I’d be keen on your take where Calvinist’s use exodus and hardening pharaohs heart as evidence God can decree according to His arbitrary will, how a person responds to Him.. Personally I’ve always viewed this passage as God foreknowing Pharoahs ultimate response and the hardening just speeds up the process of what would have happened anyway One thing i disagree in the video, is the interpretation of Gods foreknowledge, the passage you cite is not about God knowing who would be saved or not saved but that God ‘knows’ us, in the sense of relationship once we are saved.. it is not talking about his foreknowledge of our response, which is part of His omniscience and this is not even voluntarily limited
Oh come on Kevin! It can’t be that simple now can it!? Oh wait... it can. The Bible is simple. I heard someone once say” the Bible is so simple that you need someone to help you misunderstand it” . God bless brother. Great job with another sound teaching !
The gospel is SO simple a child can understand it. Lol My son at 6 years old prayed the sinners prayer (wait, can that work???), and has been walking with Him ever since....he's 32.
@@shredhed572 i did as early as 4 with my mother leading me, i did again at 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 after my mom told me I can go to heaven if I'll die because Jesus sacrifice himself and pay my sin debt and he'll take with Him, i did it myself ALONE at age 10 February 22, 2002, 4 pm. Now im 29.
@@paulluce2557 funny but not funny... We were attending a church that was switching over to calvanist but denied it for 3 years. My 15 year old knows her Bible well and everytime she would quote the Bible she was countered with well John macarthur said, or John Calvin said, or a favorite was who did you listen to teach you that... The Bible was never enough for them
Monique, I became very depressed when I first encountered Calvinism 25 years ago in a church I visited in a new town. Our church recently split over this theology when two of our staff members decided they believed in Calvinism and started trying to secretly convert our church. One of the teenagers in our youth ministry was practically suicidal thinking he may not be one of the elect. I'm so glad you found this video and it helped you so much. I understand completely!
@@karidentinparadise5272 Thank you for sharing. Hope and pray that boy is doing better. That other commenter has some real real anger issues and his choices of movies and music other stuff he has on his site makes me wonder maybe we should pray for him.
Wow. I am so sorry. That sounds a lot like what happened to me. No wonder they have to introduce Calvinism after a person trusts in Christ. Otherwise they would be freaked out and depressed like I was! I'm sorry other people went through the same thing, it's really horrible. At the same time it's reassuring to know that you're not alone! We need to pray for God to open the eyes of Calvinists. I'm so grateful to God that we know the truth now. God bless u ladies
BRILLIANT TALK SIR MY GOODNESS!!!! I believe you have it!!! Ive been studying this topic non stop for 3 months.. and on and off for 15 years. This is by far the best explanation form anyone i have heard 👍👍👍. My goodness. ... Its the only one ive heard that doesn’t contradict scripture.
@39:00 ……. He leaves out a very very very very important #4 question. HOW does a person BECOME predestinated by God for the wonderful things these Scriptures tell us BELIEVERS Are predestinated for???? WHERE do we get the faith to believe? We are dead in our sin. The DEAD can’t do anything. So how does this process get started?
@@marialamb6781 I doubt he’s denying God draws people to himself. But you are dropping a lot of Calvinist definitions behinds your specific words. For example “the dead cant do anything “…… This gives you away as a Calvinist (because that’s how they define dead)…But does scripture define dead that way?? To me it appears not even close. Dead in the bible means separated from god because of sin (adam being an example). It means having the penalty of sin on you (again adam). The biblical definition of words should be 1. the bible. 2. The jewish context of the authors (i.e the old testament and the ancient near east worldview)…. does old testament define dead as “cant do anything?”…. Do a word study of every occurrence. Its not even close to that. It means separated from god because of sin. It means out of relationship…. Dead is a powerful ancient metaphor for out of relationship … Like you saying to your abusive ex “you are dead to me”. it keans tou have cut them off and walked away from relationship. It’s va metaphor… Your not saying “You ca do nothing “…. thats a mordern hyper literal interpretation if the phrase…. Heres a bible example. What does the Father say of the Prodigal son? “He was dead and now he’s alive”….We can see this is the exact same usage. A the jewish people of the day understood this usage exactly. The sin of the son had broken his relationship to the father. Whats the advise to these “dead people “. …. also the same as the prodigal son. Repent and turn back to God (not “since you are dead and can do nothing im going to irresistibly draw you). He just says “repent” (which is clearly something the dead person does not god. Can a dead person repent without god? Clearly not but hasn’t the Holy Spirit gone put into the world to convict of sin righteousness and the Judgement to come. Isn’t Jesus the light that came into the world to enlighten every man? (and the lamb of god offered for the sins of the world and not the elect alone)…. etc… Dozens of references. The universal act of reconciliation is offered to all men through the Gospel. Its the constant repeated message of the bible. So he does “draw all men to himself”…. Just not all accept it. Can a dead person do nothing? Mostly no. They cant die for the sons of the whole world and pay for their own sins, they cant open their blind eyes they cant soften their hard hearts etc, they can only receive the gospel when it’s delivered to them. That is literally what faith means (in the biblical sense). Trust in the great work done by another. It is the unwork, the opposite of works (that is at least how Paul defines it). Its the opposite of working its what one does who’s helpless to procure their own salvation. Trust in god. Its not a work leading to righteousness. Its the act of the helpless and God choose to impute it as righteousness for those whole believe in Christ (at least thats how Paul puts it in Romans). The entire calvinist/ armenian debate which is really just the Augustinian Pelagian debate. is contingent on misdefining certain words (for example Pelagius was the one to break away from Pauls emphasis as faith as a non work and not worthy of wages… and the imputation of righteousness was by Gods grace not by the inherit merit of faith). We we’ve been struggling with that false definition ever since instead of simply reading the book of romans and just believing it. Perhaps the message is just too outrageous. Perhaps our not yet fully regenerate minds struggle to even grasp it (as Luther said he has to reconvince himself of the Gospel everyday).
@@marialamb6781 If I argued that I can tell that you are not dead on the basis that you were able to type out a reply to this video, you would most likely reply with "duh". And I would look silly. Why? Becuase the dead can't think for themselves nor type out a reply, can they? Everyone knows this is obvious as the evidence clearly indicates you are very much alive. Also, it would be a rather simplistic argument to make. But in making this argument I would in fact prove something very profound which the scriptrues plainly declare... A fact that you have overlooked with the argument you presented. You see, I can safely conclude that you are very much capable of "doing" something of your own volition by exercising the members of your physical body that God has given you. Why is this important? Because you are conflating two very different states of man as the same. You are conflating being spiritually dead with being physically or consciously dead. You are correct, as far as that in our unregenerated (not born again) state we are spiritually dead. But you are gravely mistaken to assume that that fact renders our physically alive bodies, that God breathed life into, worthless or incapacitated. You are currently very much alive physically, consciously, mentally, emotionally, etc. You have eyes, ears, a mind and a heart to see, hear, process and respond to the gospel. You can do a great many things in this body including rejecting or accepting the Gospel. This is why God calls upon all men everywhere to repent. To turn to Him in faith. To make a conscious decision to trust in Him to the saving of their soul. To call on Him in faith, because it all begins and ends with faith. It all hinges upon faith. What must you do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ! Confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead and thou shalt be saved. For all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. And God has given us the faculties to do this. Spiritually dead, yes; physically dead, no. Ultimately, this is why we are without excuse: our conscience bears us witness. Why? Again, because God has given us the "physical" means to respond to the Gospel call. And we will be held accountable for the choice we did or didn't make in this life.
Thank you so much for this teaching-I recently left the Catholic Church and am sorting through Protestant teachings-I almost got sucked into Calvinism but something (or Someone) was leading me away. Your video confirmed to always look to scripture to interpret scripture. :)
Brother, I can't thank you enough for this. You have articulated what I could not. Ever since being saved I have sternly refuted Calvinism and knew in my spirit it was fundamentally flawed but I did not have the knowledge that you have presented here. Thank you!
Yes! This is exactly how I have felt regarding Calvinism. I immediately rejected it and knew in my spirit that it wasn't right. Thank you so much for breaking it down this way. 💗
Excellent explanation. I have been a born again Christian for 40 years. & have pondered over this question ! Thank you for sharing the meaning of this scripture you made my day ✝️❤️👍🙋♂️⭐️😀
Me too. Its closest thing to hell with the mind and word games. Check mate me at every thing I say. Its horrible. Cant get out, its like Hotel California.
When I became a Christian at the age of 12 yrs.old I don't know anything about predestination nor I know Calvinism doctrine. I simply believed the word of God and that Jesus Christ died for me and rose again. I accepted Jesus Christ and committed my life to Him and I thanked God everyday that whenever I prayed, God sees Jesus Christ in me and not my sins for Jesus Christ righteousness was imputed in me and now I can come to God in pray and worship Him thru Jesus Christ my Lord and my Saviour. Not of my works but by Holy Spirit who opened my eyes and gave the faith and now I have eternal life. There are many ppl who doesn't know how read but when the gospel is presented to them and in God's grace made them understand and simply believed that Jesus is the only way ,they don't need to study further about predestination. It's so hard to comprehend, we believers shared the gospel about Jesus, His death on the cross, He is risen, He will come back again for us. And in the meantime we should all be living a righteous life for Him, and commit to Him our ways everyday for He is worthy to received all the praises and Glory for Jesus is our Lord and Savior.
Sorry. Predestination is boldly taught in the 1ST chapter of Ephesians!!!! The Ephesians were not scholars. It is not difficult to understand. It requires grace and mercy to receive and embrace, however.
R L yes, predestined of what a Christian is destined to and what they are to do as godly people in a dark world. It’s not taking strictly about salvation
@@shredhed572 nice try protecting your fleshly pride by denying the truth... Presdesination unto salvation is personal. God, before all creation chose all of those he would graciously have mercy upon and save and secured their salvation. GLORY TO GOD!
One of my favorite things he said, "nothing can prevent you from getting there!" Whoo hoo! This is what I've always been taught about predestination, thank God! This is what fills every day with joy and hope!
I think I’m getting it, but may have to watch this two or three times to really comprehend what you are saying. The idea that, “predestinate,“ is referring to those already saved is quite compelling. Thank you for your service, (I was an armored cav combat medic in Vietnam). BTW, I was also a student/instructor/missionary of gnostic anthropology for 20 years… trust me, when I got right with God, the Lord took the, “gnosis,“ out of the boy. God bless you Pastor… this is a brilliant, and well produced, video.
GLORY TO GOD!!!!!! I feel like a trapped 1800s army scout fighting off an army of Indians, and you just handed me a modern army issue M4 with a stockpile of amo! I am meeting my pastor next week, who I just discovered is calvinist, to confront him on it. I am so glad I found this video of yours. I've watched you for a long time Kevin, but this one is exactly what I needed right now. Thank you... Glory to God.
Praising God for goodness and mercy in all His plans! This message greatly clarifies and simplifies predestination. Pondering this as s a believer who holds to Christ having fulfilled all Scripture, I can see those verses specifically speaking to the elect of the first century. They were awaiting a corporate resurrection and adoption if they endured the great tribulation. Today, we pass from this life into the presence of the Lord. Either way, our Father is amazing and all that He predestined will come to pass! Thank you so much for these messages! ❤
By reading the comments below, I believe this has helped quite a few people who were troubled by this very troublesome and pernicious teaching called Calvinism. Thank you for making this presentation.
Thank you for your videos i was a Calvinist i have since changed my view but you have been helpful as to the doctrines showing the truth a what the bible teaches my family still are Calvinist but i will try to get them to watch you videos cheers
How refreshing to see calm, order, honest hermaneutics and purely Scripture brought to bear on this subject - without contamination by suppositions, tradition, prejudice. May the Lord grant you long life, sound mind and body, spiritual protection in the battle for truth. I'm down here in the middle of Brazil, serving the Lord, and this resource will help me understand these issues for myself and in teaching others. Couldn't agree more.
Josh Hargan Bro, we will need you in this fight to help calvinists see honestly. Use your past as a testimony to help those deceived by this man made calvinistic philosophy. But as for Yeo, ignore that one. Just pray for him/her.
WOW! Finally a lesson on this topic that is Biblically based. So, so, many lessons by these stuffed shirts that try to make us believe God chose us and we do not get to choose. I point back to John 3:16. ... loved the “world” ... that “whosoever believeth”... That’s “everybody” gets a chance to believe. Just because God is all knowing only means God knows, not that He chose. Woo, that kinda rhymes. Thank you so much for this devinely inspired lesson. I am going to create a shorter version and use it in future teachings. Blessings to all!
