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The White Sox are an original AL team and have been in Chicago since 1901. There are generations of fans that go back way before Jerry Reinsdorf ever came into the picture. I find it reprehensible that he is sandbagging the team while simultaneously trying to hold the city and state hostage (like he did in 1988). Even he himself once said that it is the fans that own the team he is just the current custodian. As a long time fan, I have never seen days as dark as this.
Under his somnambulant regime, they’ve lost 100 or more in a season as often as they did from 1901-1981. Yeah they won a Series in 2005, but kind of like Boston did in 1914 before they became irrelevant duds fairly quick again.
Im starting to see comparisons to Montreal, a city that doesnt support the White Sox. The city population is now under Toronto, the owners are billionaires who are begging for a billionaires. The attendance for some good teams recently is pathetic. A playoff team should draw between 2-3 million fans. St.Louis, Philly, Boston all became 1 team cities, the Yankees dropped from 3 to 1 then back to 2. Your day is coming White Sox, it was nice knowing you.
I’m a Cubs fan but I just realized recently that Chicago has been a two team market longer than any other city. New York lost both of its NL teams after the 1957 season and from 1958-1961 the Yankees were the only team in NYC.
nah, the owner is part of the tribe. The bigger issue is him pushing the DEI to get up the team's ESG score...to secure those future loans/free money from Blackrock's access to the US mint.
These guys are economically stupid in a lot of ways in that both the East Bay and the Southside and Southern suburbs of Chicago along with NW Indiana would be a gold mine for these teams. The problem with the White Sox has always been that they've had second tier and third team management running the team that wants to be 81 and 81 or 85 and 77 at best and not compete to be one of the best teams. Because? That means they have to spend money and actually attract free agents and build a system from the ground up. Then once players mature through the system they will have to pay them. This is why the White Sox every few years do the Marlins approach to winning and have a fire sale of anyone that is actually good enough to be picked up for prospects because Jerry Reinsdorf and the other 81 percent of Sox owners don't want to have to pay the players. They would rather run the team on a smaller shoestring budget rather than compete with the NY teams, LA teams, Boston, Atlanta, Philly and others. They know they can get by with it because their division is relatively smaller market teams like Minnesota, Kansas City, Cleveland and Detroit. All of which aren't the size of the Chicago market. Therefore they can coast on being mediocre at best. Such stuff wouldn't be allowed in New York, Boston or LA because people wouldn't go for it.
It is a small market when you can’t draw fans. CWS and Oak have done this for decadesk 11:00 . The A’s are now in Vegas. No way the city ofChicago is going to invest in the Sox
The distance between MLB and Class A is the distance between Wrigley and Guaranteed Rate Fields. ;) (It's like when the Arizona Cardinals were looking to get out of Sun Devil Stadium. The locals were so disgusted by the cheapness of Bill Bidwill, that when he said he might move to LA, the sentiment was, "Don't let the swinging door hit you in the ass on the way out.")
I remember seeing billboards around Phoenix at the time reading, "Cleveland Cardinals has a nice ring to it."...(Before the Browns reboot of course.)...
Chicago and/or the State of Illinois should not give Reinsdork a single dollar of taxpayer money. He has a net worth of 2.1 billion dollars and he won't spend any money on his team. Why should the citizens of Chicago be on the hook subsidizing a team that could likely be beat by an AAA team? Stop allowing billionaire sports owners to grift tax money while they do less than the minimum for their teams.
Not to mention the White Sox have actually a lot of other owners than Reinsdorf. He is basically the managing partner because he owns the biggest percentage of the team at about 19 percent. He doesn't own the rest of the team but for that 19 percent. He gets elected and allowed to be the major domo of the franchise. The key is finding out who the other stakeholders are and either shitcan Jerry Reinsdorf to the side or have him sell off. His kids don't want to be involved with running the team or owning it so its a matter of time.
@@eyeofhorus99 yes this is going to be a fight to the death with the union. Notice how the except for the super players all the contacts are ending at 2026. How the Blue Jays deal with Vladdy and Bichette will be the real tipoff
There’s no room to grow? You’ve got to be kidding me. The stadium is literally surrounded with acres of surface parking lots. I’m from Cleveland, and a life long Indians/Guardians fan. I was in Chicago for a business trip so I headed to new Comiskey to catch a Sox-Tigers game one night. The stadium is surprisingly fine. For all the crap I hear about it, it’s pleasant and comfortable. It’s not “retro” but since everything else is retro it’s unique. The metal work around the upper deck and along the outfield is nice. It looks good. The stadium has aged fine. What the White Sox are doing is a disgrace.
I 100% agree it sends the wrong message--why should I care as a fan when you're not doing everything you can to make your team better and try to win a championship. I'm just concerned that other owners are just fine because it means fewer bidders on certain players and more cost control.
@@Johnfisher12345 Nah I look at things like this as someone from the UK and think it makes the sport looks like a joke when teams aren't even trying to help themselves to win
@@Johnfisher12345 The sport doesn’t exist without the teams. It’s in MLB’s interest to not have (another) 1/30th of their franchises turn into a complete joke.
The irony of the 62 Mets is that they are historically one of the most beloved New York teams in New York baseball history. Of course it's not because of their record - but because of what they gave back to New York: A National League team, a return of some very familiar faces, and the chance for the New York fans to once against see some of the great opposing players again. What happened to the White Sox is just a downright disgrace.
The Mets wanted to be a great team... and they took the positive energy of 1962 to a World Series championship just seven years later in the 1969 Miracle Mets. The current day White Sox OTOH look like they're gunning for the Cleveland Spiders... implosion and contraction and there's nothing the other owners or players seem willing or able to do about it.
The only team in baseball history with more than 120 losses -- before this season's White Sox entered the conversation -- is the 1899 Cleveland Spiders. You never want to be compared in any way to the 1899 Cleveland Spiders: they were run in bad faith by the Robison brothers, who also owned the St. Louis Perfectos. The Robisons transferred all the good players to St. Louis and all the bad players to Cleveland.
Who would have thought that the MLB would be the least competent Big4 league in NA. NHL got its shit together. NBA is expanding soon. NFL is trucking along.
There should be a way, that if the owner of a professional sports team, wants a new stadium, then they should have a payroll to show how committed they are in winning. Can’t have a small payroll and expect the city or county and the taxpayers to pay for a new stadium
The Sox and the city could construct vertical parking in Bridgeport and use that freed up space for restaurants, shops, bars etc. They won't I'm pretty sure, but its a legit solution.
Saying you must spend money , to make money. 2012- 2019 I spent less and less. After 2023 , I stopped going. He won't spend, WE WONT SPEND. NOT DOLLAR , NOT 1 CENT , till he does right , sell , croaks, or retires.
Great stuff, @brodiebrazil. They'd win more next year just by luck, I think. There's an alternate baseball history, Hidden Treasure, you might like where the team moves to Tampa in '88 as they almost did. That franchise has been on the ropes since '59. Yes I mean 1959, not 69. If Bill Veeck doesn't buy them. Bill Barthllomay was a very close bidder. He would later buy the Braves and move them to Atlanta. And of course, in 1969 they came close to moving to Milwaukee, at which time most White Sox fans just figured they would drive North a little while to see them.
@@eyeofhorus99 I'd say Bob Nutting deserves his own analogy. He's who I cite as to why you don't give someone like John Fisher a dime of public money. I grew up in Pittsburgh (long story short: ended up moving to California in adulthood, the A's got me into baseball with my urbex hobby because "soon to be abandoned stadium" or so I believed at the time. Now it's being converted to USL, not going abandoned, but I fell in love with OCo) and MLB in Pittsburgh is equivilant to NBA, at least among younger fans (there are still some older folks who remember the days of Clemente that I met when I did cable sales in Pittsburgh but they don't blame young people for not being Pirates fans). ie it's a toss up who people cheer for because the Pirates never gave them something to cheer for (except for that flash in the pan quickly traded away). I genuinely believe PNC is the worst stadium in MLB because of the question "why was it built?" (ie not looking at upgrades needed but rather the likely behind the scenes conversations being more synical). The simple answer is it's an easy day's drive from Cleveland, Cincinati, Baltimore, DC, and for a fanbase that travels like the Yankees it's close. Point is, it was built with money from Pittsburgh taxpayers because the city is close to several other cities with teams that'll make it a de facto home game as the Pirates continue to feild a bad team because there's more profit in serving visiting fans for them. If the Nuttings ever want a new stadium say in 30-40 years we might be talking about "the Portland Pirates" because no way millenials and gen Z allow the Nuttings new stadium funding with the lack of investment (I picked Portland because it keeps the alliteration).
