Danny "Lovable Twat" Dyer was saying... "I do hope that in partaking of refreshments in this fine establishment we don't run into any unpleasantness with the local ruffians"
"..are you sure we're not gonna walk in this boozer and get ironed-our by this little firm, "but, you seem sweet as [ a nut ] but it's early days. "but, I'm sure someone's gonna glass me anyway, only joking..." Translation to RP ...one wasn't sure that walking into this fine drinking establishment that this small, tight-knit group of gentlemen might strike me down, but, you seem like a fine fellow, one does get the feeling that he may get struck before the evening ends, I surely jest...
We haven't had organised football hooliganism for nearly 30yrs in the UK after massive police operations to disband/arrest/jail the leaders. But across the EU it has exploded in numbers over recent years , and yet all we hear about is UK hooligan's.
Its true, ICF started doing security and taking over doors. I witnessed it twice, Crowland Road, Tottenham, the original Labyrinth, and Echos, underneath the Bow fly over. No point getting nicked and birded, when you can make easy money.
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No, glassing is when someone stabs you in the face with a broken beer glass, you lose an eye, half your teeth, and a huge chunk of flesh from your face. I once worked with a victim.
In my neighbouring town we have the Atherstone Ball Game. Its been played on Shrove Tuesday since 1199. The first game was played between two counties as it sits on the border of Warwickshire and Leicestershire. Now its played between pub teams and for charity. It involves the whole of the High Street being boarded up and the winning team normally drags the ball away and stabs it. Well worth checking it out.
The late 70’s and 80’s were insane for it, my old man has told me some absolutely brilliant stories Proper hooliganism has pretty much does out in the UK now, but it’s still going strong in Eastern Europe
The Eastern Europeans are insecure that’s why the Russians got padded up in case the English beat them up. The Russians even had gum shields 😂 the English have come away from hooliganism, it was the 80’s when it was at its height
Funny that you joke about if England and Germany played football against each other there wouldn't have been World Wars. "Late on Christmas Eve 1914, men of the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) heard German troops in the trenches opposite them singing carols and patriotic songs and saw lanterns and small fir trees along their trenches. Messages began to be shouted between the trenches. The following day, British and German soldiers met in no man's land and exchanged gifts, took photographs and some played impromptu games of football. They also buried casualties and repaired trenches and dugouts. After Boxing Day, meetings in no man's land dwindled out."
Also it was 'frowned upon' by many officers and the high commands of both sides basically gave orders to stop it happening again (though it did on a small scale) as it could 'undermine the fighting spirit'. Maybe that 'undermining' might have been a better kind than the one practiced by sappers during the war, and helped end it sooner with less loss of life!
@@David_Bower There is some evidence football was played, Just not on a mass scale portrayed. I believe there was a match played somewhere on the belgium frontline. With Soilders from England and Germany writing about it.
@@jackgoldbridge3403 You can't claim in all certainty that a game of football took place, a brief kick around of some sort perhaps, but it would be dishonest to say a football match took place.
They didn't "dwindle out", they were expressly banned by commanding officers because they felt that 2 armies realising they had more in common with each other than they did with the Generals would probably create some PROBLEMS for the ruling classes of their respective countries.
It’s a whole subject - Liverpool fans in particular stole sportswear, mostly tennis brands. At the time, 79, - southerners wore golf gear - Pringle, gabicci snd shoes. North west was t Fila, Lacoste, faded jeans and trainers. By 81 both were adopting the clobber of the other.
Hillsborough had nothing to do with hooliganism, but bad crowd control and stadium design; and the police were recently finally forced to apologise for saying that it had.
there was blame on both sides yes. Juventus I think rushed the Liverpool end first causing a reaction which is where the wall crashed and people got crushed trying to flee@@leswalker4282
Fun fact. One of Englands old unrepealed laws stats that all aged males should attend their local Butts on a Sunday to practice archery. This is why alot of small greens and areas around England are called "The Butts" The Butt is the target.
The subtitles weren't true to what danny dyer was saying, he said "were gonna walk into this boozer (pub) amd get ironed out by this firm, you know what i mean? But you seem sweet as (a nut), but its early days"
The narrator keeps going on about "working class" but football is classless. In the 80s a major undercover operation rounded up some of the worst firms. The men arrested included accountants, lawyers, stockbrokers and company directors.
We were first because of the union. England, Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland have always fought with each other when there wasnt a war, its why were the best at war.
That mid 70s Leeds team were hooligans ON the field never mind in the crowd 🤣 Norman 'bites yer legs' Hunter, Billy Bremner, Johnny Giles, Joe Jordan...different game in those days. Every team had their hard men...Ron 'chopper' Harris, Tommy Smith, Dave Mackay etc. Less football and more organised mugging...of course people were going to get riled up.
Not quite fictional, it based on a undercover police operation at Millwall. James Bannon was the copper involved and wrote the screenplay for the film and also wrote a book about his experiences called Running with the Firm.
25:50 Dany Dyer translation: "wait, are you sure we're gonna walk into this boozer? We're gonna get ironed out by this little firm. You know what I mean? But you seem sweet as, but it's early days yet. You know what I mean? I'm sure someone's gonna glass me in a bit. Only joking" He recounting something he said to his, I assume producers, where he thinks he's going to get battered by the people he's interviewing. Then he says the guy seems ok, but he's only just met him and he could be prone to violence
Luckily in the UK, hooliganism has mostly died out. My Dad has told me football grounds in the 80s were warzones. Unfortunately, ultra and hooligan culture has been massively adopted in Europe - mostly Eastern European countries. Nearly 50 Legia Warsaw fans were arrested for rioting outside Villa Park the other night. Dont think there's a place for it in the modern sport.
