Appreciate you all, just wanted to talk about some Victor and give you an update on the channel going forward. In the section where we go over some moves I’ve been using more I think I didn’t say the full move it was B31 when in the video I only said B 1+2 😂. Next video again will be a ranked one so be ready for that!
Great content man, keep it up. One underrated and niche move I would add is d+1 in a round ending situations. Unlike d4,d3 etc. it can't be low parried so you are not giving your opponent the chance to comeback with a low parry on 1px hp :]
you're keeping me inspired to keep learning this hard ass game, just dropped out of mighty ruler but ive grown an attachment to victor, even bought a hitbox for this game after all the other fighting games ive played with a pad for so many years
@@corey4191 I love to hear it man, I’m glad I am able to keep you inspired for this game. It isn’t the easiest to learn we all started out not being great. Once you play more and understand the core game itself everything comes to you like it’s nothing. Keep at it!!! You will not regret the journey!!!
@@sanchandosu I’m glad I can help, that’s what I’ve used this platform for I want to get other players leveled up where they can experience great improvement in all levels of play.
Few words about B31 - it's the most consistent punisher for moves with pushback (usually you'll see those from Bryan, Kazuya, Paul and Claudio). Although 222 and FF2 are also good options for that for Iai or possible launcher respectively but there's always a risk to whiff them in some scenarios. And also one of Perfumer setups I like to use when I have a bit of heat meter left or to finish the round - perf -> sillage -> heat smash. Catches really well those who try to fuzzy block low or side step because a lot of players tend to forget/overlook Sillage
@@Lotus_awakening discovered this today by pure chance but apparently expulsion can be executed from full crouch state. It's nearly impossible to get it from regular crouching state but sillage puts you in full crouch on animation end and you can consistently input U1+2. I guess it can be a decent mixup in heat if you feel like opponent will keep crouching to block heat smash or will try to hit you during sillage
@@bruhbruh5725yeah I didn’t know this, it actually could be good still for baiting an opponents low attack then you doing it right after since it has some Iframes on the startup animation
Great video! Yeah IAI stance is risky.. Now that I’m Tekken King, I play Gods and they always duck the high out of the stance, then launch for a million damage. I also wish IAI 1 was safe on block, I think Gino it’s -12. If Vic had better frames low pokes it would be awesome. Hatchet kick with Bryan in 19f and +3 on hit.. If you block it it’s only -13.. Wish Vic had something remotely Close to that.
@@sharma4826 see you know what’s happening lmao it gets super annoying being up in higher ranks when you have such a super high risk stance against better players
@@Lotus_awakening Going ti start my God push soon.. I’ll attempt to use perfumer more. I usually use it in oki for the 1+2, or in combos.. I wish the perfumer 1 low was not locked behind stance lol. It’s essentially our best low. Also 1+2 goated.. If you can keep Bryan and big move characters under 15 frames it makes the game much more tolerable at higher levels.
8:09 Only Kazuya can launch at -13 from crouch (Eddy's i13 ws launcher doesn't connect because the first hit is a high and Victor recovers in crouch). Jin's ws+2 is i14, Jun's ws+3 is i14, they couldn't ever launch PRF+1.
@@genzo454 they can launch victors others lows D4 is launch punishable by Jin, Jun, and Kaz, D3 launch punishable to kaz, D1 -17 launch punishable by everyone lmao. DB4 -26, iai 4 -13, iai D1+2 -29, the point is the majority of victors lows are launch punishable and you get no reward out of them besides DB4 counter hit launch. Victors low pokes are actually terrible when half the cast doesn’t have to take massive risks with lows and there lows do more damage then victors. It’s weird Jin D2 has the same priority as victors DB4 but his is only -14 while victors is -29. It’s bad character design where you make a character have to take a massive risk for such little reward when most do not have to ya know
@@Lotus_awakening I'm aware, I main Victor. I was not making any statement on Victor's other lows, only PRF+1. Personally, I would like to see d+3 be only -12 on block, or not be - on hit. Also, why did they make d+1 -6 on hit? It should be only like -3 on hit (it only deals like 8 damage!) I play Victor in a very scrubby way (mash either 1, 1+2, or d/b+4) so I guess it doesn't affect me too much, but still, would be nice. I think the devs are just (rightfully) afraid of making Victor top 5, as he is already top 10.