I’d like to see a similar breakdown of my terribly disappointing Angels and a “show cause” why they shouldn’t be sold, moved or shuttered. It would be an easy move to Utah.
I'm a huge white sox fan. These next few seasons are going to be hard and things are going to get worse. I'm really worried about relocation. I know the team sucks. But there is too much attention focus on our team being bad than relocation
The ChiSox are a long running joke. However, it is shocking to me what is going on in St. Louis right now. For a team that has had historically slavish devotion of fans through thick and thin, the recent mercenary comments by the Cardinals seem to have soured that devotion to a large degree. Added to the teams in Kansss City trying to play KCMO and KCK off of one another, and this could get really ugly, really fast. The A's and Angels are train wrecks now, Tampa is still on shaky footing. Milwaukee is dipping into public coffers again. The D'Backs are making threats. Even Baltimore is being accused of having a rusty, derelict stadium...As far as I'm concerned, MLB is already in the drainswirl of greed inflicted autocannibalism. Rob Manfred is the Captain Smith of the MLB Titanic, and I will continue to say that the iron is hot for independent baseball to throw out the seeds necessary to reclaim and save the sport. If they can organize and crowdfund more publically owned teams into existence, MLB's long-term fate will be sealed...
Those owners exist in the NFL--the Browns (who own the Bengals) apparently were selling 'old' TVs that the county took out as part of a renovation of the Bengals stadium for $30 and $60, and pocketing the money. There's David Teppert who doesn't know what he's doing in Carolina. And then there's Dan Snyder... The difference is the play on the field most games in every week is compelling enough to mask what goes on behind the scenes.
@@HHSGDFootballJPD there are bad owners but there is a minimum cap and Joe Burrow is one of the highest paid players in the league. Bengals recently made the SB and are profiting. There is not one player on Oakland or White Sox that is sniffing top pay. Snyder forced to sell…Tepper gets shamed…MLB protects owners
There is some promising talent at the A and AA levels in the White Sox farm system, so there is some reason for optimism in a few years. The thinking in the front office most likely is that a low-payroll team of prospects can win at least as many games as the higher paid roster that has been in place this year.
It is not enough to field the worst team MLB has seen in decades but they also have the balls to try and steal 1.7 BILLION dollars for a new stadium that they can charge a premium for when not only does the old stadium work just fine but they have a bottom 3 owner in baseball AT BEST. Yep, typical greed.
As a lifelong suffering White Sox fan, I say NO state subsidy for JR. Tell him that if he sells and if the new owner commits $xxx per year in salaries, then the new ownership group may get the funding.
All 2 team markets except for the Mets will likely move. The target is their AAA affiliate. Oakland A's are moving to Vegas (they are affiliated with the Aviators). Chicago White Sox AAA affiliate is Charlotte (Knights). And Angels will look to move to Salt Lake City (they are affiliated with Salt Lake Bees). Utah is offering 900 million in public ballpark funding. It makes sense with interleague games being the norm, there is no real need for any market to have 2 teams. There's overlap and conflict of interests.
The worst in the "modern era." What about before? That would be the 1899 season for the Cleveland Spiders, their last in the National League, with a record of 20-134. My favorite part of the story is that they played 42 home games and 112 on the road. Attendance was so low in Cleveland that the road teams' share of the gate was less than their travel costs, so they refused to go. MLB banned transferring games, except for emergencies, after the season ended.
The Spiders were victims of "syndicate" baseball, i.e. one owner owning two teams. The Robison brothers - businessmen - owned the Cleveland Spiders for 10 years and the team was very good - they won a Temple Cup (NL playoffs) in 1895. But then in 1899 the Robisons bought the St. Louis Browns. Figuring St. Louis - as a bigger city than Cleveland - would enjoy higher attendance - the Robisons transferred the 10 best Cleveland players to St. Louis - including pitcher Cy Young. Cleveland manager Lave Cross pleased with Stanley Robison for a few better players but Robison told him: "Your job here in Cleveland is to play out the schedule - not win games." The NL then disbanded 4 franchises after the season - Baltimore, Louisville, Washington and Cleveland to reduce membership to 8 clubs.
@@kenkunz1428 I said that at least one team's fanbase suffered even more than that of the White Sox this season. That's a silver lining, albeit a very small one. I wasn't trying to be cruel.
as a rockies fan, thanks for existing so my team isnt the worst this year :D for real tho they should do free game nights and just sell food for a lil more theyd probably make more money and gain fans
They at least had Dmitri Young and Jamie Walker, among a few other decent bats. This Sox edition has Crochet, and there’s no doubt he’s hoping to be dealt this offseason.
This just in: Reinsdorf; you should’ve realized already that there’s NO WAY that anybody (yet alone the city of Chicago) is just going to give you a record $1.7 billion dollars in public funding for a new stadium. If you want people to spend money to see your franchise play, you need to invest in talent for players that people want to see while ensuring that the team is winning baseball games thus having a chance to compete for a World Series. You first have to prove that your team is worth people watching and spending merchandise on. Threatening to move the team is quite literally doing the opposite with these decisions. I recall that the White Sox still have to play there until 2030 if I’m not mistaken. As for the MLB; if you want to eventually have 32 teams in your league, you shouldn’t be encouraging 2 franchises to move to your most profitable cities for an expansion team and what purpose? Is all of this really about ridding teams in cities that have shared markets (Oakland & Chicago) plus: who’s going to want those sorry teams in their city anyway? I would believe that the MLB has 2 additional cities that can support expansion teams that I’m not aware of right now. Jerry Reinsdorf might not be around by 2030 and John Fisher might not even succeed in successfully moving the team to Las Vegas. Sacramento & Utah are at best a risky gambit to see if either city can support a MLB franchise.
Reinsdorf did this ballpark gambit before in '89 when the White Sox were talking about moving to Tampa-St. Petersburg. He got the funding for what is now Guaranteed Rate Field then, but the White Sox were also a team on the rise in '89. They are the polar opposite today.
That statement by Manfred tells me all I need to know about the master plan by his bosses the current 30 MLB Teams. Instead of expanding by 4 to 6 franchises (even with more international known players entering the league more than ever the talent would start to grow thin) Manfred and the Selig era Gang IMO have a new plan. Move and or relocate to new areas of the United States and possibly Canada and even Mexico too. Even if that means long standing franchises ie White Sox charter member of the American League etc possibly relocate to Nashville or even Charlotte. Even in the final years on this earth Jerry Reinsdorf is a Scumbag. And I am not even a White Sox fan. As I said before, I will never forgive “Uncle Jerry” for his major role in canceling the 1994 MLB Playoffs/World Series because he wanted to end the MLB Players Association. Uncle Jerry also ended the Chicago Bulls Micheal Jordan led Dynasty as well. Finally in ideal world, probably won’t happen is for Uncle Jerry sell the White Sox to say a Billionaire such as Oprah Winfrey. Very sad on what’s happening on the possible end of the White Sox long run in Chicago.
If thats the case then the rumors of going to nashville are true for sure. Owners are doing the same thing as oakland running the team into the ground and spending cheap to not cause a fuss when they become the “Nashville White Sox”
Except in Nashville they will have even less fans than the 17,700 that showed up this year to watch a shit 121 loss team. Nashville has about 1/4 of the people that Chicago area has even with 2 teams in Chicago. Wait until they don't win anything more than 75 to 85 games most seasons and need to sell 2 million tickets to get say 25,000 average attendance for a season. Nashville is 1/4 or maybe even less of the size of the whole Chicagoland region. Not to mention banjos galore and in football country.
@@aidenawe9359 The Angels have been mediocre for what now about 12 to 13 years and even prior to Trout were treading water. To imagine that team had Trout, Shohei and Rendon who at one time was a good player and they never even sniffed the league championship and only 1 time in 2014 in the playoffs. That speaks volumes to the Arte Moreno regime running things. Trout has never really had any chance of getting to the World Series as well. One playoff appearance in 13 years says what a mess the Angels are. Then they hired Ron Washington and lost 99 games. Yikes.
