As a homeschooled kid of the 80s, I can vouch for the fact that working to the point of exhaustion does NOT make ADHD symptoms disappear and schoolwork become magically easy. I can vouch for the fact that as I girl I struggled as much as my brothers. I can vouch for the fact that we got plenty of play and went without television for years, and the ADHD symptoms did not go away. I can vouch for the fact that once school was finished, I still struggled to focus on the things that gave me joy, such as hobbies, because ADHD is mentally exhausting.
For those of you who think that my position on Jordan Peterson's views of ADHD are just a matter of two equivalent scholars of the disorder having a small disagreement on an issue, see my comment below to this suggestion, which I reprint here so others don't miss it. "Thanks for your comment, Ruth, but I am sorry to say it does not hold up to serious inspection. Jordan Peterson has made these claims in several different interviews and years apart, so the rationale that he was just caught off guard by a question is not a compelling reason. Second, when any psychologist, especially one of his rank and stature, is asked about something in our field in which he has little or no expertise, then the mature, respectful, and humble response one should say is: I don't know." You don't just make up some clearly farfetched and grossly dated rationale for your opinion. Third, his comments are conveyed with contempt for psychiatry, the disorder, and, relatedly, the many fellow clinical psychologists who have studied this disorder for several hundred years. It is also contempt especially for the diagnosis of ADHD which he has repeatedly declared is a fraud. So this is no simple one-time error of recall in the moment but an obvious conviction that he holds about a neurodevelopment disorder. Fourth, when prominent psychologists of his degree of celebrity make such grossly and egregiously wrong comments, particularly in public, to quote Richard Dawkins, they are "worse than wrong." Their comments not only bear no relationship to the voluminous and current scientific evidence at hand that bear on the issue. Their prominence does harm by making people believe in an idea that is both fallacious and could lead to harm to people with this disorder and their families. Jordan's comments are equivalent to the theory of Bruno Bettelheim about autism back in the 40s and 50s when he asserted that the condition arose from cold, callous, unloving "refrigerator mothers." His prominence led people to believe that, governments and colleagues to accept it at face value, and treatment programs developed around the idea when there was not a shred of evidence to support the position. The decades of cruelty suffered by people with ASD and their families was atrocious and inexcusable and is one of the worst historical periods in the history of ASD. So, no, we are not going to repeat that tragedy again by allowing prominent professionals to utter such rubbish publicly and, by inference, blame parents for a neuro-developmental disorder. Jordan's argument clearly implies that it is parents who are at fault for not letting their children, boys in particular, engage in rough and tumble play. This is the very same sort of "parent bashing" engaged in by Bettelheim and others who saw the learning, development, and behaviors disorders of children as merely the parents' fault. So when celebrity expert psychologists make outrageously wrong statements about a neurodevelopment disorder that have the potential to inflict harm we are entitled to be outraged. This is not some mere misunderstanding or erroneous citation of a study where two well informed scientists might have an understandable difference of opinion. Yes, that might warrant your suggestion of speaking to him privately. But that is far from the case here. So, no, I will not engage in some respectful collegial dialogue with someone who makes statements that are worse than wrong and does so repeatedly in an area of our field in which he clearly has no expertise and that could reverse decades of advances we have made it helping the public to scientifically understand this disorder. It is incumbent upon him to publicly state he is wrong and apologize to those who he has harmed by this repeatedly stated nonsense. And it is incumbent on experts in the field like my self to call him out on it publicly for doing so."
Thank you. From a 50 year old woman who was only diagnosed in the past few months and has struggled academically and in work my entire life. JP is so wrong on this that him declaring it as fact is deeply damaging.
I used to listen to Peterson, thinking he had a different perspective. Then I realised he is spreading misinformation (knowingly) in many instances, not just about this. R???sm, f???cism, right-**** c?????cies... instead of creating responsible intellectuals, he is creating dom*c ter*s. He is displaying all the signs of Psy**** Nar****.
Sorry, but I am unimpressed with your whole rebuttal. It is known that activity actually helps the brain develop new neural connections so suggesting that lack of play might be a cause is NOT saying it's not a physical difference in the brain. It's more complicated than that. I have watched 12 minutes of your talk so far and the mistakes and sheer waffle in it are upsetting me. Why not do an interview with Peterson and debate this properly?
This video MADE MY DAY! As a therapist who works with ADHD children, has ADHD, and has a family full of people with ADHD, people like Jordan Peterson infuriate me. Thank you for making this, and for all you've done for the ADHD community.
Geniune question here : What is the best evidence you can think of in terms of categorizing ADHD as a real disorder worth addressing with either medication or therapeutic means? Studies, papers, books, arguments are all welcome. I'll add in all transparency that I 100% believe psychology and psychiatry to be pseudosciences using subjectivity and poor statistical logic to come to flawed conclusions with (in many cases) either fabricated data or poor data as was shown in the latest scandals of the past 10-20 years of science fraud. I don't necessarily share Peterson's conclusion about lack of play (for the same reason I disagree with the opinion that ADHD is a valid disorder), but I think ADHD is just a cash cow of the psychology/psychiatry industry like any typical homeopathic remedy for other pseudomedicine. I'm open to being wrong and would appreciate hard evidence if it exists.
Thank you, Dr. Barkley. I can’t thank you enough for making this video. I believe you are absolutely correct when you say Jordan Peterson‘s opinions on ADHD is causing harm. Because it actually is causing harm between my husband and I. I have ADHD, and was diagnosed at age 30, not long after my 6 year old son was diagnosed. He is now 24, and an engineer for a military contractor, as well as, a highly trained urban search and rescue volunteer for our state. I consider his early diagnosis, medication, and the ADHD coaching that helped him develop effective coping skills, for his success. (& his own hard work, of course) My husband is Nuro-typical, and while we know he loves and cares for us deeply, he still finds it very difficult to truly understand our daily struggle with having ADHD. (Even though he has witnessed it for decades now). However, my husband has begun listening to Jordan Peterson’s podcasts, lectures and interviews. And unfortunately, somewhere along the way, my husband seems to have become even less understanding or forgiving towards us when it comes to our ADHD struggles. It’s causing, pain, frustration and anger, in me, and confusion and hurt, in our son. Again, my husband is a good person and loves us, but clearly to him, Jordan Peterson sounds very believable.
That sounds horrible for you - I'm so sorry you're going through this. Peterson has a lot of (shall we say) issues, I sense. 🙃 Do you think he might be up for watching some of Dr B's earlier bite-size videos on ADHD? He explains things so very well, and is very engaging, so I wonder if it might be worth a try? Either way, I do hope you find a way through this... 🤗
I'm so sorry, but your husband is nowhere near being "a good person who loves us." I know it's difficult, very difficult, but try to step back and look at what you've described his actions to be - what kind of person he *actually* is, not what you want or wish him to be. For 18+ years, he's refused to listen to his wife and adult son, and instead he's emotionally and mentally abused them. He's refused to do any actual research into the science of ADHD, including the innumerable scientific studies over 50+ years. Instead, he'd rather let a fool tell him what to think than to do his own work on the subject (which would expose Peterson as the liar he is in less than 30 minutes) and support his wife and son. No, it's time to get out of there. Perhaps you'll get enough from the divorce to be financially secure, and you can surround yourself with other like-minded people who support, listen, and encourage you. I hope you are (or can quickly get) financially secure, so you can leave and divorce that horrible excuse for a husband. Sorry, but he makes the men who are intelligent, caring, supportive, understanding... husbands look bad. He doesn't represent me or any of the other excellent husbands and fathers out there. You deserve far far better. I'm just sorry that you've been abused for so long that you've been conditioned to think an abuser like him is a "good person and loves us," when he's actually the exact opposite. 18+ YEARS to get a a clue and learn how to care for his wife and son. No, the imbecile has had his chances. Get away from him while you still can.
@@rigpod4821 I think it is a difference in thinking, rather than "abuse". Stop labeling everything as abuse when you have zero knowledge about a person's life outside of a RUclips comment. You are taking the meaning out of the word "abuse", which can be really damaging to actual victims.
For what it's worth, Dr Barkley, it seems pretty clear to me that your level of animation and passion in this video arises from your level of concern for the many people who struggle with the impact ADHD has on their lives. I'm just a coach, and a new one at that, and I'm often horrified by the amount of misinformation out there. As you know, people with ADHD are often desperate to make sense of themselves and what they experience, and they look to places like RUclips, Instagram, the traditional media and other platforms for answers - especially when they can't afford professional support. Their families and friends also pick up on all this nonsense. It really does cause harm. We need people like you to critically engage with and challenge opinions like this, because that's what they are, opinions - not research, not hard-earned experience with sufferers, and not lived-experience.
Yes this is very true particularly the part about people that have this condition trying to make sense of their life. It's also why people that have ADHD can watch as many motivational videos as they want but not actually improve.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff Yup, same for me. Esp. with D.r. K/Healthy Gamer videos. But also sucks that Dr. K also seems to be biased against some ADHD stuff because he "would have been diagnosed as a kid, but got better with just meditating" and stuff, ugh x-x The restis good info, though, but usually to be taken with a grain of salt, ofc.
Indeed, my passion arises from the outrageousness of the claims by Peterson and the harms it can do. See my comment above about Peterson's view as being tantamount to bettelheims in earlier decades concern ASD being due to unaffectionate, "refrigerator" mothers. Thanks for watching.
@@Chizuru94 I mean meditating can help don't get me wrong but to pretend that that's a permanent solution to ADHD seems like wishful thinking. I do think meditation is good though.
I had a therapist who told me I likely didn't have ADHD, as it was often misdiagnosed. But that I was just very intelligent and bored. Well, it turned out I'm on the autism spectrum as well as having ADHD, and once I switched to a psychology professional who knew what she was talking about, and I was given practical strategies, my life improved tenfold. This misinformation by Peterson is actively dangerous and could potentially be life-threatening if the wrong person took it to heart.
@@russellbarkleyphd2023 Dr. Barkley, there's a chance I might not have graduated from school without your work and popularizing of the science behind ADHD. You helped make it clear to me that it was my issue, and after getting diagnosed with it, I actually have made a nice life for myself. Keep up the good fight, thank you so much.
Just got told by the psychiatrist that he doesn't think i have adhd, and that the people who really have adhd - most of them are in jail, or excluded from society in some way (Also made the point several times that it is often misdiagnosed, and told me with some irritability that around 80% of whom he is seeing come for adhd diagnosis). Also gave me the whole "everybody have those symptoms sometimes". Basically told me im just not trying hard enough - and that maybe i should consider another profession if i find it so hard (studying computer science - which i love). I don't know where to go from here, cause if it's not adhd, idk what it is. And trying harder is not working..
The next step is to find another opinion. That's like textbook in my opinion. A lot of those comments are like gaslighting, they don't know *your* life, and the truth is living with ADHD is full of people calling you lazy, scatterbrained, messy, etc. There are loads of strategies, and if this guy's not going to help, he's not worth your time or money. IMO.@@simonjensen596
Psychologists don’t actually study how the brain works… I wouldn’t take any advice from one with regards to neurodevelopmental disorders. The buck stops with psychiatrists.
What a great response. The missed play opportunity is particularly funny to me because w whole swath of people, particularly women, being diagnosed, are Gen x. We were sent outside to play all the time. We had so much unstructured play time just to let our parents do their housework unencumbered
This is going to be a bit a firy comment for some as smart/intellectual/calm as Mr Barkley, but to comment in a minimally less motivated way, so answering: *"Thank you, Dr. Barkley, for taking this stance against the ongoing problem of celebrity psychology content."* That is not a problem at all ^^ the problem is ignoring psychology way more, overall jordan peterson probably improved things by drawing attention on adhd, and maybe he also did a bit of a "this is just hypothesis" and i agree with Russel Barkley of course but i think Jordan Peterson at least is eloquent and does debattes where some of his predecessors where not as willing to do that. I think he has many good sides one is he ACTUALLY talks about mental health somethimes so we should not forget that. Dont attack "the better/good" if its not perfect if that means things get worse (i know its hard to beleive but as a example, mental health is so little spoken off that with 15million subscribers CNN rather has sealions getting seizures and health problems form neurotoxic algea and how they get broght to "sealion" hospiral and personalized treatment and stay free of charge whereas many mental health problems are dealt with at gunpoint or by "ignoring" and only fixing problems if they spill oder to the "higher societys" like when cute cildren get attacked by guns at school or when covit risks the rich grandparents, but not so much when its not as direct to see the massive economic opportunitiycost of non finetuned/optimally/AI/Machine lerning treated medication tiltration.
