In my 30’s, I was vegan for 7 years. This resulted in periodontal problems which were an ongoing issue for 30 years. bottom line, I learned this body needs animal protein. Now, I’m 81 and very dedicated getting high quality protein at every meal.
I was vegan from age 50 to 75. Then discovered I had Osteoporosis and started eating pork, chicken, beef and eggs, and focused also on liver. I still love my garden stuff and wild foraged greens and I also eat a lot of mushrooms, and take mushroom supplements also. Actually I was mad that the teaching of not using animal proteins was better ,turned out false!
Humans are like rats, we can eat anything and everything. It can take a while before we know it's not optimal. It took me a while to figure out I should eat far fewer carbs and a lot more meat.
@@wayland7150only rodents are capable of eating stored grain and seed naturally and do - but even they eat fresh given the choice AND from my 1st hand experience they eat meat preferentially when offered simultaneously....
@@1truthseeking8 Rats like a freshly installed cable. Rats don't seem to eat Bite Sized Shreeded Wheat. However humans do, so humans are more like rats than rats are. I don't eat wheat because it makes me ill for a couple of days. I used to be OK with it.
Raw Vegan 20yrs. Loved it, but now at 67yrs old I find that I'm getting frail. Now I take a whey supplement. I now eat eggs, yogurt and fish. I try to be as ethical as possible but I must live to. Thank you for your great podcast 👍
Have you warned your raw vegan friends? It seems like they are not very aware of what’s going on outside their raw vegan box huh? I won’t judge you if you keep it secret, they can come after you with irrational attacks.
@@OhohohTST new supplements have al nutritional values you need!..actually pea protein and vegan essential amino acid from fermented veggies are superior
The information is valuable, and I am sure it took decades to accumulate and understand. The Eaa (amino acid product) on the website is $75 for 30 servings, which, based on label, would not last a month. Its more likely $125-$150 a month, for this product alone. Seems high quality, but financially out of reach for the vast majority of people. Another similar influencer shared their supplement routine, and it came out to over $300 per month. Health is the number 1 concern for all, except if you need the money for housing, food and retirement. Again, ty for the deep dive of info.
Richard,.Dr.Gabrielle Lyon. thanks for airing on line!.i do appreciate your passion for my health and wellbeing info.thanks for keeping it Real you are one of the best on this topic on protein and muscle strength training.thank you so much for careing.
literally was on a ketogenic diet for about 6 years felt great had a little bit of a health situation wanted to see if it was from ketosis(eventually found out keto wasn’t the problem) …so I switched to a non-ketogenic diet and kept everything else the same. make a long story short, been on a carbohydrate rich diet for about 12 months now and im amazed how much weaker i am in the gym. Would of expected WAY more strength and pump in the gym from being in glycolysis and in fed state when doing anaerobic exercises.
Awesome video!!! I feel so much better eating meat, eggs, and fat. I've never felt better. When eating sugar and carbs, I get tired, lethargic, and hungry...smh.
Looking good Dr. GL. Thanks for providing us with more life changing educational content. It has made a tremendous positive difference for me personally.
I have found that (regarding your minute 1:00:05) if I go “beyond” food to get my protein, it makes a big difference…I purchased Double Wood brand essential amino acids from Amazon and Optimum Nutrition brand Amino Energy powder from Walmart. In addition I eat as much animal protein, yogurt, fish etc as I can handle. When I added in the powder and capsules the pain between my shoulder blades completely stopped. The discomfort in my pec muscle attachments disappeared upon lifting weights. My mood is great. I am in my 60s and I can line dance (intermediate) for 2-3 hours with very few breaks. My 92 year old mom still drives, still lives at home, does all her IADLS and ADLs. I have been encouraging her to eat more protein for over a year. She cut back when we went on long vacation and was crippled with pain, stiff etc.when I returned. I got her again to increase her protein. It helps. She’s improving. She now has PT. They don’t often do that for her age. I worked in nursing homes as an RN. I have seen what you have seen. Although Mom won’t do more supplements she will likely take to this O.N. Amino energy powder next time I visit. I like the watermelon flavor. All in all, my mom and I are NOT by a long stretch doing everything perfectly. I have a hard time hitting my protein goal every day . I know Mom is not hitting it. (Her doctor told her to eat more protein, and although the grams were low, Mom got the general message) I do have obvious improvements in my body even as I’m not always I hitting my goal , mostly felt in lifting and even though I was already very high functioning. I walk the dog, dance, housework, errands all day. I squeeze n Dr. Ted Naiman resistance training. That’s where I notice I can lift without aches and pains. I do not need any pain med at all. Keep on doing what you are doing. Those of us who are older ARE already reaping benefiting years before Standard of Care catches up, thanks to you and the researchers you interview. I do have a grasp of where the research is, and I look forward to the nuanced updates pending. The general message is working, especially the big bolus of protein at breakfast. My smart scale says I’ve gained two pounds of lean tissue. I guess the aminos are building up organs before muscle fiber.
I'm a little late to the party. But in my opinion one of the most insightful discussions on amino acids and there probable benefits on aging, as well as possible outcomes if the proper ratios can be achieved/combined !!! Very thankful to you for this information Dr Lyon 🙏
Dr. Wolfe Has an amazing amount of useful information contrasted with a poker face.😊 At first I thought this was going to be boring, but his talk really helped to clarify my questions about what type of protein to use.
I am so happy scientists and doctors who knows nutrition says the truth about plant based diets. I don't care if people insist on eating grass but the attack on meat proteins in these times of climate scam is worrying. It is one thing for people to not eat meat because they believe it caused their parents' cancer but it is another to prevent others to eat good meat.
