This is rather inaccurate and frankly presented in a rather flippant manner. Look up The Cod Wars. This was a very serious situation. National Boundaries were being breached by foreign fishing vessels- not just Iceland but also other Nordic countries and Russia using enormous Fish Factory Vessels which strip the seas by over fishing. Opposing vessels attacked each other over fishing rights. The UK has strict fishing quotas imposed upon it which has decimated the Fishing Industry, destroyed coastal communities, driven up the price of fresh fish to the point now where many people just can't afford to buy it. Its just not funny.
I have eaten fish and chips in a pub. Surely it's one of the most traditional meals to get in a pub?? The first fish and chip shop didn't open until 1860, which is fairly recently.
Pub fish and chips is great. Yeah you go to a fish and chip shop usually but if you’re having a meal in a pub and fish and chips is an option it’s a great choice.
A lot of pub fish and chips is frozen and oven 'cooked'. They don't have the right equipment to produce proper fish or proper chips. If they did they would soon convert to 'chippies' and make far more money than they do as pubs.
As an American, you really should be concerned about the strategic aspect. Icelanders' are not interested in fish and chips. They are only interested in selling fish to Britain. The Cod wars were just as real as the Falkland's or any other war, not just a joke. If the Russian (then Soviet) Navy wanted to enter the North Atlantic, they would have just four options. Three of them were patrolled or controlled by The Royal Navy - Gibraltar, The English Channel and a narrow navigable route south of Iceland. The fourth option, The Cape is controlled by bad weather. The outcome of the Cod wars means that Iceland now has control of this route - with no navy. Incidentally, your former President's suggestion that the US should purchase Greenland was met with universal derision... Wake up America - look at the map.
Look up the GIUK Gap to see why Iceland is so important to NATO. The seas between the UK, Iceland and Greenland are relatively narrow and form a choke point between the open ocean and the ports of North Russia. It's somewhere NATO can focus its surveillance to detect Russian submarines, or block the way for Russian ships. It's also important for NATO to send its own ships through between Europe and America.
Aww a spoons fish and chips (and brewers fayre on a friday) are mildly tolerable. PS dont eat Chips out in the open at the harbour in Polperro, Cornwall, the seagulls will nick them from your hand
Here in Oceanside California they have a place called harbor fish and chips that’s 2 minute walk from the beach it’s very nice. It’s not a pub (we call it a bar) and I didnt know fish and chips was a pub thing in America but I don’t drink or hang out at places like that
What he did not tell you is that after we joined Europe in 1973 we had to sign away our fishing grounds around the British isles which are rich with fish including cod. Most of our fishing grounds are plundered by France Netherlands and Spain and our fishing industry was ruined. Even when negotiating Brexit British ministers gave way to France and others so that they could fish huge quantities around our coasts. A lot of our fishing industry was made bankrupt. Many British people are still upset about this. We are supposed to get our fishing back eventually and I suppose it remains to be seen, even though we now have Brexit.
@@manneroo Thatcher was not in power when we joined Europe in 1973. She came to power in 1979. I am pretty sure it was Ted Heath who sold us down the river.
@@manneroo Thatcher did NOT sign away our fishing industry. It was Ted Heath. Heath was a Euro fanatic and it was him that put us into the Common Market.
UK used to have the biggest fishing industry in Europe. They overfished the North sea cod stock to almost extinction. The UK fishing boats moved ever north until the Icelanders realised if they didn't stop them the shelf around Iceland would also be hoovered dry. A similar thing happened in the West Atlantic - US had vast fishing fleets and fished it almost to destruction. These days a large proportion of UK cod comes from Iceland. Today the UK fishing fleet is a lot smaller. The Icelanders make a great effort to keep their fishing sustainable. During WWII Britain had bases on Iceland to stop Nazi Germany using it. During the cold war Iceland was very important in the detection of Soviet nuclear submarines passing from Murmansk towards the US East coast.
I remember this and will never forget the British Trawler where the captain leaned out of the deck house and stuck two fingers up at the Icelandic gun boat whilst playing Land of Hope and Glory on the boat's PA system as loud as possible. It was actually shown on national TV news shows. The international maritime law is that any more than 12 miles of your coast is international waters unless internationally agreed otherwise. The trawler was a little over 20 miles off Iceland which Iceland claimed was their teritorial waters
Britain being a small island in and of itself was probably just deeply impressed by these guys sheer bloody mindedness and determination. You don't use your big sticks against the guy who has none. Respect to Iceland!....
That was surprisingly interesting, and your face at the 'cod piece' reference just cracked me up! Love listening to your thoughtful, intelligent and amusing commentary. Excellent work. Baby sheep are 'lambs' by the way and puffins probably taste awful.
I live in one of the UK communities affected by this and it basically ended the deep water fleet. The inshore fleet followed the decline over the next few decades until we are no longer a working port at all. It's really sad how a once vibrant town became ruined by the greed of a nation to virtually do a 'land-grab' for want of a better term, to ring fence a natural resource in international waters all for itself.
Me too. All the emphasis is on little old Iceland and nothing about the communities in the UK that were affected. The populations of the two main fishing ports in the UK was over twice that of Iceland at the time. My family is from and I was brought up in a town that was known as the largest fishing port in the world, that's the world, not the UK, not Europe, the world. What do we have now? A fish market were trade is fresh fish from Scotland brought in on lorries and frozen Icelandic Cod, and the area where our fishermen used to live is one of the most deprived areas in the UK. It was never about loving Cod it was always about catching it and selling it themselves.
