TSA keys & Government Backdoors

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  • TSA keys & Government Backdoors
    by The Mile High Lock Pickers
    Many in the locksport community have long experimented with decoding the "travel sentry" locks that are popular in the United States. The Transportation Security Administration is supposed to keep a set of master keys on hand to facilitate luggage searches and, as anyone who has watched the news lately knows, they have protected the secrecy of these keys about as well as any other secrets they're charged with keeping covered up. This talk will be a summary of the work that has been done thus far by notable figures in the lock picking world in order to decode these keys and create duplicates of various types. Rumors and misinformation will be dispelled and hopefully many sample TSA locks and keys will be on hand for people to examine, measure, and even test their own filed or 3D printed luggage keys.
    Presented at LockCon 2015 in Seattle, Washington
    Filmed by Keith Howell
    (Originally slated as a one-hour talk, this was a bit rushed in order to get the event back on schedule. Thank you to everyone who allowed us to run rapidly through this material and thank you to all who are going to keep on working on this going forward!)

Комментарии • 305

  • @SgtSeth
    @SgtSeth 4 года назад +71

    in 2012, I was with the a state National Guard unit. I was hand carrying about 40 pounds of classified 2,5" HDDs in a small pelican case for an exercise that was being conducted overseas. The HDDs were each individually wrapped in thin card board, then wrapped again in thin cardboard. We had military orders that acted as both passport and authorization to transport classified items. Along with other memorandums required by US and military regulations. We were also traveling with out intelligence officer, who is our physical security officer and authority on traveling with these types of items. I lay all of this out because of an incident we had with TSA in San Francisco. As we were returning from the exercise and passing through security, the TSA xray screeners passed the case I was carrying through the xray machine. Then passed it through again, with a look of confusion on their faces. They asked what was in the box, I informed them that these items were HDDs, showed them the documents to prove I was authorized to carry them. They asked to have the box unlocked and opened. I kindly declined, again showing them the paperwork which indicated that the box was to remain closed until we reached a secure facility. They got alil irritated, saying they were the TSA and could force the issue. I asked for a supervisor and asked my Intel Officer to intervene. The super and Intel Officer chatted, I was released with a still secured box. They should have known better, it should be apart of some yearly training

    • @shibasurfing
      @shibasurfing 2 года назад +11

      TSA in SFO is a joke. How do they conduct TSA pre-check? They hand you a laminated piece of paper that you carry through the checkpoint. I’m sure it would be completely impossible to bring your own!

  • @TallifTallonbrook
    @TallifTallonbrook 8 лет назад +791

    My daughters friend was turned down for loss prevention from a Target Store because he couldn't pass the background check. The next year he was working as a screener for the TSA.

    • @adamjhuber
      @adamjhuber 6 лет назад +127

      Tallif turned down at Target?! I thought as long as you had not smoked marijuana in the last 30 minutes you were OK for Target.

    • @Sarge92
      @Sarge92 6 лет назад +92

      thats what tripped them up loss prevention requires you havnt smoked pot in the last 33 minutes

    • @andrewcourt5156
      @andrewcourt5156 6 лет назад +3

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    • @theapexsurvivor9538
      @theapexsurvivor9538 5 лет назад +12

      @@Sarge92 nah, it was probably that target can pick up if you dropped acid 2 days ago, the government only cares about it if you dropped less than 24h ago...

    • @CynHicks
      @CynHicks 5 лет назад +26

      Government entities have huge budgets for checks. Private organizations usually don't. So, they'll rely on basic information where as government will dig deep enough to make a "true" assessment. Also, Target worries about being sued. Sorry it took me 3 years to respond but I was busy, dude.

  • @livndays45
    @livndays45 6 лет назад +465

    Deviant - the kind of guy to bring a macbook to an event, but run Windows on it.

    • @HidekiShinichi
      @HidekiShinichi 5 лет назад +31

      Paul McPherson thats more of a sane person that someone who uses mac os on any device, does not matter which.

    • @jmullentech
      @jmullentech 5 лет назад +16

      Run Debian on mine with some VMs of various sorts. OS X is alright buttttt meh. Privacy.

    • @JeremyAndersonBoise
      @JeremyAndersonBoise 5 лет назад +12

      John Mullen - Apple is arguably the most protecrive of user’s privacy among the tech giants, even among the biggest multinational corporations, generally. I don’t mean to say they are “the good guys,” but they are not the worst by far. What is the basis of your comment?

    • @sakuyarules
      @sakuyarules 5 лет назад +12

      @@JeremyAndersonBoise I'm guessing the basis of his comment is he has more privacy with his own linux setup than with apple's OS (which is far less customizable I assume).

    • @Racing_Fox413
      @Racing_Fox413 5 лет назад +5

      John Mullen much prefer OSX to windows

  • @TheMrVengeance
    @TheMrVengeance 5 лет назад +193

    11:45 - Wow, once again a news article about "OMG they replicated these keys" comes included with nice high-res side on pictures of the key(s) and even the 3D print design drawing/model.

  • @digitalninja85
    @digitalninja85 5 лет назад +126

    The only key ive ever seen the tsa use is a pair of bolt cutters. I even had the key for them to open my firearm case. Instead they chose to take it in the back and apparently just chopped it off. I didn't find out until I got to my destination. And btw it wasn't locked back up when I received it. Thanks TSA 👍

    • @slappy8941
      @slappy8941 5 лет назад +31

      What do you expect from convicted felons and highschool dropouts?

    • @merlinious01
      @merlinious01 5 лет назад +41

      Which is against the regulations. They aren't allowed to open gun containers if they are declared.

