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08:10 - From a report of one of the NTSB investigators that was interviewed in the documentary Mayday about Cactus 1549 he said that the APU saved the plane because it maintained the computer of the A320 still working and making corrections of the pitch and the trim automatically to avoid the stall in since the lost of both engines!
I just stumbled upon your channel and love it, you definitely got a new subscriber! I fly a small Piper (it’s a four seater) and I love my little plane. I have a few thoughts and questions I just wanted to mention to you: 1 - You mentioned dodging the birds in an F. Obviously, that’s not too hard in one of them, but can a A360 even move that quickly? In the movie it seems to be less than 10 seconds from when he sees the birds to the impact. Can an A360 even fly with that kind of speed and agility at 4,500 feet? I’ve never flown one but I just can’t see it having the ability to accelerate up that quickly in that scenario. I’d love to know your thoughts. 2 - When he says “We’re going into the Hudson”, is it just me or did the next shot show the Hudson looking like a very long runway? 3 - I was once flying from Farmindale, NY out to Montauk and had a moment where I tapped my foot on the floor and realized that the metal I had just tapped was the only thing stopping me from falling over a mile into the Atlantic Ocean. Have you ever had a moment where you suddenly realize how crazy the concept of a plane is? Like how we can literally fly in a piece of steel? 4 - And finally, one of the buildings that you see as they land is where I live. He landed the plane pretty much outside my window. As a New Yorker, I lived thru the worst day we ever had on 9/11, but got to see one of the best days when that plane glided across the Hudson and all 155 souls survived. I’m curious about how many pilots you think could have done what he did? I mean, not only the presence of mind to land in the Hudson, but landing it perfectly so that it just glided over the water instead of crashing into it. You have far more experience than I do and know far more pilots, so I’d love to know what percentage could have done that? I think the number is very low, but I just don’t know exactly how low. Again, love the channel and look forward to watching more. I truly hope to hear from you as I’d love to hear your insights. Anyone that has flown F’s has my respect and admiration, so your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. All the Best!!
My favorite line in the movie came from the Co Pilot when he was asked if would have done any thing differently. His reply was "I would have done it in July."
zillions of companies approaches Sully afterwards, asking him to do ads, give endorsements, etc....the ONLY ad he did, was one asking for people to support a children's hospital. He of course took NO money for that. The man is class.
My FAVORITE scene for this guy: ATC #1 Everyone’s going nuts up top. Supe sent me looking for you. PATRICK I guess you didn’t hear. Lost Cactus 1549. In the Hudson. ATC #1 I guess you didn’t hear. He landed the sonofabitch. PATRICK What? ATC #1 Everyone just got pulled off. It’s a miracle. *Patrick grabs his friend in an embrace of disbelief* PATRICK I thought I lost them all. *Man, still being hugged, scans the barren room then they run out* ATC #1 They have got to get a TV in here!
Two comments: 1) FO was NOT distracted when Sully told him to lower flaps. He was busy running through situational checklist, as he is supposed to be. That is NOT a mark against the FO. He was spot on his duty. 2) Sully asking the FO for any ideas right before impact is not the sign of some macho fighter jock getting his ego on, it is a sign of a great crew chief displaying proper cockpit resource management by involving everyone present at the emergency. Way too many crashes have been caused by junior officers being unable/unwilling to voice an opinion that may have helped a situation(e. g. 2 B747s crash at Tenerife)
I was in this movie as one of the passengers. They matched all the real passengers with actors that looked similar to who was on the plane. It was filmed at universal studio lot in a pool with a giant blue screen and the plane was on a gimble that was under the water so it sink and be above water as well. Only the outside scenes was filmed in NY and the close up of us on the wing was done in studio. You can see me on the trailer when the flight attendant was walking the middle of the isle im on the left.
What's your thought on the fact that you were making a movie of something which really happened? Something someone actually had to live through, not knowing if they would live or die?
I recommend listening to the real ATC audio, so much respect for the ATC. He did everything he could to get Sully a place he could land, and called in the cavalry once he realized he was going into the water. Incredibly intense, and it really messed the poor guy up.
You can count on one finger the number of large commercial airline ditchings in water, where a lot of people didn’t die. Sully was the right guy, with the right skill set, and the right mind set to make what really is pretty much impossible happen. He truly epitomizes the “right stuff” and exemplifies what it is to be a great man on this sorry ass round piece of dirt.
I love that they took the time to show Sully’s reaction to being told everyone got off safely. In the words of the real Sully, it was like the weight of the world left his shoulders. You know that he would have taken it as a personal failure if even one had died.
Howdy from someone that flew something with more engines than the Thunderbirds do at an airshow... The best ATC "Bad-ish Day" interaction I ever had was flying out of Minot AFB about two decades ago. We had a split flaps condition, and asked for room straight ahead to work the issue. Their response? "You are cleared to wander aimlessly within the confines of North Dakota." If memory serves, it took her about 10-15 seconds to do make it happen. She even gave the Canadians a heads up that we might need some of their airspace if things got worse. Much love to that Controller, where ever she is now.
@@jdgindustries2734 Flaps are rearward wing extensions that are powered into a downward angle, increasing the camber and lift of the wing, useful to be able to fly approaches at the slower speed it allows. Split flaps are an asymmetry where the 2 wing flaps do not extend together. If unresolved, it can be a bummer...you have to fly at a higher approach speed, and you have a strong rolling moment you have to counteract with the yoke. Some flaps are on the front of the wing, like Krueger flaps, but that's another story.
@@studuerson2548 and here I thought handling 20,000ton, 15,000ft long trains was complicated. At least I only have to deal with 2¼ dimensions, not the full 3D world.
Because Sully didnt land the plane, his mustache did. Pilot and co pilot both having them, they were in no danger. The reason the plane was struck by birds, they wanted to ride with the bad asses with staches.
Actually no. One of the points the board made was that the simulation said that he could have made it back to the runway at Teterboro or JFK. He made the counter arguement saying that the pilots knew it was gonna happen
Yeah they knew they were off to teeterborough, so they worked out what to do in advance. He had to work out what to do on the fly. He was a glider pilot as well so he had extra skills to draw from.
An Australian plane had 3 pilots on board, the computer went nuts and all 3 had to work hard, to stop the computer turning everything off, they got hundreds of messages very quickly so one guy concentrated on making sense of all that. No computer is infallible, with a combo of knowledgable humans and a computer, there may be less disasters. So after the Hudson, they had a new scenario to train for, simply because it did happen. No matter how unthinkable before.
my cousin was a reporter at the daily news back then and she was nearby when this happened and got sent over to cover it. she said it was one of the most memorable stories she's ever covered as a reporter.
I saw Sully do an interview somewhere. The host asked him how he felt he did. He said that the standasd he was taught was that any landing without property damage was satisfactory, and that, by that standard, he failed. Disaster happened, he got down without fatalities, but he wrecked the airplane, so it wadn't good enough.. That's an attitude.
As a professional commercial driving instructor I teach that when things go wrong to avoid the cascade effect and remain calm. Sully and Skiies both were as relaxed as if this was almost a normal 'milk run'. When you panic that when everything hits the fan.
I don't exactly know what it is about this scene, but when the cabin crew start all saying "Brace brace brace" in unison, it is kind of emotional. I hear this is exactly how it happened, and it just amazes me how professional they all were, just click into this mode. It is really impressive.