A fascinating documentary series about fishermen off northern Scotland is called Trawlermen.. its a tough dangerous profession..utterly brilliant to learn about
maybe if you go to spoons or another chain pub where all the food is microwaved from frozen... not if you go to a good, proper, traditional pub though.
Iceland is important to NATO for a couple of reasons. If they became friendly with Russia. Russia could use ports in Iceland to disrupt shipping between Europe and American. Its position is useful to the naval and air forces of nato. As it can be used as a springboard to attack Russia by flying over the North Pole. Iceland are also part of the SOSUS system. It’s a system of underwater microphones that listen for and tracks every vessel travelling in the North Atlantic. If Iceland left, it would of created a whole in this network. Allow Russia ship and submarine to enter the North Atlantic. Without detection! 😉
Fun fact about the sheep. They sometimes stand in the middle of the road, licking it. Its some salt on the road they're after. And you've got to watch out where the mother is. If she is on the other side of the road, the baby's will run out in front of your car.
Fish and chips are amazing if you get it from a genuine chippy. Eating it in my local town gives me a bad stomach. But when we went to Scotland I had absolutely no problem eating it.
There was already some history between the UK and Iceland prior to these events. The UK landed troops on Iceland during WW2 to protect it, and prevent it being occupied by Germany. Although this was heavily protested by the Icelandic government at the time as they had always been an independant and proud people. They did not see the bigger picture, and the necessity to prevent the Axis powers using Iceland as a mid Atlantic base. So fast forward to the Cod Wars, and you see that they have missed the bigger picture again . . . namely the need to provide us Brits with the means to always have adequate supplies of fish and chips available to us!
We Called these the Cod Wars. Actually strong territorial waters and international fishing agreements are important for stock management (the russians tend to ignore them though) and should be settled by some kind of UN court. Of course the UK was in the EEC at the time (which managed EU area waters - which was another "problem") and Iceland (and Norway) was (and are) not. Should the gunboat diplomacy have happened , probably not but it was posturing by the govt more to the UK electorate than anything else.
The funniest thing about this war is that our costgard had like three ships. There were a lot of small fishingboats too. And Iceland's secret weapon was spesial scissor that were used to cut the net's of the British boats. So thei lpst the net and the fish. Had to go home, get new net's and have them cut off again.
Minor point, but one I've noticed all American vloggers miss (I'm assuming because they base their experience on visiting London as tourists) is that Fish & Chips in pubs is a minor part of the industry, most of us actually get our Fish & Chips from our local 'Chippy' which most neighbourhoods have their own, and take them home to eat. Fish and Chips in Pubs usually aren't that good (with some exceptions), I'm assuming because the Pubs have to cook all manner of other dishes, whereas the Chippy just focusses on Fish andCchips, with the odd sausage and pie thrown in. So, if you want to try the real, and much better Fish and Chips, get a Brit to take you to their local Chippy! :-)
In the end, Iceland turned out to have the moral high ground. Every coastal nation could identify with our arguments. Icelanders like Fish & Chips just as much as anyone, but this conflict was about fishing rights - The Brits (and others) had been exploiting and overfishing our traditional waters using bullying tactics. Seeing that the fishing industry was our main resource at the time, we extended our territorial limits to 12 nautical miles. The Brits did not like it and started bullying but eventually we won and the 12 NM limit became a global standard. Eventually we expanded the limit to 50NM and again the British response was more bullying and once again they lost the conflict. The final iteration was when we expanded the limit to 200NM - with a similar conflict and eventually another Icelandic win. These limits actually became global standards. These conflicts were notable in one respect: The body count! To the best of my knowledge, only one life was lost, an Icelandic Coast Guard engineer that died during repairs to damage sustained in a minor collision between an Icelandic gunboat and a British warship. This casualty cannot even be blamed on the British, trying to do electrical welding in sea-spray conditions is very unwise.
If you like lambs then visit Tan Hill (it's the highest pub in Britain and sheep often run inside and through the pub whilst people are drinking and of course eating fish and chips, truly worth a visit, you would love it.
There are Video's on You Tube showing the Ramming tactics used between Naval RN vessels and Icelandic Coast guard and Fishing vessels. Pretty dangerous stuff in those seas!
The Cod wars ruined my town’s fishing fleet the biggest fishing fleet in the world, Grimsby is a Haddock port Haddock is the best fish. Grimsby Town fans have being taking inflatable haddock’s known as Harry Haddock to football matches since the FA Cup run in 1989, currently on the third version of Harry Haddock which came in for the FA Cup run last season. Grimsby is the biggest fish processing centre in Britain with the biggest concentration of cold stores. Grimsby has the cheapest fish and chip shop in Britain.
I was in the Royal Navy in the 70's during the '2nd Cod war', we did not ram Icelandic coast guard boats they decided to ram our warships.........they came off worse, when the Icelandic 'gunboats' attacked british trawlers then the RN rammed them, we did not fire a single shot.
How does the 200 mile zone for every country work in practice? Surely there must be overlaps/conflicts somewhere? Also isn't the uninhabited isle of Rockall important to the UK for something related to this?
I worked in my local fish and chip shop in Nottingham uk when i was younger.i do remember well cod riseing in my price very quickly and never understood why? I do now ive watched this video ❤ thanks Jj 😊
There was not a war about fish and chips!! The Cod Wars in the middle of the 20th century was mainly about territorial waters of Iceland. The UK wanted to expand their fishing industry and went into Icelandic territorial waters with their fishing trawlers. Had absolutely nothing to do with fish and chips hahah.
