Just a quick correction: At 1:42:31 I talk a bit about the different lineages and how the names of the parents impact the first letter of their child/descendant. There are two exceptions to this with Morgott and Mohg, both of whom are children of Godfrey, but unlike his descendants, their names don't begin with a G, most likely due to their "Omen Curse". Just wanted to make that correction for the sake of accuracy 👍 Edit: A lot of people have been commenting about the section where I mention that there should be a shortcut for Rennala, saying that there shouldn't be a stake of Marika for lore reasons, and while I completely understand that, my point was more that the run back made the fight less fun. I probably could have worded this a bit better, but what I was trying to say was I think there should be at least something there, whether it be another site of grace, a broken stake or a secret third thing, just something there to make it less of a drag. Hope everyone is liking the video otherwise though 👍
confused about the comment on rennalas boss run. there shouldn’t be a single enemy encounter on the run back, save for the rolling ball on the bridge. if you run straight out the red wolf door and then run right, jump onto the support of the bridge, then over the rail, you just have to dodge the ball, kill the NPC only one time and then never again, and then you’re at the elevator for the fight. it’s less than a minute for sure. the stake isn’t necessary
There is a shortcut for the Rennala fight, if you take a left at moongrums hangout spot you can cross a bridge and open a door. From there it cuts the run down to about a minute and you only have to dodge 3 sorcerers. Great video! 👍
I know the phrase “wish i could go back and play game all over again for the first time” gets said a lot but Bloodborne really is that game for me. Nothing comes even close to that miraculous time when I was introduced to Bloodborne
Absolutely 👍 Played Elden Ring as my first Souls game. Though have now stepped into the world of Bloodborne and personally have a greater enjoyment for it, a truly incredible game.
Funny i always go back and start a new character on bloodborne not because i took a break or anything but because NG+ is extremely hard and I dont wanna grind Cuuuumfpk if you know what i mean
Bloodborne the memorable part for me was story and combat. For elden ring it was the sheer amazement of exploration and the world. Elden ring transcended ‘some memorable aspects’ for me. Both are dear to me and the first playthroughs were my best memories in gaming.
As a pc player who plays games at 120 fps 30 just burns my eyes and makes it harder to enjoy the game also it not having a better version for ps5 or even a pc port caused me to not replay it after i got the platinum
@@Jim-Bagel your eyes become used to a set fps, trying to switch to a lower fps will become jarring, you can eventually get used to the lower fps if you stick to it, however most wont. Furthermore higher fps makes games more responsive. There are more factors, for example playing 60fps using a controller will feel smoother and mouse and keyboard, motion blur helps make a game appear visually smoother aswell.
The best part for BB for me was when I increased my insight high enough to realize the hidden and more twisted world around me. It does feel very Lovecraftian and induced a quick feeling of existential crisis in me when it happened.
@@trevorveillette8415 Then enlighten me genius one. What are these existential elements that a game should have to induce that "quick feeling of existential crisis"? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Father Gascoigne was just a brilliant boss. Him and the Blood Starved beast were my two favorites the first time through. They teach you to be proactive, not reactive. You get your absolute shit kicked in by trying to play it slow and safe. It's only when you stop dodging backwards and start taking risks that you start to excel at Bloodborne.
There is always one in the comments. And yes. For those not blessed by the gaming gods learning to stop going back and being defensive and to go against nature/training to find safe in being aggressive is an experience I have never had in any other game. My only question is why fromsoft have not revisited this IP. My unfounded two cents is that there are legal reasons. Hands down the best game they have made for how it plays and the natural fit of their weirdness with lore (no disrespect to Mr Martin, but Lovecraft has this on lock).
@@Dave-vu3ynSony owns the IP, they hired From as a third party to develop the game and we all know how Sony is when it comes to exclusives lmao Besides it did not do so amazing in terms of sales so Sony isn't going to risk putting in the effort. We probably will never see BB2 as much as it pains me.
Dark Souls = A story about people touching things they shouldn't. Elden Ring = The story of ctrl + v Bloodborne = The story of you making it to that bridge in mensis with two winter lanterns which leads to the next journey to the store to buy a new controller.
@@TwointheKLINK not an actual boss, but the bridge in Mensis that has the pair of Winter Lanterns. No matter how much resistance to frenzy I have, the pair of them after the first at the front of the bridge will take me out more than half the time. This is after playing enough to no hit Orphan, no death Shark duo, etc. For some reason that bridge gets me.
I do love elden ring. I spent about 400 hours on it. But nothing left the impact on me and brought me to from software as did bloodborne. I logged 2200 hours playing it. BB was nearly perfect. Elden ring is a great game. But it didn’t beat the feel of playing BB for the first time.
Bloodborn hands down us better imo. Quality over quantity. Blooborne is a 20 - 30 hour game that is pretty much 10/10 from beginning to end while elden ring is 110 hours long and hovers between 6/10 to 10/10 like a rollercoaster. ER is a great game but has plenty of flaws. Bloodborne i need to think hard to find faults. (Vial/bullet farming is annoying i guess)
Stop lying to yourself bro,bloodborne main game bosses are trash,and the run backs are actually not fun,quality of life is just non existent,and even the dlc which is the most fun I had in bloodborne had a few flaws like Ludwig phase 1,living failures,bs hit boxes,bloodborne overall is an 8/10 experience carried heavily by the dlc,and Elden ring is a 10/10 for sure.bloodborne is one of the most flawed games I’ve played even though I still think it’s really good.
@@GregoThe3rd disagree. Also whats wrong with ludwig phase 1? Far more problems in ER than bloodborne imo especially with regard to repetition. I liked most bosses in bloodborne. They were too easy but were fun
@@Terron29 besides a select few main game bosses,every boss in the main game is not fun to fight in the slightest,some of the worst bosses in the souls series,Ludwig phase 1 sucks the joy out of me,bullshit charge and annoying asf,phase 2 is perfect though,not saying bloodborne has worse repetition than Elden ring but it also has some aswell,chalice dungeon rom and ebrietas,in the late game normal yharnam mobs get re used too much aswell
@@GregoThe3rd thats fair enough. I loved ludwig I must say. I think the chalice dungeons kinda sucked but they can be mostly ignored thankfully. I think the enemy repetition didnt seem nearly as bad to me in BB coz the game is so much shorter. When you spend 100 plus hours in a game I think the flaws or aspects you dislike grind your gears a lot more because you spend longer dealing with them. I wanted to throw my damn controller behind me when I fought another ulcerated tree spirit in the elden ring dlc 😅
Bloodborne, Sekiro and Elden Ring are all amazing for me. I tried DS and DS3 and just couldn't get myself into either of them but the non "Souls" titles all hooked me in immediately. Bloodborne has maybe the best atmosphere I've ever experienced, Sekiro's more intimate story and combat are awesome, and Elden Ring is just the greatest playground that I've ever come across. I hope their next game leans into bits of all of this: the cosmic horror, the enhanced traversal, the trick weapons, and the verticality. Imagine playing in a dreamlike version of Minas Tirith with weapons that also serve as environmental tools.
This. I seriously struggled to enjoy ds1, it has some great stuff but honestly the souls games are just not enjoyable experiences. It feels like they're not designed to be enjoyable. Though I do enjoy the atmosphere and lore, bloodborne and elden ring just feel so much more rewarding, and even though there is some bullshit, it feels like theres more options to get around the bullshit.
Such a game will never exist. Bloodborne will always be himself, Sekiro will remain Sekiro, and Elden Ring is a copy of Dark Souls. And nothing is perfect, but if you want, Sekiro was the closest to it.
@@LuM4rex You misspelled Bloodborne. Sekiro is likely the weakest game in the series, outside of maybe DS2, and even that is debatable. Building a game around Royal Guarding (all parries in all games are just RG from Devil May Cry, even games that had parries before DMC3) makes it the most one note and easiest game that Miyazaki has done. Sure some people have crap reflexes, and that makes it difficult for them, but if you have reflexes better than a 98 year old Parkinson's patient, you'll never get tagged or face any threat in that game. Isshin was a joke of a final boss. Also, it's aesthetic is atrocious, as are all games that focus on Japanese history (even loosely and fantastically) as a core design choice. European art and music are just grander and more appealing to all. And no, these aren't opinions, just objective reality. If you disagree, that is fine, as long as you can be content with yourself being factually in the wrong.
1:18:18 I'm just starting Elden Ring today, but I remember my first time playing Bloodborne that the Orphan of Kos took me more than thirty attempts to beat. Now after playing the game again six times I can go into his fight and beat him on the first try without parrying. But now even though the fight is easier to me, I enjoy it vastly more because it actually feels like a sastisfying duel instead of a mad scramble. Once I figured out how to reliably dodge the Orphan's attacks he became one of my favorite bosses of all time and I love the journey through the fishing hamlet to reach him.
You're gonna love the super tough challenge boss at the end of Elden Ring then! It's very difficult like Orphan of Kos, and it demands the same level of dedication with the same awesome satisfaction when you master it. I hope you have fun with the game!
@@collin2401 yup! The way he describes loving the Kos fight is exactly how I feel about Elden Ring’s toughest boss now that I’ve spent some time with it.
Downloaded Bloodborne after four years again, and I'm having great gaming experiences again. Even the game is seven years old, I was still not able to find a replacement in my heart for this title. I mean, the combination of agressive combat, unique trick weapons and satisfying parrying feels sooooo good. It's a shame that we've never got any sequel to Bloodborne, yet we have three Dark Souls games and Elden Ring, which is basically Dark Souls 4 (combat-wise). I'd really love to see MORE trick weapons and I miss quick steps so much.
2/24/22 Elden Ring's Release Day. Having played Elden Ring for darn near a year. It's time to go back to Bloodborne. I have gotten everything that I have gotten out of the game as well as hitting 713 and helping a ton of people with their bosses and making friends through that along the way. It's time to do the same thing in Bloodborne. Gotta keep the community alive and on positive note. BLOODBORNE LIVES.
The chalice dungeons should have been updated, with newer content, over time. That would have made them so much more interesting. This is coming from someone who always does them also. I love them. Just wish there were new discoveries.
Yes but that's not what I was referring too. I wanted legit updates from the developer's. New bosses and enemies. Chalice dungeons feel like a good way to update the game. Without using too many resources.
i want to point out that the misbegotten with the crucible knight makes alot of sense as they are both related to the crucible, and it would seem that the crucible knight and misbegotten were likely travel companions, why they are there specifically i can only speculate, additionaly the stake of marika being absent from rennala's arena is a theme across rya lucaria, her husband was radagon, and radagon left her for marika, it makes sense every image of marika was removed near her, this expands across liurnia in the churches.
My BIGGEST problem in Elden Ring is that I played Bloodborne first. I'm a naturally offensive player in video games (seriously, like all my Pokemon have offensive moves with like one or two having ONE move that's defensive). Once I figured out that key aspect in Bloodborne's combat was centered around aggressive offensive, everything clicked for me and I "got gud". Elden Ring borrows a lot from the more defensive combat of Dark Souls, which never was able to click with me. So often times I find myself getting greedy, taking hits as I dish them out, forgetting that Elden Ring doesn't have a rally system like Bloodborne does and I die. This hasn't dampened my enjoyment of Elden Ring (I absolutely love it), it's just something I noticed in myself as a player. Leydell Capital City is... Oh so beautiful and the music there. Next to the Clocktower Hospital Ward in the Old Hunters... Probably one of my favorite video game locations.
That's one thing that really annoys me about Elden Ring, the bosses are too tanky, and you cannot be overly aggressive, it's a game of openings, waiting for the right time to attack. Even DS3 was more forgiving in this regard, it's not a bad thing persay, but it does make bosses more tedious until you learn their attack patterns.
malenias great rune works sorta like the rally system, allowing you to heal most of the damage you take but with great runes you need a rune arc and shes endgame.
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 you can be aggressive in ER too. It's just , bosses have wider array of attacks, timings are inconsistent and generally bosses patterns are much more complex. That's why the safest way (to wait for the easiest and safest window) gets prolonged and somewhat boring. But if you get good, you'll find a lot more windows in what seemed like a terrible assault you have no option but flee from. That's when the combat starts getting beautiful and dynamic. Most of the bosses can be beaten the first way though and this is what most of the players choose (after summons and such). Some bosses will have you master the second option. A skill issue really.
I think a big part of the issue people have with Elden Ring is it being double eclipsed, living in the shadow of Dark Souls and Bloodborne. (Dark Souls has this problem in general, how many times have you seen the thumbnail of this video with the Dark Souls 2 & Dark Souls 3 protagonist only for it now to be used again with Elden Ring.) Living in the shadow of Dark Souls and Bloodborne is just too much honestly. Elden Ring does so much right and even then, it won't contend to the weight those games have in terms of isolated polish and the years we as the community have playing them.
Dark Souls 2 and 3 Live in the shadows, based on the original title, lol. They have never aspired to be anything special, especially 3. Just brings things to an end. And part 2, apparently, at the will of the publisher, wanted to be called Dark Souls a year before its final release.
And yet it sold so much more copies than those two and took GotY which those two failed to achieve. Really weird argument IMHO, many people think it obvious that Elden Ring is Froms new Magnus Opus, having amalgamated, reforged and expanded on all previous games concepts and mechanics. With their greatest world to play in.