The Consistent Calvinist answers the question “If God knows that *by creating you* , you will end up in hell, then how is God not determined you to end up in hell *by creating you?* “ Omniscience + Creation = Predestination… ruclips.net/video/UX-FFNr3Xhg/видео.html
The word is ORDAINED. KJV is heretical when it comes to correct Transliteration. But it is great version for accuracy of transcription. You must be in Christ's hands to enter His hierarchical ministry positions. Ordained teacher is not your first position as a new Christian. But brand new Calvinist is predestined to teach others about calvinism
Thank you, thank you!! This is so important for us to understand when we are spreading the Gospel to unbelievers. You have taken a great off my heart, and removed on- coming resentment.
BINGO!... Got it now. Thank you. And thank you for your service to our country. I did my 20 in the navy. I never believed the false Calvinist theory ever since I got saved. Because the Bible is very clear, that God is not willing that anyone should perish but repent (Change of mind, to turn, believe) confess and believe what Jesus did for us. John chapter 3, Romans chapter 10 is so clear... the Bible, from front to back is very, very clear. Maranatha
Praise God, when people ask me if I am any kind of "ist" or believe in any kind of "ism", I tell them I am a Biblicist and I believe what Scripture says. If my beliefs are wrong, you must show me using Scripture and using it in it's proper context. I have never heard this view presented before and now after analyzing scripture, I can't say you made an error in any of your teachings. Thank you very much! The only thing I know for sure is that I am Born Again and will receive my inheritance by Grace through Faith.
There is no Gospel in calvinism, the so called "elect" were never in danger of anything and never had anything to be saved from, the so called "non-elect" in calvinism never had any hope and never will, in calvinism the "elect" don't need a savior and the "non-elect" don't have one, in calvinism there is no hope, there is no Gospel, there is no savior, there are only the "elect" and "non-elect". Pure Heresy
@@MansterBear That's what they say but that's exatly what Calvinism is if you take Calvinism doctrines to their logical end, Timothy Wayne is not even taking these toughts to an absurd extreme, it's just the logical end of Calvinism.
@@nilsix2371 There is a savior in Calvinism. That's how we are saved. The gospel is that Jesus came to save all those who would repent and put their trust in him. That doesn't change if youre a Calvinist or non Calvinist. Calvinists believe that what the bible says is true. That before God regenerates a person, takes their heart of stone and gives them a heart of flesh, our default, sinful position is: deceitful and wicked (Jer. 17:9) full of evil (Mark 7:21-23) loves darkness rather than light and does evil (John 3:19) does not seek for God nor does any good (Rom. 3:10-12) is ungodly (Rom. 5:6) dead in his sins (Eph. 2:1) by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3) cannot accept or understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14) a slave of sin (Rom. 6:16-20) Non Calvinists say "but we can still accept salvation" in direct violation to "does not seek for God nor do any good, CANNOT accept or understand spiritual things". Calvinists simply believe that all of that is true. If we can't accept something spiritual in our default, fallen state, then how can we accept salvation which is 100% spiritual? Can a dead man choose to live? Can a slave choose to be free? Is someone who does not seek for God and does not do ANY good, able to do the good act of repenting and trusting Jesus?
@@MansterBear MansterBear deceitful and wicked (Jer. 17:9) full of evil (Mark 7:21-23) loves darkness rather than light and does evil (John 3:19) does not seek for God nor does any good (Rom. 3:10-12) is ungodly (Rom. 5:6) dead in his sins (Eph. 2:1) by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3) cannot accept or understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14) a slave of sin (Rom. 6:16-20) Scripture. all of it TRUTH. God sent His Son to die for sins of all mankind, to conquer death and give eternal life to all those who will trust Jesus as Savior, the only Way, the only Truth and LIFE. Can a dead man choose to live? not a physically dead man. when you die it's too late. the offer expires when you do. Can a slave choose to be free? there is freedom IN CHRIST no matter where and who you are. Jesus Christ can save you if you are a slave, or prisoner in jail. Freedom from power of sin, freedom from penalty of sin, and future freedom from presence of sin, Is someone who does not seek for God and does not do ANY good, able to do the good act of repenting and trusting Jesus? You believe the gospel by hearing and by faith and by grace of God. I may not know much. But I know what I believe and when I was in a church teaching TULIP it was not good news but a false gospel. i follow Christ not calvin. Yes God is sovereign, yes God is just. and He desires that none should perish but all come to God. but still some refuse to turn to Him because they don't believe and don't want to have their hearts changed
Tnx Kevin !...you make some great points in your exegesis /hermeneutics.Galatians 4:8-9 really are important to refute the Calvinists doctrine. And thank you for your service....i Graduated from Ill State Univ. in 1970 BS in Ed. and found myself in training as a Combat Corpsman and then Battle Surgery Tech. I am a disabled Vet and served Veterans for 26 years as a Veteran Employment Rep .Went to Graduate School. HS Science teacher.Was also a big pharma rep for years and attended bible college for a time.Was a Sunday School Teacher and Evangelism Explosion Instructor.Two years ago , I asked the Lord to show me , true and false doctrines of the the church and He has shown many truths that I had never before known. He has taught me to stay very close to the scriptures and even study the original language that the text was translated from whether it be Hebrew , Greek, or Aramaic because, many english words do not translate exactly like the original text which can have multiple meanings based on context. Keep up the good work and will see you at the marriage supper. Dana
Kevin Thompson thanks for this and God bless you brother.all I ever wanted was a BIBLICAL refute of Calvin ism and for a while I thought there weren't any. I am curious however on your view of those whoe names are written in the Lambs Book of Life before the foundation of the world. please do a video on it!
The rapture is a false doctrine created by the Jesuits. Christians have been persecuted by the millions by Rome since Christ left. You are not flying off anywhere. " Ye are partakers in Christ suffering. " 1 Peter 4:13
Kevin Thompson ; I’m reformed......so did you save yourself is the question........wow.......so your to say you saved yourself or had a part in that saving.....so that you could boast to God......we’ll done then sir.....no need for Jesus then if you did......
Hey Christian, It appears that you are under the false, unscriptural assumption that faith is a work. Scripture is the ONLY authority to we that believe. God's word clearly, clearly contrasts faith and works in many places. Biblically the two are not the same in any way and the only place I know of that you can get the concept that faith is a work you can perform to be owned salvation from God is from Calvinistic philosophy and not the Bible. Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (The Bible says people come to faith by hearing the Gospel and not by some mysterious secret will irresistible pre-belief regeneration). Kevin has laid out what predestination means using scripture in a clear and comprehensive manner. If you see where he is wrong scripturally, please post for all to check out. Spouting false assumptions from Calvinism and hurling the unfounded accusation that Kevin is boasting about his own works apart from God is not something that glorifies Christ. Satan is the accuser of the brethren day and night. Please do not follow his lead; let's edify or post scriptural loving correction instead. Thanks!
A Calvinist dies and finds himself at the entrance of heaven. He sees two doors. One door said, "free will", and the other door says "predestination" He goes through the door that said. "predestination". An angel appeared to him and asked what he was doing here. He explained that he saw the sign on the door and decided to enter. The angel told him that he couldn't be here because he used his free will to choose which door he was going to enter. So he left and went through the other door that said, "free will". An angel appeared and asked him what he was doing here. He said, "I had no choice".
Thank you for your excellent explanation of the different views of predestination. It was so helpful to look at the Biblical context and cross-references. Yours was the best explanation of pre-destination I have ever come across and I'm so glad I took the time to watch this.
Thank you Kevin Thompson. And thank you again. This intellectual bondage and the thousands of thick shoulder to shoulder tomes written about it are a snare to christians worldwide esp those who do not embrace intellectualism.
Very well done. Your ability to keep Scripture in context helps us all rightly divide the Word. The graphics and text of verses help make this easily understandable. Keep up the good work! Blessings!!
I very rarely comment on channels but, Kevin, you are a real blessing. Thank you for your work in the Word and bringing this exegesis to those looking for answers. God Bless you and us all. Amen!
This has got me thinking and reconsidering my interpretation of predestination. Although, in 1peter 2 he says 1 Peter 1:1-2 NASB1995 [1] Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are *chosen* [2] according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure. Being chosen still precedes the promise of being predestined at the end of our faith And also in Ephesians 1:4 NASB1995 [4] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love chosen before the foundation of the world is before the predestination in vs 5 So although predestination may be different from election, we are still chosen to be predestined
The word for "foreknew" in Romans 8 can just as easily be rendered "knew before;." the point being that the word "foreknew" is a relationship term, thus God had a relationship with them in the past. He "knew" them before the current time frame. If Paul is talking about the saints from the past that God knew before now, then it makes sense why he speaks in the past tense about their calling, justification, sanctification and glorification. So then the context is that Paul is saying all believers will be conformed to the image of Christ, even those whom God knew before now (foreknew). The guaranteed future of all believers is the same for all time periods.
"9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him" Hebrews 5:9 "34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him." Acts 10:34-35 "3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:3-4 "9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9 "30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent" Acts 17:30
17:46, and we finally get to scripture. Eph 1. However, this guy says that people equate "adoption" with "the *time* people get saved." I emphasise *time* because I have a feeling it is going to be important in a moment. But, no, "adoption of children" is speaking of their ultimate end. Their ultimate *destination*. Time doesn't enter into it. At this point, I cannot even imagine how the "time" that people get saved has anything at all to do with it, but I suspect he's gonna explain, so I will continue. He says "people" equate..., which I think he's ultimately going to lay at the charge of "Calvinists". We'll see. In any case, he thinks this "*time* people get saved" is a crucial distinction, because he calls it a bunch of preconceived baggage (not his exact words) that people bring with them to scripture. Frankly, and personally, I've never heard anyone talk about the *time* people get saved as being a factor in "predestination" at all. This is all a completely new interpretation that I'm hearing here for the first time. So, maybe I stand to actually learn something. We'll see. For the time being, right now, the anchor that has been set is this idea that "people equate 'adoption' with 'the time people get saved'..." Something I've never heard before in thirty years of being a Christian. Maybe he's just run into a bunch of people I've never met. I've never heard anyone claim this new doctrine of his. But it it clear that this is the stake he's setting. Let's see if it turns out to be a straw man he's building.
Robert Zeurunkl The actual aplication of the pre in the TULIP is really in synchrony with the the scriptures from Genesis and is not just a mere mention of the actual word itself but facts on everything God planned from génesis to apocalipsis. God does not fail everyday he never loses a soul lfeom h
Adoption isn't our "ultimate end." It doesn't say anything of the sort. Just like you homing in on "time " I can nit pick the words you use too lol Our ultimate end is ruling with Christ over the earth after the new heaven and earth come into being, by the power of God. Adoption is the redemption of the body. Rom. 8:23 None of this is new. It's been I'm the bible for two thousand years. Lol
@39:00 ……. He leaves out a very very very important #4 question. HOW does a person BECOME predestinated by God for the wonderful things these Scriptures tell us BELIEVERS Are predestinated for???? WHERE do we get the faith to believe? We are dead in our sin. The DEAD can’t do anything. So how does this process get started?
Great JOB! Thank you for Serving our country Kevin! And for the teaching making clear that scripture alone is our authority and exposing the false doctrine of calvin..
I have been wrestling with this doctrine here of late. Well, I think the matter is settled and I can rest on it. I have never really understood how God can hardwire a man or woman to fail then judge them as if they had a say or if they chose to reject. Sounds totally unjust.. Thanks for the video
Joseph, God does not "hard wire" some people to believe. All have sinned and fall short. Romans 9 explains that none of us are worthy of salvation. The fact that God chooses any of us to hear and believe the gospel shows His overwhelming mercy.
Katie Marvel yes, but Calvinists say that our turning to sin and evil was our nature was always going to be our nature no matter what. But was sin in Adam before the fruit? No, it was not. God holds us in contempt over our sin (without Christ) because despite having the light, despite knowing what is true and right, we choose that which is wrong, evil, and deceptive. It is the condemnation that is in John 3. We abused the gift God has given us, which is free will in a nutshell.
Thank you! I appreciate your mind, communication skills and videos... I'm Orthodox myself but appreciating a Protestant seeing the nuance and "timing" and context as opposed to where many just mindlessly regurgitate what they've been taught... doctrines that are often based too heavily on human philosophical presupposition (and speculation) over and above the text. As Orthodox we do hold to the "possibility" of loss of our "position" (participation) in Christ though of course - through willful going astray. The teaching of John Cassian in the 4th cent. sums up our position (as your may well know)... a definite - non Augustinian Calvinistic - type of compatibilism.: a definite "synergism"
This is exactly the video I needed to disprove Calvinism which I've always thought is unbiblical reading (forcing) lots of strange concepts into God's Word rather than organically deriving from it. Thank you!!!
Thank you so much for this excellent teaching, this is the second time I have gone through it. Calvinist are surrounded on all sides, there is no plan B, so just go home and rethink your lives, open your Bible, and get before God. This deserves to be utilized by anyone who teaches the Bible, and takes what they do seriously.
