Is ME/CFS Curable? Ronald W. Davis' Lecture at the 2023 Fatigatio Symposium
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Ronald W. Davis, PhD, Chair of Open Medicine Foundation (OMF)'s Scientific Advisory Board & Director of the ME/CFS Collaborative Research Center at Stanford University discusses the question, "Is ME/CFS Curable?" at the 2023 Fatigatio Symposium held in Berlin Germany.
I pray to God that Ron Davis has a long healthy life, so he can see his son Whitney cured of this terrible disease. Thank you to all the people working on this and all the sponsors and donors. God bless you all!
I hope he stops eating animal proteins as they cause inflammation of the endothelial cells lining the blood vessels, causing plaques to build up, i.e. cardiovascular disease
@@brobinson8614well I no I began and it's surely made her worse natural organic protein from beef keeps me going
@@brobinson8614to be truthful yes it maybe does that but my grea uncle 94 best way to die hardening of arteries in old age
@@brobinson8614, no….carbs do that.
@brobinson8614 hijacking a comment for your own pet issue is scummy
Ron is a living legend and it’s shameful that the NIH hasn’t invested more in his crucial work on ME/CFS.
I had severe ME/CFS and was cured by trying hard not to do anything which crashed me (to do this I had to rely on others for a lot of help), slowly though I got better. It probably took me 4 to 5 years (maybe 6) until I was in full remission and during that fully cured time I was out running marathons, I did a 100km trail blazer marathon and lasted 90km before I had to stop due to a groin injury and hypothermia. I did that without a ME/CFS crash so was in full remission from this illness.
I was cured until I caught what was a common cold going around after 3 years of complete wellness and that to my shock crashed me back into ME/CFS so now I'm have to rely on others for hep again and use support workers to push my wheelchair and help me with so much else.
Im in Sth Australia and sadly now have had ME/CFS almost half of my life.
I hope you recover again. ❤
How were u cured????? Diet ,,,rest. Explain
Please tell us more about your first recovery. What did you exactly do? I had the same in 2013 due to antibiotic allergy. I recovered after 5 months. I rested a lot and ate nutrient dense foods
I had a very similar experience: severe ME/CFS for 3 years then gradually recovered (without any specific treatment/plan/action). Then enjoyed 15 very active years of full health, including running ultramarathons. Then a virus triggered something? and I've been stuck with moderate ME/CFS for another 8 years now, with no signs of improvement. My *guess* is that the lucky few who recover from ME/CFS do so entirely spontaneously, but often attribute their recovery to 'something' such as a unique supplement, or activity, or expensive treatment. More research will eventually give us the actual answer!
Thanks for sharing, so what I understood from your experience is we can go into remission and return to normal life, but it could always come back if we get another infection. Did you first have it as a teenager or as an adult?
Someone actually taking ME/CFS seriously and not trying to sell the backwards idea that we're just lazy or depressed or attention seeking; it's a legit illness with real triggers and an illness can be at least treated if not cured.
The possibility of a cure though is amazing. But first we require more people in the medical community to understand it's a real and legitimate illness.
Bless this gentleman and others working on figuring out what this illness is and what to do about it.
If avoiding crashes is all there is to getting cured, the solution is simple for chronic fatigue and something the entire world around us never wants to allow - - that all important REST, not working beyond your limits, *listening to your body's cues*. We aren't allowed these freedoms. We must always produce, you know? "Keep going. Everybody is tired." That's what you hear when you try to communicate that you just can't keep up the pace demanded of us all. You literally work until you collapse, day after day after day. It honestly, makes for a truly miserable life.
I'm thrilled medicine is finally getting to the bottom of this. You can't tell people that the cells in your body just don't make energy. They don't get it. We should all just be able to will ourselves over that physiological hurdle because 'mind over matter'. If you can't see you, you won't believe it mentality. Magical thinkers are everywhere in your little world of hard physical limits.
Agree. I cringe when people tell me my problem is watching medical videos or even talking about my disease, because it cements it into my reality. If only I understood that I am creating my own reality and should just leave all this sickness stuff behind me. Toxic positivity and magical thinking.
I completely agree colleagues, it is sad that I visited the hematologist because my anemias have returned and I wonder if I read about chronic fatigue on the Internet or a doctor told me 🤷 luckily I am diagnosed by doctors but it seems sad to me, thank you to all these people who understand that it is not a simple fatigue and help us as the OMF team🙏
@@melaniavxzq2983You can try drinking buy batches of nettle leaf tea ( not in teabags) every day, it restored my iron deficiency.
You hit the nail on the head. ❤
@@laurabone3228It is very true however, that excessive obsession over your illness makes it worse.
You have to believe that you will be healthy.
Thanks Ron - and all involved at OMF and its research partners - for all you're doing, I really hope this line of research bears fruit!
Thank you so much for encouraging news. Blessings from Norway.