    • @KilerkRazorclaw
      @KilerkRazorclaw 5 лет назад +26

      My mother worked for them, you know what, we need a class action citizens lawsuit againt this foundation. Not againt the individual people but against this bullshit establishment that causes this bullshit.

    • @Shawnsrobloxworld
      @Shawnsrobloxworld 5 лет назад +6

      @@KilerkRazorclaw You can thank W Bush

    • @P_RO_
      @P_RO_ 5 лет назад +8

      @@Shawnsrobloxworld An "Inconvenient fact" about which person and political party was in power when the freedom-robbing "Patriot Acts" were put in place. When your enemy is yourself you deserve to lose the battle.

  • @scotshabalam2432
    @scotshabalam2432 6 лет назад +178

    The one thing you have to realize about TSA people and other wannabe-cops is that they highly value their limited authority and any additional authority they can gather so if you challenge it they will go out of their way to enforce it.
    Luckily for social engineers wherever there is self-deception there is also an opportunity for exploitable vulnerability.

    • @paco4756
      @paco4756 5 лет назад +9

      Spain has private security (basically mall cops) at most of their major airports. Not a fun experience.

    • @Robocopnik
      @Robocopnik 4 года назад +7

      lol TSA "people"

    • @pd4165
      @pd4165 4 года назад +6

      One thing that you have to realise is...
      Their job description is terrible and they won't lose their job for being over sensitive.
      There is a LEGITIMATE worry over security. But they hire minimum wage (no tips) staff to enforce it.
      If your mortgage relies on your awful job.....

    • @CONEHEADDK
      @CONEHEADDK 2 года назад +1

      A still pretty hot former model once told in a TV program, that life had taught her, the less power a person has, the more they see to love to enforce it. A little person with "huge" power is dangerous.

  • @Imtotallydiggingthis
    @Imtotallydiggingthis 5 лет назад +51

    Imagine what fun an expert ventriloquist could have with the TSA. Someone else walks up to the checkpoint. TSA dude goes "What's in the bag?"
    Ventriloquist goes: "C4"

  • @sgtbunny72
    @sgtbunny72 5 лет назад +5

    I have had several items stolen from my locked luggage that were not on the banned list. A note was left without noting anything was taken. Gotta love Boston TSA.

    • @OlympiaMarketing
      @OlympiaMarketing 4 года назад +2

      Had stuff stolen in Boston too.

    • @pd4165
      @pd4165 4 года назад

      Theft is nothing to do with flight security.

    • @OlympiaMarketing
      @OlympiaMarketing 4 года назад +2

      @@pd4165 huh?

  • @B.D.B.
    @B.D.B. 8 лет назад +73

    I had less trouble flying with replica firearms (airsoft) internationally than the guy with the lockpicks.

    • @pd4165
      @pd4165 4 года назад +6

      Oh no no no no no no no.
      I put a bag through my X ray machine.
      It had replica guns in it.
      I knew it.
      Everybody knew it.
      But we had to call the armed response team out to escort it to the outgoing aircraft.
      When I say 'replica' I meant 'child's toy'. Lots of man hours lost.
      Lock picks are just metal - in an aircraft hold they are as harmless as a firearm. But in a cabin they're as dangerous as a firearm. The 9/11 guys only had box cutters, but the cockpit wasn't locked.

    • @vid2ification
      @vid2ification 3 года назад +2

      Its easier to take drugs. Sometimes kicking the TSA person a joint is the the easiest way to keep your other drugs. Turn it, don't burn it.

  • @aettic
    @aettic Год назад +3

    I really enjoyed this format with the discussion and comments / stories at the end. Cool to hear everyone's experiences and opinions.

  • @logangeorge8643
    @logangeorge8643 4 года назад +9

    I'm that one kid that in 3rd grade I opened a TSA lock with a lego sword in like 2 seconds and keep in mind that I'm in 7th grade now but it was an accomplishment for me
    and great content by the way Deviant, keep it up

  • @ssl3546
    @ssl3546 5 лет назад +59

    32:12 - the most common question on the internal TSA bulletin board is, when are they going to get their guns

    • @orion8981
      @orion8981 3 года назад +5

      Never, because they're scum, lazy, or useless. Hell, sometimes they're all three.
      Something the government got right - Not giving McDonald's rejects firearms.

  • @aureliusva
    @aureliusva 7 лет назад +15

    This is the second video I have seen with this guy talking and it is horrifyingly fascinating.

  • @TheEzzran
    @TheEzzran 5 лет назад +48

    A TSA lock isn't intended to be more secure, and they aren't really there for the TSA, exactly. It's literally just "Here's a lock you can use if you don't want the TSA to have to cut your lock to check your luggage." So it's actually decidedly less secure, because the TSA lock's whole purpose is to let people get into it.

    • @mr_tom_1_0
      @mr_tom_1_0 5 лет назад +4

      The purpose of a TSA lock is to keep your bag from unzipping or unlatching accidentally during transit. That's why it's called a Transit Security Accessory

    • @Shocktrue1
      @Shocktrue1 5 лет назад +15

      the TSA shouldn't be opening your luggage, PERIOD. that's why they have checkpoints. it should be handled before the luggage ever leaves your sight, and once its out of your sight, or should remain closed until it gets back to you.
      a group of people that has zero interest in policing its own members and following its own policies across the board shouldn't're trusted or allowed to rummage through someone's belongings without them being present.

    • @0Clewi0
      @0Clewi0 5 лет назад +3

      What really made me angry once is that they did broke a TSA lock once when we went to the US (and it was there where they opened it because they were nice enough to put a flier inside)

    • @lauratimmel3402
      @lauratimmel3402 4 года назад +3

      The only time I flew with a lock on my luggage, it was gone by the time I arrived. It was a cheap TSA lock, but they just cut it off anyway (or removed it and forgot to put it back on?) for the pleasure of rifling through my clothes and toiletries. I haven't bothered with a lock since then.