If you look at the payrolls of every team I. The AL Central Every other team spent less in payroll that the White Sox (The Sox are 18th in payroll in MLB) Can’t blame ownership for wanting to blow it up & rebuild
The joke is that one day Reinsdorf was accosted by a mugger who demanded, "Your money or your life!" Silence for about a minute. Thinking that his victim might be hard of hearing (since Jerry IS of a certain age), the robber repeated his demand. To which Reinsdorf shouted back, "I'M THINKING IT OVER!!!" (Actually an old Jack Benny joke; kids, ask grandma or grandpa who Jack Benny was. ;) )
@@user-bc6ok1yh4s I've been a Sox fan since I was 4 years old. The year was 1979. Jerry Reinsdorf showed up in 1981 and with the exception of a few seasons the team has pretty much been a shitshow when they are in a top 5 market area. Why? Because the White Sox of which Jerry Reinsdorf only owns 19 percent of the team refuse to spend money. His biggest expenditures was in 1996 with Albert Belle getting a 5 year 55 million dollar contract and Andrew Benintendi getting 5 years 75 million in 2023. That's it. They don't want to spend money but they want a new stadium and they want the fans to show up. Well that explains why the 2024 Shit Sox were 41 and 121. Its almost laughable that this team in 2019 and 2020 was considered an up and coming team with young talent such as Dylan Cease, Luis Robert, Yoan Moncada, Eloy Jiminez, Yasmani Grandal being a vet and countless other Sox players who were good. Yet they only got into 2 playoff teams before the whole thing was torn down in 2023 to be rebuilt by the clown regime of Reinsdorf and Chris Getz. 2023 and 2024 were both total disasters but this was a team that in 2019 and 2020 was considered to have a championship window. Yet by 2022 they were treading water at 81 and 81 and then 100 losses in 2023 and 121 this year. Jokers. If anything I've seen White Sox baseball for 45 years now and its the same old shit with the ownership. Refuse to get better players and refuse to sign good quality free agents that want to win. Instead you get a bunch of butt kissers and yes men running the team and management. The people of Chicago and the White Sox fans deserve far better than this garbage and shitshow of an organization. Also they let Jason Benetti get away in exchange for Jon Schriffen who totally sucks. If they go to Nashville they can get to that clown town and stay there. Oh and by the way they would be leaving the Chicago area and Southside but also NW Indiana which has a sizable Sox fan base. Idiots.
@@user-bc6ok1yh4s Nashville isn't really all that it is cracked up to be honestly. Been there countless times and its meh. It would be colossally stupid for a top 5 market team anywhere to take a chance on a city that might have about 2 million people as its Metro area. Especially considering Chicago Metro has 9 million people. The White Sox if they ever move need to go somewhere else in the Chicago area as Comiskey isn't in the best of areas and minus a gentrification of the whole Southside and Bridgeport area isn't going to be economically viable in the future minus bunches of changes in the economics of the Southside. The White Sox would be better off either in the Western suburbs or perhaps the Loop area. Nashville has 2 million people and if the Sox thing getting 17,700 at Comiskey this season was bad wait until they lose 100 games in a place like Nashville and draw 10,000 a game. Not to mention being the only AL club in that whole area of Southern Wisconsin, Illinois and NW Indiana should be able to get enough people to show up to games even if they move elsewhere. Nashville I've been there plenty and they can't even fill up Nissan Stadium half the time for Titans games and that is only 8 games a year for the NFL.
Brodie: I doubt the White Sox will actually be worse. Why? I do not think it is mathematically possible. For example. As far as I know, they are winless when losing after 7 innings. Even 5 wins would likely mean no 120 plus season. ps. Great post game show on NBC Sports California. Especially the breakdown of Gerrit Cole’s strikeouts compared to pitch count.
The funny thing is that Nashville is a place I've been to probably 10 or so times and if they think an MLB team will be able to draw 2 million fans there on a consistent basis they are as stupid as John Fisher wanting to go to Las Vegas. Even the Titans at 25 year old Nissan Stadium can't always sell out their 8 games a season and Nashville already has a hockey team and other things to do. If you think the Sox or Rays or anyone else could go to Nashville and cash out then I got swamp land in Phoenix for sale. Not you yourself but the Sox going to Nashville makes about as much sense as Athletics leaving Oakland or even the Bay Area of 10 million people and going to the 40th largest metro area in Vegas. The A's will figure this out when they will be dragging about 15,000 a game in 2029 to 2058 in Vegas after the new wears off. Guarantee it. When if they had a proper stadium in the Bay Area they could average 2 million a season like they did in 2014 but even back in the 1980s and 1990s at times. Its beyond stupid the lack of logic with Fisher and Reinsdorf.
Is there some kind of contest between the A's and White Sox to see who can create a larger mismanagement disaster through apathy and/or intentional dismantling? Does the winner get the #1 overall pick? I'm just trying to figure out why these two teams are destroying their brands and fanbases. There has to be some kind of end game here. One other thing on the Blue Jays, from the perspective of a local fan: Toronto is Maple Leafs country. All other Toronto team fanbases are diehard fans, win or else we won't bother to show up. When 2024 didn't pan out as management thought it would because they went full corporate image mindset and forgot to create a winning team, attendance dropped. As bad as the management is in Toronto, though, at least they're trying to win. It doesn't look that way in Oakland/Sacramento/Vegas or Chicago.
This has always been White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf. In 43 years of ownership the biggest contract he ever gave out was 5 years 55 million to Albert Belle in 1997. The biggest latest contract was 5 years 75 million to Andrew Benintendi in 2023. A guy who might hit 15 to 20 home runs and bat in 60 to 70 runs a year. That's the Jerry Reinsdorf modus operandi. The same goes for JR inability to get good pitching even back when the White Sox had pitchers back in the 1990s like Jack McDowell etc that Jerry Reinsdorf refused to pay them anything and they went to greener pastures. He was lucky to hit lighting in a bottle in 2005 with the World Series win. Jerry Reinsdorf only owns about 19 percent of the White Sox. The rest are silent partners with him being the managing partner for the regime in charge. He needs to go.
White Sox payroll right now is $133 million which is down from were they started the season at so its not like they didn't open the purse strings, but before the season began the White Sox talked about getting payroll closer to $100 for next season.
There needs to be a salary floor in mlb that is 90 percent of the top teams payroll it works in the nhl the bottom teams in the nhl can still be competitive up until the last few months of The season
Another reason why we need to look at creating a promotion/relegation format between the MLB & Minor Leagues. The White Sox should be facing relegation head on.
This team is not even trying... I mean I've said that about Oakland, but Oakland at least got decent prospects back.. ChiSox are literally trying to be really bad. If the A's have resembled a AAA team, the ChiSox are AA. I think they are in for a rude awakining... 1. why shoudld Chicago build them ANOTHER new venue when New Comisky is still a nice venue and the team is only losing money because of their own hand. 2. What market would touch this team? AA franchises are cheap... go for one of them and get a better team.
That sounds good.. except, when you look at one major difference with Baseball vs other sports, the difference in local revenue is VAST. If you made a Salary cap structure even based on the NHL... it would probably start at $140 mil... that would mean the currnet top spenders are over twice that limit all to make the bottom side happy. Worse, some of those bottom teams don't even try to maximize their revenues. All a Salary Cap will do for MLB is make the rich owners richer and the MLBPA very unhappy. With the loss of the league identity..maybe the better thing is realignment... based on geography and revenue... so the poor teams beat on poor teams. Create an A and B league, stop interleague play until the world series and that will make life look better.. but a true cap won't even get past the owners. Say nothing of the union
@@RIS3N1 Sadly, in a way yes.. but the MLBPA has helped. Until the advent of unrestricted free agency and the death of the reserve clause, teams were content with mostly ticket sales for income... but after they actually had to pay the players... well, they all started to find other revenue streams and maximize. Some teams have natural streams.. like the NY, LA teams... with all the people.. and some don't.. but in the case of the ChiSox.. it's more a case of.. we don't want to try. With NFL, the majority of every teams income is the national TV deals.... MLB does not have the major national deals, a lot of local regional networks and each team makes their own deals.. well, in NY, they made their own network.. they practically print money (Boston, and others do too). But some smaller markets.. that's not really an option. So then you get back to revenue sharing... well, would you like to take your income and support all of your brothers and sisters families with it? Worse, some of those siblings are not even trying to get a job. Or in this case, even try to field a team people would come an watch. Sadly, I can't see MLB ever having a true cap. Between the MLBPA objections.. you'll also have the big market teams who pay big salaries and still make money complain about having to give it away to teams that just don't try to make their own.
MLB needs to take a hard look at their economic system if they want fans to stay around. It’s not just ownership that is an issue here it’s the entire system. You can’t have alll the star players concentrated on a handful of glimmer cities. Fans will just lose interest. MLB needs major overhaul. Sox’s have bad ownership no doubt but it is really underscores a bigger issue. There is however no reason why Chicago should be this bad, A’s understandable they have no money. Sox’s just don’t want to spend it.