I have Severe ME/CFS & was just able to read a book for the first time in over ten years in book form ...it was the puzzler solver... God Bless the Entire Dafoe/ Davis Family ❤❤❤ ... Wait'in on Superman 🎶🎵
Dear Ron and OMF Team, thank you for everything you are doing, tirelessly... we all really appreciate your hard work 🙏. God bless you and strength to persevere to all, especially courageous patients. Let's keep going and stay strong in spirit🦋
Thank you for giving me hope! I’ve been sick for nearly 30 years. I was functioning but disabled when I got COVID and spent 6 months bedridden. Then I woke up one day and my brain was clear. That was six weeks ago and I’ve been regaining my functioning since. So I have experienced both the ongoing illness and the spontaneous recovery(just from the COVID part). I’m working to get back to my previous disabled level. I’ve noticed that people who get sick and have people to take care of them seem to get all better in two years. Your theory makes so much sense! ❤
Thank you so much for trying to help us!!! It means the world ❤
this is incredibly encouraging... thank you so much Dr Davis for all your wonderful work...
Pr. Ron Davis - you are my hero! God bless you and your family. I have so much hope now!
Thanks to the OMF-team, keep up the good work. Updates like these are greatly appreciated.
Mis oraciones para todos los enfermos e investigadores. Especialmente para el doctor Davis y su esposa e hijo. Dios los bendiga abundantemente. Desde Argentina 😚😚😚😚
The more I learn the more I realise we also need to be looking at Mast Cell Activation. This seems to be so important but so missed.
Thank you for your dedication in researching M.E/CFS
Your research findings are comforting. I live in hope for a cure 🙏🏻
Thank you for all you do for our population…..hope is so important when you’re not believed
Thanks Ron + OMF team. Let's solve this!
A true hero.
Thank you Ron and all involved in this research. Your hard work is greatly appreciated.
JAK-STAT path is tightly connected to the insulin pathway (PI3K/AKT).
which means that insulin-resistance/hyperinsulinaemia will activate JAK-STAT and VICE VERSA!
targetting insulin resistance (fasting / ketogenic diet) is the way to go!
I don't know if this happens to you, but if I fast I go to the ground with a lot of dizziness and fainting, rather it gives me hypoglycemia, at least in my case. Have you tried that diet and has it worked well for you? Thank you very much 🤗
@@melaniavxzq2983 Yes, I eat ketogenic and plant-free and I do occasionally fasting for several days to weeks. Sometimes I do time-restricted-eating (when eanting, of course).
If you go hypoglyceamic while fasting it is a sign that your insulin is high / you are insulin resistent. You need to start slowly.
Also, you need to watch your electrolytes...
I definitely think you are onto something, it would help millions of people all around the world. Super exciting!
Thank you so much. I've been so excited by the itaconate shunt hypothesis. But the previous videos on it didn't mention the potential reactivation of the innate immune system through crashes which is what I've been waiting to hear. It coincides very much with my experience of the disease which is why I try to avoid crashes at all costs - this has worked very well for me and I've seen great results by doing this. I also knew that if I fell into Very Severe ME, the crashes would be impossible to avoid and would perpetuate the disease keeping me trapped in it ( I was very close to it at one point). So, hearing this so clearly explained is wonderful. The best news. It gives me great hope. Thank you, thank you, thank you xx
how did you avoid crashes ?
Hi Ron I recovered from many years of severe CFS. I could hardly walk around the house. Now I can do intense exercises and mountain hikes no issues.
How did you do it?🙏🙏🙏
Was it spontaneous?
What helped you?
How did you recover?
Yes, how.... please
Those of us who are severe and bedbound are so desperate for a cure. Today, I can barely find the energy to breathe and cannot listen to this video 😢 Can someone please sum up?
The short version of the video says that under normal circumstances, your body has a cycle that produced energy via an amino acid called ATP. After pretty much a bunch of different traumas/illnesses the body can change this cycle due to a cascade of effects that makes your body run (poorly) and no longer uses ATP correctly. He discussed instances where people have recovered due to the body switching back to the normal ATP cycle, but these are not results from studies, only anecdotal evidence. At this stage, they are searching for already approved drugs that may prevent the body from switching into the altenative cycle and allowing people to avoid the fatigue/energy loss. Hope that helps you.
It's encouraging to hear many get to a better place in their lives. Thank you for everything you and your team are doing. Prayers going out for your son.
Thank you Doctor. More avenues to explore in a hope of being cured 😊
Thank you very much for your dedication. Things are beginning to show promise thanks to you and your colleagues. The thought of a real cure is exhilarating.
Thank you so much for this excellent information. Blessings for you and your family and your beloved, precious son.
Thank you so much for your efforts! On sunday I have been ill in this sickness for 10 years and that is most of my childrens childhood. This give me hope for the future! Thank you🙏🏼💙
26 years for me but more fybromyalgia now which is symptoms in of CFS are you hypermobile it's linked to asperger's ADHD Dr lenz
Thank God we have you and your team trying to figure this out
Long Covid since 2019 the fatigue is just the worst xxx
Ask your MD about this...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33807280/
It seems to better long covid patients, at least... I hope? 🌸
What are you talking about? Covid only started in 2020.
