As a German it is pathetic to see such a "strong nation" being afraid of teaching its *TRUE* past. You loose respect as soon as your are intentionally lying or obscuring history. We treat our memorial days, museums and teachings with respect and so should any other nation out there.
Eh. I dont disagree. But even germany is full of people who still, after 50 years, resist ANY rememberance of recent darker history. Of 30 00-Stolpersteine, more than half already had to be replaced because people pried them out. And even if most accept a third-reich-was-bad narrative currently, remember what BS people riled up when that one minister dared publicly apoligize to the Namafor _that_ colonial massacre. Or how few people know/learn germany supplied Saddam Husseins poison gas program.
I am German. The very stringent education about my nation's crimes in the Holocaust, the Shoah and Pojramos specifically, is the entire basis for the German concept of vigilant democracy. My school education on the Holocaust started when I was in 7th grade and obviously it made me feel uncomfortable and guilty at times. If standing as a German in the middle of a concentration camp memorial (not even a death camp, never had an opportunity to visit one of those, just a regular concentration camp) while actually understanding the entire context and all the ramifications, there would be something fucking wrong with me if I didn't feel anything. Learning about US history and current US social issues making white US American kids feel uncomfortable would mean that the kids are all right. My country making every effort to educate every new generation and to *_NEVER FORGET_*, doing the opposite of what DeSantis is trying to do, has made my country better. It makes it so much harder for authoritarians who point at minorities, giving uslicense to hate them, and promise us to make Germany great again, to actually convince people. That is the reason why DeSantis and Abbott and company are doing it. They're making it easier for fascism. Greetings from a country where you learn in school what fascism actually looks like.
I'm a white American raised in Charleston, South Carolina which was THE major port during the slave trade. Charleston definitely owned its history, even the dark parts and made sure every tourist understood just how terrible it was for the slaves... There's even a few plantations that have been reopened into Parks (Boone Hall Plantation and Magnolia Plantation for example). I agree with you whole heartedly and I feel like your comment is an extremely important perspective. Thank you . I think Desantis and anyone who isn't comfortable learning real history has an issue with feeling empathy.. they should take a page out of Germany's book though and own the history of America. It's very sad but Japanese Internment Camps are all but written out of history books... Anyway thanks again
The difference between Germany & the US is that Germany was willing to admit its wrongs & educate its youth from the 1st generation after WWII ended. The government there ensures those mistakes will never be repeated. America prefers to pretend that its wrongs weren't really wrong, that they happened long ago & have had no ripple effects on the country since slavery ended. All so that the ideological descendants of the original evildoers can continue touting "America Exceptionalism!" while White Supremacy keeps spreading like cancer.
Just imagine saying "Ann Frank" needs to thank the Germans for their occupation, because without them she would have never have become a best selling author. SMDH
Stupid comment. Just think if the Communist hadn't tried to take over Germany with porn, drugs, sex change hospitals, banking scams and inflation. Communist were asked to leave. Many took their piles of money and went to Russia and became Bolsheviks. How stupid was Woodrow Wilson, giving the Bolsheviks money to start their little war? Our own Wall Street benefitted. How dumb are Democommies? Then Franklin D. Roosevelt give Stalin money to put up the Iron Curtain.
Your political ideology is absolutely INSANE if you find yourself needing to rehabilitate American CHATTEL SLAVERY in 2024. They are going to lose this election if this is the kind of angle they're exploring
Even if it were true that slaves gained skills...they weren't allowed to benefit from them and instead were forced to use them for the benefit of their slave masters!
This is a perfect example of using a truth to sell a lie. It is true that some (male) slaves could learn a skilled trade and some of them were allowed to hire themselves out and keep the money they earned which they could then use to buy their freedom or that of their families. BUT THEY WERE STILL SLAVES. They were always at the mercy of the slave society that regarded them as subhuman and property. They only learned a skilled trade *if their master allowed it.* Same for being hired out to others, same for being allowed to travel, same for keeping their earnings. They were also the exceptions. Most slaves were field hands, and they were brutalized and worked to death.
That is beyond sick. Pick out an exception - an exception of a woman BREAKING THE LAW to teach reading as an example of why the body of laws that would have prevented Douglass from reading by making it illegal... were not a problem. That man is a disgrace.
Exactly. This is a law built upon the exception to the rule. Which I guess just shows how horrible American Exceptionalism is. Any person who uses an exception to prove a rule, is simply someone who is incredulous or intellectually dishonest. We are constantly accused of indoctrination. We simply teach the history, we may give our opinions on it, but we are teaching the real history, that isn't indoctrination. What Florida is doing, and the way all religious fundamentalists work, is through a lens of indoctrination by limiting the focus on the actual history and highlighting only the exception.
@katanacovington7595 Douglas was abiding by what he was taught by white society. At that time most white women didn't attend school, vote, or much else except stay barefoot and pregnant. So of course he wouldn't teach his wife to read. What a sick evil place amerikkka is. Land of the free? Right.
I agree, slavery was the worst thing that could happen to anyone. Being beaten, body parts cut off, raped and the mistreatment of black kids adds up to one thing, you dream and aim for anything to escape slavery. Slaves already had skills, this is why they were enslaved.. Now, tell the entire story of slavery..
They are talking about specific skills that some later used to their benefit instead of for the benefit of a slave master. This doesnt make slavery ok.
Was? That klukette Klinton got the slave pens back open in Libya, same pens that got filled when the children of Europe were sold into for the Childrens Crusade.
Don't be stupid, slaves were expensive. Blacks weren't mistreated until they were freed. Study your history you'll find the Democrats were behind it all.
Kinda ironic an old black guy is being used to do the heavy rhetorical lifting in defending the usage of black people as slaves to do literal heavy lifting.
Learning your bad history is supposed to make you feel uncomfortable enough to never do it again. This attempt to make kids feel comfortable with the horrors of slavery is a first step to making tomorrow's adults feel comfortable with fascism and authoritarianism.
Allow who ? Dr. William Allen, the black co- author of the curriculum, quoted Fredrick Douglass" when he explained what he wrote. Educate yourself on both sides of an argument before you just jump on a side and comment things that make you look uneducated.
To pick one person, Fredrick Douglass as "benefiting" from being taught to read is just crazy. What about the 12.499 million slaves who didn't learn to read.
We’ll never learn from Uncle Tom here. I cannot believe that Douglass getting a chance to learn to read, when 99.99999% of other black Americans weren’t, is being used to excuse slavery.
@@Virjunior01you say they.... it was just a black man that said it, and the educational standard that they are discussing was written by a group of all black scholars? So who is they?
I saw my first book about the holocaust by accident at a family friends house when I was about 10 years old. I was shocked and filled with sorrow about what I saw and read. That is called empathy. Empathy will not hurt you. It makes you humane.
Teaching children the benefits of slavery would be like teaching them the benefits of jumping off of a 5-story building, in that they may end up becoming a paraplegic, but that means that they’ll be able to go to the front of the line when waiting to ride a roller coaster.
Honestly, very well put. Even if there is a benefit to slavery (like skill acquisition), not like they could use it in a slave state or use it in a white supremacist one.
Or they might become super-human like on TV and the movies. If Republicans want us all to live in a fantasy world, then they may as well swing for the fences. I fully understand now how the way they see the world has everything to do with the way they practice their religious beliefs ... God is White, Jesus is White, the Disciples are White, and so how can the Founding Fathers be wrong about anything they did to create this country for God in the past, the present or the future?
It’s so sad that you white supremacist racists believe we don’t understand how a person not actually saying the words or commenting the act. Can still make them a racists. It’s the same as someone wanting someone killed they may never say I want you to kill them but they say shet like I want them to have a accident..we not as dumb as you all believe we are we know exactly what you racist be meaning. We are way smarter then you or your ancestors ever believed we were. It’s why we not only survived over 400 years of the evil acts of slavery and Jim Crowe. Committed against us in this country. We are the original human race on this planet Earth. The original Adam and Eve comes from Africa. We have outlived several forms of homo sub humans to become the one and only homo subspecies left on this Earth. An with the Earth heating up and getting hotter our melanin guarantees our survival once again even through this horrible climate change crisis. In other words our DNA and bodies are built to last.
So they listed a bunch of African-Americans from the 1800s who were NOT enslaved, but gave slavery credit for their skills?! Sometimes the wrong skills?! And these people are educators?? I guess they just assumed Black = slave?? This IS important, and really needs to be publicized loudly, far and wide.
@@bernadettesemple9301 You completely missed my point. Did you watch the video all the way through? Did you read the tweets and the sources provided? The curriculum lists people and their trades as examples of how they were well-served by slavery, saying they are in those trades because of what they learned. The problem is that the first several listed do not fit that parameter. They were born to freed slaves - so yes, their parents were slaves - but they were born free and thus did not learn their trades as slaves. The curriculum is WRONG. These people learned their skills ON THEIR OWN - and should not be held up as examples of how slavery benefitted anyone.
@@mc2writer I could not watch or listen to the maker of this video. But how could a free slave, after the Civil War, get skill sets? True, the Republicans, Presbyterian Churches and the freed Black Union Soldiers came in and built the Emerson School for Children and the Black Historic Colleges. Many became lawyers, Pharmacists and teachers. More graduated with College degrees 'then', up until the Civil Rights Movement. It has declined since then.
@@rossington1680 Is slavery the best way to teach people to read? Is the point of slavery to teach people to read? Should we enslave students to teach them how to read better?