  • @seanhornibrook
    @seanhornibrook 6 лет назад +38

    004 looks awfully like those really REALLY shitty tiny little locks that just have the two spring bars that you have to spread to open. You know - the first lock you picked as a very young kid. They come on nice little wooden boxes and such.

    • @Abdega
      @Abdega 5 лет назад +5

      Looks like my sister’s Pooh Bear keepsake box key

    • @legionofanon
      @legionofanon 5 лет назад +2

      a paperclip opens them XD

  • @timb2014
    @timb2014 5 лет назад +32

    $60 or $70 of two destroyed Abloys? That wont even cover the cost of one!

  • @jsihavealotofplaylists
    @jsihavealotofplaylists 4 года назад +36

    Makes me want to pack really secure boxes in boxes so they waste their time opening it

    • @pd4165
      @pd4165 4 года назад +3

      And miss your flight.
      You wanna be smug?

    • @jsihavealotofplaylists
      @jsihavealotofplaylists 4 года назад +15

      @@pd4165 I'd miss my flight for less. If pricks want to stand around all day and harass me I'll waste their time any day. Wrap every box in duct tape so they don't know which way it opens too.

    • @jsihavealotofplaylists
      @jsihavealotofplaylists 4 года назад +6

      @Salt Maker Like I said, I'm not in a hurry. I don't think you understand, that if I'm going to cause inconvenience it's already understood that I'll have to stand there with them. I'll be staring long and hard, just smiling. Maybe do a few stretches and comment how nice it is out. Talk to them about their day, ask why they're so up the ass, etc

  • @wesmatron
    @wesmatron 7 лет назад +31

    The manufacturing industry will jump on anything they can to bring controls in on 3D printing. Don't waste chances trying to open locks that the alternative is to cut them off anyway.

  • @77gravity
    @77gravity 6 лет назад +71

    3d printing is just a manufacturing process, if it didn't exist people would be milling keys and blanks the "old way". And I'm sure some people do anyway. Modern CNC machines are cheap, accurate, and will give a better result than a 3d printer, AND with better accuracy/resolution, and not plastic.

    • @Davvg
      @Davvg 5 лет назад +6

      77gravity there are $400 DLP 3D printers capable of 50 um resolution in the xy plane and 25 um layer heights.
      CNC is indisputably the way to go for true manufacturing though.

    • @victorpagan840
      @victorpagan840 5 лет назад +2

      I've taken a photo from a out 6-8 feet away, with my phone, did a little raster2vector, and had a working "replacement" in a few hours. On my HAAS minimill2...

    • @pd4165
      @pd4165 4 года назад +2

      The point that was missed - those firearms were made from plastic, not metal.
      You don't walk through a plastic detector at airports.

    • @tylisirn
      @tylisirn 4 года назад +5

      @@pd4165 Are your bullets and casings made of plastic too?

  • @gcdrummer02
    @gcdrummer02 6 лет назад +9

    Te TSA 03 was used a lot when I worked for them. That key was almost always broken on our rings, because of how skinny it was, so those locks were cut a lot anyway.

    • @lukeandris2277
      @lukeandris2277 3 года назад

      11:45 - Wow, once again a news article about "OMG they replicated these keys" comes included with nice high-res side on pictures of the key(s) and even the 3D print design drawing/model.

  • @lukeandris2277
    @lukeandris2277 3 года назад

    This is good information. Next time I need to buy a lock I'll keep things like this in mind.
    I only flew with firearms, as a civilian anyway, one time out of SEATAC airport. There was an overtly polite man with an Australian accent who took me to the side and had me open everything for him so he could make sure it was all packed correctly; he put a tag on it after I locked it back up and then I went on my way. That being said, I haven't flown since leaving the military. Too much hassle unless it's for work and you just absolutely have to be there quick. When I drove back home to Kentucky I made it from Fort Lewis to eastern Kentucky in 4 days and I drove my own car with as much as I wanted to pack inside of it. Not always, but most of the time, even if I was in military uniform with my ID and orders to go somewhere I would have to stop and take off my boots and everything. And carrying classified material in a double locked box through a civilian airport, and telling them it can't be x-rayed, even with proper documentation, sure raised some eyebrows and caused the whole line to pause for a moment. You can tell that, generally speaking, the TSA agents mean well, but aren't especially well trained to handle anything except making sure John and Jane Doe don't have guns and explosives in their carry-on. Even their training is inconsistent. I've been to some airports where, if you had a bottle of some drink, they'd dip a detector strip in it to make sure it wasn't dangerous, and I've been to other airports where they just wave you on through.

  • @sarowie
    @sarowie 8 лет назад +66

    If the goverments wants to open luggage, they can use a bolt cutter. At the end of day, it is just a luggage. All you can ask for is a temper evident system. If an agent thinks he would like to get in, he gets in anyway. Or the luggage gets "lost in transit". What we don´t want is, that the agent or airport personal add items - even temporary - to our personal belongings, which then might get found by a playful dog and his not so playful master.

    • @legionofanon
      @legionofanon 5 лет назад +7

      Add gun parts, like a rifle receiver. If they break in they are in violation of federal law pertaining to firearms. (=

    • @NimbleJack3
      @NimbleJack3 5 лет назад +12

      Deviant's done that and they STILL cut open his luggage.