I agree with Dr. Barkley however he too has had somewhat of a celebrity bit with regards to ADHD. People view his word as if he knows it all. This maybe the case however I feel he tends to speak more to the extreme noticeable end of the spectrum. I have listened to some videos where it seems he disregards to some extent the inattentive ADHD presentation. First it was ADHD, then Anxiety then Depression. Not the course for everyone but it sucks. Since nobody can see, hear or feel what’s going on in a scattered brain because they are the “good quiet little girl” they tend to believe it’s not impairing. In Barkleys case he seems to want to put these out of the ADHD discussion and put them in the slow cognitive tempo group. There’s another term they have come up with for it.
Dr. Peterson is a psychologist whose expertise long precedes his celebrity, and he isn't a perfect expert in ADHD or anything else, but to claim he is entirely ignorant and off-base is not an objective or fair assessment. No one is completely lacking in insight to x phenomenon, or is an absolute human panacea of knowledge either.
Thank you so much for this video, and all of your work. As somebody who was diagnosed with ADHD 22 years ago in a juvenile detention center, getting a proper diagnosis and the right treatment saved my life. But it really gets to me when I still hear people spouting off nonsense about ADHD, and what's worse, it feels like it's been getting louder lately. It's particularly maddening when these people should know better. Especially because the reason I only got diagnosed in a juvenile detention center (e.g., once i got in real trouble), was due to the school psychologist for my district being in the "ADHD is a fraud" camp. Keep doing what you're doing. Your efforts to set the record straight are so needed. Thanks again.
I'm so glad you got that Dx at a (relatively) young age still. Amazing that you got a Dx inside a detention centre, though the disproportionate number of (esp) boys who end up somewhere like that, means it makes sense. I was Dx recently at 50 and I mourn the loss of so many years of beating myself up, believing myself to be a failure and useless (despite gaining a degree, and having a relatively successfully SE career - though only through pushing myself to the point of burnout 😒)
There is a huge amount of research on the connection between risk taking behaviour in individuals with ADHD and the justice system. Many in the field believe that lots more testing should be done on incarcerated populations for adhd.
@@Dancestar1981 In Switzerland (where I live), psychiatric evaluations are standard for juvenile delinquents. Rather than solely punishing, the focus is on rehabilitation, evident in the setup of our juvenile assessment centers. Juveniles reside in group homes resembling ordinary apartments (of course they are more secure than ordinary apartments), accommodating 7-9 individuals. These centers typically have attached schools and farms. The psychiatric evaluations aim to: a) Determine if the juvenile poses a risk to themselves or others. b) Identify any disorders in the juvenile. c) Understand the root causes of their delinquent behavior. Until the risk assessment is complete, new inmates are placed in a high-security group home. After assessment, they're relocated to a suitable group home. All juveniles have assigned chores. While security is present, social educators in each home (usually 5-6) guide the juveniles in daily responsibilities, from household chores to school and medical appointments. Personally, I worked on the farm, waking at 5am daily for animal care (feeding, letting them out of their pen and guide them to the pasture, cleaning the pen). After morning chores, I'd have breakfast, attend school, attend therapy sessions, enjoy an hour of free time, and then continue farm tasks until 6pm. The evening involved dinner, homework, and a routine that ended with bedtime. This ironically leads to a situation where juveniles with a conviction are more likely to get effective treatment. This setup is still heavily criticised and perceived as too soft/lenient by a lot of politicians (especially from the conservative side) since they do not believe that this is a suitable punishment (they call it Kuscheljustiz - cuddling justice). However, as somebody who has spent one year in such a setup I can say that it was probably the most effective way to get me back on track. Also I challenge any politician to work on a farm for a year besides their day job and then tell me again that this is "lenient".
Thank you so much for this Dr. Barkley. Your outrage, and impassioned response, was so validating. I was a little girl with ADHD diagnosed as a 38 year old woman. The ignorance, and women and girls being deleted from the discussions by rampant idiots, is retraumatizing.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD). Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
@@patioprimate4740 One is the preeminent researcher on ADHD and the other is someone who’s license is in question because he keeps talking about topics he isn’t qualified to talk about. So sure, support your guy I guess.
@@sumurdoch One I already refuted, the other has his license threatened because he talked about politics on twitter. Maybe you are the one who is unqualified to speak.
@@patioprimate4740 I don’t think you understood the differences in the two points that Dr. Barkley was making, plus you skipped over all the rest of the argument to stick to your own point that you believe to be salient. I’m not claiming I have authority on ADHD outside my own lived experience, I’m claiming the preeminent ADHD researcher has more than the guy who is causing real harm, to those like me, with his uneducated, unscientific, and personally/politically motivated garbage. I don’t need to call him out, every respected scientist, researcher, and scholar does that for me. I’m sorry you tethered yourself to this lame horse. I’m feeling pretty good about my education. Your opinion (and choice of hero’s) says all I need to know about yours. For clarity, I don’t thing you are stupid or uneducated, I think you are misguided and it’s too bad.
@@patioprimate4740you keep repeating this comment under everyone's comments. No matter what they're commenting. What kind of weird affection do you have for this issue? Is it Peterson himself, you're so excited to "defend"? Since no one has properly answered you, I happily will. The research that he cited as peterson's main basis for his play related theory, is 40+yrs old as you keep repeating. Yes, but he also states many times, that the precise issue he has with his use of this, in his professional opinion unrelated study, is that it negates the following 30yrs of research by neurologists and psychiatrists. These are not "pseudo sciences" as you claim. These are medical doctors and research biologists and geneticists and other scientists. This is work that has been peer reviewed and studied using brain images, genetic testing, and replicable studies. The reason he is so passionately citing the lack of validity in a decades old study, is because of the many (as he says thousands) of research papers and years of research on the subject since that have since disproved it. That's how science works. When someone is disproven in research, they write about it. You can find it yourself, once again as he indicates in the video, by using Google scholar or any scholarly research tool you prefer like pubmed.
Thank you for making this video. I grew up on a farm with tons of rough and tumble play as he would call it. We had no screens, no internet, no cable, spent all day outside playing in nature, ate locally grown food only (literally just vegetables and meat no processed food) Despite all this, I was still diagnosed with ADD (adhd inattentive type) in my teens. Was such an eye roll to hear Dr peterson say that stuff so casually, when I know that I had the literal perfect environment in his eyes, but still developed adhd. I tried to outhink my adhd, felt like there was something wrong with me for too long by avoiding treatment and accommodations for years because of crap like this. I hope that one day a kid with adhd won't feel like there's something wrong with him for struggling because of something that isn't his fault, that he is taken seriously and gets treatment.
YEAH, the reason why the Amish don't get ADHD isn't because they don't have screens/television. It's because they have a secure attachment style due to the mom's taking their babies with them to work in the farms, unlike mennonites who leave their babies at home. I read that in the book "Clean: The New Science of Skin". The book "ADHD: A Diagnosis in Denial" also talks about how people with ADHD have an insecure attachment style.
@@moondog7694 Interesting. I have ADHD and an extremely insecure attachment style. But so do both of my parents, probably generational epi-genetic trauma. Who knows until there are proper scientific studies done.
It’s a genetic neurological brain wiring difference with a biological advantage in certain circumstances. We would have been the night watchmen in the days of prehistoric humanity protecting the community from predators while the rest of the tribe slept. We would be the ones tinkering with ideas and resources to see what they could do and thinking outside the box. We were the engineers who discovered the wheel, the scientists who learned to navigate and construct using the stars in the heavens, the poets and musicians who entertained everyone as the rest of the mob sat around talking.
Dr. Barkley, I am a 62 year old male who suffers from ADHD. I see a Psychiatrist and psychologist and they both agree I have ADHD. I am fortunate to have people in my corner and help me deal with ADHD issues and without their help, I would not be in a good place today. So thank you for your response and your stable input with ADHD. I truly appreciate you and your work. Please do not stop sharing the information about ADHD you have provided to people like me. Your work has made a difference in my life and so many others like me. Thank you.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD). Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
Gabor Maté doesn't deny a hereditary component of ADHD, which he suggests is sensitivity causing higher responsiveness to environmental stimuli, which may account for the development of ADHD in certain individuals but not others within a shared environment, but he also suggests that characteristics of our environment that may effect physiological response are under studied. To learn too far on the nature side of the old nature vs nurture debate is biological essentialism. Thinking we cannot change and that our personality is predetermined by biology instead of learned/created and stored in the biology of the body, in the synapses of the brain, when we can change what we learn and view an idea as false that we once viewed as true. Biological essentialism denies this agency, the neuroplasticity of the brain. Gabor Maté is clear about there being a reciprocal relationship between parent and child, and that blaming parents is unhelpful, and believes that recognition of causes of trauma are useful to treat it, and that dismissal of how small t trauma can contribute to societal ills is a dogma within the field.
It's such a huge task to counter all the misinformation coming from various media sources that we are exposed to daily. As someone who is newly immersing into the ADHD world/diagnosis, I want to thank you, Dr. Barkley, for taking the time to advocate for all of us and educate us about this condition
A pirate t-shirt, glass of wine and John Wick? I knew you were a legend because of your incredible work regarding ADHD, but you've just gotten even more badass if possible.
What's more damaging, thinking you have power to change your behavior or making up arbitrary behavior disorders to sell billions of dollars of pills to everyone and allow them the privilege of thinking it's not their fault? This video was pseudoscience at best with countless logical fallacies to prove a point.
@@zensukai That's just backwards burden of proof. The burden is on the person making a claim, not it's interlocutor which in this case is people being told ADHD is a valid disorder worth addressing with medication and other therapeutic means. At best, the only claim I have made worthy of being proved is that this was pseudoscience and that there were logical fallacies. For the pseudoscience part, I can't disprove a scientific claim if there are none. The only claims worth addressing in this video were that ''research from 30+ years is bad'' which is just an appeal to novelty fallacy and the other one was that ''the causes of ADHD are likely single events and genetics'' which is just easily dismissable with the fact that any arbitrary behavior category will be explained by genetics (as behavior has genetic components), that doesn't prove a diagnosis is real, it's known as a fundamental error of attritbution fallacy in statistics. For the logical fallacies, there are just too many to go one by one over them here. Feel free to bolster this PhD's case for him if you'd like.
@@Not.a.bird.Person Dr Barkley is not the only one who supports ADHD ... There is a plethora of science based data. If you choose to be close minded and just call it pseudoscience, you are more welcome. But the case has been proven with evidence; you on the other have shown/provided any evidence other than your biased opinion. Again, your choice.
@@zensukai ''Dr Barkley is not the only one who supports ADHD ... There is a plethora of science based data.'' ''The Pope is not the only one supporting the existence of God, there are plenty of theology PhDs all across the world. You can choose to be close-minded'' Is the exact same logic used here, they are both as invalid as any pseudoscientific claim relying on appeals to authority and appeals to majority... If it is so easy to prove the validity of ADHD as a disorder, go right ahead... No one is holding you back. My job is not to disprove the equivalent of your Russell's teapot here.