Brother, you have truly been a blessing to me!!! I recently transitioned out of the “Calvinistic” or “Reformed” fellowship setting because the Lord had revealed to me prior to watching your videos that it was not from him. The Lord in his mercy and kindness has used your videos to further confirm what he has spoken to me. Thanks for your obedience and for not being afraid to speak against heresy. May the Lord continue to call all of his children out of these false settings. Amen.
Yes. The strength of this for me is context. Who are we talking to, when are we talking about it and associated frames of reference make this an excellent teaching and WAY of teaching. I will try to do the same. THanks
This is the best exegesis I have ever seen on the issue of predestination. This was a very thorough job and I was so blessed by this exposition. God bless you Beyond The Fundamentals
@@Rbl7132 There is no deception there. If you have a superior argument, you need to show why the author is wrong on his exegesis. He is very spot on . Please point us to what the author stated that is incorrect about predestination. Can you?
@@BBFaith-Channel Yes. The Bible explicitly teaches as a core doctrine "personal predestination unto salvation." Along with that The Scriptures emphatically teach that God chooses in salvation. He chooses whom He will save, and will save every one of them because the Father gave them to the Son. This doctrine is hated more than any other Biblical doctrine.
Great job Kevin. Don't think I've ever heard predestination/forknew explained quite like that but I don't see any problem with it at all. I think it's very likely to be the correct view. Man looks like a lot of work went into making this, thanks!
yeoberry -- In the first part of your statement, you try to clarify the meaning of the word "predestination", so which of the 4 passages dealing with the word itself are you specifically referring to, so we can discuss what the bible actually says about it? In the second part of your statement, does the passage containing "before the foundation of the earth" contains the word "predestination" or its derivatives? Just a reminder, the video deals specifically with the word "predestination" and its derivatives wherever they appear in the bible, the video doesn't deal with any other word!
yeoberry -- First, the word predestination doesn't mean "God's choice is the ultimate cause." But I agree with your 3rd point that predestination means "mark out beforehand." Now according to the passage you quoted, *Who* are predestined? And for *What* are they predestined?
yeoberry -- Of course God's choice is always ultimate whether or not He predestines anything. I only brought that up to avoid the slippery slope of thinking that the word "predestination" means "God's choice is always ultimate" like you wrote before. Also you actually got it right, let me quote you, "We --*believers*-- *are* *predestined* to be adopted as God's children". The believers (those who believe) are the ones predestined for adoption and not the lost for salvation. And nowhere in that passage or any other passage dealing with the specific word "predestination" defines the word as "God's original decision to save some and not others" like Augustine puts it or like most calvanists believe. I also totally agree with the 2nd part of your statement "...the ultimate choice in believers being God's children is God's." Of course God is the one ultimately choosing to make *believers* His children.
The rapture is a false doctrine created by the Jesuits. Christians have been persecuted by the millions by Rome since Christ left. You are not flying off anywhere. " Ye are partakers in Christ suffering. " 1 Peter 4:13. The Jesuits created it to undermine Protestantism. Rapture is a apart of the Jesuit Futurism doctrine. Futurism was created by Francisco Ribera S.J
Bottom line is that one must understand and admit that men are totally reprobate & incapable of understanding spiritual things let alone responding to them as a corpse dead in their sins. God has His sheep, and they hear His voice - goats do not. Predestination is God’s privilege to bestow His Grace upon anyone He chooses. This is not injustice, it is God’s prerogative. If you walk into a room with 20 people and five (5) dollar bills in your pocket, you may give any person you so choose a dollar bill. Low and behold you could have made a list of who you would give those bills to, in advance & you could have made that decision based solely... according to the purpose of your good will, having nothing to do with the individual, but instead YOUR purpose. God can do this, and it is perfectly fine - He made a list too, called the Book of Life, & He wrote in it before He laid the foundations of the world (Rev. 13:8, Rev. 17:8). This is so simple - to trust in God the eternal destiny of people rather than their selfish, reprobate, deprived, darkness loving hearts of stone. Praise God that His Grace intervenes in the lives of mankind.
Dear Jeff, this is not a novel concept this is the ONLY way to read and understand scriptures. The minute you step out and read other writings it will just confuse your soul. blessings
@@Geoffroxx I read the Bible honestly. It is plain. It is clear. It is absolute. Your gospel exists in your imagination. Your main problem is you have not been convicted of your own evil, and if the evil nature of mankind. Did you know Jesus said that man is evil? Do you know what evil is? The Devil is also evil. Does he deserve mercy? As long as you live in delusion that mankind is this precious, deserving, innocent creature who made some boo boos, you will continue to flock to false teachers to tickle your ears.
Who here is claiming that man is "innocent" and deserves mercy"? Sound like a strawman to me. Now if you have a point to make then why not use scripture and deal with this issue honestly, because to me it seems that you are the one with the tickled ears.
@UCnNVBjXPCBdMcSX-aCeROpw A person will not repent unless God grants it. Salvation is an effectual work of God that includes the preaching of the gospel that includes the command to repent. I dont understand youd point.
Hello Kevin , I just stumbled on your videos and am so pleased i did . I'm 59 years old and it's only been a couple of yrs. that I finally saw the truth concerning my eternal security ( I've been born again since 1982 ) along with various other side issues I was in error about . Keep up the with the great messages and it looks like you've got quite a number of videos to keep me busy for a while . Blessings Brother .
“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.” 1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5 KJV “And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.” Acts 16:30-31 KJV Don’t take the amount of scriptures sent as an indication that the Gospel is not simple and clear. I sent all these so that you can see how clear it is and have supporting verses that will help build your faith.
I like how this guy swaps the definitions for the words "predestination" and "foreknowledge". Foreknowledge does not mean "to know ahead of time what will happen". As a software engineer, engaged in the task of creating complex systems, when I set out on a new project, I have foreknowledge of my intended outcome. I know that I expect to do this, and that, and thus-n-such, and in the end, I should end up with "System X" that looks and behaves just as I planned it. Foreknowledge is the plan, or the vision or the specification that I have created up front to describe the system I am going to create, and it is used as a guide along the way to ensure that the system I *intended* is the system I *get*. THAT is foreknowledge. This guy has weirdly swapped "foreknowledge" for "predesitnation" at about the 15 minute mark. I will have to continue to see how he ends up straightening this up. Crossdressing "predestination" in "foreknowledge's" clothes is going to make for some interesting twists. Saying that we are "predestining" things when we make choices about where we will go, or what time we will do something, or (as in my case, building a complex software system) leaves out a big portion of the word "predestination" - namely "destiny". Predestination is a declaration of the ultimate end of a thing, not of a bunch of steps along it's way to that end. So, we are off into the rest of the video with a broken definition of "predestination"... so far, anyway. In case you are not seeing it yet, this is a MAJOR flaw. This is a showstopper. Conflating these two words (if that is what he's doing, we'll have to wait and see) will inevitably result in chaos. Let's see if he can fix this.
Robert Zeurunkl great analogy! as a former film student, I view it in a different way, but basically the same concept. God the Father, in eternal past as the screenwriter, wrote the script to our world and predestined everything, which is what a script is, then Jesus, the Son of God, as the producer of this "film" then paid with His blood and death to fulfill the payment necessary to finish the "film" which was already in production and small payments where being done throughout time but only to foreshadow when Jesus was going to pay in full for eternity the cost of this production, meanwhile, from the beginning of time, the Holy Spirit, the director of this "film" has been maneuvering all the pieces and putting them in their rightful place through the foreknowledge that He has from the script written by the Father, to fulfill the predestined events of the script. Meanwhile, the Godhead has casted Himself as the main character of this Film and we are all the supporting cast and He's destined to win the greatest Oscar of all time for greatest original screenplay ever made, greatest original production ever made, greatest director ever, and greatest actor ever. For He is the king of Glory and His name will be forever glorified! I know my analogy is a little choppy, but it's basically the same premise of what we find in scripture.
@Robert zeurunki I agree it is definitely not based on time or a timeframe but before the foundation of the world. Time has no effect in his plans,HE predetermined and ordained everything not within some timeframe but within his will and sovereignty. Mathew 11:26 “Even so father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
This man is a brother and knows Jesus is the savior, but I would say that if you think that you came to Jesus of your own will and good sense and don’t acknowledge that you were saved by the will of God, you’re holding out a work or something you performed for your salvation. That’s why this doctrine of predestination and grace is so critical. Prayers for all brothers. John 1:12-13 (ESV) 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
"All my Father has given me will come to me" ... "no one can come to me unless my Father draws them" ... can you explain how your logic fits in with these simple statements.
All the Jones that came to Jesús is because the listened the father, how? From scripture!!! How ? From John the Baptist!!!! The ones that didn't accept jesus as the messiah, accepted the oral law and traditions from their teachers!!!!
Exactly....also this verse Ac 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
@@giaarmany7329 Bingo. I was gonna say the same thing. I'll add the verse Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:45b Believers I'm the Father!😀
Brother this video made my day maybe even my year!! This is my first video I’ve seen from you and I’m definitely subscribing. Thank you so much for this video and God bless you!🙏🏻❣️✝️
Your exegesis is compelling and provokes me to further study and investigate. As for now, I've always taken a non-Calvinist view of scripture but I also embraced one the other explanations of predestination you dispelled as well. I lean now towards this fresher approach to the subject. Again, great job in making a very biblical case for a correct interpretation of such a polarizing subject within Christian theology.
The rapture is a false doctrine created by the Jesuits. Christians have been persecuted by the millions by Rome since Christ left. You are not flying off anywhere. " Ye are partakers in Christ suffering. " 1 Peter 4:13
@@jordanlindo9703 the pre tribulation rapture is false. But the rapture is completely real. after tribulation and before the day of Wrath when the sun goes dark and the moon turns blood red, we get caught up into the clouds and meet christ in the sky.
@@beckyshock3099 romans 9 10 and 11 are all talking about God using israel and positioning them so He can bring the messiah. Nothing surrounding the "clay asking the potter, why have you made me this way", and nothing surrounding "god designing vessels for wrath"- nothing about those verse has anything to do with death salvation heaven hell or eternity. That's just brainwashing that Calvinists have twisted to fit their other lies.
Very well said! Predestination is not just about salvation but to the full extent of God’s Eternal Purpose centered in Christ and expressed in a people, nation, Promise, tabernacle, temple, heavenly city, sonship, church and the bride.
I thought that Calvinists laid out pods in which creatures that look like us but are Calvinists grow to full size and replace us while we sleep. A completely new perspective.
Thank you for your hilarious comment. I spent many years trying to decide between free will, and predestination. I have definitely ruled out Calvinism and that came about when I experienced the ill nature of many of it's adherents. There is just a feeling of a killer instinct that seems to pervade the followers of that doctrine. And if you look at the history of Calvinism, you'll see that they have felt quite comfortable killing Jews, and non believers, and even each other. Of course they don't believe in the gifts of the Spirit either, but I know they are still in operation though only when God wishes their use. It seems to be a loveless religion, and if God sends millions to hell without any chance of salvation then I would call Him a loveless God. My God, the God of the Bible is love among other things.
@@tsapp2831 what do you mean "so you are sold our to Johnny"? John Calvin? Listen, Joe Schmo sees the divinity of Christ in the Bible, and then teaches it. Does that make Joe Schmo the originator of that Biblical truth? NO. Dont shoot the messenger of the truths of predestination unto salvation and reprobation, John Calvin (and many more before him).... Face it. The Bible plainly and undeniably teaches these doctrines!!! Deal with it.
Ephesians 1:5 is telling the saints what God has done to them. Ephesians 1:3 .... who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing.... Not talking to lost people, not talking about a future event for saints.
This is one of the most important teachings I have ever heard, it has totally freed me of the tentacles of Calvinism. I know that others out there have been affected in their Christian walk by Calvinism, like I have been. I knew it was taking a toll on my walk with the Lord. It causes doubts, steals the joy of your salvation and stunts spiritual growth, it shames you because you know it is so wrong, and so ugly, but you can't figure out how to defend against it. I came to the conclusion that it would be better to become an atheist than to believe that the god of Calvinism was real. Until I watched this, I did not realize that I had done exactly what Pastor Kevin had said someone would do if they argued with a Calvinist using their presuppositions (around 7:00 min.) I am eternally grateful for your precision insight Pastor Kevin. I am now going through is video taking detailed notes, I am going to learn this info and memorize the Word so that I can defend what I believe with confidence and assurance. I'm tired of being pummeled with Gnostic philosophy and not having an answer to it. More than that, the JOY, utter JOY in my salvation that I have been experiencing since finding this info has been wonderful! Praise be to God our Father for his faithfulness!!!!
