Great Review! I really like the fact that with the more evenly diffused W5, I could see through its hotspot more easily to actually see what you were pointing it at. I want both!
I found out about these by chance, and just LOOKING at it, I could tell the build quality is very good. I think I know what my next purchase is going to be!
I just ordered the w5 for $294 that substantially cheaper than the w4pro. Also got the flip up flood filter, the extension with four 21700 Weltool batteries for $99 total. So double run time and flood. I think I’ll be happy. Thanks for the video and the Memorial Day 30% discount off everything. Excited 😊
You didn’t order a legitimate one at that price not from a reputable manufacturer. I can assure you that because the lowest price that has ever been sold by that company is $400 and they set the prices for any of their distributors or people that sell for them just like Apple sets their iPhone prices for everybody that sells iPhones so you got ripped off and lied to clearly or it’s used
The Owleyes W Pro is an outstanding LEP. The 4M candela is no joke and the quality is good. Probably a step below Acebeam or Olight but I've had no issues. Even have an Owleyes W2 with both emitters swapped for SBT90s. That thing is a monster that can double as a space heater.
Nice! I have a variety of Weltools including a W3 Pro. It's a more reasonable LEP to me. Even at just several feet away, I can see the object actually in the hotspot, no 'white out' effect. Of course, even though it sees far, it's not as far as your lights in the vid but for the size and what it does, again, it's just more reasonable to me.
Thanks for the analysis! Because of your review, I just bought the W4 Pro, and cannot be disappointed in any way by its performance. There are two differences with mine versus the one you tested here: 1) the W4Pro I have does not converge like what yours shows here as the beam stays tight and focused like what you'd expect from a laser profile, and 2) the memory issue is resolved, as the mode returns to Low every time it turns off... I will say though, that the formula for the near perfect LEP is here in these 2 models. Weltool just needs to marry the side mode switch with a sunken protected tailcap activation of the two lights, combined with the knurling of the W5 and the beam performance of the W4Pro and they have a near perfect LEP light.
Ok I bought the W4proTac and the W5 to decided which one I like. The reviewer is spot on. Which light do you want? W4pro is a narrower beam, brighter, gets hotter, a lot less run time especially without extension tube. OR W5 slightly wider even beam, more even white balanced hot spot, a lot less spill, less brightness, usable low beam, side switch, double run time with extension, doesn’t get hot, and a little heavier with the same extension tube. The W5 is the same price as the W4pro even after buying two 21700 and the extension tube. The W5 is more “usable” I believe in real world scenarios because of runtime and beam pattern. But if Welltool made an extension for the W4pro then the difference between the 2 would be heat, brightness, distance, and beam width which the W4pro excels. Ugh I can’t decide.
What is the difference between the W4 Pro and the W4 Pro (Tac)? I'm looking for distance and brightness - would you go with the W4 Pro or the W5? If you wanted to make an impact, which one?
@@internetabyssI was waiting for that answer. I’m ordering one now on eBay. The guy is willing to let it go for $414. I have the W 35 and the Thor three along with the M1. Thanks for helping me make this decision I’ll take the distance.
@@cheule Be more specific on 'quality.' I've had no issues with any of my Maxotchs other than their weird UI. Looks as though the W4 Pro has an even weirder UI though. The Owl Eyes host makes for the farthest reaching commercial LEP I know of, and its heat management is second to none, making for a really well regulated flashlight.
One of them had no glass in front, and when I wiped the convex lens, it scratched because it was plastic. This was on a XSword L2K. I also opened it and a L3K up, and the threads were rough, and the bodies were a little too “lightweight” in my opinion. Agains these are just my opinions, but I think the build quality of the Weltools I’ve owned have all been in another league altogether.
@@cheule Yeah the original L2K didn't have a clear glass lens covering the aspheric, just the colored glass lenses.. The Owl Eyes comes with clear glass as well as the additional filtered ones. I'm not sure about their new L2KD, which is 2nd only to the Owl Eyes W Pro in candela. I had to get my own glass lens for the original L2K I had. I don't EDC these so I guess the amount of machining on the bodies aren't a big deal to me. At least both manufacturers provide great warranties.