@OpinionatedMonk Since posting this comment, UEFA have banned Legia Warsaw fans from attending the next 5 away games and fined them £86,000. They have also been ordered to contact Aston Villa and pay them for damages caused by fans. I don't get it and I never will, I love going to the football in England nowadays. You see families there, not just grown men looking for a fight.
@@Tomc_vodslam It was instilled into me as a kid in the 80's and 90's that footy was a no-go. I've never been to a match in my life. Which is fine as I don't like the game anyways - much prefer cricket!
By time the other European clubs had proper hooligans the proper UK hooligans had already been convicted and banned from going to Europe . So the English people going over were less violent people and they started to get battered by the European clubs
Hi JULA. It IS possible to avoid trouble with a combination of luck, judgment, common sense, and instinct. I have supported, arguably, the team with the most notorious set of fans: MILLWALL for over 60 years since the first of 1,770, matches that I have attended and never been involved in any trouble and I went to 84 different Away grounds, all over England, mostly in the "Wild West" days of the 1970s/1980s though, admittedly I did have some calls against Manchester United and at Chelsea, Cardiff, Bolton and Oldham amongst others...I have a season ticket though I enter my 8th decade next year😀😀
27:34 ive been to matches where people are giving out their phone numbers to the opposite teams fans by holding up their fingers for their pjone numbers so they can meet up after and have a scrap
My son is 28 now. I was a single mother. I was afraid to take him to a football match even though he played for a kids team of a big club and was a ball boy for them. The scouts saw him play and recruited him. I used to have massive anxiety when he went to the matches. When he decided he didn’t want to play anymore I was so happy!!!
I read We Hate Humans* by David Robins and the most interesting thing I took from it was the National Front tried to recruit from football hooligans. When the NF attempted to attack an Anti-Fascist march - who didn't turn up - the hooligans turned on the NF skinheads for a fight. * a Manchester United chant from the time.
Our local football team in the 1990s encouraged more family attendance by giving tickets at much reduced prices to family groups. Hence I spent many hours freezing in a stadium so my children could go to the match 😊
There is a mob football match that is still played today is Royal Shrovetide Football, played in the streets of Ashbourne, Derbyshire. My dad grew up there but he was too young to play but its a huge event were literally the whole town closes to watch hundreds of people fight over a ball. Love it 👍
I got slashed across the back and needed 38 stitches after a Newcastle vs Sunderland game and I wasn’t even at the game I’d been shopping I don’t even follow football I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Those subtitles weren't translating well at all, he said 'Are you sure we're going to walk into this boozer(pub)? We're going to end up getting ironed out(flattened) by this little firm(gang) you know what I mean? But you seem sweet as(calm/relaxed) but it's early days yet, you know what I mean? I'm sure someone's going to glass me(hit with glass or glass bottle), only joking'.
You had a fight in the stands at Australian Open before some 10 years or so when Djokovic faced some Croatian player, I think Cilic. Serbs and Croats fought each other at and around the tennis court...
This problem led to the Hillsborough disaster, because fences were erected between the fans & the pitch. Lots of people were penned in at Hillsborough, & 96 were killed in the crush. These football gangs often rampaged through towns causing chaos, & had to be corralled to games by the police. All seated stadiums have reduced much of this.
@@jmillar71110 I don't think he was saying that it was fans at the game, but the culture of football violence in general that led to fans being dangerously caged in at matches. The incompetence of the police, and organisational failures, contributed to what was a tragedy waiting to happen.
Tribalism exists in religion, as nationalism, in politics, skin colour, etc, etc. Some people feel the need to belong to a group , different from other group identities.
23:46 they don’t ban it totally you just can consume on the view of the pitch It doesn’t apply to non-league football so I have witnessed bad scraps at bath city etc
There is an omission here. The Hillsborough disaster of 1989. The police sent Liverpool fans into overcrowded pens, causing a horrendous squash which caused 97 deaths. Now, I have always loathed Margaret Thatcher and everything she stood for. She deliberately got 'respectable' people to demonise football fans. I remember that football fans were treated like scum; a result of this was putting fences between the fans and the pitch, which caused the awful squash. And then, with the encouragement of the Government, they blamed the fans for Hillsborough, saying they caused it because they were drunk! It took nearly 30 years for the truth to come out.
That was not the only incident were the measures put in place to combat hooliganism caused a worse result. By the time of the Bradford City fire it had become typical practice at football matches to lock the turnstiles shortly after kick-off until well into the second half (last 20 mins or so...or later**). Most of the deaths at Bradford were around the turnstiles...people burnt to death because they could not get out to escape the fire. **It was also quite common, if it was thought a game might get a bit spicy, where one set of supporters, often home supporters, would be retained in the ground for a few minutes whilst the away supporters were quickly marshalled by police and ground staff on to coaches and whisked away from the ground. (or vice versa - away support kept in until the majority of the home crowd had dispersed...I presume it was so it was easier to police the stragglers hanging about looking to start trouble) It's both ironic and tragic that methods put in place to combat the hooliganism caused many more deaths than the hooligans ever did.
I remember as a kid in the Blackburn end at Rovers when Bolton stormed it. Crapped my pants but I was only a little kid, maybe 10, so was left alone with my mates to cower in a corner amidst the ensuing carnage. Happy memories
Nowhere near the same issue nowadays happy to say all fans are welcome I. Newcastle city centre on match days had many of pints with away fans and had great craic
I was only talking about casual fashion originating from football fans, last night. My mate wouldn't have any of it. He wore all the clothes and still does to a degree.