I felt exactly the same way, and it is 5 years since this video was made. It surely did age well! I was greatly blessed by this teaching, it made me really happy about what it means to be a child of God❤
@@kjvacp If you call TULIP A pentagram, that is one of the most blasphemous comments I've ever heard from anyone About biblical doctrine,including satanists.
@@jtwestful Please elaborate. Tell me what is Gnostic about my belief. And what is the doctrine? and what belief do you perceive I have.? And is this the Scripture in the Word you believe in Psalm 65 perhaps? "Blessed is the man that Thou chooses, and causes to approach into Thee." Can you say amen to this Scripture in the Word?
Amen, Brother Kevin~!!! You are absolutely spot on, and it's as clear as the nose on Your face, to me~! I don't understand how anyone can refute the evidence in Scripture~? When God said knowledge will increase, He meant man's knowledge will increase, and thats worth nothing compared to our Omniscient and Sovereign King~!!!!!!!
Having been a believer for many years, what you are preaching is exactly what the Spirit of God has led me to believe. I Just thank God that others can discern scripture with scripture and come to the same answer. That problem is, many of those that believe they were chosen by God to be saved, have never really believed that His blood sacrifice covers us from all sin, and they are trusting in the fact they were chosen and are not saved. And then, they are leading other people to believe the same thing instead of the gospel, First Corinthians 15:1-4' Galatians 1:7-9 Paul said if we preach any other gospel we will be accursed. What do most of the so called Christians in our apostate churches believe. Every false doctrine. That we are saved by how we live and what we do, our works. Most are Matthew 7:21-23 people who have listened to Matthew 7:15-20 preachers. They misunderstand that passage also. It is the false teachers that are preaching false doctrines that are preaching bad fruit. It is not the fruit of believers. What do they preach? That if you keep the law and do good works you will be saved. They totally leave out the only way to be saved by Faith in Christ alone. Romans 11:6. They are the enemies of the cross. They all believe in one way or another that Christ died in vain. They are not saved. The preaching of the cross is foolishness to them who do not believe.
R C Sproul said in one of his videos before he died, that he did not believe Jesus said John 3:16. He said it is in the bible in red letters, but he believed John said it and not Jesus. The reason he could not believe it is because of his Calvinist belief that God could not possible love everybody, and want everybody to be saved. And, what you say is true. Both Calvinist and Arminians believe the same thing. The true gospel of salvation by grace through faith is preached, but then is refuted by their own belief system. They can not believe that all we have to do to be saved for ever is to receive the free gift of salvation by faith alone. Romans 3:28, Romans 6:23, Ephesians 2:8-9, and Ephesians 1:13. And one of my all time favorite verses, Second Timothy 2:19. That and First John 5:13. If we add works, or law to grace it is not longer grace. Romans 11:6. Should we live a holy life? Yes, but that has nothing to do with salvation, I received the free gift of salvation over 70 years ago, and I am just as saved now as I was then. Not by what I do or do not do, but because His blood sacrifice covers me from all sin. And we all still sin. First John 1:8, because we are not made perfect in the flesh. If Jesus had not died for all our sins, no one could be saved. But He did. First John 2:2. And, Second Timothy 2:4. God wants everyone to believe and be saved. Satan wants to deceive everyone to never come to the knowledge of the truth.
8:00 Whoa whoa whoa. Up until then you were going so well, then suddenly you're flinging all kinds of accusations against people you've never even met, assigning them all sorts thoughts and motives that you've just "made up". Suddenly, they are all "smugly superior", enlightened, illuminated, entitled..... WHAT? Dude, pull back on the accusations. Why don't you ask THEM why and what they believe. Do any of them leave the room knowing that you think this about them?
Robert Zeurunkl my friend...it is not that far off. Sure, we got many good people who are persuaded by these things, but it leads to things tendencies indeed.
10/10 will create a class based on this and this will be taught. I thought I had a good handle on the subject. But those presups got me again. Great job. (My "old" view is that both Calvinism and Arminianism are correct in what they assert, and wrong in what they deny.)
There's a lot of hair-splitting that needs to be done. Most people define "free will" as "the freedom to make choices". When most people hear Calvinists say there is no free will, you assume they are saying there is no freedom of choice. That is not what they are saying.
Very Good. Interestingly, in my seminary, we were required to take "Biblical Interpretation" prior to any other Bible Courses. Very helpful indeed. (And I do agree with your eschatology!)
I just watched this video again. Good information. It will be a fascinating day when we see all Calvinists crossing the bridge on this matter. It could be that some of the eschatology passed down for centuries and centuries, might be hindering them. I'm sure though, after some study it will all start making more sense. I pray God's love and guidance for all of them. Its sad to see them groping without attaining .
Thus says The Lord: By My prophets have I made My plans known. Yet that which I am about to do is done already, and shall be. And that which I have spoken from the beginning, even to this day, is true. For the will of God can not be broken, even as The Scriptures. And if My every word is Scripture, then how shall even one word fail? Yet My people fall away, and My little flock grows smaller still. For they seek to loosen these bonds in an attempt to flee this bundle. For the Way of The Lord is not known among them, and My words have ceased from being a blessing. And so they flee back into the world in an attempt to escape, as in all times past, for they have no root. Yet I tell you the truth, none shall escape their bundle. For all bundles lie in the field already, each one tied securely and set in its place. Therefore as one attempts to flee this bundle, the truth of the matter is made plain. For they have not departed at all, but remain in the bundle in which I had placed them at the first. I AM THE LORD. Beloved ones, I search the hearts and minds, even the innermost thoughts I know; even from the foundation of the world did I know each one of you, setting you in your place from the beginning. Yet some will say, “What of free will and our right to choose?” To these I say: You have chosen, and the will of your heart has spoken, and thus were you bundled and prepared. For I know My own. Thus the Bride is chosen; My blood runs through her veins, My image is shown upon her face... Behold, the light of My coming is reflected In her eyes, for I have captured her gaze, And she will by no means look away Or seek after another... Therefore some are plucked from The world already, and shall also be taken; They shall surely be gone from this place!... Says The Lord. Source: trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=The_Harvest_Is_Separated%2C_All_Bundles_Set_in_Their_Places
The Holy Spirit is in us: 1 Cor 2:11-12 .....no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. Instructing, leading and comforting us: 1 John 2:24-27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. Filling & convicting us: Eph 5:18-21 but be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, submitting to one another in the fear of God. And why is this, and how can we know that this applies to us?: Gal 4:1-7 Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father. Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. We are adopted sons and daughters who run to our father in heaven, both in good and bad times. Our assurance is grounded in this, not in our ever changing moods. Its a promise witnessed by the Spirit: Eph 1:13,14 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
You guys can argue all you want. All I know is I was a non-believer until March 1, 2017 when God came personally into my life and saved me. I now know without a shadow of a doubt, that God does indeed exist, and I will do what I can to serve him. How or why God does this, I don't have any clue. Why God would save me, I have no clue. What is in store for me now when I die, I have no clue...but what I do have a clue of, is the existence of God. He personally made a believer out of a non-believer in a matter of seconds. †
This is a fideistic and experiential appeal to support a preconceived idea. Testimonial data certainly has appeal for persuasion of some people; however, there is no way to validate its accuracy or authenticity. Emotional appeal (some would say manipulation) is the means by which people are persuaded by anecdotal evidence. Especially that which cannot be corroborated, which is very different from the “many infallible proofs” that Luke mentions to Theophilus. Furthermore, drawing a conclusion from one account would be inductive reasoning, which is the opposite of the inductive method. This type of persuasion is epistemologically unsound, and will ultimately bear ephemeral fruit.
@@KevinThompson1611 I'm not trying to 'persuade' anyone to anything, what's wrong with you? Just stating what happened to me. Believe what I say or not, it doesn't matter to me.
this is great. I love the sarcasm too because really, when you are dealing with many calvinists, you are dealing with a cult. the cult of Calvinism. it's true. many of them are bigger on Calvinism than Jesus. they want to convert people to Calvinism, even above Christianity. not all but many. anyway great video.
@@dpastor6631 If u were fully committed to the Gospel u wouldn't be a Calvinist. There is no Biblical Gospel in Calvinism. The only good news is election meaning that the gospel in Calvinism is actually the gospel of election not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Thank you brother. Your videos are saturated with doctrine! It's always a learning and sharpening experience. May the Lord bless you and enable you to continue your ministry.
In Ephesians 1:3-12 Paul is referring to Jews (we/us "who were the first to hope in Christ"). In Romans 8 Paul is referring to Jews (those who were once under the law but are now now under grace). Jews are the elect, they are the chosen, they are the ones who were presestined. We Gentiles (Ephesians 1:13) are "included", (or, as Paul says in Romans 11, we're "grafted in") after having believed, and are then sealed in Christ! It's simple when you read the scripture for what it says. It changes everything!
Definition of Predestination - 15:26
4 Verses in Rm 8, Eph 1- 17:07
Definition of adoption - 18:06
The saved are waiting for adoption - 18:25, 30:20
Heirs - 23:57
Ephesians 1:5 - 24:35
Ephesians 1: 11 - 25:17
Romans 8: 29-30 - 27:43
Questions to ask - 38:40
Quick Recap - 39:07
Thank you!
You're a saint. Thank you!!
I’d be keen on your take where Calvinist’s use exodus and hardening pharaohs heart as evidence God can decree according to His arbitrary will, how a person responds to Him..
Personally I’ve always viewed this passage as God foreknowing Pharoahs ultimate response and the hardening just speeds up the process of what would have happened anyway
One thing i disagree in the video, is the interpretation of Gods foreknowledge, the passage you cite is not about God knowing who would be saved or not saved but that God ‘knows’ us, in the sense of relationship once we are saved.. it is not talking about his foreknowledge of our response, which is part of His omniscience and this is not even voluntarily limited
@@troygeri5965 I hope this video helps with the view on the hardening of Pharaoh's heart
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So helpful! Thank you!
Oh come on Kevin! It can’t be that simple now can it!? Oh wait... it can. The Bible is simple. I heard someone once say” the Bible is so simple that you need someone to help you misunderstand it” . God bless brother. Great job with another sound teaching !
The gospel is SO simple a child can understand it. Lol
My son at 6 years old prayed the sinners prayer (wait, can that work???), and has been walking with Him ever since....he's 32.
"The Bible is so simple that you need someone to help you misunderstand it"
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@@shredhed572 i did as early as 4 with my mother leading me, i did again at 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 after my mom told me I can go to heaven if I'll die because Jesus sacrifice himself and pay my sin debt and he'll take with Him, i did it myself ALONE at age 10 February 22, 2002, 4 pm. Now im 29.
If you needed someone to help yoy REALLY misunderstand the Bible..surely that guy's got to be...John Calvin....
@@paulluce2557 funny but not funny... We were attending a church that was switching over to calvanist but denied it for 3 years. My 15 year old knows her Bible well and everytime she would quote the Bible she was countered with well John macarthur said, or John Calvin said, or a favorite was who did you listen to teach you that... The Bible was never enough for them
I've been so depressed about all of this! You have no idea ! God used you tonite to save my life. Thank you. God Bless and Praise God
Monique, I became very depressed when I first encountered Calvinism 25 years ago in a church I visited in a new town. Our church recently split over this theology when two of our staff members decided they believed in Calvinism and started trying to secretly convert our church. One of the teenagers in our youth ministry was practically suicidal thinking he may not be one of the elect. I'm so glad you found this video and it helped you so much. I understand completely!
@@karidentinparadise5272 Thank you for sharing. Hope and pray that boy is doing better. That other commenter has some real real anger issues and his choices of movies and music other stuff he has on his site makes me wonder maybe we should pray for him.
Wow. I am so sorry. That sounds a lot like what happened to me. No wonder they have to introduce Calvinism after a person trusts in Christ. Otherwise they would be freaked out and depressed like I was! I'm sorry other people went through the same thing, it's really horrible. At the same time it's reassuring to know that you're not alone! We need to pray for God to open the eyes of Calvinists. I'm so grateful to God that we know the truth now. God bless u ladies
BRILLIANT TALK SIR MY GOODNESS!!!! I believe you have it!!! Ive been studying this topic non stop for 3 months.. and on and off for 15 years. This is by far the best explanation form anyone i have heard 👍👍👍. My goodness. ... Its the only one ive heard that doesn’t contradict scripture.
@39:00 ……. He leaves out a very very very very important #4 question. HOW does a person BECOME predestinated by God for the wonderful things these Scriptures tell us BELIEVERS Are predestinated for???? WHERE do we get the faith to believe? We are dead in our sin. The DEAD can’t do anything. So how does this process get started?