LEPs will offer extreme candela and range (perhaps what you are looking for?) but are not very practical in a wide variety of situations because of the lack of spill.
Thanks for doing a comparison! I compared a Weltool W4Pro with an Amutorch BT35 and I've got to say, I like the white beam that a shine-through style LEP produces. That said, the W4Pro is a much better thrower based on candela. I wonder if the laser is emitted with a shine-through LEP 🤔
In my opinion for what i saw in this video, the W4 pro🔦 has a narrower and more concentrated beam, the target is brighter than the W5 (I will buy the W4🔦)
Aren't shine through's supposed to be cheaper? Because they're slighty lesser performers than mirror types? I really like the designs of the weltools. They look really good but way too expensive for the common Joe like me hahaha. I love your videos
I'd recommend getting a bunch of 1mm.x3mm. neodymium magnets for a few bucks to use instead of button tops. You can stack them if necessary in the extension tube and they're hard to lose. I never buy button top batteries.
With the Olight Odin Turbo being the only LEP I’ve ever hand my hands on, thus far, I’ve just ordered the Countycom LEP offering, the “Maratac DX Reach - Rev 2”, which I believe is made by Lumintop, though I’m not positive about that. I’m wondering if you have an opinion or insight on the Maratac. Did I waste my cash or make a decent buy? Thx.
@@cheule What about based on the stated specs and websites images? Can you form an opinion based on that information and your experience and expertise? It’s ok, if not.
I definitely feel so. I sold my Maxtoch L2K. The maxtoch’s light performance is similar, but the build quality and hand feel is much worse. Weltool makes a very solid light.
I mean, they could certainly give you an advantage, to startle or temporarily blind an attacker so you can either attack while they are out of commission or make a quick escape. I can understand that Americans will be dismissive of it, but for us in Europe, there aren't many options, it's certainly better than nothing. If nothing else it can disrupt an attackers ODA-loop (orient-direct-act). But, above all else it should be a tool of awareness (like all flashlights) and that in itself can prevent an attack from even happening.
Are these actually useful at all? I feel like at the distances they’re good at, it’s so far away you can hardly see anything. I’m intrigued by LEPs, but I can’t see how they’d actually be used. I know you kind of touch on it a little at the end, that all they do is put bright spots kms away but would be interested if you actually have any use cases for lights like this.
LEPs are often regarded as one of the more “useless” flashlights. That being said, they illicit the more “wow” factor when you show them off. So take that for what it’s worth!
I can imagine hunting big game animals from a great distance away, spotting the target through a scope and using a weapon-mounted LEP as the lighting source to identify the target through the scope.
My wife's family has a ranch up in the Sierra Nevada mountains that overlook a stream and ravine. We have throwy LED lights for close up range if we need to spot wildlife and the occasional big cat coming around, but they aren't useful for spotting further out down the ravine. These LEPs are the perfect light for doing so, and moreover they don't flood out the entire mountainside to get the job done. These things are very niche in their utility, but they are excellent at that one specific niche. Wow-factor notwithstanding, of course.
Neat, but only good for throw and impossible to use for different situations. The price is to high for what it is for. I have with me the Acebeam w35, I have used it in every possible way. I can confidently say it is better than these two, at a reasonable price too.
"One of these LEPs is the best LEP on the market" - looks at Acebeam W50 lol (actually I forgot you need to be in some sort of profession to be able to buy it) Very nice review though!
OMG Cheule! Why in a God sake you prefer low mode first! High mode only or High mode with no memory always! You are an American guy? Americans are hunters, soldiers, survivalists, they like guns like no one on the planet earth. Hunting, defending, zombie apocalypse... No matter! You want that on High mode for various reasons! You surely will not cycle through, like With W5(disgusting mode selection :( ) ... HIGH ONLY!
@@killough71010 i have both, the w4pro tac has better build quality and feel in hand, but they actually has the same candella of 1.8million, i tested at 20 meters, even though weltool advertised it as 2.88million, which is really disapointing for paying that much money. i highly recommend buying the w35, it has more modes and has bulilt in electronic diffuser also more lumen.
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Great Review! I really like the fact that with the more evenly diffused W5, I could see through its hotspot more easily to actually see what you were pointing it at. I want both!
Thanks for watching!