This got to a point that European countries police forces started working together. They had undercover police within the hooligans to identify the fire starters and many times, and most times they were arrested even before boarding the plane to, Portugal let’s say, or at the least they were identified and arrested as soon as they arrived in the country of destination. That also made the police riot officers to be turned into specialised units within the police, instead of just regular police with riot gear. And new functions also came up like the police spotters. Some stadiums even had pits around the stadium creating one more barrier between fans and pitch. They were crazy times. This still happens everywhere but in a smaller scale.
For context danny said that he was worried about "going in the boozer and we're gunna get ironed out, you know what i mean?" Basically he was worried about going in the boozer (the pub) and getting ironed out (flattened/knocked out) but he said he wasnt worried about the guy he was talking to because he seemed alright, but he was worried about getting glassed by someone else! Hope that helps! Cockney accent is a difficult one, i had to listen to it again and im from the south east of England!
Interesting fact and I’m not sure if this is still true but in some parts of England we are still technically required to practice archery every Sunday after church. This law is clearly not enforced
As a child in the 1960s I very occasionally went to a football match. In those days the best place to be was on the terraces. These were tiered areas where people stood. There was, usually a waist high metal bar at the edge of each terrace that you could lean on. Often children would be lifted onto these so they could see the game. There was a lot more atmosphere on the terraces and usually a good sense of community there. Anybody misbehaving was soon stopped or thrown out by the other fans. This all changed with the rise of organised groups of hooligans.
When it even gets a mention in FIFA, you know it's a big deal. Alex Hunter's dad in the Journey mode had a few lines about fighting so yes, EA slid a hooligan reference in and managed to somehow get it through with no changes. Somehow. EPL did not care, apparently. NFL would be throwing a fit about it if that was crowd trouble in their precious league
If you want to see what the origonal game of 'football' was like check out the Atherstone Ball game 2023, which shows the violent nature of the game, it was first played in 1199, there have been deaths in this game but generally broken limbs, eye gouging etc etc, it's a real eyeopener ;)
Another, often overlooked factor, is that changes in the way football was played meant that the game itself was less violent, leading to vented frustration among fans. Witness rugby where violence on the piitch dissipates it among those watching. At rugby grounds, fans intermingle and are allowed alcohol. Says it all, really!
UK football violence is massively overexaggerated. I've been going to matches since I was 8 in 1994, and could count on one hand how many times I've seen violence. Even at the time, I doubt my parents would've took me somewhere that violence would happen
Well you missed it by a few years then,it was at it's peak in the late 70s and 80s. By 94 it still went on but nothing like a few years before. Also a lot of the fights didn't take place at the grounds,it was organised between the rival firms and they'd meet up away from the police and prying eyes and fight
Yes- that was David Icke!!! Good spot! The Danny Dyer subtitles you were reading were largely incorrect - that wasn't what he was saying half the time, so it made no sense!. Basically he was worried they were going to get beaten up.... Growing up in the '70's everyone not interested in football knew to keep out of the city centre when there was a 'Home Game' for the locl pofessional football team. The police hated to be rostered to be doing a shift at the football on a Saturday afternoon. Things are much better today, and it's common for people to take young families to the game, as it's usually pretty safe. When thee is trouble it often centres around the fans of visiting Easten European Teams - though not always.
This was very interesting, being a tenager in England in the 80's was very confusing working out what was going on, and being a Liverpool fan, utterly bewildering. I just loved football, playing and watching. My peanut teenage brain couldn't work out WTF was going on... Thanks for the video.
Danny was saying 26 mins in “we’re gonna walk in this boozer (another word for pub) and get iron out (like you iron your clothes but in fighting terms it means getting flattened aka knocked tf out) you know what I mean?” Then he said “you seem sweet as (meaning you seem fine about it) but it’s only early days (which means it’s too early to know for sure) I’m sure someone’s gonna glass me in a minute (which means getting a glass bottle smashed over your head which is common in a pub fight)” I hope that makes sense now😂
Football is Tribal. Good spot on David Icke. Football was a working class game (Blue Collar) so raising the prices didn't really mean working class couldn't go to football, it just meant we couldn't get into the ground, didn't stop us travelling to the area. 'going in this boozer (Pub) were likely to get ironed out' KO'd (beaten up) glassed means someone smashing a pint glass in your face and cutting you up with it. Cass Pennant don't live far from me, my daughter went to school with his daughter & were friends. I have seen footage of American 'soccer' fans now doing what we used to do. the man falling out the window has nothing to do with football
I lived in the middle of Newcastle in the 90s-2000's and if there was a match on then it was best to stay home unless you wanted to possibly be in a fight or even the middle of a riot with shop windows getting smashed & cops chasing people around using horses
What you need to understand and I mean this is exactly what Danny duet said in the beginning of Football Factory. We’re an island race. Designed to fight
We can only be grateful that the majority of British people don't also own guns. Sadly, we Brits have been some of the most aggressive people in the world, and sometimes we still are. Our innumerable wars and empire-building channeled this aggression throughout most of our history. But we have had peace, mostly, since 1945. Football hooliganism on a huge scale was the result. 😕🇬🇧😕
"but you've seen sweet times" (vs actual "but you seem '"sweet as" [Sweet As F...]-expression reminded me of Demolition Man where Sandra Bullock's character says "Let's lick his ass!" and Sylvester Stallone had to correct her "That's KICK his ass!" later she jokingly says in the movie "Let's blow this guy!" lol with Stallone following "'AWAY! BLOW THIS GUY AWAY!!!!" lol Anyway, you could probably lose me with a Boston street accent etc so fair play, and I'm sure other's have said, but check out a few of the many movies about this thing, Green Street might be a great start since it's about an American getting caught up in the rush of it all and learning about it, some great performances! Oh and make up your mind mate, one minute not to get violent after a footie match, the next minute telling us to go "grab a mug" :D mug noun [C] (STUPID PERSON) A person who is stupid and easily deceived: "He's such a mug" Cheers as always JJ fella!