    • @0Clewi0
      @0Clewi0 5 лет назад +1

      Believe me, TSA locks work for that, once I went to the us, we got a TSA lock and in the way back I don't get how they actually try to open it but the lock was resealed on the side with a black paste (dry at the moment we got our luggage) and a note inside (because we really needed confirmation that they opened it ¬¬)

  • @ulogy
    @ulogy 6 лет назад +15

    Of note to the Q&A: Had my SouthOrd JackKnife pick set taken by CBSA (Canadian TSA) - First time they tried it I talked them down. So I threw it in my luggage next time. The whole keychain was removed and a notice was left.
    Nothing of real value was lost (Except my house key and bike lock key. Good thing I knew how to pick! [EDIT: Picked the bike lock, not the house.) But it was a total dick move.
    As far as TSA goes, I have minimal issues, but I also signed up for NEXUS years ago, so they presumably know all the weird shit they could want to know about me.

  • @pd4165
    @pd4165 4 года назад +5

    Years late...and from a European perspective.....
    I used to be a baggage handler. A specialist one. I had an X ray machine at my disposal.
    We had carte blanche to open suspect cases. If we wanted to open a case...it was going to be opened, destructively if needs be. Expensive lock? Bolt cutters. Tiddly lock? Screwdriver.
    Sometimes it's best to play a bluff - if you aren't carrying anything that needs insurance then use duct tape rather than a lock. We had tape. We are also human and would do our best to secure luggage after the fact. But we didn't have padlocks.
    The main problem with baggage was missing labels - with no label we don't know what plane to put it on. Check in staff are the lowest of the low - they are minimum wage and don't much care where they stick labels - often where they'd be ripped off by the mechanised distribution system.
    So write your phone number and flight number/destination on the outside of your bag! With a sharpie on brown furniture tape. What happens if your bag misses your flight? Bad shit. It's an orphan. It's LOW priority.
    And be discrete.
    Genuine Louis Vuiton?
    It gets special treatment - from the proletariat. Ooops! It's fallen under my wheels, where there is no camera to see it.
    Be relatable, not flashy.
    Best lock? One that can withstand a sneaky (low level) attack but isn't so expensive that it attracts attention. Same goes for bags.
    And try not to make it look like a bomb - wires (headphones) and phones can be mistaken for trigger devices - keep them well separated. Once I had a bag X rayed and it was a bomb. I got into my vehicle and drove to the perimeter fence on the other side of the airport.
    What it really was was a block of cheese (looks like C4), a phone and earphones. The airport was closed for 3 hours.
    Don't be a dick - blend in. I'm not saying 'bend over to take it up your dark hole' - but discretion is better than fighting a lost cause (and missing your flight). You're dealing with government lackeys, and they're arsewipes.

  • @CONEHEADDK
    @CONEHEADDK 2 года назад

    IDEA - if you need/want to lock you suit case, and expect it to be opened, you could put a tag on the lock, with the message: "Please put one of the opened extra locks, there is in the suit case, on, if you need to bolt cut it open. Thank you for your taking care of our security".

  • @WilliamPetefish
    @WilliamPetefish 8 лет назад +176

    Wanna raise even more eyebrows at a checkpoint, fly with 4 25' ethernet cables, 4 micro USB cables, BIG laptop battery, 1 laptop + charger, and some networking gear.
    Or as my friend found out, fly with 10 HDDs in your pack.

    • @WilliamPetefish
      @WilliamPetefish 8 лет назад +1

      Watched it already. That was a riot.

    • @DavidSmith-xv2hc
      @DavidSmith-xv2hc 8 лет назад +10

      Mr. Petefish, I am not a computer person. If you don't mind, could you explain why it would raise eyebrows?

    • @onthefence928
      @onthefence928 7 лет назад +73

      it loioks like a bunch of bomb making equipment is the TSA guy is tech illiterate

    • @Kitchcube
      @Kitchcube 7 лет назад +28

      Rafael Mendoza So if its a TSA guy.

    • @faradaysage15
      @faradaysage15 6 лет назад +44

      I often fly with 10+ harddrives. These idiots have no idea what they are. They missed the razor blades I forgot about in the side of my backpack for 10 flights (I did too lol). I know Atlanta missed them for certain because nothing was stolen in my pack.

  • @JohnDoe-vq6vr
    @JohnDoe-vq6vr 8 лет назад +44

    Not too long ago I decided to padlock a box where I store my prescribed medicines to keep my toddler safe. I decided to buy a 3 digit combo lock. At the store shelf there were two identical small combo locks but for some strange reason, the TSA version was more expensive. So we are being charged more to allow others to scavenge through our things. I guess the lock makers fool us by making us think it's safer. It is safer in a sense to help the tsa but shouldn't is cost less to help the tsa to do their thing.

    • @tookitogo
      @tookitogo 6 лет назад +16

      John Doe Or maybe they charge more because they have to add the extra mechanism for the TSA key.

    • @jamescooley8312
      @jamescooley8312 5 лет назад +4

      There's no approval that they need to produce TSA locks as they said in the video. They're told the bitting and sometimes are given the keys (except for the 006.) There is nothing they need to pay extra for, and the pins and springs need to be put in just the same, so that costs nothing extra from a manufacturing standpoint. The only thing that would cost extra would be the red diamond or whichever symbol they add.

    • @danpowell806
      @danpowell806 5 лет назад +4

      Putting a keyway on a combination lock adds expense.

    • @Davvg
      @Davvg 5 лет назад +2

      Antonio Tejada that doesn’t change the fact that as a consumer you are basically paying for a backdoor into your lock. (Despite the fact the lock is probably not great to begin with)

  • @thegardenofeatin5965
    @thegardenofeatin5965 4 года назад +1

    I once had a TSA guy put me through the big booth metal detector thing, pull on some latex gloves and started reaching for my cargo pocket on my jeans. This man gingerly extracted...a Nutrigrain bar that I was going to eat for breakfast on the way to the airport and forgot about. The aluminized mylar wrapper set off the detector apparently.
    Surprised I wasn't detained.