@@-TheRealThing- It's called COVID-19 because it was discovered in 2019
There are several mast cell diseases that can have the same symptoms, triggers and PEM as Long-COVID and ME/CFS. Associated diagnoses are also the same as in ME/CFS.
Mast cell diseases can be treated with medication. These diseases are unknown to almost all doctors.
Mast cell diseases have genetic causes.
• Hereditary alpha-tryptasemia syndrome (HαT) common in 5% of the population discovered in 2016. Most have not become ill from the syndrome.
• Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) assumed very common 17% to 20% of the population. Given its name in 2007, most people have not fallen ill from the syndrome.
• Systemic mastocytosis (SM) very rare.
Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) is linked to Long covid.
Scientific articles at NCBI.
• Covid-19 hyperinflammation and post-Covid-19 illness may be rooted in mast cell activation syndrome
• Immunological dysfunction and mast cell activation syndrome in chronic COVID
• Mast cell activation syndrome and the link with chronic COVID
• Mast cell activation symptoms are prevalent in Long-COVID
• Mast cell activation is associated with post-acute COVID-19 syndrome
• Mast cell activation may explain many cases of chemical intolerance
• The Emerging Role of Mast Cells in Irritable Bowel Syndrome
• Mast Cells, Neuroinflammation and Pain in Fibromyalgia Syndrome
• Mast Cell Activation Disorder and Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome: A Clinical Association
• The relationship between mast cell activation syndrome, postural tachycardia syndrome, and Ehlers-Danlos syndrome
• Mast cell-mediated neuroinflammation may have a role in attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)
• The role of mast cells in migraine pathophysiology
• The role of human mast cells in allergy and asthma
• Mast cell activation disease: An underappreciated cause of neurologic and psychiatric symptoms and diseases
• Successful Treatment of a Patient With Severe COVID-19 Using an Integrated Approach Addressing Mast Cells and Their Mediators
• MCAS: what is Mast Cell Activation Syndrome? - Online interview
• The Role of MCAS in Long Covid With World Leading Specialist Dr Lawrence Afrin
• Here's How You Treat Long Covid | Lessons From MCAS - Dr Tina Peers
• Mast Cell Activation Syndrome: More than “just allergies”
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Dr. Davis, for ALL you do to help those with this disease. ❤ Our loved ones are in a better place and actually have some hope knowing that you’re focused on this.
Thank you for all your work. I was diagnosed in 2016 after years of drs not believing my symptoms.
It's strange, I keep seeing people getting sick with ME around 2015-2016. I wonder if something happened around that year. Very strange.
@@lmnts556stress maybe but it would if been there before any hypomobility?
Thank you again for all the work that you and many more are doing!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Great work! Thanks for the info. Praying for your research team. These videos give me hope. 🙏🏼🤍
Good morning Ron. I started Abilify today, wish me luck.
Hi, did you read that abilify may help you? I also have it
@@spinstersuccess6941 I've heard several researchers say people are having good luck. I believe Ron Davis was one. So far, the best luck I've had was with Savella, it worked great for 3 years. 27 years here. Best of luck.
That's a no, made my muscles hurt horribly and made me emotional.
Thank you very much for your participation and your valuable lecture, Ronald Davis. It was a pleasure to have you as part of the symposium. Best regards, Fatigatio e.V. - Bundesverband ME/CFS
Thank you for all you are doing to research CFS treatment!
Covid triggered it for me
This give me hope that recovery is still possible, even after nearly a decade of this.
But, can we get better and be mild when we pushed too much and ended up severe? I didnt know thats cfs and everybody was saying you have to push through 🤷🏼♀️
Thank you I find your updates the best in the research forums and have hope when reading 😊❤
I’ve had covid twice and for some strange reason my ME/CFS symptoms improve at the beginning of the covid infection.
I also get mini remission for a day when I spike a fever from flu, food poisoning, etc. It's the immune system switching.
@@valentinaruseva7612 Your immune system stop fighting you and starts fighting the foreign infection
@garystaudinger9034 Probably! But I can't prove that I have autoimmunity because all my autoantibodies are fine. I also have chronic EBV and Shingles so I think this is what causes the autoimmunity - a chronic infection.
🙏🙏🙏🙏 thank you for all your efforts. When I saw this video I was so excited and it didn't disappoint. I wish you luck with exploring this further and praying it unlocks this mystery
Is that why we feel improvement when supplementing with sugars like D-ribose? My question would be if in our disease it is easier to obtain ATP from sugars or carbohydrates than from fatty acids and I would also like to ask if a cpt2 or vlcadd style diet low in fat and rich in sugars could help us? Thank you so much for help us 🙏🌹
❤ Thank you for the updates. They give me hope.
This could be the cure for ME/CFS. ATP is also a major problem in Long COVID. Please keep up the great work Doctor Davis and your Amazing Team
Thank you!!!!