Not to mention have you seen the ticket prices for the upcoming 2025 Sacramento A's season in a AAA ballpark in Sacramento. Among other things talking about premium seats costing 15,000 to 20,000 for 81 games at 180 to 250 a game. Plus requiring a 3 year contract for the premium seats to watch a mediocre A's team that will be trying to haul off to Las Vegas in 2028 or 2029 if there plans don't fall through first. The MLB has gotten to the point that there are too many other options that I can do for the 162 games and 162 days that exist from late March to late September. To the point where I wouldn't have to spend 100 dollars or 200 dollars to go to a game and in some cases much more. I get it that its a business and they have to make money but 200 or 300 dollars to watch a 2-3 hour game isn't worth the money. For that kind of money I can buy MLB TV or some other service and watch countless games. Not to mention the MLB got to the point that its the same 8 or 9 teams with chances to actually win the World Series. Its usually like this. Dodgers, Astros, Braves, Red Sox, Yankees and pick the other 3 or 4 teams that might get int under a wild card like say the Cardinals, Giants, Rangers, Milwaukee and PhilliES. That is how the MLB has chosen to be set up to where you have 30 teams but only about 8 or 9 have a real chance to win.
Yes. It’s highly unlikely future White Sox teams will be this bad. It’s also impossible to be historically bad in 2 consecutive seasons. They have anywhere but to go up after this season.
Makes me wish there was a relegation setup for teams like the White Flags that are just not going to bother being competitive. Enjoy Triple A, Sawks and Marlins. Welcome to the majors, Omaha and Sugar Land.
It befuddles me why the White Sox don't move to Charlotte, where they currently have their AAA affiliate. Charlotte is on the NC-SC border and the combined population of the two states is over 16 million, and Charlotte metro is greater in population than at least seven metropolitan areas with current MLB teams. Rather than being second fiddle to the Cubs in a declining metro area, the White Sox would have a more populous and more prosperous fast-growing region all to themselves.
The sox should get some cheap players and also a cheaper grade hot dogs, there would be a lot of players willing to work for like 60.000 dollars per year for say like 5 years then free agency, people need the work, after all it is a game we are talking about plus lower you food prices and ticket prices and get a replacement for Andy the clown also get a pretty organist
They were absolutely terrible the first month and a half this year and management made it seem like they were throwing in the towel before the season started
The A’s organization are masters at building teams from their minor league team. If they can find a way to attain their great young players, they can become elite. We all know how this goes. The second half of this season has shown promise and how competitive the team is. Possibly to compete next season in the AL West. I don’t see the A’s making any moves this off season either. Forst/Beane are masterful with trading for high level major league talent. Maybe, the White Sox should buy out the LV stadium while the A’s stay and build in Sacramento. Would be nice if NBC Sacramento can sign you. Your fanaticism for the Athletics works great for the game and your RUclips fans. I’m sure you can fly to Sacto.
Nashville, TN would be the better relocation City for the White Soxs. Much like the A’s wanted to move to Las Vegas because of the Tourism Factor, Nashville could provide similar results for the them.
@@PHN-2024 The white sox even with a third of chicagoland is bigger then any potential city they could move to, plus they agreed to a new RSN with the blackhawks ownership. They aren't going anywhere
I look at this situation and that of Oakland's and I come out of it thinking thank God the NHL has a salary cap. If the previous Coyotes owners were allowed to spend as little as possible on a roster, they'd totally do it.
Still a large market, but declining in population. More people moving away than moving into it, particularly among native-born USA citizens. Would you rather be in a market of less than 10 million, which you have to share with another team (that is more popular) and there is another more popular and successful team less than two hours away, OR would you rather have a market of over 16 million people all to yourself, and the next nearest team is over three and a half hours away?
The Cubs have a local Chicago & a regional & national fansbase that the White Sox do not have. The Cubs are much more popular than the White Sox. The MLB wants to expand into new cities. The White Sox could have talks of relocation in the future.
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The White Sox are an original AL team and have been in Chicago since 1901. There are generations of fans that go back way before Jerry Reinsdorf ever came into the picture. I find it reprehensible that he is sandbagging the team while simultaneously trying to hold the city and state hostage (like he did in 1988). Even he himself once said that it is the fans that own the team he is just the current custodian. As a long time fan, I have never seen days as dark as this.
Under his somnambulant regime, they’ve lost 100 or more in a season as often as they did from 1901-1981.
Yeah they won a Series in 2005, but kind of like Boston did in 1914 before they became irrelevant duds fairly quick again.
Im starting to see comparisons to Montreal, a city that doesnt support the White Sox. The city population is now under Toronto, the owners are billionaires who are begging for a billionaires.
The attendance for some good teams recently is pathetic. A playoff team should draw between 2-3 million fans.
St.Louis, Philly, Boston all became 1 team cities, the Yankees dropped from 3 to 1 then back to 2.
Your day is coming White Sox, it was nice knowing you.
Hahahahaha loser, go Cubs have fun in Nashville or Utah
I’m a Cubs fan but I just realized recently that Chicago has been a two team market longer than any other city. New York lost both of its NL teams after the 1957 season and from 1958-1961 the Yankees were the only team in NYC.
As a Mets fan, thanks for breaking the 120 loss barrier!
I think the first step to the solution for the White Sox is to fire the owner.
nah, the owner is part of the tribe. The bigger issue is him pushing the DEI to get up the team's ESG score...to secure those future loans/free money from Blackrock's access to the US mint.
Despite what John Fisher keeps saying, the East Bay is NOT a small market. Nor is the South Side of Chicago.
MLB themselves graded both markets as above average sized. But what else should one expect from Fisher, Reinsdorf, and their ilk.
These guys are economically stupid in a lot of ways in that both the East Bay and the Southside and Southern suburbs of Chicago along with NW Indiana would be a gold mine for these teams. The problem with the White Sox has always been that they've had second tier and third team management running the team that wants to be 81 and 81 or 85 and 77 at best and not compete to be one of the best teams. Because? That means they have to spend money and actually attract free agents and build a system from the ground up. Then once players mature through the system they will have to pay them. This is why the White Sox every few years do the Marlins approach to winning and have a fire sale of anyone that is actually good enough to be picked up for prospects because Jerry Reinsdorf and the other 81 percent of Sox owners don't want to have to pay the players. They would rather run the team on a smaller shoestring budget rather than compete with the NY teams, LA teams, Boston, Atlanta, Philly and others. They know they can get by with it because their division is relatively smaller market teams like Minnesota, Kansas City, Cleveland and Detroit. All of which aren't the size of the Chicago market. Therefore they can coast on being mediocre at best. Such stuff wouldn't be allowed in New York, Boston or LA because people wouldn't go for it.
It is a small market when you can’t draw fans. CWS and Oak have done this for decadesk 11:00 . The A’s are now in Vegas. No way the city ofChicago is going to invest in the Sox
The distance between MLB and Class A is the distance between Wrigley and Guaranteed Rate Fields. ;) (It's like when the Arizona Cardinals were looking to get out of Sun Devil Stadium. The locals were so disgusted by the cheapness of Bill Bidwill, that when he said he might move to LA, the sentiment was, "Don't let the swinging door hit you in the ass on the way out.")
I remember seeing billboards around Phoenix at the time reading, "Cleveland Cardinals has a nice ring to it."...(Before the Browns reboot of course.)...
That's exactly the attitude we Sox fans should have!
Chicago and/or the State of Illinois should not give Reinsdork a single dollar of taxpayer money. He has a net worth of 2.1 billion dollars and he won't spend any money on his team. Why should the citizens of Chicago be on the hook subsidizing a team that could likely be beat by an AAA team? Stop allowing billionaire sports owners to grift tax money while they do less than the minimum for their teams.
Not to mention the White Sox have actually a lot of other owners than Reinsdorf. He is basically the managing partner because he owns the biggest percentage of the team at about 19 percent. He doesn't own the rest of the team but for that 19 percent. He gets elected and allowed to be the major domo of the franchise. The key is finding out who the other stakeholders are and either shitcan Jerry Reinsdorf to the side or have him sell off. His kids don't want to be involved with running the team or owning it so its a matter of time.
MLB needs a salary floor. Tired of seeing owners of the A’s, Pirates, White Sox not trying to win.
Most MLB owners are just cheap. There’s only like 6-8 owners in baseball who actually try hard to win every year and spend.
@@eyeofhorus99 mor likely they will try impose a salary cap.