  • @danielrhouck
    @danielrhouck 5 лет назад +5

    Honestly, the TSA-approved lock isn't even the most vulnerable point on my luggage. My suitcase is *flimsy*. I don't put anything valuable in there.
    When I do have valuable stuff, it's usually digital, and I have good encryption, passwords, and 2FA as appropriate.

    • @pd4165
      @pd4165 4 года назад

      Good point, well made.
      Airport staff would like your cash or easily transferable goods - it's a low tech scenario.

  • @machinerin151
    @machinerin151 4 года назад +2

    12:25 "for way more money than it should cost", said they, unaware of the fact that in 2016 Anet A8, cheapest fully featured Prusa i3, was going to come out and change 3D printing forever.

  • @macnutz4206
    @macnutz4206 4 года назад +6

    I just played with one of those TSA locks, for the first time. I must laugh. It took seconds for a complete beginner to pick it open. A beginner who had never attempted a wafer lock before. But I must admit, it took just over a minute to decode it. My first attempt at decoding a combination locks of this type.
    There is not a luggage handler at any airport in the world that can not defeat those locks very quickly.
    The TSA and those stupid locks are part of why I never visit the States any more.
    The TSA uniformed people are bumbling clumsy and startlingly unprofessional. i think it would be easy to get around them if one is determined and reasonably clever.
    The TSA guards and the baggage handlers are two significant weak points in airport security.
    You get what you pay for. The TSA pays shit and tends to recruit people who fit the pay. There are TSA guards who could not work for any private security company because they can't pass a superficial background check, but they can work for the TSA.
    There are some very good people working for the TSA but they are outnumbered by the questionable ones.

  • @TomNardi
    @TomNardi 8 лет назад +21

    Just to be clear, TSA003 has been tested and works for all the people who've printed it (though admittedly, not many). Ars Technica even did a video/article on printing and using a TSA003 key. In fact, I contacted the author of that article and he helped nail down some of of the specifics of the key that I later merged into the repo.
    Which brings me to something I would like to comment on about this presentation, actually.
    There's a lot of talk here about the research "us", "we", and "the community" has or is doing; and while I don't doubt there are people out there experimenting and maybe even finding new things out, I'd like to make it clear as somebody involved with the actual refinement of these models that on the whole that info has never came back to us or been incorporated into the project. Johnny Xmas did do the leg work on finding the proper dimensions on some of the keys, but outside of that there's been very little info exchange with the people who've been using these things.
    You mention people are still working on refining 007, but who are they? We've closed all the issues/PRs people have put in for 007, and to the best of our knowledge it's one of the keys that's "in the bag" so to speak. If there are people out there with issues with 007, much less improvements, we'd certainly love to hear them.
    I don't want to sound like "that dude", and believe me when I say that exposure for the project is certainly appreciated. But this talk makes it sound like some big distributed effort when in reality it's basically just been a couple of us doing trial and error. I'd love to see any progress or research done by others get folded into the project, especially as you say for some of the more esoteric keys, but it just hasn't been happening as far as I can tell.

    • @DeviantOllam
      @DeviantOllam  8 лет назад +6

      I have yet to see a single-sided 007 key as envisioned here... enterthecore.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/key-007-hacked.png ... that could be laser cut from acrylic and used with a turning tool for maximum resilience.

    • @faritmutugullin
      @faritmutugullin 7 лет назад +3

      What's the repo and the project?

  • @shibasurfing
    @shibasurfing 2 года назад

    I have flown with handcuffs, leg irons, and lockpicks regularly with no problem in recent years. So it must have worked!

  • @rustysreality1091
    @rustysreality1091 4 года назад +3

    13:52 Just came across this awesomeness world. You mentioned you have never seen an 003... But 2nd one pictured at this time stop is an 003.?? Just an observation.

  • @nic12344
    @nic12344 5 лет назад +11

    You don't even need a key to open a TSA lock...
    I once lost my key and picked my lock with 2 paperclips in under 1 minute.
    Oh and I suck at lock picking!

  • @christopherkemsley4758
    @christopherkemsley4758 5 лет назад +1

    An interesting note for you: I have in front of me *two* brass 007 locks. One is old (several years) and the other is new (one month). The old one comes with a single-sided key; the new one comes with a mirrored/double-sided key. Their keys don't work in each other. The new key will physically fit in the old lock, but will not unlock it (even if I try partial-insertions). The old barely fits in the new lock (I have to jiggle it to make it go in) but doesn't turn it. Even in the 007 lock, the keys don't appear interchangeable...

    • @DeviantOllam
      @DeviantOllam  5 лет назад +2

      The mastered TSA key will work in both of them, though.

    • @TheLastCockney
      @TheLastCockney 5 лет назад

      @@DeviantOllam Or just use a "city" rake 😉

  • @ThEfRaNk469
    @ThEfRaNk469 5 лет назад +1

    On lock picks- I just flew back from Las Vegas. I had a readyman E&E Card. I got flagged because they thought I had a knife. I showed the card and said it was a set of lock picks and they glossed right over the zip tie saw upon physical inspection. Yay being the grey man. I did just have neck surgery and they seemed more concerned about feeling me up?

  • @THOMAS01ify
    @THOMAS01ify 4 года назад +1

    Third video I've watched I'm hooked I'm ordering every key I can find I'm in construction half the time guys dont know where a key is I'm very Intrested in security keys example light switch keys water keys also my personal favorite equipment keys the video of security pin boxes is so funny I snorted water out my nose.