@@marialamb6781 I doubt he’s denying God draws people to himself. But you are dropping a lot of Calvinist definitions behinds your specific words. For example “the dead cant do anything “…… This gives you away as a Calvinist (because that’s how they define dead)…But does scripture define dead that way?? To me it appears not even close. Dead in the bible means separated from god because of sin (adam being an example). It means having the penalty of sin on you (again adam). The biblical definition of words should be 1. the bible. 2. The jewish context of the authors (i.e the old testament and the ancient near east worldview)….
does old testament define dead as “cant do anything?”…. Do a word study of every occurrence. Its not even close to that. It means separated from god because of sin. It means out of relationship…. Dead is a powerful ancient metaphor for out of relationship … Like you saying to your abusive ex “you are dead to me”. it keans tou have cut them off and walked away from relationship. It’s va metaphor… Your not saying “You ca do nothing “…. thats a mordern hyper literal interpretation if the phrase….
Heres a bible example. What does the Father say of the Prodigal son? “He was dead and now he’s alive”….We can see this is the exact same usage. A the jewish people of the day understood this usage exactly. The sin of the son had broken his relationship to the father.
Whats the advise to these “dead people “. …. also the same as the prodigal son. Repent and turn back to God (not “since you are dead and can do nothing im going to irresistibly draw you). He just says “repent” (which is clearly something the dead person does not god. Can a dead person repent without god? Clearly not but hasn’t the Holy Spirit gone put into the world to convict of sin righteousness and the Judgement to come. Isn’t Jesus the light that came into the world to enlighten every man? (and the lamb of god offered for the sins of the world and not the elect alone)…. etc… Dozens of references. The universal act of reconciliation is offered to all men through the Gospel. Its the constant repeated message of the bible. So he does “draw all men to himself”…. Just not all accept it. Can a dead person do nothing? Mostly no. They cant die for the sons of the whole world and pay for their own sins, they cant open their blind eyes they cant soften their hard hearts etc, they can only receive the gospel when it’s delivered to them. That is literally what faith means (in the biblical sense). Trust in the great work done by another. It is the unwork, the opposite of works (that is at least how Paul defines it).
Its the opposite of working its what one does who’s helpless to procure their own salvation. Trust in god. Its not a work leading to righteousness. Its the act of the helpless and God choose to impute it as righteousness for those whole believe in Christ (at least thats how Paul puts it in Romans). The entire calvinist/ armenian debate which is really just the Augustinian Pelagian debate. is contingent on misdefining certain words (for example Pelagius was the one to break away from Pauls emphasis as faith as a non work and not worthy of wages… and the imputation of righteousness was by Gods grace not by the inherit merit of faith). We we’ve been struggling with that false definition ever since instead of simply reading the book of romans and just believing it. Perhaps the message is just too outrageous. Perhaps our not yet fully regenerate minds struggle to even grasp it (as
Luther said he has to reconvince himself of the Gospel everyday).
@@marialamb6781 If I argued that I can tell that you are not dead on the basis that you were able to type out a reply to this video, you would most likely reply with "duh". And I would look silly. Why? Becuase the dead can't think for themselves nor type out a reply, can they? Everyone knows this is obvious as the evidence clearly indicates you are very much alive. Also, it would be a rather simplistic argument to make.
But in making this argument I would in fact prove something very profound which the scriptrues plainly declare... A fact that you have overlooked with the argument you presented. You see, I can safely conclude that you are very much capable of "doing" something of your own volition by exercising the members of your physical body that God has given you. Why is this important? Because you are conflating two very different states of man as the same.
You are conflating being spiritually dead with being physically or consciously dead. You are correct, as far as that in our unregenerated (not born again) state we are spiritually dead. But you are gravely mistaken to assume that that fact renders our physically alive bodies, that God breathed life into, worthless or incapacitated. You are currently very much alive physically, consciously, mentally, emotionally, etc. You have eyes, ears, a mind and a heart to see, hear, process and respond to the gospel. You can do a great many things in this body including rejecting or accepting the Gospel.
This is why God calls upon all men everywhere to repent. To turn to Him in faith. To make a conscious decision to trust in Him to the saving of their soul. To call on Him in faith, because it all begins and ends with faith. It all hinges upon faith. What must you do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ! Confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead and thou shalt be saved. For all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
And God has given us the faculties to do this. Spiritually dead, yes; physically dead, no. Ultimately, this is why we are without excuse: our conscience bears us witness. Why? Again, because God has given us the "physical" means to respond to the Gospel call. And we will be held accountable for the choice we did or didn't make in this life.
Thank you so much for this teaching-I recently left the Catholic Church and am sorting through Protestant teachings-I almost got sucked into Calvinism but something (or Someone) was leading me away. Your video confirmed to always look to scripture to interpret scripture. :)
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Brother, I can't thank you enough for this. You have articulated what I could not. Ever since being saved I have sternly refuted Calvinism and knew in my spirit it was fundamentally flawed but I did not have the knowledge that you have presented here. Thank you!
Yes! This is exactly how I have felt regarding Calvinism. I immediately rejected it and knew in my spirit that it wasn't right. Thank you so much for breaking it down this way. 💗
Excellent explanation. I have been a born again Christian for 40 years. & have pondered over this question ! Thank you for sharing the meaning of this scripture you made my day ✝️❤️👍🙋♂️⭐️😀
You, sir, shed a flood light on my heart and mind! God bless you because I am surrounded by Calvinists.
Me too.
Its closest thing to hell with the mind and word games. Check mate me at every thing I say.
Its horrible.
Cant get out, its like Hotel California.
@@beautifulbuds Curious, why 'can't get out'? Are there no non-Calvinist options around you?
When I became a Christian at the age of 12 yrs.old I don't know anything about predestination nor I know Calvinism doctrine. I simply believed the word of God and that Jesus Christ died for me and rose again. I accepted Jesus Christ and committed my life to Him and I thanked God everyday that whenever I prayed, God sees Jesus Christ in me and not my sins for Jesus Christ righteousness was imputed in me and now I can come to God in pray and worship Him thru Jesus Christ my Lord and my Saviour. Not of my works but by Holy Spirit who opened my eyes and gave the faith and now I have eternal life. There are many ppl who doesn't know how read but when the gospel is presented to them and in God's grace made them understand and simply believed that Jesus is the only way ,they don't need to study further about predestination. It's so hard to comprehend, we believers shared the gospel about Jesus, His death on the cross, He is risen, He will come back again for us. And in the meantime we should all be living a righteous life for Him, and commit to Him our ways everyday for He is worthy to received all the praises and Glory for Jesus is our Lord and Savior.
Sorry. Predestination is boldly taught in the 1ST chapter of Ephesians!!!! The Ephesians were not scholars. It is not difficult to understand. It requires grace and mercy to receive and embrace, however.
R L yes, predestined of what a Christian is destined to and what they are to do as godly people in a dark world. It’s not taking strictly about salvation
@@Rbl7132 predestined to the adoption.
Rom 8:23 ....adoption. To wit, the redemption of the body.
This is not salvation. Lol
@@shredhed572 nice try protecting your fleshly pride by denying the truth...
Presdesination unto salvation is personal. God, before all creation chose all of those he would graciously have mercy upon and save and secured their salvation. GLORY TO GOD!
Amen. I believe the same as you
One of my favorite things he said, "nothing can prevent you from getting there!" Whoo hoo!
This is what I've always been taught about predestination, thank God! This is what fills every day with joy and hope!
I think I’m getting it, but may have to watch this two or three times to really comprehend what you are saying. The idea that, “predestinate,“ is referring to those already saved is quite compelling. Thank you for your service, (I was an armored cav combat medic in Vietnam). BTW, I was also a student/instructor/missionary of gnostic anthropology for 20 years… trust me, when I got right with God, the Lord took the, “gnosis,“ out of the boy. God bless you Pastor… this is a brilliant, and well produced, video.
Yes, predestination occurs when we believe the gospel. Both predestination and election are linked to a believer being "in Messiah," not before.
GLORY TO GOD!!!!!! I feel like a trapped 1800s army scout fighting off an army of Indians, and you just handed me a modern army issue M4 with a stockpile of amo!
I am meeting my pastor next week, who I just discovered is calvinist, to confront him on it. I am so glad I found this video of yours. I've watched you for a long time Kevin, but this one is exactly what I needed right now. Thank you... Glory to God.
I speak this language! Glad you found it.
@@KevinThompson1611army guy😂
Kindly update us... how did your conversation go with your Pastor? And are you still attending this church?
When looking at a bible verse it is always good to look at what came before that verse and then what came after that verse, to grab the context.
To take this thought a step farther, study the text, the context and the greater text.
You are exactly right. Jumping to conclusions has caused this anarchy of religious division and denominations..
@@dingbat4596 Thanks for the encouragement. You don't sound like a dingbat to me.
Indeed.
Praising God for goodness and mercy in all His plans! This message greatly clarifies and simplifies predestination.
Pondering this as s a believer who holds to Christ having fulfilled all Scripture, I can see those verses specifically speaking to the elect of the first century. They were awaiting a corporate resurrection and adoption if they endured the great tribulation.
Today, we pass from this life into the presence of the Lord.
Either way, our Father is amazing and all that He predestined will come to pass!
Thank you so much for these messages! ❤
By reading the comments below, I believe this has helped quite a few people who were troubled by this very troublesome and pernicious teaching called Calvinism. Thank you for making this presentation.
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This is by far the best analysis of predeterminer that I have seen.
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Thank you for your videos i was a Calvinist i have since changed my view but you have been helpful as to the doctrines showing the truth a what the bible teaches my family still are Calvinist but i will try to get them to watch you videos cheers
How refreshing to see calm, order, honest hermaneutics and purely Scripture brought to bear on this subject - without contamination by suppositions, tradition, prejudice. May the Lord grant you long life, sound mind and body, spiritual protection in the battle for truth. I'm down here in the middle of Brazil, serving the Lord, and this resource will help me understand these issues for myself and in teaching others. Couldn't agree more.
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Bro, we will need you in this fight to help calvinists see honestly. Use your past as a testimony to help those deceived by this man made calvinistic philosophy. But as for Yeo, ignore that one. Just pray for him/her.
Absolutely devastatingly fantastic! Praise Jesus! May God bless you and the ministry He has given you abundantly!
Lord please forgive me for my past Calvinism
WOW! Finally a lesson on this topic that is Biblically based. So, so, many lessons by these stuffed shirts that try to make us believe God chose us and we do not get to choose. I point back to John 3:16. ... loved the “world” ... that “whosoever believeth”... That’s “everybody” gets a chance to believe. Just because God is all knowing only means God knows, not that He chose. Woo, that kinda rhymes. Thank you so much for this devinely inspired lesson. I am going to create a shorter version and use it in future teachings. Blessings to all!
The Consistent Calvinist answers the question “If God knows that *by creating you* , you will end up in hell, then how is God not determined you to end up in hell *by creating you?* “
Omniscience + Creation = Predestination… ruclips.net/video/UX-FFNr3Xhg/видео.html
Daaaaaaaaang, Good teaching brother ! Wow, I am hoping you’ll write books as well 😁🙏👏
Me too... This guy is really deep in his thinking...
The word is ORDAINED. KJV is heretical when it comes to correct Transliteration. But it is great version for accuracy of transcription.
You must be in Christ's hands to enter His hierarchical ministry positions. Ordained teacher is not your first position as a new Christian. But brand new Calvinist is predestined to teach others about calvinism
Thank you, thank you!! This is so important for us to understand when we are spreading the Gospel to unbelievers. You have taken a great off my heart, and removed on- coming resentment.
EXCELLENT!! TY! Even though I know who I am in Christ, I still cringe when I read those scriptures. Not any more. Hallelujah!
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BINGO!... Got it now. Thank you. And thank you for your service to our country. I did my 20 in the navy. I never believed the false Calvinist theory ever since I got saved. Because the Bible is very clear, that God is not willing that anyone should perish but repent (Change of mind, to turn, believe) confess and believe what Jesus did for us. John chapter 3, Romans chapter 10 is so clear... the Bible, from front to back is very, very clear. Maranatha
Praise God, when people ask me if I am any kind of "ist" or believe in any kind of "ism", I tell them I am a Biblicist and I believe what Scripture says. If my beliefs are wrong, you must show me using Scripture and using it in it's proper context. I have never heard this view presented before and now after analyzing scripture, I can't say you made an error in any of your teachings. Thank you very much! The only thing I know for sure is that I am Born Again and will receive my inheritance by Grace through Faith.
There is no Gospel in calvinism, the so called "elect" were never in danger of anything and never had anything to be saved from, the so called "non-elect" in calvinism never had any hope and never will, in calvinism the "elect" don't need a savior and the "non-elect" don't have one, in calvinism there is no hope, there is no Gospel, there is no savior, there are only the "elect" and "non-elect". Pure Heresy
@@StandForTruth205 Im not even a Calvinist and know that what you said in no way represents what calvinists actually believe.