I WAS ACTUALLY, WAITING FOR YOU TO HAVE DR. ROBERT WOLFE ON YOUR SHOW!! I’VE BEEN USING THE PERFECT AMINOS FOR A WHILE NOW, LOVE THE TASTE AND SUPER CLEAN INGREDIENTS!! IM A HUGE FAN DR. LYON👏🏻
yes, glucose oxidation always has priority. it makes sense. and that is a basic foundation of weight loss to know this. theoretically that would make weight loss (as in fat loss) very easy to apply - theoretically. just cutting out carbs and you are done - theoretically. practically there is also the health of the L-cells involved. they have to produce enough GLP-1 to keep glucagon down that then keeps gluconeogenesis down. there is a SUPER IMPORTANT study from 2015 about proliferation of L-cells by a high fat diet!!!!!! this underlines that switch from carb intake to fat intake which results in the growth of more L-cells over the next few days which ramps up GLP-1 production. and it also gives you an additional understanding of the adaptation process when switching to a low carb, high protein high fat diet. recently, i added about 12g EEAs in the morning and in the evening to my diet. struggling with being overweight with 116kg, the EAAs at least make me feel lighter in the morning when i go to work (walking seems to be easier, which usually comes when insulin resistance is lower) and muscles around the chest are feeling stronger. i think the 2*12g EAAs make a significant difference
Free form Amino acids are 10X superior to protein ! They are metabolized directly without requiring stomach acids & proteases to cleave the peptide bonds. They provide an excellent strategy fot those who suffer from hypochlorhydria (low stomach acids) and/or low enzyme output esp proteases (example incase of pancreatitis). This process also does not strain the liver & kidneys. I have made remarkable progress in health as a vegan by having both essential amino acids (all 9 of them) plus specific amino acids such as Glycine, Taurine, Tyrosine, Tryptophan, Theanine. I pair them with the key metabolic cofactor - active B6 also called P5P. Futher 5 gms of amino acids is Not equal to 5gms of protein. You'd need nearly 50gms of proteins to get to 5gms of high quality free form amino acids. Eating Beef is not the solution for everything. Further, not sure how you'd get enough of folate, potassium, magnesium, vit C, Bioflavonoids, phytonutrients, & prebiotic fiber.....from beef alone .....unless you are consuming beef liver & kidneys on frequent basis which not all carnivores do.
thank you for this! this is what i am hoping amino acid capsules can do for me. at the moment they are giving me gastro upset but i am hoping it will pass. i want them to feel better overall but predominantly for muscle growth
What Dr. Wolfe described is EXACTLY my concern, as likely many others. I'm 55, extremely active, would love to gain muscle mass, but want to limit calories. Getting enough macros (with emphasis on protein) is challenging--as he stated. Ahg!
I’m 45, and after watching dr Lyon’s video with MindMuscle - I added a protein isolate twice a day It’s about 100cal but 28g protein, 2g carb and 0.5g fat and incl EAA and BCAAs in high enough dose to trigger muscle build. It’s been a game changer for me.
@@0ucantstopme034 if you look up most of the whey isolates … you will see they are all pretty similar .. in my country there is a brand Evolve and NPL. Check the back of the whey containers. You want a 25-32g serving scoop size total - and is 400kJ or 100cal Some cheap wheys say “25g protein” but you then see it’s a 60gm scoop serving… meaning it’s low quality. They should show the nutritional info per 100gm - and the protein should be 72-85g (meaning it’s 72-80% pure whey isolate). A whey isolate, because it’s purer will have much less sugars, carbs and fat. This means it will have less bloating or if your lactose intolerant - will be easier on digestion. You should also check the ingredient list: and it should list Whey Protein Isolate as the first ingredient … and ideally, not have a mix of various different wheys. The shakes will also have BCAA and EAA (amino acids) included.
Hello and thank you for a great video. I exercise regularly and take the Perform amino acid prior to and during my weightlifting workout. And I also take whey supplement twice a day. My question is that the Perform serving listed on the container is 6.3 grams per serving and the whey protein serving size is 38 grams per serving. How does the number of amino acids compare between the 6.3 grams and the 38 grams? I'm assuming the difference is the isolated amino content of the Perform amino acids vs all the different ingredients that make up the whey power. But is 6.3 grams a sufficient number of amino acids to consume to get the required benefits from my workouts? Thank you for you all your help and work!
@DrGabrielleLyon what are your thoughts on the Other Ingredients in flavored amino powders? These things are inflammatory, does the benefit out way the risk? Thank you for all the great info and work you provide!
@ 41.18 very important info. That was me in 1973 at 19 years old on a vegan diet, hypocrites' raw diet as well. for 10 years and felt fine. then got weaker, lost a lot of muscle mass, and had a lot of dental problems, like Plack build up, enamel erosion, cavities and crumbling teeth. and arthritis. Keto carnivore now for 7 years.
we always cover BCAA which is incomplete and comes up short but never EAA's which are complete in all the right ratios. unless I missed it was it mentioned?
@@sportbilly6329 my comment was incomplete - leucine appears to help with the absorption of protein. The other amino acids are present in protein powder. SEE "the role of protein in building muscle by dr stuart phillips phd". Still available on youtube.
Thank you so much for sharing this conversation! I am particularly interested in this subject because of my mom. She lost a lot of weight due to loss of apetite and eating very small portions. Surely, she's not meeting her protein threshold for muscle maintenance and she's becoming frail. So I'm researching this to get her supplementation with either a protein drink or BCAA or other options. 🙏🥰
High carbs lower cortisol, which helps keep the muscles. It also increases FGF-21, which has anti-obesity effect and helps maintain muscle mass. That can be helpfull in old people, since they tend to have more body fat. Also high protein will tend to lower testosterone. It's very complicated, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that more protein is necessarily the best way to counter sarcopenia. Whey is often recommended against sarcopenia, but I've seen a study saying that it doesn't really work. Whey is an interesting food with lots of interesting compounds though, I take it myself.
High carb diet made me a mess for 60 years (vegetarian). At 68 I have spent years trying to fix myself. Still struggling. Staying low carb and feeling much better, thanks!
So, basically whey isolate is still the best way of getting all the eaa and eating right along with proper exercise are still the best modality for health, - and beyond that therapeutic formulations of specific amino can be ingested or injected, which only super rich will be able to truly afford - is that about the right summary?
So, if I understand Dr. Wolfe correctly, if I am intermittent fasting but need to exercise in the early morning, I can take a complete amino acid supplement before or after my workout and later, when I have my first meal, include collagen peptides that excludes the tryptophan but has the methionine, in my homemade nutrition shake. I also eat grass fed/pasture raised proteins along with vegetables/salad. That will help with muscle synthesis, balance out the dopamine - serotonin ratio that will not interrupt energy and sleep.