@@AlexCatable Might be a year old but this take is so shit. Do you see the games dark souls 3 had to compete with in 2016 it was crazy competition. Along with another factor about elden ring the hype for the game was insane. DS3 pushed dark souls into the eye of the public and made people super excited when elden ring got leaked. The hype train that followed er before and after launch was insane also it had minimal or lackluster competition in goty category the only other good one was god of war. Also ER was the FIRST open world game in the ds style. Not even to mention sekiro as well
I love this, I am currently playing my third playthrough of Bloodborne. I love Elden Ring for its vast world and combat mechanics, but Bloodbornes story, atmosphere and music is just.. otherworldly.
i actually prefer elden rings atmosphere way more than bbs, which i didnt find otherworldly tbh, whats so otherworldly about it if you dont mind me asking ofcourse. the story i get, but the atmosphere? i view it as basically 40 hours of grey corridors, hallways, cobbled roads and so many goddamn coffins and gravestones, even the forests were grey XD i wish there were more areas like cainhurst and hamlet where they atleast tried to diversify the color scheme, theres more to lovecraft and gothic stuff than just that. personally speaking theres just far denser and more complex uses of art and color in ER than in bb. i get the whole gothic shtick, but i guess im abit bummed out that i gave into the bb hype, i played ER first and played bb second, the way bb fans talked about its atmosphere before i played it is kinda nuts, i expected far FAR more considering ER raised my standards, but as far as im concerned ER already did cosmic horror gothic atmosphere better with its underground areas, now thats what i would call otherwordly, but to each his own ofcourse!! thats just how i see it, bb is still a souls game and all of them are some of the best games ive ever played.
@@flamingmanure The atmosphere being a hollow shell of familiarity. Unlike Elden Ring, Bloodborne explores the element of the uncanny. It hits even harder when you’re actually British like me, as many Victorian cities look similar to that of Yharnam.
My problem with Elden Ring is it doesnt feel like the culmination of Dark Souls combat, it feels too fast to be Dark Souls (I love the slow methodical gameplay of DS1 a lot) and it feels too slow and lacks the mechanics that make bloodbornes combat also great and fast like the lack of the rally system. It really feels like in Elden Ring you fight bloodborne bosses that are 10x harder, less fun and the player character is a bridge between DS3 and Bloodborne.
In Elden Ring, everything is so bad that its bosses are so dynamic, as if it's not even Bloodborne, but Sekiro, despite the fact that your character is stuck in a DS3 character. For example, you have a converted opponent, the mini-boss Giraffe from Sekiro, which is now called the Royal Revenant, you have Malenia, who uses the "One Mind" of old Isshin in a combination of 3 attacks in a row. It's a real shame, to be honest.
i agree. and also even with the expansive weaponry and build options in elden ring it feels like the bosses are made without any of that in mind, with a few exceptions. this problem is especially prominent in late game.
Couldn't agree more. The main upsides of the game are your freedom of exploration and customization. With regards to actual quality, gameplay and balance of challenge, Bloodborne is better, Sekiro is better and DS III is better. I'd even say DS1 is a more consistent and well-made game in a lot of ways, though it has a bit of bs too lol.
I don't know why they haven't changed the fast roll into a quickstep. It would really incentivize keeping your equip load down. Maybe bring back old school poise for equip load over 70%, to make fat rolling worthwhile. A true synthesis of everything they've done would evolve the series rather than just iterate on it.
694 subscribers? One of the First World’s injustices but an injustice nonetheless. What a video. I loved every second of it and I dig your analysis of the parry mechanic. It truly is most viable and fun in Bloodborne, which, btw, is my all-time favorite game. This video, this kind of epic work, demands attention and admiration. Big Ups man. - A new fan and sub
RUclips is ripping you off with the algorithm man. I watch critical analysis on games regularly and it took two months for this pop up? Great video and subscribed.
The amigdala that grabs and kills you was very memorable to me in Bloodborne. Initially I thought it was some real BS, but then I found eyes on the inside and the world was never quite the same afterwards. Elden Ring never had any major moments like that for me, where my view of the world changed irrevocably. Elden Ring's world feels very static and less mysterious in this regard, even if you focus purely on the story and the way it unfolds.
Really? The Lands Between make several literal drastic shifts that reflect the state of the world based on your actions in the story. You return from the Forge to see the Erdtree on fire and the sky across the entire world darkened. You return to Leyndell to find it covered in a sea of ash from said tree. You find a giant crater where stars being held in the heavens by a demigod crash landed after you killed him. You inspect that crater and find another world UNDERNEATH the one you’ve known. Maybe those moments didn’t hit you as hard as the ones in Bloodborne, but saying there were no major moments that change the way you look at the world is pretty silly. There are several of those in Elden Ring. I would hardly call it “static.”
I know this will come down to opinion, but I have to thoroughly disagree about Bloodborne’s story being more confusing and hidden than Elden Ring’s. I came out of Bloodborne with a better idea of the story than any other FromSoft game. Even after watching lore videos, I think a lot of Elden Ring’s story is still a mystery. Some of that may be answered by the DLC I suppose, but at least in the base game, not a lot is fully explained.
Blood borne is a masterpiece. Elden ring is what I expected. A great game. Bloodborne was the game that changed my gaming life and sits atop my all Time favorite list.
If I were to recommend something, I think you’ve already put yourself on the right track by re-playing ER without a spirit ash. If you beat bosses like Godfrey in 2 attempts, you aren’t really seeing the nuances of the boss’ design. While, as you pointed out, finishing the game this way is totally valid, and it’s brought so many more players into the fold, I believe the way the bosses fight and are designed is actually part of story and lore as well. BB was my first challenge run, I did a BL4 (no leveling up) run, and it really deepened not only my appreciation & relationship w the game, but the lore as well. I finished ER at level 1, and have now done DS3 as well. I think if you re-play ER w a focus on posture breaking, the way your play of BB focuses on using the gun, you’ll find another very interesting layer of boss design
I dunno, Renalla is one of my favourite fights in the game and I think that she is super underrated. Also, imagine that your partner leaves you for someone else, would you have little statues of that person adorning your home? With that said, this was an amazing analysis. I had been seeing it recommended to me a few times, and I'm glad that I decided to watch it. I mostly agreed with everything else that you said.
1:37:55 I got the completely opposite experience playing Bloodborne. I had never been so lazer focused on a game. I never really cared about lore or anything before Bloodborne. But it lured me in and made me a lore junkie, only for Bloodborne, though. I have never since been so entranced by a story in a game in my life. For me, it's all about the builds and the weapons and stats and minmaxing for no reason other than that's what I like to do, tinker. Bloodborne kinda took a lot of that away, and the atmosphere and story took the front seat.
You described my exact feeling with the lore. I never really cared about video game stories before (except for TLOU), but with Bloodborne I am obsessed. I continue to watch lore videos to this day, even when I’ve already seen most of them. I love peoples new theories, and I do not feel like this towards any other game
While I am beyond biased, I will say Elden Ring’s highs never reached Bloodborne’s big points. Being transported to Lyendell from a chest at the bottom of Weeping Peninsula gave a jawdropping sense of scale. I recall I took a pic of my map screen on my phone to send to a friend just to share my shock of the insane size for a Soulsgame. However, the feeling kinda died down. Elden Ring has the scale that is entirely unrivalled by other Fromsoft games, but Bloodborne is the oposite. It’s crampt, uncomfortable and there are little details around every corner. The world is the story. And returning to the Church of Oedon only to realize what that weird black hole grab had been all this time truely sent chills down my spine. «Madman’s knowledge» didn’t seem like such a strange item anymore, knowing what drove it’s former owner beyond the brink
For me Bloodborne get both combat, story and world. Elden Rings story is good but it didn't break me like Bloodborne's did. I definitely think that the obscure nature of Bloodborne's story elevates it. Elden rings world is also very good but I felt like I had seen it before, but with Bloodborne there truly isn't a work of art like it. To be honest the only thing that I think that Elden Ring has over Bloodborne for me is its grandiosity. Elden Ring is still a masterpiece though.
While it is a lukewarm take in the community I actually consider Elden Ring to have consistently the most enjoyable bosses for me. It's mainly because of the many intricacies and the fact that they're just dopamine fests once you master them (yes even Malenia). But I still love the old hunters trifecta of bosses even though after 7 years I definitely think later bosses have gotten better. I just think I prefer facing an insurmountable challenge then slowly learning them and having fun in the process.
That is a very controversial take tbh. Most of the community agrees that Elden Ring has some of the weakest bosses/boss designs (gameplay-wise) since ds2. By that i mean DS3, BB and Sekiro are far better in those aspects, while ER is still miles above ds2 of course and most of ds1 bosses. Not that it is bad but compared to the goats it’s not that good. And about the insurmountable challenge I don’t understand at all what you mean, tbh i’m used to souls games and have played most of them before ER, but most of the game i felt was challenging enough like a normal/slightly hard difficulty in another game, rarely was there a challenge that felt insurmountable and when there was it seemed very obvious the game wanted me to get better gear/heals/upgrades/ruens/levels/etc and come back later like for Margit or Godrick. Except from those i never felt any insurmountable difficulty after except for some double boss fights in areas i clearly went too early, but even then very rarely. Maybe my expectations distorted my judgement, idk but except for endgame stuff like Malenia or Mogh the game isn’t more challenging than any other Fromsoftware title, even if you don’t use summons/ashes/magic/shield etc (I personally didn’t use them on my first playthrough because I don’t find them that engaging for my first time).
@@minecraftgravityguy well that's my opinion. Malenia surpassed Gael for me and my top 20 is now filled with 7 ER bosses. The community has many takes I vehemently disagree with and think are frankly stupid or misinterpreted. And personally as I played with a colossal weapon in my playthrough and noting else, I struggled with elden ring remembrance bosses the most, specifically the late game ones such as maliketh, mohg, radagon, and of course Malenia. And this is coming from someone who first tried every ds3 and bb boss on his first playthrough and most sekiro bosses as well. And I disagree with ds3 and bb being far better. Either of them are too predictable and easy for me to enjoy more than ER. And they didn't make me think much either. Except for Gael but that's only because of the narrative stakes. As for sekiro it doesn't have enough of the top tier bosses imo. Isshin, owl and genichiro are all s+ bosses but others are low s tier at best for me. Still great but not to the level of er for me where I have 7 or 8 at the top tier.
@@ivanchaki372 malenia is a garbage boss. If you strip her of the spectacle and decency of the fight, she is nowhere NEAR as good or fairly designed as dark souls 3 and sekiro bosses. Her boss design is absolutely awful. She’s the literal epitome of everything wrong with elden rings bosses. Combos that go on for way too long, multiple one shot moves that are very obscure to dodge (cough cough waterfowl), a very long fight that gets increased even longer since she heals off of every hit, which is an awful mechanic. She is fundamentally unfinished and for some reason, the cherry on the top is that she even heals if you use a shield to block her attacks and off of spirit summons. Literal spirit summons. It makes no sense gameplay wise or logically. Also, I think you’re equating easy with boring in terms of dark souls 3 bosses. Yes they aren’t as hard as elden rings bosses, but that’s a good thing, since elden ring bosses feel artificially bloated due to having very few punish gaps and very unnaturally delayed attacks that hasn’t been seen before in any other souls game, other than grabs. Gael is better than malenia in every way. He is more fun, a better spectacle, better narrative, a far better design since he’s basically guts in dark souls, he is thematically perfect, has flawless attack telegraphs that are better than I’d even say nameless king, and is the most fair difficult boss they’ve ever done. He’s quite literally the best boss fromsoft ever made. Comparing malenia to gael is like comparing Armstrong as a final boss in mgr to him in the dlc. Both are basically the same, however the final boss version is much more fair with clear telegraphs and very well done punishment gaps, and he doesn’t repeat the same move 50 times, unlike the dlc version, which malenia does too. One is easier, but designed much better with incredible spectacle and music, the other is difficult for the sake of being difficult and poorly thought out in terms of gameplay.
@@ivanchaki372 also, elden ring has basically no S tier bosses in comparison to bosses like gael, nameless king, or isshin. Yes they may have spectacle but mechanically they aren’t well thought out. Mohg is borderline S tier, however the gimmick of needing a wonderous physick is horribly implemented, plus his first phase is literally a reused boss in the sewers, which is the most convoluted area in the game. Radahn is the only S tier I can think of, Radagon would be the same if he had less frame one attacks (the mini lightning bolts), and if elden beast wasn’t the next boss right after. Which is the worst final boss they’ve done since dark souls 2. Godfrey is also fantastic, but that’s only 2. No minibosses in the game are S tier either.
@@Sephirothkingdom782 @jaswanthvardireddy2243 I think the concept of an opinion is foreign to you. Malenia can be staggered out of her combos if you know which moves she doesn't have hyper armors in which creates a much more interesting flow to the fight. Her moves are well telegraphed except for waterfowl which is admittedly not a well designed move. I want longer fights. And her heal per hit being terrible is your own subjective opinion. And I don't care about spirit summons since except for some duo fights I never use any. This take that elden ring bosses don't have enough punish windows is too stupid to take seriously when even between their attacks you can safely hit them, best example of this being maliketh. And I don't find them unnaturally delayed for the most part as many of these delayed attacks act as openings. Gael was once upon a time my favorite boss as well but aside from his spectacle and narrative factor, his fight doesn't get interesting mechanically until phase 3. His moves are way too predictable and there's nothing to spice things up. I haven't played MGR's dlc so I can't comment on that comparison but everything you said implies that you tried to play er as ds3 and suffered as a consequence. All of your takes seem influenced by that which I vehemently disagree with. Subjectivity is a thing when quality of bosses are to be discussed and trying to present your own subjective opinions as factual arguments is simply a weak tactic. And yes, I find her way more enjoyable than any DS3 or Sekiro boss.
I think my favorite part of bloodborne was how the story progressed. The trailers told us we’d be fighting werewolf monsters. The first half of the game had us doing that but with hints of something more. Then BOOM eldritch spider monster in a lake. BOOM human experimentation in the hopes of becoming a god. And finally ascending into godhood at the end.
I think the vagueness of Bloodborne's narrative is deliberate. Just like they try to understand the Great Ones and failed, so do we try to understand and fail. A failure to understand, a inability to understand, an impossibility to understand. I remember the DLC being advertised as 'answering questions' but it sure as hell raised MORE questions than it answered, which I found amusing. But also, I'm not sure how much it would have added, but Cainhurst was meant to play a bigger part in the story than it did. For one, Mensis was actually part of Cainhurst in the beginning and two, the umbilical cord in the Workshop, originally (before a patch), said it came from a Cainhurst woman.