I notice that I have more energy when I don’t eat. Obviously, this is not sustainable because I’m a thin person. But it does make me wonder what the hell they’ve done to the food with all the factory farming and whatnot. Glutathione IVs have also been helpful for me, particularly with the migraines.
I have avoided crashes for years at a time simply because ME/CFS is so isolating and limiting. Avoiding crashes has never improved or cured my condition. Going on 21 years with ME/CFS.
Thank you 🙏 ❤
There was an article from 2010 that reported suppression of both adaptive and innate immune responses following spinal cord injury, Held et al., "Impaired immune responses following spinal cord injury lead to reduced ability to control viral infection". I was wondering if the immunosuppression leads to opportunistic viral infection, which then causes ME/CFS in some. Also wondering if people who have recent spinal cord injury should be advised that they could be at increased risk from infections, especially considering current circumstances.
I've been suffering and getting worse for 27 years. I got shingles at 9yrs old then hit with unexplainable pain suddenly at 10yrs old. They first thought it was JRA, then leukemia, Lyme, mixed connective tissue disorder, lupus, MS, and finall back to the unknown. Doctors have all, but given up. I have all the symptoms for ME/CFS. Where can I go or who can I contact to be tested?? It's ruined my work life and getting harder to rebound from. I'm only 38 and feel 90 daily.
I have ME/CFS and I'm in so much pain all the time. Also type 2 diabetes, and chronic acute sleep apnea. Not terribly overweight. But the ME/CFS started first in this whole mess. With all treatments for co existing other condition I still have chronic awful pain. I wish there was something to stop this.
What kind of pain, exactly, are you experiencing, and where is the pain located ? We have noticed that there is more pain after eating certain foods. Are you gluten free ? If you are not, we suggest you begin by avoiding all gluten-containing foods.
I have pain too but I also have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. I take tramadol and gabapentin and it works really well. I do still get that whole body and head ache like when you have the flu.
Ehlers Danlos can cause sleep apnea too, could be something to investigate. I really want to loose weight but it's so hard when sick in bed and food is comfort.
Thanks for all your work kind sir. I think it’s important to note that it’s also highly correlated with connective tissues disorders and POTS and can arise in anyone without any identifiable trigger too. Correct me if I’m wrong but any disease process that makes the body reach aerobic threshold too quickly is likely to cause an ME CFS like condition. I think the disease may be more cardiovascularly related than we think. Also likely most if not all patients have a completely different root cause which would explain some being cure and some not as well certain medications working for some but not others
There are different sub groups of ME, and there will probably not be one medicine, or test, that fits all.
See dr David Systroms research on heart/lung function, PEM, and small-fiber-neuralgy. Systrom is also in the OMF group. 😊
@@frid123 I know it just feels like this research is only focusing on viral aspect when there such strong research supporting the me/cfs/whole umbrella is a hemodynamic issue www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8505270/
Hello Ron, please take a look at the mechanisms bat viruses use for viral reactivation! Short: During flight the mitochondrial stress is so high, innate immunity shuts down to avoid inflammation/NLRP3 and Autoimmunity e.g. Cardiolipin, leading to massive viral reproduction . After a few hours after restoring metabolism the virus reproduction is stopped. In humans, this process leads to crashes
Hi Ron.
I'm not sure if you'll get a chance to read this or not. I was diagnosed with M.E in 2010, and I've had multiple kidney operations since that time.
I noticed that my symptoms are always better for a few days after receiving Saline ( ringers solution) drip. I'm not sure if there's anything to it, but thought I'd pass on the info anyway. Maybe it's something you can test with your son?
Keep up the good work. We're all routing for you! I'm currently testing Cetirizine to see if it has anything to do with the NF-kB pathway.
As I understand it, as a patient not a doctor, taking salty water every day helps with the orthostatic intolerance (which includes several variations of faintness while upright) by tightening blood vessels and thus raising blood pressure. Research has shown most people with ME have some degree of OI, even if they don't actually experience symptoms.. Cort Johnson has info on this in his Health Rising blog.
I don't know what if any the negative effects of this regular salt water intake might be long term, for example on kidneys.. I haven't seen any research addressing any this, and the doctors I've had access to know nothing about it, and unfortunately can't be bothered to find out..
I take about a teaspoonful of salt in a large glass of water daily, and drink plenty more fluids through out the day. OI always worsens if I stop for a day or two.