The graphics on this video are so misleading. That 12 mile border around Iceland that nearly goes through John O Groats... come on... its over 700 miles between those nations. 12 miles is fuck all
For years Britain and Iceland, Norway, Sweden or Switzerland had an agreement, just like we did with the EU we left this agreement to join EEC or now EU. But in the 1950's up to 1970 we were told they broke the agreement when we left them so we buy our fish from Iceland. When we left the first agreement nations we carry on fishing in their water and fighting started out no military and a coast guard navy against fishing boats then British sent in the navy and nothing happened but a few knocks and scrapes with boats. It's a bit like America caved in over the loss Cuba in the 1950's and the same in the 1960's missiles on Cuban soil and Russian leader Nikita Khrushchev that made America change and make secret deals with the CCCP under the table which came out in the early 2000's with freedom of information acts with an Kennedy and Johnson allegedly. And now it's a bit like now with the same thing. The French, Netherlands not allowed to call them Dutch anymore they don't like it Dutch is a small region in Holland that another thing it's now the Netherlands and nothing else, Germans, Spanish fisheries coming here to our water and getting our gunboats to patrol our water just like this video all over other fish or cod, crab's, lobster, shellfish and crayfish members Love mum
I remember the Cod Wars as a child in the 70s - it was high drama on the seas with the news showing reels of derring-do from old blighty - I wasn't interested enough at the time to go into detail. But it is true - or was before we got 'multiculralised' by TPB that Fish n chips was a regular thing. We don't do it too often these days because it;s DAMN expensive - for me and my son at my local chippy - cod and chips is currently £12.00 per medium cod and regular chips - my son woudl have large cod which is £10 on it's own, so for two of us to have fish n chips you are looking at £25 - for one meal - which is enough to feed us for 3 days if we cook our own. Thats $32 for one meal which you go and pick up - how does that compare to the US? Fish n chips used to be an affordable meal for Brits - it isn't any more.
SOSUS lines….hydrophones stretched over the ocean floor between Iceland to Scotland ……enabled NATO to listen to Soviet submarines trying to enter the Atlantic
I ashamedly know very little about the cod wars. I know that cod is pretty rare these days in the UK, and expensive, and we use a lot more Pollock as a replacement. I know there's been a lot on pressure on Iceland to stop hunting whales into extintion.
Iceland sells most of the Cod to other countries. We dont eat it that much. There is another fish we eat. I only remember seeing and eating cod, as a dried fish not in cocking. It might be changing in the resent years that Icelanders eat mor cod.
It's very much a Chinese thing to do considering it is what they are doing in the South Pacific with the small island and pissing of the US Government every time an American plane or ship passes through the zones (including zone made up by making islands bigger)
We also have Place, Haddock, Skate, Hack, Pollock, Place, Rig/Rock and Scampy (Battered or Bredded) sold in British chip Shops but on average on 3-4 are sold in any given shop and some fish types may vary by area
Only five minutes in and already half of its information is plainly wrong. However, I suspect you will probably attract some criticism in the comments from this video for its idiotic and, quite frankly, offensive flippancy and complete and utter failure to engage with the seriousness of the consequences. Ultimately what it lead to was not just 'oooh wooahhh dude fish and chips blaah'...it lead to the decimation of an entire industry AND all of the ancillary trades and industries that supported it...that in turn lead to tens of thousands of job losses and hundreds of thousands of people in families that were affected by the economic hardship the loss of those industries caused. To this day many have not recovered...Grimsby remains one of THE most poverty stricken and economically deprived areas of the country precisely BECAUSE of the result of these 'woahh dood flippy dippy, ima millennial hippy, fish and chips wars'. Hull and Grimsby at one time had a fishing fleet of over 400 vessels operating out of those ports...but it was not just those that are now all gone. It is also everything else that went with it. Shipyards, boat builders, engineering works, foundry and steelworks, rope and netting manufacturers, boilermakers, engine makers, dock workers, stevedores, porters, people that worked in the fish markets, logistics, administration, people that worked in the processing factories, people that worked in industries that used the waste products - fishmeal for fertiliser etc...the list is very, very long. And that is just two locations amongst dozens and dozens...all those smaller coastal communities that were likewise affected and livelihoods ruined. Now, with the perfect 20/20 vision of hindsight it's probably fair to say that the writing may well have been on the wall anyway, such was the effect of overfishing on fish stocks...however, that still does not negate the hardship it ultimately brought when those industries collapsed as a result of the Cod Wars. Nor does the video make any attempt to engage with those implications...just 'like woah dood, these doods like really like their fish dood, and those guys they wanted some fish too omegalul'. Clueless. It was a massive industry that tens of thousands of people relied on for their livelihoods and supported hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people in the families of those that worked in and around it. Of course the UK wanted to protect those interests. It's also kind of sad really that many of those skills and trades, the heritage and an entire way of life is now consigned to history.
Got to respect Iceland for still having the Viking Spirit (unlike the rest of scandyland) also Iceland had this attitude because during WW2 Britian Invaded Iceland to prevent them from being taken over by the germans. FTY. The Chinese also sell fish to the British market.
I'd suggest it's supposed importance is in denying the West's enemies (Soviet Union) a potential ally and bastion in the centre of the western world. Preventing a second Cuban missile crisis sort of situation. That's the only thing I can think anyway
Hey man! I absolutely love your content, your genuine interest in our little country across the sea is so flattering! But there is one thing that has always bothered me and I hope you see this so I can sleep easy once more! WHAT THE *BLEEP* DOES THE JJLA STAND FOR?!?!?! I must know! We must know! Jokes aside, been watching you for a while and your content is so fun and chilled back, you've very quickly become my comfort RUclipsr - Keep up the great work! Never stop doing you!