I thought the same. It's a bit startling at first and I even wondered, "Do they really do that?" but not only is it too weird NOT to be true, so to speak, but it makes sense that in a crisis the approach to handling a huge group of people, who can't even get their little fans aimed right or keep that seatback in the full upright position, is to drop into a no-nonsense, bare bones, almost military chant of what they need to do NOW. I assume they run through these situations until it becomes almost instinct when they train for the job. Their work seems like it's just handing out pretzels and ginger ale but there's a reason it's a felony to screw around with them in the air. They're the crew working with the passengers. Full respect.
Because it's a terrifying, make your peace with God, "I'm going to die" moment when you hear it. To me, it's the equivalent of hearing a tornado on the ground without hearing a siren. Anyways, you sympathized with it ❤ You've got a good heart.
Another similar event was in 1983 when an Air Canada Boeing 767 ran out of fuel and was glided to a safe landing at a former air field. The pilot was an experienced glider pilot. See the Gimli Glider.
They made a movie about it. If memory serves, there was an aircraft engineer on the plane who helped them eek out every last ounce of fuel efficiency on that plane. I believe they have used that exact scenario in training and nobody was able to land it.
Gimli Glider isn't nearly as amazing as this. The Air Canada was at cruising altitude, so he had plenty of time to look for safe landing spot, and he actually had a runway-ish to land on. Sully had neither. No altitude, no time, no solid ground.
@@rustygear447 That can be looked at from the other direction, too. The only reason Air Canada knew about Gimli is because the captain had been stationed there years before it was decommissioned. And his alternatives were much more grim than Sully faced, if he didn't make the runway. Glide slope precision has to be on the high side (4-6 degrees), and right on, or you're in the rocks. Sully's lack of time and options still gave him one huge flat surface to aim for. Both of them did great.
Huge respect to Sully, seriously. Sure we can nitpick when we have the luxury of unlimited time and all the information, but ultimately he gave us a masterclass in decision-making under extreme pressure. Any time stuff goes significantly wrong, I subscribe very much to this metric: "Any landing you walk away from is a good landing, and if you can use the plane again then it's a great landing". That makes this a good landing, which is incredible under the circumstances. And the other way to look at it: everyone on board was dead-with-extra-steps from the moment the birds killed both engines. Every single survivor was a victory over death - from where I sit, 100% survival was a flawless victory. Can't remember the details offhand, but I'm very much thinking of that one airliner crash where everyone should have died but actually a couple hundred survived (and only a few dozen died).
Until you've done even a training course, the brain just can't wrap around how much there is to remember to do it right. I didn't even realize it myself until my course today. Mad respect!
@@doctorplagus7138 absolutely. I had to stop after a few lessons myself, but for sure there's a lot going on even before anything goes wrong. In an emergency there's far more to think about, and even then it's unusual to have so little time. Dual engine failure during climb-out is pretty much the worst case scenario.
I believe you may bee thinking of Flight 232, crashing in Sioux City Iowa. Watching the crash you would have expected no one survived. Occupants 296 Passengers 285 Crew 11 Fatalities 112[a] (111 initially) Injuries 171 (172 initially) Survivors 184 (185 initially)
One of the biggest problems is that they hit a flock of geese weighing 7-15lbs each where even the most modern turbofan engine will struggle to shake off the impact. Hitting a flock of sparrows or pigeons at less than a half a pound those engines would just burp and be like “anyone up for fried pigeon?”
When I heard about the "Miracle" at the time it happened, they said that Sully had graduated from the Air Force Academy in 1973. Right then I knew he was in my brother's class. My brother brought over the yearbook saying he didn't recognize him from the pictures on TV. Sully had a different major than my brother so they were in different squadrons, but he recognized his yearbook photo. There're having a 50 year reunion in Colorado Springs this year, so I'm sure Sully ll be the toast of his class.
I had the same reaction...I'd had no idea that Sully was in my class, until the wife of another classmate told me. Looking in the yearbook was, "Yeah, now THAT guy, I remember!" Each class starts with about 1400, and after attrition, graduates 700-800, so we knew most of our classmates by sight, but the squadron structure & 2 dorms kept some separations between us. I might know your brother. I'll try to check this post later to see if you've left his last name (and possibly, squadron), or you could mention my name to him.
@@katheryns1219 I don't immediately recall the name, but as you pointed out, it's coming up on half a century. I was 11th sq (Vandenberg Hall), chem major. Thanks, and hope he's doing well.
Sully did great. The crew of the Gimli Glider did great. But the be-all is still Al Haynes, captain on the DC-10 that crashed in Sioux City after total hydraulic failure. The MD-11 had the same hydraulic system with a reservoir redundancy thrown in that was pure eyewash for the fix. All of us in the plane would get the Haynes scenario in sim, and after the 2 of us got it as far as the runway, I bounced it 50ft in the air when I wiped the power (the same, and only mistake Haynes made) the instructor froze the sim and slid forward. I thought I was toast, but the instructor put a hand on each of our shoulders, and said, "Congratulations. You're the first crew in 6 months to even make the runway." They were basically throwing the Kobyashi Maru at us, and it took the full strength of both of us to manipulate the controls. We were both drenched in sweat. No, Al Haynes is THE man.
My husband flew the F-4, F-16 for, 22 years, and another 27 with a major airline. He's answers countless questions over the years and knew exactly what was going on in this scenario.
Just watching the "miracle on the Hudson" gives me so many chills; because as an aviation enthusiast myself, that silky smooth landing he made turned what could have been a disaster into an amazing show of skill, courage, and level thinking.
All stars aligned. The copilot having just had a training course on that airplane and knew exactly what page to turn to in that kind of an emergency. And, Sully putting that butt down for a better land. And, absolutely succinct communication.
Hudson off Manhattan is probably the absolute best case for a water landing. So much boat traffic that rescue is at hand right away, the ferry crews are trained in water rescue as well.
They told him not to simulate landing on a river, because it wasn't necessary to his flight course. He did it anyway, and many people are happy he did.
As a USAF vet, Sully made me very proud! I was in MAC at Travis...I served when the F 16 was new...I've seen a few of you guys when they stopped by...Respect! Say your heart wasn't racing every time you see him get her down...
No lie, I watched this live from Chelsea Piers. Most goddamn incredible thing I've ever seen. By the way 0 loss of life AND, the Hudson River moves at 4-8 knots so, yeah, miraculous all the way around.
Just imagine..staring Death in the face yet still having to keep your eyes on where you are surly going to die and having to make the decision’s that might save your life. I also believe Sully was a glider pilot and I am sure that helped him glide this plane successfully onto the water. Truly a miracle. Thanks for his Neo.
I recall reading that, pre-Hudson, Sully actually ran a side-business where he lectured corporations and other groups about crisis management. Proof of concept over the Hudson, I'd say.
I think some pilots also think about the souls on board. The way they land or even crash determines not just their own fates but others'. I can imagine that sense of purpose can help drive through fear.
I actually just completed my open water survival course (learned how to survive a ditch) just a few hours ago. I'm aircrew (not pilot) on a SAR team. I had to sit in PIC position just so I could understand what was going on. In scanner position, perfect procedural memory, every last one of us (including my pilots) the second we sat left seat, needed a coach at some point. The thousand of things that goes through the brain to make sure your crew survives is mind blowing. Having that right seat filled and with a good communicator is a life saver. I'm so glad the question, "any ideas" was asked. There's so much to remember in a little Skyhawk, I couldn't imagine what the large airliner pilots have to remember.