He said, are you sure we should walk into this pub? We will get beaten up(ironed out) by this firm(football gang), you seem to be safe in hear(sweet as) but it is early days! I'm sure I'm going to get a pint glass smashed into my face(glassed) in a few minutes. And he ends with only joking.
Wow didn't know about Liverpool's Belgium incident, they did the same in my city at the Hillsborough stadium in 1989, disgusting really people were being crushed to death pushed agasint the wire fences struggling to get air, 97 deaths over 700 injured
Hillsborough and Heysel were totally different situations. Heysel was hooliganism mixed with an unsafe stadium. Hillsborough was crowd mismanagement. The only connection was that the pen design was brought in in the 80s as a reaction to hooliganism which was a problem for most British clubs.
Ok but when did I say the events of both disasters went down the exact same way? By the same I merely meant a whole lot of people died and got injured at BOTH incidents... I know they are different situations Ty very much, everybody does they didn't even happen in the same country
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25:40 Cockney translation "Are you sure? We are going to walk in this boozer (pub) and end up getting ironed out (beaten up) by this little firm. (by the hooligans in the pub). But you seem sweet as (you seem nice) but it is early days yet, you know what I mean? I'm sure somebody is going to glass me (hit me around the head with a pint glass) in a minute.... only joking" The Burnley lad says nowt just the odd "reet" (right)
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Danny "Lovable Twat" Dyer was saying... "I do hope that in partaking of refreshments in this fine establishment we don't run into any unpleasantness with the local ruffians"
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Thank you for the translation 😂
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"..are you sure we're not gonna walk in this boozer and get ironed-our by this little firm,
"but, you seem sweet as [ a nut ] but it's early days.
"but, I'm sure someone's gonna glass me anyway, only joking..."
Translation to RP
...one wasn't sure that walking into this fine drinking establishment that this small, tight-knit group of gentlemen might strike me down, but, you seem like a fine fellow, one does get the feeling that he may get struck before the evening ends, I surely jest...
We haven't had organised football hooliganism for nearly 30yrs in the UK after massive police operations to disband/arrest/jail the leaders. But across the EU it has exploded in numbers over recent years , and yet all we hear about is UK hooligan's.
Too right.
No one ever made films about Polish hooligans.
Lol, blaming the EU for what absolutely nobody in the EU is saying because some American reacts to history?
Farage and Johnson lied to you!
@@pieterpopster5549 He isn't blaming the EU. He is noting that other European countries have the problem but this is ignored.
@@def_not_dan Exactly. So our perceptions of reality are determined by what others decide to show us on screens.
The reason football violence went quiet in the 90s was due to the rave scene. Everyone was popping pills(ecstacy) and hugging each other.
Now they're doing coke and ......
That's just a tired stereotype
I think people were mostly doing the pill popping in the 60’s it became part of the flower power. Psychedelic drugs LSD, mushrooms and the like
Its true, ICF started doing security and taking over doors. I witnessed it twice, Crowland Road, Tottenham, the original Labyrinth, and Echos, underneath the Bow fly over. No point getting nicked and birded, when you can make easy money.
Facts
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No, glassing is when someone stabs you in the face with a broken beer glass, you lose an eye, half your teeth, and a huge chunk of flesh from your face. I once worked with a victim.
West ham v millwall or millwall v west ham.. carnage!! Oh so happy memories. And the scars to prove it.. COYI.
COYI
In my neighbouring town we have the Atherstone Ball Game. Its been played on Shrove Tuesday since 1199. The first game was played between two counties as it sits on the border of Warwickshire and Leicestershire. Now its played between pub teams and for charity. It involves the whole of the High Street being boarded up and the winning team normally drags the ball away and stabs it. Well worth checking it out.
I'm pretty local to Atherstone but never been. Looks absolutely bonkers.
@CyanideSalem it is! My Gran first took me when I was 5. She took part until I'm guessing she was in her late 60's and she stood at 5 foot tall.
@@nigelrobinson8540 Bless her, bet she was hard as nails
I think he reacted to that in a previous video 😊
Some of the clips are from the movie, The Green Street Hooligans staring Charlie Hunam, and Elijah Wood.
The late 70’s and 80’s were insane for it, my old man has told me some absolutely brilliant stories
Proper hooliganism has pretty much does out in the UK now, but it’s still going strong in Eastern Europe
The Eastern Europeans are insecure that’s why the Russians got padded up in case the English beat them up. The Russians even had gum shields 😂 the English have come away from hooliganism, it was the 80’s when it was at its height
You say ‘brilliant’ I say dickheads
It is David Icke - he was a goalkeeper and after a sports reporter - before becoming the son of the god head 😂
Anyone want to see what a glassing is watch the scene in train spotting where Begbie glasses someone.
20 years ago my right ear was bitten off on Derby between Manchester United and Manchester city fans and i don't like football,
5:40 "...England would go to war..." - Nope. England did no such thing. Britain went to war.