Yep that’s a waterfall… what the fek has it to do with cod!?! O camping with your children.. what the fek that’s got to do with cod!?! Especially some war!!
JJ you might be interested in a lesser known (in the rest of world at least) UK war, an actual one this time - The Falklands. Oversimplified did a great video called "The Falklands - MiniWars #1"
England has a tendency to just not care after leaving EU they got in trouble with us Danes as they yet again were in our waters this time they were no longer part of EU and so could not fish there. The small island under Iceland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark cod is also fished there obviously a deal was struck but its a lot of headache every time England reconsiders its deals and commitments
Nothing funny about the Glasgow (Scottish!) so called "Ice Cream" Wars. Innocent people including several children died as a result of arson, the men convicted of their murder served many years in prison before being exonerated and released due to a Miscarriage of Justice.
I think if they had tried that with Thatcher at the helm. she would have called their bluff. OK Leave... then we are free to enforce our rights as you are no longer in NATO. In politics, timing is everything... ask Galtieri!
At the end Iceland wouldn’t have bombed Britain This is you’re americano mindset Diplomacy is complicated and having thankfully education borne in Scotland from cradle to grave
Strategic importance in terms of WWII when tne UK protected it and in the Cold war ifit was to be takenby Russia as a base to launch nukes. You should look into the fish wars between the UK and the EU that had serious co sequences
I _dont_ like cod at all. Its _nasty_. I like Huss* and Haddock. (*Also known as"Rock Salmon" or "dogfish" - the latter being a type of small shark.) I havent eaten 'Huss' for _ages_ now - I kinda feel sorry for the poor little sharks - despite them being, well, sharks! (Iceland can have as much cod as it likes to my mind, because I never eat it - yuk!!)
Funnily enough, the best fish and chips I've had was at a bar called Nostalgia at 1326 Pico Blvd in Santa Monica! But the chef was told I was English before I got there so he may have tried extra hard. Not the classic British fish and chips but god damn it was good.
It's conflict not war. We're an Island nation (British Isles) with a dense population. Our fishing fleets are now massively depleted leaving fishing towns , of which there are hundreds, on their arses. The French, Iceland, Scandinavia, etc all want a piece of the action. Politics and money, money, money. Haddock is almost the same as Cod so most chippys serve haddock now. They can stick their effing Cod !! 😂 P.s we didnt ram them, they tried stopping the ship's by sailing infront of them. Don't believe the hype (as P.E. said)
This is rather inaccurate and frankly presented in a rather flippant manner. Look up The Cod Wars. This was a very serious situation. National Boundaries were being breached by foreign fishing vessels- not just Iceland but also other Nordic countries and Russia using enormous Fish Factory Vessels which strip the seas by over fishing. Opposing vessels attacked each other over fishing rights.
The UK has strict fishing quotas imposed upon it which has decimated the Fishing Industry, destroyed coastal communities, driven up the price of fresh fish to the point now where many people just can't afford to buy it. Its just not funny.
Just calling it "fish and chip" wars belittles the magnitude and lasting effects of this situation.
Bullshit,raw fish? This is raw sewage!
Other foods are available....
That is untrue. Our rich fishing grounds
we're signed away by Ted Heath.
The cod wars with Iceland were a completely different issue.
@valeriedavidson2785 And yet, people still vote for the Tory idiots. Maggie did even worse with the fisheries dept too...
Who gets fish & chips from a pub you go to a fish&chip shop
tourists
Lol
I have eaten fish and chips in a pub. Surely it's one of the most traditional meals to get in a pub?? The first fish and chip shop didn't open until 1860, which is fairly recently.
Pub fish and chips is great. Yeah you go to a fish and chip shop usually but if you’re having a meal in a pub and fish and chips is an option it’s a great choice.
A lot of pub fish and chips is frozen and oven 'cooked'. They don't have the right equipment to produce proper fish or proper chips. If they did they would soon convert to 'chippies' and make far more money than they do as pubs.
As an American, you really should be concerned about the strategic aspect. Icelanders' are not interested in fish and chips. They are only interested in selling fish to Britain. The Cod wars were just as real as the Falkland's or any other war, not just a joke. If the Russian (then Soviet) Navy wanted to enter the North Atlantic, they would have just four options. Three of them were patrolled or controlled by The Royal Navy - Gibraltar, The English Channel and a narrow navigable route south of Iceland. The fourth option, The Cape is controlled by bad weather. The outcome of the Cod wars means that Iceland now has control of this route - with no navy. Incidentally, your former President's suggestion that the US should purchase Greenland was met with universal derision... Wake up America - look at the map.
Look up the GIUK Gap to see why Iceland is so important to NATO. The seas between the UK, Iceland and Greenland are relatively narrow and form a choke point between the open ocean and the ports of North Russia. It's somewhere NATO can focus its surveillance to detect Russian submarines, or block the way for Russian ships. It's also important for NATO to send its own ships through between Europe and America.
Fish and chips wars 😂😂
It was called the cod war 😉
There's a great documentary about it. Unsurprisingly it's called "The Cod Wars"
Fish and chips in pubs is more of an American thing, in the UK you go to a dedicated chip shop
Aww a spoons fish and chips (and brewers fayre on a friday) are mildly tolerable. PS dont eat Chips out in the open at the harbour in Polperro, Cornwall, the seagulls will nick them from your hand
Here in Oceanside California they have a place called harbor fish and chips that’s 2 minute walk from the beach it’s very nice. It’s not a pub (we call it a bar) and I didnt know fish and chips was a pub thing in America but I don’t drink or hang out at places like that
What he did not tell you is that after we joined Europe in 1973 we had to sign away our fishing grounds around the British isles which are rich with fish including cod. Most of our fishing grounds are plundered by France Netherlands and Spain and our fishing industry was ruined. Even when negotiating Brexit British ministers gave way to France and others so that they could fish huge quantities around our coasts. A lot of our fishing industry was made bankrupt. Many British people are still upset about this. We are supposed to get our fishing back eventually and I suppose it remains to be seen, even though we now have Brexit.