For titanup3556: Might have been wheat protein. Also, I have gleaned, from other episodes on Dr. Lyon’s RUclips channel, that it seems best to supplement BCAA’s with any vegan protein meal. If I remember correctly, Dr. Lyon suggested leucine, and I decided to add BCAAs to fulfill this recommendation. … Shout out to Dr. Lyon for helping me age more gracefully!
Here are a few studies that have explored topic of high protein diet and how it affects testosterone levels. 1. Effects of Dietary Composition on Testosterone: A study published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism in 1986 examined the effects of different dietary compositions on testosterone levels in men. It found that a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet reduced testosterone levels compared to a high-carbohydrate diet. 2. Protein Intake and Sex Hormones in Older Men: A study published in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society in 2010 investigated the relationship between protein intake and sex hormones in older men. The study found that high protein intake was associated with lower levels of sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), which can indirectly affect testosterone levels. 3. Protein Intake and Testosterone in Resistance-Trained Men: A study published in the International Journal of Sports Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism in 2006 examined the impact of high-protein diets on testosterone levels in resistance-trained men. The study found that high protein intake was associated with reduced testosterone levels.
For your number 2. It is interesting that some people will go on the carnivore diet simply to get prescribed TRT. I know 3 different people who have done this to make their test appear low on paper and it's because SBGh goes up and free test goes down. It may also be due to lack of carbs altogether.
Bottom line. No one diet is cookie cutter and one must consume what their individual physiology can thrive with. No junk food. I also add in intermittent fasting every now and then. I listen to my body. I just eat some of all real food available to me at different times. That works for me. I grew up on a farm. Need I say more.
if you have an allergy/intolerance to whey, is rice/pea protein isolates a good solution to supplement an omnivorous diet?
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So nice conversation, but what people of this mankind evolution never makes clear, is about a very direct question. Is it better to take complete aminoácids (EEAS) or protein supplement, may be whey protein?
I have a trainer who told me that bcaa supplementation would be helpful with exertion headaches I get from any sort of high intensity training or running. Is this true?
I wonder if you have heard of Aminoindex which shows the proportion of blood amino acids as a reflection of organ metabolism as a measure to predict risk of diseases. it has been developed to screen patients with specific cancers and metabolic diseases.
Grew up with zero animal products, no highly processed food (anything not directly off a plant is “processed” but I mean foods enriched or changed etc. everyone around me lived the same and they remained incredibly active and healthy. We were all SDA, which Lima Linda is also and constitutes the only blue zone in the US Adventists have been proven to have longer lives That said, I am in a period of not digesting plants as well as meats so until my body returns to proper digestion I’m eating more meats My workouts haven’t changed though definitely I don’t feel the enjoyment carbs bring.
@@margomoore4527 lol and I knew lots of fat girls back in the 60s and 70s when everyone was fairly thin and they weren't vegetarian or SDA. How stupid does a person have to be to make your comment? Who knows, you have managed to find new depths. Cheers. You are proof brain not necessary to type on a computer
I wonder what you all both think of the latest research following ingestion of 100g protein and it all goes to building muscle over 10 hours and apparently there is no known upper limit.
Still a little confused. I am wondering are the protein recommendations per pound of weight to be applied to your current weight? Or your goal weight? I have about 50lbs to lose to reach goal weight.
Great info ! Especially about the protein synthesis! Thanks I love all kinds of protein but because of cholesterol issues that run in my family history .. and know that I do exercise everyday … I used to just do plant protein like kidney beans that have lots of protein like a steak …but now that I’m older I do have a steak once in awhile ,salmon once per week ,-I drink bone broth everyday etc. …. And a plant base amino formula that goes straight to your muscles in 23 min , also formulated by a Dr who had comatose patients that had muscle loss , this formula does wonders for me …, I’m age 57 and look and feel better than my 40’s! Anyone has questions feel free to DM me so I can send you my pics of muscle improvement….
Sorry, but listening to Dr. Wolf is like reading dry text. He drones. I'm constantly having to go back & relisten when I realize that very little of his dialog seems to be registering in my brain. The content in this interview is SO important -REALLY good content, I think😊 but the delivery could use some improvement, IMO!
I'm currently under treatment for Hep C. Because of this virus I have sarcopenia. I was told to stay of red meat but I do take some BCAA's as well as Taurine to help with horrible leg cramps. Would Keto or carnivore actually help me get some of my muscle back?
You must have a half and half diet. Plant diet for two weeks and animal protein for one week. You need to alternate and fill in the gaps of protein vitamins and waste those cancer cells
@@jaghad Sure but it's pretty hard to get enough protein without a powder of some type, especially when you're eating tons of plants for cancer or other health purposes.
Dr Lyon, I do enjoy the nerdy aspect of these podcasts! I always loved biochemistry.Having said that, sadly all the biochemistry in the world is not going to make a dent if the message is not loud and clear : we ( as western society) need to eat much less and move more. It sounds like even Dr Wolfe agree that at the end of the day it does not really matter what you eat as long as we keep calories in check- obviously provided the delivery of an adequate amount of protein. I do not know what is the solution on a global scale given people are bombarded with temptations of ultra-processed, junk foods 24/7. Let's not forget also the world is at a point where the current food system is unsustainable.
People eat more (calories) because the processed foods are so sadly lacking in full proper nutrition. They crave what is not available in these foods even though stuffed to the gill with calories. Whole, nutrition-dense foods are the answer. But the food industries have so much influence, even over the advocates who should be protective (medical industry, FDA, etc). Bad foods are promoted far and wide, and healthy foods, condemned.😢 ** "Eat your Wheaties." AND get your daily dose of glyphosate, too. Don't want to miss out on diabetes2!**
Cattle, goat, and sheep all can produce food in climates and off land which is impossible to farm for vegetable or grain crops. The plant based fad is actually not the best for the environment.
Funny to see two people trying to say that you cant get everything with whole plant based food... Of course they both sell their products... Rich roll, ultr endurance winner might have something to say
@@jellybeanvinkler4878 agree to disagree specially if you eat at home... Also all meta analysis agree on 50% morr risk to die from heart attack... Dont even speak aboit tbe antibiotics they give to animals... 90% américain are deficiant in fibers.....
it's great temporarily for weight loss. but Peter Attia gave up fasting due to muscle loss. sounds like this doc recommends not letting the body go too long without protein. i'm gonna try 30g for BF, lunch and dinner. from 8 am to 7 pm.