@@MansterBear That's what they say but that's exatly what Calvinism is if you take Calvinism doctrines to their logical end, Timothy Wayne is not even taking these toughts to an absurd extreme, it's just the logical end of Calvinism.
@@nilsix2371 There is a savior in Calvinism. That's how we are saved. The gospel is that Jesus came to save all those who would repent and put their trust in him. That doesn't change if youre a Calvinist or non Calvinist.
Calvinists believe that what the bible says is true. That before God regenerates a person, takes their heart of stone and gives them a heart of flesh, our default, sinful position is:
deceitful and wicked (Jer. 17:9)
full of evil (Mark 7:21-23)
loves darkness rather than light and does evil (John 3:19)
does not seek for God nor does any good (Rom. 3:10-12)
is ungodly (Rom. 5:6)
dead in his sins (Eph. 2:1)
by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3)
cannot accept or understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14)
a slave of sin (Rom. 6:16-20)
Non Calvinists say "but we can still accept salvation" in direct violation to "does not seek for God nor do any good, CANNOT accept or understand spiritual things".
Calvinists simply believe that all of that is true. If we can't accept something spiritual in our default, fallen state, then how can we accept salvation which is 100% spiritual? Can a dead man choose to live? Can a slave choose to be free? Is someone who does not seek for God and does not do ANY good, able to do the good act of repenting and trusting Jesus?
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deceitful and wicked (Jer. 17:9)
full of evil (Mark 7:21-23)
loves darkness rather than light and does evil (John 3:19)
does not seek for God nor does any good (Rom. 3:10-12)
is ungodly (Rom. 5:6)
dead in his sins (Eph. 2:1)
by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3)
cannot accept or understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14)
a slave of sin (Rom. 6:16-20)
Scripture. all of it TRUTH.
God sent His Son to die for sins of all mankind, to conquer death and give eternal life to all those who will trust Jesus as Savior, the only Way, the only Truth and LIFE.
Can a dead man choose to live? not a physically dead man. when you die it's too late. the offer expires when you do.
Can a slave choose to be free? there is freedom IN CHRIST no matter where and who you are. Jesus Christ can save you if you are a slave, or prisoner in jail. Freedom from power of sin, freedom from penalty of sin, and future freedom from presence of sin,
Is someone who does not seek for God and does not do ANY good, able to do the good act of repenting and trusting Jesus? You believe the gospel by hearing and by faith and by grace of God.
I may not know much. But I know what I believe and when I was in a church teaching TULIP it was not good news but a false gospel. i follow Christ not calvin. Yes God is sovereign, yes God is just. and He desires that none should perish but all come to God. but still some refuse to turn to Him because they don't believe and don't want to have their hearts changed
Tnx Kevin !...you make some great points in your exegesis /hermeneutics.Galatians 4:8-9 really are important to refute the Calvinists doctrine. And thank you for your service....i Graduated from Ill State Univ. in 1970 BS in Ed. and found myself in training as a Combat Corpsman and then Battle Surgery Tech. I am a disabled Vet and served Veterans for 26 years as a Veteran Employment Rep .Went to Graduate School. HS Science teacher.Was also a big pharma rep for years and attended bible college for a time.Was a Sunday School Teacher and Evangelism Explosion Instructor.Two years ago , I asked the Lord to show me , true and false doctrines of the the church and He has shown many truths that I had never before known. He has taught me to stay very close to the scriptures and even study the original language that the text was translated from whether it be Hebrew , Greek, or Aramaic because, many english words do not translate exactly like the original text which can have multiple meanings based on context. Keep up the good work and will see you at the marriage supper. Dana
What you call "Calvinist" doctrine is BIBLICAL DOCTRINE. You are in the business of refuting Biblical doctrine?
Your prior videos put the nail on the coffin of my reform theology of 15 years . This one buried it. Bless you Kevin . Thank you
mireliom what a blessing. Thanks so much for sharing!
Kevin Thompson thanks for this and God bless you brother.all I ever wanted was a BIBLICAL refute of Calvin ism and for a while I thought there weren't any. I am curious however on your view of those whoe names are written in the Lambs Book of Life before the foundation of the world. please do a video on it!
The rapture is a false doctrine created by the Jesuits. Christians have been persecuted by the millions by Rome since Christ left. You are not flying off anywhere. " Ye are partakers in Christ suffering. " 1 Peter 4:13
Kevin Thompson ; I’m reformed......so did you save yourself is the question........wow.......so your to say you saved yourself or had a part in that saving.....so that you could boast to God......we’ll done then sir.....no need for Jesus then if you did......
Hey Christian, It appears that you are under the false, unscriptural assumption that faith is a work. Scripture is the ONLY authority to we that believe. God's word clearly, clearly contrasts faith and works in many places. Biblically the two are not the same in any way and the only place I know of that you can get the concept that faith is a work you can perform to be owned salvation from God is from Calvinistic philosophy and not the Bible. Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (The Bible says people come to faith by hearing the Gospel and not by some mysterious secret will irresistible pre-belief regeneration). Kevin has laid out what predestination means using scripture in a clear and comprehensive manner. If you see where he is wrong scripturally, please post for all to check out. Spouting false assumptions from Calvinism and hurling the unfounded accusation that Kevin is boasting about his own works apart from God is not something that glorifies Christ. Satan is the accuser of the brethren day and night. Please do not follow his lead; let's edify or post scriptural loving correction instead. Thanks!
A Calvinist dies and finds himself at the entrance of heaven. He sees two doors. One door said, "free will", and the other door says "predestination" He goes through the door that said. "predestination". An angel appeared to him and asked what he was doing here. He explained that he saw the sign on the door and decided to enter. The angel told him that he couldn't be here because he used his free will to choose which door he was going to enter. So he left and went through the other door that said, "free will". An angel appeared and asked him what he was doing here. He said, "I had no choice".
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This is the very best video and explanation I have ever seen/ heard on the issue of predestination. God bless you brother for this video
Thank you for the clear teaching. I hate hate calvinist confusion, that is why I left the presbyterian church.
The Gospel is restored in my mind!
Thank you for your excellent explanation of the different views of predestination. It was so helpful to look at the Biblical context and cross-references. Yours was the best explanation of pre-destination I have ever come across and I'm so glad I took the time to watch this.
Thank you Kevin Thompson. And thank you again. This intellectual bondage and the thousands of thick shoulder to shoulder tomes written about it are a snare to christians worldwide esp those who do not embrace intellectualism.
Very well done. Your ability to keep Scripture in context helps us all rightly divide the Word. The graphics and text of verses help make this easily understandable. Keep up the good work! Blessings!!
Thank You!
Thank you for yor service.
A Christian and a Desert Storm Vet,
John
I very rarely comment on channels but, Kevin, you are a real blessing. Thank you for your work in the Word and bringing this exegesis to those looking for answers. God Bless you and us all. Amen!
Amen!
PRAISE THE LORD!
"Who so ever will" has always prevented me from falling for Calvinist doctrine
I love this guy. he knows the truth and loves it.
This has got me thinking and reconsidering my interpretation of predestination. Although, in 1peter 2 he says 1 Peter 1:1-2 NASB1995
[1] Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are *chosen* [2] according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
Being chosen still precedes the promise of being predestined at the end of our faith
And also in Ephesians 1:4 NASB1995
[4] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
chosen before the foundation of the world is before the predestination in vs 5
So although predestination may be different from election, we are still chosen to be predestined
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The word for "foreknew" in Romans 8 can just as easily be rendered "knew before;." the point being that the word "foreknew" is a relationship term, thus God had a relationship with them in the past. He "knew" them before the current time frame. If Paul is talking about the saints from the past that God knew before now, then it makes sense why he speaks in the past tense about their calling, justification, sanctification and glorification. So then the context is that Paul is saying all believers will be conformed to the image of Christ, even those whom God knew before now (foreknew). The guaranteed future of all believers is the same for all time periods.
Good insight.
Wow, you described my old Calvinism before 10 minutes.
"9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him" Hebrews 5:9
"34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him." Acts 10:34-35
"3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:3-4
"9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
"30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent" Acts 17:30
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And the list goes on and on and on lol.
17:46, and we finally get to scripture. Eph 1.
However, this guy says that people equate "adoption" with "the *time* people get saved." I emphasise *time* because I have a feeling it is going to be important in a moment. But, no, "adoption of children" is speaking of their ultimate end. Their ultimate *destination*. Time doesn't enter into it.
At this point, I cannot even imagine how the "time" that people get saved has anything at all to do with it, but I suspect he's gonna explain, so I will continue. He says "people" equate..., which I think he's ultimately going to lay at the charge of "Calvinists". We'll see.
In any case, he thinks this "*time* people get saved" is a crucial distinction, because he calls it a bunch of preconceived baggage (not his exact words) that people bring with them to scripture. Frankly, and personally, I've never heard anyone talk about the *time* people get saved as being a factor in "predestination" at all. This is all a completely new interpretation that I'm hearing here for the first time. So, maybe I stand to actually learn something. We'll see.
For the time being, right now, the anchor that has been set is this idea that "people equate 'adoption' with 'the time people get saved'..." Something I've never heard before in thirty years of being a Christian. Maybe he's just run into a bunch of people I've never met. I've never heard anyone claim this new doctrine of his. But it it clear that this is the stake he's setting. Let's see if it turns out to be a straw man he's building.
Robert Zeurunkl The actual aplication of the pre in the TULIP is really in synchrony with the the scriptures from Genesis and is not just a mere mention of the actual word itself but facts on everything God planned from génesis to apocalipsis.
God does not fail everyday he never loses a soul lfeom h
The video is about what predestination is actually about.
Adoption isn't our "ultimate end."
It doesn't say anything of the sort.
Just like you homing in on "time " I can nit pick the words you use too lol
Our ultimate end is ruling with Christ over the earth after the new heaven and earth come into being, by the power of God.
Adoption is the redemption of the body. Rom. 8:23
None of this is new. It's been I'm the bible for two thousand years. Lol
@39:00 ……. He leaves out a very very very important #4 question. HOW does a person BECOME predestinated by God for the wonderful things these Scriptures tell us BELIEVERS Are predestinated for???? WHERE do we get the faith to believe? We are dead in our sin. The DEAD can’t do anything. So how does this process get started?
Loved the part where you went wahoooooo.
This is a very strong video. Loved how you used scripture to explain this.
Thank you very much for your ministry. I am so much blessed through your teachings. God bless you.
Great JOB! Thank you for Serving our country Kevin! And for the teaching making clear that scripture alone is our authority and exposing the false doctrine of calvin..
The US is like Sodom & Gomorrah. It deserves destruction. It is a heretic-filled, demonic atheistic country.
I have been wrestling with this doctrine here of late. Well, I think the matter is settled and I can rest on it. I have never really understood how God can hardwire a man or woman to fail then judge them as if they had a say or if they chose to reject. Sounds totally unjust.. Thanks for the video
Joseph, God does not "hard wire" some people to believe. All have sinned and fall short. Romans 9 explains that none of us are worthy of salvation. The fact that God chooses any of us to hear and believe the gospel shows His overwhelming mercy.
Katie Marvel yes, but Calvinists say that our turning to sin and evil was our nature was always going to be our nature no matter what. But was sin in Adam before the fruit? No, it was not. God holds us in contempt over our sin (without Christ) because despite having the light, despite knowing what is true and right, we choose that which is wrong, evil, and deceptive. It is the condemnation that is in John 3. We abused the gift God has given us, which is free will in a nutshell.
Thank you! I appreciate your mind, communication skills and videos... I'm Orthodox myself but appreciating a Protestant seeing the nuance and "timing" and context as opposed to where many just mindlessly regurgitate what they've been taught... doctrines that are often based too heavily on human philosophical presupposition (and speculation) over and above the text.
As Orthodox we do hold to the "possibility" of loss of our "position" (participation) in Christ though of course - through willful going astray.
The teaching of John Cassian in the 4th cent. sums up our position (as your may well know)... a definite - non Augustinian Calvinistic - type of compatibilism.: a definite "synergism"
Inigo Montoya (to Calvinist): You keep using that word "election" and "predestination." I don't think it means what you think it means.
This is exactly the video I needed to disprove Calvinism which I've always thought is unbiblical reading (forcing) lots of strange concepts into God's Word rather than organically deriving from it. Thank you!!!
Thank you so much for this excellent teaching, this is the second time I have gone through it. Calvinist are surrounded on all sides, there is no plan B, so just go home and rethink your lives, open your Bible, and get before God.
This deserves to be utilized by anyone who teaches the Bible, and takes what they do seriously.
Brother, you have truly been a blessing to me!!! I recently transitioned out of the “Calvinistic” or “Reformed” fellowship setting because the Lord had revealed to me prior to watching your videos that it was not from him. The Lord in his mercy and kindness has used your videos to further confirm what he has spoken to me. Thanks for your obedience and for not being afraid to speak against heresy. May the Lord continue to call all of his children out of these false settings. Amen.