That will never not be funny to me; to think back of how he volunteered to be humiliated live on TV by revealing his own mother doesn't like him... I mean his news organization
Nevermind that slavehunters specifically targeted blacksmiths, ricegrowers, and agriculturalists in Africa to grow tobacco and sugarcane. They were already smelting iron in West Africa for centuries.😐
Thank you for acknowledging these facts. As an African American, I'm insulted that people that Ron DeSantis can alter my history to make himself feel superior. That "Black" professor should be ashamed of himself for insinuating that being in bondage helped helped anyone benefit from it. For example, A prisoner can learn how to read behind bars AND be ready to take the law degree exam and become a lawyer. So does that mean that imprisoning people benefits the prison population? Can I argue that all prisoners get beneficial skills by serving time in prison? Some may to fight what put them in jail in the first place, but as a group, prisons don't teach prisoners how to live successfully.
@@williammatthews5422 It is just implied, as there would be no reason to mention any kind of supposed benefit that resulted from slavery if one was not attempting to justify it, downplay its impact on a community of people, or just generally white-wash it.
@DemonDante1000 The guidelines do not say enslavement was a fair exchange for learning some skills. As I recall, they say, this is a slight paraphrase, some slaves used skills they learned to their advantage. The first sentence is not implied in the second. Let me ask you, if a slave used a skill to become free, wouldn't you deem that skill useful and used to advantage?
Only in the most depraved universe could there be any opinion that slavery had any good points for the enslaved, it is just beyond words how vile these Neo-Nazi creeps are.
The more the "normal" GOP goes down this far-right racist, fascist hell hole... the more I truly believe these fascists will have to be put down with force in the next decade or two. I used to, last couple years, laugh when people would say online that a civil war was gonna happen... now it's looking more & more like an inevitability, which is truly frightening
In many southern states, it was against the law to teach slaves to read. The teacher could face jail time and the slave would be either beaten or killed. It was rare for a slave to be taught skills like blacksmithing or construction because there was a recurring fear of them stealing weapons to use in an uprising like the one in Haiti. One of the most notable aspects of former slaves is that very few had any useful skills with which to navigate the world, literacy being the greatest barrier. The vast majority ended up going back to the fields and working as servants.
Your comment is the about the only one that speaks the truth. Most these people on this link don't understand the Democrats made it against the law to teach their slaves how to read. And there had been many rebellions. One happened down in Louisiana.
Absolutely. This is ridiculous. The slaves weren't "provided" with those skills. Those skills (especially literacy) were withheld, and a few managed to achieve them IN SPITE of slavery.
@HerbeMckinney They are talking about after the republican president freed the slaves. After 700k Americans died to end slavery. When after the slaves were freed the democrat party founded the KKK in order to keep the ex slaves in line and to prevent them from getting a job with those skills. This democrat party tradition continued into the 60s with their Jim crow law and the party voting down every civil rights bill the republicans tried to pass. Then they had George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door and voting into office the grand cyclops of the KKK robby racist byrd and now they have a segregationist in the white house to carry on their racist tradition. The democrats send 500 million a year to their favorite racist org. planned parent hood. 40% of the abortions are of black babies . This was the dream of the founder margaret sanger who started it to eliminate blacks and minorities from society and the democrats are keeping her dream alive. When you combine this with the black on black crime that is slaughtering young black men in every dem run city the dream is alive and well today. Not the dream of the republican MLK who dreamed of a color blind world but of the racist democrat party and their racist traditions.
Nobody said they were "provided" those skills. Who are you arguing against? "managed to achieve them IN SPITE of slavery." again who are you arguing against? Who disagrees with this?
Some slaves learned skills that they were able to use when slavery ended. Historic fact. If Obama said it there would be no problem. If Florida teaches it they are right wing fascist racist bigots. Kamala and Emma and sammy are left wing partisan hack liars that use anything they can to bash the right. The left is evil.
@@otakurocklee Some slaves learned skills that they were able to use when slavery ended. Historic fact. If Obama said it there would be no problem. If Florida teaches it they are right wing fascist racist bigots. Kamala and Emma and sammy are left wing partisan hack liars that use anything they can to bash the right. The left is evil.
As a descendent of the enslaved, this is the equivalent to holocaust denial, this black man needs to be ashamed of himself for spreading this blasphemy.
He's what we call tethers.. skin folk not kin folk.. their only here to set us 🔙 for white supremacy. not from America chattel slavery. slavery is demonic. People like him will sell their mother 🤡 just to stand next to a white man. This pig sold his soul.
Because why make them uncomfortable with history?? Is blatantly clear they didn’t want us to read and for what reason??? Why didn’t they teach them to read in the first place? Privilege gives you the authority to say we should be grateful even in our circumstances 😂😂😂😂
This coconut is so out of touch with our story. It is therefore important for us to identify these "House Niggers". Please forgive me for using these two words but I believe it is the best way to identify him.
I read that excerpt from the autobiography of Frederick Douglass every year in my English class, and this clip made me absolutely livid. Not only did Frederick Douglass *NOT* make the argument that slavery wasn't so bad because at least he learned how to read (like y'all said, he learned to read _in spite_ of slavery, not because of it), he also in that SAME PASSAGE makes the argument that the system of slavery was bad for his mistress as well as himself, because it transformed a kind-hearted woman into a cruel tyrant: "Slavery proved as injurious to her as it did to me. When I went there, she was a pious, warm, and tender‐hearted woman. There was no sorrow or suffering for which she had not a tear. She had bread for the hungry, clothes for the naked, and comfort for every mourner that came within her reach. Slavery soon proved its ability to divest her of these heavenly qualities. Under its influence, the tender heart became stone, and the lamb‐Iike disposition gave way to one of tiger‐like fierce‐ ness. The first step in her downward course was in her ceasing to instruct me. She now commenced to practice her husband's precepts. She finally became even more violent in her opposition than her husband himself. She was not satisfied with simply doing as well as he had commanded; she seemed anxious to do better. Nothing seemed to make her more angry than to see me with a newspaper. She seemed to think that here lay the danger. I have had her rush at me with a face made all up of fury, and snatch from me a newspaper, in a manner that fully revealed her apprehension. She was an apt woman; and a little experience soon demonstrated, to her satisfaction, that education and slavery were incompatible with each other." - The Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass Frederick Douglass spent his life using his hard-won writing skills to convince everyone he could of how absolutely evil slavery was. And now these assholes trying to use Frederick Douglass's experience to soften the harshness of what slavery was? FUCK THEM.
This was exactly 2hat I was taught about Frederick Douglas in the 80's in my crappy little southern NH. What they are doing in Florida is sick and disgraceful.
Using the excuse of "well, a few slaves benefited in minor ways, so it means slavery was beneficial for them." Is borderline disturbing. There is no justification for slavery. Period. They always seem to ignore the millions of slaves that were treated like cattle, and it really speaks on how terrible slaves were treated when the best defense of it is the fact that the best treated slaves were treated like dogs.
This is beyond reality that we as a society could get to this point. I can't even begin to comprehend this logic. People wonder why African Americans have issues with conservatives and Republicans, this utter foolishness is case in point.
@HerbeMckinney They are talking about after the republican president freed the slaves. After 700k Americans died to end slavery. When after the slaves were freed the democrat party founded the KKK in order to keep the ex slaves in line and to prevent them from getting a job with those skills. This democrat party tradition continued into the 60s with their Jim crow law and the party voting down every civil rights bill the republicans tried to pass. Then they had George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door and voting into office the grand cyclops of the KKK robby racist byrd and now they have a segregationist in the white house to carry on their racist tradition. The democrats send 500 million a year to their favorite racist org. planned parent hood. 40% of the abortions are of black babies . This was the dream of the founder margaret sanger who started it to eliminate blacks and minorities from society and the democrats are keeping her dream alive. When you combine this with the black on black crime that is slaughtering young black men in every dem run city the dream is alive and well today. Not the dream of the republican MLK who dreamed of a color blind world but of the racist democrat party and their racist traditions.
@HerbeMckinney They are talking about after the republican president freed the slaves. After 700k Americans died to end slavery. When after the slaves were freed the democrat party founded the KKK in order to keep the ex slaves in line and to prevent them from getting a job with those skills. This democrat party tradition continued into the 60s with their Jim crow law and the party voting down every civil rights bill the republicans tried to pass. Then they had George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door and voting into office the grand cyclops of the KKK robby racist byrd and now they have a segregationist in the white house to carry on their racist tradition. The democrats send 500 million a year to their favorite racist org. planned parent hood. 40% of the abortions are of black babies . This was the dream of the founder margaret sanger who started it to eliminate blacks and minorities from society and the democrats are keeping her dream alive. When you combine this with the black on black crime that is slaughtering young black men in every dem run city the dream is alive and well today. Not the dream of the republican MLK who dreamed of a color blind world but of the racist democrat party and their racist traditions.
Geez... who are you arguing against? "It’s like saying prisons provide the service of teaching you how to escape prisons." Who is saying slavery provided a service? You just want to be act outraged over nothing. The curriculum says slaves learned skills that he could use for his personal benefit. Your own post admits slaves learned to read, and they were able to use it for their personal benefit. There's nothing different in what you said and what the curriculum said. Read the curriculum. Nothing the curriculum says is in any way in conflict with what you wrote? What exactly are you acting so outraged about?