Hope this helps in some way. :-)
Good advice. I am a journalist researcher. All of us reading, sharing and giving sources, I believe will aid research. If those with the degrees and abilities listen to us!@@papercup2517
I take 1.5tspoons of doctor sarah myhills 'sunshine salt' in 3ltrs o water daily, shes a uk mecfs expert n has hundreds of recovered mecfs clients. I used to follow her protocol religiously, but find i no longer need to as im well on my way. Currently rebuilding fitness, driving, studying biology wiv view to changing career n being self employed, 🤞starting the course spring '24
@@kimwarburton8490did you have much pain are you hypermobile
@@Truerealism747 i have hypermobile joints if thats what ur asking. I was in chronic pain in my body for years before i had MECFS, but id ignored it, accepted it 10-15yrs. MECFS brought about acute audio and light sensitivity such that birdsong made me cry with pain and i lived in the dark, alone. I also had intense headaches/migraines that would last for weeks/months non-stop. I also had such severe brainfog i could not communicate, nor could i understand language for most of a year and when it got better, it would take extreame effort, worse than a foreign language and id often faint from the exertion
Really working on not crashing since spring of 2023... not much of an improvement yet. Perhaps by next spring things will get better?
How are people healing from mind-body work? I’d like to know Dr. Davis’ opinión on that and how it relates to his research.
Thank you to OMF for the molecular biochemistry updates applied to making sense of post-viral chronic health and wellbeing challenges.
Real time considerations, and post-viral experience:
For the adult patient, everything - social expectations, anticipated challenges - is the same; however the patient's ability to address and meet those realities half-way is altered.
Awareness, lacking alertness - a diffuse versus discrete neurocognitive state.
Evolutionary time considerations, and post-viral experience:
Evolution may have incidentally generated this immune mediated altered state...
Afflicted early humans may have self-quarantined away from the group, partly because of a reduced ability to meet everyday realities half-way.
The larger group's genetic character would have moved into the future - thanks to this self-quarantine behavior, provoked by multisystem immune reactions - long before germ theory.
Beyond that, a diffuse character of mind allows a kind of sensory and information overload.
Some of the self quarantined early humans may have survived; because they had enough processing power to make positive sense of the cognitive overload.
These, (self-quarantined), individuals, able to cope and survive, would have become a part of human genetic evolution as well.
Thank you so much Dr. Davis for not giving up!!! My son who is also has a severe ME/CFS for over 6 years, he bedridden and uses feeding tube for nutrition and fluids. We are trying everything under the sun for his cure. I was just wondering if maltase enzyme could help to process the glucose? I was trying to buy it but can't find it anywhere.
ME/CFS can be so many things.
There are several mast cell diseases that can have the same symptoms, triggers and PEM as ME/CFS. Associated diagnoses are also the same as in ME/CFS.
Mast cell diseases can be treated with medication. These diseases are unknown to almost all doctors.
Mast cell diseases have genetic causes.
• Hereditary alpha-tryptasemia syndrome (HαT) common in 5% of the population discovered in 2016. Most have not become ill from the syndrome.
• Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) assumed very common 17% to 20% of the population. Given its name in 2007, most people have not fallen ill from the syndrome.
• Systemic mastocytosis (SM) very rare.
Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) is linked to Long covid.
Scientific articles at NCBI.
• Covid-19 hyperinflammation and post-Covid-19 illness may be rooted in mast cell activation syndrome
• Immunological dysfunction and mast cell activation syndrome in chronic COVID
• Mast cell activation syndrome and the link with chronic COVID
• Mast cell activation symptoms are prevalent in Long-COVID
• Mast cell activation is associated with post-acute COVID-19 syndrome
• Mast cell activation may explain many cases of chemical intolerance
• The Emerging Role of Mast Cells in Irritable Bowel Syndrome
• Mast Cells, Neuroinflammation and Pain in Fibromyalgia Syndrome
• Mast Cell Activation Disorder and Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome: A Clinical Association
• The relationship between mast cell activation syndrome, postural tachycardia syndrome, and Ehlers-Danlos syndrome
• Mast cell-mediated neuroinflammation may have a role in attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)
• The role of mast cells in migraine pathophysiology
• The role of human mast cells in allergy and asthma
• Mast cell activation disease: An underappreciated cause of neurologic and psychiatric symptoms and diseases
• Successful Treatment of a Patient With Severe COVID-19 Using an Integrated Approach Addressing Mast Cells and Their Mediators
• MCAS: what is Mast Cell Activation Syndrome? - Online interview
• The Role of MCAS in Long Covid With World Leading Specialist Dr Lawrence Afrin
• Here's How You Treat Long Covid | Lessons From MCAS - Dr Tina Peers
• Mast Cell Activation Syndrome: More than “just allergies”
Can we help with the studies some how? We who are sick.
I would gladly be used to get information about CFS
🙏♥️🙏
What a legend.
This might explain why some smaller studies in the past saw improvements (no cures!) with interventions that help cell metabolism. Enzymes, co-enzymes, amino acids, high-dose vitamins, that stuff. It might "just" help the body to provide more ATP.
At first glance, it doesn't really seem to explain stuff like orthostatic intolerance or sympathetic overactivity, so maybe there are different subsets of people (that is to say that "CFS" might refer to a few different yet-unknown diseases).
However, strictly avoiding crashes and helping your body as much as possible (good* nutrition, sleep and mental health) definitely helps to at least establish a baseline.