Shields are useful tools, if used correctly but do enforce a less fun, defensive playstyle if misused. I personally do like using shields, despite often playing over aggressively and dying for it. The way I use a shield, is I block if I see an attack coming but don't have enough time to dodge it properly, which deflects some, or sometimes all, damage (i use them mostly in boss fights). I don't think that this prevents me from learning boss movests, but instead makes the process less punishing.
Here's hoping for a Bloodborne remake, on PC, and a follow up of some sort to Sekiro. Thanks for the time and effort you put in to this behemoth, it was an interesting watch. I would suggest, less fades to black.
one part i really disagree with is what you said about the way bloodborne tells its story; saying its vague is doing it a great disservice. It is vague in the sense that there aren't outright dialogues and cutscenes that give you the exposition, it uses every aspect of storytelling that is exclusive to video games to dictate its narrative, and even though like you said most people don't quite understand the exact story of what happens on their first playthrough, the game constantly beckons them to pay attention to details and when you finish the game, you have a basis for what you feel like about the story of the game, even if you don't understand what it is exactly. When you then either replay the game with greater attention to detail or watch lore vids online, you then start to piece everything together and you get stories to attach to feelings you previously had about a boss fight or a character or a level.
bloodborne over elden ring by significant margin bloodborne is one of my all time favs. its lore amazing and just recently had a big revelation with how its lore can be interpreted (its theme can now be centered around the victorian ear medical scene primarily in Edinburgh Scotland). amazing gameplay, style, bosses, art and combat. elden ring is unfortunately my 2nd least fav from soft game behind demons souls (i havent played ds2 btw). the biggest reason for this is due to me not having much fun with this game. reasons being were the boss design, the constant reusing of dungeons and bosses, the difficulty spike in the late game, the combat system and overall difficulty balance favoring specific builds and playstyles while making others a living hell to play (pure melee and strength builds). i got a hard impression Miyazaki was trying to rack up death counts as much as possible but forgot to balance the game well like he did in literally every other game. what a disappointment this game was.
ER was my Fromsoft gateway game. I was hooked. It was accessible enough that made me want to try other games i missed out on. Dark Souls was the first, I'm working on my Sekiro Platinum now on NG+2 and I'm leaving Bloodborne for last. This video is really hyping it up for me!
Same bro the funny thing is I had most of the games but never played them because I wasn’t any good.. elden ring gave me the confidence to play the other souls games and I’m current playing Bloodborne and will finish sekiro once I’m done. Then demon souls ps5 so on so on
Bloodborne > Elden Ring. Open world, despite being an eye-candy at first gets boring quite fast. The changes to moon / night phase in Bloodborne were much more impressive to me and the whole atmosphere / world / lore was top notch while in Elden Ring it feels all over the place.
1:02:22 it's because of lore. Raya Lucaria doesn't have any because 1) the war and 2) From Rennala's perspective, Radagon left her for Marika. They could have put a grace nearby but I think they did this intentionally to point out this relationship. Even her boss fight reflects this as she technically doesn't fight you(save for one spell but that also has a reason behind it) showing how broken as a person she is. "What about her second phase?" You might ask. That is Ranni's magic defending her mother!
I know there are lore reasons for there not being a stake of Marika, but my criticism was more with the lack of one for gameplay reasons. You could have a site of grace, a broken stake or something else entirely, but I still think there should be something, which was what I was trying to get across in the video (admittedly I should have been clearer on this point)
@@banquo Im a bit late for this but my idea would be to have a stake of Radagon directly outside the library. It would reaffirm that Radagon and Marika are the same entity, and also show that renalla is still obsessed with Radagon
The thing I love about the beginning of Elden Ring is that in addition to teaching you that you don’t have to follow a linear path, it also teaches you what KIND of player YOU are. Elden Ring was my first FromSoft game. As soon as I realized that I didn’t have to fight the Tree Sentinel I realized that I didn’t WANT to leave without killing it anyway. It probably took me more tries than all the other demigods combined but I chipped him down with my starting equipment and felt like a god. I left that fight with a new ability to analyze boss movesets, a cool spear I wasn’t even close to being able to use, and with the understanding that because of my own mentality I’d probably end up doing that (brute-forcing something ridiculous) a bunch more times before I finished the game. That’s just the kind of player I am and I understood that immediately because of the Tree Sentinel. I really loved Elden Ring.
That's it and then even more! Some people go straight towards the castle, no matter what hardships come their way. Others try it , get beaten bad at the gates or may be by Margit and start looking for the ways to get stronger. And there are those who, having spoken to Varre, look around in bewilderment, forget about grace and Godrick and just go roam the Limgrave. Funnily enough, I saw a lot of people stating this freedom as a game's shortcoming.
I have to say, Bloodborne is one of the best games I've ever played and the combat is really really fun and engaging. Especially in pvp you don't have to deal with shield pokers. The lore is on par with Elden Ring's lore if you ask me but yeah. The bosses in Bloodborne are some of the most fun I've ever fought in a video game. I also enjoy the bleak and desperate themes in the game. You're also correct that when you land a successful parry it's extremely satisfying. All in all it's a great game, might I say a masterpiece in my humble opinion. Thank you for reading and the video was really good.
For mine Bloodborne is Fromsoft’s masterpiece, a singular, amazing experience (despite some of the silly bosses!). I agree with your crit of the copy paste problem Elden Ring has, again IMO they would’ve done better making the Lands Between a little smaller to avoid this, ER surely is the paragon of open world games but could be tighter. Regardless thank god for Fromsoft, imagine the state of gaming without a studio making challenging, artistic experiences for actual adults!
I think the point of the Soldier of Godrick "boss" is to build up the player's confidence. At that point the only boss that a brand new player has interacted with is the grafted scion, which they almost certainly hopelessly lost to. The soldier acts as a very overcome-able challenge that teaches a new player that not everything that's a boss is a hopeless brick wall that they can't even imagine beating.
I must say I am quite impressed with the overall quality of this video coming from a newer channel. I agree with most of your stances minus a few. One is that every weapon in BB being viable. Some of them have just terrible scaling without making up for it with base stats. Two is the hardest boss in these 2 games. I believe that the Abhorrent Beast takes that cake with ease! He's as quick as the black hand assassins while having the power of Redahn. Truly unforgiving!
the main thing about bloodborne’s weapons is that stats matter much less than moveset, like blades of mercy. this isn’t to say that all weapons follow that. Some have good damage but bad moveset, like kirkhammer. Some have bad damage and movesets, like the cane. some are just middle of the road for everything like the axe. and some are great at everything, like saw cleaver/spear, ludwig’s and hms, whirligig, rakuyo, etc. The point is that even with those worse weapons like kirkhammer or cane, they can still be perfectly serviceable
Every weapon in Bloodborne is viable though, lol. Unless you wanna really get into specifics of the firearms, you can use every right handed weapon to beat every boss. And even with that, Flamesprayer and Rosmarinus are both able to solo almost every boss. The only weapon I can slightly think of being tougher to use is Blade of Mercy and Amygdalan Arm which both require incredibly specific mixed-arcane builds. ER's weapons have stupidly inflated damage numbers so comparing them is obviously only going to have one outcome.
@alonelycheesewheel3423 BB is the only game where I saw a lot of build variety. Hell I even saw a bow build and lost pretty bad to him. But some weapons are just downright poor altogether. IMHO BB still got closer to total balance than any of the others, and it's one of the many reasons I think it's the best Soulsborne game ever.
Oh I love my mimic. Especially since I'm such an aggressive player it's great as a decoy so I can just smack the boss all day long while it decides my mimic is the real problem. I always took advantage of summons in Bloodborne but at the same time, some boss NPC summons I never knew about, I never used.
Finally, someone noticed this. The two games are similar to the point where Elden Ring reuses some cut scenes and models. It seems From Software wanted to achieve the same success as they did with Bloodborne. And for that, they decided to mimic the old game in some ways. Whether by creating a certain feel during the game or by applying the old tools. But the game still does not feel as good as Bloodborne.
Bloodborne also reuses cut content and ideas from DS games (which is the case vice versa). Not to mention all games seemed to cut corners at some point, Bloodborne leaving a lot of it and feeling less complete (without DLC) compared to other Souls games.
@@tinnasell4161 I feel that's something some will feel after replaying this games a lot. Not to say it's bad, is common game design, but you feel they had to compromise. We all felt something similar in ER, but I noticed it even more in Sekiro in my 2nd playthrough, to a less purposeful degree than ER's case.
@@enman009 I guess you have a point. Not to mention that ER is a whole new territory and you wanna make it as good as possible)) It's that I was constantly feeling the urge to return to Bloodborne while playing... Well, may not ALL the time, but there were times and they were more often they I would like to. I'm not sure how fine it is for business if your gamers think of another game while playing something. Even if that that other game is also from your studio. Maybe it's just a one-time thing, a decision made to explore the new concept of game design in a comfortable way, add the best stuff they had... but it makes me worry a bit. or maybe the problem is me, end of story))
Can't tell you how many fucking times I attempted Agheel, before I realized I'm supposed to ignore him and return for the kill later at a much higher level. This is coming from a Soulsborne veteran. That's when I knew Elden Ring was a masterpiece.
The spirit summons are simply broken . ER without summons is rewarding. With them I’ve never felt so deflated. I only used them a few times and never again. It’s built in easy mode.
Then don't use the summons. I'm such a noobasaur at these games that I can use the summons and still struggle greatly with a boss and feel like I've conquered the world once I finally beat them. Us noobs need something for goodness sake.
I think they are a tool for begginers, I've seen a lot of people quit those souls games, even streamers quit bloodborne before the 2° boss, or quit sekiro because of difficult. Elden ring was my first souls, so I had no idea that the summons were just that, a tool, so when I understood the mechanics I stopped using then, with a few exceptions like malenia on 1° playtrough. Elden ring brought in millions of new players for this type of game, the summons were a big factor for the success this game achieved. Besides that, whomever uses moonveil is just a prick in my opinion
Bloodborne is by far the best game ever made. Not best fromsoftware game, best game ever made period! It's absolutely perfect, I wouldn't change a thing, except I would've made it harder. Like each moon phase is supposed to make the enemies harder but I didn't see it. Central Yharnham which is the greatest level ever made for any game should've had different, more, or stronger enemies each moon phase and a real reason to go back through, elden ring and BOTW are the two best 1st playthrough experiences ever, but I couldn't play either game again
Bloodborne is my favorite game of all time. Elden Ring doesn't make my top ten. Top 50, it'd be in there somewhere. I like it okay but I have huge gaping problems with it. And my problems with it are probably things people praise it for. I don't like the scale of it. There is too much of literally everything. Too much map. Too many reused bosses. Too much armor, weapons and spells. You name it there's too much of it. Bloodborne has quality not quantity. It's a massively smaller game by comparison. But I love it. I love that I can beat it in several hours. I'm far more inclined to dive back in over and over again when it's not a huge time investment. Elden Ring I beat with well over 100 hours with a walkthrough to help shorten the experience and I didn't feel satisfied. I felt relief it was finally over. And I've felt zero obligation to ever boot it up again. You probably think it hated the whole thing then. Actually no. I loved the Legacy Dungeons. They were my favorite part. I have nothing but praise for the Legacy Dungeons. The magic school being my favorite. Also the game is gorgeous at times. I can't deny that. And being able to swap out special moves with different gear is brilliant. I just can't tell you how many times I'd explore just to find something I would never use. That was 99% of the game for me. I didn't want to explore in a game about exploring.
This comment should be pinned for all debaters to read before getting involved in arguments. Basically, you didn't like the exploration in ER which is the cornerstone idea of the game. You tried to approach it and play it like you did previous titles and got disappointed. I think it's really important to understand this nuance, because for the majority if ER fans exploration is the best part if the game.
Bloodborne was my first FS game a few months ago. Funny thing is I had a totally different idea of what the gameplay was compared to what I ended up experiencing. I never gave the souls games the time of day, altho not for any specific reason just ever got around to them. After Bloodborne tho I have totally jumped feet first into the souls games and am officially addicted.
This guy did not just said that Elden Ring’s boss music is inferior to Bloodborne bro. Godskin, Mohg, Radahn, Radagon/Elden beast, Malenia, Maliketh, and Godfrey all have amazing boss music. Honestly if anyone says that their boss music is inferior to Bloodborne’s then they probably didn’t even considered that they could be at the same level.
Hey now... 3:30 I personally love monotone narrators above all others, especially when they put out 90+ minute game analysis videos. I shall be watching this video multiple times over the next week or two as part of my bedtime playlist. Keep em coming! Make them longer!
Bloodborne is amazing, this video deserves more views. The first time I played Elden Ring I thought it would be better than Bloodborne. but no man, I'm not playing 100+again for reused bosses and Elden Beast (worst final boss ever).
@@shamaanmohamed3862 He kinda was. You don't have to chase him nearly as much as the Elden Beast which makes the fight much less tedious. Not to mention, MP is an optional fight.
Moon Presence is even worse, not to mention that Elden Beast seems to be tweaked after patch 1.04. As for dungeons, yeah, not forget about Chalice Dungeons reusing enemies and bosses.
I have played Demons Souls remake, DS3 and Elden Ring twice to get Platinum. After that I don't crave to play those games. But Bloodborne I have played 4 times and currently on my fifth playthrough. For me Bloodborne is more appealing because "or some may say becausem" of beautiful Yharnam, lore, fast combat, trick weapons, sound effects, BB fashion, great voice of few NPCs like Gehrman, Eileen, Doll etc, and amazing boss music. My all time favorite soul bosses are Ludwig and Maria. For me, out of 4 souls games that i have played, BB is my all time favorite.
Bloodborne despite the lack of 60fps is a phenomenal game. Every weapons and hunter tool was worth finding and leveling up for to use. The build variety ST/ARC, ST/BT/, SKL/BT are awesome. And the story yet a bit of a puzzle is amazing once you fully realize the truth. And the DLC was just astonishing.