@@otakurocklee Again, a solution in search of a problem for YOU. Seriously, there's no need to read revisionist history especially when it's coming out the mouth of these people. Seriously, you're carrying the water for the wrong horse here.
@@otakurocklee STOP TRYING TO PUT A POSITIVE SPIN ON SLAVERY!!!! That's why we are outraged! It was horrible and inhumane! Slaves had to sneak and learn to read and you mention it like it was a nice little school were they were taught. Just tell the damn truth regardless of what light it shines on your evil ancestors.
@@otakurocklee First of all, you didn’t read the curriculum, don’t lie. It does involve teaching that slavery provided a sort of service (it uses the word benefit) of teaching skills to slaves. This is dumb for a variety of reasons. First of all, it implies that slaves couldn’t have learned these things on their own, which is absurd as nothing particularly advanced was taught to them. Second, they used reading as an example, which WAS NOT ALLOWED for most slaves, and you would have to have an incredibly poor knowledge of United States history to believe otherwise. Third, this is all obviously a ploy to de-legitimize the plight of African Americans by saying they were actually never really victims in this country. Just one step, but in the wrong direction. If you didn’t want to read all that, here’s the summary: it’s demonstrably false revisionist history, and politically motivated. Only an idiot or a racist could believe their justifications.
@HerbeMckinney They are talking about after the republican president freed the slaves. After 700k Americans died to end slavery. When after the slaves were freed the democrat party founded the KKK in order to keep the ex slaves in line and to prevent them from getting a job with those skills. This democrat party tradition continued into the 60s with their Jim crow law and the party voting down every civil rights bill the republicans tried to pass. Then they had George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door and voting into office the grand cyclops of the KKK robby racist byrd and now they have a segregationist in the white house to carry on their racist tradition. The democrats send 500 million a year to their favorite racist org. planned parent hood. 40% of the abortions are of black babies . This was the dream of the founder margaret sanger who started it to eliminate blacks and minorities from society and the democrats are keeping her dream alive. When you combine this with the black on black crime that is slaughtering young black men in every dem run city the dream is alive and well today. Not the dream of the republican MLK who dreamed of a color blind world but of the racist democrat party and their racist traditions.
When I was in college, I had to read Douglass's Autobiography. It was heart wrenching and at times I fought back the tears. I can already picture many teachers, looking at her class of eighth graders and just saying, "I can't. I just cant" and then proceed with the truth. I was educated in South Florida from middle school through college. My history teacher in college brought in Civil War experts and re-enactors to go in depth. Our textbook brought up the issue of states rights and the fact that the confederate convention never mentioned the word slavery. The expert brought it home for us: state rights to do what?
@@sharonrinkiewicz3940 You have it right here. States rights to undermine the freedoms everyone has fought for. Freedom to sell off the future of our children to corporations for a quick profit. Freedom to destroy the land. But no freedom for those children who's very equity will be stunted through poor education. No freedom for the families that support them. No freedom for the brainwashed underclass voting to pay low wage jobs even less. No freedom for anyone but the wealthy.
@katanacovington7595 damn, was he agaisnt his wife reading? Guess just because he was an icon doesn't mean he could escape all the bad things of the time
I wonder if school libraries in Florida carry "Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass An American Slave Written by Himself," published in 1845. It's pretty heavy going.
They were of tremendous use... to their masters. Everything they were taught was for the good of the rich owners. Anything extra was either a rare act of charity or (more often) something they learned on their own in spite of their slavery.
@@JohnEusebioToronto Like a temp agency. where the agent kept your wages and gave you a bowl of beans for your efforts maybe a few pigs' feet. and slept with your 12-year-old daughter. Slavery was great for the master and his family
@HerbeMckinney They are talking about after the republican president freed the slaves. After 700k Americans died to end slavery. When after the slaves were freed the democrat party founded the KKK in order to keep the ex slaves in line and to prevent them from getting a job with those skills. This democrat party tradition continued into the 60s with their Jim crow law and the party voting down every civil rights bill the republicans tried to pass. Then they had George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door and voting into office the grand cyclops of the KKK robby racist byrd and now they have a segregationist in the white house to carry on their racist tradition. The democrats send 500 million a year to their favorite racist org. planned parent hood. 40% of the abortions are of black babies . This was the dream of the founder margaret sanger who started it to eliminate blacks and minorities from society and the democrats are keeping her dream alive. When you combine this with the black on black crime that is slaughtering young black men in every dem run city the dream is alive and well today. Not the dream of the republican MLK who dreamed of a color blind world but of the racist democrat party and their racist traditions.
It's like talking about the Titanic and requiring that the focus shouldn't be the iceberg, but how beautiful the linens and chandeliers were instead of mentioning the deaths caused by the iceberg.
What's worse, is that many people take him serious. But, it stands to reason that Reagan would appoint this type of person instead of a real civil rights leader.
Nobody said there were "benefits to slavery." You are just making things up. The curriculum says "slaves developed skills that could be used for personal benefit." It's about slaves acquiring skills in spite of the horrible circumstances they were in.
@@otakurocklee Nah you clearly don't watch the news. Ron DeSatan has specifically said SIaves benefited from sIavery. Also sIaves already had those skills. (Hint: the reason they were forced to work against their will.) Show one document were the sIave owner taught the sIave skills, working skills
It was against Democrat's Laws, "Slave Codes", for slaves to be taught how to read & write. The Democrat's, farther or back when they were called The Whig Party, over in England; made laws against teaching anyone that was both Irish & Catholic. Eventually these people lost their farms and lands. The Whigs loaded them up on slave ships and sent them to The 13 Colonies and their Sugar Plantations. Getting ready for the Civil War, the Democrats brought in Irish immigrants on board their empty Cotton Ships and paid them to fight in the Civil War, so the Democrats could maintain their slave labor. Now, isn't that wild. The Irish were so decimated as a people, that they came over here and fought for the very same Political Party, that destroy their country and turned them into slaves. If you don't think fear & brainwashing works. Ask the Irish.
Thank you for showing us who you are. We will keep it in mind Waters. The Black people who were literally thrown overboard for whatever reason would like you to know, theg DID NOT benefit from slavery!
Yes! When he said it was always the slavemasters that claimed religion that were the worst to him, I have not forgotten that. Seeing so many white evangelicals support the hate being spewed from the republican party, seems like not much has changed.
Can we talk about the fact that the gentleman never looks up at the camera. Almost seems like he is just reading a rough draft script that had just been put in front of him.
This was a great response to Florida's madness, as well as that curriculum author. Thank you for diving further into the research to find the truth and share it with everyone. I appreciate it 🙏🏾 😊
Thankfully, I was taught exactly what you said in your rebuttal to their BS. I grew up in an extremely conservative small town. Why is it just now a debate over these facts? Tells you that it’s all performative “bullshit”.
My hypothesis is that they want future generations to be less equipped and capable to defy authoritarianism. Since their ability to legitimately win elections is decreasing fast (on the national stage it's already gone), authoritarianism is their only path to acquire and retain power.
Really the Dr. should’ve started with the fact that the Mistress of the House BROKE THE LAW by teaching Fredrick Douglas how to read. Curious minds will ask “why was it illegal to teach slaves how to read?” And that is the question those who choose to revise history do not want to deal with.
Love it! As an educated 62 year old black man, I'm stunned by the wish to perpetuate lies and distortion about history. Grow up America, and deal with the reality of our painful past!👍🙏❤️
Whatever skills and knowledge slaves learned in slavery were the result of their own perseverance and the help of other slaves. It was not anything that white slave owners did for them unless there was absolutely no alternative to them learning a skill.
Next week on Fox: "The Capos who worked in the death camps learned skills they would not have learned outside the camps, such as ingratiating yourself to n@zis and new techniques to incinerate bodies."
"It was not anything that white slave owners did for them unless there was absolutely no alternative to them learning a skill." Who are you arguing with? "the result of their own perseverance and the help of other slaves"... again who said otherwise? Do you just want something to be fake outraged about?
@@otakurocklee I'm arguing with the guy on the video, Duh. Does everyone you disagree with engage in "fake outrage"? I'm arguing with THIS BS on THIS video that somehow SLAVERY was beneficial slaves. Anything slaves got out of slavery, they got IN SPITE OF their owners, and IN SPITE OF the way the entire system of slavery was set up. Is it now clear enough who I am arguing with? To act like there is some "good side" to slavery is absurd.
I want to say so much. As an ally, I would rather let my black and brown brothers and sisters take the lead on this one. I support you all in what you express about him, no matter how negative. Please tear him a new one!
@@theendofanerror4173 absolutely ignorant comment - no slavery no Douglas; so if not for polio there would not have been a Jonas Salk; if not for the Holocaust there would be no Anne Frank, how utterly stupid.
Jesse tried to get him to call her a liar, but neither pointed out the lie. Usual gaslighting from faux news. Their audience will just go away believing the VP lied.
Yeah,slaves learned beneficial life skills that they could teach other slaves, but the most beneficial life skill that a slave learned was " don't try to escape" because if you did, then Massah would either sick the dogs on ya, cut off your toes or both.