As an executive teacher at what most people call a 'Behaviour School', I have gained knowledge and insight from you for years and gone on to help so many students, and families, of adolescent students with ADHD thanks to your RESEARCH based findings. Jordan's words have and will continue to have a negative effect for many years given that an ill-informed, frustrated and largely uneducated audience will grasp it. Thank you for your response and mainly for the amazing contribution you have given for decades. I appluad you. Greetings from Coffs Harbour, NSW, Australia
Thanks, Andy. He is taking us back to the days of parent bashing over kids with neurodevelopmental disorders just as Bettelheim did in the 1940s onward for ASD. It’s a disgrace.
I can’t say how much I appreciate this rebuttal. Your advocacy for the lived reality of people with ADHD, the scientific research and the clinical practice in this area is admirable.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD). Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
You're a good man. ADHD is absolutely real and I was diagnosed with it at age 5. It has affected my life in so many ways. Thank you for defending us who struggle with it.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD). Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
Thank you. I’ve just been diagnosed (aged 50, female) with ADHD. My school reports could be used to describe a girl with ADHD. My teachers, who liked and cared about me, knew there was something wrong beyond my diagnosis of dyslexia (make comments along those lines in my reports) but could have had no idea I had ADHD. No one in the U.K. (and probably the US) was diagnosing ADHD in girls back in the 1980s. I had plenty of play as a child. Some of my strongest memories is of playing with my brother and school friends. Several of my first cousins have diagnosis of ADHD and grew up in different family structures and even in different countries. I’m certain my mother had it, as well as my aunts and my brother. It is most definitely not caused by a lack of play.
I'm like you, 50s girl, and nope, no one would've diagnosed me in the 80s. And if they had, if I'd gotten help, I wouldn't have spent my adult life feeling like I'm failing at everything. ❤
@@Dancestar1981 yes I used the dyslexia diagnosis as well my bother and several first cousins being diagnosed as grounds for having an assessment when I was originally refused.
Follow professional practice and "admit the limits of your expertise". I just don't think that's possible for someone endowed with the amount of hubris and ego thatJordan Peterson appears to be. Like a lot of these pop psychs. and scientists he is addicted to the sound of his own voice and believes he can pontificate on just about anything with zero regard for real expertise, scholarship, evidence, peer review or ultimately harmful impact. People like Peterson give psychology a bad name by sprouting aphorisms and linguistic verbiage in the name of psychology which really just serve to make them sound smart and sell their name or their books. Thank you for having the courage over your convictions sir and thank you for not giving him more air time which way too many people who should know better give him.
Hi Dr Barkley, I wanted to let you know that I owe you a huge debt of gratitude. I have struggled for my entire life with so many things, and it wasn't until last year I started to become aware that almost all of these symptoms were associated with ADHD. This sent me on a journey of discovery and ultimately led me to you, and your wonderful talks on RUclips. After listening to you speak so eloquently on the subject I decided to seek a diagnosis because of how strongly the things you described resonated with me. Of course, I got formally diagnosed with ADHD and am now medicated as a result. This is in no small part down to you. You are a credit to your field and come across as a wonderful, empathetic and understanding human being. I just wanted to thank you for the work you continue to do to this day in helping educate people on what is frankly a terrible (and often misunderstood) disorder that impacts the lives of so many. We will likely never meet, but if we do you can expect a hug and some tears. Thank you once again and I wish you all the very best in your future endeavours.
3:30 Thank you for this, as someone who considers themsleves as you put it, "on the left"; cancelling, on the whole, is unhelpful and does not actually get people to examine critically the opinions that are being platformed, it only gets people to double down and deeper into what their opinions.
Bravo Dr. Barkley, you explained it so well. I've got ADHD , diagnosed as an adult, way too late. When I listen to Peterson I want to throw up because of the level of Ignoranz. Thank you for coming forward and making things so clear. ❤
Dr. Barkley, yes, I'm listening while typing. Thank you so much for calling out the quack with FACTS! I just turned 65. If anyone does a study on postmenopausal people let me know! The symptoms change as time goes on. It has nothing to do with how little rough and tumble play I get!
Appreciate you doing this as I was very disappointed to hear Peterson's views on ADHD. It causes harm and adds to the stigma. People really latch onto to everything he says so nice to see a rebuttal.
Exactly, I liked JP years ago when he first started, but since he has let politics and other stuff get to his head he has really fallen off the deep end. It's good we have commentary like this to balance it out.
This video came on the perfect time for me, I literally got diagnosed last week with Adult ADD, struggling 23 years. Few days ago I saw the commentary of Jordan Peterson and felt absolutely stupid and sad by believing what he was saying. Now that I saw your video and researched more studies of you I actually got my hopes back. It sucks as Jordan Peterson was a big inspiration for me, but the fame took his ego and blindness. I sincerely thank you for your knowledge and the work your do, I really hope Peterson apologizes and does his research as this damages so many people with his reach.
@@laymanlinguist God that's awfull, the danger misinformation on social media is the growing virus these days. It's a good lesson for me to always do research after every claim.
Make sure you have someone to discuss parts of your life negatively affected by ADHD/ADD. It can be depressing. I would get a therapist. You will need an objective person. Objectivity cost.
@@LAExposeTruthorTirade Yeh i have it right now and it's helping a lot. Do you have any other tips or routines that help performance problems? I'm open te take medication aswell hopefully that's gonna work a bit, but what I've heard what helps most is sticking on a adhd routine.
@@paolovanoudenallen2272 Here's a bunch of strategies/tips/resources I've amassed since my own diagnosis in case it's helpful. Good wishes to you! : - ) - Visible reminders that the Catch-22 of ADHD is having to use a glitchy executive function system to monitor executive functions, therefore it's to be expected that forgetting I have a problem is part of the problem and my supports are there to HELP me (I can be rebellious after a lifetime of people shaming and should-ing on me when I was trying my best ; - ) - Pre-planning structures and systems so I don't have to work so hard or stress so much (some details below) - Temptation bundling boring tasks with something fun or rewarding during/and or right afterwards (podcast, music, etc.) In general, rewards, rewards, rewards! ; - D - Using a visual timer for X minutes to gamify tasks/create the illusion of urgency (I do a modified version of the Pomodoro system, varying the times based on the task/my energy/available time, etc.) - Turning off email and text alerts and only checking them at set times - Separating my Planning-Prioritizing and Doing functions by picking a max of one to three "must-do" tasks the day before and doing them first-ish (reduces decision overwhelm and stress and ensures most important things get done) - To help prioritize, asking what would have the most return on investment - CONDENSING Focused Productive Time earlier in the day so I get to spend more of my day/life feeling successful : - ) - For really challenging tasks or IBNUs (important but not urgent), using a visual timer and putting a note in my eye line with What I'm working on, the Why (big picture benefit), and my Reward for immediately afterwards ; - D - Using reminder alarms to TAKE BREAKS (and come back from them ; - ) plus a note somewhere I can't miss (e.g. on top of keyboard) of what I was working on and the next step to continue it - Having set check-in times to evaluate how the day is going/what I'd like to do next, plus a stress reduction technique and a mini reward : - ) - Using a calendar and creating a habit to add items to it immediately - Data dumping all to-dos in one place - Using electronic alarms and reminders - visual reminders in the physical environment (a note on door handle for an item in the fridge, a to-do list of priorities on top of keyboard) - "Paying" myself for especially odious tasks with guilt-free money or time spent on something I enjoy - Doing mini bursts of movement to reset and reenergize throughout the day (waving arms, marching in place, dancing to one song, taking a walk, etc.) - Scheduling IBNUs, exercise, and essential chores like laundry on the calendar with an electronic reminder and a juicy reward : - ) (Recommend ADHD experts John Ratey and/or Ed Hallowell for inspiration on the benefits of exercise for ADHD) -------- RUclips channels: - How to ADHD with Jessica McCabe - Clutterbug's videos on ADHD - ADHD Jesse (his Avoiding Toxic Productivity advice has over a million views for a reason : - ) - ADDitude mag online - CHADD support groups for ADHD - Russell Barkley's validating 8-9-23 video "ADHD & Time Blindness" - Thomas Frank's video "How to Never Be Late Again - College Info Geek" (illustrates accounting for the "invisible" units of time required to be on time) -------- If you're read this far, give yourself a reward for learning about ADHD! ; - D
I really appreciate this video. My brother and I were both adopted from different families, I have adhd, my brother had fetal alcohol syndrome. They're wildly different conditions and they're both very real. Thank you for your work and dedication to this community xo
I am so grateful that this appeared on my recommended list. I admire the passion and dedication to the scientific method. As someone who struggles to cope with ADHD daily, I’ve had to do my own research to ferret out the mechanisms which alter my life experience. It’s very refreshing to hear someone who knows what they are talking about, and to quash the unfounded notions of naysayers who’s posits hold no water. Thank you so much.
Not to worry Dr. Barkley. I know you are the premier expert on ADHD. You are one of the folks that helped led me to my diagnosis. I am so happy that you have this channel to make your lectures more easily available.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD). Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
@@patioprimate4740I'm sorry that you can't ejaculate without thinking about JP. But let me explain something called nuance to your underdeveloped brain. It's okay to like JP and also recognize he has no idea what he's talking about on certain subjects. But to you: "If he's wrong about this that must mean they're saying he's wrong about everything! If he's wrong about something I can't like him anymore!" Grow up and move out of your mom's house. P.S. I love JP. I think he's a genius when it comes to certain topics that I won't get into. But I'm also not 3 years old. He's an idiot about ADHD. And that's okay. I just won't watch his discussions on that topic. Again, grow up.
It's times like these that make me appreciate your channel even more than usual. Having somebody that is well spoken and has the receipts and who is willing to speak up for the affected is absolutely invaluable. As always, thank you so much for doing the work and speaking about it.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD). Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
Thanks for sticking up for us Doc. Your videos have been the single best source of help in understanding and coping with ADHD. Funnily enough, John Wick is my imaginary patron saint of ADHD related struggles. He didn't want to get dragged back into his old life but he always finds a way to keep going and keep pushing forward no matter how hopeless the situation seems.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD). Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
Thank you. Looking forward to listening to this whole thing after work!! When I was diagnosed at 30, after I hit a huge personal and professional rock bottom, YOUR lectures are where I found myself. At night, on my lunch break, I listened, and relistened. Thank you for so much valuable info. And the hard numbers and stats you presented were the final reason I decided to go ahead and try stimulant meds (with great success). I was listening to you talk about car accidents, and your loss of your brother, and was like……oh. Totaled 2 cars in wrecks, and had a smattering of 8-9 small wrecks over the years. Not to mention my divorce lol, and the years upon years of “you have so much potential, if you’ll only applyyyyy yourselffff..” 😅
I got diagnosed at the age of 35, then I'm like damnnnnn so that's why I get into car accidents ALL the time! Like seriously my car looks like a wreck, people keep asking don't you wanna get that patched up I'm like nah it's just gonna get scratched and shit again so I don't care at this point 😂 Congratulations at getting diagnosed!! Probably the best thing to ever happen to our lives at this age 😄
THANK YOU! I put off treatment for half a decade because of this guy. He cost me years of health, relationships, my career! Thank you for rebutting the things he says!
Thank you Dr Barkley. How timely and powerful is your info for debunking this shockingly damaging misinformation by influential figures like Dr Jordan Peterson!
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD). Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
Thank you Dr Barkley. I got diagnosed at 32 and I have to admit that I would share Peterson's opinions had I not experienced it personally. Even after diagnosis, I had my doubts until I heard Dr Barkley speak on it.
