Alternate History of the Ottoman Empire
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Alternate History of the Ottoman Empire from 1839-2020.
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The law of the Universe:Empires don’t last foreve-
Ottoman Empire: *UNO* *REVERSE* *CARD*
Byzantine: Hello there
Ottoman Empire is actually Turkey just republicanised
Japan is still empire
@@LastOsmane
yes, ottoman empire is only sleeping
for It's long bad history since 1683
republic of turkey never killed
ottoman empire but hide them
until It's time
but it is possible to come back and
when it does, all turks and even all
Muslims will feel just like a rockstar
@Random_historian Indonesia still as an empire, the Java is superior in cabinet
This is actually a very good alternate history. its very realistic compared to the others ive seen. this should be a hoi4 mod lol
Yes it is. And it is more realistic too. If they won the war of 1877-1878 and if the young turk revolution was stopped and if Sultan Abdulhamid wasn't dethroned in 1909 this could have come true
@@paki_baloch and most importantly if ottoman never dragged into ww1
@@mazante1187 no if these happened even if they were dragged into WW1 they would have survived
@@paki_baloch well either way central power would lose tho
@@mazante1187 reason
One of the better alternate history videos i've watched so far. Great job buddy!
I wish that actually happened sometimes, great job!
Thank you for hearting me Cartographic Tales, love your work!
Somewhere in a parallel Universe lol
This is a Real happy ending for the ottoman empire
Also, the Islamic world hadn't had a united Spiritual & Political leader since the Ottomans fell. So, good for them.
@@jefferyhanderson7849 thats true
Jeffery Handerson if only it was true
@@HalalHistory no
Not a happy ending for the armenians
Probably the best alternative history I've seen in *years*
The Sultan portraits look like playing a Paradox game in which the portraits are either badly drawn or are from the wrong period.
this can be true if Ottomans expand into asia like persia to India it will be more profitabel than attacking christian state or poor european land.
Great content and realistic too , make more long live the ottomans
Thank you very much. If you have any countries in mind you want to see next, please tell me!
(FYI, I also did a video on the Arabian Peninsula)
@@CartographicTales cool ill check it out and give feedback
It would be true if Ottomans really used their heads.
Ottomans always used their heads, but their sultans was kind of... led them to chaos
The young Turks brought the downfall of the Ottoman Empire as abdulhamid was overthrown but this is one possibility of what could’ve happened if abdulhamid stayed on power
abdulhamid 2 used his head a lot
@@HalalHistory I hope that's a joke
@@TatarProductions abdulhamid was indeed a political genius despite losing land in his early years of power
You have a good understanding of historical trajectory. Please please do one for the Mughal empire.
I will think about it, certainly interesting and important
Ahh yes peace in the Middle East.
This is a blessed alternate history I wish we lived in
When you play vic2 as ottomans
I think the country name would be changed to something like Kingdom of Turkey after the First World War, and Arab regions would gain independence much earlier, but that's a great alternate history
I Knew It That Would Be Differences Of Alternate History Great Job As Always 😁👍
In this timeline ,seems like ottoman royal family become 3rd longest lasting dynasty that survive into present day after Japan and Tonga
Long story short :
Turkey still have balkans and USA dont have oils
No the us can produce oil on its own dude
@@munatalke729 you don't produce oil you find it. Sure you refine it to use it but it comes from the ground
Turkey would get rich from selling oil to Europe
I wish they won in 1878 in real life
Lovely, I wish I could read this as a timeline... Turkey - the blessed ending.
It was awesome and well explicated 👍👍
The Exalted Caliphate of the Ottomans
To be honest the ottomans were turning things around by 1800, but if it werent for egypts civil war the ottomans wouldve turned everything around. Also some bad financial disicions by some sultans also contributed to the downfall of the empire. Abdulhamid tried to restore the ottomans again but he was deposed, he did make really good progress. Also the young also made decent progress they were transforming the empire. A lot of mustafa kemal's reforms were based of off what the yound turks wanted to do. So if the ottomans didnt join ww1 it is very well certain they would have made it to this day.
this was the best alternative video I've watched, it's really amazing, I'll subscribe to you😊
Thank you very much!