Funny that you joke about if England and Germany played football against each other there wouldn't have been World Wars. "Late on Christmas Eve 1914, men of the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) heard German troops in the trenches opposite them singing carols and patriotic songs and saw lanterns and small fir trees along their trenches. Messages began to be shouted between the trenches.
The following day, British and German soldiers met in no man's land and exchanged gifts, took photographs and some played impromptu games of football. They also buried casualties and repaired trenches and dugouts. After Boxing Day, meetings in no man's land dwindled out."
Also it was 'frowned upon' by many officers and the high commands of both sides basically gave orders to stop it happening again (though it did on a small scale) as it could 'undermine the fighting spirit'. Maybe that 'undermining' might have been a better kind than the one practiced by sappers during the war, and helped end it sooner with less loss of life!
All sounds very romantic and all, but there's simply not enough evidence to say that any game of football took place during the armistice.
@@David_Bower There is some evidence football was played, Just not on a mass scale portrayed. I believe there was a match played somewhere on the belgium frontline. With Soilders from England and Germany writing about it.
@@jackgoldbridge3403 You can't claim in all certainty that a game of football took place, a brief kick around of some sort perhaps, but it would be dishonest to say a football match took place.
They didn't "dwindle out", they were expressly banned by commanding officers because they felt that 2 armies realising they had more in common with each other than they did with the Generals would probably create some PROBLEMS for the ruling classes of their respective countries.
Boozer=pub,ironed out=knocked unconscious,sweet as(sweet as a nut)= you’re a good guy,glassed=broken beer glass or bottle rammed into face.
It’s a whole subject - Liverpool fans in particular stole sportswear, mostly tennis brands.
At the time, 79, - southerners wore golf gear - Pringle, gabicci snd shoes.
North west was t
Fila, Lacoste, faded jeans and trainers. By 81 both were adopting the clobber of the other.
Hillsborough had nothing to do with hooliganism, but bad crowd control and stadium design; and the police were recently finally forced to apologise for saying that it had.
The video was talking about the Heysel disaster which was Liverpool fans’ faults
Was you there what about the fighting before liverpool fans got anywhere near the ground. Not to say that juventus had guns
there was blame on both sides yes. Juventus I think rushed the Liverpool end first causing a reaction which is where the wall crashed and people got crushed trying to flee@@leswalker4282
@10:10 West Hams Intercity was small, but boy did they have huge balls.
Frodo Baggins was in a movie about the ICF
@18:06 That Frodo right there
I remember vividly my father, uncles, coaches every weekend saying: Football is war, now go get them.
Yes that was david icke. 😂 He was a professional goalkeeper until arthritis stopped his carreer, then a bbc sports newscaster. ❤
Then he decided he was Jesus and that every conspiracy theory was true.
@@aaropajari7058 And made stacks of money from gullible fools
@@SimSim-zf9if Absolutely. It's hard to decide who was worse, him or the people that fell for it.
Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean the King isn't a lizard.
@@Shoomer88I don’t even think Lizards would have been good mates with Jimmy Saville like our king was 🤣
That's nothing, you should see it when my cricket lads get out of hand; cucumber sandwiches and strawberry jam all over the place. It's mental.
lol!
Fun fact. One of Englands old unrepealed laws stats that all aged males should attend their local Butts on a Sunday to practice archery. This is why alot of small greens and areas around England are called "The Butts" The Butt is the target.
Interesting. I assume that's where the term "butt of the joke" comes from?
The subtitles weren't true to what danny dyer was saying, he said "were gonna walk into this boozer (pub) amd get ironed out by this firm, you know what i mean? But you seem sweet as (a nut), but its early days"
The foresters arms pub it’s gone now.
The narrator keeps going on about "working class" but football is classless. In the 80s a major undercover operation rounded up some of the worst firms. The men arrested included accountants, lawyers, stockbrokers and company directors.
We were first because of the union. England, Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland have always fought with each other when there wasnt a war, its why were the best at war.
I went to Chester Vs brackley a few months a go and most of Chester’s fans ran onto the pitch and fought the brackley fans
During the 80s, 90s and early 2000s scotland was second to non for violence with football
That mid 70s Leeds team were hooligans ON the field never mind in the crowd 🤣 Norman 'bites yer legs' Hunter, Billy Bremner, Johnny Giles, Joe Jordan...different game in those days. Every team had their hard men...Ron 'chopper' Harris, Tommy Smith, Dave Mackay etc. Less football and more organised mugging...of course people were going to get riled up.
Good to see Frodo at the football
The movie I.D. starring Reece Dinsdale is a great look at a fictional Firm
Not quite fictional, it based on a undercover police operation at Millwall. James Bannon was the copper involved and wrote the screenplay for the film and also wrote a book about his experiences called Running with the Firm.
I fuccing love you gumbo!!!!
25:50 Dany Dyer translation: "wait, are you sure we're gonna walk into this boozer? We're gonna get ironed out by this little firm. You know what I mean? But you seem sweet as, but it's early days yet. You know what I mean? I'm sure someone's gonna glass me in a bit. Only joking"
He recounting something he said to his, I assume producers, where he thinks he's going to get battered by the people he's interviewing. Then he says the guy seems ok, but he's only just met him and he could be prone to violence
12:54 that is david icke
Luckily in the UK, hooliganism has mostly died out. My Dad has told me football grounds in the 80s were warzones. Unfortunately, ultra and hooligan culture has been massively adopted in Europe - mostly Eastern European countries.
Nearly 50 Legia Warsaw fans were arrested for rioting outside Villa Park the other night. Dont think there's a place for it in the modern sport.
Wrong yer dad's clueless it's, getting nawty again plus it's fuelled with cocaine.