@@Hogtownboy1 I see that happening but the union will put a hell of a fight over it. Wouldn’t be surprised if MLB loses a season like the NHL did
@@eyeofhorus99 yes this is going to be a fight to the death with the union. Notice how the except for the super players all the contacts are ending at 2026. How the Blue Jays deal with Vladdy and Bichette will be the real tipoff
spend nuttin win nuttin
frank thomas and ozzie should just take over the franchise
There’s no room to grow?
You’ve got to be kidding me. The stadium is literally surrounded with acres of surface parking lots.
I’m from Cleveland, and a life long Indians/Guardians fan. I was in Chicago for a business trip so I headed to new Comiskey to catch a Sox-Tigers game one night. The stadium is surprisingly fine. For all the crap I hear about it, it’s pleasant and comfortable. It’s not “retro” but since everything else is retro it’s unique. The metal work around the upper deck and along the outfield is nice. It looks good. The stadium has aged fine.
What the White Sox are doing is a disgrace.
MLB has to step in and stop owners from doing this, it achieves nothing but damaging the sport.
Need a salary cap and floor just like the NBA, NFL and NHL
I 100% agree it sends the wrong message--why should I care as a fan when you're not doing everything you can to make your team better and try to win a championship.
I'm just concerned that other owners are just fine because it means fewer bidders on certain players and more cost control.
@@Johnfisher12345 Nah I look at things like this as someone from the UK and think it makes the sport looks like a joke when teams aren't even trying to help themselves to win
Its a Business, if its not doing well and the city is putting on to many demand and putting up no money the business Moves from that dead city...
@@Johnfisher12345 The sport doesn’t exist without the teams. It’s in MLB’s interest to not have (another) 1/30th of their franchises turn into a complete joke.
If the White Sox avoid 100 losses next year, their manager should win Manager of the Year unanimously
The irony of the 62 Mets is that they are historically one of the most beloved New York teams in New York baseball history. Of course it's not because of their record - but because of what they gave back to New York: A National League team, a return of some very familiar faces, and the chance for the New York fans to once against see some of the great opposing players again. What happened to the White Sox is just a downright disgrace.
The Mets wanted to be a great team... and they took the positive energy of 1962 to a World Series championship just seven years later in the 1969 Miracle Mets.
The current day White Sox OTOH look like they're gunning for the Cleveland Spiders... implosion and contraction and there's nothing the other owners or players seem willing or able to do about it.
Any chance on covering the update for the Arizona Diamondbacks and the Stadium update and chaos.
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Team So Bad And Then Asking For A New Stadium Like What Are You Serious 👎🏾
Hes such a tight cheap bastard!
A new place like the Arizona Coyotes had their last two seasons, maybe.
@@Ryan__________________________
The Mets got one in 1965 while still being the worst team!
The only team in baseball history with more than 120 losses -- before this season's White Sox entered the conversation -- is the 1899 Cleveland Spiders. You never want to be compared in any way to the 1899 Cleveland Spiders: they were run in bad faith by the Robison brothers, who also owned the St. Louis Perfectos. The Robisons transferred all the good players to St. Louis and all the bad players to Cleveland.
Inc.Cyrus Young
Who would have thought that the MLB would be the least competent Big4 league in NA. NHL got its shit together. NBA is expanding soon. NFL is trucking along.
MLB is all-in on being the ghey pro sport. As was demonstrated last year. Never forget.
There should be a way, that if the owner of a professional sports team, wants a new stadium, then they should have a payroll to show how committed they are in winning. Can’t have a small payroll and expect the city or county and the taxpayers to pay for a new stadium
In Australian Football, teams must spend a minimum of 95% of the salary cap. Otherwise draft restrictions will be imposed.
That's great. MLB doesn't have a salary cap, though.
The Sox and the city could construct vertical parking in Bridgeport and use that freed up space for restaurants, shops, bars etc. They won't I'm pretty sure, but its a legit solution.
Saying you must spend money , to make money. 2012- 2019 I spent less and less. After 2023 , I stopped going. He won't spend, WE WONT SPEND. NOT DOLLAR , NOT 1 CENT , till he does right , sell , croaks, or retires.
Great stuff, @brodiebrazil. They'd win more next year just by luck, I think. There's an alternate baseball history, Hidden Treasure, you might like where the team moves to Tampa in '88 as they almost did. That franchise has been on the ropes since '59. Yes I mean 1959, not 69. If Bill Veeck doesn't buy them. Bill Barthllomay was a very close bidder. He would later buy the Braves and move them to Atlanta. And of course, in 1969 they came close to moving to Milwaukee, at which time most White Sox fans just figured they would drive North a little while to see them.
Ridiculous that the White Sox need a new stadium when Wrigley field is over 100 years old.. 1991 doesn’t even seem old.
2:13 looked like an average reds game before they called up elly de la cruz. 😂
John Fisher is The Joker, Jerry Reinsdorf is Lex Luthor.
@@urbex_coasters Bob Nutting is the Riddler
@@eyeofhorus99 I'd say Bob Nutting deserves his own analogy. He's who I cite as to why you don't give someone like John Fisher a dime of public money. I grew up in Pittsburgh (long story short: ended up moving to California in adulthood, the A's got me into baseball with my urbex hobby because "soon to be abandoned stadium" or so I believed at the time. Now it's being converted to USL, not going abandoned, but I fell in love with OCo) and MLB in Pittsburgh is equivilant to NBA, at least among younger fans (there are still some older folks who remember the days of Clemente that I met when I did cable sales in Pittsburgh but they don't blame young people for not being Pirates fans). ie it's a toss up who people cheer for because the Pirates never gave them something to cheer for (except for that flash in the pan quickly traded away). I genuinely believe PNC is the worst stadium in MLB because of the question "why was it built?" (ie not looking at upgrades needed but rather the likely behind the scenes conversations being more synical). The simple answer is it's an easy day's drive from Cleveland, Cincinati, Baltimore, DC, and for a fanbase that travels like the Yankees it's close. Point is, it was built with money from Pittsburgh taxpayers because the city is close to several other cities with teams that'll make it a de facto home game as the Pirates continue to feild a bad team because there's more profit in serving visiting fans for them. If the Nuttings ever want a new stadium say in 30-40 years we might be talking about "the Portland Pirates" because no way millenials and gen Z allow the Nuttings new stadium funding with the lack of investment (I picked Portland because it keeps the alliteration).
Why would any city spend money building a stadium for a team that loses and does not generate revenue for the community?
They did it for the Pirates in 2001 and the Marlins in 2012
You don’t understand politicians. They love spending taxpayer money.
that is what that whole plandemic was also about. Most things are nothing more then the act of a wealth transfer.
I’d like to see a similar breakdown of my terribly disappointing Angels and a “show cause” why they shouldn’t be sold, moved or shuttered.
It would be an easy move to Utah.
Did you know former A's manager Tony Larussa is a consultant for the White Sox? I'm sure he'll help turn things around.
You can't lie to the food vendors about the attendance. They are going to want assurances from the Sox moving forward.
I'm a huge white sox fan. These next few seasons are going to be hard and things are going to get worse. I'm really worried about relocation. I know the team sucks. But there is too much attention focus on our team being bad than relocation
It’s very hard to be worse than this season.
@aidenawe9359 the roster is going to be worse
Hey Brodie.
Can you please do a video on Arte Moreno's Angels having a similar approach after they have the worst record in franchise history.
The ChiSox are a long running joke. However, it is shocking to me what is going on in St. Louis right now. For a team that has had historically slavish devotion of fans through thick and thin, the recent mercenary comments by the Cardinals seem to have soured that devotion to a large degree. Added to the teams in Kansss City trying to play KCMO and KCK off of one another, and this could get really ugly, really fast. The A's and Angels are train wrecks now, Tampa is still on shaky footing. Milwaukee is dipping into public coffers again. The D'Backs are making threats. Even Baltimore is being accused of having a rusty, derelict stadium...As far as I'm concerned, MLB is already in the drainswirl of greed inflicted autocannibalism. Rob Manfred is the Captain Smith of the MLB Titanic, and I will continue to say that the iron is hot for independent baseball to throw out the seeds necessary to reclaim and save the sport. If they can organize and crowdfund more publically owned teams into existence, MLB's long-term fate will be sealed...
NFL would never allow owners like Fisher and Jerry to drag the league down.
Those owners exist in the NFL--the Browns (who own the Bengals) apparently were selling 'old' TVs that the county took out as part of a renovation of the Bengals stadium for $30 and $60, and pocketing the money.