This is an amazing double confirmations. Thank Lord Jesus himself of differentiating the true out of the false.
Yes. The strength of this for me is context. Who are we talking to, when are we talking about it and associated frames of reference make this an excellent teaching and WAY of teaching. I will try to do the same. THanks
This is the best exegesis I have ever seen on the issue of predestination. This was a very thorough job and I was so blessed by this exposition. God bless you Beyond The Fundamentals
you are deceived if you praise this message.
@@Rbl7132 There is no deception there. If you have a superior argument, you need to show why the author is wrong on his exegesis. He is very spot on . Please point us to what the author stated that is incorrect about predestination. Can you?
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Yes.
The Bible explicitly teaches as a core doctrine "personal predestination unto salvation." Along with that The Scriptures emphatically teach that God chooses in salvation. He chooses whom He will save, and will save every one of them because the Father gave them to the Son. This doctrine is hated more than any other Biblical doctrine.
Great job Kevin. Don't think I've ever heard predestination/forknew explained quite like that but I don't see any problem with it at all. I think it's very likely to be the correct view. Man looks like a lot of work went into making this, thanks!
yeoberry -- In the first part of your statement, you try to clarify the meaning of the word "predestination", so which of the 4 passages dealing with the word itself are you specifically referring to, so we can discuss what the bible actually says about it? In the second part of your statement, does the passage containing "before the foundation of the earth" contains the word "predestination" or its derivatives? Just a reminder, the video deals specifically with the word "predestination" and its derivatives wherever they appear in the bible, the video doesn't deal with any other word!
yeoberry -- First, the word predestination doesn't mean "God's choice is the ultimate cause." But I agree with your 3rd point that predestination means "mark out beforehand." Now according to the passage you quoted, *Who* are predestined? And for *What* are they predestined?
yeoberry -- Of course God's choice is always ultimate whether or not He predestines anything. I only brought that up to avoid the slippery slope of thinking that the word "predestination" means "God's choice is always ultimate" like you wrote before. Also you actually got it right, let me quote you, "We --*believers*-- *are* *predestined* to be adopted as God's children". The believers (those who believe) are the ones predestined for adoption and not the lost for salvation. And nowhere in that passage or any other passage dealing with the specific word "predestination" defines the word as "God's original decision to save some and not others" like Augustine puts it or like most calvanists believe. I also totally agree with the 2nd part of your statement "...the ultimate choice in believers being God's children is God's." Of course God is the one ultimately choosing to make *believers* His children.
The rapture is a false doctrine created by the Jesuits. Christians have been persecuted by the millions by Rome since Christ left. You are not flying off anywhere. " Ye are partakers in Christ suffering. " 1 Peter 4:13. The Jesuits created it to undermine Protestantism. Rapture is a apart of the Jesuit Futurism doctrine. Futurism was created by Francisco Ribera S.J
Bottom line is that one must understand and admit that men are totally reprobate & incapable of understanding spiritual things let alone responding to them as a corpse dead in their sins. God has His sheep, and they hear His voice - goats do not. Predestination is God’s privilege to bestow His Grace upon anyone He chooses. This is not injustice, it is God’s prerogative. If you walk into a room with 20 people and five (5) dollar bills in your pocket, you may give any person you so choose a dollar bill. Low and behold you could have made a list of who you would give those bills to, in advance & you could have made that decision based solely... according to the purpose of your good will, having nothing to do with the individual, but instead YOUR purpose. God can do this, and it is perfectly fine - He made a list too, called the Book of Life, & He wrote in it before He laid the foundations of the world (Rev. 13:8, Rev. 17:8). This is so simple - to trust in God the eternal destiny of people rather than their selfish, reprobate, deprived, darkness loving hearts of stone. Praise God that His Grace intervenes in the lives of mankind.
Thanks Kevin, i'ts been more than a decade now and finally i found a good explanation about this topic. God bless you.
You got a TERRIBLE explanation!
Thank you and God bless you for serving our country 🇺🇸❤️
Pastor Kevin thanks for clearing the Hocus Pocus 👻 of Augustine and Calvin. This is delicious Exegesis. I’m loving it
Thank you Kevin! You actually used scripture to clarify scripture. What a novel concept!
Dear Jeff, this is not a novel concept this is the ONLY way to read and understand scriptures. The minute you step out and read other writings it will just confuse your soul.
blessings
THIS MAN OPPOSES THE GOSPEL!!! WAKE UP AND READ YOUR BIBLE!!
@@Geoffroxx I read the Bible honestly. It is plain. It is clear. It is absolute. Your gospel exists in your imagination. Your main problem is you have not been convicted of your own evil, and if the evil nature of mankind. Did you know Jesus said that man is evil? Do you know what evil is? The Devil is also evil. Does he deserve mercy? As long as you live in delusion that mankind is this precious, deserving, innocent creature who made some boo boos, you will continue to flock to false teachers to tickle your ears.
Who here is claiming that man is "innocent" and deserves mercy"? Sound like a strawman to me. Now if you have a point to make then why not use scripture and deal with this issue honestly, because to me it seems that you are the one with the tickled ears.
@UCnNVBjXPCBdMcSX-aCeROpw A person will not repent unless God grants it. Salvation is an effectual work of God that includes the preaching of the gospel that includes the command to repent. I dont understand youd point.
Hello Kevin , I just stumbled on your videos and am so pleased i did . I'm 59 years old and it's only been a couple of yrs. that I finally saw the truth concerning my eternal security ( I've been born again since 1982 ) along with various other side issues I was in error about . Keep up the with the great messages and it looks like you've got quite a number of videos to keep me busy for a while . Blessings Brother .
+JohnW
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I’ve been wrestling with these questions and confused, thought gospel was simple and clear,.
Yes it is .
A bc.
Admit you are a sinner.
Believe on christ
@@watchmanendtimes yes that’s the good news! Any other Gospel but this is not the true gospel! Calvinism is from satan
“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
“For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.”
1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”
Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
Romans 4:5 KJV
“And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
Acts 16:30-31 KJV
Don’t take the amount of scriptures sent as an indication that the Gospel is not simple and clear. I sent all these so that you can see how clear it is and have supporting verses that will help build your faith.
The Bible, simple enough for a child to understand and yet profound enough for a scholar...
Another home run! Thanks
Thank u so much for confirming my thoughts as God is not the author of confusion! Keep up the good work.
I like how this guy swaps the definitions for the words "predestination" and "foreknowledge". Foreknowledge does not mean "to know ahead of time what will happen". As a software engineer, engaged in the task of creating complex systems, when I set out on a new project, I have foreknowledge of my intended outcome. I know that I expect to do this, and that, and thus-n-such, and in the end, I should end up with "System X" that looks and behaves just as I planned it. Foreknowledge is the plan, or the vision or the specification that I have created up front to describe the system I am going to create, and it is used as a guide along the way to ensure that the system I *intended* is the system I *get*. THAT is foreknowledge.
This guy has weirdly swapped "foreknowledge" for "predesitnation" at about the 15 minute mark. I will have to continue to see how he ends up straightening this up. Crossdressing "predestination" in "foreknowledge's" clothes is going to make for some interesting twists.
Saying that we are "predestining" things when we make choices about where we will go, or what time we will do something, or (as in my case, building a complex software system) leaves out a big portion of the word "predestination" - namely "destiny".
Predestination is a declaration of the ultimate end of a thing, not of a bunch of steps along it's way to that end. So, we are off into the rest of the video with a broken definition of "predestination"... so far, anyway.
In case you are not seeing it yet, this is a MAJOR flaw. This is a showstopper. Conflating these two words (if that is what he's doing, we'll have to wait and see) will inevitably result in chaos. Let's see if he can fix this.
Robert Zeurunkl great analogy! as a former film student, I view it in a different way, but basically the same concept. God the Father, in eternal past as the screenwriter, wrote the script to our world and predestined everything, which is what a script is, then Jesus, the Son of God, as the producer of this "film" then paid with His blood and death to fulfill the payment necessary to finish the "film" which was already in production and small payments where being done throughout time but only to foreshadow when Jesus was going to pay in full for eternity the cost of this production, meanwhile, from the beginning of time, the Holy Spirit, the director of this "film" has been maneuvering all the pieces and putting them in their rightful place through the foreknowledge that He has from the script written by the Father, to fulfill the predestined events of the script. Meanwhile, the Godhead has casted Himself as the main character of this Film and we are all the supporting cast and He's destined to win the greatest Oscar of all time for greatest original screenplay ever made, greatest original production ever made, greatest director ever, and greatest actor ever. For He is the king of Glory and His name will be forever glorified! I know my analogy is a little choppy, but it's basically the same premise of what we find in scripture.
It's funny how God's plan can be understood by programmers, and by film directors, with just the same outcome. ;-)
@@Nicksby why do you say that? What makes you think he is?
@@davidschneider1566 because Cosen loves doctrine more than Jesus. So anyone who opposes doctrine is a freemason to hin.
@Robert zeurunki I agree it is definitely not based on time or a timeframe but before the foundation of the world. Time has no effect in his plans,HE predetermined and ordained everything not within some timeframe but within his will and sovereignty. Mathew 11:26 “Even so father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
This man is a brother and knows Jesus is the savior, but I would say that if you think that you came to Jesus of your own will and good sense and don’t acknowledge that you were saved by the will of God, you’re holding out a work or something you performed for your salvation. That’s why this doctrine of predestination and grace is so critical. Prayers for all brothers. John 1:12-13 (ESV) 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
"All my Father has given me will come to me" ... "no one can come to me unless my Father draws them" ... can you explain how your logic fits in with these simple statements.
Here's the video he did on John 6:44: ruclips.net/video/pPPFLp5dmAE/видео.html
All the Jones that came to Jesús is because the listened the father, how?
From scripture!!!
How ?
From John the Baptist!!!!
The ones that didn't accept jesus as the messiah, accepted the oral law and traditions from their teachers!!!!
Exactly....also this verse Ac 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
@@giaarmany7329
Bingo. I was gonna say the same thing.
I'll add the verse
Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:45b
Believers I'm the Father!😀
The sovereignty of God by A.W.Pink. recommended reading.
Garbage
Brother this video made my day maybe even my year!! This is my first video I’ve seen from you and I’m definitely subscribing. Thank you so much for this video and God bless you!🙏🏻❣️✝️
Welcome aboard. That was several years ago, and we’re still going.
@@KevinThompson1611 AWESOME!! I’m so excited to watch more bro. Finally getting untangled from years of false doctrine. Glory to God
Ahhh...God is SOOO kind and gracious...Thank You .... both
Your exegesis is compelling and provokes me to further study and investigate. As for now, I've always taken a non-Calvinist view of scripture but I also embraced one the other explanations of predestination you dispelled as well. I lean now towards this fresher approach to the subject. Again, great job in making a very biblical case for a correct interpretation of such a polarizing subject within Christian theology.
David Outing . God's salvation is not so complicated. Men make it complicated.
The rapture is a false doctrine created by the Jesuits. Christians have been persecuted by the millions by Rome since Christ left. You are not flying off anywhere. " Ye are partakers in Christ suffering. " 1 Peter 4:13
Why do people always assume there cannot be two (or more), and not just either or...........? And don't forget the potter and the clay.
@@jordanlindo9703 the pre tribulation rapture is false. But the rapture is completely real. after tribulation and before the day of Wrath when the sun goes dark and the moon turns blood red, we get caught up into the clouds and meet christ in the sky.
@@beckyshock3099 romans 9 10 and 11 are all talking about God using israel and positioning them so He can bring the messiah. Nothing surrounding the "clay asking the potter, why have you made me this way", and nothing surrounding "god designing vessels for wrath"- nothing about those verse has anything to do with death salvation heaven hell or eternity. That's just brainwashing that Calvinists have twisted to fit their other lies.
Very well said! Predestination is not just about salvation but to the full extent of God’s Eternal Purpose centered in Christ and expressed in a people, nation, Promise, tabernacle, temple, heavenly city, sonship, church and the bride.
The bible doesn't support that.
I thought that Calvinists laid out pods in which creatures that look like us but are Calvinists grow to full size and replace us while we sleep.
A completely new perspective.
I have had that same thought! LOL>
Thank you for your hilarious comment. I spent many years trying to decide between free will, and predestination. I have definitely ruled out Calvinism and that came about when I experienced the ill nature of many of it's adherents. There is just a feeling of a killer instinct that seems to pervade the followers of that doctrine. And if you look at the history of Calvinism, you'll see that they have felt quite comfortable killing Jews, and non believers, and even each other. Of course they don't believe in the gifts of the Spirit either, but I know they are still in operation though only when God wishes their use. It seems to be a loveless religion, and if God sends millions to hell without any chance of salvation then I would call Him a loveless God. My God, the God of the Bible is love among other things.