.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight??? A kilogram is 2.205 lbs. I've not heard this one, always heard the reference; .8 grams of protein per pound of lean body mass.. anyone?
0.8 g/kg body weight is the RDA recommendation to prevent malnutrition. However if you’re optimizing for muscle, then 1.6g/kg body weight seems more ideal. This can move up to 2.2g/kg (equivalent to 1g/lb of body weight) when body fat is lower, in order to preserve muscle during caloric restriction.
I wisj you would speak in lbs instead of kilograms, i was born and raised in American we know things better in lbs, now to understand you i have to go and learn how many kilograms makes a lb so ill know how much protein to take according to my body weight in lbs
The whole point is to damage muscles so they can heal back bigger and stronger.. Depends on what you are trying to achieve. Muscle mass? Cardio health? Endurance? Strength?. Training and diet affect all these.
You should know that FASTING has more benefits than most people can even imagine. Some of the things people eat, and take cause more damage through oxidation and impurities than any perceived benefits are worth.
Just some facts. There are about 7 areas on Earth, the so-called Blue zones, where many people become very healthy over the age of 100. What is striking is that they all eat very little or no meat. In addition, there are absolute top athletes such as Hamilton and Djokovic who make their performances on a plant-based diet.
You mentioned that it is very hard to lose weight by eating enough protein. Well let's say you eat a carnivore meal from pork that meets your protein walue you you are 100 kg and you eat 600grams of meat made on grill you will have some fats baut you will hit your 200grams of protein. You can eat it in two meals and having oly some dressing or limited amount let's say 100g of vegetables.. how id that hitting over your calore for maintenance.I m coming from the idea that someone got fat because he eat to many carbs less protein before. Now you revers you eat less carbs. Glucogenesis will solve the carbs requirements from your body fat
In my 30’s, I was vegan for 7 years. This resulted in periodontal problems which were an ongoing issue for 30 years. bottom line, I learned this body needs animal protein. Now, I’m 81 and very dedicated getting high quality protein at every meal.
no! new supplements have al nutritional values you need!..actually pea protein and vegan essential amino acid from fermented veggies are superior
What you two are doing for the working class men and women is much appreciated.
Unbelievably good! Rob’s statement on what is actually required for true muscle glycogen depletion was extremely eye opening.
I'm happy you enjoyed the episode!
I was vegan from age 50 to 75. Then discovered I had Osteoporosis and started eating pork, chicken, beef and eggs, and focused also on liver. I still love my garden stuff and wild foraged greens and I also eat a lot of mushrooms, and take mushroom supplements also. Actually I was mad that the teaching of not using animal proteins was better ,turned out false!
Humans are like rats, we can eat anything and everything. It can take a while before we know it's not optimal. It took me a while to figure out I should eat far fewer carbs and a lot more meat.
Wild greens are filled with anti-nutrients, oxalates, goitrogens and many other toxic compounds. Why would anyone eat them? They taste disgusting.
@@wayland7150took me 7-8 month to figure out that vegan diet messed my health.
@@wayland7150only rodents are capable of eating stored grain and seed naturally and do - but even they eat fresh given the choice AND from my 1st hand experience they eat meat preferentially when offered simultaneously....
@@1truthseeking8 Rats like a freshly installed cable. Rats don't seem to eat Bite Sized Shreeded Wheat. However humans do, so humans are more like rats than rats are. I don't eat wheat because it makes me ill for a couple of days. I used to be OK with it.
Dr's Layman, Wolfe and Naiman are my 3 favorite episodes.
Raw Vegan 20yrs. Loved it, but now at 67yrs old I find that I'm getting frail. Now I take a whey supplement. I now eat eggs, yogurt and fish. I try to be as ethical as possible but I must live to. Thank you for your great podcast 👍
Have you warned your raw vegan friends? It seems like they are not very aware of what’s going on outside their raw vegan box huh? I won’t judge you if you keep it secret, they can come after you with irrational attacks.
Throw in some high quality grass fed beef hamburger to stave off frailty and sarcopenia.
@@OhohohTST new supplements have al nutritional values you need!..actually pea protein and vegan essential amino acid from fermented veggies are superior
The information is valuable, and I am sure it took decades to accumulate and understand.
The Eaa (amino acid product) on the website is $75 for 30 servings, which, based on label, would not last a month. Its more likely $125-$150 a month, for this product alone. Seems high quality, but financially out of reach for the vast majority of people.
Another similar influencer shared their supplement routine, and it came out to over $300 per month. Health is the number 1 concern for all, except if you need the money for housing, food and retirement. Again, ty for the deep dive of info.
I am using other amino acid and will not bother with expensive ones
Richard,.Dr.Gabrielle Lyon. thanks for airing on line!.i do appreciate your passion for my health and wellbeing info.thanks for keeping it Real you are one of the best on this topic on protein and muscle strength training.thank you so much for careing.
Thank you.:)
literally was on a ketogenic diet for about 6 years felt great had a little bit of a health situation wanted to see if it was from ketosis(eventually found out keto wasn’t the problem) …so I switched to a non-ketogenic diet and kept everything else the same. make a long story short, been on a carbohydrate rich diet for about 12 months now and im amazed how much weaker i am in the gym. Would of expected WAY more strength and pump in the gym from being in glycolysis and in fed state when doing anaerobic exercises.
Awesome video!!! I feel so much better eating meat, eggs, and fat. I've never felt better. When eating sugar and carbs, I get tired, lethargic, and hungry...smh.
Looking good Dr. GL. Thanks for providing us with more life changing educational content. It has made a tremendous positive difference for me personally.
I have found that (regarding your minute 1:00:05) if I go “beyond” food to get my protein, it makes a big difference…I purchased Double Wood brand essential amino acids from Amazon and Optimum Nutrition brand Amino Energy powder from Walmart. In addition I eat as much animal protein, yogurt, fish etc as I can handle. When I added in the powder and capsules the pain between my shoulder blades completely stopped. The discomfort in my pec muscle attachments disappeared upon lifting weights. My mood is great. I am in my 60s and I can line dance (intermediate) for 2-3 hours with very few breaks. My 92 year old mom still drives, still lives at home, does all her IADLS and ADLs. I have been encouraging her to eat more protein for over a year. She cut back when we went on long vacation and was crippled with pain, stiff etc.when I returned. I got her again to increase her protein. It helps. She’s improving. She now has PT. They don’t often do that for her age.