I love elden ring but the setting of bloodborne and the bosses are unmatched and imo i prefer the dark tone of bloodborne but elden ring is still a top tier game also i gotta give bloodborne the best weapons sure its limited but there so cool and awesome to use but i do think elden ring is more replayable due to builds and mods
Amazing video. Loved hearing your thoughts and opinions! Im playing through Bloodborne for the first time and am obsessed. Beating Ludwig and the orphan of kos was some of the best moments ever! I can't wait to play elden ring next
Renalla was weirdly enough the easiest boss in my (elden ring was my first souls game) first play through. Especially the second phase. The only challenge for me was figuring out that I needed to kill specific enemies to get her to fall out of the sphere in the first phases spent 20 minutes straight just killing the small ads until I figured out what I had to do.
Nailed my own thoughts on the combat/gameplay comparison. Bloodborne (and Sekiro even more so) are more honed in on a specific playstyle. This does have a pretty noticable effect on bosses as in BB and Sekiro they could be crafted woth the players tools and mobility spcifically in mind. Elden Rings huge variety of different things you can use in a bossfight makes balancing them borderline impossible, so we end up with bosses like Malenia who feel way too fast and extremely difficult for players standard kit, but become pushovers when you throw a spirit ash at them. Generally, Elden Ring feels like it lacks focus in its overall design philosophy. BB and Sekiro are razor sharp in this regard, to the point actual combat and gameplay intersect with the theme and story of the game. "Line between beast and man is blurred" and "Hesitation is defeat" perfectly capture essence of BB' and Sekiros combat. I cant think of a similiar theme in ER. ER still a great game, and preferring one thing over another is subjective. I personally feel like it falls short of BB and Sekiro, but pretty much ties with DS3. DS3 of course has less stuff and smaller world, but the bosses I think are much better suited to DS3/ER style of combat and are top tier.
You got me to subscribe by saying you're a physicist. I'm studying physics right now at school, and elden ring and Bloodborne are my two favorite games hands down. The fact that you were able to make such a thought out and well done comparison of the two really blew me away. Thanks for the content!
I just played and beat bloodborne for the first time last week, im writing this comment before i watch the video. At first i really hated the combat of bloodborne, many enemies, especially beasts, seem to be completely immune to parrying and the infuriates me because ive spent so mich tome mastering parryong in souls games, but i pushed forward and unlocked the pthumerian chalice. The game became significantly more fun once i started running chices, i kinda stopped caring about the story and only explored new areas to improve my power / unlock caryll's runes. I was extremely overpowered by the time i finished the game. It was honestly a really good experience, even though most people would probably say i didn't play it "right" To note, i discovered the cum dungeon *after* reaching level 95 on NG... im now level 160 but REGARDLESS, very fun game once you unlock chalice dungeons
Bloodborne is the best game ever. It feels like a chore to play ER. I don’t care about the story or the world, really. It’s a totally fine game, just doesn’t give me the same urge to play it like BB. Lies of P is a much better BB contenedor IMO.
When comparing the two I will say this I prefer Bloodborne’s music and levels, as Yharnam, Yahargul, and now that I’ve actually warmed up to it, even the Forbidden Woods and Hemwick Charnel Lane are fucking gorgeous, also Bergenwyrth lake alone is enough to keep me entranced, it’s like I’m in Majula HOWEVER, Elden Ring gets me with exploration as well as better boss design in my personal opinion, also, while I enjoyed the AESTHETICS of Bloodborne’s levels, I do prefer the MECHANICS of Elden Ring’s, as they feel easier to navigate And if someone wants to ask why I prefer Elden Ring’s bosses to Bloodborne’s, it comes down to two reasons 1. Elden Ring’s bosses don’t end in 15 seconds, I swear most Bloodborne bosses have the healthbar of an early born infant with a health defect, compared to Elden Ring where the bosses have decent sized healthbars, and thanks to the rally system, I don’t have to fear getting more damage in against Bloodborne bosses. Im not kidding when I say I beat every boss first attempt on my first playthrough except Ebrietas, Mergo’s Wet Nurse and Gehrman (I didn’t and still don’t have the DLC, I’m getting it soon though) whereas every Elden Ring boss kicked my ass at least once before I got the hang of it. Not a single Elden Ring boss left me with a first attempt, because their bigger healthbars meant the fight lasted longer, and actually forced me to learn a moveset, instead of flailing wildly after eating a Beast Blood Pellet and attaching Bolt Paper or Fire Paper. The second reason is because Elden Ring’s ability to give fast paced combat while still feeling like Dark Souls was just better executed in my opinion I will give Bloodborne credit for having more aesthetically pleasing bosses, as where Elden Ring focused on mystique and grandness for their boss designs, Bloodborne’s bosses seemed to have more of a horrific yet badass design idea to them (except Micolash but we don’t talk about him) Then there’s music, and good lord, Bloodborne’s music alone is just GLORIOUS, as it both sounds phenomenal, while the Latin lyrics contain lore for the games, like how the first part of Laurence’s theme in Latin talks about the discovery of the Old Blood and how amazing it is, only for the second half to shift to how horrifying the blood is and how they should’ve feared it all along, also, Ludwig…holy fuck Ludwig the Holy Blade OST is bar none some of the GREATEST music to come from a video game PERIOD, and it alone outshines any music from Elden Ring, especially since the second phase is a WALTZ, because now that Ludwig fights like a human, the fight went from hunting a beast to a dance of blades. Elden Ring’s music simply can’t compare In terms of combat I do prefer Elden Ring, as it’s wider variety of magic, weapons and combat styles just far outshine Bloodborne which only has a few combat styles available, and most will likely only stick to using a simple trick weapon, and parry what they can while landing combos on what they can’t parry. Bloodborne’s isn’t bad, so much as it is limited in comparison, and besides, I far enjoy Elden Ring’s magic to Bloodborne’s (especially since I don’t get one shotted by Call From Beyond…fucking Micolash keeping me trapped in a small cage like the asshole he is) Let’s see what else do we have to go through? Uhhh GRAPHICS, yeah that’s a no brainer that Elden Ring wins there. Sony is doing nothing with BB anytime soon, meaning I doubt we’ll be seeing improved graphics and 60 FPS anytime in the near future unfortunately. Hell I’d settle for the lazy upscale at this point, I just wanna see SOMETHING to show it hasn’t been forgotten Story is a personal preference, but I prefer Elden Ring, because at least in Elden Ring, I feel truly rewarded for my actions. I can say I made a good change when I beat Elden Ring, but in Bloodborne, the cycle just continues which is just depressing, also, I hate having to kill one person, just to protect others, especially since I just doom others by helping that one guy (I never learned his name, but he’s the guy who turns into a beast and kills everyone in Oedon Chapel if you send him there) Characters in Elden Ring feel more memorable too. I can recall all my moments with Alexander, Millicent, Boc and Hewg, but I really couldn’t care less about Eileen, and both Melina and Doll feel lame in my opinion since one is never around, and the other doesn’t really have much to say. Chapel Dweller and Roderika are two characters I would defend with my body, mind and soul, and Patches can go fuck himself in both games Overall, I personally enjoy Elden Ring better, however I’ve come a long way with Bloodborne. Back when I first played it, I hated it with a fiery passion. It took three playthroughs to change my mind on it, and I’ve come to both respect and enjoy it a lot. However given the Soulsborne community’s stance on it, I’ll put Bloodborne next to Elden Ring and Dark Souls 3 on my favourites of the series I’m looking forward to the DLC when I get it, because Elden Ring’s was phenomenal and I can only imagine greatness from Bloodborne’s
To me, the soldier of godric was put there to make me not be afraid of the huge healthpools of bosses, it made me play braver, and this was my first fromsoftware game, so it helped me a ton.
I beat bloodborne and had absolutely no idea about anything in the story it wasn’t until like months later when I watched some RUclipsr breaking down the story that I said damn really? It gave me a new appreciation for it but yea it’s tough to even know how the fuck they know any of that I guess “reading” eh not for me
Elden Ring is disappointing by NeverKnowsBest sums up all my problems with Elden Ring. First time was fun, second time was okay, third time I got exhausted and quit. I've never done this with a souls before. I usually explore every kind of build possible and replay over and over. I just...can't with Elden Ring. Too much shit, and too much of it is just fluff. I think Elden Ring is a step backwards for the series.
That's fair, I think souls games are the only games I have really replayed (except for Life is Strange I think), I think I have done 2 playthroughs of Elden Ring and while I have enjoyed it, I can see it being an awful lot. I guess one question I would have would be, if you play other open world games, how do you feel Elden ring compares to those models? (Not really related, just a bit curious)
That NeverKnowsBest critique was pure bs. Anyone who knows what the word "meta" means already knows that if you're not going to use it you'll be at a disadvantage. It has existed since the dawn of souls. The rest of the video is a skill issue and like 10% is a subjective opinion. One of the worst ones for sure
Well sorry you fell that way but you are just wrong. Ive replayed elden ring more times than every other souls game to the max every time. It is 10 step forward in the right direction
Opinions, opinions...I don't thinkit's controversial to say that Bloodborne is the most tightly designed of the franchise... As for preference in combat,some ppl still defend DS2, like you say, it is an opinion, and it deviates enough to be it's own thing. NOW... I love the series, and in terms of gameplay, DS3, Bloodborne, Sekiro and Elden Ring are all up there... But REALLY, Elden Ring has the best hitboxes of the series, with some wacky exceptions, but far less than any other entry. You very rarely feel cheated out, and that is the one thing it can be objectively compared to bloodborne, and it is objectively better in that sense. But this isnt me simping for Elden Ring, i see that game as the most flawed entry alongside DS2, while Bloodborne, thanks to its narrow and focused scope, the game is borderline perfect. But if we bring what CAN be objectively compared in the combat, Elden Ring doeswhat can be compare 1 to 1 far better than bloodborne, because from soft doesnt just unlearn after every entry, they get better.
Both the pinnacle of Soulsborne games, and there's no wrong in playing one or the other. I feel both games have great bosses, except for some in Bloodborne being mediocre/bad (Nicolach, Witches, Living Failures, Darkbeast Paarl and more). I feel the side content in both games reuses content, a lot. But ER the more important dungeons are marked, and most of the tend to be short, visually distinct and unique gimmicks (chariots, teleporting chests, jumping platforms, etc). Bloodborne's Chalice Dungeons feel less visually distinct, don't have gimmicks as unique as the ones in ER (unless reducing your health counts as one), are longer, there's not a lot of enemy/trap variety and there's also reuses of enemies and bosses as dungeon bosses. Other than that, Bloodborne is my favorite, but I feel ER feels more consistent (at least in areas, main bosses and side content).
Im not hating on elden ring, but everyone should play bloodborne because I love it and I want a remaster with updated dungeons and I won’t play anything else ever please please come true
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Just a quick correction: At 1:42:31 I talk a bit about the different lineages and how the names of the parents impact the first letter of their child/descendant. There are two exceptions to this with Morgott and Mohg, both of whom are children of Godfrey, but unlike his descendants, their names don't begin with a G, most likely due to their "Omen Curse". Just wanted to make that correction for the sake of accuracy 👍
Edit: A lot of people have been commenting about the section where I mention that there should be a shortcut for Rennala, saying that there shouldn't be a stake of Marika for lore reasons, and while I completely understand that, my point was more that the run back made the fight less fun. I probably could have worded this a bit better, but what I was trying to say was I think there should be at least something there, whether it be another site of grace, a broken stake or a secret third thing, just something there to make it less of a drag. Hope everyone is liking the video otherwise though 👍
confused about the comment on rennalas boss run. there shouldn’t be a single enemy encounter on the run back, save for the rolling ball on the bridge. if you run straight out the red wolf door and then run right, jump onto the support of the bridge, then over the rail, you just have to dodge the ball, kill the NPC only one time and then never again, and then you’re at the elevator for the fight. it’s less than a minute for sure. the stake isn’t necessary
@@messyhairofficial2455 there's actually a shorter path you can unlock, but that one does encounter several enemies
@@Practicallypreposterous oh weird. the one im talking about is only like 1 minute if that. where is the other one?
There is a shortcut for the Rennala fight, if you take a left at moongrums hangout spot you can cross a bridge and open a door. From there it cuts the run down to about a minute and you only have to dodge 3 sorcerers. Great video! 👍
I know the phrase “wish i could go back and play game all over again for the first time” gets said a lot but Bloodborne really is that game for me. Nothing comes even close to that miraculous time when I was introduced to Bloodborne
Yo for real. It was thrilling and amazing experience . I fi ished it in 2021 and best story ever
Absolutely 👍 Played Elden Ring as my first Souls game. Though have now stepped into the world of Bloodborne and personally have a greater enjoyment for it, a truly incredible game.
Just something about Cosmic horror that tickles my fancy
I can’t get into Elden Ring as much as BB and DS.. feel like I’m just playing to explore and look at the cool graphics 🤷🏾♂️ maybe it’ll get better
Funny i always go back and start a new character on bloodborne not because i took a break or anything but because NG+ is extremely hard and I dont wanna grind Cuuuumfpk if you know what i mean
Bloodborne the memorable part for me was story and combat. For elden ring it was the sheer amazement of exploration and the world. Elden ring transcended ‘some memorable aspects’ for me. Both are dear to me and the first playthroughs were my best memories in gaming.
I personally don't know how you didn't mention the atmosphere. It's the best I've ever seen.
@@kevinbaconwasntinfootloose1742 was just gonna say trhe same thing the atmosphere and the lore in bb is nuts
Elden rings combat is borderline the same as bloodbourne it expects you to be aggressive and rewards you for it too with posture breaking.
@@HugoStiglitz88what are you even doing here then?
The elden ring map is always the same shit
Even at 30 fps, Bloodborne just feels so good. It has a very cinematic look.
I'd prefer it not to be "cinematic", and to have 60 fps. Or 120 even. It's just a very good game, that's why it still looks good.
As a pc player who plays games at 120 fps 30 just burns my eyes and makes it harder to enjoy the game also it not having a better version for ps5 or even a pc port caused me to not replay it after i got the platinum
Naah it feels awful 🤮 everything about it is amazing though!