On the topic of Victor's relevance at the highest levels of play, seeing players like AO do well gives me hope to see the character played into the future. But even he has to play the character really cautiously, with lots of counterhit baiting & reads-heavy gameplay (1+2 is GOATED). Victor's mix game not being best-in-class hopefully doesn't sink his representation in big tournaments
@@FreakinTheComments right AO the one that gives me so much hope when seeing the character. Again Victor isn’t a bad character it just seems his representation is dropping more as the game develops which sucks cause he does bring a lot still to the table ya know
@@Lotus_awakening yeah AO rocks, our last hope to not see Dragunov vs Dragunov finals every time. Sad to see that Farzeen is lately being not very lucky and Meo-il completely went off the radar
@@bruhbruh5725Farzeen I loved watching as well but even he is looking at other characters since Victor has fallen off the meta so much, Mei-il idk what happen to him it’s crazy he just vanished
Ive been palying a lot of small tekken with vic lately. Playing safe, utilizing punishment opportunities, & using a lot of raw perfumer to parry punches. I kinda like where Victor is at the moment I'd rate him a high mid-tier character
@@RobC2201_ right that’s where my gameplan is shifting more, small Tekken because he has a lot of it, but if I want to take a risk I could but have to be careful where my health is at. I do agree I think Victor is high mid tier rn
excited to see how you're gonna use the moves mentioned in the 5th chapter and how that'll work out. 1+2 is insane fr, won a lot of quick matches thanks to that. i don't use lee but he's one of my favorite characters cause you know, 🌹Marvelous🌹 lmao. also, thoughts on victor's b+1+4 and when to use it? or just dont use it at all? personally use it sometimes but it's too much of a high risk... thanks for the amazing gameplay content. keep it up man
@@corkgp I am excited as well because implementing new things can set up different ways to approach things now with Victor, I love Lee which is why I want to bring him more to the channel since he is just very cool to me 🌹. B1+2 I think you’re talking about is good I use it mostly for whiff punishing or just using B1 in neutral since it has very good range on it plus the counter hit properties are great as well since it gives you a good chunk of damage! I appreciate the support as always glad you’re enjoying the content and able to come back and learn something while engaging in the comment section
@@BransonLowman right iai stance is just becoming something I’m barely using because all his options have massive counter play to it if you know the MU it’s crazy how much risk you must take when you have other characters just playing the game with little to no risk
What characters do you think does what Victor does but "30x better?" I think Victor is pretty unique with no one really like him, but that may be because this is my first tekken game.
@@AtticusDungeon Alisa, drag, Nina, Feng, King, Claudio, Jin, kazuya, Yoshimitsu, Bryan. There are more but those are the ones that come to mind when thinking about it imo
I really appreciate your guides. You and mkwan/NEMESIS has been doing alot of Victor stuff. I feel that alot of Victor's stuff is very punishable and anyone that spent some time labbing, you'll find yourself getting punished for Lai. Alisa and Dragonuv are still very strong. Victor's Lai needs to be a little safer cause he relies too much on the gimmicks. My friend played Shaheen since the beginning and to this day Shaheen has a better mix up.
@@johnnynguyen3521 to be considered among Mkwan, and Nemesis is highly regarded because those players are godly. I really appreciate that it means a lot, I try to make my guides for everyone where all levels of play can be improved, doesn’t matter how good you’re because there is still room for improvement. Drag, and Alisa are super strong in this game it’s crazy. You’re right shaheen has very good mix and in general his gameplan is a lot easier to execute and he doesn’t have to take a lot of risks like Victor does
@Lotus_awakening ye man I appreciate you being a chill down to earth victor player. I main him and feel he gets a bad rep because of newcomers and Low Tier God. Keep it up man.