I came here today expecting to learn something new, but was pleasantly surprised by 27 minutes of T-shirt wearing, wine drinking Dr. Barkley ripping the dreaded Jordan Peterson a new one. What a treat! 🎉 In all seriousness, thank you for calling out his misinformation and dangerous politically motivated opinions. We need voices like your challenging him.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD). Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
If you are calling Jordan Peterson "dreaded" I assume you are making a broad brush comment on him that he does more harm than good. I've only ever heard that statement out of people who have only seen soundbites from him, or at least haven't done a deep dive. He has hours and hours and hours and hours of unscripted talking on RUclips. He's made thousands of statements and of course everyone will disagree with some of them. There's not a human being alive that I would agree with literally 100% of the time on everything, especially when dealing with that volume of statements. I've never in my life, encountered anyone who thought that he was actually a bad or negative influence on the world who wasn't coming at it from an ideological perspective. On the hall, he's absolutely a force for good. The numbers of people who are their own worst enemy and going down the wrong path in life who he provided the guidance for so that they could get themselves on track are innumerable. He constantly has people coming up to him and telling him how he's convinced them to stop playing video games and smoking weed and actually work to further their lives and repair relationships with family and friends and become a dependable person who contributes to their family and community in the world. I can't express to you, the sadness in my heart when people take someone that has dedicated their lives to truly helping people and casts them as wholesale bad because they family disagreed with one or two things that person has said out of the thousands of things they've said. I don't know who your absolute hero is, but I guarantee that person has said, and done things that would make you shake your head and be disappointed in them. If you held the same standard for Jordan that you're doing for everybody else, you literally think everybody was bad.
@@EstellaLynn I vehemently disagree with him on a few things, ADHD being one of them because oh boy do I ever have it. So what though? I've heard him say hundreds and hundreds of things. If I disagree with a half dozen of them that still means I agree with 98% of it. The fact you feel I'm coming at him from an ideological perspective because you thought I agreed with him on one particular issue says more about you than me. I can't imagine agreeing with anybody 100% of the time. You think he's a negative on the world and are willing to throw out all the good he's done because you disagree with him on your particular button issue again, says more about you than him.
Thank you very much for this, I got evaluated a couple of days ago, and am now waiting for the results, I came across Peterson saying ADHD was a myth and I felt lazy, like an impostor. I sort of always followed him but never too sincerely, and now I have this self-doubt spiral that I'm just making excuses, and the wait till I get my results is going to be very anxiety-ridden. This video was really helpful, thank you for this and all your hardwork in the field.
It’s awful we hear so many negative comments our entire lives from family, friends, peers, work colleagues and society in general accusing us of being lazy when we are the complete opposite. We work 10 times harder to achieve half the results of the average neurotypical person. When we are in our element we outshine all of those around us like the brightest star
In regards to Peterson (and many others): If you ask someone a question, he/she will answer. And it's rarely a "I dont know". If you are a celebrity its probably even harder to say "I dont know" if you dont have a clue. I appreciate you being very clear about his unqualified opinions in regards to ADHD and I would just love to see more people say "I dont know" when they dont.
You clearly don't listen to the man very often. Jordan says he doesn't know all the time, and often do he will say something and the person interviewing him gives him pushback and an alternative idea, and he will almost always truly contemplate that idea and he very often says that the other person is either completely right or partially right. He's absolutely open to the idea of him being wrong, and there are countless examples of this. I wish people would actually learn about the guy from more than a couple sound bites before attacking him.
Thank you Dr. As an ADHD individual im in tears hearing someone use a platform to speak in defense instead of having to do it alone. Your last point my life proves with my time in the Marine Infantry. I excelled at the training. Instant gratification in improvement of skills that is immediately provable and measurable. Civie life? Well now I work for tips and do well because its instant gratification of my performance.
Psychologist Rob K. Henderson (who does NOT have ADHD) speaks of his time in the military as a success in part because it is set up to have a "tight link between actions and consequences" which he believes is a pretty good set-up for most young men. It struck me that this might be especially useful for those suffering from ADHD; too bad the military (understandably) doesn't accept recruits who take ADHD medication.
Thank you so much, Dr. Barkley. I struggle so much and people like Jordan Peterson trying to discredit my experience and disability does hurt, it hurts my ability to seen and cared for. I appreciate that you made this video.
Thank you. You have explained in your videos ADHD in a way that I have known about myself intuitively my entire life. The behaviors you've explained, I already knew about myself. Things I struggled with, things I thought were deficiencies within myself, no matter how much I tried working on, with psychological professional "help" which were not successful, because they didn't understand what I was dealing with. Thank you for calling out Jordan Peterson. My experience with mental health professionals has proven to me, even in psychological circles, confirmation bias is a thing. Btw, I have ADHD and high functioning ASD, which made dealing with these "pros" even more problematic. The need for sugar, short breaks, small goals, exercise, ✅️✅️✅️✅️. I have a twin brother who is ADHD as well, I have had rough and tumble play, with the knee scars to prove it. Btw, ASD effects multiple generations of family on my paternal side and ADHD on my mother's.
Dual diagnosis is the double whammy I have it too we just have to find our special niche to be able to use our incredible strengths in the service of humanity and that in itself will give us huge dopamine hits in a positive way
Would you believe last night I was just thinking how nice it would be to have a real scientist in the field with a good understanding of the relevant literature address peterson’s views on ADHD. The esteem in which Peterson holds psychoanalysis and Jung in particular tells you everything you need to know about where empiricism sits in his epistemological framework.
Great video Dr Barclay. Thank you for responding to this. I think it is important that experts such as yourself come forward when none experts are attmpting to disseminate damging false information. I had to laugh when you apologised for the level of passion and emotion on the video - these are things you will never have to aplogise to us ADHDers about, we feel you. ❤
I watched a video of Peterson sit in a coffee shop with Ben Shapiro "debunking" transgender community by talking in circles about his own personal daddy issues. Not a single word critically debunking anything. Thank you for explaining to the world how ignorant he is.
Jordan Peterson is a case study on projection. The guy has some deep, apparently unresolved psychological issues. How people don't see this is beyond me.
@@DavidLombardo He used to seem relatively normal, prior to all the fame! (And the loss of a loved one, the depression, and the benzo addiction..) When he first was thrust onto the scene, I watched some of his old lectures, and he really has had great things to say about philosophy, Jungian archetypes, social psych, etc. Nowadays, though, he needs to drop the ego and stay in his damn lane 🤡
@@DannyD-lr5ygjungian archetypes are mostly pseudoscience by modern standard in psychology and he was pretty ignorant on philosophy since his early days
@@ghostxl8525 Archetypes are a helpful tool - neither magical nor hard science. They're what you make of them: a way to think about life, yourself, or others in a metaphorical way, allowing you to open your mind to insight and alternative lines of thinking that you might otherwise be closed off to. Considering archetypes as a way to gain insight is no different than gleaning insight about your life after watching a fictional movie.
@@ghostxl8525if you say that jungian archetypes that reflect the subconscious are pseudoscience then you might as well say that all of psychology and the study of the subconscious mind is pseudoscience. Cause they’re not doing scientific brain scans on everyone when they give out diagnosis and misdiagnose people often
You are like a guardian angel appearing in a time of need and crisis as the heavens cry. I love the "animatedness" I think it's a bonus to how easy you are to hear and understand while listening.
Your emotion and passion is appreciated - I believe I can speak for most of us when I say you are our avatar in this instance. There is a pernicious movement to delegitimize the condition, and for those of us who know first hand how debilitating and life-ruining it can be, that movement can seem like an existential threat - I don't care to dwell on the path my life would certainly have taken if it were not for timely clinical intervention. It is gratifying and reassuring to have a champion such as yourself.
I love your work. I don't much appreciate your hysterical tone. It is not persuasive, it makes you look a little unhinged. Naturally, I understand your frustration, the "ADHD doesn't exist" notion is everywhere and maddening.
Just want to add your youtube channel is such a needed and excellent resource based on science, research and experience. I am always directing people to it to learn more instead of all the misinformation out there.
Thank you Dr. Barkley. I'm 26 and have recently been diagnosed with ADHD. Had seen this Jordan Peterson interview some time ago and was very confused because since I was young I've done Judo and idk what else can be more of a rough and tumble play then that. So seeing this video today was very soothing and confirmed my beliefs
It's not very difficult to debunk JP. All you need on the other side of the debate is someone who actually knows what they're talking about. Brilliant video by Dr. Barkley, as always.
The legions of people who turn themselves around and gone from someone who is driftless, and purposeless, to people who are now a net force for good, would like to disagree with you. You don't have to agree with everything the guy says, but to dismiss him out right as if he's wrong about everything is either incredibly naïve, or just comes from a hateful ideological place. Neither are good.
Thank you, Dr. Barkley for all your work studying and educating people about ADHD. I have a son with ADHD and your book (Taking Charge of ADHD) and your lectures have been so helpful and illuminating for me. Thank you for rebutting this silly BS by Peterson. You're the best, I'm so grateful.
I am a psych clinician. Loved this brilliant, succinct debunk of JP's garbage commentary on the validity of the neurodevelopmental profile/diagnosis. I was cackling with glee at your perfectly caustic commentary. This is my first visit to your channel, can't wait to watch more. Thank you!
My story is a perfect example of ADHD authenticity. I was given dexedrine by my mother's doctor for the purpose of losing weight... in 1968 . I had not heard of ADHD or amphetamines at this point. I did not lose a pound. But I became my mother's best child overnight. When my older sister sent me crosstops in the mail four years later, my love of speed was born. I fought the addiction but couldn't deny how much better I functioned. Decades until I put two and two together. Unfortunately , the best attention I ever got from my mother was the attention she gave me when I was suddenly her favorite child. She hated me and was a source of shame and longing. Perfect setup for a painful life . I wish I could do an autobiography. Amazing story, mine.
Dr. Barkley, we may differ in political views but I am very grateful for this video. I've watched many of your lectures and even bought your book since being diagnosed as an adult. I can see your passion for ADHD research and education. It is very heartwarming.
Thank you Dr Barkley. It's about time somebody with your level of expertise puts Jordan Peterson in his place. I can't even watch him without having a visceral reaction. I can't believe he gets the attention that he does.
I used to be a huge fan of Peterson, I listened to hundreds of hours of podcasts, videos, etc. As he became more and more prominent, it became obvious to me that he was cherry picking his information to fit his world view. For all his talking about controlling one self, he lets his emotions guide his arguments and judgements more than the facts on the ground or the arguments at hand. Dr. Barkley, this is a great video, thanks for tackling it.
I used to be a fan of his content but I've come to my senses since and as someone who wants to pursue clinical psychology I consider him an absolute disgrace to the field
Same for me. My older brother introduced me to his lectures on youtube (both me and my brother have adhd). Peterson’s speeches made so much sense, I found myself agreeing with every word he said. He is so good at speaking, dangerously good. After a while I realized he is just a lunatic who eats vulnerable boys/men. I havent spoken to my brother in well over a year, he cut ties with my parents also. Because he thinks this family is poison and full of unhealthy relations. I miss my brother, and it tears me apart to see my parents so confused and heartbroken to why their first child suddenly shut them out of his life. Pardon my english, its not my first language.
@@martinmyhre9815 1000% my experience also. And your English is 100% fine, dw (and this is coming from someone who is self-taught and German) ;) But yeah, I mentioned this all the time back then also until I became more confident in my abilities etc.
@@martinmyhre9815 eats vulnerable boys/men xd You mean help them? Sure, Jordan Peterson likes to talk a lot about everything and it's tiresome but he sure also had a good deal of positive influence on people.