I suspect the following... Ask a crowd if they know who Sully Sullenberger is, and - if they are of an appropriate age - most will have an answer for you. Ask a crowd if they know who Jeff Skiles is, you'll get crickets.
Hearing the cabin crew in the background chanting 'brace brace brace head down stay down' is just chilling. They're doing their job too, and you can hear it. Focussing on Sully & Skiles, sure, but Eastwood didn't forget about those in the back.
Dear Tom Hanks, I admire your acting, but won't get on an aircraft if you'll be riding with me. After Apollo 13, Castaway & Sully, I think it's safe to say that any craft you're on is snakebit.
I remember exactly where I was when this happened. I had just started working for Boeing/BAE Systems Irving TX facility building commercial avionics for the Beoing 777 Dreamliner. I never saw an entire manufacturing plant take an unauthorized break. I looked up from my work and was alone. I walked over to discover every single person from engineers to supervisors and hourlies in the break room all watch this happen. I was very young then. I always understood and honored the work we did as aircraft builders. But when I witnessed this…. This was changed my dedication to my work that much more. 🙏
I spent 16 years as a Flight Attendant, so I watched movie with not just a critical eye, but as person with a lot of experience. We did things a little differently than US Air. I also watched the actual NTSB hearing and know that the NTSB were not the bad guys portrayed. The movie did change many facts, for Hollywood's sake.
@Phillip Banes So they did allow for the time he took to sort what was wrong ? That loss of time that made it impossible to reach a runway? What was it that they added to the movie?
@@guyfanno1 as I remembered, it was standard procedure for NTSB to conduct investigation to wtf happened before they cleared the pilot, there's no buzz no drama when NTSB was done Sully got cleared. but in the movie, they made it looks like that heads are going to roll to matter what, and NTSB wants Sully's head.
Thank you for your service. 26 years ATC. Thanks for the shout out. You should include Jeffrey Skiles name as FO, he did great as well. The movie was pretty good and possibly the most accurate part was the way the FAA was portrayed as being a dishonest, disingenuous organization when it comes to investigations and safety. Fabricating data to get the preferred result is seemingly their only job requirement in my opinion.
One of the things discovered is that the procedure for ditching assumed an altitude (i.e. time) to run the check list. The 'ditch switch' is so far down the list that they would not have reached the step to activate the switch in the flight time they actually had. Starting the APU was also far down the list. Sully actually went against the manual by starting it that early, which ultimately could be argued saved everyone.
Thank you for providing an accurate explanation not biased news media garbage. I know Sully and Jeff, retired from AWA, US AIRWAYS, AA. with 32 yrs. 22 yrs on A320 family. Many new to type pilots are well trained, but lack over vision of a/c capability. Military pilots such as Sully and many others I have worked with seem to bring that different mind set from experience and time in the seat. Always enjoyed pilots that would take the time to ask maintenance personnel questions about systems and often work arounds when systems act up. If I had an engine opened always would explain what they were seeing and mechanically how they operated. Just one more thing for their brain to know. Most pilots I have worked with are really nice comfortable people to be around. Again thank you. God Bless
Re: Ditch switch. I heard in another video that the switch was not flipped during the emergency landing in the Hudson. Activating the switch was near the end of the emergency ditching checklist. The crew did not have time to get that far in the checklist with the available time.
I cry every time I watch this... I remember this day. I was in high school... great respect for Sully he's definitely a hero 👏 🙌INCREDIBLE LANDING EVERYONE SURVIVED SULLY AND CREW HEROS!!!❤❤😮😢😢❤❤❤
What I love most about Sully wasn't just his piloting, but how he handled everything after the landing. He reminded of the good officers I served with. He checked and worried more that all the people he was responsible for made it. This is not to say pure civilian pilots wouldn't do, but you can see in him his is military training too and just him as a good man. He wanted to make sure those under his command/responsible for are safe.
A friend of mine who is a pilot (with international routes) said that part of the problem was that an Airbus has a less robust engine than a Boeing aircraft. The Airbus engines lost the internal compressors (which is a death-sentence for that engine ever producing thrust) whereas Boeing engines are tested by shooting frozen turkeys into a running engine and they keep on running. Also, Sully turned on the APU very early in the process, which meant his computers stayed active. He used the autopilot to maintain trim.
Yea, I knew a guy in the army that worked at Boeing as a mechanic for the engines and when people were saying the birds killed them he was skeptical because he watched Boeing throw frozen turkeys through them.
Rubbish...most aircraft makers use supplied engines from say GE or Rolls Royce for example and an airframe maybe able to be fitted different engine makes, plus an airline may ask for a specific brand of engine for their airframe as it suits their engineering, parts and service requirements.
I used to work at an airforce base in Canada that was home to stunt pilots called The SnowBirds as well as the military jets, I was a wildlife manager for them I would take population estimates on the birds in the area and figure out where they would congregate so pilots didnt hit them while taking off
You should do a video on just the voice data recorder. The way he says "Cactus 1549" so calmly that air traffic doesn't catch the gravity of the situation is on a whole other level few will ever be at.
Aviate - Navigate - Communicate Sully's time as an F-4 pilot, as well as his many hours in a bus helped him tremendously. The ATC who was on duty that day often gets left out of the conversation. Obviously, his work wasn't nearly as hard as Sully's, but it was very solid. That's a damn stressful job. My wife was a 13B out of Oklahoma. Spent 10 years on that hooptie, and then spent 5 years in GCI control over at the NTTR. .....no thanks lol
You missed the biggest thing... he had everyone get to land alive. Also, hats off to all the boats who immediately came to the rescue of everyone on the plane and made sure everyone was safe.
I hope you never get tired hearing "Thank You for your service! Max". I was a missile, bomb, and ammo loader for F=4's in 1977 and for 5 more years with F-15's. We all trusted each other to do our jobs, and we did.
I always imagine this landing being similar to the angle that the apollo 13 needed to come in at In order to not burn up it was something like 33 degrees and you'll skip off the atmosphere in the space and 35 r 36 Degrees and you'll dive and burn up... But if you hit it at the precise angle everything will be fine and he did it... Man I love Sully!!!
Although A320 has a ditching switch it was not activated by Sully. It was the last step in a very long checklist they did have time to complete . Besides, they had a huge hole from where the water was gushing in
@@MaxAfterburnerusa I wonder what an airliner would look like in"" The Walking Dead & The Last Of Us "" worlds say 10 years later.... What would be made to fly eg non-standard engines like 2 sets of Raptor engines grafted to the engine mounts of ? Different air craft grafted together. eg 2 tail sections, bi-plane wing set ups etc.... 110% someone would be trying out there....
Wasn’t there but heard he told the flight attendants to prepare for energy landing vs ditching. Also heard he never pushed the ditching switch. Mistakes Yes, but can’t fault the crew with everything they had to do
@@timdennis3035 You could call starting the APU before doing anything else a mistake because it wasn't the first item on the checklist, but it might have been the difference between everyone dying and what actually happened. So, no mistakes were made in that cockpit.
@@blindleader42 starting the APU when you have have lost an engine and the other is degraded is common sense, so is pushing the ditching switch before going in the water and no checklist is needed to do that. For that matter we can say putting the landing gear down before landing is also common sense, so yes, it was a mistake or an oversight if you prefer, but as I said previously I see no fault given the totality of the situation.
It isn’t a movie but have you heard about the Gimli Glider? The Air Canada pilot landed his plane after he ran out of fuel due to a miss fill of the fuel tanks.