As a Floridian what I have learned from local news is that there were 13 members of this African American History standards workshop my local news report and had on live two of the black members that were not even asked let alone told that this was going to be part of the standard. It seems that Dr. Allen and Ms. Rice hijacked the workshop and you can't even get a list of the members of that workshop. Florida Education Commissioner Manny Diaz Jr. who was appointed by DeSantis was the state senator that wrote the bill SB 148 The Individual Freedom Act that banned CRT and let the white children not to feel guilty. Why is it when republiCONS pass bills banning what used to be called teaching sound so pro freedom. He is a cuban who education experience was a social studies teacher and a baseball coach for 4 years and then promoted to vice principal for 8 years. In the 90's he denied drug use and inappropriate comments to female students blaming political attacks by Democrats and in 2012 he filed for bankruptcy for 1.3 million so he wasn't good at math. The Florida Board of Education has no black members the chair and vice chair are white republican men and the other 6 are republican women they approved the workshops standard along with the commis Manny Diaz. And Yes Dr. Allen is lifelong republiCON hack the original Candace Owens.
I learned about Fredrick Douglas and many others who managed to do great things DESPITE slavery. Never needed it framed as benefits they received because of slavery. It should always be framed as these great people smashed to do these things despite the oppressive system they were in.
Why do ppl keep saying slaves couldn't read? It's a damn lie. The slaves kidnapped and brought to a foreign land, could not read the foreign language. They could read & write their own language.
The mistress of his slave owner also filled him with pity because she also went from a nice person to turning into a cold, cruel asshole since you can't own a human and treat them as a slave without becoming a depraved freak. He goes into how, on reflection, it was one of the saddest things he learned about human nature and what slavery does to people who are forced to reconcile with their society. You can either be a decent human or a slaver.
Let's also understand something: The enslaved, the ones from Africa and those turned into slaves that were Native, knew their language. The enslaved were not ignorant people they just didn't know how to read the English language. They had to learn the language and then learn to read it. Those aren't ignorant people. They brought physical skills with them. They knew how to grow food and build things.
I’m glad they are teaching about Fredrick Douglas, I look forward to seeing the curriculum on “What to the Slave is the Fourth of July” surely they will include that as well, since this is about truth after all.
In DeSaster’s Snowflake State, slavery is *trade school*. Maybe he should make slavery a 2 year mandatory service so he wouldn’t need to ship immigrants to Martha’s Vineyard.
What intrigued me as a black child reading Frederick Douglas's biography was that he was self educated. Books became a respected source of knowledge. The number one offense was not to let slaves learn to read. I always asked why though it became cleareras i hot older. Thanks Frederick Douglass. It also helped that my mom was a librarian.😊😊
WTF was that guy trying to say with that crap? "Let the people who lived the stories tell the stories." Are they going to line up behind Fredrick Douglas and say, " Yep best thing that ever happened to me was being a slave during the time ol' Fred was learning to read. Ahh yes, good times!"
How can a slave benefit from any skill? A slave is a property, an object, so any skill acquired benefits the owner of the object. The skills acquired have only one purpose, to improve the value of the property. How can an object benefit from any skills? If someone says but but the slave is a human being… The reality is that the humanity of the slave was not recognized, legally it was an object. The only time people talked about humanity was when people had to decide whether it was a slave or a human being...
Before "Slavery" our ancestors did know how to read and write, JUST NOT the words and alphabet of the enslavers also our ancestors had knowledge of tilling soil, among other skills, trades,and practices!!!!!!
This is a prime example of what the denial of black history being taught in schools look like. For decades, Black History was minimized in a lot of schools and people don’t know the history. Black history is American History and should be taught en masse for everyone to understand how this country came to be and how it used slavery for hundreds of years to build the nation into what it is today. It’s an uncomfortable fact but necessary. If these people think learning about it is uncomfortable, imagine living it. Hearing your parents, grandparent, and great grands, share these uncomfortable truths.
As a German it is pathetic to see such a "strong nation" being afraid of teaching its *TRUE* past.
You loose respect as soon as your are intentionally lying or obscuring history. We treat our memorial days, museums and teachings with respect and so should any other nation out there.
Is it true that the German curriculum teaches about the atrocities of Nazi Germany?
True patriotism is not shying away from the truth
What do you mean exactly.
Eh. I dont disagree.
But even germany is full of people who still, after 50 years, resist ANY rememberance of recent darker history.
Of 30 00-Stolpersteine, more than half already had to be replaced because people pried them out.
And even if most accept a third-reich-was-bad narrative currently, remember what BS people riled up when that one minister dared publicly apoligize to the Namafor _that_ colonial massacre.
Or how few people know/learn germany supplied Saddam Husseins poison gas program.
@@1MarkKellerright wingers prefer lies over facts .
I am German. The very stringent education about my nation's crimes in the Holocaust, the Shoah and Pojramos specifically, is the entire basis for the German concept of vigilant democracy. My school education on the Holocaust started when I was in 7th grade and obviously it made me feel uncomfortable and guilty at times. If standing as a German in the middle of a concentration camp memorial (not even a death camp, never had an opportunity to visit one of those, just a regular concentration camp) while actually understanding the entire context and all the ramifications, there would be something fucking wrong with me if I didn't feel anything. Learning about US history and current US social issues making white US American kids feel uncomfortable would mean that the kids are all right.
My country making every effort to educate every new generation and to *_NEVER FORGET_*, doing the opposite of what DeSantis is trying to do, has made my country better. It makes it so much harder for authoritarians who point at minorities, giving uslicense to hate them, and promise us to make Germany great again, to actually convince people. That is the reason why DeSantis and Abbott and company are doing it. They're making it easier for fascism.
Greetings from a country where you learn in school what fascism actually looks like.
I am glad to finally see an European person critique America in a way that isn’t hypocritical or obtuse.
Well said , from America we thank you
I'm a white American raised in Charleston, South Carolina which was THE major port during the slave trade. Charleston definitely owned its history, even the dark parts and made sure every tourist understood just how terrible it was for the slaves... There's even a few plantations that have been reopened into Parks (Boone Hall Plantation and Magnolia Plantation for example). I agree with you whole heartedly and I feel like your comment is an extremely important perspective. Thank you . I think Desantis and anyone who isn't comfortable learning real history has an issue with feeling empathy.. they should take a page out of Germany's book though and own the history of America. It's very sad but Japanese Internment Camps are all but written out of history books... Anyway thanks again
The difference between Germany & the US is that Germany was willing to admit its wrongs & educate its youth from the 1st generation after WWII ended. The government there ensures those mistakes will never be repeated. America prefers to pretend that its wrongs weren't really wrong, that they happened long ago & have had no ripple effects on the country since slavery ended. All so that the ideological descendants of the original evildoers can continue touting "America Exceptionalism!" while White Supremacy keeps spreading like cancer.
Bravo Sir, well spoken. Thx. 🇺🇲✌️
Just imagine saying "Ann Frank" needs to thank the Germans for their occupation, because without them she would have never have become a best selling author. SMDH
Stupid comment. Just think if the Communist hadn't tried to take over Germany with porn, drugs, sex change hospitals, banking scams and inflation. Communist were asked to leave. Many took their piles of money and went to Russia and became Bolsheviks. How stupid was Woodrow Wilson, giving the Bolsheviks money to start their little war? Our own Wall Street benefitted. How dumb are Democommies? Then Franklin D. Roosevelt give Stalin money to put up the Iron Curtain.
Your political ideology is absolutely INSANE if you find yourself needing to rehabilitate American CHATTEL SLAVERY in 2024. They are going to lose this election if this is the kind of angle they're exploring
Even if it were true that slaves gained skills...they weren't allowed to benefit from them and instead were forced to use them for the benefit of their slave masters!
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This is a perfect example of using a truth to sell a lie.
It is true that some (male) slaves could learn a skilled trade and some of them were allowed to hire themselves out and keep the money they earned which they could then use to buy their freedom or that of their families.
BUT THEY WERE STILL SLAVES. They were always at the mercy of the slave society that regarded them as subhuman and property. They only learned a skilled trade *if their master allowed it.* Same for being hired out to others, same for being allowed to travel, same for keeping their earnings.
They were also the exceptions. Most slaves were field hands, and they were brutalized and worked to death.
Bingo 💯👍
That’s not what the magats want you to know
Slavery has been around since before the Bible was written, who gives a sh*t really.
That is beyond sick. Pick out an exception - an exception of a woman BREAKING THE LAW to teach reading as an example of why the body of laws that would have prevented Douglass from reading by making it illegal... were not a problem. That man is a disgrace.
Old Uncle Tom has been paid to play the part what a disgrace to the black like Samuel Jackson in dango unchained
Not to mention Douglas wouldn't and didnt teach his 1st wife to read. His children taught his wife later
Complete disgrace… snd a Fox pawn
Exactly. This is a law built upon the exception to the rule. Which I guess just shows how horrible American Exceptionalism is. Any person who uses an exception to prove a rule, is simply someone who is incredulous or intellectually dishonest. We are constantly accused of indoctrination. We simply teach the history, we may give our opinions on it, but we are teaching the real history, that isn't indoctrination. What Florida is doing, and the way all religious fundamentalists work, is through a lens of indoctrination by limiting the focus on the actual history and highlighting only the exception.
@katanacovington7595 Douglas was abiding by what he was taught by white society. At that time most white women didn't attend school, vote, or much else except stay barefoot and pregnant. So of course he wouldn't teach his wife to read. What a sick evil place amerikkka is. Land of the free? Right.
I agree, slavery was the worst thing that could happen to anyone. Being beaten, body parts cut off, raped and the mistreatment of black kids adds up to one thing, you dream and aim for anything to escape slavery. Slaves already had skills, this is why they were enslaved.. Now, tell the entire story of slavery..