This is interesting. I've been grappling with the possibility of me having ADHD after having seeing a lecture of yours from 9 years ago. You explained it in such a way that it basically explained my entire 28 years of living, and it left me relieved but sad that I now knew why I've been such an awkward, nerdy, lazy underachiever. I thought you had to be a hyperactive, disruptive bundle of energy to have it. I've only begun to change my life this year because my depression peaked as I looked back at my life and realized I wasn't the person I wanted to be ever since I was 13. Not even close...and I have no idea why I have such a hard time changing it. Lots of other issues were also explained, that I've long had justified as "just being me". It made me wonder recently why motivational oriented Jordan Peterson never really spoke about the implications of ADHD and how it can flip your life upside down. I guess it's because he doesn't believe in it
i have been learning from your content and i am utterly grateful for you for speaking about adhd and encourging others to get educated and for allowing me to get into headspace of accpting that this is a real imbalance and life has been much better since i starting meds under a doctor supervision, also i am fan of dr peterson he has helped me setting my life straigh and analysing my actions but i was shocked about his views regards ADHD and it made me sad but i have to say i am extremlly happy for you to be relasing this video even if it didnt reach jordan it is extremly necessary that there to exist content on the internet that shows the truth and it couldnt come from more knowldgble and educated person that you dr barkley thank you and apprciate all the work
Thank you so much for addressing this because people will see PHD behind someone’s name and just assume that everything they say is 100% accurate vetted for authenticity. he is a charlatan in my opinion and anything he promotes should be taken with a grain of salt.
Yes! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thank you Dr Barkley… this is SO helpful for us, as the ADHD Community… you’re arming us against this onslaught of misinformation with your credibility and profound knowledge of the research literature. THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Love you Dr. Barkley. Love your ending of telling him to say 'I don't know' re: a field he's not qualified to speak on. But if you see Peterson speak on pretty much anything, "I don't know' isn't in his vocab. Truly dangerous info, especially since he's so popular and reinforcing a lot of other dangerous mental health theories long debunked.
I am a girl and had ADHD since I was in grade 4. I played A LOT in my childhood. I used to play with other kids in my neighborhood every day, I used to run, bike, and socialize with my peers in school and outside of school. Unlike my siblings who had same opportunity of play, I struggled a lot with this conditions. Just like my dad struggled before (unlike any of his siblings)
BRAVO Dr Barkley, and thank you for calling out J Peterson in such no-nonsense terms. I recently watched youtube of JP, out of curiosity, opining on ADHD and found his views and arrogance nauseating and his open disdain wholly insulting to individuals and families affected by this disorder. Like a B grade horror movie, I could not stomach watching JP all the way to the end, and found myself wondering what Dr Barkley would indeed think of such a tasteless spectacle. So thank you again for all your wonderful work and for sharing your valuable and helpful knowledge, providing hope and encouragement.
I was recommended to read 12 rules for life by a psychologist. And I can say, he often takes speculation and wishful thinking as a known finding. In some topics like religion he just has the answers and looks for support no matter how weak it is. He is a great storyteller and that's how he managed to make compelling arguments of opinions. Plus most of his advice is basic psychological principles. This type of practice is why scientists didn't take serious psychology for so long. From Freud to him, you can see some part of the profession still doesn't hold proper scientific method standards, casting doubts on the exemplarity of the whole research field with it. Thank you Russell for being one of the most rigorous places on the internet to get informed by ADHD. It really makes a difference.
I read it as well. The book itself was pretty good because as you say, he is a good story teller and the advise was pretty basic. Then I kept reading things after that he would say in the media and he thinks far too highly of his own opinions. LOL
0440am - Dr. Barkley, your elevation of awareness through decades of research and contemplation. After 40 years struggling to define events, social isolation and poor choices I was unable to reliably avoid or see coming. It has been an exhausting life but your books and research allowed me to grasp the “how/why” part of my behavior, motivation and time awareness. Your work and spoken delivery saved my sanity and inspired me to seek therapy. I am still learning to anticipate and/or visually structure responsibilities. My greatest achievements have come since I began treatment. Your voice will remain foundational in any future discussion.
I am so glad you did this. Its especially been hard on the center right with this stuff. There is a serious and quite frankly deliberate ignorance about it right now.
I haven't watched the full video, but thank you so much for this, we need more discussions like these where people have disagreements or do not believe in adhd
Thank you, thank you, thank you. As someone who was raised in fundamentalist religious circles, surrounded by people who hang on Peterson's every word and refuse to medicate their children, THANK YOU. I am so sick of Peterson being lauded as an oracle of genius. Your talks have really helped me to get help for, and accept the reality of, my own ADHD instead of trying to pretend I was fine and just suffering.
We are so lucky to have someone like Dr. Barkley still fighting and advocating for us with ADHD, despite the immense amount of societal stigma surrounding this disorder. Thank you, doctor.
Just thank you. I honestly felt so defeated after hearing his stance on ADHD. I'm an educated, intelligent, ADHD'er, and it was STILL very upsetting to hear what he believes about ADHD, even though I disagree. It made me question myself, even more than I already do, especially because I value his stance on so many other things. I truly feel like you really stuck up for us, kind of getting intellectually bullied and gaslit by him on this topic. Just thank you. ❤
Wow! No "WOW!" This one bothered me too! Im just a victim of ADHD and dyslexia, no scholar, but my flags were up on his take. You and Dr. Hollowell have helped me achieve more in my life than ever before my diagnosis. You don't know this but I have been awarded 3 US Patents since following you guys. Thats huge! The ability to obtain a goal over time! Humm, I stole that one from you too! Lol! So i was at my first CHADD conference and i watched you put my life story up on the wall and you had never met me. You nailed me. I have been a fan ever since. My daughter lives in your area and i would be honored to buy you a bottle of your favorite vino just to celebrate! Im not sure about Peterson. Something is just not right. I would love to meet you one day.
Thanks for your support of my work. No need to send any wine, we have plenty as you can imagine. I am delighted my work has been of value to you and your family. Be well. Russ
"…It constantly strikes me that, "Oh my God, you should be able to debate these people and show how nonsensical they are," and then realizing any sane person who is coming from my field would be out of their minds to even engage in such a debate or discussion. …Why? Because the undercurrent of their claims is not anything that's solvable by rational arguments and facts. The men's rights types and others who parrot their claims are just trying to appeal to unpleasant emotions. You cannot reason somebody out of a stance they were not reasoned into in the first place. Jordan Peterson doesn't have followers because his arguments are logically airtight. There are many men who are fed up with feeling that they are somehow marginalized or made peripheral. Peterson is someone who is telling them what they want to hear on an emotional level.” ~Robert Sapolsky
Thank you for your continued efforts to share the facts of this condition with the public. At first I wanted to refer to what you were doing as "advocacy" but that sort of implies you merely have strong opinions but no, you're not refuting Jordan Peterson's feelings with your own, but with the real, relevant data and research about the disorder.
THANK YOU!! I'm ASD-1 and ADHD, 45yrs old male, still 'technically' undiagnosed... Being FORCED to adapt our behavior to match neurotypicals DOES NOT "FIX" anything. It's more like being pushed through and emotional cheese-grater... and I've only recently, in the last few years, realized how much emotional damage that process has caused. I was in Panic-Response mode around 90% of my waking life from 10yr old to around 35-ish. Still there... but it doesn't ENTIRELY control my life any longer.
No it ruins your life and makes you more determined to flip the switch and take control of your own circumstances that’s where I’m at age 42 I’ve decided f it I’m sick of other people dictating to me how to live my life and a lifetime of bullying. Only diagnosed this year
Thank you thank you Dr. Barkley! I was diagnosed as a child but my parents were also told I could “control it but choose not to cause I’m rebellious” so I wasn’t medicated til an adult. I now fight for my children as half of them have this disorder. It truly does hurt us when people posing as experts say these things. I truly appreciate your passion for this and this channel. It helps to have rebuttals when people bring up such asinine, outdated comments.
Dr Russell, your lectures from 2014 have profoundly impacted my life. Thank you. My son turned 4 today. We are just alike. I never knew my birth parents so I’ve never known anyone else like me. I’m trying to be a scientist for his sake, both our sakes, hopefully he won’t suffer the way I still do.
I'm disappointed with Dr. Peterson's nonchalant attitude towards ADHD. "Playing more" never fixed my problems in school. Exhausting kids to quiet their mind isn't a reasonable solution lol. Thanks for this video, Dr. Barkley.
Thank you very much, as a recently diagnosed 52 year old woman, who has felt stupid for most of those years, thank you for standing up to JP. Also, as a Canadian, thank you for also quoting my favourite author - Vive Gamache 😊
Yass 🎉This is what dialogue looks like! 🖖🏼 ❤ Thank you for your opposing opinion and perspective. This is what fosters healthy progress and calling him out is all about. 👨🏼🎤 🍿
Ill be going through all your videos since I finally found your channel, but Ive been seeing clips of your lectures on tiktok and Ive been amazed. I'm 33 years old and was diagnosed with ADD at a very very young age and have grown up my entire life just blindly finding ways to cope and reinventing the wheel. You've quickly become one of my favorite people. You really do understand our brains and it's amazing to hear it all. I grew up right in the heart of ADD/ADHD fever in the 90s where every kid was diagnosed and put on medicine and as such wasn't really taken seriously by many, including my father where he claimed I didn't actually have it. I also hated the way Ritalin and Concerta affected me, though less with Concerta, though mentally I also just hated having to take a pill to "be normal" but now I wonder if It's worth it even though I've learned to cope enough to work efficiently.
As a homeschooled kid of the 80s, I can vouch for the fact that working to the point of exhaustion does NOT make ADHD symptoms disappear and schoolwork become magically easy. I can vouch for the fact that as I girl I struggled as much as my brothers. I can vouch for the fact that we got plenty of play and went without television for years, and the ADHD symptoms did not go away. I can vouch for the fact that once school was finished, I still struggled to focus on the things that gave me joy, such as hobbies, because ADHD is mentally exhausting.
Absolutely. I do think it is overdiagnosed though.
@@hengineer and your credentials are?
Faxx.
Big faxx😊
sounds like cptsd to me
That last bit hits so hard. Is that why I can't seem to enjoy my hobbies after work?
Dr. Barkley wiping the floor with Jordan Peterson is something I'm able to focus on even unmedicated.
Fax
Because it's pure dopamine 😂
@@geminierica4077 and stress lol
Totally 😂
Hahaha😂
For those of you who think that my position on Jordan Peterson's views of ADHD are just a matter of two equivalent scholars of the disorder having a small disagreement on an issue, see my comment below to this suggestion, which I reprint here so others don't miss it.
"Thanks for your comment, Ruth, but I am sorry to say it does not hold up to serious inspection. Jordan Peterson has made these claims in several different interviews and years apart, so the rationale that he was just caught off guard by a question is not a compelling reason. Second, when any psychologist, especially one of his rank and stature, is asked about something in our field in which he has little or no expertise, then the mature, respectful, and humble response one should say is: I don't know." You don't just make up some clearly farfetched and grossly dated rationale for your opinion. Third, his comments are conveyed with contempt for psychiatry, the disorder, and, relatedly, the many fellow clinical psychologists who have studied this disorder for several hundred years. It is also contempt especially for the diagnosis of ADHD which he has repeatedly declared is a fraud. So this is no simple one-time error of recall in the moment but an obvious conviction that he holds about a neurodevelopment disorder. Fourth, when prominent psychologists of his degree of celebrity make such grossly and egregiously wrong comments, particularly in public, to quote Richard Dawkins, they are "worse than wrong." Their comments not only bear no relationship to the voluminous and current scientific evidence at hand that bear on the issue. Their prominence does harm by making people believe in an idea that is both fallacious and could lead to harm to people with this disorder and their families. Jordan's comments are equivalent to the theory of Bruno Bettelheim about autism back in the 40s and 50s when he asserted that the condition arose from cold, callous, unloving "refrigerator mothers." His prominence led people to believe that, governments and colleagues to accept it at face value, and treatment programs developed around the idea when there was not a shred of evidence to support the position. The decades of cruelty suffered by people with ASD and their families was atrocious and inexcusable and is one of the worst historical periods in the history of ASD. So, no, we are not going to repeat that tragedy again by allowing prominent professionals to utter such rubbish publicly and, by inference, blame parents for a neuro-developmental disorder. Jordan's argument clearly implies that it is parents who are at fault for not letting their children, boys in particular, engage in rough and tumble play. This is the very same sort of "parent bashing" engaged in by Bettelheim and others who saw the learning, development, and behaviors disorders of children as merely the parents' fault. So when celebrity expert psychologists make outrageously wrong statements about a neurodevelopment disorder that have the potential to inflict harm we are entitled to be outraged. This is not some mere misunderstanding or erroneous citation of a study where two well informed scientists might have an understandable difference of opinion. Yes, that might warrant your suggestion of speaking to him privately. But that is far from the case here. So, no, I will not engage in some respectful collegial dialogue with someone who makes statements that are worse than wrong and does so repeatedly in an area of our field in which he clearly has no expertise and that could reverse decades of advances we have made it helping the public to scientifically understand this disorder. It is incumbent upon him to publicly state he is wrong and apologize to those who he has harmed by this repeatedly stated nonsense. And it is incumbent on experts in the field like my self to call him out on it publicly for doing so."