And if the aircraft had no APU, they have the RAM ram Air turbine which drop a tubine under the fuselage fwd of the Main Landing gear to give basic functions to the cockpit and controls. I gave 14 years myself on Hangar maintenance in Shannon working on Airbus A321,20,19 and Boeing 787 dreamliner, 787 and 757. Worked predominantly on Engines wings and tail. Sully did a great job of getting tail down first as Engines are dropping a couple of feet below the fuselage so them hitting water first could have broken up the aircraft.
The ditching switch was far down in the checklists they never had time to get to. The glide angle, being so slow and low, made the impact a bit more hard than would have been ideal if they had more speed, so it damaged the underside aft and let it flood. Ideally, the plane would float.
In the end, Sully made about as perfect a water ditch landing as was possible. I seem to recall the only thing they missed was hitting one switch which would have sealed off some vents and such to keep the plane above water longer in the event it landed intact. Focusing on actually landing intact was far more important at the time I suspect.
That's the "Ditch" button that Ryan talked about in the video, and you're right that the crew never selected it. The reason was that the Ditch button procedure was further down in the checklist, and they simply ran out of time before they got that far down the list. Another thing that I am surprised people don't bring up is that Sully is (or at least was) an avid glider/sailplane pilot! So he had the exact right set of skills to handle an engines-out situation. Just an amazing occurrence all around.
What bothers me more is that there is alsmost zero talk about that due to the apu was started it never even went out off "Normal Law" . I'm pretty sure I seen a short summary somewhere of the investigation that it was concluded that if it had been in direct law the outcome wouldn't been near as pretty.
Former Army 15 tango uh-60 crew cheif here and situational awareness is key in any emergency situation and crew management and trust in your crew mates that they are doing everything they can correctly Side. Note the F4 like the F16 pretty much did everything asked of it may not have done it well. But it did it and brought back it's crews with damage that few aircraft could take and keep flying.
I don't know why it is but that part where the Flight Attendants are going though their drill really gets to me every time. *They* have a much better idea of what is coming than most other folk and they *still* do their job even though in their minds they must be thinking "Well, this is it!". It might not be a battlefield but that is courage.
Ice in his veins. Damn. Another moment from the movie I loved was when someone told the controller who had been relieved that the plane had landed on the Hudson. "Landed?!" I can imagine the pure elation of relief in the real controller operator who had thought all these people had died. Then of course all the ferries and boats who immediately went out to help evacuate the passengers.
About 5:45. Sully didn't tell the tower that he had lost both engines because he still didn't know if he could restart at least one engine. It all happened quickly. If Sully and the FO could have gotten at least partial thrust from at least on engine, they might have been able to make Teterboro. Maybe. Probably not. But, in the moment, as you said, there was a lot going on in just minutes after takeoff. About 11:15. Sully did close the valves. Man, you need to do some more research. You might be overconfident... which is probably a good thing as a fighter pilot.
All the reports I’ve seen say they failed to press the ditch button. The plane would have floated longer. They just didn’t have time to get to the ditch check list.
Sully is a good movie. My favorite line in the movie is when Sully is a student pilot and his instructor says, "Whatever happens, always fly the plane." My flight instructor gave this lesson very graphically. He surreptitiously cut the engine and said, "Now what are you going to do?"
A couple friends that were both airline mechanics working for United Airlines. One of them told me of the flotation material inside the wings of all their aircraft. There is an expectation these airplanes my have to land in the water.
I remember watching this happen live. He didn't ditch- he landed that thing in water ! It was horrifying, inspirational, and mesmerizing all at the same time.
Hey! Another wonderful vid man, really love your breakdowns and the contrast you build with your own experience. It really helps to put things into perspective. Keep up the good work!
I remember reading in a novel an observation from one of the characters that a military pilot's panic meter works in reverse. The worse the situation, the calmer they get and revert more to their training. They focus on working the problem and fly the aircraft until the end.
I remember seeing the footage captured on security cameras and cell phones of the landing and how people watching the event were completely in awe and confusion of that plane landing on river. But to a lot of bystanders credit, they react quickly and got boats over to help the passengers to safety. I don't know if a less experience flight crew could have pulled of though.
Pretty soon, this kind of pilot ability won't exist. In too many airlines the flight crew are basically lifeguards for the autopilot. The "pilot" will just monitor the instruments, and will only touch the controls in an emergency. Even now some airlines want to have only want one pilot up front to keep costs down. Cactus 1549 had roughly a combined 40,000 flight hours of hands-on flying, which is the reason there were no fatalities.
Agreed that Sully's skill and experience were exceptional, but otherwise just no. Takeoff is all manual, climb-out is all manual, landing is usually manual, and the one-pilot idea is stupid and very much not going to happen (though you're right that some airlines want it). This incident happened during climb-out, and that's just not a phase of flight that anyone automates at all.
Can anyone clarify that the brace impact position is to ensure that everyone breaks their neck on impact before the air liners could be sued by survivors. Would be interested on relevant sources
He is the pilot that dropped napalm on the giant Tarantula in the classic that was his first movie. He was wearing a mask, but you can recognize his voice
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There's a rumor that autism is caused by becoming an air traffic controller.
08:10 - From a report of one of the NTSB investigators that was interviewed in the documentary Mayday about Cactus 1549 he said that the APU saved the plane because it maintained the computer of the A320 still working and making corrections of the pitch and the trim automatically to avoid the stall in since the lost of both engines!
I just stumbled upon your channel and love it, you definitely got a new subscriber! I fly a small Piper (it’s a four seater) and I love my little plane. I have a few thoughts and questions I just wanted to mention to you:
1 - You mentioned dodging the birds in an F. Obviously, that’s not too hard in one of them, but can a A360 even move that quickly? In the movie it seems to be less than 10 seconds from when he sees the birds to the impact. Can an A360 even fly with that kind of speed and agility at 4,500 feet? I’ve never flown one but I just can’t see it having the ability to accelerate up that quickly in that scenario. I’d love to know your thoughts.
2 - When he says “We’re going into the Hudson”, is it just me or did the next shot show the Hudson looking like a very long runway?
3 - I was once flying from Farmindale, NY out to Montauk and had a moment where I tapped my foot on the floor and realized that the metal I had just tapped was the only thing stopping me from falling over a mile into the Atlantic Ocean. Have you ever had a moment where you suddenly realize how crazy the concept of a plane is? Like how we can literally fly in a piece of steel?
4 - And finally, one of the buildings that you see as they land is where I live. He landed the plane pretty much outside my window. As a New Yorker, I lived thru the worst day we ever had on 9/11, but got to see one of the best days when that plane glided across the Hudson and all 155 souls survived. I’m curious about how many pilots you think could have done what he did? I mean, not only the presence of mind to land in the Hudson, but landing it perfectly so that it just glided over the water instead of crashing into it. You have far more experience than I do and know far more pilots, so I’d love to know what percentage could have done that? I think the number is very low, but I just don’t know exactly how low.
Again, love the channel and look forward to watching more. I truly hope to hear from you as I’d love to hear your insights. Anyone that has flown F’s has my respect and admiration, so your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
All the Best!!
My favorite line in the movie came from the Co Pilot when he was asked if would have done any thing differently. His reply was "I would have done it in July."
@@chrisplese9293 My understanding is that the real co pilot actually said that at the hearing. I am glad you enjoyed my comment.🌼🌼
Because it was freezing that January
@@andrewreynolds912 Exactly.