@@stanislavkimov2779why does fps matter so much? I play on console and pc with a pretty large variety of games but never really cared about fps
@@Jim-Bagel your eyes become used to a set fps, trying to switch to a lower fps will become jarring, you can eventually get used to the lower fps if you stick to it, however most wont. Furthermore higher fps makes games more responsive. There are more factors, for example playing 60fps using a controller will feel smoother and mouse and keyboard, motion blur helps make a game appear visually smoother aswell.
The best part for BB for me was when I increased my insight high enough to realize the hidden and more twisted world around me. It does feel very Lovecraftian and induced a quick feeling of existential crisis in me when it happened.
Really. Bloodborne of all games gave you an existential crisis. A game with no existential elements. Strange.
@@trevorveillette8415 Then enlighten me genius one. What are these existential elements that a game should have to induce that "quick feeling of existential crisis"? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@@trevorveillette8415Do you. Have a fetish. For periods.
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^ is this turning you on rn?
Father Gascoigne was just a brilliant boss. Him and the Blood Starved beast were my two favorites the first time through.
They teach you to be proactive, not reactive. You get your absolute shit kicked in by trying to play it slow and safe. It's only when you stop dodging backwards and start taking risks that you start to excel at Bloodborne.
Bloodstarved was bs and Gascoigne was painfully easy
@@ylobenzit’s fun to be a contrarian isn’t it ?
There is always one in the comments.
And yes. For those not blessed by the gaming gods learning to stop going back and being defensive and to go against nature/training to find safe in being aggressive is an experience I have never had in any other game.
My only question is why fromsoft have not revisited this IP. My unfounded two cents is that there are legal reasons.
Hands down the best game they have made for how it plays and the natural fit of their weirdness with lore (no disrespect to Mr Martin, but Lovecraft has this on lock).
@@Dave-vu3ynSony owns the IP, they hired From as a third party to develop the game and we all know how Sony is when it comes to exclusives lmao
Besides it did not do so amazing in terms of sales so Sony isn't going to risk putting in the effort. We probably will never see BB2 as much as it pains me.
💯 true
Just hearing names like old Yharnam or even the word Hunter gives me flashbacks and so much dark but awesome memories from Bloodborne times!
Dark Souls = A story about people touching things they shouldn't.
Elden Ring = The story of ctrl + v
Bloodborne = The story of you making it to that bridge in mensis with two winter lanterns which leads to the next journey to the store to buy a new controller.
Just experienced this personally. No matter how OP I get it’s still the hardest boss.
@@jacobscanlon9311which boss?
@@TwointheKLINK not an actual boss, but the bridge in Mensis that has the pair of Winter Lanterns. No matter how much resistance to frenzy I have, the pair of them after the first at the front of the bridge will take me out more than half the time. This is after playing enough to no hit Orphan, no death Shark duo, etc. For some reason that bridge gets me.
the story of ctrl+v is crazy, but also true
Im gonna touch something of urs that I shouldn't lil bro
I do love elden ring. I spent about 400 hours on it. But nothing left the impact on me and brought me to from software as did bloodborne. I logged 2200 hours playing it. BB was nearly perfect. Elden ring is a great game. But it didn’t beat the feel of playing BB for the first time.
Yeah I just started Bloodborne after beating dark souls one for the first time and my only souls experience. It's hard but I'm gonna keep trying
Elden turd 💀
In Elden Ring, they really should have had a full Godrick knight as the tutorial boss.
That would have been too OP. Would’ve been impossible, but think of the memes.
@@blackhat4206 I could see noobs beating one 1v1 after a few tries
Bloodborn hands down us better imo. Quality over quantity. Blooborne is a 20 - 30 hour game that is pretty much 10/10 from beginning to end while elden ring is 110 hours long and hovers between 6/10 to 10/10 like a rollercoaster. ER is a great game but has plenty of flaws. Bloodborne i need to think hard to find faults. (Vial/bullet farming is annoying i guess)
Stop lying to yourself bro,bloodborne main game bosses are trash,and the run backs are actually not fun,quality of life is just non existent,and even the dlc which is the most fun I had in bloodborne had a few flaws like Ludwig phase 1,living failures,bs hit boxes,bloodborne overall is an 8/10 experience carried heavily by the dlc,and Elden ring is a 10/10 for sure.bloodborne is one of the most flawed games I’ve played even though I still think it’s really good.
@@GregoThe3rd disagree. Also whats wrong with ludwig phase 1? Far more problems in ER than bloodborne imo especially with regard to repetition. I liked most bosses in bloodborne. They were too easy but were fun
@@Terron29 besides a select few main game bosses,every boss in the main game is not fun to fight in the slightest,some of the worst bosses in the souls series,Ludwig phase 1 sucks the joy out of me,bullshit charge and annoying asf,phase 2 is perfect though,not saying bloodborne has worse repetition than Elden ring but it also has some aswell,chalice dungeon rom and ebrietas,in the late game normal yharnam mobs get re used too much aswell
@@GregoThe3rd thats fair enough. I loved ludwig I must say. I think the chalice dungeons kinda sucked but they can be mostly ignored thankfully. I think the enemy repetition didnt seem nearly as bad to me in BB coz the game is so much shorter. When you spend 100 plus hours in a game I think the flaws or aspects you dislike grind your gears a lot more because you spend longer dealing with them. I wanted to throw my damn controller behind me when I fought another ulcerated tree spirit in the elden ring dlc 😅
@@Terron29 Elden ring dlc didn’t have that much repetition honestly,every mini boss and dungeon I found was a new boss
Bloodborne will forever hold a special place in my heart
Bloodborne, Sekiro and Elden Ring are all amazing for me. I tried DS and DS3 and just couldn't get myself into either of them but the non "Souls" titles all hooked me in immediately. Bloodborne has maybe the best atmosphere I've ever experienced, Sekiro's more intimate story and combat are awesome, and Elden Ring is just the greatest playground that I've ever come across. I hope their next game leans into bits of all of this: the cosmic horror, the enhanced traversal, the trick weapons, and the verticality. Imagine playing in a dreamlike version of Minas Tirith with weapons that also serve as environmental tools.
This. I seriously struggled to enjoy ds1, it has some great stuff but honestly the souls games are just not enjoyable experiences. It feels like they're not designed to be enjoyable. Though I do enjoy the atmosphere and lore, bloodborne and elden ring just feel so much more rewarding, and even though there is some bullshit, it feels like theres more options to get around the bullshit.
ds2 bloodborne and sekiro are my favorites in this series
Such a game will never exist. Bloodborne will always be himself, Sekiro will remain Sekiro, and Elden Ring is a copy of Dark Souls. And nothing is perfect, but if you want, Sekiro was the closest to it.
@@LuM4rex You misspelled Bloodborne. Sekiro is likely the weakest game in the series, outside of maybe DS2, and even that is debatable. Building a game around Royal Guarding (all parries in all games are just RG from Devil May Cry, even games that had parries before DMC3) makes it the most one note and easiest game that Miyazaki has done. Sure some people have crap reflexes, and that makes it difficult for them, but if you have reflexes better than a 98 year old Parkinson's patient, you'll never get tagged or face any threat in that game. Isshin was a joke of a final boss. Also, it's aesthetic is atrocious, as are all games that focus on Japanese history (even loosely and fantastically) as a core design choice. European art and music are just grander and more appealing to all. And no, these aren't opinions, just objective reality. If you disagree, that is fine, as long as you can be content with yourself being factually in the wrong.
@@-LDK- Dude is fine to disagree with someone's opinion, you don't need to be so pompous about it
1:18:18 I'm just starting Elden Ring today, but I remember my first time playing Bloodborne that the Orphan of Kos took me more than thirty attempts to beat. Now after playing the game again six times I can go into his fight and beat him on the first try without parrying. But now even though the fight is easier to me, I enjoy it vastly more because it actually feels like a sastisfying duel instead of a mad scramble. Once I figured out how to reliably dodge the Orphan's attacks he became one of my favorite bosses of all time and I love the journey through the fishing hamlet to reach him.
You're gonna love the super tough challenge boss at the end of Elden Ring then! It's very difficult like Orphan of Kos, and it demands the same level of dedication with the same awesome satisfaction when you master it. I hope you have fun with the game!
@@collin2401 yup! The way he describes loving the Kos fight is exactly how I feel about Elden Ring’s toughest boss now that I’ve spent some time with it.
@@BryGuyJohn Yay, glad to hear I'm not alone!
Downloaded Bloodborne after four years again, and I'm having great gaming experiences again. Even the game is seven years old, I was still not able to find a replacement in my heart for this title. I mean, the combination of agressive combat, unique trick weapons and satisfying parrying feels sooooo good. It's a shame that we've never got any sequel to Bloodborne, yet we have three Dark Souls games and Elden Ring, which is basically Dark Souls 4 (combat-wise). I'd really love to see MORE trick weapons and I miss quick steps so much.
7:00 scariest and hardest boss of all time I’ll never forget my first time seeing him thinking he was gonna be easy and I died so many times
2/24/22 Elden Ring's Release Day. Having played Elden Ring for darn near a year. It's time to go back to Bloodborne. I have gotten everything that I have gotten out of the game as well as hitting 713 and helping a ton of people with their bosses and making friends through that along the way. It's time to do the same thing in Bloodborne. Gotta keep the community alive and on positive note. BLOODBORNE LIVES.
Mohg was my favorite fight as a melee fighter. His mixups are amazing but there’s always a tell so you can react
The chalice dungeons should have been updated, with newer content, over time. That would have made them so much more interesting. This is coming from someone who always does them also. I love them. Just wish there were new discoveries.
Did you try the glyphs? There plenty to be found, very interesting chalices created by the comunity.
Yes but that's not what I was referring too. I wanted legit updates from the developer's. New bosses and enemies. Chalice dungeons feel like a good way to update the game. Without using too many resources.
i want to point out that the misbegotten with the crucible knight makes alot of sense as they are both related to the crucible, and it would seem that the crucible knight and misbegotten were likely travel companions, why they are there specifically i can only speculate, additionaly the stake of marika being absent from rennala's arena is a theme across rya lucaria, her husband was radagon, and radagon left her for marika, it makes sense every image of marika was removed near her, this expands across liurnia in the churches.
My BIGGEST problem in Elden Ring is that I played Bloodborne first.
I'm a naturally offensive player in video games (seriously, like all my Pokemon have offensive moves with like one or two having ONE move that's defensive). Once I figured out that key aspect in Bloodborne's combat was centered around aggressive offensive, everything clicked for me and I "got gud".
Elden Ring borrows a lot from the more defensive combat of Dark Souls, which never was able to click with me. So often times I find myself getting greedy, taking hits as I dish them out, forgetting that Elden Ring doesn't have a rally system like Bloodborne does and I die.
This hasn't dampened my enjoyment of Elden Ring (I absolutely love it), it's just something I noticed in myself as a player.
Leydell Capital City is... Oh so beautiful and the music there. Next to the Clocktower Hospital Ward in the Old Hunters... Probably one of my favorite video game locations.
That's one thing that really annoys me about Elden Ring, the bosses are too tanky, and you cannot be overly aggressive, it's a game of openings, waiting for the right time to attack. Even DS3 was more forgiving in this regard, it's not a bad thing persay, but it does make bosses more tedious until you learn their attack patterns.
It doesn't actually elden ring wants you to fight aggressively as well just as much a BB that's why the posture system exists.
malenias great rune works sorta like the rally system, allowing you to heal most of the damage you take but with great runes you need a rune arc and shes endgame.
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 you can be aggressive in ER too. It's just , bosses have wider array of attacks, timings are inconsistent and generally bosses patterns are much more complex. That's why the safest way (to wait for the easiest and safest window) gets prolonged and somewhat boring. But if you get good, you'll find a lot more windows in what seemed like a terrible assault you have no option but flee from. That's when the combat starts getting beautiful and dynamic. Most of the bosses can be beaten the first way though and this is what most of the players choose (after summons and such). Some bosses will have you master the second option.
A skill issue really.
I think a big part of the issue people have with Elden Ring is it being double eclipsed, living in the shadow of Dark Souls and Bloodborne. (Dark Souls has this problem in general, how many times have you seen the thumbnail of this video with the Dark Souls 2 & Dark Souls 3 protagonist only for it now to be used again with Elden Ring.)
Living in the shadow of Dark Souls and Bloodborne is just too much honestly. Elden Ring does so much right and even then, it won't contend to the weight those games have in terms of isolated polish and the years we as the community have playing them.
Dark Souls 2 and 3 Live in the shadows, based on the original title, lol. They have never aspired to be anything special, especially 3. Just brings things to an end. And part 2, apparently, at the will of the publisher, wanted to be called Dark Souls a year before its final release.
And yet it sold so much more copies than those two and took GotY which those two failed to achieve.
Really weird argument IMHO, many people think it obvious that Elden Ring is Froms new Magnus Opus, having amalgamated, reforged and expanded on all previous games concepts and mechanics. With their greatest world to play in.
@@AlexCatable Might be a year old but this take is so shit. Do you see the games dark souls 3 had to compete with in 2016 it was crazy competition. Along with another factor about elden ring the hype for the game was insane. DS3 pushed dark souls into the eye of the public and made people super excited when elden ring got leaked. The hype train that followed er before and after launch was insane also it had minimal or lackluster competition in goty category the only other good one was god of war. Also ER was the FIRST open world game in the ds style. Not even to mention sekiro as well
I love this, I am currently playing my third playthrough of Bloodborne. I love Elden Ring for its vast world and combat mechanics, but Bloodbornes story, atmosphere and music is just.. otherworldly.
