Just a suggestion: an army of just timurid fire works ( forgot name) vs just armored Scottish pikemen Not much to learn from it, but quite spectacular to watch
@@Valpo2004 Tell that to the Milita Hoplites, Nile Spearmen, and Mercenary Hoplites who despite having Phalanx still lost anyway against any of the tougher Heavy Cavalry units. Hell Milita Hoplites only really beat Chariots and the weakest Elephants last I remember.
It has to be noted that even with the best of the best Pike Phalanx unit, proper heavy cavalry still got through the pikewall. The Royal Pikemen lost about 10 men from the initial charge of the Greek Early Bodyguard. Companion Cavalry inflicted just under 20 from the charge. The heavy cavalrymen got through but the Royal Pikes' stats were still so high that the cav didn't last long in melee. Lower tiers of Pike formations don't have those really nice overall stats that the Royal Pikes have. So they suffer a lot more if something gets into melee. You'll find on campaign, early on when you're using Tier 2 Levy Pikemen and Tier 3 Phalanx Pikemen, that heavy cav charges do get through and inflict heavy casualties. I mean... It's better than Princepes, Hastati, etc eating a heavy cavalry charge to the face for sure but it will cost the Hellenic player. They better be ready to back the unit up in case they break, especially Levy Pikes. The regularity of Roman bodyguards smashing up Levy Pikes from a full frontal charge and yet still ready pike unit happened very frequently.
Still better then literally any other unit for the job and the fact even the most powerful Pike unit is cheaper than any of those late bodyguards yet can still beat them only proves that. Besides, even if a Late Roman bodyguard can beat Levy Pikes, they are so cheap by comparison yet deal so much damage for just one alone that if that Roman Bodyguard had to face the amount of Levy Pikes for its own cost it would get soundly defeated.
The best Anti Cavalry unit in the whole game. Yeah, Spartans may win out in a fight with them but even they are affected by the shorter spear length which means heavy cavalry has a better time getting through their ranks while Royal Pikemen can spread themselves to be as wide as Spartans and still do more damage simply due to their long pike length. They are also a better campaign unit for the simple fact they can be recruited everywhere instead of just two regions, being cheaper being an added bonus. Of course, Phalanx Pikemen and even Levies are better in the campaign by the fact they are available early, are even cheaper, and take only one turn to recruit while performing almost as good and with upgrades can be just as if not better. But still, Macedon has the honor of having the best anti-cavalry unit in the whole game bar none.
I want to see how they all do charging the Royal Pikemen from the rear instead. (side note war elephants outperformed the armoured elephants by 2 kills - again)
Obviously, they would win, you might as well do the same with all infantries or even other cavalry units and almost all of them will lose because flanking is that OP.
Horses, too. They don't like running into big solid objects (dense infantry formations) with lots of long pointy things. It's why even later in the 18th and 19th century warfare, despite lance and sword equipped cavalry still being around, infantry staying together for close protection + muskets and bayonets could defend against them. Bayonet fitted muskets had less reach than spears and pikes and it still worked. The threat of cavalry even in these much later eras was why you saw stuff like line infantry marching into battle in dense formations. If they were in looser formations they'd get easily overrun and destroyed by cavalry.
@@Warmaker01 That's a misconception based on later Horses refusing to charge into bayonet infantry when we have sources saying all the time that they were fine with charging into Pike Walls in earlier time periods. Obviously, cavalry would lose most of the time, but they would and could charge into long pointy sticks and if the cavalrymen were armored enough, they could even win, especially if their long pointy sticks were longer then the enemies. The reason they won't now is suggested to be an evolutionary change that came from Horses either being bred and trained not to do so because mankind wanted their horses to not be wasted since they were precious for far more than just being used for warfare, or because the horses themselves developed genetic fear of long pointy sticks to the point they now refuse to ever charge in even if their rider tries to force them to do so.
Well, I am glad I did not bet money on this!
;) Thanks for the comment.
This one went as expected
Agreed. Thanks for the comment.
Just a suggestion: an army of just timurid fire works ( forgot name) vs just armored Scottish pikemen
Not much to learn from it, but quite spectacular to watch
Thanks for the comment. I will add that to To-Do list :)
As i expected. Seems that royal pikemen are very strong!
Agreed on that :) Thanks for the comment.
Well the setup is purposely advantageous to the pikemen. Any frontal assault with cav into full stack pikemen is hopeless
@@Valpo2004 Tell that to the Milita Hoplites, Nile Spearmen, and Mercenary Hoplites who despite having Phalanx still lost anyway against any of the tougher Heavy Cavalry units. Hell Milita Hoplites only really beat Chariots and the weakest Elephants last I remember.