@@PaulaDautremont yup
There would’ve been more boats in the Hudson so much higher chance of significant loss of life on the ground and on the plane.
zillions of companies approaches Sully afterwards, asking him to do ads, give endorsements, etc....the ONLY ad he did, was one asking for people to support a children's hospital. He of course took NO money for that.
The man is class.
The actor who played the air traffic controller never gets the accolades he deserves. He really made his performance believable.
My FAVORITE scene for this guy:
ATC #1
Everyone’s going nuts up top. Supe sent me looking for you.
PATRICK
I guess you didn’t hear. Lost Cactus 1549. In the Hudson.
ATC #1
I guess you didn’t hear. He landed the sonofabitch.
PATRICK
What?
ATC #1
Everyone just got pulled off.
It’s a miracle.
*Patrick grabs his friend in an embrace of disbelief*
PATRICK
I thought I lost them all.
*Man, still being hugged, scans the barren room then they run out*
ATC #1
They have got to get a TV in here!
Two comments:
1) FO was NOT distracted when Sully told him to lower flaps. He was busy running through situational checklist, as he is supposed to be. That is NOT a mark against the FO. He was spot on his duty.
2) Sully asking the FO for any ideas right before impact is not the sign of some macho fighter jock getting his ego on, it is a sign of a great crew chief displaying proper cockpit resource management by involving everyone present at the emergency. Way too many crashes have been caused by junior officers being unable/unwilling to voice an opinion that may have helped a situation(e. g. 2 B747s crash at Tenerife)
I was in this movie as one of the passengers. They matched all the real passengers with actors that looked similar to who was on the plane. It was filmed at universal studio lot in a pool with a giant blue screen and the plane was on a gimble that was under the water so it sink and be above water as well. Only the outside scenes was filmed in NY and the close up of us on the wing was done in studio. You can see me on the trailer when the flight attendant was walking the middle of the isle im on the left.
What's your thought on the fact that you were making a movie of something which really happened? Something someone actually had to live through, not knowing if they would live or die?
Sully was a former fighter pilot. I always felt safe flying back in the day knowing most of the commercial pilots were former military.
Yes, my brother got TOP GUN at the Naval Flight School at Del Mar. And then later retired and eventually flew for Northwest airlines.
I recommend listening to the real ATC audio, so much respect for the ATC. He did everything he could to get Sully a place he could land, and called in the cavalry once he realized he was going into the water. Incredibly intense, and it really messed the poor guy up.
You can count on one finger the number of large commercial airline ditchings in water, where a lot of people didn’t die. Sully was the right guy, with the right skill set, and the right mind set to make what really is pretty much impossible happen. He truly epitomizes the “right stuff” and exemplifies what it is to be a great man on this sorry ass round piece of dirt.
I love that they took the time to show Sully’s reaction to being told everyone got off safely. In the words of the real Sully, it was like the weight of the world left his shoulders. You know that he would have taken it as a personal failure if even one had died.
Howdy from someone that flew something with more engines than the Thunderbirds do at an airshow...
The best ATC "Bad-ish Day" interaction I ever had was flying out of Minot AFB about two decades ago. We had a split flaps condition, and asked for room straight ahead to work the issue.
Their response?
"You are cleared to wander aimlessly within the confines of North Dakota."
If memory serves, it took her about 10-15 seconds to do make it happen. She even gave the Canadians a heads up that we might need some of their airspace if things got worse. Much love to that Controller, where ever she is now.
LOL. That's amazing.
If you don't mind me asking, as someone who "pilots" a train around the rail network, what is a "split flaps condition"?
@@jdgindustries2734 Flaps are rearward wing extensions that are powered into a downward angle, increasing the camber and lift of the wing, useful to be able to fly approaches at the slower speed it allows. Split flaps are an asymmetry where the 2 wing flaps do not extend together. If unresolved, it can be a bummer...you have to fly at a higher approach speed, and you have a strong rolling moment you have to counteract with the yoke.
Some flaps are on the front of the wing, like Krueger flaps, but that's another story.
That’s the buff right?
@@studuerson2548 and here I thought handling 20,000ton, 15,000ft long trains was complicated. At least I only have to deal with 2¼ dimensions, not the full 3D world.
They actually put other pilots into a flight simulator in flight school, and no other pilot could actually land the way Sulli did
Because Sully didnt land the plane, his mustache did. Pilot and co pilot both having them, they were in no danger. The reason the plane was struck by birds, they wanted to ride with the bad asses with staches.
Actually no.
One of the points the board made was that the simulation said that he could have made it back to the runway at Teterboro or JFK.
He made the counter arguement saying that the pilots knew it was gonna happen
Yeah they knew they were off to teeterborough, so they worked out what to do in advance. He had to work out what to do on the fly. He was a glider pilot as well so he had extra skills to draw from.
An Australian plane had 3 pilots on board, the computer went nuts and all 3 had to work hard, to stop the computer turning everything off, they got hundreds of messages very quickly so one guy concentrated on making sense of all that. No computer is infallible, with a combo of knowledgable humans and a computer, there may be less disasters. So after the Hudson, they had a new scenario to train for, simply because it did happen. No matter how unthinkable before.
@@kathleenmayhorne3183 Sully was Air Force Academy. Those cadets have to master gliders before they're put into powered aircraft.
my cousin was a reporter at the daily news back then and she was nearby when this happened and got sent over to cover it. she said it was one of the most memorable stories she's ever covered as a reporter.
I saw Sully do an interview somewhere. The host asked him how he felt he did. He said that the standasd he was taught was that any landing without property damage was satisfactory, and that, by that standard, he failed. Disaster happened, he got down without fatalities, but he wrecked the airplane, so it wadn't good enough.. That's an attitude.
As a professional commercial driving instructor I teach that when things go wrong to avoid the cascade effect and remain calm. Sully and Skiies both were as relaxed as if this was almost a normal 'milk run'. When you panic that when everything hits the fan.
Panic has killed more people than bullets, arrows and knives put together.
I don't exactly know what it is about this scene, but when the cabin crew start all saying "Brace brace brace" in unison, it is kind of emotional. I hear this is exactly how it happened, and it just amazes me how professional they all were, just click into this mode. It is really impressive.
I thought the same. It's a bit startling at first and I even wondered, "Do they really do that?" but not only is it too weird NOT to be true, so to speak, but it makes sense that in a crisis the approach to handling a huge group of people, who can't even get their little fans aimed right or keep that seatback in the full upright position, is to drop into a no-nonsense, bare bones, almost military chant of what they need to do NOW. I assume they run through these situations until it becomes almost instinct when they train for the job. Their work seems like it's just handing out pretzels and ginger ale but there's a reason it's a felony to screw around with them in the air. They're the crew working with the passengers. Full respect.
They do... I've been on a thankfully uneventful emergency landing ❤
Because it's a terrifying, make your peace with God, "I'm going to die" moment when you hear it. To me, it's the equivalent of hearing a tornado on the ground without hearing a siren. Anyways, you sympathized with it ❤ You've got a good heart.
@@MegaKat wish people would make peace with God without the threat of dying. Food for thought 💞🙄
Another similar event was in 1983 when an Air Canada Boeing 767 ran out of fuel and was glided to a safe landing at a former air field. The pilot was an experienced glider pilot. See the Gimli Glider.
Too bad the new generation of pilots don't know how to fly by hand as they completely rely on the computer, see Air France 447.
They made a movie about it. If memory serves, there was an aircraft engineer on the plane who helped them eek out every last ounce of fuel efficiency on that plane. I believe they have used that exact scenario in training and nobody was able to land it.