  • @Juancholoco710
    @Juancholoco710 4 года назад +2

    They’re not allowed to pick them anymore, they cut them. And they would get in your bag no matter what. Even if they have to give your stuff in a box

  • @McOldwolf
    @McOldwolf 3 года назад

    I know it's an old talk.. still can laugh about "no ones ever seen an #3"... and in the very next slide there's clearly a #3 printed key with an opened lock. Love your talks btw. :)

  • @JohnW118
    @JohnW118 Год назад

    Just watched this and had to stop at 3:11. I have a TSA003 lock, well used, and had been looking for a key for it. For years.
    In fact, I have two of them that have travelled the world (parts of it) with me. One is a cable and the other is a shackle. Both have the Victorinox shield-cross logo (like Swiss Army knives) on the lock in addition to the TSA diamond logo. Marked TSA003 - the keyway looks like a V. It is pin-tumbler.
    The Noob Woodworker post below points out why maybe they stopped being used.
    Buying a TSA003 master key from Multipick just seems way too expensive...

  • @irongeek
    @irongeek 8 лет назад +27

    I have a few TSA003 now.

    • @DeviantOllam
      @DeviantOllam  8 лет назад +16

      +Adrian Crenshaw that's so terrific to hear, man. have you been able to test any of them?

  • @sodalines
    @sodalines 8 лет назад

    I have made the keys using a 3d printer, Now im making them with key blanks. great video

  • @justaguy427
    @justaguy427 5 лет назад +1

    LOL..... Those locks aren't even touched by TSA Officers. You insert a pen into the zipper track, pull luggage lid open, conduct search. Cycle zipper tabs to re-link zippers..
    Done deal..
    In the event the luggage doesn't have zippers, most Officers can open them by ear and sight because they are terrible lock designs. But if needed.. keys are available but as a last resort..
    The highest ranking TSA employee at each airport is the FSD. Federal Security Director.
    My favorite is hearing how so many people appear to be experts on an agency they have never worked for.
    Trust me.. I know :)

  • @life_with_bernie
    @life_with_bernie 5 лет назад +10

    13:00 - "No one, as far as I know, has ever seen a 'TSA 03'"
    13:34 - Puts up a picture of an open lock with a TSA 03 key in it.

    • @DeviantOllam
      @DeviantOllam  5 лет назад +9

      In the wild, heh. But, yes. :-)

    • @life_with_bernie
      @life_with_bernie 5 лет назад

      @@DeviantOllam If not in the wild then where did they get the lock from?

    • @DeviantOllam
      @DeviantOllam  5 лет назад

      @@life_with_bernie from someone's collection. Number 003 is incredibly rare.

    • @life_with_bernie
      @life_with_bernie 5 лет назад

      @@DeviantOllam And that person didn't get it "in the wild"?

    • @SLLabsKamilion
      @SLLabsKamilion 4 года назад +3

      @@life_with_bernie Generally, "In the wild" means in active use, not sitting idle in someone's bag of locks on shelf three, bay 14. I got one with my swissgear backpack about a decade ago, have never used it for travel even once because it was a four letter combolock. Might've used it if it had digits, but it's clear they used letters to reduce down to six letters per position instead of ten digits.

  • @kevinwilliams9661
    @kevinwilliams9661 4 года назад +1

    Have any of you guys ever went through TSA checkpoint with the TSA key ring? I would love to hear about their reaction and the looks on their face!

  • @marcuss4808
    @marcuss4808 4 года назад +2

    Anyone know if the Police Interceptor Ford Explorers still use the 1284 &/or 1294 Keys????
    What about the police fleet Dodge Chargers?

    • @FSKN-Rossii
      @FSKN-Rossii 4 года назад

      Also curious

    • @marcuss4808
      @marcuss4808 4 года назад

      Johnson 5mm someone claimed to have answered this w/ a pdf link to a manual where I asked the same question... if I find the link I’ll post it

  • @QuaaludeCharlie
    @QuaaludeCharlie 5 лет назад +4

    Thank You guys , I Subbed a few Months ago , been watching a lot of these Videos , Great Content ) QC

  • @Tunkkis
    @Tunkkis 4 года назад +1

    The age of this clip is begining to show. 3D printed guns, and 3D printing technology in general, have been becoming more and more viable over the years. If you are interested in the least in 3D printing guns, is strongly suggest you check out the work of Deterrence Dispensed and Jeff Rodriguez. Very interesting stuff. Live free or die!

  • @moth.monster
    @moth.monster 5 лет назад +10

    The government should not always be trusted. If a bad person gets into the government, the government can do bad things. Simple as that. And all a bad person needs to get into government is good social skills or a fake resume.

    • @pd4165
      @pd4165 4 года назад

      SO many ways this is naive BS
      1) Pay the government enough so they have the facility to employ honest people.
      2) Stop viewing the government as an entity rather than a bunch of individuals.
      3) Stop expecting 'the government' to be better than the people down the street. Only your family and friends care about you - and not many of those.

  • @richw.6296
    @richw.6296 4 года назад

    I have vintage, non TSA luggage from Japan that I use when transporting firearms. That way, if TSA wants to get in, they have to come get me. They aren’t supposed to open your luggage without your presence when there is a firearm present.

  • @mr_tom_1_0
    @mr_tom_1_0 5 лет назад +3

    Wish this video had the slides bigger and the handsome gentlemen smaller.

  • @BernardBolduc
    @BernardBolduc 7 лет назад +7

    Late to the party, I didn't see this video before. But just to clarify, I printed my key in the video with cheap PLA.

  • @LiEnby
    @LiEnby 5 лет назад +1

    Has TSA006 been cracked yet ?
    Another note, I've seen (what looks like) that 03 lock on a few "my private diary" or whatever kids toys awhile back
    .