I think you are the one with the ability to pull this off... Could you do your own interpretation of "The Peshawar Lancers"?
It's a novel whose point of divergence compared to our world occurs in 1878, when a meteor shower falls in the majority of the northern hemisphere, forcing the powers of the world to relocate to the south (the british go to India, South africa and Australia, the French to Algeria and Russia to Central Asia)
Thank you. I will take a look at the novel, sounds really interesting.
Best alternate history video ever
Since there are infinite amount of alternate universes, this actually happened somewhere out there.
if the ottomans learned from their father and not until they stay on an island until their father died and have no military experience
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ah yes a mapping channel that isn't called "insert country name ball maping"
yeh
The ottomans would control most of the worlds oil which would immediately make everyone scared of doing anything against them because their oil could be cut off lol. The ottomans would most definitely have nukes and a top 3 military.
So Ottomanistan IS a caliphate! Knew it!
The Ottoman Empire was founded in 1299 c.e by osman bey but the sultans did start calling themselves the caliph until the 9th ottoman sultan defeated the mamluks and conquered the the holy cities of Mecca and Medina and Jerusalem and Egypt that is when the Ottoman Empire became the ottoman caliphate but a lot of the sultans used caliph as a title until sultan Mahmoud II and the other sultans after him officially claiming themselves as the caliph of Islam just letting you I hope I gave you some new knowledge have an amazing awesome day peace.
Lol ottomanistan XD
Bosnia was supposed to be independent in 1830s there was great Bosnian uprising back then after Sultan Mahmud II implement new reforms which caused Bosniak nationalism
That uprising was from 1831-1833. It didn't result in independence but in the separation of the Bosnia and Herzegovina eyalets. Provinces are not shown in the map.
@@CartographicTales Husein wanted to make Bosnia independent back then but Herzegovnians allied with Turks and Husein didn't make it but at least he fought with honor
Nice I m from Turkey
Ngl this country ball at the beginning is so adorable
2016 be like
Imma surprise everyone for a dramatic ending
Good ending of my country
No Israel 😃
Big W
How did you make the maps for this video? They look awesome!
Mecidiye marsi is the name of the song
This is by far your best video.
This is cool, but I kinda doubt that 19th century Greek nationalism would be pacified so easily.
Happy new year!
Where is Saddam Hussein in this timeline?
@@jamesNov Didn't actually think about him or his role in this Alternate History to be honest
@@CartographicTales oh ok well can you make an alternate history of europe from 1800-2020?
@@jamesNov I prefer to do Alternate Histories of specific countries and not of continents. But if you have something special in your mind, I'd love to hear :)
@@CartographicTales do an alternate history of australia 1864-2020
chad got some good looking hair
Damn it to Imperialism. Long live free Turkiye.
Nice!
Rakyat sumatra selalu mengenangmu
Could you make an alternate history for the soviet union?
Currently working on something else, but I will surely think about it. Thank you for the idea!
@Le Mapper Glad you’re considering it
that Was'nt mehmed V that photo is his brother mehmed VI Vahideddin
In this alternate story our Mehmed V never takes the throne because Abdul Hamid designates Mehmed Vahideddin as his successor. Therefore Vahideddin is Mehmed V instead of VI
@@CartographicTales oh ok
hey why don't you upload content anymore?
@@muhammadnajib8438 It‘s a stressful time right now but I will be back!
Awesome!
I like this scenario
Could you make more of this? I will watch all of it again and again to make the watchtime and make more people can ser uour video
Im finnaly happy there are mapper actually make ottoman did not implode at the last second. I mean the ottoman is survive for 600 years!!!!! Can you finish the alternate history???
Glory to the Ottoman Empire
expected a colonial ottoman empire
I’m gonna look at the comments bid me farewell
I love this
Alternate history of Greece please!!!!!