@@johnnynguyen3521yeah LTG he always has been super toxic in any game he has played. The good victor players will always be here to help more. I do agree he gets a bad rep due to him being very easy and scrubby in the beginning of the game, Victor should be the least of ppls concern when you have so many other characters doing insane things
Perfumer df cancel into while rising 2 or df2 on hit you can guarantee b1 into another mix or hit confirm counter … You can loop perfumer df cancel into a wave dash high low mix or even perfumer df cancel into his backwards teleport the u2 and close the distance again
Bro you can frame trap with iai stance and perfumer.. and if they step they have to eat a 50/50.. and you can always just go for the no mix up mix up 90% of the time to make them force an armor move and grab out of stance…
@@Ohanzea you can frame trap the problem still is you have more risk in iai stance then you do perfumer, everything in iai is high risk with low reward especially when someone knows the mu. You also have a lot of characters that have very good sidesteps and can negate a lot of the 50/50 options you have, when you sidestep you can block in time and beat the majority of options. As I’ve been progressing more I’ve noticed higher level players are not falling for the gimmicks which is why I was saying I feel perfumer is a better safer option then iai, not saying though you can’t use it but using it less is what has been working for me and then throwing a big mix up once and a while ya know
I agree victor isn’t the safest but if you’re good at reads and punishes you can do some flashy stuff which makes him really fun. Def not a poke character 😊
@@Ohanzea right Victor isn’t the safest which is the one thing that annoys me because you have so many characters that are doing way crazier things then Victor but at such a low risk. I love the flashy stuff with him it makes him unique kinda like how noctis was in Tekken 7
With Victor what i like to do is condition players to duck. Always threatning them with DB4, D4, and when they start to duck after so much "vidal Sassoon" its Df2 FTW. Told on a previous video you should do more 21 perfumer 1+2 nice to see you're taking that advice even though you're a much better player than me. And yes, Totaly agree with you on the High risk gameplay. On a different note, why does Drags Sneak 4 is +7 OB, hits grounded, Heat engager AND....CH launcher??what are they smoking?
@@claudimerro ofc I’ll take the advice cause it’s like I said, don’t matter what level you’re I can still learn from everyone and I appreciate that from you a lot!! Let’s get down to what matters and that’s DRAG!!!! Why does he have a +7 mid that hits grounded and is a heat engager and launches on counter hit, who at Bandai said this is fine? Cause this character needs to be adjusted
Appreciate you all, just wanted to talk about some Victor and give you an update on the channel going forward. In the section where we go over some moves I’ve been using more I think I didn’t say the full move it was B31 when in the video I only said B 1+2 😂. Next video again will be a ranked one so be ready for that!
Im like 95% sure its just b3,1
@@BransonLowman it might have been again I made this video late at night so I must of just been tired lmao
@@Lotus_awakening Its all good its a great video
Great content man, keep it up.
One underrated and niche move I would add is d+1 in a round ending situations. Unlike d4,d3 etc. it can't be low parried so you are not giving your opponent the chance to comeback with a low parry on 1px hp :]
@@tomasbird you’re right D1 is actually super nice as well!!!!
Been binging your videos bro and learning a TON about Victor, can't wait to implement all this tech.
@@CalebAdams I appreciate this man, hopefully all this helps and the gameplay can as well!!
Uf2 is a move without downsides and should be utilized more in neutral due to infinite range, tracking, safety on block
@@rise.noreason.3965 yeah I’ve used that a lot very good move
you're keeping me inspired to keep learning this hard ass game, just dropped out of mighty ruler but ive grown an attachment to victor, even bought a hitbox for this game after all the other fighting games ive played with a pad for so many years
@@corey4191 I love to hear it man, I’m glad I am able to keep you inspired for this game. It isn’t the easiest to learn we all started out not being great. Once you play more and understand the core game itself everything comes to you like it’s nothing. Keep at it!!! You will not regret the journey!!!
Your videos did help me get up to Bushin. Thank you. Keep up the good work sir!!
@@sanchandosu I’m glad I can help, that’s what I’ve used this platform for I want to get other players leveled up where they can experience great improvement in all levels of play.
Few words about B31 - it's the most consistent punisher for moves with pushback (usually you'll see those from Bryan, Kazuya, Paul and Claudio). Although 222 and FF2 are also good options for that for Iai or possible launcher respectively but there's always a risk to whiff them in some scenarios. And also one of Perfumer setups I like to use when I have a bit of heat meter left or to finish the round - perf -> sillage -> heat smash. Catches really well those who try to fuzzy block low or side step because a lot of players tend to forget/overlook Sillage
@@bruhbruh5725 okay I see what you’re spitting here, I forgot about that perfumer setup as well, you just opened up my mind on it again
@@Lotus_awakening discovered this today by pure chance but apparently expulsion can be executed from full crouch state. It's nearly impossible to get it from regular crouching state but sillage puts you in full crouch on animation end and you can consistently input U1+2. I guess it can be a decent mixup in heat if you feel like opponent will keep crouching to block heat smash or will try to hit you during sillage
@@bruhbruh5725yeah I didn’t know this, it actually could be good still for baiting an opponents low attack then you doing it right after since it has some Iframes on the startup animation
Great video! Yeah IAI stance is risky.. Now that I’m Tekken King, I play Gods and they always duck the high out of the stance, then launch for a million damage. I also wish IAI 1 was safe on block, I think Gino it’s -12. If Vic had better frames low pokes it would be awesome. Hatchet kick with Bryan in 19f and +3 on hit.. If you block it it’s only -13.. Wish Vic had something remotely Close to that.