Gimli Glider isn't nearly as amazing as this. The Air Canada was at cruising altitude, so he had plenty of time to look for safe landing spot, and he actually had a runway-ish to land on. Sully had neither. No altitude, no time, no solid ground.
Carlos Dardano's Taca 110 and his entire flying career is pretty awesome as well.
@@rustygear447 That can be looked at from the other direction, too. The only reason Air Canada knew about Gimli is because the captain had been stationed there years before it was decommissioned. And his alternatives were much more grim than Sully faced, if he didn't make the runway. Glide slope precision has to be on the high side (4-6 degrees), and right on, or you're in the rocks. Sully's lack of time and options still gave him one huge flat surface to aim for. Both of them did great.
Huge respect to Sully, seriously. Sure we can nitpick when we have the luxury of unlimited time and all the information, but ultimately he gave us a masterclass in decision-making under extreme pressure.
Any time stuff goes significantly wrong, I subscribe very much to this metric: "Any landing you walk away from is a good landing, and if you can use the plane again then it's a great landing". That makes this a good landing, which is incredible under the circumstances.
And the other way to look at it: everyone on board was dead-with-extra-steps from the moment the birds killed both engines. Every single survivor was a victory over death - from where I sit, 100% survival was a flawless victory. Can't remember the details offhand, but I'm very much thinking of that one airliner crash where everyone should have died but actually a couple hundred survived (and only a few dozen died).
Until you've done even a training course, the brain just can't wrap around how much there is to remember to do it right. I didn't even realize it myself until my course today. Mad respect!
@@doctorplagus7138 absolutely. I had to stop after a few lessons myself, but for sure there's a lot going on even before anything goes wrong. In an emergency there's far more to think about, and even then it's unusual to have so little time.
Dual engine failure during climb-out is pretty much the worst case scenario.
You might be thinking of United 232:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232
I believe you may bee thinking of Flight 232, crashing in Sioux City Iowa. Watching the crash you would have expected no one survived. Occupants 296
Passengers 285
Crew 11
Fatalities 112[a] (111 initially)
Injuries 171 (172 initially)
Survivors 184 (185 initially)
@@francoissouchay3887 Yes another case where the situation was so out of the norm, they could NEVER have had a simulation before it happened.
One of the biggest problems is that they hit a flock of geese weighing 7-15lbs each where even the most modern turbofan engine will struggle to shake off the impact. Hitting a flock of sparrows or pigeons at less than a half a pound those engines would just burp and be like “anyone up for fried pigeon?”
every Canadian knows you do not mess with the cobra chickens
When I heard about the "Miracle" at the time it happened, they said that Sully had graduated from the Air Force Academy in 1973. Right then I knew he was in my brother's class. My brother brought over the yearbook saying he didn't recognize him from the pictures on TV. Sully had a different major than my brother so they were in different squadrons, but he recognized his yearbook photo. There're having a 50 year reunion in Colorado Springs this year, so I'm sure Sully ll be the toast of his class.
I had the same reaction...I'd had no idea that Sully was in my class, until the wife of another classmate told me. Looking in the yearbook was, "Yeah, now THAT guy, I remember!" Each class starts with about 1400, and after attrition, graduates 700-800, so we knew most of our classmates by sight, but the squadron structure & 2 dorms kept some separations between us.
I might know your brother. I'll try to check this post later to see if you've left his last name (and possibly, squadron), or you could mention my name to him.
@@studuerson2548 My brother is Dick Shamrell.
@@katheryns1219 I don't immediately recall the name, but as you pointed out, it's coming up on half a century. I was 11th sq (Vandenberg Hall), chem major. Thanks, and hope he's doing well.
Sully did great. The crew of the Gimli Glider did great. But the be-all is still Al Haynes, captain on the DC-10 that crashed in Sioux City after total hydraulic failure. The MD-11 had the same hydraulic system with a reservoir redundancy thrown in that was pure eyewash for the fix. All of us in the plane would get the Haynes scenario in sim, and after the 2 of us got it as far as the runway, I bounced it 50ft in the air when I wiped the power (the same, and only mistake Haynes made) the instructor froze the sim and slid forward. I thought I was toast, but the instructor put a hand on each of our shoulders, and said, "Congratulations. You're the first crew in 6 months to even make the runway." They were basically throwing the Kobyashi Maru at us, and it took the full strength of both of us to manipulate the controls. We were both drenched in sweat. No, Al Haynes is THE man.
My husband flew the F-4, F-16 for, 22 years, and another 27 with a major airline. He's answers countless questions over the years and knew exactly what was going on in this scenario.
That’s awesome!
Just watching the "miracle on the Hudson" gives me so many chills; because as an aviation enthusiast myself, that silky smooth landing he made turned what could have been a disaster into an amazing show of skill, courage, and level thinking.
Good examples of "Aviate. Navigate. Communicate."
Great explanation! My dad flew combat in 3 wars and then became an ATC, thanks for giving a shout out to those folks
All stars aligned. The copilot having just had a training course on that airplane and knew exactly what page to turn to in that kind of an emergency. And, Sully putting that butt down for a better land. And, absolutely succinct communication.
Hudson off Manhattan is probably the absolute best case for a water landing. So much boat traffic that rescue is at hand right away, the ferry crews are trained in water rescue as well.
That scene and that moment literally brings tears to my eyes, every time.
They told him not to simulate landing on a river, because it wasn't necessary to his flight course. He did it anyway, and many people are happy he did.
As a USAF vet, Sully made me very proud! I was in MAC at Travis...I served when the F 16 was new...I've seen a few of you guys when they stopped by...Respect! Say your heart wasn't racing every time you see him get her down...
No lie, I watched this live from Chelsea Piers. Most goddamn incredible thing I've ever seen. By the way 0 loss of life AND, the Hudson River moves at 4-8 knots so, yeah, miraculous all the way around.
Just imagine..staring Death in the face yet still having to keep your eyes on where you are surly going to die and having to make the decision’s that might save your life. I also believe Sully was a glider pilot and I am sure that helped him glide this plane successfully onto the water. Truly a miracle. Thanks for his Neo.
I recall reading that, pre-Hudson, Sully actually ran a side-business where he lectured corporations and other groups about crisis management. Proof of concept over the Hudson, I'd say.
I think some pilots also think about the souls on board. The way they land or even crash determines not just their own fates but others'. I can imagine that sense of purpose can help drive through fear.
I actually just completed my open water survival course (learned how to survive a ditch) just a few hours ago. I'm aircrew (not pilot) on a SAR team. I had to sit in PIC position just so I could understand what was going on. In scanner position, perfect procedural memory, every last one of us (including my pilots) the second we sat left seat, needed a coach at some point. The thousand of things that goes through the brain to make sure your crew survives is mind blowing. Having that right seat filled and with a good communicator is a life saver. I'm so glad the question, "any ideas" was asked. There's so much to remember in a little Skyhawk, I couldn't imagine what the large airliner pilots have to remember.
Jeff Skiles needs to be praised highly, too. I think people forget him.
I suspect the following...
Ask a crowd if they know who Sully Sullenberger is, and - if they are of an appropriate age - most will have an answer for you.
Ask a crowd if they know who Jeff Skiles is, you'll get crickets.
@@rickpapineau5939 That sounds about right. Both were a part of the survival of all the people. ❤️
Hearing the cabin crew in the background chanting 'brace brace brace head down stay down' is just chilling. They're doing their job too, and you can hear it. Focussing on Sully & Skiles, sure, but Eastwood didn't forget about those in the back.