I worked in nursing homes as an RN. I have seen what you have seen. Although Mom won’t do more supplements she will likely take to this O.N. Amino energy powder next time I visit. I like the watermelon flavor.
All in all, my mom and I are NOT by a long stretch doing everything perfectly. I have a hard time hitting my protein goal every day . I know Mom is not hitting it. (Her doctor told her to eat more protein, and although the grams were low, Mom got the general message)
I do have obvious improvements in my body even as I’m not always I hitting my goal , mostly felt in lifting and even though I was already very high functioning. I walk the dog, dance, housework, errands all day. I squeeze n Dr. Ted Naiman resistance training. That’s where I notice I can lift without aches and pains. I do not need any pain med at all. Keep on doing what you are doing. Those of us who are older ARE already reaping benefiting years before Standard of Care catches up, thanks to you and the researchers you interview. I do have a grasp of where the research is, and I look forward to the nuanced updates pending. The general message is working, especially the big bolus of protein at breakfast. My smart scale says I’ve gained two pounds of lean tissue. I guess the aminos are building up organs before muscle fiber.
I'm a little late to the party. But in my opinion one of the most insightful discussions on amino acids and there probable benefits on aging, as well as possible outcomes if the proper ratios can be achieved/combined !!! Very thankful to you for this information Dr Lyon 🙏
I have been waiting years for this video
Really?! So happy you enjoyed it!!
I’d love to see an interview with Robb Wolfe, too!
Dr. Wolfe Has an amazing amount of useful information contrasted with a poker face.😊 At first I thought this was going to be boring, but his talk really helped to clarify my questions about what type of protein to use.
I am so happy scientists and doctors who knows nutrition says the truth about plant based diets. I don't care if people insist on eating grass but the attack on meat proteins in these times of climate scam is worrying. It is one thing for people to not eat meat because they believe it caused their parents' cancer but it is another to prevent others to eat good meat.
I WAS ACTUALLY, WAITING FOR YOU TO HAVE DR. ROBERT WOLFE ON YOUR SHOW!! I’VE BEEN USING THE PERFECT AMINOS FOR A WHILE NOW, LOVE THE TASTE AND SUPER CLEAN INGREDIENTS!!
IM A HUGE FAN DR. LYON👏🏻
OMG! So happy you liked it!!
yes, glucose oxidation always has priority. it makes sense. and that is a basic foundation of weight loss to know this. theoretically that would make weight loss (as in fat loss) very easy to apply - theoretically. just cutting out carbs and you are done - theoretically.
practically there is also the health of the L-cells involved. they have to produce enough GLP-1 to keep glucagon down that then keeps gluconeogenesis down.
there is a SUPER IMPORTANT study from 2015 about proliferation of L-cells by a high fat diet!!!!!!
this underlines that switch from carb intake to fat intake which results in the growth of more L-cells over the next few days which ramps up GLP-1 production. and it also gives you an additional understanding of the adaptation process when switching to a low carb, high protein high fat diet.
recently, i added about 12g EEAs in the morning and in the evening to my diet. struggling with being overweight with 116kg, the EAAs at least make me feel lighter in the morning when i go to work (walking seems to be easier, which usually comes when insulin resistance is lower) and muscles around the chest are feeling stronger. i think the 2*12g EAAs make a significant difference
Free form Amino acids are 10X superior to protein !
They are metabolized directly without requiring stomach acids & proteases to cleave the peptide bonds. They provide an excellent strategy fot those who suffer from hypochlorhydria (low stomach acids) and/or low enzyme output esp proteases (example incase of pancreatitis).
This process also does not strain the liver & kidneys.
I have made remarkable progress in health as a vegan by having both essential amino acids (all 9 of them) plus specific amino acids such as Glycine, Taurine, Tyrosine, Tryptophan, Theanine.
I pair them with the key metabolic cofactor - active B6 also called P5P.
Futher 5 gms of amino acids is Not equal to 5gms of protein. You'd need nearly 50gms of proteins to get to 5gms of high quality free form amino acids.
Eating Beef is not the solution for everything. Further, not sure how you'd get enough of folate, potassium, magnesium, vit C, Bioflavonoids, phytonutrients, & prebiotic fiber.....from beef alone .....unless you are consuming beef liver & kidneys on frequent basis which not all carnivores do.
thank you for this! this is what i am hoping amino acid capsules can do for me. at the moment they are giving me gastro upset but i am hoping it will pass. i want them to feel better overall but predominantly for muscle growth
What Dr. Wolfe described is EXACTLY my concern, as likely many others. I'm 55, extremely active, would love to gain muscle mass, but want to limit calories. Getting enough macros (with emphasis on protein) is challenging--as he stated. Ahg!
On carnivore, you don’t have to count anything, except g protein. As long as you eat the fat that comes with the meat.
I’m 45, and after watching dr Lyon’s video with MindMuscle - I added a protein isolate twice a day
It’s about 100cal but 28g protein, 2g carb and 0.5g fat and incl EAA and BCAAs in high enough dose to trigger muscle build.
It’s been a game changer for me.
@@JDAfrica If you don't mind my asking, what is it? I'd like to look it up. Thanks.
@@0ucantstopme034 if you look up most of the whey isolates … you will see they are all pretty similar .. in my country there is a brand Evolve and NPL.
Check the back of the whey containers. You want a 25-32g serving scoop size total - and is 400kJ or 100cal
Some cheap wheys say “25g protein” but you then see it’s a 60gm scoop serving… meaning it’s low quality.
They should show the nutritional info per 100gm - and the protein should be 72-85g (meaning it’s 72-80% pure whey isolate).
A whey isolate, because it’s purer will have much less sugars, carbs and fat.
This means it will have less bloating or if your lactose intolerant - will be easier on digestion.
You should also check the ingredient list: and it should list Whey Protein Isolate as the first ingredient … and ideally, not have a mix of various different wheys.
The shakes will also have BCAA and EAA (amino acids) included.
@@JDAfrica have you seen muscle growth??
Richard,.Dr.Gabielle Lyon.i waited for your interview with Dr.Robert wolfe phD.thank you again you are the best out there.take care.