@@sharma4826 see you know what’s happening lmao it gets super annoying being up in higher ranks when you have such a super high risk stance against better players
@@Lotus_awakening Going ti start my God push soon.. I’ll attempt to use perfumer more. I usually use it in oki for the 1+2, or in combos.. I wish the perfumer 1 low was not locked behind stance lol. It’s essentially our best low. Also 1+2 goated.. If you can keep Bryan and big move characters under 15 frames it makes the game much more tolerable at higher levels.
@@sharma4826gl on your run I know you can definitely get there it will just take patience as I am trying to as well
8:09 Only Kazuya can launch at -13 from crouch (Eddy's i13 ws launcher doesn't connect because the first hit is a high and Victor recovers in crouch). Jin's ws+2 is i14, Jun's ws+3 is i14, they couldn't ever launch PRF+1.
@@genzo454 they can launch victors others lows D4 is launch punishable by Jin, Jun, and Kaz, D3 launch punishable to kaz, D1 -17 launch punishable by everyone lmao. DB4 -26, iai 4 -13, iai D1+2 -29, the point is the majority of victors lows are launch punishable and you get no reward out of them besides DB4 counter hit launch. Victors low pokes are actually terrible when half the cast doesn’t have to take massive risks with lows and there lows do more damage then victors. It’s weird Jin D2 has the same priority as victors DB4 but his is only -14 while victors is -29. It’s bad character design where you make a character have to take a massive risk for such little reward when most do not have to ya know
@@Lotus_awakening I'm aware, I main Victor. I was not making any statement on Victor's other lows, only PRF+1. Personally, I would like to see d+3 be only -12 on block, or not be - on hit. Also, why did they make d+1 -6 on hit? It should be only like -3 on hit (it only deals like 8 damage!) I play Victor in a very scrubby way (mash either 1, 1+2, or d/b+4) so I guess it doesn't affect me too much, but still, would be nice. I think the devs are just (rightfully) afraid of making Victor top 5, as he is already top 10.
On the topic of Victor's relevance at the highest levels of play, seeing players like AO do well gives me hope to see the character played into the future.
But even he has to play the character really cautiously, with lots of counterhit baiting & reads-heavy gameplay (1+2 is GOATED).
Victor's mix game not being best-in-class hopefully doesn't sink his representation in big tournaments
@@FreakinTheComments right AO the one that gives me so much hope when seeing the character. Again Victor isn’t a bad character it just seems his representation is dropping more as the game develops which sucks cause he does bring a lot still to the table ya know
@@Lotus_awakening yeah AO rocks, our last hope to not see Dragunov vs Dragunov finals every time. Sad to see that Farzeen is lately being not very lucky and Meo-il completely went off the radar
@@bruhbruh5725Farzeen I loved watching as well but even he is looking at other characters since Victor has fallen off the meta so much, Mei-il idk what happen to him it’s crazy he just vanished
@@Lotus_awakening Farzeen abused and abused his now nerfed moves. Specially B1+2
Ive been palying a lot of small tekken with vic lately. Playing safe, utilizing punishment opportunities, & using a lot of raw perfumer to parry punches. I kinda like where Victor is at the moment I'd rate him a high mid-tier character
@@RobC2201_ right that’s where my gameplan is shifting more, small Tekken because he has a lot of it, but if I want to take a risk I could but have to be careful where my health is at. I do agree I think Victor is high mid tier rn
excited to see how you're gonna use the moves mentioned in the 5th chapter and how that'll work out. 1+2 is insane fr, won a lot of quick matches thanks to that. i don't use lee but he's one of my favorite characters cause you know, 🌹Marvelous🌹 lmao. also, thoughts on victor's b+1+4 and when to use it? or just dont use it at all? personally use it sometimes but it's too much of a high risk... thanks for the amazing gameplay content. keep it up man
@@corkgp I am excited as well because implementing new things can set up different ways to approach things now with Victor, I love Lee which is why I want to bring him more to the channel since he is just very cool to me 🌹. B1+2 I think you’re talking about is good I use it mostly for whiff punishing or just using B1 in neutral since it has very good range on it plus the counter hit properties are great as well since it gives you a good chunk of damage! I appreciate the support as always glad you’re enjoying the content and able to come back and learn something while engaging in the comment section
I played you yesterday. I thought I recognized you GGs
@@TekkenMenace ggs who were you playing??