LOL💀
i actually prefer elden rings atmosphere way more than bbs, which i didnt find otherworldly tbh, whats so otherworldly about it if you dont mind me asking ofcourse. the story i get, but the atmosphere? i view it as basically 40 hours of grey corridors, hallways, cobbled roads and so many goddamn coffins and gravestones, even the forests were grey XD i wish there were more areas like cainhurst and hamlet where they atleast tried to diversify the color scheme, theres more to lovecraft and gothic stuff than just that. personally speaking theres just far denser and more complex uses of art and color in ER than in bb. i get the whole gothic shtick, but i guess im abit bummed out that i gave into the bb hype, i played ER first and played bb second, the way bb fans talked about its atmosphere before i played it is kinda nuts, i expected far FAR more considering ER raised my standards, but as far as im concerned ER already did cosmic horror gothic atmosphere better with its underground areas, now thats what i would call otherwordly, but to each his own ofcourse!! thats just how i see it, bb is still a souls game and all of them are some of the best games ive ever played.
@@flamingmanure The atmosphere being a hollow shell of familiarity. Unlike Elden Ring, Bloodborne explores the element of the uncanny. It hits even harder when you’re actually British like me, as many Victorian cities look similar to that of Yharnam.
My problem with Elden Ring is it doesnt feel like the culmination of Dark Souls combat, it feels too fast to be Dark Souls (I love the slow methodical gameplay of DS1 a lot) and it feels too slow and lacks the mechanics that make bloodbornes combat also great and fast like the lack of the rally system. It really feels like in Elden Ring you fight bloodborne bosses that are 10x harder, less fun and the player character is a bridge between DS3 and Bloodborne.
In Elden Ring, everything is so bad that its bosses are so dynamic, as if it's not even Bloodborne, but Sekiro, despite the fact that your character is stuck in a DS3 character. For example, you have a converted opponent, the mini-boss Giraffe from Sekiro, which is now called the Royal Revenant, you have Malenia, who uses the "One Mind" of old Isshin in a combination of 3 attacks in a row. It's a real shame, to be honest.
i agree. and also even with the expansive weaponry and build options in elden ring it feels like the bosses are made without any of that in mind, with a few exceptions. this problem is especially prominent in late game.
@@LuM4rex You are just bad at games.
Couldn't agree more.
The main upsides of the game are your freedom of exploration and customization. With regards to actual quality, gameplay and balance of challenge, Bloodborne is better, Sekiro is better and DS III is better. I'd even say DS1 is a more consistent and well-made game in a lot of ways, though it has a bit of bs too lol.
I don't know why they haven't changed the fast roll into a quickstep. It would really incentivize keeping your equip load down. Maybe bring back old school poise for equip load over 70%, to make fat rolling worthwhile. A true synthesis of everything they've done would evolve the series rather than just iterate on it.
694 subscribers? One of the First World’s injustices but an injustice nonetheless. What a video. I loved every second of it and I dig your analysis of the parry mechanic. It truly is most viable and fun in Bloodborne, which, btw, is my all-time favorite game.
This video, this kind of epic work, demands attention and admiration. Big Ups man.
- A new fan and sub
RUclips is ripping you off with the algorithm man. I watch critical analysis on games regularly and it took two months for this pop up? Great video and subscribed.
The amigdala that grabs and kills you was very memorable to me in Bloodborne. Initially I thought it was some real BS, but then I found eyes on the inside and the world was never quite the same afterwards.
Elden Ring never had any major moments like that for me, where my view of the world changed irrevocably. Elden Ring's world feels very static and less mysterious in this regard, even if you focus purely on the story and the way it unfolds.
Really? The Lands Between make several literal drastic shifts that reflect the state of the world based on your actions in the story.
You return from the Forge to see the Erdtree on fire and the sky across the entire world darkened. You return to Leyndell to find it covered in a sea of ash from said tree. You find a giant crater where stars being held in the heavens by a demigod crash landed after you killed him. You inspect that crater and find another world UNDERNEATH the one you’ve known.
Maybe those moments didn’t hit you as hard as the ones in Bloodborne, but saying there were no major moments that change the way you look at the world is pretty silly. There are several of those in Elden Ring. I would hardly call it “static.”
@@BryGuyJohn To reiterate "Elden Ring never had any major moments like that FOR ME"
@@DarknessProphet that makes more sense
Nothing I experienced in BB comes even close to going down the Siofra river well or through the Crumbling Lands gate at the Four Belfries.
I know this will come down to opinion, but I have to thoroughly disagree about Bloodborne’s story being more confusing and hidden than Elden Ring’s.
I came out of Bloodborne with a better idea of the story than any other FromSoft game. Even after watching lore videos, I think a lot of Elden Ring’s story is still a mystery. Some of that may be answered by the DLC I suppose, but at least in the base game, not a lot is fully explained.
In my opinion, this mystery in Bloodborne is the main pillar.
The main task of the player is to discover the secret of Yarhnam.
Bloodborne is a true masterpiece
Bloodborne is the real masterpiece here
Blood borne is a masterpiece.
Elden ring is what I expected. A great game.
Bloodborne was the game that changed my gaming life and sits atop my all
Time favorite list.
If I were to recommend something, I think you’ve already put yourself on the right track by re-playing ER without a spirit ash. If you beat bosses like Godfrey in 2 attempts, you aren’t really seeing the nuances of the boss’ design.
While, as you pointed out, finishing the game this way is totally valid, and it’s brought so many more players into the fold, I believe the way the bosses fight and are designed is actually part of story and lore as well. BB was my first challenge run, I did a BL4 (no leveling up) run, and it really deepened not only my appreciation & relationship w the game, but the lore as well.
I finished ER at level 1, and have now done DS3 as well. I think if you re-play ER w a focus on posture breaking, the way your play of BB focuses on using the gun, you’ll find another very interesting layer of boss design
Bloodborne will always be better to me than Elden Ring. Maybe it’s nostalgia. Nothing will compare to the original play through
If it is nostalgia than you really have to reconsider your opinion.
I dunno, Renalla is one of my favourite fights in the game and I think that she is super underrated. Also, imagine that your partner leaves you for someone else, would you have little statues of that person adorning your home?
With that said, this was an amazing analysis. I had been seeing it recommended to me a few times, and I'm glad that I decided to watch it. I mostly agreed with everything else that you said.
1:37:55 I got the completely opposite experience playing Bloodborne. I had never been so lazer focused on a game. I never really cared about lore or anything before Bloodborne. But it lured me in and made me a lore junkie, only for Bloodborne, though. I have never since been so entranced by a story in a game in my life.
For me, it's all about the builds and the weapons and stats and minmaxing for no reason other than that's what I like to do, tinker. Bloodborne kinda took a lot of that away, and the atmosphere and story took the front seat.
You described my exact feeling with the lore. I never really cared about video game stories before (except for TLOU), but with Bloodborne I am obsessed. I continue to watch lore videos to this day, even when I’ve already seen most of them. I love peoples new theories, and I do not feel like this towards any other game
While I am beyond biased, I will say Elden Ring’s highs never reached Bloodborne’s big points. Being transported to Lyendell from a chest at the bottom of Weeping Peninsula gave a jawdropping sense of scale. I recall I took a pic of my map screen on my phone to send to a friend just to share my shock of the insane size for a Soulsgame. However, the feeling kinda died down. Elden Ring has the scale that is entirely unrivalled by other Fromsoft games, but Bloodborne is the oposite. It’s crampt, uncomfortable and there are little details around every corner. The world is the story. And returning to the Church of Oedon only to realize what that weird black hole grab had been all this time truely sent chills down my spine. «Madman’s knowledge» didn’t seem like such a strange item anymore, knowing what drove it’s former owner beyond the brink
For me Bloodborne get both combat, story and world. Elden Rings story is good but it didn't break me like Bloodborne's did. I definitely think that the obscure nature of Bloodborne's story elevates it. Elden rings world is also very good but I felt like I had seen it before, but with Bloodborne there truly isn't a work of art like it. To be honest the only thing that I think that Elden Ring has over Bloodborne for me is its grandiosity. Elden Ring is still a masterpiece though.
While it is a lukewarm take in the community I actually consider Elden Ring to have consistently the most enjoyable bosses for me. It's mainly because of the many intricacies and the fact that they're just dopamine fests once you master them (yes even Malenia). But I still love the old hunters trifecta of bosses even though after 7 years I definitely think later bosses have gotten better.
I just think I prefer facing an insurmountable challenge then slowly learning them and having fun in the process.
That is a very controversial take tbh. Most of the community agrees that Elden Ring has some of the weakest bosses/boss designs (gameplay-wise) since ds2. By that i mean DS3, BB and Sekiro are far better in those aspects, while ER is still miles above ds2 of course and most of ds1 bosses. Not that it is bad but compared to the goats it’s not that good.
And about the insurmountable challenge I don’t understand at all what you mean, tbh i’m used to souls games and have played most of them before ER, but most of the game i felt was challenging enough like a normal/slightly hard difficulty in another game, rarely was there a challenge that felt insurmountable and when there was it seemed very obvious the game wanted me to get better gear/heals/upgrades/ruens/levels/etc and come back later like for Margit or Godrick. Except from those i never felt any insurmountable difficulty after except for some double boss fights in areas i clearly went too early, but even then very rarely. Maybe my expectations distorted my judgement, idk but except for endgame stuff like Malenia or Mogh the game isn’t more challenging than any other Fromsoftware title, even if you don’t use summons/ashes/magic/shield etc (I personally didn’t use them on my first playthrough because I don’t find them that engaging for my first time).
@@minecraftgravityguy well that's my opinion. Malenia surpassed Gael for me and my top 20 is now filled with 7 ER bosses. The community has many takes I vehemently disagree with and think are frankly stupid or misinterpreted. And personally as I played with a colossal weapon in my playthrough and noting else, I struggled with elden ring remembrance bosses the most, specifically the late game ones such as maliketh, mohg, radagon, and of course Malenia. And this is coming from someone who first tried every ds3 and bb boss on his first playthrough and most sekiro bosses as well.
And I disagree with ds3 and bb being far better. Either of them are too predictable and easy for me to enjoy more than ER. And they didn't make me think much either. Except for Gael but that's only because of the narrative stakes. As for sekiro it doesn't have enough of the top tier bosses imo. Isshin, owl and genichiro are all s+ bosses but others are low s tier at best for me. Still great but not to the level of er for me where I have 7 or 8 at the top tier.
@@ivanchaki372 malenia is a garbage boss. If you strip her of the spectacle and decency of the fight, she is nowhere NEAR as good or fairly designed as dark souls 3 and sekiro bosses. Her boss design is absolutely awful. She’s the literal epitome of everything wrong with elden rings bosses. Combos that go on for way too long, multiple one shot moves that are very obscure to dodge (cough cough waterfowl), a very long fight that gets increased even longer since she heals off of every hit, which is an awful mechanic. She is fundamentally unfinished and for some reason, the cherry on the top is that she even heals if you use a shield to block her attacks and off of spirit summons. Literal spirit summons.
It makes no sense gameplay wise or logically.
Also, I think you’re equating easy with boring in terms of dark souls 3 bosses. Yes they aren’t as hard as elden rings bosses, but that’s a good thing, since elden ring bosses feel artificially bloated due to having very few punish gaps and very unnaturally delayed attacks that hasn’t been seen before in any other souls game, other than grabs.
Gael is better than malenia in every way. He is more fun, a better spectacle, better narrative, a far better design since he’s basically guts in dark souls, he is thematically perfect, has flawless attack telegraphs that are better than I’d even say nameless king, and is the most fair difficult boss they’ve ever done. He’s quite literally the best boss fromsoft ever made.
Comparing malenia to gael is like comparing Armstrong as a final boss in mgr to him in the dlc. Both are basically the same, however the final boss version is much more fair with clear telegraphs and very well done punishment gaps, and he doesn’t repeat the same move 50 times, unlike the dlc version, which malenia does too. One is easier, but designed much better with incredible spectacle and music, the other is difficult for the sake of being difficult and poorly thought out in terms of gameplay.
@@ivanchaki372 also, elden ring has basically no S tier bosses in comparison to bosses like gael, nameless king, or isshin. Yes they may have spectacle but mechanically they aren’t well thought out. Mohg is borderline S tier, however the gimmick of needing a wonderous physick is horribly implemented, plus his first phase is literally a reused boss in the sewers, which is the most convoluted area in the game. Radahn is the only S tier I can think of, Radagon would be the same if he had less frame one attacks (the mini lightning bolts), and if elden beast wasn’t the next boss right after. Which is the worst final boss they’ve done since dark souls 2.
Godfrey is also fantastic, but that’s only 2. No minibosses in the game are S tier either.
@@Sephirothkingdom782 @jaswanthvardireddy2243 I think the concept of an opinion is foreign to you. Malenia can be staggered out of her combos if you know which moves she doesn't have hyper armors in which creates a much more interesting flow to the fight. Her moves are well telegraphed except for waterfowl which is admittedly not a well designed move. I want longer fights. And her heal per hit being terrible is your own subjective opinion. And I don't care about spirit summons since except for some duo fights I never use any.
This take that elden ring bosses don't have enough punish windows is too stupid to take seriously when even between their attacks you can safely hit them, best example of this being maliketh. And I don't find them unnaturally delayed for the most part as many of these delayed attacks act as openings.
Gael was once upon a time my favorite boss as well but aside from his spectacle and narrative factor, his fight doesn't get interesting mechanically until phase 3. His moves are way too predictable and there's nothing to spice things up.
I haven't played MGR's dlc so I can't comment on that comparison but everything you said implies that you tried to play er as ds3 and suffered as a consequence. All of your takes seem influenced by that which I vehemently disagree with. Subjectivity is a thing when quality of bosses are to be discussed and trying to present your own subjective opinions as factual arguments is simply a weak tactic.
And yes, I find her way more enjoyable than any DS3 or Sekiro boss.
The parry in Bloodborne is pretty much exactly the same as in Ds1 when it comes to actual frame data, what makes it easier is the distance.
I think my favorite part of bloodborne was how the story progressed. The trailers told us we’d be fighting werewolf monsters. The first half of the game had us doing that but with hints of something more. Then BOOM eldritch spider monster in a lake. BOOM human experimentation in the hopes of becoming a god. And finally ascending into godhood at the end.
I think the vagueness of Bloodborne's narrative is deliberate. Just like they try to understand the Great Ones and failed, so do we try to understand and fail. A failure to understand, a inability to understand, an impossibility to understand.