There's David Teppert who doesn't know what he's doing in Carolina. And then there's Dan Snyder...
The difference is the play on the field most games in every week is compelling enough to mask what goes on behind the scenes.
@@HHSGDFootballJPD there are bad owners but there is a minimum cap and Joe Burrow is one of the highest paid players in the league. Bengals recently made the SB and are profiting. There is not one player on Oakland or White Sox that is sniffing top pay.
Snyder forced to sell…Tepper gets shamed…MLB protects owners
@@HHSGDFootballJPDDan Snyder is no longer an owner
There is some promising talent at the A and AA levels in the White Sox farm system, so there is some reason for optimism in a few years. The thinking in the front office most likely is that a low-payroll team of prospects can win at least as many games as the higher paid roster that has been in place this year.
It is not enough to field the worst team MLB has seen in decades but they also have the balls to try and steal 1.7 BILLION dollars for a new stadium that they can charge a premium for when not only does the old stadium work just fine but they have a bottom 3 owner in baseball AT BEST. Yep, typical greed.
As a lifelong suffering White Sox fan, I say NO state subsidy for JR. Tell him that if he sells and if the new owner commits $xxx per year in salaries, then the new ownership group may get the funding.
All 2 team markets except for the Mets will likely move. The target is their AAA affiliate.
Oakland A's are moving to Vegas (they are affiliated with the Aviators). Chicago White Sox AAA affiliate is Charlotte (Knights). And Angels will look to move to Salt Lake City (they are affiliated with Salt Lake Bees). Utah is offering 900 million in public ballpark funding.
It makes sense with interleague games being the norm, there is no real need for any market to have 2 teams. There's overlap and conflict of interests.
The worst in the "modern era." What about before? That would be the 1899 season for the Cleveland Spiders, their last in the National League, with a record of 20-134. My favorite part of the story is that they played 42 home games and 112 on the road. Attendance was so low in Cleveland that the road teams' share of the gate was less than their travel costs, so they refused to go. MLB banned transferring games, except for emergencies, after the season ended.
The Spiders were victims of "syndicate" baseball, i.e. one owner owning two teams. The Robison brothers - businessmen - owned the Cleveland Spiders for 10 years and the team was very good - they won a Temple Cup (NL playoffs) in 1895. But then in 1899 the Robisons bought the St. Louis Browns. Figuring St. Louis - as a bigger city than Cleveland - would enjoy higher attendance - the Robisons transferred the 10 best Cleveland players to St. Louis - including pitcher Cy Young. Cleveland manager Lave Cross pleased with Stanley Robison for a few better players but Robison told him: "Your job here in Cleveland is to play out the schedule - not win games." The NL then disbanded 4 franchises after the season - Baltimore, Louisville, Washington and Cleveland to reduce membership to 8 clubs.
The modern era begins in 1900. So in the last 125 years, this Sox team is the worst ever. Happy now?
@@kenkunz1428 I said that at least one team's fanbase suffered even more than that of the White Sox this season. That's a silver lining, albeit a very small one. I wasn't trying to be cruel.
And their owners also owned the Cardinals
In some states & cities, there were still fan Covid restrictions. I know in Philly that the capacity was limited for the first half of the season.
as a rockies fan, thanks for existing so my team isnt the worst this year :D
for real tho they should do free game nights and just sell food for a lil more theyd probably make more money and gain fans
Imagine paying that kind of money for your employees to stink at their job
kind of like we are getting out of our politicians
As a White Sox fan, Reinsdorf is such a joke of an owner. At this point if the White Sox move I won't even be pissed about it.
He's destroyed BOTH of his teams....the Bulls have become a laughing stock as well.
I would be pissed if the Wsox move
I have been a diehard fan since 1965. 1970 was rough, but this situation is totally hopeless!
I wouldn’t care if he moved the team either.
Same here, I'm ready to move on and start acting like an adult about this sad situation.
As a Sox fan, I would be pissed if we moved.... I’ve been a fan my whole life…
Detroit would like to thank Chicago for breaking the 119 losses we had in 2003.
They at least had Dmitri Young and Jamie Walker, among a few other decent bats.
This Sox edition has Crochet, and there’s no doubt he’s hoping to be dealt this offseason.
And their owner loved his Tigers
This just in:
Reinsdorf; you should’ve realized already that there’s NO WAY that anybody (yet alone the city of Chicago) is just going to give you a record $1.7 billion dollars in public funding for a new stadium. If you want people to spend money to see your franchise play, you need to invest in talent for players that people want to see while ensuring that the team is winning baseball games thus having a chance to compete for a World Series. You first have to prove that your team is worth people watching and spending merchandise on. Threatening to move the team is quite literally doing the opposite with these decisions. I recall that the White Sox still have to play there until 2030 if I’m not mistaken.
As for the MLB; if you want to eventually have 32 teams in your league, you shouldn’t be encouraging 2 franchises to move to your most profitable cities for an expansion team and what purpose? Is all of this really about ridding teams in cities that have shared markets (Oakland & Chicago) plus: who’s going to want those sorry teams in their city anyway? I would believe that the MLB has 2 additional cities that can support expansion teams that I’m not aware of right now. Jerry Reinsdorf might not be around by 2030 and John Fisher might not even succeed in successfully moving the team to Las Vegas. Sacramento & Utah are at best a risky gambit to see if either city can support a MLB franchise.
Any possible move to another city won't be happening until around 2030 still 6 years away
We need some excitement in Chicagoland, and if we can't get many wins in anything then lets root for losses. Lose lose lose !
Reinsdorf did this ballpark gambit before in '89 when the White Sox were talking about moving to Tampa-St. Petersburg. He got the funding for what is now Guaranteed Rate Field then, but the White Sox were also a team on the rise in '89. They are the polar opposite today.
And Guaranteed Rate Field is STILL not fully paid for.
@@kenkunz1428he's paid rent 4 times in 33 yrs
Isnt this kind of a trend for baseball in general? I know some teams are doing fine, but how is baseball as a whole?
Yep! Jerry will tighten those purse strings further!
Why not shoot for 162 losses a 0-162 record that will never be broken.
That would be tantamount to "match fixing".
Jerry Reinsdorf should be investigated for some serious crimes.
Especially if his socialism for the rich scheme finds the Sox in a new stadium!
Is there even a difference between this, Oakland, and Charlotte from NFL???
That statement by Manfred tells me all I need to know about the master plan by his bosses the current 30 MLB Teams. Instead of expanding by 4 to 6 franchises (even with more international known players entering the league more than ever the talent would start to grow thin) Manfred and the Selig era Gang IMO have a new plan.
Move and or relocate to new areas of the United States and possibly Canada and even Mexico too. Even if that means long standing franchises ie White Sox charter member of the American League etc possibly relocate to Nashville or even Charlotte.
Even in the final years on this earth Jerry Reinsdorf is a Scumbag. And I am not even a White Sox fan. As I said before, I will never forgive “Uncle Jerry” for his major role in canceling the 1994 MLB Playoffs/World Series because he wanted to end the MLB Players Association. Uncle Jerry also ended the Chicago Bulls Micheal Jordan led Dynasty as well. Finally in ideal world, probably won’t happen is for Uncle Jerry sell the White Sox to say a Billionaire such as Oprah Winfrey. Very sad on what’s happening on the possible end of the White Sox long run in Chicago.
If thats the case then the rumors of going to nashville are true for sure. Owners are doing the same thing as oakland running the team into the ground and spending cheap to not cause a fuss when they become the “Nashville White Sox”
Except in Nashville they will have even less fans than the 17,700 that showed up this year to watch a shit 121 loss team. Nashville has about 1/4 of the people that Chicago area has even with 2 teams in Chicago. Wait until they don't win anything more than 75 to 85 games most seasons and need to sell 2 million tickets to get say 25,000 average attendance for a season. Nashville is 1/4 or maybe even less of the size of the whole Chicagoland region. Not to mention banjos galore and in football country.
White Sox fan here….I’m rooting for 125 loses 😂 Let’s Go!!!
@@Johnfisher12345bingo. You want to avoid on what the Angels are doing.
@@aidenawe9359 The Angels have been mediocre for what now about 12 to 13 years and even prior to Trout were treading water. To imagine that team had Trout, Shohei and Rendon who at one time was a good player and they never even sniffed the league championship and only 1 time in 2014 in the playoffs. That speaks volumes to the Arte Moreno regime running things. Trout has never really had any chance of getting to the World Series as well. One playoff appearance in 13 years says what a mess the Angels are. Then they hired Ron Washington and lost 99 games. Yikes.