9:45❤
Can your next alternate history video be on sultan suliman of the Ottoman Empire except in the alternate history the sultan suliman the magnificent of the Ottoman Empire lives until the age of 100 and dies in 1595 and he wins every battle against the europeans meaning he conquers all of Hungary ,Austria ,Germany, France ,Spain and Portugal ,and Poland,Lithuania and Ukraine and western parts of Russia and England and Ireland and Italy basically all of eastern and Western Europe and northern and Southern Europe would be under his control and no vassals just full under ottoman control and the ottomans would’nt colonies but because they conquered all of Europe the colonial monarchs would live in the new world the ottomans would give them recourses but they have to take care of the natives and allow religious tolerance and as for the ottomans they would rule over all of contential Europe with religious tolerance with an open mind it is only when mehmed the forth dies then the ottomans start losing all of their European and would only have Greece and Constantinople and edirne under their control until napoleon comes in conquers all of Europe and after his fall the ottomans start reclaiming some land and they discover oil in the Middle East is the entire Arabian peninsula is under their control and the modernize the Arabian peninsula but then lose everything after world war 1 and I just want to say this idea is just for an alternate history video and is not meant to be anything political and is just for fun I hope you like this idea and I hope you do it have an amazing awesome op great day peace.
Thank you very much for your detailed text. But this Ottoman Empire would be extremely overpowered and I always try to keep at least a minimum of realistic ideas and also don't want to either shorten or lenghten anyone's life. The Ottoman era of conquest could however probably be extended if we let Suleiman's oldest son Mustafa get this throne.
Aside from all of that, I prefer not do to an AH on the Ottomans in the immediate future and instead focus on other countries. Maybe you have a different idea?
Le Mapper okay you still did an amazing awesome job on the video I am just suggesting this because no other alternate history youtuber has ever done this video I am just asking whenever you can do this alternate history on sultan suliman and the sultans after him if you don’t it’s Okay I won’t be mad I am still grateful for the amount of work you put into these videos also thanks for replying to my comment have an amazing awesome op great day peace.
Le Mapper also I agree with you on the part where the ottoman conquest continue with Mustafa getting the throne you can do that as well Peace.
Great but instead of Libya annexation of Chad. The Somalis should have formed greater Somalia 🇸🇴.
Ah a lots of republican war hero as a vezir is very realistic
This is Dream 😂😂😂😂
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE
So in this timeline there was no massacre of the Pontic Greeks and the Armenians?
Yes
Just out of curiosity are you gonna do more alternative history ????
Yes, I will :) But I don't know yet which country I should do next.
What'd you like to see?
@@CartographicTales what about africa specifically central and north africa
Great idea! I think I could work with Libya or DR Congo. Eastern Africa also seems interesting.
Which countries would you like to see? Or an Alternate History of the entire regions you mentioned?
@@CartographicTales hmmm maybe a libyan empire or other nearby countries i mean there really wasnt any big african empire maybe a 'mongol' version of africa
@@CartographicTales libya its better
Good videos
This is awesome ✌🏼 but we're are the German colonies during WW2? I mean Germany won WW1 so it still has colonies like Cameroon and Tanzania and maybe even a lot more now. 🤔
Nice
That was realistic
hey did you know that the Omani empire was in control of Somalia and the shores of eastern Africa XD there were an allies to the ottomans before Britain ceased there control on Africa which ended the empire so it was the right move to control the oman because of their strategic location and their knowledge with ships and the sea
Hi! I knew that they controlled the shores of eastern Africa, but I did not know that they were allied to the Ottomans which is why I made them conquer Somalia.
Thank you for the information!
Either way an act of Union could of occurred or tensions rose so your scenario is still plausible
thats the most non objective thing i ve ever seen
yeah u are right
thx
ur welcome
u are an freak
ı know
if this happened the ottomans would be like the british empire lol
Can you make one about Greece and Germany?
Hi! I already did one about Germany and currently working on another video. Which timespan would you find most interesting for an alternate history of Greece?
@@CartographicTales Kapodistria and Harilao trikoupi
I like it.. the alternate one
10:37 syams land
Kurdistan lol, I’m pretty sure the Ottomans hate them
The Kurds were ottoman people with the same religion as the Turks and Arabs there would be no reason to hate them
i guess in this timeline kurdistan in the ottoman empire would be comparable to scotland in the uk
Which is the point of divergence?