I remember the DLC being advertised as 'answering questions' but it sure as hell raised MORE questions than it answered, which I found amusing.
But also, I'm not sure how much it would have added, but Cainhurst was meant to play a bigger part in the story than it did. For one, Mensis was actually part of Cainhurst in the beginning and two, the umbilical cord in the Workshop, originally (before a patch), said it came from a Cainhurst woman.
Shields are useful tools, if used correctly but do enforce a less fun, defensive playstyle if misused. I personally do like using shields, despite often playing over aggressively and dying for it. The way I use a shield, is I block if I see an attack coming but don't have enough time to dodge it properly, which deflects some, or sometimes all, damage (i use them mostly in boss fights). I don't think that this prevents me from learning boss movests, but instead makes the process less punishing.
Here's hoping for a Bloodborne remake, on PC, and a follow up of some sort to Sekiro.
Thanks for the time and effort you put in to this behemoth, it was an interesting watch.
I would suggest, less fades to black.
one part i really disagree with is what you said about the way bloodborne tells its story; saying its vague is doing it a great disservice. It is vague in the sense that there aren't outright dialogues and cutscenes that give you the exposition, it uses every aspect of storytelling that is exclusive to video games to dictate its narrative, and even though like you said most people don't quite understand the exact story of what happens on their first playthrough, the game constantly beckons them to pay attention to details and when you finish the game, you have a basis for what you feel like about the story of the game, even if you don't understand what it is exactly. When you then either replay the game with greater attention to detail or watch lore vids online, you then start to piece everything together and you get stories to attach to feelings you previously had about a boss fight or a character or a level.
Great video. Watched it while being sick. A shame it doesn’t have more views. Hope to see more vids like this from you
bloodborne over elden ring by significant margin
bloodborne is one of my all time favs. its lore amazing and just recently had a big revelation with how its lore can be interpreted (its theme can now be centered around the victorian ear medical scene primarily in Edinburgh Scotland). amazing gameplay, style, bosses, art and combat.
elden ring is unfortunately my 2nd least fav from soft game behind demons souls (i havent played ds2 btw). the biggest reason for this is due to me not having much fun with this game.
reasons being were the boss design, the constant reusing of dungeons and bosses, the difficulty spike in the late game, the combat system and overall difficulty balance favoring specific builds and playstyles while making others a living hell to play (pure melee and strength builds). i got a hard impression Miyazaki was trying to rack up death counts as much as possible but forgot to balance the game well like he did in literally every other game. what a disappointment this game was.
ER was my Fromsoft gateway game. I was hooked. It was accessible enough that made me want to try other games i missed out on. Dark Souls was the first, I'm working on my Sekiro Platinum now on NG+2 and I'm leaving Bloodborne for last. This video is really hyping it up for me!
Same bro the funny thing is I had most of the games but never played them because I wasn’t any good.. elden ring gave me the confidence to play the other souls games and I’m current playing Bloodborne and will finish sekiro once I’m done. Then demon souls ps5 so on so on
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Bloodborne > Elden Ring.
Open world, despite being an eye-candy at first gets boring quite fast. The changes to moon / night phase in Bloodborne were much more impressive to me and the whole atmosphere / world / lore was top notch while in Elden Ring it feels all over the place.
Open world is good, but well made map with loops and ways in and out different parts and locations like in BB and DS1 is much better
1:02:22 it's because of lore.
Raya Lucaria doesn't have any because 1) the war and 2) From Rennala's perspective, Radagon left her for Marika. They could have put a grace nearby but I think they did this intentionally to point out this relationship. Even her boss fight reflects this as she technically doesn't fight you(save for one spell but that also has a reason behind it) showing how broken as a person she is. "What about her second phase?" You might ask. That is Ranni's magic defending her mother!
I know there are lore reasons for there not being a stake of Marika, but my criticism was more with the lack of one for gameplay reasons. You could have a site of grace, a broken stake or something else entirely, but I still think there should be something, which was what I was trying to get across in the video (admittedly I should have been clearer on this point)
@@banquo Im a bit late for this but my idea would be to have a stake of Radagon directly outside the library. It would reaffirm that Radagon and Marika are the same entity, and also show that renalla is still obsessed with Radagon
The thing I love about the beginning of Elden Ring is that in addition to teaching you that you don’t have to follow a linear path, it also teaches you what KIND of player YOU are.
Elden Ring was my first FromSoft game. As soon as I realized that I didn’t have to fight the Tree Sentinel I realized that I didn’t WANT to leave without killing it anyway. It probably took me more tries than all the other demigods combined but I chipped him down with my starting equipment and felt like a god. I left that fight with a new ability to analyze boss movesets, a cool spear I wasn’t even close to being able to use, and with the understanding that because of my own mentality I’d probably end up doing that (brute-forcing something ridiculous) a bunch more times before I finished the game.
That’s just the kind of player I am and I understood that immediately because of the Tree Sentinel. I really loved Elden Ring.
That's it and then even more!
Some people go straight towards the castle, no matter what hardships come their way.
Others try it , get beaten bad at the gates or may be by Margit and start looking for the ways to get stronger.
And there are those who, having spoken to Varre, look around in bewilderment, forget about grace and Godrick and just go roam the Limgrave.
Funnily enough, I saw a lot of people stating this freedom as a game's shortcoming.
I have to say, Bloodborne is one of the best games I've ever played and the combat is really really fun and engaging. Especially in pvp you don't have to deal with shield pokers. The lore is on par with Elden Ring's lore if you ask me but yeah. The bosses in Bloodborne are some of the most fun I've ever fought in a video game. I also enjoy the bleak and desperate themes in the game. You're also correct that when you land a successful parry it's extremely satisfying. All in all it's a great game, might I say a masterpiece in my humble opinion.
Thank you for reading and the video was really good.
For mine Bloodborne is Fromsoft’s masterpiece, a singular, amazing experience (despite some of the silly bosses!). I agree with your crit of the copy paste problem Elden Ring has, again IMO they would’ve done better making the Lands Between a little smaller to avoid this, ER surely is the paragon of open world games but could be tighter. Regardless thank god for Fromsoft, imagine the state of gaming without a studio making challenging, artistic experiences for actual adults!
I think the point of the Soldier of Godrick "boss" is to build up the player's confidence. At that point the only boss that a brand new player has interacted with is the grafted scion, which they almost certainly hopelessly lost to. The soldier acts as a very overcome-able challenge that teaches a new player that not everything that's a boss is a hopeless brick wall that they can't even imagine beating.
bloodborne is the best..elden ring has broken bosses that make that game bad
They did a whole dlc with broken bosses, hope you enjoy lol
I must say I am quite impressed with the overall quality of this video coming from a newer channel. I agree with most of your stances minus a few. One is that every weapon in BB being viable. Some of them have just terrible scaling without making up for it with base stats. Two is the hardest boss in these 2 games. I believe that the Abhorrent Beast takes that cake with ease! He's as quick as the black hand assassins while having the power of Redahn. Truly unforgiving!
the main thing about bloodborne’s weapons is that stats matter much less than moveset, like blades of mercy. this isn’t to say that all weapons follow that. Some have good damage but bad moveset, like kirkhammer. Some have bad damage and movesets, like the cane. some are just middle of the road for everything like the axe. and some are great at everything, like saw cleaver/spear, ludwig’s and hms, whirligig, rakuyo, etc. The point is that even with those worse weapons like kirkhammer or cane, they can still be perfectly serviceable
Every weapon in Bloodborne is viable though, lol. Unless you wanna really get into specifics of the firearms, you can use every right handed weapon to beat every boss. And even with that, Flamesprayer and Rosmarinus are both able to solo almost every boss. The only weapon I can slightly think of being tougher to use is Blade of Mercy and Amygdalan Arm which both require incredibly specific mixed-arcane builds. ER's weapons have stupidly inflated damage numbers so comparing them is obviously only going to have one outcome.
@alonelycheesewheel3423 I consider pvp and pve when ranking weapon viability. In pve you can punch your way through the story if you get good enough.
@@GR1MR34PER33 Well if you're talking pvp, the only weapons you're ever gonna be talking about is the Chickage lol.
@alonelycheesewheel3423 BB is the only game where I saw a lot of build variety. Hell I even saw a bow build and lost pretty bad to him. But some weapons are just downright poor altogether. IMHO BB still got closer to total balance than any of the others, and it's one of the many reasons I think it's the best Soulsborne game ever.
Oh I love my mimic. Especially since I'm such an aggressive player it's great as a decoy so I can just smack the boss all day long while it decides my mimic is the real problem.
I always took advantage of summons in Bloodborne but at the same time, some boss NPC summons I never knew about, I never used.
The Soldier of Godrick build up was perfect
I was genuinely watching this episode and it was great props to you for making it interesting all the way through.
Finally, someone noticed this. The two games are similar to the point where Elden Ring reuses some cut scenes and models. It seems From Software wanted to achieve the same success as they did with Bloodborne. And for that, they decided to mimic the old game in some ways. Whether by creating a certain feel during the game or by applying the old tools. But the game still does not feel as good as Bloodborne.
Bloodborne also reuses cut content and ideas from DS games (which is the case vice versa). Not to mention all games seemed to cut corners at some point, Bloodborne leaving a lot of it and feeling less complete (without DLC) compared to other Souls games.
@@enman009 While that is interesting, I must admit that I've never noticed that))
@@tinnasell4161 I feel that's something some will feel after replaying this games a lot. Not to say it's bad, is common game design, but you feel they had to compromise. We all felt something similar in ER, but I noticed it even more in Sekiro in my 2nd playthrough, to a less purposeful degree than ER's case.
@@enman009 I guess you have a point. Not to mention that ER is a whole new territory and you wanna make it as good as possible)) It's that I was constantly feeling the urge to return to Bloodborne while playing... Well, may not ALL the time, but there were times and they were more often they I would like to. I'm not sure how fine it is for business if your gamers think of another game while playing something. Even if that that other game is also from your studio. Maybe it's just a one-time thing, a decision made to explore the new concept of game design in a comfortable way, add the best stuff they had... but it makes me worry a bit.
or maybe the problem is me, end of story))
Fun fact:
I love that we are literally comparing From's games to From's games.
Nobody does it more eagerly than BB fans for some reason.
We are born of the blood, made men by the blood, undone by the blood. Fear the old blood!
Can't tell you how many fucking times I attempted Agheel, before I realized I'm supposed to ignore him and return for the kill later at a much higher level. This is coming from a Soulsborne veteran. That's when I knew Elden Ring was a masterpiece.
The spirit summons are simply broken . ER without summons is rewarding. With them I’ve never felt so deflated. I only used them a few times and never again. It’s built in easy mode.
Then don't use the summons. I'm such a noobasaur at these games that I can use the summons and still struggle greatly with a boss and feel like I've conquered the world once I finally beat them. Us noobs need something for goodness sake.
I think they are a tool for begginers, I've seen a lot of people quit those souls games, even streamers quit bloodborne before the 2° boss, or quit sekiro because of difficult. Elden ring was my first souls, so I had no idea that the summons were just that, a tool, so when I understood the mechanics I stopped using then, with a few exceptions like malenia on 1° playtrough. Elden ring brought in millions of new players for this type of game, the summons were a big factor for the success this game achieved. Besides that, whomever uses moonveil is just a prick in my opinion
Bloodborne is by far the best game ever made. Not best fromsoftware game, best game ever made period! It's absolutely perfect, I wouldn't change a thing, except I would've made it harder. Like each moon phase is supposed to make the enemies harder but I didn't see it. Central Yharnham which is the greatest level ever made for any game should've had different, more, or stronger enemies each moon phase and a real reason to go back through, elden ring and BOTW are the two best 1st playthrough experiences ever, but I couldn't play either game again
Bloodborne ❤
I was so surprised how low your subscribers were. Watching this video, it definitely felt like a 800k-1mil Channel. You definitely deserve more subs !
i hope fromsoftware brings back linear map like dark souls or Bloodborne becuase open world gets so boring after maybe 3 runs
With the success of elden I very much doubt it
I think the open world approach of Elden Ring offers way more than the linear games, but that’s just me
@@couchwilly5575 absolutely. But some people play the game differently
There is no way this only has 19k views.
Amazing video
My only note: quit putting yourself down! I never would have guessed you were new at this, you did a fantastic job! :)
Elden ring combat: Jump + R2
Bloodborne combat: R1 + L1 + R1 + L1
You're not using the tools given then, ok
That can also be applied in BB.@@tavishdegroot5127
Bloodborne is my favorite game of all time. Elden Ring doesn't make my top ten. Top 50, it'd be in there somewhere. I like it okay but I have huge gaping problems with it. And my problems with it are probably things people praise it for. I don't like the scale of it. There is too much of literally everything. Too much map. Too many reused bosses. Too much armor, weapons and spells. You name it there's too much of it. Bloodborne has quality not quantity. It's a massively smaller game by comparison. But I love it. I love that I can beat it in several hours. I'm far more inclined to dive back in over and over again when it's not a huge time investment. Elden Ring I beat with well over 100 hours with a walkthrough to help shorten the experience and I didn't feel satisfied. I felt relief it was finally over. And I've felt zero obligation to ever boot it up again. You probably think it hated the whole thing then. Actually no. I loved the Legacy Dungeons. They were my favorite part. I have nothing but praise for the Legacy Dungeons. The magic school being my favorite. Also the game is gorgeous at times. I can't deny that. And being able to swap out special moves with different gear is brilliant. I just can't tell you how many times I'd explore just to find something I would never use. That was 99% of the game for me. I didn't want to explore in a game about exploring.
This comment should be pinned for all debaters to read before getting involved in arguments.
Basically, you didn't like the exploration in ER which is the cornerstone idea of the game. You tried to approach it and play it like you did previous titles and got disappointed. I think it's really important to understand this nuance, because for the majority if ER fans exploration is the best part if the game.