If you look at the payrolls of every team I. The AL Central
Every other team spent less in payroll that the White Sox
(The Sox are 18th in payroll in MLB)
Can’t blame ownership for wanting to blow it up & rebuild
They are trying to rank their way to Nashville
It’s a new world in sports where teams want to move to smaller markets now
The joke is that one day Reinsdorf was accosted by a mugger who demanded, "Your money or your life!"
Silence for about a minute.
Thinking that his victim might be hard of hearing (since Jerry IS of a certain age), the robber repeated his demand.
To which Reinsdorf shouted back, "I'M THINKING IT OVER!!!" (Actually an old Jack Benny joke; kids, ask grandma or grandpa who Jack Benny was. ;) )
The owner wants to move them to Nashville
If the folks in Nashville are stupid enough to take Jerry and the Sox, they can have them! I need to move on from the Sox anyway.
Reinsdorf has to sell first. The Sox can come to Nashville, but not him.
@@user-bc6ok1yh4s I've been a Sox fan since I was 4 years old. The year was 1979. Jerry Reinsdorf showed up in 1981 and with the exception of a few seasons the team has pretty much been a shitshow when they are in a top 5 market area. Why? Because the White Sox of which Jerry Reinsdorf only owns 19 percent of the team refuse to spend money. His biggest expenditures was in 1996 with Albert Belle getting a 5 year 55 million dollar contract and Andrew Benintendi getting 5 years 75 million in 2023. That's it. They don't want to spend money but they want a new stadium and they want the fans to show up. Well that explains why the 2024 Shit Sox were 41 and 121. Its almost laughable that this team in 2019 and 2020 was considered an up and coming team with young talent such as Dylan Cease, Luis Robert, Yoan Moncada, Eloy Jiminez, Yasmani Grandal being a vet and countless other Sox players who were good. Yet they only got into 2 playoff teams before the whole thing was torn down in 2023 to be rebuilt by the clown regime of Reinsdorf and Chris Getz.
2023 and 2024 were both total disasters but this was a team that in 2019 and 2020 was considered to have a championship window. Yet by 2022 they were treading water at 81 and 81 and then 100 losses in 2023 and 121 this year. Jokers. If anything I've seen White Sox baseball for 45 years now and its the same old shit with the ownership. Refuse to get better players and refuse to sign good quality free agents that want to win. Instead you get a bunch of butt kissers and yes men running the team and management.
The people of Chicago and the White Sox fans deserve far better than this garbage and shitshow of an organization. Also they let Jason Benetti get away in exchange for Jon Schriffen who totally sucks. If they go to Nashville they can get to that clown town and stay there. Oh and by the way they would be leaving the Chicago area and Southside but also NW Indiana which has a sizable Sox fan base. Idiots.
No he don't. Jerry always says this when we've had enough of his sht.
@@user-bc6ok1yh4s Nashville isn't really all that it is cracked up to be honestly. Been there countless times and its meh. It would be colossally stupid for a top 5 market team anywhere to take a chance on a city that might have about 2 million people as its Metro area. Especially considering Chicago Metro has 9 million people. The White Sox if they ever move need to go somewhere else in the Chicago area as Comiskey isn't in the best of areas and minus a gentrification of the whole Southside and Bridgeport area isn't going to be economically viable in the future minus bunches of changes in the economics of the Southside. The White Sox would be better off either in the Western suburbs or perhaps the Loop area. Nashville has 2 million people and if the Sox thing getting 17,700 at Comiskey this season was bad wait until they lose 100 games in a place like Nashville and draw 10,000 a game.
Not to mention being the only AL club in that whole area of Southern Wisconsin, Illinois and NW Indiana should be able to get enough people to show up to games even if they move elsewhere. Nashville I've been there plenty and they can't even fill up Nissan Stadium half the time for Titans games and that is only 8 games a year for the NFL.
The 17 person game was part of a doubleheader, I believe. The first game was rescheduled for the next day.
A Wednesday afternoon , very few can get away for a game beginning at 4 PM
98 fans for a 2nd game in April
@michaelleroy9281 12 MILLION in Chicagoland area( inc.NW Indiana)
@michaelleroy9281 stop apologizing for your uncle Jerry
Brodie: I doubt the White Sox will actually be worse. Why? I do not think it is mathematically possible. For example. As far as I know, they are winless when losing after 7 innings. Even 5 wins would likely mean no 120 plus season. ps. Great post game show on NBC Sports California. Especially the breakdown of Gerrit Cole’s strikeouts compared to pitch count.
True
At last report, 6 franchises are planning to move to Nashville.
N o one can move to Nashville without a place to play
MLB will have to create a Nashville division
Jerry is MLB's pet
The funny thing is that Nashville is a place I've been to probably 10 or so times and if they think an MLB team will be able to draw 2 million fans there on a consistent basis they are as stupid as John Fisher wanting to go to Las Vegas. Even the Titans at 25 year old Nissan Stadium can't always sell out their 8 games a season and Nashville already has a hockey team and other things to do. If you think the Sox or Rays or anyone else could go to Nashville and cash out then I got swamp land in Phoenix for sale. Not you yourself but the Sox going to Nashville makes about as much sense as Athletics leaving Oakland or even the Bay Area of 10 million people and going to the 40th largest metro area in Vegas. The A's will figure this out when they will be dragging about 15,000 a game in 2029 to 2058 in Vegas after the new wears off. Guarantee it. When if they had a proper stadium in the Bay Area they could average 2 million a season like they did in 2014 but even back in the 1980s and 1990s at times. Its beyond stupid the lack of logic with Fisher and Reinsdorf.
Is there some kind of contest between the A's and White Sox to see who can create a larger mismanagement disaster through apathy and/or intentional dismantling? Does the winner get the #1 overall pick? I'm just trying to figure out why these two teams are destroying their brands and fanbases. There has to be some kind of end game here.
One other thing on the Blue Jays, from the perspective of a local fan: Toronto is Maple Leafs country. All other Toronto team fanbases are diehard fans, win or else we won't bother to show up. When 2024 didn't pan out as management thought it would because they went full corporate image mindset and forgot to create a winning team, attendance dropped. As bad as the management is in Toronto, though, at least they're trying to win. It doesn't look that way in Oakland/Sacramento/Vegas or Chicago.
This has always been White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf. In 43 years of ownership the biggest contract he ever gave out was 5 years 55 million to Albert Belle in 1997. The biggest latest contract was 5 years 75 million to Andrew Benintendi in 2023. A guy who might hit 15 to 20 home runs and bat in 60 to 70 runs a year. That's the Jerry Reinsdorf modus operandi. The same goes for JR inability to get good pitching even back when the White Sox had pitchers back in the 1990s like Jack McDowell etc that Jerry Reinsdorf refused to pay them anything and they went to greener pastures. He was lucky to hit lighting in a bottle in 2005 with the World Series win. Jerry Reinsdorf only owns about 19 percent of the White Sox. The rest are silent partners with him being the managing partner for the regime in charge. He needs to go.
White Sox payroll right now is $133 million which is down from were they started the season at so its not like they didn't open the purse strings, but before the season began the White Sox talked about getting payroll closer to $100 for next season.
There needs to be a salary floor in mlb that is 90 percent of the top teams payroll it works in the nhl the bottom teams in the nhl can still be competitive up until the last few months of The season
Another reason why we need to look at creating a promotion/relegation format between the MLB & Minor Leagues. The White Sox should be facing relegation head on.
Just bc they cut payroll doesn’t mean they can’t spend. It’s highly unlikely any future White Sox team will be this bad.
This team is not even trying... I mean I've said that about Oakland, but Oakland at least got decent prospects back.. ChiSox are literally trying to be really bad. If the A's have resembled a AAA team, the ChiSox are AA. I think they are in for a rude awakining... 1. why shoudld Chicago build them ANOTHER new venue when New Comisky is still a nice venue and the team is only losing money because of their own hand. 2. What market would touch this team? AA franchises are cheap... go for one of them and get a better team.
2025: 30-132
2026: 20-142
2027: Triple-A
😂
The ownership there is as bad as the A’s ownership. How come the commissioner hasn’t given them his blessings to move ?
They have talked about moving
So they are going to spend less and hope to improve? That doesn't seem to be a way to draw more people.
Worked in Oakland for years....then again the Billy Ball Rx been out of the bag for years now
I feel like they’re trying to do Moneyball but they only looked at the cover and really don’t understand the idea.
We need owner relegation.
MLB needs a salary cap.
white sox and A's are proof you need a salary floor more then anything else
And a salary floor!