* relative fof everyone
Theres been some other research coming out this year e.g. Prusty and WASF3 protein, would be interested to know what Dr Davis thinks about those things. I got surprising improvements after being stung by a wasp a couple months ago, prior to that I was in a tough situation, with onset of multiple chemical sensitivity and reactions to many foods, also a big increase in mold hypersensitivity. I think I have issues with stomach toxins particularly H2S but I don't know the root cause, for years I had CFS but none of these issues and no periods of extreme stomach bloating reminiscent of SIBO.
And with covid more retriggering so many peoples ME, what are people supposed to do? Is so contagious. It’s scary. No one send to care about preventing infection and what will happen to people with ME?
If we invested in this research early on, we likely wouldn’t have had to deal with long covid as a phenomenon.
Thanks for doing this work. Can you provide a timeline for song updates?
I have a vaccine injury that caused what seems to be ME and I’m afraid if catching ANY infection at this point. I do not want to be bedbound again. I feel like I’m just waiting for the day when it triggers again after some infection or traumatic event and the clock will be reset on any incremental progress. Laying in bed so fatigued as we speak. This gave me some hope but I worry I won’t hear about any updates😢
I’ve only been dealing with this for a few years but I’ve seen some people trapped with ME for decades. It’s really one of the most debilitating things I can imagine honestly.
Didn’t know childbirth can trigger it too. New fear unlocked lol
Yes I got sick when pregnant with my third child and it just got worse for the past 10 years.
If we ever get better I think a quiet, slow paced life would be best for us.
Do we know what the function of the Itaconate pathway is in healthy people?
We are unwell because our environment is unwell. We are living in a toxic soup and at some point it needs to be addressed. There are way too many toxins in the environment. They may not be the root cause in all cases but it’s certainly a factor to consider. The lab report for most municipal water facilities is downright horrific.
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Thank you so very much!
Does this include fibromyalgia?
So what's the strategy for those of us who have no treatment other than symptomatic treatment? I manage mine with Ambien and Tramadol; it gives me 3-4 hours of functional time per day that I use to exercise and keep up the house. I do Jiu Jitsu and supplement with barbell work, so I'm fit, but still very fatigue sick.
Should we be asking our healthcare providers to try specific treatments with us, or do we wait while this is explored further? Keep up the good work, Ron! BEARHUGS!!!
if you can lift weights, exercise and do jui jitsu you don't have mecfs
@@mattsmith4459maybe they have me/cfs, just very mild.
Has anyone looked at the possibility that the mitochondria gene might be compromised? They talk about mitochondria disease but has there been any link to CFS being activated?
Q: Regarding Long Covid, wouldn't viral persistance make blocking interferon alpha production futile?... I certainly hope not...
Does this mean if we take ATP supplements it could help?
So what is the treatment
As an energy healer with 45 yrs. exp., I have had 100% success in getting rid of chronic fatigue with my clients, and also with my daughter who had it for 8 years before I learned about cellular memory and how to tap into it. Then, I found the cause and was able to cure it in 2 days.
Could I get in touch with you to see if you could help me?
He should write I'd down for everyone
I was poisoned by highly toxic chemicals that crossed the placenta when i was a fetus & i was born with MECFS & FM...& a genetic disease...i did get polio from the sugar cube vax & was in an iron lung for 6 weeks which may have added insult to injury...ME isn't all bug related!
Consider more environmental reasons & causes!! 🙏
So i'm guessing i will never know what it's like to be pain & symptom free 😖
Thanx for trying to help ❣️
Hey! I think you may have missed what the video was saying. According to this, ANYTHING that activates the innate immune response could trigger ME?CFS. They even specifically listed non-infection examples. Idk whether you'll even be well, but I hope so. This research can most likely help you just as much as everyone else. They are some of the few researchers actually doing incredible work out there for us.
@@danielturner1891 i wasborn in 1951 & been trying to fix myself since i was 13... i'm fed up waiting for help 😪
This is about cell health and mitochondria health. What about the blood flow issues we see in Long Covid? Especially the hypoxia due to blood flow issues which doesn't allow for enough oxygenated blood to the muscles? Can that also be caused by this? Or are the blood flow issues need to be sought with another cause?
So are you scrapping the Metabolic trap hypothesis?
what does CAD stand for?
So what is the plan from here?
To test the theory, I assume
Im not sure how blocking interferon helps?? Although not cures, substances like immunovir and I believe but could be wrong, ampligen, increase natural killer cell function by increasing natural interferon production. Also several Russian products such as cycloferon which are classed as interferon inducers and they also increase nk function and can help with chronic infections and have improved symptoms in cfsme patients.