They weren't enslaved because they had skills, they were enslaved in order to extract labor.
Damn RIGHT now
They are talking about specific skills that some later used to their benefit instead of for the benefit of a slave master. This doesnt make slavery ok.
Was? That klukette Klinton got the slave pens back open in Libya, same pens that got filled when the children of Europe were sold into for the Childrens Crusade.
Don't be stupid, slaves were expensive. Blacks weren't mistreated until they were freed. Study your history you'll find the Democrats were behind it all.
Kinda ironic an old black guy is being used to do the heavy rhetorical lifting in defending the usage of black people as slaves to do literal heavy lifting.
He's took it upon himself.
Thats the whole point.
This is a common tactic of white supremacy.
This is a common tactic of white supremacy.
Damn, that cuts deep.
Learning your bad history is supposed to make you feel uncomfortable enough to never do it again. This attempt to make kids feel comfortable with the horrors of slavery is a first step to making tomorrow's adults feel comfortable with fascism and authoritarianism.
We've got to vote blue 💙
In Florida, there is a move to teach actual accurate history. It's strange that Democrats are so afraid of that.
Who is that jig-a-boo that calls himself black. How much did fox pay him. House ******
@@shellimendoza7332we’ve got to do a hell of a lot more than vote blue
White kids, you mean.
We will not allow these horrible people to rewrite the history of a man like Frederick Douglass.
More and more people are recognizing the great work that he's doing :))
Ask Trump. He is doing a great job.
Allow who ? Dr. William Allen, the black co- author of the curriculum, quoted Fredrick Douglass" when he explained what he wrote. Educate yourself on both sides of an argument before you just jump on a side and comment things that make you look uneducated.
@@zook363 Is it not inherently racist to say that because the scholar is black his curricula is not?
@@Feuerbach1 Why would he be racist toward other black people ?
To pick one person, Fredrick Douglass as "benefiting" from being taught to read is just crazy. What about the 12.499 million slaves who didn't learn to read.
We’ll never learn from Uncle Tom here. I cannot believe that Douglass getting a chance to learn to read, when 99.99999% of other black Americans weren’t, is being used to excuse slavery.
They always do this. Like because there was a black president and Jay-Z is a billionaire, racism is no longer an issue.
@@Virjunior01you say they.... it was just a black man that said it, and the educational standard that they are discussing was written by a group of all black scholars? So who is they?
@@chrisosborne3679 who wrote the crt literature?
@@dinkystick that's not what they're talking about right now as far as this educational standard in Florida. Completely different conversation.
I saw my first book about the holocaust by accident at a family friends house when I was about 10 years old. I was shocked and filled with sorrow about what I saw and read. That is called empathy. Empathy will not hurt you. It makes you humane.
Teaching children the benefits of slavery would be like teaching them the benefits of jumping off of a 5-story building, in that they may end up becoming a paraplegic, but that means that they’ll be able to go to the front of the line when waiting to ride a roller coaster.
Plus they might sue someone for it and....KA-CHING!
Honestly, very well put. Even if there is a benefit to slavery (like skill acquisition), not like they could use it in a slave state or use it in a white supremacist one.
Or they might become super-human like on TV and the movies.
If Republicans want us all to live in a fantasy world, then they may as well swing for the fences.
I fully understand now how the way they see the world has everything to do with the way they practice their religious beliefs ... God is White, Jesus is White, the Disciples are White, and so how can the Founding Fathers be wrong about anything they did to create this country for God in the past, the present or the future?
Slavery has been around since before the Bible was written, who gives a sh*t really?
Reconciliation and Repentance never happened. The evil of disingenuous bigots carry on. Cursed to never tell the truth says it all in real-time.
The idea that Frederick Douglass wouldn't have succeeded without slavery is ludicrous
NOBODY SAID THAT! Geez...
@@otakurocklee not in so many words
So many well said comments
@@otakurockleethis is exactly what they’re suggesting tho. Of course they’re not going to say it explicitly.
It’s so sad that you white supremacist racists believe we don’t understand how a person not actually saying the words or commenting the act. Can still make them a racists. It’s the same as someone wanting someone killed they may never say I want you to kill them but they say shet like I want them to have a accident..we not as dumb as you all believe we are we know exactly what you racist be meaning. We are way smarter then you or your ancestors ever believed we were. It’s why we not only survived over 400 years of the evil acts of slavery and Jim Crowe. Committed against us in this country. We are the original human race on this planet Earth. The original Adam and Eve comes from Africa. We have outlived several forms of homo sub humans to become the one and only homo subspecies left on this Earth. An with the Earth heating up and getting hotter our melanin guarantees our survival once again even through this horrible climate change crisis. In other words our DNA and bodies are built to last.
So they listed a bunch of African-Americans from the 1800s who were NOT enslaved, but gave slavery credit for their skills?! Sometimes the wrong skills?! And these people are educators?? I guess they just assumed Black = slave?? This IS important, and really needs to be publicized loudly, far and wide.
Wth are you talking about... Everyone was enslaved at some point. How dare you.
@@bernadettesemple9301 You completely missed my point. Did you watch the video all the way through? Did you read the tweets and the sources provided? The curriculum lists people and their trades as examples of how they were well-served by slavery, saying they are in those trades because of what they learned. The problem is that the first several listed do not fit that parameter. They were born to freed slaves - so yes, their parents were slaves - but they were born free and thus did not learn their trades as slaves. The curriculum is WRONG. These people learned their skills ON THEIR OWN - and should not be held up as examples of how slavery benefitted anyone.
@@mc2writer I could not watch or listen to the maker of this video. But how could a free slave, after the Civil War, get skill sets? True, the Republicans, Presbyterian Churches and the freed Black Union Soldiers came in and built the Emerson School for Children and the Black Historic Colleges. Many became lawyers, Pharmacists and teachers. More graduated with College degrees 'then', up until the Civil Rights Movement. It has declined since then.
Did Allen just state that the only way Frederick Douglass would have learned to read is 100% through slavery!?!?
He's just letting Fredrick Douglas speak for himself.
Are you actually surprised? Haha
Entirely possible that would have been the case. That being said, odds are he probably would have taught himself to read.
Yes slavery taught Douglas how to read.🥴
@@rossington1680
Is slavery the best way to teach people to read? Is the point of slavery to teach people to read? Should we enslave students to teach them how to read better?
Once again Jesse Waters embarrasses his mom.
That will never not be funny to me; to think back of how he volunteered to be humiliated live on TV by revealing his own mother doesn't like him... I mean his news organization
Fox news is poisonous. Must be hard for her to watch him be such a wanker.
The teachers need to REFUSE to teach this insanity. What is wrong with this curriculum guy?!
I want to declare that Jessie Watters should henceforth be referred to as "Dumb Tucker"
Dumb something that rhymes with Tucker
So noted.
He has none of the slight charisma of Tucker Carlson. He's a poor substitude, even considing Carlson's gigantic flaws.
Fumb Ducker is maybe what you were thinking.
Dumber Tucker.
Nevermind that slavehunters specifically targeted blacksmiths, ricegrowers, and agriculturalists in Africa to grow tobacco and sugarcane. They were already smelting iron in West Africa for centuries.😐
These are some dumb want to stay igNuts we dealing w. Savages.🎯
This 🙌🏽🙌🏽
Thank you for acknowledging these facts. As an African American, I'm insulted that people that Ron DeSantis can alter my history to make himself feel superior.
That "Black" professor should be ashamed of himself for insinuating that being in bondage helped helped anyone benefit from it. For example, A prisoner can learn how to read behind bars AND be ready to take the law degree exam and become a lawyer. So does that mean that imprisoning people benefits the prison population? Can I argue that all prisoners get beneficial skills by serving time in prison? Some may to fight what put them in jail in the first place, but as a group, prisons don't teach prisoners how to live successfully.
That man on Fox should be ashamed of himself. I can only assume he has been paid off to say such disingenuous things.
He can't even look at the camera.
He’s probably Clearance Thomas’ younger brother.
@@Xenuite81I was thinking the same thing
Ashamed of what exactly?
@@JP-hj1il Of lying? Of misrepresentation of facts? Can you not simply try thinking for five second?
Imagine being a teacher and trying to explain to your students that Lifetime enslavement and bondage is a fair exchange for some life skills
being a teacher is something no republican would ever imagine, much less countenance
The guidelines do not say that or that's what should be taught.
@@williammatthews5422 It is just implied, as there would be no reason to mention any kind of supposed benefit that resulted from slavery if one was not attempting to justify it, downplay its impact on a community of people, or just generally white-wash it.
@@williammatthews5422 are being either ignorant or pretending to be. Dream on.
@DemonDante1000 The guidelines do not say enslavement was a fair exchange for learning some skills. As I recall, they say, this is a slight paraphrase, some slaves used skills they learned to their advantage. The first sentence is not implied in the second.
Let me ask you, if a slave used a skill to become free, wouldn't you deem that skill useful and used to advantage?
Only in the most depraved universe could there be any opinion that slavery had any good points for the enslaved, it is just beyond words how vile these Neo-Nazi creeps are.
It sure looks familiar as well, beam me up scotty.
Welcome to New America in the 21st Century.
The Germans doctrine, was derived from our Jim Crow laws. And even they thought we went *overboard* in some cases. 😕
The more the "normal" GOP goes down this far-right racist, fascist hell hole... the more I truly believe these fascists will have to be put down with force in the next decade or two. I used to, last couple years, laugh when people would say online that a civil war was gonna happen... now it's looking more & more like an inevitability, which is truly frightening
You say neo nazi creeps but the educational standards that they are discussing was written by a group of all black scholars. They're neo nazis?