Sorry, what do you mean?
The point of divergence is some event in history that occurs differently
Oh ok, thank you for the information.
In this video there are many differences compared to our timeline: the Ottomans start reforms earlier, try not to get into so much debt, the war with Russia in 1876 isn't lost by the Ottomans, Abdulhamid II isn't toppled in 1908, Ottomans don't involve in WW1, some parts of the Balkans stay Ottoman and of course the Ottoman Empire exists till today
I Wonder Why The Ottoman don't occupied Iran like Seljuk
The Ottomans had many wars with Iran over centuries, but for most of the time they didn't manage to expand much into the Iranian heartland. It was and is a difficult region and terrain to successfully occupy.
@@isyraf9989 Yeah but I was talking about the possibility of Ottoman long-term occupation
What I don't understand is how this alternative timeline could include Abdul Hamid, Abdulazziz, and others he in this alternative timeline, when they are descendants from Selim, but Selim's line didn't take the throne, so how could they exist if Mustafa's line was the precedent line.
No, in this timeline there are no changes prior to 1839. My other video where Mustafa takes the throne is not related to this one.
So like you said in your video, and I had asked almost the same question. What if the Ottoman Empire didn't side with the Germans during World War 1? Is it possible they could of survived because maybe the Turks weren't disillusioned with them. Maybe the Young Turk rebellion wasn't successful. And the Ottoman's were able to continue, survive and adapt. Thank you for answering my question about that.
@@lindydaddario8844 Interesting question. I believe the Young Turk forces could have still taken power because of the general liberal sentiment of the time and rising nationalism made it difficult for the Ottomans to continue ruling Arab regions. That means the empire in its known form couldn't survive any longer with or without WW1. If any steps to adapt or reinvent Ottoman identity could have been successful is of course up to speculation.
@@CartographicTales Could you also do the time line if Selim III reform went well and able to disband the Janissaries.
So even in your alternative timeline the young Turks could of still risen against the Ottomans. But if the timeline was the same before 1839, that would of meant that Selim 2 would of inherited the throne after Suleiman in 1566. It was his inconsistency and weak character for not making sure the government officials made bad decisions. He was unfortunately not a good Sultan, and his inactions were passed on to his son's. Which brought the eventual downfall of the Ottomans in real history.
Do Ukraine pls!
i need germany
Alternate history of Germany? Already did that
Like.
:D
See so keeping itself the Real Arabian Empire, speaker full of the Arabic and Turkish, and Berberian and Egyptian Languages.
What?
🇹🇷
NOOOOOOOO CHAADDD
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In my opinion this alternate history could never had happened , you started with the death of mohamed ali pacha of egypt of “unknown reasons” cuz you know that he & his Egyptian army had crushed the ottomans several times till the gates of Istanbul , & even if he had died as you claim it will be even better because ottomans has just nominal supermacy for egypt at this time , another thing , how u can imagine that the arabs of syria , iraq ,
arabian peninsula will just accept to be ruled by the turks for all this time ?? Nah you would see the arabian revolution again & again backed by egypt & whole of the middle east , & i assure you the arabs would have marched over your caliphate skull as ibrahim pacha would have done before the europeans saved your sultan’s ass
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wow wow calm dawn just in your dream Morocco was not an Ottoman colony Because you lost with us in a battle with the Saadians Because of the time that In your attempt to occupy it Review your history or ask your grandparents this is morocco bro morocco
First of all this is an *alternate* history and doesn't have to do anything with the actual history.
Second of all this video doesn't even show Morocco as an Ottoman colony. Where did you get that?
Third of all why do you talk about "you" and "us" and "your grandparents"? I am not Turkish.
It litteraly says “Alternate History”
sorry to say but this is too unrealistic
Wtf this dident even happend morocco in saidi's days ended ottamans of algeria wth and mohamed v wsent even ther yet em i understanding somthing wrong or what
It's *alternate* history which means as you said, it didn't actually happen
@@CartographicTales well sorry cuz i was confuisd like how did mohamad v was in the days of ottamans and how did they servive cuz u know they wer in 500