I found out about these by chance, and just LOOKING at it, I could tell the build quality is very good. I think I know what my next purchase is going to be!
I just ordered the w5 for $294 that substantially cheaper than the w4pro. Also got the flip up flood filter, the extension with four 21700 Weltool batteries for $99 total. So double run time and flood. I think I’ll be happy. Thanks for the video and the Memorial Day 30% discount off everything. Excited 😊
Damn where you'd find it at that price?
Where?
ebay?
Where did you find the special?
You didn’t order a legitimate one at that price not from a reputable manufacturer. I can assure you that because the lowest price that has ever been sold by that company is $400 and they set the prices for any of their distributors or people that sell for them just like Apple sets their iPhone prices for everybody that sells iPhones so you got ripped off and lied to clearly or it’s used
The Owleyes W Pro is an outstanding LEP. The 4M candela is no joke and the quality is good. Probably a step below Acebeam or Olight but I've had no issues. Even have an Owleyes W2 with both emitters swapped for SBT90s. That thing is a monster that can double as a space heater.
Nice! I have a variety of Weltools including a W3 Pro. It's a more reasonable LEP to me. Even at just several feet away, I can see the object actually in the hotspot, no 'white out' effect. Of course, even though it sees far, it's not as far as your lights in the vid but for the size and what it does, again, it's just more reasonable to me.
What a great review! But I'm still torn. I hate mushy buttons and hold for on/off, but the W5 looks to be a better light overall
Mushy it is. Can’t deny that. I would say for most people W5 is probably the one to get. Especially since it has a lower price to boot.
Weltool should fix the W4Pro UI 😭
Great comparison!
Thanks for the praise!
@@cheule now the W5 Pro would outperform both I think
Thanks for the analysis! Because of your review, I just bought the W4 Pro, and cannot be disappointed in any way by its performance. There are two differences with mine versus the one you tested here: 1) the W4Pro I have does not converge like what yours shows here as the beam stays tight and focused like what you'd expect from a laser profile, and 2) the memory issue is resolved, as the mode returns to Low every time it turns off... I will say though, that the formula for the near perfect LEP is here in these 2 models. Weltool just needs to marry the side mode switch with a sunken protected tailcap activation of the two lights, combined with the knurling of the W5 and the beam performance of the W4Pro and they have a near perfect LEP light.
They are very good LEPs. I’m glad to hear they have made slight improvements.
I just wished they could make an extension for the W4pro
I wonder how many people around there just roll their eyes and go "Oh, the flashlight guy is at it again out there". haha
🤣
Outstanding review but I still don't know which one is best for me! LOL. I do have one of the much older W4 (no Pro or Pro Tac)
Great review. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
I wish the W4Pro was tested against the Astrolux WP3
Ok I bought the W4proTac and the W5 to decided which one I like. The reviewer is spot on. Which light do you want? W4pro is a narrower beam, brighter, gets hotter, a lot less run time especially without extension tube. OR W5 slightly wider even beam, more even white balanced hot spot, a lot less spill, less brightness, usable low beam, side switch, double run time with extension, doesn’t get hot, and a little heavier with the same extension tube. The W5 is the same price as the W4pro even after buying two 21700 and the extension tube. The W5 is more “usable” I believe in real world scenarios because of runtime and beam pattern. But if Welltool made an extension for the W4pro then the difference between the 2 would be heat, brightness, distance, and beam width which the W4pro excels. Ugh I can’t decide.
What is the difference between the W4 Pro and the W4 Pro (Tac)? I'm looking for distance and brightness - would you go with the W4 Pro or the W5? If you wanted to make an impact, which one?
@@tonyiknow W4pro tac is the one I kept
@@internetabyssI was waiting for that answer. I’m ordering one now on eBay. The guy is willing to let it go for $414. I have the W 35 and the Thor three along with the M1. Thanks for helping me make this decision I’ll take the distance.
You didn't list the Maxtoch Owl Eyes W Pro in your list.
Honestly the Mactoch flashlights I owned were some of the worst I’ve owned in terms of quality.
@@cheule Be more specific on 'quality.' I've had no issues with any of my Maxotchs other than their weird UI. Looks as though the W4 Pro has an even weirder UI though. The Owl Eyes host makes for the farthest reaching commercial LEP I know of, and its heat management is second to none, making for a really well regulated flashlight.