Thank you.
Thank you for tuning in!
Hello and thank you for a great video. I exercise regularly and take the Perform amino acid prior to and during my weightlifting workout. And I also take whey supplement twice a day. My question is that the Perform serving listed on the container is 6.3 grams per serving and the whey protein serving size is 38 grams per serving. How does the number of amino acids compare between the 6.3 grams and the 38 grams? I'm assuming the difference is the isolated amino content of the Perform amino acids vs all the different ingredients that make up the whey power. But is 6.3 grams a sufficient number of amino acids to consume to get the required benefits from my workouts? Thank you for you all your help and work!
@DrGabrielleLyon what are your thoughts on the Other Ingredients in flavored amino powders? These things are inflammatory, does the benefit out way the risk? Thank you for all the great info and work you provide!
Really enjoyed this podcast ❤
So happy you enjoyed it!!
Great podcast episode!
Thank you so much! Happy it was helpful!
Do you think the region you are born in has an effect on what you should eat?
@ 41.18 very important info. That was me in 1973 at 19 years old on a vegan diet, hypocrites' raw diet as well. for 10 years and felt fine. then got weaker, lost a lot of muscle mass, and had a lot of dental problems, like Plack build up, enamel erosion, cavities and crumbling teeth. and arthritis. Keto carnivore now for 7 years.
he's precious- like the Rainman ofprotein
Highly informative, wonderfully educational content, thank you!
Thank you!
Consume whole eggs (organic. Pasture raised).
I could listen to people talking about protein all day 😂 love this
we always cover BCAA which is incomplete and comes up short but never EAA's which are complete in all the right ratios. unless I missed it was it mentioned?
I relistened its mentioned but in the context of just needing them and being there not so much covered as a supplement itself eaa's vs bcaa's
Leucine is VERY IMPORTANT. The rest not so much.
@@nl3712 Leucine can't be taken in isolation though it needs the other aminos
@@sportbilly6329 my comment was incomplete - leucine appears to help with the absorption of protein. The other amino acids are present in protein powder.
SEE "the role of protein in building muscle by dr stuart phillips phd". Still available on youtube.
What is the difference between collagen and amino acid formulas and high quality protein such as cold water fish?
Thank you so much for sharing this conversation! I am particularly interested in this subject because of my mom. She lost a lot of weight due to loss of apetite and eating very small portions. Surely, she's not meeting her protein threshold for muscle maintenance and she's becoming frail. So I'm researching this to get her supplementation with either a protein drink or BCAA or other options. 🙏🥰
High carbs lower cortisol, which helps keep the muscles. It also increases FGF-21, which has anti-obesity effect and helps maintain muscle mass. That can be helpfull in old people, since they tend to have more body fat. Also high protein will tend to lower testosterone.
It's very complicated, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that more protein is necessarily the best way to counter sarcopenia. Whey is often recommended against sarcopenia, but I've seen a study saying that it doesn't really work. Whey is an interesting food with lots of interesting compounds though, I take it myself.
High carbs doesn't lower cortisol stop that bullshit. Share the sources lol
Bull Spit.
High carb diet made me a mess for 60 years (vegetarian). At 68 I have spent years trying to fix myself. Still struggling. Staying low carb and feeling much better, thanks!
Raw dairy from A-2 herd (Jersey, for example) better absorbed than a whey shake).
Would love to see a debate between this chap and Bart Kay on Randall's theory. They appear to be at odds.
I thought I was supposed to eat a minimum of 1gram of protein per pound of lean muscle mass (LMM) not bodyweight?
So, basically whey isolate is still the best way of getting all the eaa and eating right along with proper exercise are still the best modality for health, - and beyond that therapeutic formulations of specific amino can be ingested or injected, which only super rich will be able to truly afford - is that about the right summary?
I've been on OMAD for over a year, lost 56 pounds in 4 months. 2200 max calories. Any thoughts on OMAD? GOD bless
I'm 23:1 Keto OMAD, 2000 calories.
@@JasonBuckman A fellow OMADer lol, what type of OMAD? Carnivore keto ot balanced?
@@JesusGarcia-Digem
I comsume meats, eggs, nuts, seeds, non-starchy vegetables, and non-sugary fruits.
What aminos do you combine the bcaas with ? Are there specific foods that have them?
bcaas should be taken off the market. its only half the EAAs and filled with fillers and fake sugars
So, if I understand Dr. Wolfe correctly, if I am intermittent fasting but need to exercise in the early morning, I can take a complete amino acid supplement before or after my workout and later, when I have my first meal, include collagen peptides that excludes the tryptophan but has the methionine, in my homemade nutrition shake. I also eat grass fed/pasture raised proteins along with vegetables/salad. That will help with muscle synthesis, balance out the dopamine - serotonin ratio that will not interrupt energy and sleep.
So how much EAA should be supplemented per day? What is optimal?
I'm a Natural Plant Based Bodybuilder/Muay Thai practitioner and I've never has a problem putting on muscle or training Martial Arts.
Great information as always! At 18:26 Dr. Wolfe mentions an inferior protein source that I was not able to distinguish. Can you clarify? Thank you!
For titanup3556: Might have been wheat protein. Also, I have gleaned, from other episodes on Dr. Lyon’s RUclips channel, that it seems best to supplement BCAA’s with any vegan protein meal. If I remember correctly, Dr. Lyon suggested leucine, and I decided to add BCAAs to fulfill this recommendation.
… Shout out to Dr. Lyon for helping me age more gracefully!
@@debrahager2634 thank you!
@@debrahager2634I heard whey protein
Wheat protein compared to whey. Whey is a higher quality.
Whey is the way to go!!
Here are a few studies that have explored topic of high protein diet and how it affects testosterone levels.
1. Effects of Dietary Composition on Testosterone: A study published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism in 1986 examined the effects of different dietary compositions on testosterone levels in men. It found that a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet reduced testosterone levels compared to a high-carbohydrate diet.
2. Protein Intake and Sex Hormones in Older Men: A study published in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society in 2010 investigated the relationship between protein intake and sex hormones in older men. The study found that high protein intake was associated with lower levels of sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), which can indirectly affect testosterone levels.