Dear Tom Hanks, I admire your acting, but won't get on an aircraft if you'll be riding with me. After Apollo 13, Castaway & Sully, I think it's safe to say that any craft you're on is snakebit.
Jimmy Stewart, Buzz Aldrin, Sully and Skiis...make me proud to be an AIR FORCE veteran!
I remember exactly where I was when this happened. I had just started working for Boeing/BAE Systems
Irving TX facility building commercial avionics for the Beoing 777 Dreamliner. I never saw an entire manufacturing plant take an unauthorized break. I looked up from my work and was alone. I walked over to discover every single person from engineers to supervisors and hourlies in the break room all watch this happen. I was very young then. I always understood and honored the work we did as aircraft builders. But when I witnessed this…. This was changed my dedication to my work that much more. 🙏
Hi thanks for checking out the video!
I spent 16 years as a Flight Attendant, so I watched movie with not just a critical eye, but as person with a lot of experience. We did things a little differently than US Air. I also watched the actual NTSB hearing and know that the NTSB were not the bad guys portrayed. The movie did change many facts, for Hollywood's sake.
Yeah, it was obvious they needed a bag guy. Too bad it was the NTSB.
@Phillip Banes So they did allow for the time he took to sort what was wrong ? That loss of time that made it impossible to reach a runway? What was it that they added to the movie?
@@guyfanno1 as I remembered, it was standard procedure for NTSB to conduct investigation to wtf happened before they cleared the pilot, there's no buzz no drama when NTSB was done Sully got cleared. but in the movie, they made it looks like that heads are going to roll to matter what, and NTSB wants Sully's head.
It was nice to see Skyler settled into a new career. /s
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Thank you for your service. 26 years ATC. Thanks for the shout out. You should include Jeffrey Skiles name as FO, he did great as well. The movie was pretty good and possibly the most accurate part was the way the FAA was portrayed as being a dishonest, disingenuous organization when it comes to investigations and safety. Fabricating data to get the preferred result is seemingly their only job requirement in my opinion.
One of the things discovered is that the procedure for ditching assumed an altitude (i.e. time) to run the check list. The 'ditch switch' is so far down the list that they would not have reached the step to activate the switch in the flight time they actually had. Starting the APU was also far down the list. Sully actually went against the manual by starting it that early, which ultimately could be argued saved everyone.
The Live ATC of this incident is absolutely amazing.
Sully's a true American hero and you can't change my mind.
For sure!
Thank you for providing an accurate explanation not biased news media garbage. I know Sully and Jeff, retired from AWA, US AIRWAYS, AA. with 32 yrs. 22 yrs on A320 family. Many new to type pilots are well trained, but lack over vision of a/c capability. Military pilots such as Sully and many others I have worked with seem to bring that different mind set from experience and time in the seat. Always enjoyed pilots that would take the time to ask maintenance personnel questions about systems and often work arounds when systems act up. If I had an engine opened always would explain what they were seeing and mechanically how they operated. Just one more thing for their brain to know. Most pilots I have worked with are really nice comfortable people to be around. Again thank you. God Bless
Re: Ditch switch. I heard in another video that the switch was not flipped during the emergency landing in the Hudson. Activating the switch was near the end of the emergency ditching checklist. The crew did not have time to get that far in the checklist with the available time.
Man I love your energy and your attitude. Anyone who rides in your plan is lucky to have you as a pilot!
I cry every time I watch this... I remember this day. I was in high school... great respect for Sully he's definitely a hero 👏 🙌INCREDIBLE LANDING EVERYONE SURVIVED SULLY AND CREW HEROS!!!❤❤😮😢😢❤❤❤
What I love most about Sully wasn't just his piloting, but how he handled everything after the landing. He reminded of the good officers I served with. He checked and worried more that all the people he was responsible for made it. This is not to say pure civilian pilots wouldn't do, but you can see in him his is military training too and just him as a good man. He wanted to make sure those under his command/responsible for are safe.
A friend of mine who is a pilot (with international routes) said that part of the problem was that an Airbus has a less robust engine than a Boeing aircraft. The Airbus engines lost the internal compressors (which is a death-sentence for that engine ever producing thrust) whereas Boeing engines are tested by shooting frozen turkeys into a running engine and they keep on running. Also, Sully turned on the APU very early in the process, which meant his computers stayed active. He used the autopilot to maintain trim.
Yea, I knew a guy in the army that worked at Boeing as a mechanic for the engines and when people were saying the birds killed them he was skeptical because he watched Boeing throw frozen turkeys through them.
Rubbish...most aircraft makers use supplied engines from say GE or Rolls Royce for example and an airframe maybe able to be fitted different engine makes, plus an airline may ask for a specific brand of engine for their airframe as it suits their engineering, parts and service requirements.
I thought this video was about Sully. You're making it all about you!
I used to work at an airforce base in Canada that was home to stunt pilots called The SnowBirds as well as the military jets, I was a wildlife manager for them I would take population estimates on the birds in the area and figure out where they would congregate so pilots didnt hit them while taking off
May i ask how you land a job like that?
You should do a video on just the voice data recorder. The way he says "Cactus 1549" so calmly that air traffic doesn't catch the gravity of the situation is on a whole other level few will ever be at.
Aviate - Navigate - Communicate
Sully's time as an F-4 pilot, as well as his many hours in a bus helped him tremendously. The ATC who was on duty that day often gets left out of the conversation. Obviously, his work wasn't nearly as hard as Sully's, but it was very solid.
That's a damn stressful job. My wife was a 13B out of Oklahoma. Spent 10 years on that hooptie, and then spent 5 years in GCI control over at the NTTR.
.....no thanks lol
You missed the biggest thing... he had everyone get to land alive. Also, hats off to all the boats who immediately came to the rescue of everyone on the plane and made sure everyone was safe.
I hope you never get tired hearing "Thank You for your service! Max". I was a missile, bomb, and ammo loader for F=4's in 1977 and for 5 more years with F-15's. We all trusted each other to do our jobs, and we did.
I always imagine this landing being similar to the angle that the apollo 13 needed to come in at In order to not burn up it was something like 33 degrees and you'll skip off the atmosphere in the space and 35 r 36 Degrees and you'll dive and burn up... But if you hit it at the precise angle everything will be fine and he did it... Man I love Sully!!!
Mad respect to any Eagle Drivers...thank you for your service.
Murmuration - huge flock of birds. It's an amazing and beautiful sight - from the ground!
Hey, Max - did you see that video of pilot who lost a nose wheel on take off? Single engine at a small airport. She did an awesome job.
Yeah that was awesome!
Although A320 has a ditching switch it was not activated by Sully. It was the last step in a very long checklist they did have time to complete . Besides, they had a huge hole from where the water was gushing in
Hey thanks for checking out the vid!
@@MaxAfterburnerusa I wonder what an airliner would look like in"" The Walking Dead & The Last Of Us "" worlds say 10 years later....
What would be made to fly eg non-standard engines like 2 sets of Raptor engines grafted to the engine mounts of ?
Different air craft grafted together. eg 2 tail sections, bi-plane wing set ups etc....
110% someone would be trying out there....
Wasn’t there but heard he told the flight attendants to prepare for energy landing vs ditching. Also heard he never pushed the ditching switch. Mistakes Yes, but can’t fault the crew with everything they had to do
@@timdennis3035 You could call starting the APU before doing anything else a mistake because it wasn't the first item on the checklist, but it might have been the difference between everyone dying and what actually happened. So, no mistakes were made in that cockpit.