*standing ovation*
Thank you. From a 50 year old woman who was only diagnosed in the past few months and has struggled academically and in work my entire life. JP is so wrong on this that him declaring it as fact is deeply damaging.
I used to listen to Peterson, thinking he had a different perspective. Then I realised he is spreading misinformation (knowingly) in many instances, not just about this. R???sm, f???cism, right-**** c?????cies... instead of creating responsible intellectuals, he is creating dom*c ter*s. He is displaying all the signs of Psy**** Nar****.
Sorry, but I am unimpressed with your whole rebuttal. It is known that activity actually helps the brain develop new neural connections so suggesting that lack of play might be a cause is NOT saying it's not a physical difference in the brain. It's more complicated than that. I have watched 12 minutes of your talk so far and the mistakes and sheer waffle in it are upsetting me. Why not do an interview with Peterson and debate this properly?
@@sgordon8123 You really really cant stand being wrong can you 🤣🤣
This video MADE MY DAY! As a therapist who works with ADHD children, has ADHD, and has a family full of people with ADHD, people like Jordan Peterson infuriate me. Thank you for making this, and for all you've done for the ADHD community.
❤ I agree wholeheartedly
Thanks!
Geniune question here : What is the best evidence you can think of in terms of categorizing ADHD as a real disorder worth addressing with either medication or therapeutic means? Studies, papers, books, arguments are all welcome.
I'll add in all transparency that I 100% believe psychology and psychiatry to be pseudosciences using subjectivity and poor statistical logic to come to flawed conclusions with (in many cases) either fabricated data or poor data as was shown in the latest scandals of the past 10-20 years of science fraud. I don't necessarily share Peterson's conclusion about lack of play (for the same reason I disagree with the opinion that ADHD is a valid disorder), but I think ADHD is just a cash cow of the psychology/psychiatry industry like any typical homeopathic remedy for other pseudomedicine. I'm open to being wrong and would appreciate hard evidence if it exists.
Are you a community now?🤣🤣
Tells you all you need to know right? 😂
Thank you, Dr. Barkley. I can’t thank you enough for making this video. I believe you are absolutely correct when you say Jordan Peterson‘s opinions on ADHD is causing harm. Because it actually is causing harm between my husband and I.
I have ADHD, and was diagnosed at age 30, not long after my 6 year old son was diagnosed. He is now 24, and an engineer for a military contractor, as well as, a highly trained urban search and rescue volunteer for our state. I consider his early diagnosis, medication, and the ADHD coaching that helped him develop effective coping skills, for his success. (& his own hard work, of course)
My husband is Nuro-typical, and while we know he loves and cares for us deeply, he still finds it very difficult to truly understand our daily struggle with having ADHD. (Even though he has witnessed it for decades now). However, my husband has begun listening to Jordan Peterson’s podcasts, lectures and interviews. And unfortunately, somewhere along the way, my husband seems to have become even less understanding or forgiving towards us when it comes to our ADHD struggles. It’s causing, pain, frustration and anger, in me, and confusion and hurt, in our son. Again, my husband is a good person and loves us, but clearly to him, Jordan Peterson sounds very believable.
That sounds horrible for you - I'm so sorry you're going through this. Peterson has a lot of (shall we say) issues, I sense. 🙃
Do you think he might be up for watching some of Dr B's earlier bite-size videos on ADHD? He explains things so very well, and is very engaging, so I wonder if it might be worth a try? Either way, I do hope you find a way through this... 🤗
As much as I enjoy Peterson's lectures, he needs to STFU about ADHD. And even though I enjoy his lectures, no one should just blindly believe him.
I'm so sorry, but your husband is nowhere near being "a good person who loves us."
I know it's difficult, very difficult, but try to step back and look at what you've described his actions to be - what kind of person he *actually* is, not what you want or wish him to be.
For 18+ years, he's refused to listen to his wife and adult son, and instead he's emotionally and mentally abused them. He's refused to do any actual research into the science of ADHD, including the innumerable scientific studies over 50+ years. Instead, he'd rather let a fool tell him what to think than to do his own work on the subject (which would expose Peterson as the liar he is in less than 30 minutes) and support his wife and son.
No, it's time to get out of there. Perhaps you'll get enough from the divorce to be financially secure, and you can surround yourself with other like-minded people who support, listen, and encourage you.
I hope you are (or can quickly get) financially secure, so you can leave and divorce that horrible excuse for a husband.
Sorry, but he makes the men who are intelligent, caring, supportive, understanding... husbands look bad. He doesn't represent me or any of the other excellent husbands and fathers out there.
You deserve far far better. I'm just sorry that you've been abused for so long that you've been conditioned to think an abuser like him is a "good person and loves us," when he's actually the exact opposite.
18+ YEARS to get a a clue and learn how to care for his wife and son. No, the imbecile has had his chances. Get away from him while you still can.
@@rigpod4821 I think it is a difference in thinking, rather than "abuse". Stop labeling everything as abuse when you have zero knowledge about a person's life outside of a RUclips comment. You are taking the meaning out of the word "abuse", which can be really damaging to actual victims.
@@rigpod4821 We obviously dont have the whole history here, but yeah there are some major red flags.
For what it's worth, Dr Barkley, it seems pretty clear to me that your level of animation and passion in this video arises from your level of concern for the many people who struggle with the impact ADHD has on their lives. I'm just a coach, and a new one at that, and I'm often horrified by the amount of misinformation out there. As you know, people with ADHD are often desperate to make sense of themselves and what they experience, and they look to places like RUclips, Instagram, the traditional media and other platforms for answers - especially when they can't afford professional support. Their families and friends also pick up on all this nonsense. It really does cause harm. We need people like you to critically engage with and challenge opinions like this, because that's what they are, opinions - not research, not hard-earned experience with sufferers, and not lived-experience.
Yes this is very true particularly the part about people that have this condition trying to make sense of their life. It's also why people that have ADHD can watch as many motivational videos as they want but not actually improve.
Basic human understanding and kindness is a key thing we all crave, I think.
[AuDHDer here - late Dx]
@@DontDrinkthatstuff Yup, same for me. Esp. with D.r. K/Healthy Gamer videos. But also sucks that Dr. K also seems to be biased against some ADHD stuff because he "would have been diagnosed as a kid, but got better with just meditating" and stuff, ugh x-x The restis good info, though, but usually to be taken with a grain of salt, ofc.
Indeed, my passion arises from the outrageousness of the claims by Peterson and the harms it can do. See my comment above about Peterson's view as being tantamount to bettelheims in earlier decades concern ASD being due to unaffectionate, "refrigerator" mothers. Thanks for watching.
@@Chizuru94 I mean meditating can help don't get me wrong but to pretend that that's a permanent solution to ADHD seems like wishful thinking. I do think meditation is good though.
I had a therapist who told me I likely didn't have ADHD, as it was often misdiagnosed. But that I was just very intelligent and bored. Well, it turned out I'm on the autism spectrum as well as having ADHD, and once I switched to a psychology professional who knew what she was talking about, and I was given practical strategies, my life improved tenfold.
This misinformation by Peterson is actively dangerous and could potentially be life-threatening if the wrong person took it to heart.
I am so glad you found competent professional services. Be well. Russ
@@russellbarkleyphd2023 Dr. Barkley, there's a chance I might not have graduated from school without your work and popularizing of the science behind ADHD.
You helped make it clear to me that it was my issue, and after getting diagnosed with it, I actually have made a nice life for myself.
Keep up the good fight, thank you so much.
Just got told by the psychiatrist that he doesn't think i have adhd, and that the people who really have adhd - most of them are in jail, or excluded from society in some way (Also made the point several times that it is often misdiagnosed, and told me with some irritability that around 80% of whom he is seeing come for adhd diagnosis). Also gave me the whole "everybody have those symptoms sometimes". Basically told me im just not trying hard enough - and that maybe i should consider another profession if i find it so hard (studying computer science - which i love). I don't know where to go from here, cause if it's not adhd, idk what it is. And trying harder is not working..
The next step is to find another opinion. That's like textbook in my opinion. A lot of those comments are like gaslighting, they don't know *your* life, and the truth is living with ADHD is full of people calling you lazy, scatterbrained, messy, etc. There are loads of strategies, and if this guy's not going to help, he's not worth your time or money. IMO.@@simonjensen596
Psychologists don’t actually study how the brain works… I wouldn’t take any advice from one with regards to neurodevelopmental disorders. The buck stops with psychiatrists.
Thank you, Dr. Barkley, for taking this stance against the ongoing problem of celebrity psychology content.
What a great response. The missed play opportunity is particularly funny to me because w whole swath of people, particularly women, being diagnosed, are Gen x. We were sent outside to play all the time. We had so much unstructured play time just to let our parents do their housework unencumbered
This is going to be a bit a firy comment for some as smart/intellectual/calm as Mr Barkley, but to comment in a minimally less motivated way, so answering: *"Thank you, Dr. Barkley, for taking this stance against the ongoing problem of celebrity psychology content."* That is not a problem at all ^^ the problem is ignoring psychology way more, overall jordan peterson probably improved things by drawing attention on adhd, and maybe he also did a bit of a "this is just hypothesis" and i agree with Russel Barkley of course but i think Jordan Peterson at least is eloquent and does debattes where some of his predecessors where not as willing to do that. I think he has many good sides one is he ACTUALLY talks about mental health somethimes so we should not forget that. Dont attack "the better/good" if its not perfect if that means things get worse (i know its hard to beleive but as a example, mental health is so little spoken off that with 15million subscribers CNN rather has sealions getting seizures and health problems form neurotoxic algea and how they get broght to "sealion" hospiral and personalized treatment and stay free of charge whereas many mental health problems are dealt with at gunpoint or by "ignoring" and only fixing problems if they spill oder to the "higher societys" like when cute cildren get attacked by guns at school or when covit risks the rich grandparents, but not so much when its not as direct to see the massive economic opportunitiycost of non finetuned/optimally/AI/Machine lerning treated medication tiltration.
@@meganmegan5541 This came to my mind as well
I agree with Dr. Barkley however he too has had somewhat of a celebrity bit with regards to ADHD. People view his word as if he knows it all. This maybe the case however I feel he tends to speak more to the extreme noticeable end of the spectrum. I have listened to some videos where it seems he disregards to some extent the inattentive ADHD presentation. First it was ADHD, then Anxiety then Depression. Not the course for everyone but it sucks. Since nobody can see, hear or feel what’s going on in a scattered brain because they are the “good quiet little girl” they tend to believe it’s not impairing. In Barkleys case he seems to want to put these out of the ADHD discussion and put them in the slow cognitive tempo group. There’s another term they have come up with for it.
Dr. Peterson is a psychologist whose expertise long precedes his celebrity, and he isn't a perfect expert in ADHD or anything else, but to claim he is entirely ignorant and off-base is not an objective or fair assessment. No one is completely lacking in insight to x phenomenon, or is an absolute human panacea of knowledge either.
Thank you so much for this video, and all of your work.
As somebody who was diagnosed with ADHD 22 years ago in a juvenile detention center, getting a proper diagnosis and the right treatment saved my life. But it really gets to me when I still hear people spouting off nonsense about ADHD, and what's worse, it feels like it's been getting louder lately. It's particularly maddening when these people should know better.