3. Protein Intake and Testosterone in Resistance-Trained Men: A study published in the International Journal of Sports Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism in 2006 examined the impact of high-protein diets on testosterone levels in resistance-trained men. The study found that high protein intake was associated with reduced testosterone levels.
For your number 2. It is interesting that some people will go on the carnivore diet simply to get prescribed TRT. I know 3 different people who have done this to make their test appear low on paper and it's because SBGh goes up and free test goes down. It may also be due to lack of carbs altogether.
@@stanlevox2291 interesting
Watched the whole thing. Superb.
Bottom line. No one diet is cookie cutter and one must consume what their individual physiology can thrive with. No junk food. I also add in intermittent fasting every now and then. I listen to my body. I just eat some of all real food available to me at different times. That works for me. I grew up on a farm. Need I say more.
18:22 Whey protein is not good because only 50% ingested, not as good as high quality Whey protein ???
Wheat
Sojnds like he said whey at first but think its wheat protein thats low quality
Yes he meant veggie/grain protein not as good as whey
if you have an allergy/intolerance to whey, is rice/pea protein isolates a good solution to supplement an omnivorous diet?
So nice conversation, but what people of this mankind evolution never makes clear, is about a very direct question. Is it better to take complete aminoácids (EEAS) or protein supplement, may be whey protein?
I listened to the creator of perfect aminos. He said whey protein isn’t a good source of protein
I have a trainer who told me that bcaa supplementation would be helpful with exertion headaches I get from any sort of high intensity training or running. Is this true?
I wonder if you have heard of Aminoindex which shows the proportion of blood amino acids as a reflection of organ metabolism as a measure to predict risk of diseases. it has been developed to screen patients with specific cancers and metabolic diseases.
Is it a blood test?
Thanks for this.
Grew up with zero animal products, no highly processed food (anything not directly off a plant is “processed” but I mean foods enriched or changed etc.
everyone around me lived the same and they remained incredibly active and healthy. We were all SDA, which Lima Linda is also and constitutes the only blue zone in the US
Adventists have been proven to have longer lives
That said, I am in a period of not digesting plants as well as meats so until my body returns to proper digestion I’m eating more meats
My workouts haven’t changed though definitely I don’t feel the enjoyment carbs bring.
I rode the school bus with a 7th Day Adventist girl. She was vegetarian, and she was big, sloppy fat, during an era when there were no fat girls.
@@margomoore4527 lol and I knew lots of fat girls back in the 60s and 70s when everyone was fairly thin and they weren't vegetarian or SDA. How stupid does a person have to be to make your comment? Who knows, you have managed to find new depths. Cheers. You are proof brain not necessary to type on a computer
I wonder what you all both think of the latest research following ingestion of 100g protein and it all goes to building muscle over 10 hours and apparently there is no known upper limit.
so he said that long zone 2 vs HIIT is better for losing body fat?
right on, bro. that's why i do low-intensity HIIT.
Still a little confused. I am wondering are the protein recommendations per pound of weight to be applied to your current weight? Or your goal weight? I have about 50lbs to lose to reach goal weight.
Goal weight
Whey protein is a weak protein when compared to a high quality protein like whey protein????
I think he said wheat protein
@@helios4425 for the first or second one
Still not clear...supplement or not? I do supplement with all EAAs, just in case.
Great info ! Especially about the protein synthesis! Thanks I love all kinds of protein but because of cholesterol issues that run in my family history .. and know that I do exercise everyday … I used to just do plant protein like kidney beans that have lots of protein like a steak …but now that I’m older I do have a steak once in awhile ,salmon once per week ,-I drink bone broth everyday etc. …. And a plant base amino formula that goes straight to your muscles in 23 min , also formulated by a Dr who had comatose patients that had muscle loss , this formula does wonders for me …, I’m age 57 and look and feel better than my 40’s! Anyone has questions feel free to DM me so I can send you my pics of muscle improvement….
What brand of amino acids do you use and at what dose? Thanks
@@sophiabogich4962 Super Aminos 23
DM me! I don't know how to do it! I'd like info please 🙏 thank you
Sorry, but listening to
Dr. Wolf is like reading dry text.
He drones.
I'm constantly having to go back & relisten when I realize that very little of his dialog seems to be registering in my brain.
The content in this interview is SO important -REALLY good content, I think😊
but the delivery could use some improvement, IMO!
Thank you for teaching us that we can have our steak and eat it too.
(what about an interview with Thomas DeLauer ?)
Ha ha, I already saw you did !
Thank you ! 💪
(don't you pay attention to the mudslingers, we'll clean them up ;)
that guy 😂
WOW!!! THANK YOU, FOR ALL OF THIS VERY INTERESTING, AND VITAL INFORMATION!!!...MUCH APPRECIATED!!!...
I think you need (Dr.Valter Longo) on this podcast to clean all this up.
I'm currently under treatment for Hep C. Because of this virus I have sarcopenia. I was told to stay of red meat but I do take some BCAA's as well as Taurine to help with horrible leg cramps. Would Keto or carnivore actually help me get some of my muscle back?
use EAAs not BCAAs
@@AquaLady153 thank you!
@@martashea159you're welcome. i wish you well
So perhaps a bcaa suplement wih your proteim shake in the morning will be simple and optimal ?
no
You must have a half and half diet. Plant diet for two weeks and animal protein for one week. You need to alternate and fill in the gaps of protein vitamins and waste those cancer cells
What is best for people who are allergic to dairy and whey protein?
Eat meat and eggs.
@@jaghad Sure but it's pretty hard to get enough protein without a powder of some type, especially when you're eating tons of plants for cancer or other health purposes.
@@cindianderson9443there are protein powders that have been micro filtered to remove the lactose enzyme that causes intolerance.
XWERKS Grow
Paleo Pro is great protein powder :)
@@DrGabrielleLyon Wrong again.
“Take your protein pills and put your helmet on. Ground control to Major Tom…”
Dr Lyon, I do enjoy the nerdy aspect of these podcasts! I always loved biochemistry.Having said that, sadly all the biochemistry in the world is not going to make a dent if the message is not loud and clear : we ( as western society) need to eat much less and move more. It sounds like even Dr Wolfe agree that at the end of the day it does not really matter what you eat as long as we keep calories in check- obviously provided the delivery of an adequate amount of protein. I do not know what is the solution on a global scale given people are bombarded with temptations of ultra-processed, junk foods 24/7. Let's not forget also the world is at a point where the current food system is unsustainable.