In many southern states, it was against the law to teach slaves to read. The teacher could face jail time and the slave would be either beaten or killed. It was rare for a slave to be taught skills like blacksmithing or construction because there was a recurring fear of them stealing weapons to use in an uprising like the one in Haiti. One of the most notable aspects of former slaves is that very few had any useful skills with which to navigate the world, literacy being the greatest barrier. The vast majority ended up going back to the fields and working as servants.
Your comment is the about the only one that speaks the truth. Most these people on this link don't understand the Democrats made it against the law to teach their slaves how to read. And there had been many rebellions. One happened down in Louisiana.
Absolutely. This is ridiculous. The slaves weren't "provided" with those skills. Those skills (especially literacy) were withheld, and a few managed to achieve them IN SPITE of slavery.
@HerbeMckinney They are talking about after the republican president freed the slaves. After 700k Americans died to end slavery. When after the slaves were freed the democrat party founded the KKK in order to keep the ex slaves in line and to prevent them from getting a job with those skills. This democrat party tradition continued into the 60s with their Jim crow law and the party voting down every civil rights bill the republicans tried to pass. Then they had George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door and voting into office the grand cyclops of the KKK robby racist byrd and now they have a segregationist in the white house to carry on their racist tradition. The democrats send 500 million a year to their favorite racist org. planned parent hood. 40% of the abortions are of black babies . This was the dream of the founder margaret sanger who started it to eliminate blacks and minorities from society and the democrats are keeping her dream alive. When you combine this with the black on black crime that is slaughtering young black men in every dem run city the dream is alive and well today. Not the dream of the republican MLK who dreamed of a color blind world but of the racist democrat party and their racist traditions.
Nobody said they were "provided" those skills. Who are you arguing against? "managed to achieve them IN SPITE of slavery." again who are you arguing against? Who disagrees with this?
Some slaves learned skills that they were able to use when slavery ended. Historic fact. If Obama said it there would be no problem. If Florida teaches it they are right wing fascist racist bigots. Kamala and Emma and sammy are left wing partisan hack liars that use anything they can to bash the right. The left is evil.
@@otakurocklee Some slaves learned skills that they were able to use when slavery ended. Historic fact. If Obama said it there would be no problem. If Florida teaches it they are right wing fascist racist bigots. Kamala and Emma and sammy are left wing partisan hack liars that use anything they can to bash the right. The left is evil.
The Hebrew Slaves came to America's ALREADY BLESSED WITH SKILLS; THATS THE MAIN REASON THEY WERE BROUGHT OVER HERE TO AMERICA.
As a descendent of the enslaved, this is the equivalent to holocaust denial, this black man needs to be ashamed of himself for spreading this blasphemy.
He's what we call tethers.. skin folk not kin folk.. their only here to set us 🔙 for white supremacy. not from America chattel slavery. slavery is demonic. People like him will sell their mother 🤡 just to stand next to a white man. This pig sold his soul.
Agreed. Dude is 100% Uncle Tom.
Because why make them uncomfortable with history?? Is blatantly clear they didn’t want us to read and for what reason??? Why didn’t they teach them to read in the first place? Privilege gives you the authority to say we should be grateful even in our circumstances 😂😂😂😂
@@danilopompey754
Surely you're joking.
This coconut is so out of touch with our story. It is therefore important for us to identify these "House Niggers". Please forgive me for using these two words but I believe it is the best way to identify him.
"The man that controls history controls the future"
This is Ron DeSantis goal.
"Slaves learned valuable skills." So then what, they could find a better job? The entire premise is laughable.
Apparently, not so valuable after all.
I read that excerpt from the autobiography of Frederick Douglass every year in my English class, and this clip made me absolutely livid. Not only did Frederick Douglass *NOT* make the argument that slavery wasn't so bad because at least he learned how to read (like y'all said, he learned to read _in spite_ of slavery, not because of it), he also in that SAME PASSAGE makes the argument that the system of slavery was bad for his mistress as well as himself, because it transformed a kind-hearted woman into a cruel tyrant:
"Slavery proved as injurious to her as it did to me. When I went there, she was a pious, warm, and tender‐hearted woman. There was no sorrow or suffering for which she had not a tear. She had bread for the hungry, clothes for the naked, and comfort for every mourner that came within her reach. Slavery soon proved its ability to divest her of these heavenly qualities. Under its influence, the tender heart became stone, and the lamb‐Iike disposition gave way to one of tiger‐like fierce‐ ness. The first step in her downward course was in her ceasing to instruct me. She now commenced to practice her husband's precepts. She finally became even more violent in her opposition than her husband himself. She was not satisfied with simply doing as well as he had commanded; she seemed anxious to do better. Nothing seemed to make her more angry than to see me with a newspaper. She seemed to think that here lay the danger. I have had her rush at me with a face made all up of fury, and snatch from me a newspaper, in a manner that fully revealed her apprehension. She was an apt woman; and a little experience soon demonstrated, to her satisfaction, that education and slavery were incompatible with each other." - The Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass
Frederick Douglass spent his life using his hard-won writing skills to convince everyone he could of how absolutely evil slavery was. And now these assholes trying to use Frederick Douglass's experience to soften the harshness of what slavery was? FUCK THEM.
This was exactly 2hat I was taught about Frederick Douglas in the 80's in my crappy little southern NH. What they are doing in Florida is sick and disgraceful.
No one made the argument slavery wasn't that bad for Douglas because he learned to read while a slave.
@@williammatthews5422it’s implied, can you be that dim not to understand, or do your feelings blind you.
@Glumclam It's not implied. Thats not the point of the story at all. You are too dim and too partisan to see that. Lol.
Where did he say that slavery was not so bad?
Using the excuse of "well, a few slaves benefited in minor ways, so it means slavery was beneficial for them." Is borderline disturbing. There is no justification for slavery. Period. They always seem to ignore the millions of slaves that were treated like cattle, and it really speaks on how terrible slaves were treated when the best defense of it is the fact that the best treated slaves were treated like dogs.
Oldest Fox trick in the book, get the Black guy to say it .
What a buffoon!
That's their go to...
Their token.
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But, the reason Douglas couldn’t read to begin with was because he WAS a slavery & denied equality & education. It was illegal for slaves to read.
If he wasn’t a slave he would have learned to read in SCHOOL!
This is beyond reality that we as a society could get to this point. I can't even begin to comprehend this logic. People wonder why African Americans have issues with conservatives and Republicans, this utter foolishness is case in point.
@HerbeMckinney They are talking about after the republican president freed the slaves. After 700k Americans died to end slavery. When after the slaves were freed the democrat party founded the KKK in order to keep the ex slaves in line and to prevent them from getting a job with those skills. This democrat party tradition continued into the 60s with their Jim crow law and the party voting down every civil rights bill the republicans tried to pass. Then they had George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door and voting into office the grand cyclops of the KKK robby racist byrd and now they have a segregationist in the white house to carry on their racist tradition. The democrats send 500 million a year to their favorite racist org. planned parent hood. 40% of the abortions are of black babies . This was the dream of the founder margaret sanger who started it to eliminate blacks and minorities from society and the democrats are keeping her dream alive. When you combine this with the black on black crime that is slaughtering young black men in every dem run city the dream is alive and well today. Not the dream of the republican MLK who dreamed of a color blind world but of the racist democrat party and their racist traditions.
Until Trump I didn't realize how many black conservative tools there really was out here in the world.
Self hatred is sad. The emotions that I feel hearing black people justify enslavement is indiscernible.
@@maxpowers123 Well said. From your fingers to Dr. Allen's ears.
Eyes.
Whatever.
I too was shocked how my tools on u tube also
@HerbeMckinney They are talking about after the republican president freed the slaves. After 700k Americans died to end slavery. When after the slaves were freed the democrat party founded the KKK in order to keep the ex slaves in line and to prevent them from getting a job with those skills. This democrat party tradition continued into the 60s with their Jim crow law and the party voting down every civil rights bill the republicans tried to pass. Then they had George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door and voting into office the grand cyclops of the KKK robby racist byrd and now they have a segregationist in the white house to carry on their racist tradition. The democrats send 500 million a year to their favorite racist org. planned parent hood. 40% of the abortions are of black babies . This was the dream of the founder margaret sanger who started it to eliminate blacks and minorities from society and the democrats are keeping her dream alive. When you combine this with the black on black crime that is slaughtering young black men in every dem run city the dream is alive and well today. Not the dream of the republican MLK who dreamed of a color blind world but of the racist democrat party and their racist traditions.
Right? At least Obama gave the people Gay Marriage.
But teaching slaves to read was against the freaking law!!! So, WTH is that dude saying?
A slave learning to read was literally an act of rebellion. It’s like saying prisons provide the service of teaching you how to escape prisons.
Well said!
Geez... who are you arguing against? "It’s like saying prisons provide the service of teaching you how to escape prisons." Who is saying slavery provided a service? You just want to be act outraged over nothing.
The curriculum says slaves learned skills that he could use for his personal benefit. Your own post admits slaves learned to read, and they were able to use it for their personal benefit. There's nothing different in what you said and what the curriculum said.
Read the curriculum.
Nothing the curriculum says is in any way in conflict with what you wrote? What exactly are you acting so outraged about?