Yes. Thatcher sold our fishing industry.
@@manneroo Thatcher was not in power when we joined Europe in 1973. She came to power in 1979. I am pretty sure it was Ted Heath who sold us down the river.
@@manneroo Thatcher did NOT sign away our fishing industry. It was Ted Heath. Heath was a Euro fanatic and it was him that put us into the Common Market.
@@valeriedavidson2785 I thought the public did that in a referendum.
UK used to have the biggest fishing industry in Europe. They overfished the North sea cod stock to almost extinction. The UK fishing boats moved ever north until the Icelanders realised if they didn't stop them the shelf around Iceland would also be hoovered dry. A similar thing
happened in the West Atlantic - US had vast fishing fleets and fished it almost to destruction.
These days a large proportion of UK cod comes from Iceland. Today the UK fishing fleet is a lot smaller.
The Icelanders make a great effort to keep their fishing sustainable.
During WWII Britain had bases on Iceland to stop Nazi Germany using it.
During the cold war Iceland was very important in the detection of Soviet nuclear submarines passing from Murmansk towards the US East coast.
I remember this and will never forget the British Trawler where the captain leaned out of the deck house and stuck two fingers up at the Icelandic gun boat whilst playing Land of Hope and Glory on the boat's PA system as loud as possible. It was actually shown on national TV news shows. The international maritime law is that any more than 12 miles of your coast is international waters unless internationally agreed otherwise. The trawler was a little over 20 miles off Iceland which Iceland claimed was their teritorial waters
There's a whole documentary about the Iceland-UK Cod Wars.
Unsurprisingly it's called "The Cod Wars"
Britain being a small island in and of itself was probably just deeply impressed by these guys sheer bloody mindedness and determination. You don't use your big sticks against the guy who has none. Respect to Iceland!....
Ridiculous. It was 'The Cod Wars', and as I recall, one of the Icelandic Captains became something of a heartthrob in the UK.
The original reason the Royal Navy was created.
Was to protect British fishies from foreign fishermen
*fishies fuck off!!
That was surprisingly interesting, and your face at the 'cod piece' reference just cracked me up! Love listening to your thoughtful, intelligent and amusing commentary. Excellent work. Baby sheep are 'lambs' by the way and puffins probably taste awful.
I live in one of the UK communities affected by this and it basically ended the deep water fleet. The inshore fleet followed the decline over the next few decades until we are no longer a working port at all. It's really sad how a once vibrant town became ruined by the greed of a nation to virtually do a 'land-grab' for want of a better term, to ring fence a natural resource in international waters all for itself.
Me too. All the emphasis is on little old Iceland and nothing about the communities in the UK that were affected. The populations of the two main fishing ports in the UK was over twice that of Iceland at the time. My family is from and I was brought up in a town that was known as the largest fishing port in the world, that's the world, not the UK, not Europe, the world. What do we have now? A fish market were trade is fresh fish from Scotland brought in on lorries and frozen Icelandic Cod, and the area where our fishermen used to live is one of the most deprived areas in the UK. It was never about loving Cod it was always about catching it and selling it themselves.
A fascinating documentary series about fishermen off northern Scotland is called Trawlermen.. its a tough dangerous profession..utterly brilliant to learn about
Aye, with loads of subtitles!...
don't get fish and chips from a pub.
bad idea
maybe if you go to spoons or another chain pub where all the food is microwaved from frozen... not if you go to a good, proper, traditional pub though.
Hard disagree, even Wetherspoons does good fish and chips. Will never beat a chip shop but it’s almost as good.
@@Sparx632 it's not "almost as good" it's frozen fish and frozen chips
@@lukespooky Always seemed good to me.
Iceland is important to NATO for a couple of reasons.
If they became friendly with Russia.
Russia could use ports in Iceland to disrupt shipping between Europe and American.
Its position is useful to the naval and air forces of nato. As it can be used as a springboard to attack Russia by flying over the North Pole.
Iceland are also part of the SOSUS system.
It’s a system of underwater microphones that listen for and tracks every vessel travelling in the North Atlantic.
If Iceland left, it would of created a whole in this network.
Allow Russia ship and submarine to enter the North Atlantic.
Without detection! 😉
If Iceland left, it would *have* created a *hole* in this network.
Fun fact about the sheep. They sometimes stand in the middle of the road, licking it. Its some salt on the road they're after.
And you've got to watch out where the mother is. If she is on the other side of the road, the baby's will run out in front of your car.
Fish and chips are amazing if you get it from a genuine chippy. Eating it in my local town gives me a bad stomach. But when we went to Scotland I had absolutely no problem eating it.
There was already some history between the UK and Iceland prior to these events. The UK landed troops on Iceland during WW2 to protect it, and prevent it being occupied by Germany. Although this was heavily protested by the Icelandic government at the time as they had always been an independant and proud people. They did not see the bigger picture, and the necessity to prevent the Axis powers using Iceland as a mid Atlantic base.
So fast forward to the Cod Wars, and you see that they have missed the bigger picture again . . . namely the need to provide us Brits with the means to always have adequate supplies of fish and chips available to us!