Folk are sick of the anti white American narrative in Britian it's cringe n sad af. The English are WHITE. They are an ethnic group
Lived in Poland for a while; everyone told me to stay inside when there was a match on, because it will kick off.
@OpinionatedMonk Since posting this comment, UEFA have banned Legia Warsaw fans from attending the next 5 away games and fined them £86,000. They have also been ordered to contact Aston Villa and pay them for damages caused by fans.
I don't get it and I never will, I love going to the football in England nowadays. You see families there, not just grown men looking for a fight.
@@Tomc_vodslam It was instilled into me as a kid in the 80's and 90's that footy was a no-go. I've never been to a match in my life. Which is fine as I don't like the game anyways - much prefer cricket!
Yes it was David Icke. In a previous life he was a BBC sports presenter.
no he didnt say that but you did get it right
By time the other European clubs had proper hooligans the proper UK hooligans had already been convicted and banned from going to Europe . So the English people going over were less violent people and they started to get battered by the European clubs
Hi JULA. It IS possible to avoid trouble with a combination of luck, judgment, common sense, and instinct.
I have supported, arguably, the team with the most notorious set of fans: MILLWALL for over 60 years since the first of 1,770, matches that I have attended and never been involved in any trouble and I went to 84 different Away grounds, all over England, mostly in the "Wild West" days of the 1970s/1980s though, admittedly I did have some calls against Manchester United and at Chelsea, Cardiff, Bolton and Oldham amongst others...I have a season ticket though I enter my 8th decade next year😀😀
"close calls"..
No firm was on the level of the Birmingham Zulu’s
@@cnreidy They were 5th behind the likes of Millwall,West Ham,Leeds and The 'ardiff!
27:34 ive been to matches where people are giving out their phone numbers to the opposite teams fans by holding up their fingers for their pjone numbers so they can meet up after and have a scrap
You reading terribly misheard autocorrect captions of cockney slang had me rolling on the floor 😂
My son is 28 now. I was a single mother. I was afraid to take him to a football match even though he played for a kids team of a big club and was a ball boy for them. The scouts saw him play and recruited him. I used to have massive anxiety when he went to the matches. When he decided he didn’t want to play anymore I was so happy!!!
That's why we're not allowed guns
And we don’t want our schoolchildren regularly getting slaughtered by some weirdo
That's why we can't have nice -things- guns.
Trying to make sense of Danny Dyer was comical.
Only those from that manor (area,borough,patch) would get it all.
Undercover police wouldn’t get it.
did you just miss Elijah Wood sitting next to a guy in a Stone Island jacket? Guessing that's from that film :)
I read We Hate Humans* by David Robins and the most interesting thing I took from it was the National Front tried to recruit from football hooligans.
When the NF attempted to attack an Anti-Fascist march - who didn't turn up - the hooligans turned on the NF skinheads for a fight.
* a Manchester United chant from the time.
In AD59 the Roman games were banned in Pompeii for 10 years after a violent riot between 'fans' of Pompeii and visiting Nocera ...
Wow. Was it the forerunner to The European Cup? Pompeii from Hampgire v Norcera. I wonder who qualified for the next round?
Our local football team in the 1990s encouraged more family attendance by giving tickets at much reduced prices to family groups. Hence I spent many hours freezing in a stadium so my children could go to the match 😊
"That's not gunna hold people, that's only gunna hold chickens" 🤣
There is a mob football match that is still played today is Royal Shrovetide Football, played in the streets of Ashbourne, Derbyshire. My dad grew up there but he was too young to play but its a huge event were literally the whole town closes to watch hundreds of people fight over a ball. Love it 👍
I'm from Derbyshire and I keep meaning to go and watch it..
@@paulvickers3800 you should 😊👍
I got slashed across the back and needed 38 stitches after a Newcastle vs Sunderland game and I wasn’t even at the game I’d been shopping I don’t even follow football I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Your interpretation of Danny Dyer was priceless lol.
Those subtitles weren't translating well at all, he said 'Are you sure we're going to walk into this boozer(pub)? We're going to end up getting ironed out(flattened) by this little firm(gang) you know what I mean? But you seem sweet as(calm/relaxed) but it's early days yet, you know what I mean? I'm sure someone's going to glass me(hit with glass or glass bottle), only joking'.
I always used to say can you imagine tennis hooligans or golf hooliganism? 😂😂 It only seems to suit football.
You had a fight in the stands at Australian Open before some 10 years or so when Djokovic faced some Croatian player, I think Cilic. Serbs and Croats fought each other at and around the tennis court...
Swimming hooligans.
So your comment about uniting Europeans with freindly competition that was the point if the Eurovision song contest
18:07 At this moment, we realised you look like Elijah Wood
This problem led to the Hillsborough disaster, because fences were erected between the fans & the pitch. Lots of people were penned in at Hillsborough, & 96 were killed in the crush. These football gangs often rampaged through towns causing chaos, & had to be corralled to games by the police. All seated stadiums have reduced much of this.
Absolute ignorance. It was found by the courts donks ago it was police that were responsible and not the fans.
@@jmillar71110 I don't think he was saying that it was fans at the game, but the culture of football violence in general that led to fans being dangerously caged in at matches. The incompetence of the police, and organisational failures, contributed to what was a tragedy waiting to happen.
24:01 you can still drink alcohol but not in view of the pitch. So basically you can still get shit faced!
Tribalism exists in religion, as nationalism, in politics, skin colour, etc, etc.
Some people feel the need to belong to a group , different from other group identities.