@@Lotus_awakeningAlisa I’m pretty sure
@@TekkenMenace I haven’t played an Alisa since the 12th so if that was you then ggs
You kind of hit the nail on the head for IAI the options are just all risky. I end up canceling out of it more often then I would like.
@@BransonLowman right iai stance is just becoming something I’m barely using because all his options have massive counter play to it if you know the MU it’s crazy how much risk you must take when you have other characters just playing the game with little to no risk
What characters do you think does what Victor does but "30x better?" I think Victor is pretty unique with no one really like him, but that may be because this is my first tekken game.
@@AtticusDungeon Alisa, drag, Nina, Feng, King, Claudio, Jin, kazuya, Yoshimitsu, Bryan. There are more but those are the ones that come to mind when thinking about it imo
I really appreciate your guides. You and mkwan/NEMESIS has been doing alot of Victor stuff. I feel that alot of Victor's stuff is very punishable and anyone that spent some time labbing, you'll find yourself getting punished for Lai. Alisa and Dragonuv are still very strong.
Victor's Lai needs to be a little safer cause he relies too much on the gimmicks. My friend played Shaheen since the beginning and to this day Shaheen has a better mix up.
@@johnnynguyen3521 to be considered among Mkwan, and Nemesis is highly regarded because those players are godly. I really appreciate that it means a lot, I try to make my guides for everyone where all levels of play can be improved, doesn’t matter how good you’re because there is still room for improvement. Drag, and Alisa are super strong in this game it’s crazy. You’re right shaheen has very good mix and in general his gameplan is a lot easier to execute and he doesn’t have to take a lot of risks like Victor does
@Lotus_awakening ye man I appreciate you being a chill down to earth victor player. I main him and feel he gets a bad rep because of newcomers and Low Tier God. Keep it up man.
@@johnnynguyen3521yeah LTG he always has been super toxic in any game he has played. The good victor players will always be here to help more. I do agree he gets a bad rep due to him being very easy and scrubby in the beginning of the game, Victor should be the least of ppls concern when you have so many other characters doing insane things
You should also use b1 into perfumer mix or confirm hit. You can even do b1 wait for them to try and punish then u2
@@Ohanzea I’ve been using it just not as much which I am going to implement more into my game
Leo the best
Perfumer df cancel into while rising 2 or df2 on hit you can guarantee b1 into another mix or hit confirm counter …
You can loop perfumer df cancel into a wave dash high low mix or even perfumer df cancel into his backwards teleport the u2 and close the distance again
@@Ohanzea good to know I appreciate the tip on that!!
Bro you can frame trap with iai stance and perfumer.. and if they step they have to eat a 50/50.. and you can always just go for the no mix up mix up 90% of the time to make them force an armor move and grab out of stance…
@@Ohanzea you can frame trap the problem still is you have more risk in iai stance then you do perfumer, everything in iai is high risk with low reward especially when someone knows the mu. You also have a lot of characters that have very good sidesteps and can negate a lot of the 50/50 options you have, when you sidestep you can block in time and beat the majority of options. As I’ve been progressing more I’ve noticed higher level players are not falling for the gimmicks which is why I was saying I feel perfumer is a better safer option then iai, not saying though you can’t use it but using it less is what has been working for me and then throwing a big mix up once and a while ya know
I agree victor isn’t the safest but if you’re good at reads and punishes you can do some flashy stuff which makes him really fun. Def not a poke character 😊
@@Ohanzea right Victor isn’t the safest which is the one thing that annoys me because you have so many characters that are doing way crazier things then Victor but at such a low risk. I love the flashy stuff with him it makes him unique kinda like how noctis was in Tekken 7
My victor stuck in flame ruler
With Victor what i like to do is condition players to duck. Always threatning them with DB4, D4, and when they start to duck after so much "vidal Sassoon" its Df2 FTW. Told on a previous video you should do more 21 perfumer 1+2 nice to see you're taking that advice even though you're a much better player than me. And yes, Totaly agree with you on the High risk gameplay. On a different note, why does Drags Sneak 4 is +7 OB, hits grounded, Heat engager AND....CH launcher??what are they smoking?
@@claudimerro ofc I’ll take the advice cause it’s like I said, don’t matter what level you’re I can still learn from everyone and I appreciate that from you a lot!! Let’s get down to what matters and that’s DRAG!!!! Why does he have a +7 mid that hits grounded and is a heat engager and launches on counter hit, who at Bandai said this is fine? Cause this character needs to be adjusted
Ain't no different than my main Lars.