One of them had no glass in front, and when I wiped the convex lens, it scratched because it was plastic. This was on a XSword L2K. I also opened it and a L3K up, and the threads were rough, and the bodies were a little too “lightweight” in my opinion.
Agains these are just my opinions, but I think the build quality of the Weltools I’ve owned have all been in another league altogether.
@@cheule Yeah the original L2K didn't have a clear glass lens covering the aspheric, just the colored glass lenses.. The Owl Eyes comes with clear glass as well as the additional filtered ones. I'm not sure about their new L2KD, which is 2nd only to the Owl Eyes W Pro in candela. I had to get my own glass lens for the original L2K I had. I don't EDC these so I guess the amount of machining on the bodies aren't a big deal to me. At least both manufacturers provide great warranties.
@@cheule I like Maxtoch's lack of stepdown, but the body and ui tend to be bad.
I just returned my Olight Maurauder 2 just because I wasn’t impressed with it for the price. I’m looking for a replacement now.
LEPs will offer extreme candela and range (perhaps what you are looking for?) but are not very practical in a wide variety of situations because of the lack of spill.
Acebeam Terminator M1 might be worth a look..
Thanks for doing a comparison! I compared a Weltool W4Pro with an Amutorch BT35 and I've got to say, I like the white beam that a shine-through style LEP produces. That said, the W4Pro is a much better thrower based on candela.
I wonder if the laser is emitted with a shine-through LEP 🤔
Do you happen to know if weltool offers a warranty on these lights in the event of an accident or malfunction?
In my opinion for what i saw in this video,
the W4 pro🔦
has a narrower and more concentrated beam,
the target is brighter than
the W5
(I will buy the W4🔦)
So with the extension I'm wondering can you use three 22-500s with the W5? Would two 21-700 be a larger power source than three 22-500s?
The W4Pro is designed for 4.2v only and the W5 8.4v only.
Where can you get one of those battery spacers and what would be the keyword to search for one?
Go to jlhawaii808.com if you don’t see it, shoot an email to Jackson Lee the owner.
Aren't shine through's supposed to be cheaper? Because they're slighty lesser performers than mirror types? I really like the designs of the weltools. They look really good but way too expensive for the common Joe like me hahaha. I love your videos
I'd recommend getting a bunch of 1mm.x3mm. neodymium magnets for a few bucks to use instead of button tops. You can stack them if necessary in the extension tube and they're hard to lose. I never buy button top batteries.
Issue with using magnets is it creates higher resistance.
@@cheule really? I didn't know.. Ugh..
Do another W5 test with extension tube and 2 21700 batteries.
Two 21700s doesn’t provide any more voltage than two 21500s
Awesome!!!
please get your hands on the new W5 asap!! :0
I’m thinking I might skip this one, sorry!
With the Olight Odin Turbo being the only LEP I’ve ever hand my hands on, thus far, I’ve just ordered the Countycom LEP offering, the “Maratac DX Reach - Rev 2”, which I believe is made by Lumintop, though I’m not positive about that.
I’m wondering if you have an opinion or insight on the Maratac. Did I waste my cash or make a decent buy?
Thx.
I have no opinion because I’ve never handled one. Hope you enjoy it.
@@cheule
What about based on the stated specs and websites images? Can you form an opinion based on that information and your experience and expertise?
It’s ok, if not.
Are they really better than xsword lep's? Especially l2kd???
I definitely feel so. I sold my Maxtoch L2K. The maxtoch’s light performance is similar, but the build quality and hand feel is much worse. Weltool makes a very solid light.
I like the NATO Bond strap.
What about Led lenser p9?
Could you change an emitter for me?
Could this be used in a self defence situation?
I firmly think flashlights make terrible self defense items. Much better to get pepper spray or another weapon you feel comfortable with.
@@cheule awesome thanks
@@cheule You are correct...
I mean, they could certainly give you an advantage, to startle or temporarily blind an attacker so you can either attack while they are out of commission or make a quick escape.
I can understand that Americans will be dismissive of it, but for us in Europe, there aren't many options, it's certainly better than nothing.