People eat more (calories) because the processed foods are so sadly lacking in full proper nutrition. They crave what is not available in these foods even though stuffed to the gill with calories. Whole, nutrition-dense foods are the answer. But the food industries have so much influence, even over the advocates who should be protective (medical industry, FDA, etc). Bad foods are promoted far and wide, and healthy foods, condemned.😢
** "Eat your Wheaties." AND get your daily dose of glyphosate, too. Don't want to miss out on diabetes2!**
Cattle, goat, and sheep all can produce food in climates and off land which is impossible to farm for vegetable or grain crops. The plant based fad is actually not the best for the environment.
Desertification can be reversed with correct management of ruminant herds. See work of Alan Savory.
thank you
They recommend Dairy protein, when this type of protein would give a lot of people a Bloating stomach, Gas, Diarrhea, Nausea, Acne and a Fat Face!🤦♂️
Dr Rob should sit down for a talk with Prof Noakes!
Thank you. ❤❤❤
Funny to see two people trying to say that you cant get everything with whole plant based food... Of course they both sell their products... Rich roll, ultr endurance winner might have something to say
True dat. But easier if eating meat. Most don't have the wherewithall to thrive on vegan diet.
@@jellybeanvinkler4878 agree to disagree specially if you eat at home... Also all meta analysis agree on 50% morr risk to die from heart attack... Dont even speak aboit tbe antibiotics they give to animals... 90% américain are deficiant in fibers.....
right on, bro. Rich Roll definitely doesn't sell any products! lmao. a Cowspiracy DVD is only $19.95!
So is fasting bad
it's great temporarily for weight loss. but Peter Attia gave up fasting due to muscle loss. sounds like this doc recommends not letting the body go too long without protein. i'm gonna try 30g for BF, lunch and dinner. from 8 am to 7 pm.
just eat beef
And Chicken
Lay off the veal Let the baby live🎉
Only if it Grass Fed exclusively.
Grain fed beef has high omega 6 the bad omega. Grass fed beef is high omega3 the good omega. 😊
@@rdallas81 eating chicken is like taking revenge on dinosaurs
@@brendafosmire6519 meat is meat
.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight??? A kilogram is 2.205 lbs.
I've not heard this one, always heard the reference; .8 grams of protein per pound of lean body mass.. anyone?
Dunno maybe the WHO has the .8 per kg requirment. And dr lyon and others says should be 1g per lb(average)
0.8 g/kg body weight is the RDA recommendation to prevent malnutrition. However if you’re optimizing for muscle, then 1.6g/kg body weight seems more ideal. This can move up to 2.2g/kg (equivalent to 1g/lb of body weight) when body fat is lower, in order to preserve muscle during caloric restriction.
Where in the world did you hear that? It's never been per lbs. It has always been per kilo of body weight.
I just eat.
Works for me.
@@AlastrionaS ok i see your point. But she ordinarily recommends 1 gram per pound. I take even more than that
Thank you brother robot.
So what are your thoughts on colostrum? It is a form of protein being touted as a super food.
Tried it. You can see the blood in it, and taste it. Regular whole raw milk tastes way better.
I wisj you would speak in lbs instead of kilograms, i was born and raised in American we know things better in lbs, now to understand you i have to go and learn how many kilograms makes a lb so ill know how much protein to take according to my body weight in lbs
awesome!
Does taking EAAs on empty stomach before doing fasted cardio in morning spare muscle loss?
Eating a banana would be better instead of EAA or BCAA
The whole point is to damage muscles so they can heal back bigger and stronger..
Depends on what you are trying to achieve.
Muscle mass? Cardio health?
Endurance? Strength?.
Training and diet affect all these.
In 18:25 did he say "wheat protein"?
Are you related to Alexander Lyon?
0:24 did this guy just say whey protein isn't great and then says whey protein is good WTF
I think he was saying “wheat” protein. He said whey and milk is high quality.
What about blue zones 🤔
RUclips, no carb life, Great place to see other people's experiences.
the camera zooms are very annoying
Don't watch it.
Scoreboard: Gym Rats 35, Academic Science 9.
The jawline on this doctor is worth a sub alone.
She's def beautiful
@@DavidHoughtalingI thought Dr Wolfe. 🤔
☠️
To be honest this was painful to sit through… never getting to the point of the title of the video
I Take beta alanin histidine valine glycine lysine glutamine with b complex proline andcspirulina amazing results and sometimes nac in smal amounts
And what does that do for you?
You should know that FASTING has more benefits than most people can even imagine.
Some of the things people eat, and take cause more damage through oxidation and impurities than any perceived benefits are worth.
@@rdallas81 good skin better bowel movement better regeneration
@@rdallas81 yes right i fast 2 days a Week and the other days I lf 12-4 eating window most of the times
@@Schutzmassnahmen Excellent!
That's terrific..
Fasting is very effective..
working with "who" YEAH, they have our best interest at heart....?????......SKETCHY.....VERY SKETCHY
You said "heart" and WHO in the same sentence.
$$$
I'm 75 years old been vegetarian since the age of 22 before the age of 22 mostly meat and dairy products I have no desire for meat for meat
Kidney beans like a steak? Utter stupidity if you believe that.
Just some facts.
There are about 7 areas on Earth, the so-called Blue zones, where many people become very healthy over the age of 100.
What is striking is that they all eat very little or no meat.
In addition, there are absolute top athletes such as Hamilton and Djokovic who make their performances on a plant-based diet.
go visit the Land of Pork -- Okinawa -- and check out their Fish Market.
they're pushing the cancerous meat
Still confused!!!
You mentioned that it is very hard to lose weight by eating enough protein. Well let's say you eat a carnivore meal from pork that meets your protein walue you you are 100 kg and you eat 600grams of meat made on grill you will have some fats baut you will hit your 200grams of protein. You can eat it in two meals and having oly some dressing or limited amount let's say 100g of vegetables.. how id that hitting over your calore for maintenance.I m coming from the idea that someone got fat because he eat to many carbs less protein before. Now you revers you eat less carbs. Glucogenesis will solve the carbs requirements from your body fat
Just eat lentils