Bloodborne was my first FS game a few months ago. Funny thing is I had a totally different idea of what the gameplay was compared to what I ended up experiencing. I never gave the souls games the time of day, altho not for any specific reason just ever got around to them. After Bloodborne tho I have totally jumped feet first into the souls games and am officially addicted.
This guy did not just said that Elden Ring’s boss music is inferior to Bloodborne bro. Godskin, Mohg, Radahn, Radagon/Elden beast, Malenia, Maliketh, and Godfrey all have amazing boss music. Honestly if anyone says that their boss music is inferior to Bloodborne’s then they probably didn’t even considered that they could be at the same level.
That's the way with BB fans.
Hey now... 3:30 I personally love monotone narrators above all others, especially when they put out 90+ minute game analysis videos. I shall be watching this video multiple times over the next week or two as part of my bedtime playlist. Keep em coming! Make them longer!
Bloodborne is amazing, this video deserves more views. The first time I played Elden Ring I thought it would be better than Bloodborne. but no man, I'm not playing 100+again for reused bosses and Elden Beast (worst final boss ever).
To be fair, Moon Presence wasn’t any better of a final boss.
@@shamaanmohamed3862 He kinda was. You don't have to chase him nearly as much as the Elden Beast which makes the fight much less tedious. Not to mention, MP is an optional fight.
Moon Presence is even worse, not to mention that Elden Beast seems to be tweaked after patch 1.04. As for dungeons, yeah, not forget about Chalice Dungeons reusing enemies and bosses.
Man played 100 hrs and got tired. You cleared about half if the map unless you used guides.
Bloodborne is just better, the fact that people have difficulty deciding which of the two is better is enough evidence given Bloodborne is 8 years old
I have played Demons Souls remake, DS3 and Elden Ring twice to get Platinum. After that I don't crave to play those games. But Bloodborne I have played 4 times and currently on my fifth playthrough. For me Bloodborne is more appealing because "or some may say becausem" of beautiful Yharnam, lore, fast combat, trick weapons, sound effects, BB fashion, great voice of few NPCs like Gehrman, Eileen, Doll etc, and amazing boss music. My all time favorite soul bosses are Ludwig and Maria. For me, out of 4 souls games that i have played, BB is my all time favorite.
Bloodborne despite the lack of 60fps is a phenomenal game. Every weapons and hunter tool was worth finding and leveling up for to use. The build variety ST/ARC, ST/BT/, SKL/BT are awesome. And the story yet a bit of a puzzle is amazing once you fully realize the truth. And the DLC was just astonishing.
This was a great review/comparison. Can't believe this video hasn't blown up yet
I love elden ring but the setting of bloodborne and the bosses are unmatched and imo i prefer the dark tone of bloodborne but elden ring is still a top tier game also i gotta give bloodborne the best weapons sure its limited but there so cool and awesome to use but i do think elden ring is more replayable due to builds and mods
Amazing video. Loved hearing your thoughts and opinions! Im playing through Bloodborne for the first time and am obsessed. Beating Ludwig and the orphan of kos was some of the best moments ever! I can't wait to play elden ring next
Renalla was weirdly enough the easiest boss in my (elden ring was my first souls game) first play through. Especially the second phase. The only challenge for me was figuring out that I needed to kill specific enemies to get her to fall out of the sphere in the first phases spent 20 minutes straight just killing the small ads until I figured out what I had to do.
bloodborne story is honestly so much better than Elden rings story its not even comparable to me
Nailed my own thoughts on the combat/gameplay comparison. Bloodborne (and Sekiro even more so) are more honed in on a specific playstyle. This does have a pretty noticable effect on bosses as in BB and Sekiro they could be crafted woth the players tools and mobility spcifically in mind. Elden Rings huge variety of different things you can use in a bossfight makes balancing them borderline impossible, so we end up with bosses like Malenia who feel way too fast and extremely difficult for players standard kit, but become pushovers when you throw a spirit ash at them.
Generally, Elden Ring feels like it lacks focus in its overall design philosophy. BB and Sekiro are razor sharp in this regard, to the point actual combat and gameplay intersect with the theme and story of the game. "Line between beast and man is blurred" and "Hesitation is defeat" perfectly capture essence of BB' and Sekiros combat. I cant think of a similiar theme in ER.
ER still a great game, and preferring one thing over another is subjective. I personally feel like it falls short of BB and Sekiro, but pretty much ties with DS3. DS3 of course has less stuff and smaller world, but the bosses I think are much better suited to DS3/ER style of combat and are top tier.
In a day & age where games are dropped half finished and unmotivated, i will forever appreciate these masterpieces.
You got me to subscribe by saying you're a physicist. I'm studying physics right now at school, and elden ring and Bloodborne are my two favorite games hands down. The fact that you were able to make such a thought out and well done comparison of the two really blew me away. Thanks for the content!
I just played and beat bloodborne for the first time last week, im writing this comment before i watch the video. At first i really hated the combat of bloodborne, many enemies, especially beasts, seem to be completely immune to parrying and the infuriates me because ive spent so mich tome mastering parryong in souls games, but i pushed forward and unlocked the pthumerian chalice. The game became significantly more fun once i started running chices, i kinda stopped caring about the story and only explored new areas to improve my power / unlock caryll's runes. I was extremely overpowered by the time i finished the game. It was honestly a really good experience, even though most people would probably say i didn't play it "right"
To note, i discovered the cum dungeon *after* reaching level 95 on NG... im now level 160 but REGARDLESS, very fun game once you unlock chalice dungeons
Lots of typos there. I am literate, i promise :)
I don't know if I could pick a favourite. All I know is I'm glad I've played them both!
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Bloodborne >>>>>> elden ring
bro the ost's for elden ring is really good, godfrey, radagon, fortisax, mogh, godskin duo, radhan, melina
Thank you for the Great video, and thanks again for the lack of Adverts 👍
Bloodborne is the best game ever.
It feels like a chore to play ER. I don’t care about the story or the world, really. It’s a totally fine game, just doesn’t give me the same urge to play it like BB. Lies of P is a much better BB contenedor IMO.
When comparing the two I will say this
I prefer Bloodborne’s music and levels, as Yharnam, Yahargul, and now that I’ve actually warmed up to it, even the Forbidden Woods and Hemwick Charnel Lane are fucking gorgeous, also Bergenwyrth lake alone is enough to keep me entranced, it’s like I’m in Majula
HOWEVER, Elden Ring gets me with exploration as well as better boss design in my personal opinion, also, while I enjoyed the AESTHETICS of Bloodborne’s levels, I do prefer the MECHANICS of Elden Ring’s, as they feel easier to navigate
And if someone wants to ask why I prefer Elden Ring’s bosses to Bloodborne’s, it comes down to two reasons
1. Elden Ring’s bosses don’t end in 15 seconds, I swear most Bloodborne bosses have the healthbar of an early born infant with a health defect, compared to Elden Ring where the bosses have decent sized healthbars, and thanks to the rally system, I don’t have to fear getting more damage in against Bloodborne bosses. Im not kidding when I say I beat every boss first attempt on my first playthrough except Ebrietas, Mergo’s Wet Nurse and Gehrman (I didn’t and still don’t have the DLC, I’m getting it soon though) whereas every Elden Ring boss kicked my ass at least once before I got the hang of it. Not a single Elden Ring boss left me with a first attempt, because their bigger healthbars meant the fight lasted longer, and actually forced me to learn a moveset, instead of flailing wildly after eating a Beast Blood Pellet and attaching Bolt Paper or Fire Paper. The second reason is because Elden Ring’s ability to give fast paced combat while still feeling like Dark Souls was just better executed in my opinion
I will give Bloodborne credit for having more aesthetically pleasing bosses, as where Elden Ring focused on mystique and grandness for their boss designs, Bloodborne’s bosses seemed to have more of a horrific yet badass design idea to them (except Micolash but we don’t talk about him)
Then there’s music, and good lord, Bloodborne’s music alone is just GLORIOUS, as it both sounds phenomenal, while the Latin lyrics contain lore for the games, like how the first part of Laurence’s theme in Latin talks about the discovery of the Old Blood and how amazing it is, only for the second half to shift to how horrifying the blood is and how they should’ve feared it all along, also, Ludwig…holy fuck Ludwig the Holy Blade OST is bar none some of the GREATEST music to come from a video game PERIOD, and it alone outshines any music from Elden Ring, especially since the second phase is a WALTZ, because now that Ludwig fights like a human, the fight went from hunting a beast to a dance of blades. Elden Ring’s music simply can’t compare
In terms of combat I do prefer Elden Ring, as it’s wider variety of magic, weapons and combat styles just far outshine Bloodborne which only has a few combat styles available, and most will likely only stick to using a simple trick weapon, and parry what they can while landing combos on what they can’t parry. Bloodborne’s isn’t bad, so much as it is limited in comparison, and besides, I far enjoy Elden Ring’s magic to Bloodborne’s (especially since I don’t get one shotted by Call From Beyond…fucking Micolash keeping me trapped in a small cage like the asshole he is)
Let’s see what else do we have to go through? Uhhh GRAPHICS, yeah that’s a no brainer that Elden Ring wins there. Sony is doing nothing with BB anytime soon, meaning I doubt we’ll be seeing improved graphics and 60 FPS anytime in the near future unfortunately. Hell I’d settle for the lazy upscale at this point, I just wanna see SOMETHING to show it hasn’t been forgotten
Story is a personal preference, but I prefer Elden Ring, because at least in Elden Ring, I feel truly rewarded for my actions. I can say I made a good change when I beat Elden Ring, but in Bloodborne, the cycle just continues which is just depressing, also, I hate having to kill one person, just to protect others, especially since I just doom others by helping that one guy (I never learned his name, but he’s the guy who turns into a beast and kills everyone in Oedon Chapel if you send him there)
Characters in Elden Ring feel more memorable too. I can recall all my moments with Alexander, Millicent, Boc and Hewg, but I really couldn’t care less about Eileen, and both Melina and Doll feel lame in my opinion since one is never around, and the other doesn’t really have much to say. Chapel Dweller and Roderika are two characters I would defend with my body, mind and soul, and Patches can go fuck himself in both games
Overall, I personally enjoy Elden Ring better, however I’ve come a long way with Bloodborne. Back when I first played it, I hated it with a fiery passion. It took three playthroughs to change my mind on it, and I’ve come to both respect and enjoy it a lot. However given the Soulsborne community’s stance on it, I’ll put Bloodborne next to Elden Ring and Dark Souls 3 on my favourites of the series
I’m looking forward to the DLC when I get it, because Elden Ring’s was phenomenal and I can only imagine greatness from Bloodborne’s
To me, the soldier of godric was put there to make me not be afraid of the huge healthpools of bosses, it made me play braver, and this was my first fromsoftware game, so it helped me a ton.
You mean Rick, Soldier of God
I beat bloodborne and had absolutely no idea about anything in the story it wasn’t until like months later when I watched some RUclipsr breaking down the story that I said damn really? It gave me a new appreciation for it but yea it’s tough to even know how the fuck they know any of that I guess “reading” eh not for me
Elden Ring is disappointing by NeverKnowsBest sums up all my problems with Elden Ring.
First time was fun, second time was okay, third time I got exhausted and quit.
I've never done this with a souls before. I usually explore every kind of build possible and replay over and over. I just...can't with Elden Ring. Too much shit, and too much of it is just fluff.
I think Elden Ring is a step backwards for the series.
That's fair, I think souls games are the only games I have really replayed (except for Life is Strange I think), I think I have done 2 playthroughs of Elden Ring and while I have enjoyed it, I can see it being an awful lot.
I guess one question I would have would be, if you play other open world games, how do you feel Elden ring compares to those models? (Not really related, just a bit curious)
@@banquo I've never played an open-world game until Elden Ring. If this is a "good open world" I don't wanna touch the genre ever again.
@@vincentninja68 That's fair enough 😅
That NeverKnowsBest critique was pure bs. Anyone who knows what the word "meta" means already knows that if you're not going to use it you'll be at a disadvantage. It has existed since the dawn of souls. The rest of the video is a skill issue and like 10% is a subjective opinion. One of the worst ones for sure
Well sorry you fell that way but you are just wrong. Ive replayed elden ring more times than every other souls game to the max every time. It is 10 step forward in the right direction
Opinions, opinions...I don't thinkit's controversial to say that Bloodborne is the most tightly designed of the franchise... As for preference in combat,some ppl still defend DS2, like you say, it is an opinion, and it deviates enough to be it's own thing.
NOW... I love the series, and in terms of gameplay, DS3, Bloodborne, Sekiro and Elden Ring are all up there... But REALLY, Elden Ring has the best hitboxes of the series, with some wacky exceptions, but far less than any other entry. You very rarely feel cheated out, and that is the one thing it can be objectively compared to bloodborne, and it is objectively better in that sense.
But this isnt me simping for Elden Ring, i see that game as the most flawed entry alongside DS2, while Bloodborne, thanks to its narrow and focused scope, the game is borderline perfect. But if we bring what CAN be objectively compared in the combat, Elden Ring doeswhat can be compare 1 to 1 far better than bloodborne, because from soft doesnt just unlearn after every entry, they get better.
Both the pinnacle of Soulsborne games, and there's no wrong in playing one or the other. I feel both games have great bosses, except for some in Bloodborne being mediocre/bad (Nicolach, Witches, Living Failures, Darkbeast Paarl and more).
I feel the side content in both games reuses content, a lot. But ER the more important dungeons are marked, and most of the tend to be short, visually distinct and unique gimmicks (chariots, teleporting chests, jumping platforms, etc). Bloodborne's Chalice Dungeons feel less visually distinct, don't have gimmicks as unique as the ones in ER (unless reducing your health counts as one), are longer, there's not a lot of enemy/trap variety and there's also reuses of enemies and bosses as dungeon bosses.
Other than that, Bloodborne is my favorite, but I feel ER feels more consistent (at least in areas, main bosses and side content).
Im not hating on elden ring, but everyone should play bloodborne because I love it and I want a remaster with updated dungeons and I won’t play anything else ever please please come true