If nothing else it can disrupt an attackers ODA-loop (orient-direct-act).
But, above all else it should be a tool of awareness (like all flashlights) and that in itself can prevent an attack from even happening.
and what about astrolux wp3?
How do they compare to the fenix LEP 30R?
Why are they so exspensive ?
300-400 $ for laser flashlight?
Some of it is the quality of the phosphor surface and optics, and some of it is Welltool’s superior build across the flashlight.
I have a 5000 MAH battery in mine. Along with 3 batteries for backup
Haven’t tested any nitrcore?
Are these actually useful at all? I feel like at the distances they’re good at, it’s so far away you can hardly see anything. I’m intrigued by LEPs, but I can’t see how they’d actually be used.
I know you kind of touch on it a little at the end, that all they do is put bright spots kms away but would be interested if you actually have any use cases for lights like this.
LEPs are often regarded as one of the more “useless” flashlights. That being said, they illicit the more “wow” factor when you show them off. So take that for what it’s worth!
I can imagine hunting big game animals from a great distance away, spotting the target through a scope and using a weapon-mounted LEP as the lighting source to identify the target through the scope.
My wife's family has a ranch up in the Sierra Nevada mountains that overlook a stream and ravine. We have throwy LED lights for close up range if we need to spot wildlife and the occasional big cat coming around, but they aren't useful for spotting further out down the ravine. These LEPs are the perfect light for doing so, and moreover they don't flood out the entire mountainside to get the job done. These things are very niche in their utility, but they are excellent at that one specific niche. Wow-factor notwithstanding, of course.
I use mine for searching high leads off of domes , and searching tight side leads, while caving. A tight beam is perfect for this.
What is the beam distance ?
The W4 Pro is 2,500,000 candela, or 3160 meters of throw.
Trying to determine the purpose of these style of lights..
Long range search and object ID
I can’t get these in the UK .
I bet Jackson Lee www.jlhawaii808.com would ship to you. Might be pricey.
lol another awsome video keep on keepin on ill see you in the next one also i need to get an LEP light one day lol
Neat, but only good for throw and impossible to use for different situations. The price is to high for what it is for. I have with me the Acebeam w35, I have used it in every possible way. I can confidently say it is better than these two, at a reasonable price too.
What’s LEP?
Light Excited Phosphor, a blue laser excited a phosphor surface to make the white light.
You put in lumintop 1 and 2 but not 3 it doesn’t make sense.
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Time to get the Acebeam W35
I feel wel tool pro 5 is better
"One of these LEPs is the best LEP on the market" - looks at Acebeam W50 lol (actually I forgot you need to be in some sort of profession to be able to buy it)
Very nice review though!
Haha W50. You’re killing me.
Holy crap, it is $3,300.
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OMG Cheule! Why in a God sake you prefer low mode first! High mode only or High mode with no memory always! You are an American guy? Americans are hunters, soldiers, survivalists, they like guns like no one on the planet earth. Hunting, defending, zombie apocalypse... No matter! You want that on High mode for various reasons! You surely will not cycle through, like With W5(disgusting mode selection :( ) ... HIGH ONLY!
I guess I’m not a true American guy!
@@cheule hah, I am with you there. I consider the mode below HIGH to be the standard running mode for most flashlights.
They're sold out 😢
Try Weltool’s main site?
Thanks, they both have faults that would stop me.
Acebeam W30 is the best.
The W30 (which is unavailable) is 1.5mcd. The W4 Pro is 2.5mcd.
@@cheule the quality of candela is better on the Acebeam.
@@cheule I have a brand new Acebeam W30 for sale.
@@Gadgetdad007 do you really? How much ?
@@lilbozo305 you can still buy the W30 from Andrew And Amanda. if I’m not mistaken, the price is $360. I have the W 35, which is also very nice light.
High price
Weltool is premium for sure.
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i like the W5 looks better even tho there very close
How dose the acebeam W35 compare to these?
@@killough71010 i have both, the w4pro tac has better build quality and feel in hand, but they actually has the same candella of 1.8million, i tested at 20 meters, even though weltool advertised it as 2.88million, which is really disapointing for paying that much money. i highly recommend buying the w35, it has more modes and has bulilt in electronic diffuser also more lumen.