They did give us Magnus Magnusson and Bjork though, so nice people , and the fire and ice tours
My father was a fisherman from Scotland that was involved with these fishing wars
In 1986 Reagan and Gorbachev met for peace talks in Reykjavik Iceland... Iceland is very strategic to both nations
If you've understood the politics of the Icelandic Cod Wars, you're well set to understand the causes of Brexit.
I would like too know your thoughts
Causes are nice aftermath is shmee
We Called these the Cod Wars. Actually strong territorial waters and international fishing agreements are important for stock management (the russians tend to ignore them though) and should be settled by some kind of UN court. Of course the UK was in the EEC at the time (which managed EU area waters - which was another "problem") and Iceland (and Norway) was (and are) not. Should the gunboat diplomacy have happened , probably not but it was posturing by the govt more to the UK electorate than anything else.
The funniest thing about this war is that our costgard had like three ships. There were a lot of small fishingboats too.
And Iceland's secret weapon was spesial scissor that were used to cut the net's of the British boats. So thei lpst the net and the fish. Had to go home, get new net's and have them cut off again.
Fish, not fish and chips.
Royal Navy, not British Navy.
Dont other countries have Royal navies ( Netherlands ?)
I don't know, but it is called the Royal Navy not the British Navy. Just like the Royal Air Force.@@highpath4776
@@highpath4776 Other countries can call their Navy whatever they like, but there is only one Royal Navy.
Minor point, but one I've noticed all American vloggers miss (I'm assuming because they base their experience on visiting London as tourists) is that Fish & Chips in pubs is a minor part of the industry, most of us actually get our Fish & Chips from our local 'Chippy' which most neighbourhoods have their own, and take them home to eat. Fish and Chips in Pubs usually aren't that good (with some exceptions), I'm assuming because the Pubs have to cook all manner of other dishes, whereas the Chippy just focusses on Fish andCchips, with the odd sausage and pie thrown in. So, if you want to try the real, and much better Fish and Chips, get a Brit to take you to their local Chippy! :-)
In the end, Iceland turned out to have the moral high ground. Every coastal nation could identify with our arguments.
Icelanders like Fish & Chips just as much as anyone, but this conflict was about fishing rights - The Brits (and others) had been exploiting and overfishing our traditional waters using bullying tactics. Seeing that the fishing industry was our main resource at the time, we extended our territorial limits to 12 nautical miles. The Brits did not like it and started bullying but eventually we won and the 12 NM limit became a global standard. Eventually we expanded the limit to 50NM and again the British response was more bullying and once again they lost the conflict. The final iteration was when we expanded the limit to 200NM - with a similar conflict and eventually another Icelandic win. These limits actually became global standards.
These conflicts were notable in one respect: The body count! To the best of my knowledge, only one life was lost, an Icelandic Coast Guard engineer that died during repairs to damage sustained in a minor collision between an Icelandic gunboat and a British warship. This casualty cannot even be blamed on the British, trying to do electrical welding in sea-spray conditions is very unwise.
If you like lambs then visit Tan Hill (it's the highest pub in Britain and sheep often run inside and through the pub whilst people are drinking and of course eating fish and chips, truly worth a visit, you would love it.
There are Video's on You Tube showing the Ramming tactics used between Naval RN vessels and Icelandic Coast guard and Fishing vessels. Pretty dangerous stuff in those seas!
The Cod wars ruined my town’s fishing fleet the biggest fishing fleet in the world, Grimsby is a Haddock port Haddock is the best fish. Grimsby Town fans have being taking inflatable haddock’s known as Harry Haddock to football matches since the FA Cup run in 1989, currently on the third version of Harry Haddock which came in for the FA Cup run last season. Grimsby is the biggest fish processing centre in Britain with the biggest concentration of cold stores. Grimsby has the cheapest fish and chip shop in Britain.
I was in the Royal Navy in the 70's during the '2nd Cod war', we did not ram Icelandic coast guard boats they decided to ram our warships.........they came off worse, when the Icelandic 'gunboats' attacked british trawlers then the RN rammed them, we did not fire a single shot.
How does the 200 mile zone for every country work in practice? Surely there must be overlaps/conflicts somewhere? Also isn't the uninhabited isle of Rockall important to the UK for something related to this?
yes, it bumps the 200 miles out west and north. Where ocean areas overlap it is the midpoint that is the boundary
I worked in my local fish and chip shop in Nottingham uk when i was younger.i do remember well cod riseing in my price very quickly and never understood why? I do now ive watched this video ❤ thanks Jj 😊
This leverage would never happen any where else in the world
This is what makes the uk … stopping slavery …industrial revolution
Unique
There was not a war about fish and chips!! The Cod Wars in the middle of the 20th century was mainly about territorial waters of Iceland. The UK wanted to expand their fishing industry and went into Icelandic territorial waters with their fishing trawlers. Had absolutely nothing to do with fish and chips hahah.
The graphics on this video are so misleading. That 12 mile border around Iceland that nearly goes through John O Groats... come on... its over 700 miles between those nations. 12 miles is fuck all
It was about the Brits dit not care of the resource and would have dried up all the cod around Iceland if Iceland would not have stoped them.
USA had a Army based here in Iceland 🇮🇸 that is why
I’m currently watching this sat on the toilet with constipation
I take it you are having a shit time.