This kinda content is amazing
Thank You! :)
It has to be noted that even with the best of the best Pike Phalanx unit, proper heavy cavalry still got through the pikewall. The Royal Pikemen lost about 10 men from the initial charge of the Greek Early Bodyguard. Companion Cavalry inflicted just under 20 from the charge. The heavy cavalrymen got through but the Royal Pikes' stats were still so high that the cav didn't last long in melee. Lower tiers of Pike formations don't have those really nice overall stats that the Royal Pikes have. So they suffer a lot more if something gets into melee.
You'll find on campaign, early on when you're using Tier 2 Levy Pikemen and Tier 3 Phalanx Pikemen, that heavy cav charges do get through and inflict heavy casualties. I mean... It's better than Princepes, Hastati, etc eating a heavy cavalry charge to the face for sure but it will cost the Hellenic player. They better be ready to back the unit up in case they break, especially Levy Pikes. The regularity of Roman bodyguards smashing up Levy Pikes from a full frontal charge and yet still ready pike unit happened very frequently.
Still better then literally any other unit for the job and the fact even the most powerful Pike unit is cheaper than any of those late bodyguards yet can still beat them only proves that. Besides, even if a Late Roman bodyguard can beat Levy Pikes, they are so cheap by comparison yet deal so much damage for just one alone that if that Roman Bodyguard had to face the amount of Levy Pikes for its own cost it would get soundly defeated.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed, especially on harder difficulties :)
OMG they are Sons of Alexander
Indeed :) Thanks for the comment.
“Nice argument. Unfortunately, I have a very long stabbing stick!”
Well put :D Thanks for the comment.
Steppe Swordsmen vs Woad Warriors
BTW in my last suggestion I meant Chosen Axemen from Germania, not the BI version.
Thanks for the comment. I will add that to To-Do list :)
@@qualityoldgames7721 Hope you also have a match between the two versions of Chosen Axemen from OG and BI go at it.
@@rorschach1985ify I will add that to To-Do list (and those will probably be in Remastered ;))
The best Anti Cavalry unit in the whole game. Yeah, Spartans may win out in a fight with them but even they are affected by the shorter spear length which means heavy cavalry has a better time getting through their ranks while Royal Pikemen can spread themselves to be as wide as Spartans and still do more damage simply due to their long pike length. They are also a better campaign unit for the simple fact they can be recruited everywhere instead of just two regions, being cheaper being an added bonus.
Of course, Phalanx Pikemen and even Levies are better in the campaign by the fact they are available early, are even cheaper, and take only one turn to recruit while performing almost as good and with upgrades can be just as if not better. But still, Macedon has the honor of having the best anti-cavalry unit in the whole game bar none.
Agreed on that :) Thanks for the comment.
Actually impressed by the cataphracts.
Yea, they did give it a good try :) Thanks for the comment.
I want to see how they all do charging the Royal Pikemen from the rear instead.
(side note war elephants outperformed the armoured elephants by 2 kills - again)
Obviously, they would win, you might as well do the same with all infantries or even other cavalry units and almost all of them will lose because flanking is that OP.
Thanks for the comment. I guess we need a new series with rear charge :)
As if there was any doubt!
Yea, it was quite clear :) Thanks for the comment.
😂😂😂😂😂 the best pikemen in the game beat any cavalry from front easy busy 😊😊🎉🎉😅😅❤❤
Agreed on that :) Thanks for the comment.
Well i guess in reality, u cant even charge on a wall of spikes with an elephant. They are pretty smart u know, the elephants.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed on that :)
Horses, too. They don't like running into big solid objects (dense infantry formations) with lots of long pointy things. It's why even later in the 18th and 19th century warfare, despite lance and sword equipped cavalry still being around, infantry staying together for close protection + muskets and bayonets could defend against them. Bayonet fitted muskets had less reach than spears and pikes and it still worked.
The threat of cavalry even in these much later eras was why you saw stuff like line infantry marching into battle in dense formations. If they were in looser formations they'd get easily overrun and destroyed by cavalry.
@@Warmaker01 That's a misconception based on later Horses refusing to charge into bayonet infantry when we have sources saying all the time that they were fine with charging into Pike Walls in earlier time periods. Obviously, cavalry would lose most of the time, but they would and could charge into long pointy sticks and if the cavalrymen were armored enough, they could even win, especially if their long pointy sticks were longer then the enemies. The reason they won't now is suggested to be an evolutionary change that came from Horses either being bred and trained not to do so because mankind wanted their horses to not be wasted since they were precious for far more than just being used for warfare, or because the horses themselves developed genetic fear of long pointy sticks to the point they now refuse to ever charge in even if their rider tries to force them to do so.
If the elephants hadn’t routed they’d have won.
Probably :) Thanks for the comment.
1:45 😂😂😂😂
:D He was in a bit of a hurry. Thanks for the comment.
Wannabe Spartans
Indeed :) Thanks for the comment.