So, im intrigued at how blocking interferon alpha will help🤔
Hi Ron. I've manufactured pneumatic exercise equipment that provides a consistent resistance through the exercise repetitions. A clents with Lupus, who's severe condition was triggered by a hysterectomy 16 years ago started doing exercise 14 months ago. Doing 20 min at manageable weights twice a week. After 3 months she chose to stop her chronic meds. Subsequent blood tests showed improved organ function. She has not had a flare-up while continuing her routine for the past 12 months. Where she now does 350 reps at very respectable weights in 25 min. Would you speculate that her body has decided to cooperate during exertion, rather than remain in a defensive mode. Would you consider the myokine released from skeletal muscles being partly responsible for signalling her immune system to move towards normal levels, and improved mitochondrial health? As she now feels energized after 20 min of exercise.
Exercise is very, very tricky with ME/cfs. Most can't exercise at all and even minor exertion (like brushing their teeth) can make them more ill. Many people have tried the exercise approach, only to become more disabled.
The distinction with exercise seem to be to use a modality that is soft and safe. Here software controlled pneumatics may elicit cooperation from the body rather than trigger an adverse response.
@@JohnvanNiekerk-gn5mu. Dave Mayo worked with an elderly man work his leg circulation with a device. Really helped him
@@JohnvanNiekerk-gn5mu Aerobic exercise is definitely unsafe. But like I said, even simple things like brushing teeth or going to the loo can trigger more symptoms. You can't exercise yourself out of this illness. It's complicated. The whole energy metabolism is upside down and inside out.
I wish it was that simple. Maybe you should market it to lupus patients instead.
Low dose psilocybin mushroom therapy may greatly help these patients as well. 🙏 Praying for all those affected. ❤️
I kinda hoped that JAK stat inhibitors are the way to go.😢 But apparently, they are not effective.
Hi, where have you read/heard that they are not effective?
@@WaterDay936 It was said in the video. One person was cured, but the rest didn't. Or saw minor improvements.
Why stop the video mid sentence????
pfizer did it to me
Sorry as part of my ME, I have brain fog, what is the cure? Did I miss it?
There is none. But if itaconate shunt theory is correct, then it might be curable. That's the update. Nothing new, basically
@@AlbaLynxQueen It’s so annoying when we’ve spent years imprisoned in our beds, most of the time, we get our hopes up, when we see thumbnails or headings suggesting a cure has been found, only to find, it’s only nothing more than a hypothesis………. I think they have good intentions but the same, well meaning people, would not tease a dog, knowing they had no way of feeding them………… Please be aware how it may affect us.
I haven't found anything that cure the brainfog, but I alternate between 10 mg NADH, or 10 mg manganese, or 500 mg Benfothiamine.
I don't take all three, just one at the time. It gives me some relief, at least!
I'm not saying it would give relief to everyone, just that it helps me a little bit. 😊
OMF has seen that many severe ME sufferers has a bit low levels of Q10, manganese, selenium, prognenolone (hormone).
Talk to your dr before taking any supplements and make sure it doesn't "collide" with other medicines or diseases.
Take care! 😊🌸
@@nevsart5884the title is literally asking the question «Is ME/CFS curable?». They didn’t say or suggest they have a cure.
How come taking a whole stack of ATP supplements does absolutely nothing?
good question. Did you take pure ATP powder?
It took months for him to tell us the same thing we need a cure now !
A cure? Too much to hope for after all this time. We need a cure.
If you're one of those people who gets a chapped red hiney over people "living on hand-outs," here's how you can help. Bring awareness to chronic illnesses like this, and help fund research for a cure! You think people who have to live on disability WANT to be on disability? It's embarrassing enough trying to apply when you're thinking to yourself "how do I convince someone this is even real when it's completely invisible?"
What does it mean that CAD gets "imported" into the mitochondria. How? 😅
How does this theory tie in with some CFSers improve after having c0vid vax?
Have you determined toxins (endo, actinomycetes, or mycotoxins) as a root cause for some?