@@peterattfield I was indeed. I’m 34 and have had phimosis my whole life
It helps to pass the time (said the man who swallowed a watch)
In Scotland its Haddock and Whiting not cod that are the big sellers in fish and chips
It was called the cod wars, British needed it for fish and chips, Iceland didn't care about fish and chips as such
For years Britain and Iceland, Norway, Sweden or Switzerland had an agreement, just like we did with the EU we left this agreement to join EEC or now EU. But in the 1950's up to 1970 we were told they broke the agreement when we left them so we buy our fish from Iceland. When we left the first agreement nations we carry on fishing in their water and fighting started out no military and a coast guard navy against fishing boats then British sent in the navy and nothing happened but a few knocks and scrapes with boats. It's a bit like America caved in over the loss Cuba in the 1950's and the same in the 1960's missiles on Cuban soil and Russian leader Nikita Khrushchev that made America change and make secret deals with the CCCP under the table which came out in the early 2000's with freedom of information acts with an Kennedy and Johnson allegedly. And now it's a bit like now with the same thing. The French, Netherlands not allowed to call them Dutch anymore they don't like it Dutch is a small region in Holland that another thing it's now the Netherlands and nothing else, Germans, Spanish fisheries coming here to our water and getting our gunboats to patrol our water just like this video all over other fish or cod, crab's, lobster, shellfish and crayfish members
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Iceland is positioned in the Atlantic that’s stops Russian ships coming south@8.00
I remember the Cod Wars as a child in the 70s - it was high drama on the seas with the news showing reels of derring-do from old blighty - I wasn't interested enough at the time to go into detail. But it is true - or was before we got 'multiculralised' by TPB that Fish n chips was a regular thing. We don't do it too often these days because it;s DAMN expensive - for me and my son at my local chippy - cod and chips is currently £12.00 per medium cod and regular chips - my son woudl have large cod which is £10 on it's own, so for two of us to have fish n chips you are looking at £25 - for one meal - which is enough to feed us for 3 days if we cook our own. Thats $32 for one meal which you go and pick up - how does that compare to the US? Fish n chips used to be an affordable meal for Brits - it isn't any more.
SOSUS lines….hydrophones stretched over the ocean floor between Iceland to Scotland ……enabled NATO to listen to Soviet submarines trying to enter the Atlantic
Why would we use our guns? We're not Americans.
I ashamedly know very little about the cod wars. I know that cod is pretty rare these days in the UK, and expensive, and we use a lot more Pollock as a replacement. I know there's been a lot on pressure on Iceland to stop hunting whales into extintion.
Iceland sells most of the Cod to other countries. We dont eat it that much. There is another fish we eat.
I only remember seeing and eating cod, as a dried fish not in cocking. It might be changing in the resent years that Icelanders eat mor cod.
Ah yes, the famous swimming potatoes!
It's very much a Chinese thing to do considering it is what they are doing in the South Pacific with the small island and pissing of the US Government every time an American plane or ship passes through the zones (including zone made up by making islands bigger)
We also have Place, Haddock, Skate, Hack, Pollock, Place, Rig/Rock and Scampy (Battered or Bredded) sold in British chip Shops but on average on 3-4 are sold in any given shop and some fish types may vary by area
Only five minutes in and already half of its information is plainly wrong. However, I suspect you will probably attract some criticism in the comments from this video for its idiotic and, quite frankly, offensive flippancy and complete and utter failure to engage with the seriousness of the consequences. Ultimately what it lead to was not just 'oooh wooahhh dude fish and chips blaah'...it lead to the decimation of an entire industry AND all of the ancillary trades and industries that supported it...that in turn lead to tens of thousands of job losses and hundreds of thousands of people in families that were affected by the economic hardship the loss of those industries caused. To this day many have not recovered...Grimsby remains one of THE most poverty stricken and economically deprived areas of the country precisely BECAUSE of the result of these 'woahh dood flippy dippy, ima millennial hippy, fish and chips wars'.
Hull and Grimsby at one time had a fishing fleet of over 400 vessels operating out of those ports...but it was not just those that are now all gone. It is also everything else that went with it. Shipyards, boat builders, engineering works, foundry and steelworks, rope and netting manufacturers, boilermakers, engine makers, dock workers, stevedores, porters, people that worked in the fish markets, logistics, administration, people that worked in the processing factories, people that worked in industries that used the waste products - fishmeal for fertiliser etc...the list is very, very long. And that is just two locations amongst dozens and dozens...all those smaller coastal communities that were likewise affected and livelihoods ruined.
Now, with the perfect 20/20 vision of hindsight it's probably fair to say that the writing may well have been on the wall anyway, such was the effect of overfishing on fish stocks...however, that still does not negate the hardship it ultimately brought when those industries collapsed as a result of the Cod Wars. Nor does the video make any attempt to engage with those implications...just 'like woah dood, these doods like really like their fish dood, and those guys they wanted some fish too omegalul'. Clueless.
It was a massive industry that tens of thousands of people relied on for their livelihoods and supported hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people in the families of those that worked in and around it. Of course the UK wanted to protect those interests. It's also kind of sad really that many of those skills and trades, the heritage and an entire way of life is now consigned to history.
Got to respect Iceland for still having the Viking Spirit (unlike the rest of scandyland) also Iceland had this attitude because during WW2 Britian Invaded Iceland to prevent them from being taken over by the germans.
FTY. The Chinese also sell fish to the British market.
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Methinks you were lost my friend
It meant there was a set within sets
Overlap
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Unless you're Iceland or China
They look like gulls (seagulls) eggs.... It's quite common. But not in the UK.
We call it the Cod Wars, not the "fish and chips wars". That's just silly, no potato was harmed in the conflicts.
I'd suggest it's supposed importance is in denying the West's enemies (Soviet Union) a potential ally and bastion in the centre of the western world. Preventing a second Cuban missile crisis sort of situation.