It’s one reason why I’ve always been worried to take my kids to a footy match because of the fighting but it’s calmed down loads now 😂
23:46 they don’t ban it totally you just can consume on the view of the pitch
It doesn’t apply to non-league football so I have witnessed bad scraps at bath city etc
There is an omission here. The Hillsborough disaster of 1989. The police sent Liverpool fans into overcrowded pens, causing a horrendous squash which caused 97 deaths.
Now, I have always loathed Margaret Thatcher and everything she stood for. She deliberately got 'respectable' people to demonise football fans. I remember that football fans were treated like scum; a result of this was putting fences between the fans and the pitch, which caused the awful squash.
And then, with the encouragement of the Government, they blamed the fans for Hillsborough, saying they caused it because they were drunk! It took nearly 30 years for the truth to come out.
That was not the only incident were the measures put in place to combat hooliganism caused a worse result. By the time of the Bradford City fire it had become typical practice at football matches to lock the turnstiles shortly after kick-off until well into the second half (last 20 mins or so...or later**). Most of the deaths at Bradford were around the turnstiles...people burnt to death because they could not get out to escape the fire.
**It was also quite common, if it was thought a game might get a bit spicy, where one set of supporters, often home supporters, would be retained in the ground for a few minutes whilst the away supporters were quickly marshalled by police and ground staff on to coaches and whisked away from the ground. (or vice versa - away support kept in until the majority of the home crowd had dispersed...I presume it was so it was easier to police the stragglers hanging about looking to start trouble)
It's both ironic and tragic that methods put in place to combat the hooliganism caused many more deaths than the hooligans ever did.
And everybody went to prison.....as per usual.
Going to matches during the 80s and 90s crazy dayz. Great times.
Does spectating a war do as much to expend aggression as fighting in one?
Great reaction. Extremely perceptive. Play brutal doom if you like a good game. An old game but still the best. I just subscribe as well.
There's even a movie with Elijah wood 😂
I remember as a kid in the Blackburn end at Rovers when Bolton stormed it. Crapped my pants but I was only a little kid, maybe 10, so was left alone with my mates to cower in a corner amidst the ensuing carnage. Happy memories
Nowhere near the same issue nowadays happy to say all fans are welcome I. Newcastle city centre on match days had many of pints with away fans and had great craic
I was only talking about casual fashion originating from football fans, last night. My mate wouldn't have any of it. He wore all the clothes and still does to a degree.
This got to a point that European countries police forces started working together. They had undercover police within the hooligans to identify the fire starters and many times, and most times they were arrested even before boarding the plane to, Portugal let’s say, or at the least they were identified and arrested as soon as they arrived in the country of destination. That also made the police riot officers to be turned into specialised units within the police, instead of just regular police with riot gear. And new functions also came up like the police spotters. Some stadiums even had pits around the stadium creating one more barrier between fans and pitch. They were crazy times. This still happens everywhere but in a smaller scale.
All seater stadiums certainly helped , but also harsher penalties, and banning from stadia, certainly got rid of the problem, thank God.
😂 you do make me laugh, bless ur heart.
"Glassing" is a broken glass in the face, not a pint over the head.
Glassing is literally a pint glass over the head, always has been, you whopper
No it isn’t, as per replies above
For context danny said that he was worried about "going in the boozer and we're gunna get ironed out, you know what i mean?" Basically he was worried about going in the boozer (the pub) and getting ironed out (flattened/knocked out) but he said he wasnt worried about the guy he was talking to because he seemed alright, but he was worried about getting glassed by someone else! Hope that helps! Cockney accent is a difficult one, i had to listen to it again and im from the south east of England!
Interesting fact and I’m not sure if this is still true but in some parts of England we are still technically required to practice archery every Sunday after church. This law is clearly not enforced
As a child in the 1960s I very occasionally went to a football match. In those days the best place to be was on the terraces. These were tiered areas where people stood. There was, usually a waist high metal bar at the edge of each terrace that you could lean on. Often children would be lifted onto these so they could see the game.
There was a lot more atmosphere on the terraces and usually a good sense of community there. Anybody misbehaving was soon stopped or thrown out by the other fans. This all changed with the rise of organised groups of hooligans.
When it even gets a mention in FIFA, you know it's a big deal. Alex Hunter's dad in the Journey mode had a few lines about fighting so yes, EA slid a hooligan reference in and managed to somehow get it through with no changes. Somehow.
EPL did not care, apparently. NFL would be throwing a fit about it if that was crowd trouble in their precious league
If you want to see what the origonal game of 'football' was like check out the Atherstone Ball game 2023, which shows the violent nature of the game, it was first played in 1199, there have been deaths in this game but generally broken limbs, eye gouging etc etc, it's a real eyeopener ;)
Another, often overlooked factor, is that changes in the way football was played meant that the game itself was less violent, leading to vented frustration among fans. Witness rugby where violence on the piitch dissipates it among those watching. At rugby grounds, fans intermingle and are allowed alcohol. Says it all, really!
UK football violence is massively overexaggerated. I've been going to matches since I was 8 in 1994, and could count on one hand how many times I've seen violence.
Even at the time, I doubt my parents would've took me somewhere that violence would happen
Well you missed it by a few years then,it was at it's peak in the late 70s and 80s. By 94 it still went on but nothing like a few years before.
Also a lot of the fights didn't take place at the grounds,it was organised between the rival firms and they'd meet up away from the police and prying eyes and fight
It had finished in and around stadiums by 1994. That's why you never witnessed any.
@@rogermellie8068 I know. I mean it’s exaggerated in the modern game. Some people talk about it as though it’s still the 70s
Yes- that was David Icke!!! Good spot!