@@otakurocklee Again, a solution in search of a problem for YOU. Seriously, there's no need to read revisionist history especially when it's coming out the mouth of these people. Seriously, you're carrying the water for the wrong horse here.
@@otakurocklee STOP TRYING TO PUT A POSITIVE SPIN ON SLAVERY!!!! That's why we are outraged! It was horrible and inhumane! Slaves had to sneak and learn to read and you mention it like it was a nice little school were they were taught. Just tell the damn truth regardless of what light it shines on your evil ancestors.
@@otakurocklee First of all, you didn’t read the curriculum, don’t lie. It does involve teaching that slavery provided a sort of service (it uses the word benefit) of teaching skills to slaves. This is dumb for a variety of reasons. First of all, it implies that slaves couldn’t have learned these things on their own, which is absurd as nothing particularly advanced was taught to them. Second, they used reading as an example, which WAS NOT ALLOWED for most slaves, and you would have to have an incredibly poor knowledge of United States history to believe otherwise. Third, this is all obviously a ploy to de-legitimize the plight of African Americans by saying they were actually never really victims in this country. Just one step, but in the wrong direction.
If you didn’t want to read all that, here’s the summary: it’s demonstrably false revisionist history, and politically motivated. Only an idiot or a racist could believe their justifications.
It’s horrible that we’ve watched the Republican Party move to the right of David Duke
How? By wanting real and accurate history to be taught? Democrats don't want accurate history. That's why they are freaking out over this.
Exactly 💯
True. David Duke would never dare to say such things publicly.
@HerbeMckinney They are talking about after the republican president freed the slaves. After 700k Americans died to end slavery. When after the slaves were freed the democrat party founded the KKK in order to keep the ex slaves in line and to prevent them from getting a job with those skills. This democrat party tradition continued into the 60s with their Jim crow law and the party voting down every civil rights bill the republicans tried to pass. Then they had George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door and voting into office the grand cyclops of the KKK robby racist byrd and now they have a segregationist in the white house to carry on their racist tradition. The democrats send 500 million a year to their favorite racist org. planned parent hood. 40% of the abortions are of black babies . This was the dream of the founder margaret sanger who started it to eliminate blacks and minorities from society and the democrats are keeping her dream alive. When you combine this with the black on black crime that is slaughtering young black men in every dem run city the dream is alive and well today. Not the dream of the republican MLK who dreamed of a color blind world but of the racist democrat party and their racist traditions.
RON EVEN NAMED HIS DAUGHTER MAMIE
Frederick Douglas was born a free man and was never a slave.
As a child I was inspired by Douglas' autobiography, hearing this was appalling.
When I was in college, I had to read Douglass's Autobiography. It was heart wrenching and at times I fought back the tears. I can already picture many teachers, looking at her class of eighth graders and just saying, "I can't. I just cant" and then proceed with the truth.
I was educated in South Florida from middle school through college. My history teacher in college brought in Civil War experts and re-enactors to go in depth. Our textbook brought up the issue of states rights and the fact that the confederate convention never mentioned the word slavery. The expert brought it home for us: state rights to do what?
@@sharonrinkiewicz3940 You have it right here. States rights to undermine the freedoms everyone has fought for. Freedom to sell off the future of our children to corporations for a quick profit. Freedom to destroy the land. But no freedom for those children who's very equity will be stunted through poor education. No freedom for the families that support them. No freedom for the brainwashed underclass voting to pay low wage jobs even less. No freedom for anyone but the wealthy.
It was X for me ❤
If Douglass was so endeared to his mistress for teaching him to read, why did he "runaway"?
I recommend reading his autobiography. It is one you can not put down. I read the entire thing in 3 hours cover to cover. Eye opening.
And his first wife was smart enough to forge the documents for him.
@@reneem3895And he wouldnt even teach her to read. Their kids taught her
@katanacovington7595 damn, was he agaisnt his wife reading? Guess just because he was an icon doesn't mean he could escape all the bad things of the time
@@NopeUghUghAbsolutelyNot Then why did he need her to forge documents for him?!?
I wonder if school libraries in Florida carry "Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass An American Slave Written by Himself," published in 1845. It's pretty heavy going.
99% of slaves died in slavery. what good was any skills they learned?
They were of tremendous use... to their masters. Everything they were taught was for the good of the rich owners. Anything extra was either a rare act of charity or (more often) something they learned on their own in spite of their slavery.
@@JohnEusebioToronto SKILLED slaves in stone masonry or carpentry were hired out to other plantations and the slave owner kept the wages,
@@JohnEusebioToronto Like a temp agency. where the agent kept your wages and gave you a bowl of beans for your efforts maybe a few pigs' feet. and slept with your 12-year-old daughter. Slavery was great for the master and his family
Some used them to buy their freedom.
@@williammatthews5422 Still, that is NOT a benefit to the enslaved.
Everytime I think these people can’t get any worse I find myself disappointed that there is a new low.
@HerbeMckinney They are talking about after the republican president freed the slaves. After 700k Americans died to end slavery. When after the slaves were freed the democrat party founded the KKK in order to keep the ex slaves in line and to prevent them from getting a job with those skills. This democrat party tradition continued into the 60s with their Jim crow law and the party voting down every civil rights bill the republicans tried to pass. Then they had George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door and voting into office the grand cyclops of the KKK robby racist byrd and now they have a segregationist in the white house to carry on their racist tradition. The democrats send 500 million a year to their favorite racist org. planned parent hood. 40% of the abortions are of black babies . This was the dream of the founder margaret sanger who started it to eliminate blacks and minorities from society and the democrats are keeping her dream alive. When you combine this with the black on black crime that is slaughtering young black men in every dem run city the dream is alive and well today. Not the dream of the republican MLK who dreamed of a color blind world but of the racist democrat party and their racist traditions.
It's like talking about the Titanic and requiring that the focus shouldn't be the iceberg, but how beautiful the linens and chandeliers were instead of mentioning the deaths caused by the iceberg.
So Douglas had to be taught to read in secret as a opposed to being free and equal where he would've learned to read without need for secrecy.
This guy doesn't speak for me or many other black people 😢
I stand with you brother.
What's worse, is that many people take him serious. But, it stands to reason that Reagan would appoint this type of person instead of a real civil rights leader.
@@thorntonwilliams3851exactly
@@thorntonwilliams3851the people who are trump supporters, even biden supporters know it’s bullshit
FOX SHOULD FIRE JESSE WATERS BEFORE HE GETS THEM SUED AGAIN.
He was breaking the law when he learned to read. It’s insane to say that’s a benefit of slavery!
Nobody said there were "benefits to slavery." You are just making things up. The curriculum says "slaves developed skills that could be used for personal benefit." It's about slaves acquiring skills in spite of the horrible circumstances they were in.
@@otakurocklee You don't personally benefit from an acquired skill if your a slave. All your skills go to benefit the master/owner.
@@otakurocklee using your logic, human trafficked people picked up skills as well.
@@otakurocklee Nah you clearly don't watch the news. Ron DeSatan has specifically said SIaves benefited from sIavery.
Also sIaves already had those skills. (Hint: the reason they were forced to work against their will.)
Show one document were the sIave owner taught the sIave skills, working skills
It was against Democrat's Laws, "Slave Codes", for slaves to be taught how to read & write. The Democrat's, farther or back when they were called The Whig Party, over in England; made laws against teaching anyone that was both Irish & Catholic. Eventually these people lost their farms and lands. The Whigs loaded them up on slave ships and sent them to The 13 Colonies and their Sugar Plantations. Getting ready for the Civil War, the Democrats brought in Irish immigrants on board their empty Cotton Ships and paid them to fight in the Civil War, so the Democrats could maintain their slave labor. Now, isn't that wild. The Irish were so decimated as a people, that they came over here and fought for the very same Political Party, that destroy their country and turned them into slaves. If you don't think fear & brainwashing works. Ask the Irish.
Thank you for showing us who you are. We will keep it in mind Waters. The Black people who were literally thrown overboard for whatever reason would like you to know, theg DID NOT benefit from slavery!
Black people were thrown over board so the ships patrolling at sea wouldn't stop them.
He never once looked up into anyone's eyes! That alone is red flags.
I noticed that too shameful!
This is like saying sex trafficked women "get to travel."
Fredrick Douglass's autobiography should be required reading in every school.
It just came in the mail
Yes! When he said it was always the slavemasters that claimed religion that were the worst to him, I have not forgotten that. Seeing so many white evangelicals support the hate being spewed from the republican party, seems like not much has changed.
Fully agreed! Rest in peace Mr. Fredrick Douglass, your struggle continues..
10000000% AGREE
Can he even hold his head up while telling lies.
Can we talk about the fact that the gentleman never looks up at the camera. Almost seems like he is just reading a rough draft script that had just been put in front of him.
This was a great response to Florida's madness, as well as that curriculum author. Thank you for diving further into the research to find the truth and share it with everyone. I appreciate it 🙏🏾 😊
If you are afraid of the shameful past, lets teach it to change the future and acknowledge it to make sure it will never ne repeated.
Thankfully, I was taught exactly what you said in your rebuttal to their BS. I grew up in an extremely conservative small town. Why is it just now a debate over these facts? Tells you that it’s all performative “bullshit”.
My hypothesis is that they want future generations to be less equipped and capable to defy authoritarianism. Since their ability to legitimately win elections is decreasing fast (on the national stage it's already gone), authoritarianism is their only path to acquire and retain power.