Omg! I saw you in Mike Winger's comment section! xD
@@toplobster1040 If you mean me, yes I sometimes post on his channel but it's been a few months.
@@20july1944 Yeah I remember u under his Calvism videos
I am trying to follow your thought but sometime it come's across a bit to fast. especially as there is a lot of things to considered and examine.
Man, I was going to buy a book on amazon that refutes predestination but now I dont have to. Thanks for saving me some $$.
If the books on amazon as adequately addressed the issue, I wouldn’t be doing that I’m doing. Thanks for watching. Help spread the word!
You cant refute Biblical truths like predestination! You can only deceive YOURSELF.
@@Rbl7132 your sold out to Jonny huh?
@@tsapp2831 what do you mean "so you are sold our to Johnny"? John Calvin?
Listen, Joe Schmo sees the divinity of Christ in the Bible, and then teaches it.
Does that make Joe Schmo the originator of that Biblical truth? NO.
Dont shoot the messenger of the truths of predestination unto salvation and reprobation, John Calvin (and many more before him)....
Face it.
The Bible plainly and undeniably teaches these doctrines!!!
Deal with it.
Buy the book because this guy has shredded the scriptures in order to fit his man centered theology.
Ephesians 1:4 says He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world... what exactly is your issue??
Ephesians 1:5 is telling the saints what God has done to them. Ephesians 1:3 .... who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing....
Not talking to lost people, not talking about a future event for saints.
This is one of the most important teachings I have ever heard, it has totally freed me of the tentacles of Calvinism. I know that others out there have been affected in their Christian walk by Calvinism, like I have been. I knew it was taking a toll on my walk with the Lord. It causes doubts, steals the joy of your salvation and stunts spiritual growth, it shames you because you know it is so wrong, and so ugly, but you can't figure out how to defend against it. I came to the conclusion that it would be better to become an atheist than to believe that the god of Calvinism was real. Until I watched this, I did not realize that I had done exactly what Pastor Kevin had said someone would do if they argued with a Calvinist using their presuppositions (around 7:00 min.) I am eternally grateful for your precision insight Pastor Kevin. I am now going through is video taking detailed notes, I am going to learn this info and memorize the Word so that I can defend what I believe with confidence and assurance. I'm tired of being pummeled with Gnostic philosophy and not having an answer to it. More than that, the JOY, utter JOY in my salvation that I have been experiencing since finding this info has been wonderful! Praise be to God our Father for his faithfulness!!!!
You got free from the tentacles of the gospel! Bad!
I felt exactly the same way, and it is 5 years since this video was made. It surely did age well!
I was greatly blessed by this teaching, it made me really happy about what it means to be a child of God❤
I wish I could memorise everything you just said.
Why do you want to memorize things that a false teacher says?
@@Rbl7132 we dont. We want to memorize what the Bible says. Have you fallen into the calvinist pentagram trap?
@@kjvacp If you call TULIP A pentagram, that is one of the most blasphemous comments I've ever heard from anyone About biblical doctrine,including satanists.
@@Rbl7132 go read your gnostics. We'll read from the Word. See ya.
@@jtwestful Please elaborate. Tell me what is Gnostic about my belief. And what is the doctrine? and what belief do you perceive I have.?
And is this the Scripture in the Word you believe in Psalm 65 perhaps?
"Blessed is the man that Thou chooses, and causes to approach into Thee."
Can you say amen to this Scripture in the Word?
Amen, Brother Kevin~!!! You are absolutely spot on, and it's as clear as the nose on Your face, to me~!
I don't understand how anyone can refute the evidence in Scripture~?
When God said knowledge will increase, He meant man's knowledge will increase, and thats worth nothing compared to our Omniscient and Sovereign King~!!!!!!!
yeoberry how he gave scripture
I like this video! Thanks! New to this channel, but finding it very helpful as I'm working my way out of Reformed/Calvinist theology.
This is GOLD!! Thank you.
Good job, keep it up. You're right on. We pray for you.
Having been a believer for many years, what you are preaching is exactly what the Spirit of God has led me to believe. I Just thank God that others can discern scripture with scripture and come to the same answer. That problem is, many of those that believe they were chosen by God to be saved, have never really believed that His blood sacrifice covers us from all sin, and they are trusting in the fact they were chosen and are not saved.
And then, they are leading other people to believe the same thing instead of the gospel, First Corinthians 15:1-4'
Galatians 1:7-9 Paul said if we preach any other gospel we will be accursed. What do most of the so called Christians in our apostate churches believe. Every false doctrine. That we are saved by how we live and what we do, our works. Most are Matthew 7:21-23 people who have listened to Matthew 7:15-20 preachers.
They misunderstand that passage also. It is the false teachers that are preaching false doctrines that are preaching bad fruit. It is not the fruit of believers.
What do they preach? That if you keep the law and do good works you will be saved. They totally leave out the only way to be saved by Faith in Christ alone. Romans 11:6. They are the enemies of the cross. They all believe in one way or another that Christ died in vain. They are not saved. The preaching of the cross is foolishness to them who do not believe.
R C Sproul said in one of his videos before he died, that he did not believe Jesus said John 3:16. He said it is in the bible in red letters, but he believed John said it and not Jesus. The reason he could not believe it is because of his Calvinist belief that God could not possible love everybody, and want everybody to be saved.
And, what you say is true. Both Calvinist and Arminians believe the same thing.
The true gospel of salvation by grace through faith is preached, but then is refuted by their own belief system.
They can not believe that all we have to do to be saved for ever is to receive the free gift of salvation by faith alone. Romans 3:28, Romans 6:23, Ephesians 2:8-9, and Ephesians 1:13.
And one of my all time favorite verses, Second Timothy 2:19. That and First John 5:13. If we add works, or law to grace it is not longer grace. Romans 11:6. Should we live a holy life? Yes, but that has nothing to do with salvation, I received the free gift of salvation over 70 years ago, and I am just as saved now as I was then. Not by what I do or do not do, but because His blood sacrifice covers me from all sin. And we all still sin. First John 1:8, because we are not made perfect in the flesh. If Jesus had not died for all our sins, no one could be saved. But He did. First John 2:2. And, Second Timothy 2:4. God wants everyone to believe and be saved. Satan wants to deceive everyone to never come to the knowledge of the truth.
8:00 Whoa whoa whoa. Up until then you were going so well, then suddenly you're flinging all kinds of accusations against people you've never even met, assigning them all sorts thoughts and motives that you've just "made up". Suddenly, they are all "smugly superior", enlightened, illuminated, entitled..... WHAT? Dude, pull back on the accusations. Why don't you ask THEM why and what they believe. Do any of them leave the room knowing that you think this about them?
Robert Zeurunkl my friend...it is not that far off. Sure, we got many good people who are persuaded by these things, but it leads to things tendencies indeed.
Offspring of vipers
Thank you. That was clear and helpful.
10/10 will create a class based on this and this will be taught. I thought I had a good handle on the subject. But those presups got me again.
Great job.
(My "old" view is that both Calvinism and Arminianism are correct in what they assert, and wrong in what they deny.)
Is that you Jeramy RIchard? Both Calvinism and Arminianism are wrong in what they assert.
Wrong in what they deny. Calvinism denies free will and Arminianism denies assurance of salvation.
There's a lot of hair-splitting that needs to be done. Most people define "free will" as "the freedom to make choices". When most people hear Calvinists say there is no free will, you assume they are saying there is no freedom of choice. That is not what they are saying.
Very Good.
Interestingly, in my seminary, we were required to take "Biblical Interpretation" prior to any other Bible Courses.
Very helpful indeed. (And I do agree with your eschatology!)
I just watched this video again. Good information. It will be a fascinating day when we see all Calvinists crossing the bridge on this matter. It could be that some of the eschatology passed down for centuries and centuries, might be hindering them. I'm sure though, after some study it will all start making more sense. I pray God's love and guidance for all of them. Its sad to see them groping without attaining .
Thus says The Lord: By My prophets have I made My plans known. Yet that which I am about to do is done already, and shall be. And that which I have spoken from the beginning, even to this day, is true. For the will of God can not be broken, even as The Scriptures. And if My every word is Scripture, then how shall even one word fail?
Yet My people fall away, and My little flock grows smaller still. For they seek to loosen these bonds in an attempt to flee this bundle. For the Way of The Lord is not known among them, and My words have ceased from being a blessing. And so they flee back into the world in an attempt to escape, as in all times past, for they have no root.
Yet I tell you the truth, none shall escape their bundle. For all bundles lie in the field already, each one tied securely and set in its place. Therefore as one attempts to flee this bundle, the truth of the matter is made plain. For they have not departed at all, but remain in the bundle in which I had placed them at the first. I AM THE LORD.
Beloved ones, I search the hearts and minds, even the innermost thoughts I know; even from the foundation of the world did I know each one of you, setting you in your place from the beginning. Yet some will say, “What of free will and our right to choose?” To these I say: You have chosen, and the will of your heart has spoken, and thus were you bundled and prepared. For I know My own.
Thus the Bride is chosen;
My blood runs through her veins,
My image is shown upon her face...
Behold, the light of My coming is reflected
In her eyes, for I have captured her gaze,
And she will by no means look away
Or seek after another...
Therefore some are plucked from
The world already, and shall also be taken;
They shall surely be gone from this place!...
Says The Lord.
Source: trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=The_Harvest_Is_Separated%2C_All_Bundles_Set_in_Their_Places
I'll go through it again... But I think you convinced me
God chooses, through His omniscience, to save all those who believe in Christ, all who enter the ark before the flood of God's wrath hits.
You explain our adoption so well!! Thank you!
The Holy Spirit is in us:
1 Cor 2:11-12
.....no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
Instructing, leading and comforting us:
1 John 2:24-27
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
Filling & convicting us:
Eph 5:18-21
but be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, submitting to one another in the fear of God.
And why is this, and how can we know that this applies to us?:
Gal 4:1-7
Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father. Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
We are adopted sons and daughters who run to our father in heaven, both in good and bad times.
Our assurance is grounded in this, not in our ever changing moods.
Its a promise witnessed by the Spirit:
Eph 1:13,14
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
You guys can argue all you want. All I know is I was a non-believer until March 1, 2017 when God came personally into my life and saved me. I now know without a shadow of a doubt, that God does indeed exist, and I will do what I can to serve him. How or why God does this, I don't have any clue. Why God would save me, I have no clue. What is in store for me now when I die, I have no clue...but what I do have a clue of, is the existence of God. He personally made a believer out of a non-believer in a matter of seconds. †
This is a fideistic and experiential appeal to support a preconceived idea.
Testimonial data certainly has appeal for persuasion of some people; however, there is no way to validate its accuracy or authenticity. Emotional appeal (some would say manipulation) is the means by which people are persuaded by anecdotal evidence. Especially that which cannot be corroborated, which is very different from the “many infallible proofs” that Luke mentions to Theophilus.
Furthermore, drawing a conclusion from one account would be inductive reasoning, which is the opposite of the inductive method.
This type of persuasion is epistemologically unsound, and will ultimately bear ephemeral fruit.
@@KevinThompson1611 I'm not trying to 'persuade' anyone to anything, what's wrong with you? Just stating what happened to me. Believe what I say or not, it doesn't matter to me.
@@KevinThompson1611 boy you sure got defensive with that question, didn't you?
this is great. I love the sarcasm too because really, when you are dealing with many calvinists, you are dealing with a cult. the cult of Calvinism. it's true. many of them are bigger on Calvinism than Jesus. they want to convert people to Calvinism, even above Christianity. not all but many. anyway great video.
Amen
Tyler T You lie!
Bearing false witness is entirely not the fruit of the Spirit.
Tyler T Nice way to falsely represent and slander millions of brethren who are fully committed to the Gospel of Jesus Christ...
@@Tanjaicholan No. Calvinist are the ones known for deception and church destroying not us lol.
@@dpastor6631 If u were fully committed to the Gospel u wouldn't be a Calvinist. There is no Biblical Gospel in Calvinism. The only good news is election meaning that the gospel in Calvinism is actually the gospel of election not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
This is best video ever
Thank you brother. Your videos are saturated with doctrine! It's always a learning and sharpening experience. May the Lord bless you and enable you to continue your ministry.
yeoberry the video is correct , please put down your pride
In Ephesians 1:3-12 Paul is referring to Jews (we/us "who were the first to hope in Christ"). In Romans 8 Paul is referring to Jews (those who were once under the law but are now now under grace). Jews are the elect, they are the chosen, they are the ones who were presestined. We Gentiles (Ephesians 1:13) are "included", (or, as Paul says in Romans 11, we're "grafted in") after having believed, and are then sealed in Christ! It's simple when you read the scripture for what it says. It changes everything!