That's the only thing I can think anyway
iceland is like a outpost or carrier that monitors north atlantic ocian thats the supports connection from usa too eu its similar to hawai but not
The cod wars it almost killed off the fishing industry in the UK
Hey man! I absolutely love your content, your genuine interest in our little country across the sea is so flattering! But there is one thing that has always bothered me and I hope you see this so I can sleep easy once more!
WHAT THE *BLEEP* DOES THE JJLA STAND FOR?!?!?! I must know! We must know!
Jokes aside, been watching you for a while and your content is so fun and chilled back, you've very quickly become my comfort RUclipsr - Keep up the great work! Never stop doing you!
I think he’s JJ from Los Angeles
@@lyndapet1 If this is correct, I'm embarrassed I never put this together
We eat all kinds of fish and not only battered with chips.. its big business
Cod might be slightly healthier than haddock but cod can be infested with worms, therfore I'll take the haddock although their both bottom feeders.
You have almost put me off cod now!! I will try to keep that mental image out of my mind when I have it next.😉
Chicken and chips is top tier, in the UK that is. And it has to be from a black or Asian(south) takeaway.
The guy who made the original video can't stick to the topic. WTF are we looking at puffins for whilst talking about the cod wars?
Yep that’s a waterfall… what the fek has it to do with cod!?!
O camping with your children.. what the fek that’s got to do with cod!?!
Especially some war!!
It was call "The Cod War" at the time. Chips had nothing to do with it?
We get fish and chips in our pubs Nottingham uk ❤
Fish and Chips war? Is that a new name for the Cod War.
They missed out the part where there was a fight involving chips as swords
We don’t eat it only
JJ you might be interested in a lesser known (in the rest of world at least) UK war, an actual one this time - The Falklands. Oversimplified did a great video called "The Falklands - MiniWars #1"
England has a tendency to just not care after leaving EU they got in trouble with us Danes as they yet again were in our waters this time they were no longer part of EU and so could not fish there. The small island under Iceland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark cod is also fished there obviously a deal was struck but its a lot of headache every time England reconsiders its deals and commitments
England is not the UK.
@@elemar5 No you are right but its not like the rest has any say any way 😂
Cod is good, though I prefer Haddock or Pollack. But I'll eat most things. Not keen on Huss and Coley.
Fish and chips is not a big thing in Iceland and rather new to us 😅
Well that nearly escalated to C.O.D over Cod
I did not know this at all, great find!
The EU has stolen our fish, and still does - oh, wait, didn't we leave? I'll have to phone a friend on that one.
The map with the exaggerated boundary is annoying. 50 miles is not far.
you should check out the english icecream wars it was crazy lol
Nothing funny about the Glasgow (Scottish!) so called "Ice Cream" Wars. Innocent people including several children died as a result of arson, the men convicted of their murder served many years in prison before being exonerated and released due to a Miscarriage of Justice.
Or the Glasgow ice cream wars :)
I thought that only happened in Glasgow😂 didnt realise there was ice cream wars in England too lol😂
Check out Mark Kurlansky's book "Cod"
They eat Puffin in Iceland.
I think if they had tried that with Thatcher at the helm. she would have called their bluff. OK Leave... then we are free to enforce our rights as you are no longer in NATO. In politics, timing is everything... ask Galtieri!
Then we would let russia in.. not a good idea that for u anyway
Leave the puffins alone, please! 🫣
At the end
Iceland wouldn’t have bombed Britain
This is you’re americano mindset
Diplomacy is complicated and having thankfully education borne in Scotland from cradle to grave
There is no fish and chips war you're making this situation up.
Ice, yum
Vikings vs Vikings, stalemate. Personally I'm vegetarian so ( "hey, leave those fish alone").
We literally had bigger fish to fry
Strategic importance in terms of WWII when tne UK protected it and in the Cold war ifit was to be takenby Russia as a base to launch nukes.
You should look into the fish wars between the UK and the EU that had serious co sequences
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We know you are thinking "French", you don't have to say it :P
Tea war's. But we will never give in to the French lol.
I _dont_ like cod at all. Its _nasty_.
I like Huss* and Haddock.
(*Also known as"Rock Salmon" or "dogfish" - the latter being a type of small shark.) I havent eaten 'Huss' for _ages_ now - I kinda feel sorry for the poor little sharks - despite them being, well, sharks!
(Iceland can have as much cod as it likes to my mind, because I never eat it - yuk!!)
Sharks dont have the same kind of bones as such, being more cartilage.
GIUK Gap - key to the Cold War
Fish&Chips is NOT a thing i Icland.
We are more of a KFC peopl 👍 That is popular and known by all.
Funnily enough, the best fish and chips I've had was at a bar called Nostalgia at 1326 Pico Blvd in Santa Monica! But the chef was told I was English before I got there so he may have tried extra hard. Not the classic British fish and chips but god damn it was good.
It's conflict not war. We're an Island nation (British Isles) with a dense population. Our fishing fleets are now massively depleted leaving fishing towns , of which there are hundreds, on their arses. The French, Iceland, Scandinavia, etc all want a piece of the action. Politics and money, money, money.
Haddock is almost the same as Cod so most chippys serve haddock now. They can stick their effing Cod !! 😂
P.s we didnt ram them, they tried stopping the ship's by sailing infront of them. Don't believe the hype (as P.E. said)
Never seen such a video full of such bs . Dont take history lessons from this guy whatever you do 😂
Britain should of said we leave it alone as long as the USA takes guns rights out the constitution if u wanna keep your guns we need our cod