I wonder how long it took them to find a black man like this guy ?
He was t***** diversity appointee!! Wrap your head around that!
They're everywhere
Like clarence Thomas ,tim Scott , brandon of Florida, they have a small affirmative action network of bois 😊
They call them the “good ones” 😂
@@bro6568in black community we call them
Buck dancers for massa
Really the Dr. should’ve started with the fact that the Mistress of the House BROKE THE LAW by teaching Fredrick Douglas how to read.
Curious minds will ask “why was it illegal to teach slaves how to read?” And that is the question those who choose to revise history do not want to deal with.
I hope it pays well to look and talk exactly like Uncle Ruckus.
Indeed it does. White people love marginalized groups to denigrate the group they belong to. So that white racist can deflect from their racism.
I bet it does.
He looks more like Clayton Bigsby trying to emulate Thomas Sowell
Jessie Waters thinking he can set the record straight on Frederick Douglas…..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love it! As an educated 62 year old black man, I'm stunned by the wish to perpetuate lies and distortion about history. Grow up America, and deal with the reality of our painful past!👍🙏❤️
This is the reason why history is so important: If we don't lean from it, we're destined to repeat it.
Whatever skills and knowledge slaves learned in slavery were the result of their own perseverance and the help of other slaves. It was not anything that white slave owners did for them unless there was absolutely no alternative to them learning a skill.
Next week on Fox: "The Capos who worked in the death camps learned skills they would not have learned outside the camps, such as ingratiating yourself to n@zis and new techniques to incinerate bodies."
@@nerag7459 Yes, this BS on Fox is almost this bizarre and stupid, I agree!!
The fact that they needed laws to prevent reveals as much.
"It was not anything that white slave owners did for them unless there was absolutely no alternative to them learning a skill." Who are you arguing with? "the result of their own perseverance and the help of other slaves"... again who said otherwise? Do you just want something to be fake outraged about?
@@otakurocklee I'm arguing with the guy on the video, Duh. Does everyone you disagree with engage in "fake outrage"? I'm arguing with THIS BS on THIS video that somehow SLAVERY was beneficial slaves. Anything slaves got out of slavery, they got IN SPITE OF their owners, and IN SPITE OF the way the entire system of slavery was set up. Is it now clear enough who I am arguing with? To act like there is some "good side" to slavery is absurd.
I mean, Fox literally has a neon sign above them shouting “villain”.
He said the people who lived should tell the story. No, let the people who died and suffered from it, tell the Store
Why am I not surprised
They make their millions buy mis informing its audience
Because.....it's Fox News?
@aggressiveattitudeera887 it's their brand, duh!
It's like if someone says "sure I beat my wife, but she's learning resiliency"
Even if partially true why even bring it up?
Sick, sick people.
This whole situation is sickening it’s shameful that anyone could say that slavery was a benefit to slaves.
READ the bill....
I want to say so much. As an ally, I would rather let my black and brown brothers and sisters take the lead on this one. I support you all in what you express about him, no matter how negative. Please tear him a new one!
Such a brilliant retort - if not for slavery there would have been many many Frederick Douglas'. Set, game, and match my brother.
If not for slavery there wouldn't be a need for a Frederick Douglass.
While he's right, technically, if it weren't for slavery, there would be no Frederick Douglass.
@@theendofanerror4173 absolutely ignorant comment - no slavery no Douglas;
so if not for polio there would not have been a Jonas Salk; if not for the Holocaust there would be no Anne Frank,
how utterly stupid.
Thank you all for covering this this way! VERY IMPORTANT WORK! RESPECT1
Oh My God!!! Fox News found the real Clayton Bigsby😂
With eyesight.
Dave was ahead of his time with that sellout character.
Also, what exactly did Kamala Harris lie about? We never heard that part.....
Jesse tried to get him to call her a liar, but neither pointed out the lie. Usual gaslighting from faux news. Their audience will just go away believing the VP lied.
Thanks for taking the time to investigate and tell the truth.
Yeah,slaves learned beneficial life skills that they could teach other slaves, but the most beneficial life skill that a slave learned was " don't try to escape" because if you did, then Massah would either sick the dogs on ya, cut off your toes or both.
Or earn you a good lashing.
@@barbiquearea gotta learn those self beneficial skills.
As a Floridian what I have learned from local news is that there were 13 members of this African American History standards workshop my local news report and had on live two of the black members that were not even asked let alone told that this was going to be part of the standard. It seems that Dr. Allen and Ms. Rice hijacked the workshop and you can't even get a list of the members of that workshop. Florida Education Commissioner Manny Diaz Jr. who was appointed by DeSantis was the state senator that wrote the bill SB 148 The Individual Freedom Act that banned CRT and let the white children not to feel guilty. Why is it when republiCONS pass bills banning what used to be called teaching sound so pro freedom. He is a cuban who education experience was a social studies teacher and a baseball coach for 4 years and then promoted to vice principal for 8 years. In the 90's he denied drug use and inappropriate comments to female students blaming political attacks by Democrats and in 2012 he filed for bankruptcy for 1.3 million so he wasn't good at math. The Florida Board of Education has no black members the chair and vice chair are white republican men and the other 6 are republican women they approved the workshops standard along with the commis Manny Diaz. And Yes Dr. Allen is lifelong republiCON hack the original Candace Owens.
I learned about Fredrick Douglas and many others who managed to do great things DESPITE slavery. Never needed it framed as benefits they received because of slavery. It should always be framed as these great people smashed to do these things despite the oppressive system they were in.
Why do ppl keep saying slaves couldn't read? It's a damn lie. The slaves kidnapped and brought to a foreign land, could not read the foreign language. They could read & write their own language.
The mistress of his slave owner also filled him with pity because she also went from a nice person to turning into a cold, cruel asshole since you can't own a human and treat them as a slave without becoming a depraved freak. He goes into how, on reflection, it was one of the saddest things he learned about human nature and what slavery does to people who are forced to reconcile with their society. You can either be a decent human or a slaver.
If Frederick Douglass wasn't a slave, he wouldn't have wound up on trial for being literate.
The same people who go on about kids being "too coddled" also think kids can't handle actual history because it might hurt their feelings.
It is not strictly propaganda, for them it's more like confession
Let's also understand something: The enslaved, the ones from Africa and those turned into slaves that were Native, knew their language. The enslaved were not ignorant people they just didn't know how to read the English language. They had to learn the language and then learn to read it. Those aren't ignorant people. They brought physical skills with them. They knew how to grow food and build things.
I’m glad they are teaching about Fredrick Douglas, I look forward to seeing the curriculum on “What to the Slave is the Fourth of July” surely they will include that as well, since this is about truth after all.
The real gag is some of them same Florida school boards have removed Frederick Douglass's autobiography from their curriculum.😊
Really????
What better way to hide his true history and replace it with this false narrative?
The Fox guest literally sounds like he's reading a note with a gun pressed to his back
In DeSaster’s Snowflake State, slavery is *trade school*.
Maybe he should make slavery a 2 year mandatory service so he wouldn’t need to ship immigrants to Martha’s Vineyard.
Because allowing Fredrick Douglas his freedom and the ability to enroll in school would have had a horrible outcome.
What intrigued me as a black child reading Frederick Douglas's biography was that he was self educated. Books became a respected source of knowledge. The number one offense was not to let slaves learn to read. I always asked why though it became cleareras i hot older. Thanks Frederick Douglass. It also helped that my mom was a librarian.😊😊
WTF was that guy trying to say with that crap? "Let the people who lived the stories tell the stories." Are they going to line up behind Fredrick Douglas and say, " Yep best thing that ever happened to me was being a slave during the time ol' Fred was learning to read. Ahh yes, good times!"
How can a slave benefit from any skill? A slave is a property, an object, so any skill acquired benefits the owner of the object. The skills acquired have only one purpose, to improve the value of the property. How can an object benefit from any skills? If someone says but but the slave is a human being… The reality is that the humanity of the slave was not recognized, legally it was an object. The only time people talked about humanity was when people had to decide whether it was a slave or a human being...
In 1867 a government program was create to teach farming skills in Alabama
Before "Slavery" our ancestors did know how to read and write, JUST NOT the words and alphabet of the enslavers also our ancestors had knowledge of tilling soil, among other skills, trades,and practices!!!!!!
And was smelting iron long before they ever laid eyes on a white man.
You guys are the best! Thanks for exposing this. Of course, I knew the whole curriculum was crap, but this is stunning.
Looks like Fox has not been sued enough
The thing is, conservatives just don't actually think slavery was bad.
Also, 4:25, WHAT ELSE DID HE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT SLAVERY MY GUY?
I think you're right. In fact, they wish slavery still existed so they could see all the Black people where they belong.
Kids will call BS on that fake history real fast.
Not all of them
Assuming little kids would know better assumes that they had already learned the truth...some big assumptions in that wishful thinking statement.
This is a prime example of what the denial of black history being taught in schools look like. For decades, Black History was minimized in a lot of schools and people don’t know the history. Black history is American History and should be taught en masse for everyone to understand how this country came to be and how it used slavery for hundreds of years to build the nation into what it is today. It’s an uncomfortable fact but necessary. If these people think learning about it is uncomfortable, imagine living it. Hearing your parents, grandparent, and great grands, share these uncomfortable truths.
The inspiration was Not from the mistress to learn but from the master. Yes. The key to freedom. His understanding. Phenomenal! Thank you.