That sounds good.. except, when you look at one major difference with Baseball vs other sports, the difference in local revenue is VAST. If you made a Salary cap structure even based on the NHL... it would probably start at $140 mil... that would mean the currnet top spenders are over twice that limit all to make the bottom side happy. Worse, some of those bottom teams don't even try to maximize their revenues. All a Salary Cap will do for MLB is make the rich owners richer and the MLBPA very unhappy. With the loss of the league identity..maybe the better thing is realignment... based on geography and revenue... so the poor teams beat on poor teams. Create an A and B league, stop interleague play until the world series and that will make life look better.. but a true cap won't even get past the owners. Say nothing of the union
@ronpeacock9939 So you're saying the MLB has let this go on for way too long and now it's a problem that can't be solved ?
@@RIS3N1 Sadly, in a way yes.. but the MLBPA has helped. Until the advent of unrestricted free agency and the death of the reserve clause, teams were content with mostly ticket sales for income... but after they actually had to pay the players... well, they all started to find other revenue streams and maximize. Some teams have natural streams.. like the NY, LA teams... with all the people.. and some don't.. but in the case of the ChiSox.. it's more a case of.. we don't want to try. With NFL, the majority of every teams income is the national TV deals.... MLB does not have the major national deals, a lot of local regional networks and each team makes their own deals.. well, in NY, they made their own network.. they practically print money (Boston, and others do too). But some smaller markets.. that's not really an option. So then you get back to revenue sharing... well, would you like to take your income and support all of your brothers and sisters families with it? Worse, some of those siblings are not even trying to get a job. Or in this case, even try to field a team people would come an watch. Sadly, I can't see MLB ever having a true cap. Between the MLBPA objections.. you'll also have the big market teams who pay big salaries and still make money complain about having to give it away to teams that just don't try to make their own.
MLB needs to take a hard look at their economic system if they want fans to stay around. It’s not just ownership that is an issue here it’s the entire system. You can’t have alll the star players concentrated on a handful of glimmer cities. Fans will just lose interest. MLB needs major overhaul. Sox’s have bad ownership no doubt but it is really underscores a bigger issue. There is however no reason why Chicago should be this bad, A’s understandable they have no money. Sox’s just don’t want to spend it.
Not to mention have you seen the ticket prices for the upcoming 2025 Sacramento A's season in a AAA ballpark in Sacramento. Among other things talking about premium seats costing 15,000 to 20,000 for 81 games at 180 to 250 a game. Plus requiring a 3 year contract for the premium seats to watch a mediocre A's team that will be trying to haul off to Las Vegas in 2028 or 2029 if there plans don't fall through first.
The MLB has gotten to the point that there are too many other options that I can do for the 162 games and 162 days that exist from late March to late September. To the point where I wouldn't have to spend 100 dollars or 200 dollars to go to a game and in some cases much more. I get it that its a business and they have to make money but 200 or 300 dollars to watch a 2-3 hour game isn't worth the money. For that kind of money I can buy MLB TV or some other service and watch countless games. Not to mention the MLB got to the point that its the same 8 or 9 teams with chances to actually win the World Series. Its usually like this. Dodgers, Astros, Braves, Red Sox, Yankees and pick the other 3 or 4 teams that might get int under a wild card like say the Cardinals, Giants, Rangers, Milwaukee and PhilliES. That is how the MLB has chosen to be set up to where you have 30 teams but only about 8 or 9 have a real chance to win.
I highly doubt that the White Sox will be even worse next season. That just seems impossible.
Yes. It’s highly unlikely future White Sox teams will be this bad. It’s also impossible to be historically bad in 2 consecutive seasons. They have anywhere but to go up after this season.
@@aidenawe9359They have been bad in 2 consecutive seasons, 2023 and 2024
@@michaelleroy9281 I’m talking about being historically bad.
@@aidenawe9359No White Sox team over a 2 year period at any time in their history have lost as many games then 23 and 24
Makes me wish there was a relegation setup for teams like the White Flags that are just not going to bother being competitive. Enjoy Triple A, Sawks and Marlins. Welcome to the majors, Omaha and Sugar Land.
It befuddles me why the White Sox don't move to Charlotte, where they currently have their AAA affiliate. Charlotte is on the NC-SC border and the combined population of the two states is over 16 million, and Charlotte metro is greater in population than at least seven metropolitan areas with current MLB teams. Rather than being second fiddle to the Cubs in a declining metro area, the White Sox would have a more populous and more prosperous fast-growing region all to themselves.
chicago is still a larger market even with half the city and suburbs
@@polski1683correct- TWELVE MILLION FANS
The sox should get some cheap players and also a cheaper grade hot dogs, there would be a lot of players willing to work for like 60.000 dollars per year for say like 5 years then free agency, people need the work, after all it is a game we are talking about plus lower you food prices and ticket prices and get a replacement for Andy the clown also get a pretty organist
Interesting
Les Chaussettes Blanc de Montréal?
The Sox did sell out two games this season...when the Cubs came in.😁
@@kenkunz1428
No, when the Dodgers came here
@@maverick1956hk I don't know about the Dodgers... but the Sox can thank Cubs fans for two sellouts this season.
They are trying to fail their way to Nashville
It’s a new world in sports where teams want to move to smaller markets now
Reinsdorf most likely won't be around in 2029 when the lease ends, I can't imagine a 93 year old owner moving to another city
Sell. Not going to get that huge of a public subsidy.
move them to montreal and name them the chaussettes blanches
Montreal isn't happening, they had their chance
I would love if my Sox extend the fine history of Le Expos ⚾️
Surprised to see the Mets with a large attendance decline given that they aren’t that bad this year.
Attendance is always a funny thing, you don't know how it's going to go from year to year
They were absolutely terrible the first month and a half this year and management made it seem like they were throwing in the towel before the season started
I will be at Tuesday’s game to witness this dismal history. JR is a clown.
This is the owner and manager fault. Dose the owner want move the Chicago White Sox?
Watch out, 1899 Cleveland Spiders.
Chicago Spiders 🕷
Currently, where is the incentive for a new (expensive) stadium?
They could be Detroit
The A’s organization are masters at building teams from their minor league team. If they can find a way to attain their great young players, they can become elite.
We all know how this goes.
The second half of this season has shown promise and how competitive the team is. Possibly to compete next season in the AL West.
I don’t see the A’s making any moves this off season either.
Forst/Beane are masterful with trading for high level major league talent.
Maybe, the White Sox should buy out the LV stadium while the A’s stay and build in Sacramento.
Would be nice if NBC Sacramento can sign you. Your fanaticism for the Athletics works great for the game and your RUclips fans.
I’m sure you can fly to Sacto.
They need to relocate to Utah. Have the Miller Group buy them.
Nashville, TN would be the better relocation City for the White Soxs. Much like the A’s wanted to move to Las Vegas because of the Tourism Factor, Nashville could provide similar results for the them.
Gail Miller is almost 90. Time is running out for Utah to have a team.
@PHN-2024 They can't play on a parking lot somewhere in Nashville, they're not putting up any public money there either
@@PHN-2024 The white sox even with a third of chicagoland is bigger then any potential city they could move to, plus they agreed to a new RSN with the blackhawks ownership. They aren't going anywhere
My MLB The Show 24, Sox are Bad 😂
As the Stomach Turns --the soap opera that could also be called " The Quest For (Government)Cash "continues
This team can’t even win 40 games in a 162 game season that’s just insane
They did get to 41 and 121 today. But yeah I got your point. A total shitshow of a team.
I look at this situation and that of Oakland's and I come out of it thinking thank God the NHL has a salary cap. If the previous Coyotes owners were allowed to spend as little as possible on a roster, they'd totally do it.
The previous coyotes owners, one of them went into bankruptcy and the NHL, had to take over and at the time be the “owner “.
This current Mets season was supposed to be a bridge year.
Still a large market, but declining in population. More people moving away than moving into it, particularly among native-born USA citizens.
Would you rather be in a market of less than 10 million, which you have to share with another team (that is more popular) and there is another more popular and successful team less than two hours away, OR would you rather have a market of over 16 million people all to yourself, and the next nearest team is over three and a half hours away?
Go back to Mount Pilot.........Barney
The Cubs have a local Chicago & a regional & national fansbase that the White Sox do not have. The Cubs are much more popular than the White Sox. The MLB wants to expand into new cities. The White Sox could have talks of relocation in the future.
Can you say "Monkey Wrenching," boys and girls?
A lot we have to go wrong, to lose that many again. But, 105+ losses is probable