The problem is this. Using two terms is really stupid. For cfs does not exist. So if you get on the bus make sure its not a ship. Secondly M.E defines itself. Thirdly yes it is curable. In the sane way that any other auto immune illness is solveable. Ive got more than ten years on the matter Im not a proffesor but I am able to convey the problem in a more understandable manner. The truth is that there are indeed a lot of variations on a theme (causes)because they are not recognised , they are not recognised because no one looks appropriately. Thus its made complex by duff information in the first place. Im listening as I type. The crash is a result of a delay in the automimmune process. Thus if you push yourself at all you embed the illness. The delay in the immune response means sufferers are unable to identify the cause. The cause is always the same exaserbating the oxidative stress and thus the transfer of oxygen glucose and mito chondria. Thus making things worse. People who have the illness should be confined to bed . Because its severity gets worse with medical and individual neglect for lack of sane advice. Overvtime the immune sytem gets worse as it gets more and more exhausted. Medcine should not be given to rectify specifuc issues for you akready have misinformation from the hyperthalamus trying to make sense of its homeostasis , which it is unable yo do. The wrong exhaust gasses in the auto immune reaction replacing carbon dioxide with nitrogen means foggy thinking ...rarher like a diver ..with the bends. My solution was very simple . 12years very very ill. Bed bound ...unable to talk or think coherently from timevto time , black outs from the inflammatory pain . No help or assistance in any way .....I did get further damaged when I was unfortunate enough to land in hospital....never a want ...knowing full well the definitions were all moronic. I was ill from 1999 until well thats hard to decipher. I embarked on a cure in 2012. That failed for one reason and one reason only . By 2015. I had worked out what that was as slow improvements to my health enabled more coherent thinking. For me that was working out how to create interferons that would be able to jump the brain barrier to get at the source of infection. Thats what I did. Inside six weeks I started to get sleep. Normal sleep. Before that it was not skeep it was passing out thru exhaustion .....the coming around. More tired ..as folk will know, than when they thought they fell asleep. The auto immune orocess carries on 24/7. So really why should it not be so. Folk are in deep oxidative stresss. And if you ask any severre sufferere to hold yheir breath you will eill find either they cannot ot they can fir perhaps a second or so. Unless you suffer with this illness proper there is no way to convey its severity however eloquent you are. For the record I chased back uk m.e which goes back to the 1950s. Thats recorded. Its origin proper , shortly prior to that. And the same origin for the usa. They both report historical examples which are red herrings . That goes back to the twenties. Both countries do the same . For the dame reason...you should have consulted Dr Byron Hyde. He was there when they created the horse shit term cfs. Having I cured myself from my own intelligent enquiry . It took 7 years to get normal homeistasis. Thats how damaging this bugger is. The immulogical responses to the body are the sane as any other auto immune issue. The thing that confuses is the dysfunctioning of homeostasis which can be different for each sufferer. This alone ought to be easily recogniseable . So several standards then a mish mash of symptoms. Which incidentky because its not exp lained confuses them further...which again is really really stupid. You would have thought some silly bugger would have worked this out 50years ago. Its only the subderfuge of stupidity that has created this chaos. That and who ......pile of dogs doings.
Can you please tell us exactly how you cured yourself? I read the entire post but there was no mention of what you did and what helped the most. Thanks.
@@peacekeepermoe Well first of all . I worked out the problem over a few years. Because most of it is obvious once you grasp the causations. I tried an approach , that did not work, thou it did help. The bit I missed was killing off the viral cause. So I defined the cure first. Then I applied it , not only that I made sure other sufferers saw what I was doing and why. I didn't want anyone thinking I had some how ate some carrots and got better. The cure is in three parts and must come in chronological order. Because auto immune illnesses are not a poorly tum. So the first thing you must do is stop doing anything at all, that's a response to the reality of how your body is responding to the issues at hand . Thus the first step is to boost your gut boom . That's the first step.....pro biotics and or goats milk cheese ...unpasturised. for that is as close as you will get to human gut biom. The problem being that folk take supplements etc and nothing works . That's because unless your gut and hence your immunity can respond to the problems you are not going anywhere. The amount of time that will take will be variable to person and time with the illness. (If that's what they have). My personal opinion is most folk do not suffer from m.e largely due to the ignorance of its severity and mis information a plenty. My first name is Paul by the way. You will need ginger tea....made from the root ...anything with garlic in and ginseng as the first core needs. Plus you will need to cover the basics in mineral support . Magnesium , zinc , selenium . Vit c , vit d. Pref by nutrition failing that over the counter stuff. Now Most folk . Have no idea of the complexity of the issue. And the majority of that is because they don't have the issue. No proper physical enquiry is made.....something Dr Byron Hyde used to do to define the illness. So have a look at this and take it from there .... Then when you've grasped these fundamental basics we can move on. Before you embark on probiotics you must remove sugars from your diet including an excess in fruits because fructose is an issue. Let me know when you've got this snippet for that's all it is.
My cure which will work. Consists of about twenty pages. Because unless you comprehend what is doing what and why , you will not know either the issues you are supposed to be addressing or your progress. Because you are on your own . You can't go to the doc ....because they will be clueless. If you don't understand the process you will fuck up. If you don't understand what the symptoms imply and or why you will trip up. There are lots of options as to what you take and why. I deciphered the easiest options the cheapest options and thos phyto chemicals that help from whatever source. Thus I referred to the largest info on both the phyto chemicals and eases of access. I did a very comprehensive study in this regard . For example a phyto chemical that may help induce mitochondrial repair. I would chase that chemical down from the plants that contained it . Then chose those that had the greatest density and were of easy access. And cheap. The same with mineral and metallic needs to boost the immune system. Plus you have the issues of some medicinals not suiting a particular person..... This wasn't a cure for me .....this is a generic cure. For every single persons body has the same generic issues . That means some symptoms are ignored ...as they will particular to the individual person and how the hyperthalamus reacts to infection ...This isn't a cure for a poorly head. It's complicated in how I defined best choice of repair. Thus I found myself wasting my own time to folk who haven't got the illness in the first place ....are not auto immune but immune damage , which is very different.
Back surgery & bad divorce, ME since around 1996 to now 2024 & fibromyalgia.