@@blindleader42 starting the APU when you have have lost an engine and the other is degraded is common sense, so is pushing the ditching switch before going in the water and no checklist is needed to do that. For that matter we can say putting the landing gear down before landing is also common sense, so yes, it was a mistake or an oversight if you prefer, but as I said previously I see no fault given the totality of the situation.
It isn’t a movie but have you heard about the Gimli Glider? The Air Canada pilot landed his plane after he ran out of fuel due to a miss fill of the fuel tanks.
Thank You for your service!!!
Thanks Ryan, great presentation! My heart still races when I see that incident, whether it’s true video or the movie.
And if the aircraft had no APU, they have the RAM ram Air turbine which drop a tubine under the fuselage fwd of the Main Landing gear to give basic functions to the cockpit and controls. I gave 14 years myself on Hangar maintenance in Shannon working on Airbus A321,20,19 and Boeing 787 dreamliner, 787 and 757. Worked predominantly on Engines wings and tail. Sully did a great job of getting tail down first as Engines are dropping a couple of feet below the fuselage so them hitting water first could have broken up the aircraft.
The ditching switch was far down in the checklists they never had time to get to.
The glide angle, being so slow and low, made the impact a bit more hard than would have been ideal if they had more speed, so it damaged the underside aft and let it flood.
Ideally, the plane would float.
In the end, Sully made about as perfect a water ditch landing as was possible. I seem to recall the only thing they missed was hitting one switch which would have sealed off some vents and such to keep the plane above water longer in the event it landed intact. Focusing on actually landing intact was far more important at the time I suspect.
That's the "Ditch" button that Ryan talked about in the video, and you're right that the crew never selected it. The reason was that the Ditch button procedure was further down in the checklist, and they simply ran out of time before they got that far down the list. Another thing that I am surprised people don't bring up is that Sully is (or at least was) an avid glider/sailplane pilot! So he had the exact right set of skills to handle an engines-out situation. Just an amazing occurrence all around.
What bothers me more is that there is alsmost zero talk about that due to the apu was started it never even went out off "Normal Law" . I'm pretty sure I seen a short summary somewhere of the investigation that it was concluded that if it had been in direct law the outcome wouldn't been near as pretty.
Former Army 15 tango uh-60 crew cheif here and situational awareness is key in any emergency situation and crew management and trust in your crew mates that they are doing everything they can correctly
Side. Note the F4 like the F16 pretty much did everything asked of it may not have done it well. But it did it and brought back it's crews with damage that few aircraft could take and keep flying.
I don't know why it is but that part where the Flight Attendants are going though their drill really gets to me every time. *They* have a much better idea of what is coming than most other folk and they *still* do their job even though in their minds they must be thinking "Well, this is it!". It might not be a battlefield but that is courage.
For me in this movie, the best part is what isnt said. The expressions say way more than words. Masterwork
I think the Mentour Pilot video about this might be worth a listen as it is about the report and not the film.
Ice in his veins. Damn.
Another moment from the movie I loved was when someone told the controller who had been relieved that the plane had landed on the Hudson. "Landed?!" I can imagine the pure elation of relief in the real controller operator who had thought all these people had died.
Then of course all the ferries and boats who immediately went out to help evacuate the passengers.
About 5:45. Sully didn't tell the tower that he had lost both engines because he still didn't know if he could restart at least one engine. It all happened quickly. If Sully and the FO could have gotten at least partial thrust from at least on engine, they might have been able to make Teterboro. Maybe. Probably not. But, in the moment, as you said, there was a lot going on in just minutes after takeoff.
About 11:15. Sully did close the valves. Man, you need to do some more research. You might be overconfident... which is probably a good thing as a fighter pilot.
All the reports I’ve seen say they failed to press the ditch button. The plane would have floated longer.
They just didn’t have time to get to the ditch check list.
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. That he told anyone what his intensions were was golden. (Plus the golden rule of turning back?)
Let's check this out.
I saw this happen live from Weehawken, NJ. Crazy sight!
Sully is a good movie. My favorite line in the movie is when Sully is a student pilot and his instructor says, "Whatever happens, always fly the plane." My flight instructor gave this lesson very graphically. He surreptitiously cut the engine and said, "Now what are you going to do?"
A couple friends that were both airline mechanics working for United Airlines. One of them told me of the flotation material inside the wings of all their aircraft. There is an expectation these airplanes my have to land in the water.
The cloud transitions looked so good Ryan! ☁️
I remember watching this happen live. He didn't ditch- he landed that thing in water ! It was horrifying, inspirational, and mesmerizing all at the same time.
Hey! Another wonderful vid man, really love your breakdowns and the contrast you build with your own experience. It really helps to put things into perspective.
Keep up the good work!
I love our 2152’s we work with. Smooth and calm.
I live along the Hudson River and I remember how FREEZING it was that day
Very nice recap of the ditch with Sully miracle.
Learned a lot.
You are sporting that top gun mustache, kudos!
Thanks for the upload!
Thank you, great job.
Great video and commentary! Thank you!
I heard a woman on the NTSB say she didn't want to be on the inspection crew because he was being hailed a hero and she didn't want to sully Sully!
I remember reading in a novel an observation from one of the characters that a military pilot's panic meter works in reverse. The worse the situation, the calmer they get and revert more to their training. They focus on working the problem and fly the aircraft until the end.
Great job explaining this from a pilot perspective. Special thanks for spelling out the Anachronims.
YES GIVE THANKS TO HIM SAVED THE PEOPLE AMEN >
I remember seeing the footage captured on security cameras and cell phones of the landing and how people watching the event were completely in awe and confusion of that plane landing on river. But to a lot of bystanders credit, they react quickly and got boats over to help the passengers to safety. I don't know if a less experience flight crew could have pulled of though.
Love your stuff Sir! Ty for your service 🫡
Sully was glider instructor so i think it was a great advantage to succeed in this water landing
Great video. Love the stache. And the name Max Afterburner is truly amazing.
Hey thanks!
Great assessment and breakdown. Thanks
But he lost everybody's luggage. No one ever talks about that. ---Homer Simpson
Homer was wrong it wasn't Lost. It's still on the plane.
"It wasn't a crash. It was a forced landing".
One of my favorite lines from the movie. ;)
Thanks for giving the controllers a shout out! My dad was a controller and it is one tough job!
Absolutely! Definitely unsung heroes
Pretty soon, this kind of pilot ability won't exist. In too many airlines the flight crew are basically lifeguards for the autopilot. The "pilot" will just monitor the instruments, and will only touch the controls in an emergency. Even now some airlines want to have only want one pilot up front to keep costs down. Cactus 1549 had roughly a combined 40,000 flight hours of hands-on flying, which is the reason there were no fatalities.
Agreed that Sully's skill and experience were exceptional, but otherwise just no. Takeoff is all manual, climb-out is all manual, landing is usually manual, and the one-pilot idea is stupid and very much not going to happen (though you're right that some airlines want it).
This incident happened during climb-out, and that's just not a phase of flight that anyone automates at all.
Can anyone clarify that the brace impact position is to ensure that everyone breaks their neck on impact before the air liners could be sued by survivors. Would be interested on relevant sources
Good post. Folks forget, Clint Eastwood is a pilot. Great fit for this movie as the director.
He is the pilot that dropped napalm on the giant Tarantula in the classic that was his first movie. He was wearing a mask, but you can recognize his voice