    • @DeviantOllam
      @DeviantOllam  5 лет назад

      You are right about the 003 looking like a super generic key and in many ways it is.
      As far as 006, I don't know if anyone has officially done it yet but it's been on my list to get precise measurements for quite some time.

  • @thomasr1051
    @thomasr1051 4 года назад +2

    they have since bashed out the pins on his pelican case

  • @milolc
    @milolc 3 года назад

    I am very, very late to the party here, but I think 003 is for an old luggage lock. It looks a lot like I remember the luggage key for my great grandparents suitcase looking. Kinda like a smallish car key.

  • @marktownsend2384
    @marktownsend2384 3 года назад

    Only time I think I saw airport security people confused about anything in my luggage was back in 06 or 07. I had one of those little flash-memory walkman things from Sony in my carry-on, clipped to a pocket. I think it was a NW-405. I was going through Buffalo, flying down to Newark. They X-Rayed my bag, then again, then they got out the explosives swabbing gear and kept going through stuff. They seemed really confused about the whole thing. I don't know, maybe the little LiPo in there looked like a blasting cap or something. Nice people though.

  • @carmp3fan
    @carmp3fan 4 года назад

    Have you found luggage with the TSA006 to mess with since this video? I’m pretty sure I have one or two of these that I don’t want.

  • @PelDaddy
    @PelDaddy 4 года назад

    Great info, but we ARE talking about luggage locks. Luggage you willingly hand to another entity for hours on end. I kind of always expected someone was going through my luggage. What do I use? I use ZipTies on my zippers. It is generally obvious if someone opened it (I cut the ZipTies with flush side cutters so it is unlikely, though not impossible for someone to get into them without my knowledge. I have many times found TSA "We opened your luggage for security" pamphlets in my luggage. I doubt it had much to do with what was inside (maybe a tripod?). If you want privacy you cannot late your luggage leave your control, otherwise, FUGETABOUTIT!

  • @rustledjammies8769
    @rustledjammies8769 5 лет назад +4

    "Can they chop your locks off?" sounds familiar, Hmmmmm.

  • @mcb187
    @mcb187 4 года назад

    I had a TSA lock at one point, they just left it on my bag, key still in it... might still have it somewhere lol

  • @doublecheckityt
    @doublecheckityt 5 лет назад +3

    LPL needs a TSA 006

  • @kol2456
    @kol2456 6 лет назад +2

    37:20 The newer TSA scanners aren't interupted by PCBs anymore. don't do this today or it'll look even more suspicious

    • @StrokeMahEgo
      @StrokeMahEgo 6 лет назад

      Only the x Ray machines get blocked by this. The special body scan things do not. He even mentioned that.

    • @Abdega
      @Abdega 5 лет назад +2

      I had a hard time hearing what that guy was saying,
      Why did TSA scanners have a problem with PCBs?

  • @christopherkemsley4758
    @christopherkemsley4758 5 лет назад +2

    Question: are you saying Abloy Protec, from abloy.com?

  • @DursunX
    @DursunX 5 лет назад +2

    the illusion of security is the name of the game.
    just like a mafia shakedown... comply or we cant guarantee your safety.
    but everyone here already knows that, its the other 3 billion people that im worried about

  • @AdamRapier
    @AdamRapier 7 лет назад

    TSA006 is a dimple lock along with ABUS being a high end lock manufacture in Europe even their pad locks are difficult to get into. Be interesting to hear if someone has been able to get into them now.

    • @FunkOsax
      @FunkOsax 5 лет назад +1

      Check out The Lock Picking Lawyer on RUclips. He gets in to ABUS pretty quickly

  • @GG-nv8gt
    @GG-nv8gt 4 года назад

    TSA- if you have a zippered case they can gently wiggle, pull apart the zippered section, open it. When finished use the zipper to close it.

    • @pd4165
      @pd4165 4 года назад +1

      Zipper = biro into the zipper.

  • @dimonirischar5522
    @dimonirischar5522 3 года назад

    These TSA locks are kid play. It ain't all that like you think. It doesn't matter what number TSA locks it is you can unlock it if you know or understand how the mechanisms work. I need no fancy key(s) to open any of these TSA locks.

  • @deadso
    @deadso 6 лет назад +1

    Bit late on the subject but; do these keys leave marks, ie. can an investigator/detective see that the lock was picked instead of the right key being used?

    • @SlayerO013
      @SlayerO013 6 лет назад +1

      I've never used an actual key to open my 007's but I can see no marks in the tiny keyway from picking and I've used many different things to get in. The Master can be opened with a high security wooden toothpick, for example.

    • @jeremiahseitz9842
      @jeremiahseitz9842 5 лет назад

      That's the point: they ARE the correct keys, so it wouldn't fail an integrity test, even with an SEM.

  • @snbeast9545
    @snbeast9545 4 года назад

    That sticker on his MacBook, tho. That's some clever shit there.

  • @Catcrumbs
    @Catcrumbs 4 года назад +1

    12:12 I suppose you will be surprised to learn that there are many places where it is not legal for the general public to manufacture their own guns. In those places, 3D printing has the potential to serve as a means of obtaining guns with a relatively low barrier to entry for those who would otherwise not be able to obtain any.

    • @tylisirn
      @tylisirn 4 года назад +1

      It may not be legal, but illegal doesn't make it difficult. All you need is $20 worth of plumbing supplies and a hacksaw to manufacture a gun that probably won't explode in your hand when you fire it and that you can fire more than once. Versus $300+ 3D printer... And as someone who owns a 3D printer, I can say that the 3D printed one will definitely not be easier to make.