The Danny Dyer subtitles you were reading were largely incorrect - that wasn't what he was saying half the time, so it made no sense!. Basically he was worried they were going to get beaten up....
Growing up in the '70's everyone not interested in football knew to keep out of the city centre when there was a 'Home Game' for the locl pofessional football team. The police hated to be rostered to be doing a shift at the football on a Saturday afternoon. Things are much better today, and it's common for people to take young families to the game, as it's usually pretty safe. When thee is trouble it often centres around the fans of visiting Easten European Teams - though not always.
This was very interesting, being a tenager in England in the 80's was very confusing working out what was going on, and being a Liverpool fan, utterly bewildering. I just loved football, playing and watching. My peanut teenage brain couldn't work out WTF was going on... Thanks for the video.
Danny was saying 26 mins in “we’re gonna walk in this boozer (another word for pub) and get iron out (like you iron your clothes but in fighting terms it means getting flattened aka knocked tf out) you know what I mean?” Then he said “you seem sweet as (meaning you seem fine about it) but it’s only early days (which means it’s too early to know for sure) I’m sure someone’s gonna glass me in a minute (which means getting a glass bottle smashed over your head which is common in a pub fight)” I hope that makes sense now😂
It took like 20 videos but I finally figured out who you remind me of - Hayden Christensen. At least the top half of your face. 🤣🤣
Football is Tribal. Good spot on David Icke. Football was a working class game (Blue Collar) so raising the prices didn't really mean working class couldn't go to football, it just meant we couldn't get into the ground, didn't stop us travelling to the area. 'going in this boozer (Pub) were likely to get ironed out' KO'd (beaten up) glassed means someone smashing a pint glass in your face and cutting you up with it. Cass Pennant don't live far from me, my daughter went to school with his daughter & were friends. I have seen footage of American 'soccer' fans now doing what we used to do. the man falling out the window has nothing to do with football
I find it hard to believe you ever had a warrior rage. Not unless you were on the recieving end of it.
yo... Frodo alert at 18 mins.. 9 seconds... didnt know he was a hooligan....lol
I lived in the middle of Newcastle in the 90s-2000's and if there was a match on then it was best to stay home unless you wanted to possibly be in a fight or even the middle of a riot with shop windows getting smashed & cops chasing people around using horses
Yeah mate, Dave, keep going
What you need to understand and I mean this is exactly what Danny duet said in the beginning of Football Factory. We’re an island race. Designed to fight
Hes going to walk in this boozer ( pub ) he was worried he'd get beaten up and somone useing a broken glass as a weapon.
I'm West Ham we was always in the most part shit but wanted to be the top firm in the 70s 80s..I'm now 65 inside it never leaves you..
We can only be grateful that the majority of British people don't also own guns.
Sadly, we Brits have been some of the most aggressive people in the world, and sometimes we still are.
Our innumerable wars and empire-building channeled this aggression throughout most of our history. But we have had peace, mostly, since 1945.
Football hooliganism on a huge scale was the result. 😕🇬🇧😕
The acid house rave scene and ecstasy ended the football hooligan scene.
it's a shame the video glossed over the Hillsborough Disaster. for follow up you should check that out.
"but you've seen sweet times" (vs actual "but you seem '"sweet as" [Sweet As F...]-expression
reminded me of Demolition Man where Sandra Bullock's character says "Let's lick his ass!" and Sylvester Stallone had to correct her "That's KICK his ass!"
later she jokingly says in the movie "Let's blow this guy!" lol with Stallone following "'AWAY! BLOW THIS GUY AWAY!!!!" lol
Anyway, you could probably lose me with a Boston street accent etc so fair play, and I'm sure other's have said, but check out a few of the many movies about this thing, Green Street might be a great start since it's about an American getting caught up in the rush of it all and learning about it, some great performances!
Oh and make up your mind mate, one minute not to get violent after a footie match, the next minute telling us to go "grab a mug" :D
mug noun [C] (STUPID PERSON) A person who is stupid and easily deceived: "He's such a mug"
Cheers as always JJ fella!
He said, are you sure we should walk into this pub? We will get beaten up(ironed out) by this firm(football gang), you seem to be safe in hear(sweet as) but it is early days! I'm sure I'm going to get a pint glass smashed into my face(glassed) in a few minutes. And he ends with only joking.
Wow didn't know about Liverpool's Belgium incident, they did the same in my city at the Hillsborough stadium in 1989, disgusting really people were being crushed to death pushed agasint the wire fences struggling to get air, 97 deaths over 700 injured
Hillsborough and Heysel were totally different situations. Heysel was hooliganism mixed with an unsafe stadium. Hillsborough was crowd mismanagement. The only connection was that the pen design was brought in in the 80s as a reaction to hooliganism which was a problem for most British clubs.
Ok but when did I say the events of both disasters went down the exact same way? By the same I merely meant a whole lot of people died and got injured at BOTH incidents... I know they are different situations Ty very much, everybody does they didn't even happen in the same country
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I remember when they started to ban newspapers because people would role them up really tight and use them as battons 😂
You should watch the vice video "a day with america's only football hooligan" its hilarious
25:40 Cockney translation "Are you sure? We are going to walk in this boozer (pub) and end up getting ironed out (beaten up) by this little firm. (by the hooligans in the pub).
But you seem sweet as (you seem nice) but it is early days yet, you know what I mean? I'm sure somebody is going to glass me (hit me around the head with a pint glass) in a minute.... only joking"
The Burnley lad says nowt just the odd "reet" (right)