  • @dikstertrikster9668
    @dikstertrikster9668 6 лет назад

    I realize this is an old video, but i just found it and decided to share this. i recently flew United out of O hare and was in line for boarding and looked out the huge window onto a flat roof and spotted something strange. the roof top was littered with cut padlocks. the only access to this area is by United personnel.

    • @LiEnby
      @LiEnby 5 лет назад

      Cut them and throw it out the window?

  • @mattmchenry6835
    @mattmchenry6835 6 лет назад

    I have some cheap 006 padlocks now. I bought them in 2 separate purchases and they were keyed alike lol

  • @elguapo1690
    @elguapo1690 5 лет назад +1

    26:10, the guy realizes he doesn't have a question, just wanted to tell a story too.

  • @mclaine33
    @mclaine33 4 года назад +2

    Pretty dumb to not have those files encrypted on the server.

  • @maxmyzer9172
    @maxmyzer9172 3 года назад

    The trick is, on the padlock, add a tamper switch of sorts, or circuit break that happens if the shackle is cut. (like a shackle with a channel in the middle, or insulate the shackle and run electricity through it), then have it trigger: a camera inside the luggage to turn on and record and/or an alarm. maybe even hook it up to some cheap electronics and have it text you

  • @JreUK
    @JreUK 4 года назад

    Hey deviant, do u happen to know when the 2020 shakacon is? And will you be there?

  • @rachelf6745
    @rachelf6745 4 года назад

    TSA-06 kinda looks like my old apartment bldg key, at least in the security measures
    the door to my suite was a shitty kwikset i think, but the key to the bldg was super secure

  • @robertdole5391
    @robertdole5391 4 года назад

    Do Pelican Cases use the TSA006 key

  • @redheadrambo
    @redheadrambo 4 года назад

    Where the heck did you get that Montana hacker shirt?

  • @Thematt11
    @Thematt11 3 года назад

    I don't see what the 'security' issue is here. If you want to open a suitcase all you need is a ball point pen to pop the zip. The only purpose these locks serve is to lull the owner of the case into a false sense of security.

  • @ImprisonedDragonfly
    @ImprisonedDragonfly 7 лет назад

    guys, can you tell me what model abus luggage lock i want... that has the 006 pattern?

    • @faradaysage15
      @faradaysage15 6 лет назад

      Ask JohnnyXmas, it's not cheap. They come mainly on briefcases

  • @giovannirevilla2638
    @giovannirevilla2638 4 года назад

    Fingerprints lock pad?

  • @noahpaulette1490
    @noahpaulette1490 5 лет назад +1

    1000x1000 = really really nice picture lol

  • @bmxscape
    @bmxscape 5 лет назад +1

    "sensitive information - do not copy or post"

  • @snowrulz88888888
    @snowrulz88888888 5 лет назад +2

    I'm sure you are already aware they now sell the 006 lock on amazon.

  • @j.pedersen8243
    @j.pedersen8243 4 года назад

    Tsa 03 is sold in Europe on suitcases and briefcases junk lock

  • @StefanBacon
    @StefanBacon Год назад

    They literally give you butter knives on the plane...

  • @JessHull
    @JessHull 8 лет назад +2

    use a pelican with padlocks that have really beefy shackle guards

    • @pebkacwtf
      @pebkacwtf 7 лет назад

      Jess Hull then sometimes they will pull the pins out of the hinge, or if there's no firearm in it they will cut the lock

    • @pteppig
      @pteppig 5 лет назад +4

      @@pebkacwtf add an unloaded starter pistol or flare gun. Regulations force them to contact you to open it.

    • @jcob4197
      @jcob4197 5 лет назад

      username or just a rifle lower

  • @stampydragon2739
    @stampydragon2739 4 года назад

    I can consistently pick the 006

  • @sodalines
    @sodalines 8 лет назад +2

    you dont have to use tsa locks on your bags. I only use hard cases with ruko locks. iv been though security at the airport at least 10 times without a problem.

  • @ems_nightcreature8209
    @ems_nightcreature8209 5 лет назад

    Hello, what abloy locks fit the pelican cases? Thanks!

    • @DeviantOllam
      @DeviantOllam  5 лет назад +1

      PL321 locks are very small and fit easily. PL330 are the largest and strongest ones that can still fit through the hasps of a Pelican case.

    • @ems_nightcreature8209
      @ems_nightcreature8209 5 лет назад

      @@DeviantOllam Thank you for the fast reply! I have been enjoying your videos, they should come in handy at our small VFD.

  • @alwayslive7460
    @alwayslive7460 4 года назад

    show us what the '03 lock looks like...!

  • @samanthascreamsalot8645
    @samanthascreamsalot8645 7 лет назад +1

    Nice Montana Hacker Shirt, I'm a pen tester in Missoula and was wondering where you got that shirt.

  • @RimWulf
    @RimWulf 5 лет назад

    You can actually buy keys to TSA keys online.

  • @james10739
    @james10739 5 лет назад

    I dont fly but ya that all sounds like it sucks dealing with idiots

  • @jamesfair4023
    @jamesfair4023 5 лет назад

    I've got a set of 003 locks and keys

  • @nickcarnevalino7462
    @nickcarnevalino7462 2 месяца назад

    hey , lest make the cheapest locks that anyone with 2 month experience lock picking could open , then we put a master key on it and THEN sell it as a good lock!!

  • @Raven-qj9gv
    @Raven-qj9gv 3 года назад

    Not at all surprised.

  • @Carter-dv4hz
    @Carter-dv4hz 4 года назад

    I don't think you actually need to carry a full firearm in your luggage, a slide, trigger mechanism, or barrel will qualify.