Especially because the reason I only got diagnosed in a juvenile detention center (e.g., once i got in real trouble), was due to the school psychologist for my district being in the "ADHD is a fraud" camp.
Keep doing what you're doing. Your efforts to set the record straight are so needed. Thanks again.
I'm so glad you got that Dx at a (relatively) young age still. Amazing that you got a Dx inside a detention centre, though the disproportionate number of (esp) boys who end up somewhere like that, means it makes sense.
I was Dx recently at 50 and I mourn the loss of so many years of beating myself up, believing myself to be a failure and useless (despite gaining a degree, and having a relatively successfully SE career - though only through pushing myself to the point of burnout 😒)
It is just politics. Jordan Peterson changed is career from a psychologist into an entrepreneur
There is a huge amount of research on the connection between risk taking behaviour in individuals with ADHD and the justice system. Many in the field believe that lots more testing should be done on incarcerated populations for adhd.
@@Dancestar1981
In Switzerland (where I live), psychiatric evaluations are standard for juvenile delinquents. Rather than solely punishing, the focus is on rehabilitation, evident in the setup of our juvenile assessment centers. Juveniles reside in group homes resembling ordinary apartments (of course they are more secure than ordinary apartments), accommodating 7-9 individuals. These centers typically have attached schools and farms.
The psychiatric evaluations aim to:
a) Determine if the juvenile poses a risk to themselves or others.
b) Identify any disorders in the juvenile.
c) Understand the root causes of their delinquent behavior.
Until the risk assessment is complete, new inmates are placed in a high-security group home. After assessment, they're relocated to a suitable group home. All juveniles have assigned chores. While security is present, social educators in each home (usually 5-6) guide the juveniles in daily responsibilities, from household chores to school and medical appointments.
Personally, I worked on the farm, waking at 5am daily for animal care (feeding, letting them out of their pen and guide them to the pasture, cleaning the pen). After morning chores, I'd have breakfast, attend school, attend therapy sessions, enjoy an hour of free time, and then continue farm tasks until 6pm. The evening involved dinner, homework, and a routine that ended with bedtime.
This ironically leads to a situation where juveniles with a conviction are more likely to get effective treatment.
This setup is still heavily criticised and perceived as too soft/lenient by a lot of politicians (especially from the conservative side) since they do not believe that this is a suitable punishment (they call it Kuscheljustiz - cuddling justice). However, as somebody who has spent one year in such a setup I can say that it was probably the most effective way to get me back on track.
Also I challenge any politician to work on a farm for a year besides their day job and then tell me again that this is "lenient".
Thank you so much for this Dr. Barkley. Your outrage, and impassioned response, was so validating. I was a little girl with ADHD diagnosed as a 38 year old woman. The ignorance, and women and girls being deleted from the discussions by rampant idiots, is retraumatizing.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD).
Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
@@patioprimate4740 One is the preeminent researcher on ADHD and the other is someone who’s license is in question because he keeps talking about topics he isn’t qualified to talk about. So sure, support your guy I guess.
@@sumurdoch One I already refuted, the other has his license threatened because he talked about politics on twitter. Maybe you are the one who is unqualified to speak.
@@patioprimate4740 I don’t think you understood the differences in the two points that Dr. Barkley was making, plus you skipped over all the rest of the argument to stick to your own point that you believe to be salient. I’m not claiming I have authority on ADHD outside my own lived experience, I’m claiming the preeminent ADHD researcher has more than the guy who is causing real harm, to those like me, with his uneducated, unscientific, and personally/politically motivated garbage. I don’t need to call him out, every respected scientist, researcher, and scholar does that for me. I’m sorry you tethered yourself to this lame horse. I’m feeling pretty good about my education. Your opinion (and choice of hero’s) says all I need to know about yours. For clarity, I don’t thing you are stupid or uneducated, I think you are misguided and it’s too bad.
@@patioprimate4740you keep repeating this comment under everyone's comments. No matter what they're commenting. What kind of weird affection do you have for this issue? Is it Peterson himself, you're so excited to "defend"? Since no one has properly answered you, I happily will.
The research that he cited as peterson's main basis for his play related theory, is 40+yrs old as you keep repeating. Yes, but he also states many times, that the precise issue he has with his use of this, in his professional opinion unrelated study, is that it negates the following 30yrs of research by neurologists and psychiatrists. These are not "pseudo sciences" as you claim. These are medical doctors and research biologists and geneticists and other scientists. This is work that has been peer reviewed and studied using brain images, genetic testing, and replicable studies. The reason he is so passionately citing the lack of validity in a decades old study, is because of the many (as he says thousands) of research papers and years of research on the subject since that have since disproved it. That's how science works. When someone is disproven in research, they write about it. You can find it yourself, once again as he indicates in the video, by using Google scholar or any scholarly research tool you prefer like pubmed.
Thank you for making this video. I grew up on a farm with tons of rough and tumble play as he would call it. We had no screens, no internet, no cable, spent all day outside playing in nature, ate locally grown food only (literally just vegetables and meat no processed food)
Despite all this, I was still diagnosed with ADD (adhd inattentive type) in my teens.
Was such an eye roll to hear Dr peterson say that stuff so casually, when I know that I had the literal perfect environment in his eyes, but still developed adhd.
I tried to outhink my adhd, felt like there was something wrong with me for too long by avoiding treatment and accommodations for years because of crap like this.
I hope that one day a kid with adhd won't feel like there's something wrong with him for struggling because of something that isn't his fault, that he is taken seriously and gets treatment.
Very well said!
YEAH, the reason why the Amish don't get ADHD isn't because they don't have screens/television. It's because they have a secure attachment style due to the mom's taking their babies with them to work in the farms, unlike mennonites who leave their babies at home. I read that in the book "Clean: The New Science of Skin". The book "ADHD: A Diagnosis in Denial" also talks about how people with ADHD have an insecure attachment style.
@@moondog7694 Interesting. I have ADHD and an extremely insecure attachment style. But so do both of my parents, probably generational epi-genetic trauma. Who knows until there are proper scientific studies done.
It’s a genetic neurological brain wiring difference with a biological advantage in certain circumstances. We would have been the night watchmen in the days of prehistoric humanity protecting the community from predators while the rest of the tribe slept. We would be the ones tinkering with ideas and resources to see what they could do and thinking outside the box. We were the engineers who discovered the wheel, the scientists who learned to navigate and construct using the stars in the heavens, the poets and musicians who entertained everyone as the rest of the mob sat around talking.
@@Dancestar1981 People with ADHD or ADD always have a cluster B personality disorder, according to Dr. Faye Snyder's book "The Handbook".
Dr. Barkley, I am a 62 year old male who suffers from ADHD. I see a Psychiatrist and psychologist and they both agree I have ADHD. I am fortunate to have people in my corner and help me deal with ADHD issues and without their help, I would not be in a good place today. So thank you for your response and your stable input with ADHD. I truly appreciate you and your work. Please do not stop sharing the information about ADHD you have provided to people like me. Your work has made a difference in my life and so many others like me. Thank you.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD).
Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
@@patioprimate4740you are literally spamming. Go away from the internet and never come back.
@@patioprimate4740 Or because the bigger reach he has as a celebrity does more harm than a fringe moron without a following.
@@patioprimate4740you are so lost, it's quite astounding
This calls to mind Dr. Gabor Mate, who is a famous MD making similarly strong claims about ADHD. One of them is that it is not a heritable condition.
Dr Mate' is not a fan of Peterson
Dr. Barkley has a video here on youtube effectively refuting Dr. Mate's false claims about ADHD. It's excellent; check it out!
Here it is: ruclips.net/video/maxBiLXXUxY/видео.html
@@Handle8844 Thank you. I will.
Gabor Maté doesn't deny a hereditary component of ADHD, which he suggests is sensitivity causing higher responsiveness to environmental stimuli, which may account for the development of ADHD in certain individuals but not others within a shared environment, but he also suggests that characteristics of our environment that may effect physiological response are under studied.
To learn too far on the nature side of the old nature vs nurture debate is biological essentialism.
Thinking we cannot change and that our personality is predetermined by biology instead of learned/created and stored in the biology of the body, in the synapses of the brain, when we can change what we learn and view an idea as false that we once viewed as true. Biological essentialism denies this agency, the neuroplasticity of the brain.
Gabor Maté is clear about there being a reciprocal relationship between parent and child, and that blaming parents is unhelpful, and believes that recognition of causes of trauma are useful to treat it, and that dismissal of how small t trauma can contribute to societal ills is a dogma within the field.
It's such a huge task to counter all the misinformation coming from various media sources that we are exposed to daily. As someone who is newly immersing into the ADHD world/diagnosis, I want to thank you, Dr. Barkley, for taking the time to advocate for all of us and educate us about this condition
A pirate t-shirt, glass of wine and John Wick?
I knew you were a legend because of your incredible work regarding ADHD, but you've just gotten even more badass if possible.
Thank you Dr. Barkley for opening up the truth and holding folks accountable for their damaging views. Very much appreciated.
What's more damaging, thinking you have power to change your behavior or making up arbitrary behavior disorders to sell billions of dollars of pills to everyone and allow them the privilege of thinking it's not their fault? This video was pseudoscience at best with countless logical fallacies to prove a point.
@@Not.a.bird.Person Prove it!
@@zensukai That's just backwards burden of proof. The burden is on the person making a claim, not it's interlocutor which in this case is people being told ADHD is a valid disorder worth addressing with medication and other therapeutic means.
At best, the only claim I have made worthy of being proved is that this was pseudoscience and that there were logical fallacies. For the pseudoscience part, I can't disprove a scientific claim if there are none. The only claims worth addressing in this video were that ''research from 30+ years is bad'' which is just an appeal to novelty fallacy and the other one was that ''the causes of ADHD are likely single events and genetics'' which is just easily dismissable with the fact that any arbitrary behavior category will be explained by genetics (as behavior has genetic components), that doesn't prove a diagnosis is real, it's known as a fundamental error of attritbution fallacy in statistics.
For the logical fallacies, there are just too many to go one by one over them here. Feel free to bolster this PhD's case for him if you'd like.
@@Not.a.bird.Person Dr Barkley is not the only one who supports ADHD ... There is a plethora of science based data. If you choose to be close minded and just call it pseudoscience, you are more welcome.
But the case has been proven with evidence; you on the other have shown/provided any evidence other than your biased opinion. Again, your choice.
@@zensukai ''Dr Barkley is not the only one who supports ADHD ... There is a plethora of science based data.''
''The Pope is not the only one supporting the existence of God, there are plenty of theology PhDs all across the world. You can choose to be close-minded'' Is the exact same logic used here, they are both as invalid as any pseudoscientific claim relying on appeals to authority and appeals to majority...
If it is so easy to prove the validity of ADHD as a disorder, go right ahead... No one is holding you back. My job is not to disprove the equivalent of your Russell's teapot here.
As an executive teacher at what most people call a 'Behaviour School', I have gained knowledge and insight from you for years and gone on to help so many students, and families, of adolescent students with ADHD thanks to your RESEARCH based findings. Jordan's words have and will continue to have a negative effect for many years given that an ill-informed, frustrated and largely uneducated audience will grasp it. Thank you for your response and mainly for the amazing contribution you have given for decades. I appluad you. Greetings from Coffs Harbour, NSW, Australia
Thanks, Andy. He is taking us back to the days of parent bashing over kids with neurodevelopmental disorders just as Bettelheim did in the 1940s onward for ASD. It’s a disgrace.
Developed country like Australia also have uneducated people. You can imagine how many of them in my developing county.
@@russellbarkleyphd2023absolutely
I can’t say how much I appreciate this rebuttal. Your advocacy for the lived reality of people with ADHD, the scientific research and the clinical practice in this area is admirable.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD).
Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
@@patioprimate4740ruclips.net/video/gQ-rttdz_PI/видео.htmlfeature=shared
@@patioprimate4740 Alcohol fueled? Talk about lack of empirical evidence! You are grabbing at straws.
@@judykappeler6963 do you have empirical evidence for that comment?
@@patioprimate4740 Nice try.
You're a good man. ADHD is absolutely real and I was diagnosed with it at age 5. It has affected my life in so many ways. Thank you for defending us who struggle with it.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD).
Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
@@patioprimate4740 I'm not reading that, I have adhd
@@priwncess How convenient, especially since you watch the video
Thank you. I’ve just been diagnosed (aged 50, female) with ADHD. My school reports could be used to describe a girl with ADHD. My teachers, who liked and cared about me, knew there was something wrong beyond my diagnosis of dyslexia (make comments along those lines in my reports) but could have had no idea I had ADHD. No one in the U.K. (and probably the US) was diagnosing ADHD in girls back in the 1980s.
I had plenty of play as a child. Some of my strongest memories is of playing with my brother and school friends. Several of my first cousins have diagnosis of ADHD and grew up in different family structures and even in different countries. I’m certain my mother had it, as well as my aunts and my brother.
It is most definitely not caused by a lack of play.
I'm like you, 50s girl, and nope, no one would've diagnosed me in the 80s. And if they had, if I'd gotten help, I wouldn't have spent my adult life feeling like I'm failing at everything. ❤
Dyslexia is often a co diagnosis with ADHD
In Australia either. They were diagnosis boys in the late 1990s that’s the first I heard about it.
@@3dchickand damn those peri menopausal and menopausal hormone changes make it worse
@@Dancestar1981 yes I used the dyslexia diagnosis as well my bother and several first cousins being diagnosed as grounds for having an assessment when I was originally refused.
Follow professional practice and "admit the limits of your expertise". I just don't think that's possible for someone endowed with the amount of hubris and ego thatJordan Peterson appears to be. Like a lot of these pop psychs. and scientists he is addicted to the sound of his own voice and believes he can pontificate on just about anything with zero regard for real expertise, scholarship, evidence, peer review or ultimately harmful impact. People like Peterson give psychology a bad name by sprouting aphorisms and linguistic verbiage in the name of psychology which really just serve to make them sound smart and sell their name or their books. Thank you for having the courage over your convictions sir and thank you for not giving him more air time which way too many people who should know better give him.
Hi Dr Barkley,
I wanted to let you know that I owe you a huge debt of gratitude. I have struggled for my entire life with so many things, and it wasn't until last year I started to become aware that almost all of these symptoms were associated with ADHD. This sent me on a journey of discovery and ultimately led me to you, and your wonderful talks on RUclips. After listening to you speak so eloquently on the subject I decided to seek a diagnosis because of how strongly the things you described resonated with me. Of course, I got formally diagnosed with ADHD and am now medicated as a result. This is in no small part down to you.
You are a credit to your field and come across as a wonderful, empathetic and understanding human being. I just wanted to thank you for the work you continue to do to this day in helping educate people on what is frankly a terrible (and often misunderstood) disorder that impacts the lives of so many. We will likely never meet, but if we do you can expect a hug and some tears.
Thank you once again and I wish you all the very best in your future endeavours.
3:30 Thank you for this, as someone who considers themsleves as you put it, "on the left"; cancelling, on the whole, is unhelpful and does not actually get people to examine critically the opinions that are being platformed, it only gets people to double down and deeper into what their opinions.
Bravo Dr. Barkley, you explained it so well. I've got ADHD , diagnosed as an adult, way too late. When I listen to Peterson I want to throw up because of the level of Ignoranz. Thank you for coming forward and making things so clear. ❤
Dr. Barkley, yes, I'm listening while typing. Thank you so much for calling out the quack with FACTS! I just turned 65. If anyone does a study on postmenopausal people let me know! The symptoms change as time goes on. It has nothing to do with how little rough and tumble play I get!
I’d like to put my hand up as part of that in Australia
Appreciate you doing this as I was very disappointed to hear Peterson's views on ADHD. It causes harm and adds to the stigma. People really latch onto to everything he says so nice to see a rebuttal.
Exactly, I liked JP years ago when he first started, but since he has let politics and other stuff get to his head he has really fallen off the deep end. It's good we have commentary like this to balance it out.
This video came on the perfect time for me, I literally got diagnosed last week with Adult ADD, struggling 23 years.
Few days ago I saw the commentary of Jordan Peterson and felt absolutely stupid and sad by believing what he was saying. Now that I saw your video and researched more studies of you I actually got my hopes back. It sucks as Jordan Peterson was a big inspiration for me, but the fame took his ego and blindness.
I sincerely thank you for your knowledge and the work your do, I really hope Peterson apologizes and does his research as this damages so many people with his reach.
@@laymanlinguist God that's awfull, the danger misinformation on social media is the growing virus these days. It's a good lesson for me to always do research after every claim.
Make sure you have someone to discuss parts of your life negatively affected by ADHD/ADD. It can be depressing. I would get a therapist. You will need an objective person. Objectivity cost.
@@LAExposeTruthorTirade Yeh i have it right now and it's helping a lot. Do you have any other tips or routines that help performance problems? I'm open te take medication aswell hopefully that's gonna work a bit, but what I've heard what helps most is sticking on a adhd routine.
@@paolovanoudenallen2272 Here's a bunch of strategies/tips/resources I've amassed since my own diagnosis in case it's helpful. Good wishes to you! : - )
- Visible reminders that the Catch-22 of ADHD is having to use a glitchy executive function system to monitor executive functions, therefore it's to be expected that forgetting I have a problem is part of the problem and my supports are there to HELP me
(I can be rebellious after a lifetime of people shaming and should-ing on me when I was trying my best ; - )
- Pre-planning structures and systems so I don't have to work so hard or stress so much (some details below)
- Temptation bundling boring tasks with something fun or rewarding during/and or right afterwards (podcast, music, etc.)
In general, rewards, rewards, rewards! ; - D
- Using a visual timer for X minutes to gamify tasks/create the illusion of urgency
(I do a modified version of the Pomodoro system, varying the times based on the task/my energy/available time, etc.)
- Turning off email and text alerts and only checking them at set times
- Separating my Planning-Prioritizing and Doing functions by picking a max of one to three "must-do" tasks the day before and doing them first-ish
(reduces decision overwhelm and stress and ensures most important things get done)
- To help prioritize, asking what would have the most return on investment
- CONDENSING Focused Productive Time earlier in the day so I get to spend more of my day/life feeling successful : - )
- For really challenging tasks or IBNUs (important but not urgent), using a visual timer and putting a note in my eye line with What I'm working on, the Why (big picture benefit), and my Reward for immediately afterwards ; - D
- Using reminder alarms to TAKE BREAKS (and come back from them ; - ) plus a note somewhere I can't miss (e.g. on top of keyboard) of what I was working on and the next step to continue it
- Having set check-in times to evaluate how the day is going/what I'd like to do next, plus a stress reduction technique and a mini reward : - )
- Using a calendar and creating a habit to add items to it immediately
- Data dumping all to-dos in one place
- Using electronic alarms and reminders
- visual reminders in the physical environment
(a note on door handle for an item in the fridge, a to-do list of priorities on top of keyboard)
- "Paying" myself for especially odious tasks with guilt-free money or time spent on something I enjoy
- Doing mini bursts of movement to reset and reenergize throughout the day (waving arms, marching in place, dancing to one song, taking a walk, etc.)
- Scheduling IBNUs, exercise, and essential chores like laundry on the calendar with an electronic reminder and a juicy reward : - )
(Recommend ADHD experts John Ratey and/or Ed Hallowell for inspiration on the benefits of exercise for ADHD)
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RUclips channels:
- How to ADHD with Jessica McCabe
- Clutterbug's videos on ADHD
- ADHD Jesse (his Avoiding Toxic Productivity advice has over a million views for a reason : - )
- ADDitude mag online
- CHADD support groups for ADHD
- Russell Barkley's validating 8-9-23 video
"ADHD & Time Blindness"
- Thomas Frank's video
"How to Never Be Late Again - College Info Geek"
(illustrates accounting for the "invisible" units of time required to be on time)
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If you're read this far, give yourself a reward for learning about ADHD!
; - D
I really appreciate this video. My brother and I were both adopted from different families, I have adhd, my brother had fetal alcohol syndrome. They're wildly different conditions and they're both very real. Thank you for your work and dedication to this community xo
I am so grateful that this appeared on my recommended list. I admire the passion and dedication to the scientific method. As someone who struggles to cope with ADHD daily, I’ve had to do my own research to ferret out the mechanisms which alter my life experience. It’s very refreshing to hear someone who knows what they are talking about, and to quash the unfounded notions of naysayers who’s posits hold no water. Thank you so much.
Ah Dr Peterson, the premier expert in psychology, economics, politics and now neurodevelopment 😂
don't forget he's also a nutrition expert
@laymanlinguist JP, the lobster expert, marine biology enthusiast
he also knows everything about climate change /s
Also climate change expert
He’s a puppet of the far right
Not to worry Dr. Barkley. I know you are the premier expert on ADHD. You are one of the folks that helped led me to my diagnosis. I am so happy that you have this channel to make your lectures more easily available.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD).
Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
@@patioprimate4740I'm sorry that you can't ejaculate without thinking about JP. But let me explain something called nuance to your underdeveloped brain. It's okay to like JP and also recognize he has no idea what he's talking about on certain subjects. But to you: "If he's wrong about this that must mean they're saying he's wrong about everything! If he's wrong about something I can't like him anymore!"
Grow up and move out of your mom's house.
P.S. I love JP. I think he's a genius when it comes to certain topics that I won't get into. But I'm also not 3 years old. He's an idiot about ADHD. And that's okay. I just won't watch his discussions on that topic. Again, grow up.
It's times like these that make me appreciate your channel even more than usual. Having somebody that is well spoken and has the receipts and who is willing to speak up for the affected is absolutely invaluable.
As always, thank you so much for doing the work and speaking about it.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD).
Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
@@patioprimate4740 You paste the same comment over and over again. Can't you be more creative?
Thanks for sticking up for us Doc. Your videos have been the single best source of help in understanding and coping with ADHD. Funnily enough, John Wick is my imaginary patron saint of ADHD related struggles. He didn't want to get dragged back into his old life but he always finds a way to keep going and keep pushing forward no matter how hopeless the situation seems.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD).
Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
Thank you. Looking forward to listening to this whole thing after work!!
When I was diagnosed at 30, after I hit a huge personal and professional rock bottom, YOUR lectures are where I found myself. At night, on my lunch break, I listened, and relistened. Thank you for so much valuable info.
And the hard numbers and stats you presented were the final reason I decided to go ahead and try stimulant meds (with great success). I was listening to you talk about car accidents, and your loss of your brother, and was like……oh. Totaled 2 cars in wrecks, and had a smattering of 8-9 small wrecks over the years. Not to mention my divorce lol, and the years upon years of “you have so much potential, if you’ll only applyyyyy yourselffff..” 😅
I got diagnosed at the age of 35, then I'm like damnnnnn so that's why I get into car accidents ALL the time! Like seriously my car looks like a wreck, people keep asking don't you wanna get that patched up I'm like nah it's just gonna get scratched and shit again so I don't care at this point 😂
Congratulations at getting diagnosed!! Probably the best thing to ever happen to our lives at this age 😄
The potential!! I feel that SO HARD 😂
Thank God for you. A doctor that cares about us.
THANK YOU! I put off treatment for half a decade because of this guy. He cost me years of health, relationships, my career! Thank you for rebutting the things he says!
Thank you Dr Barkley. How timely and powerful is your info for debunking this shockingly damaging misinformation by influential figures like Dr Jordan Peterson!
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD).
Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
Thank you Dr Barkley. I got diagnosed at 32 and I have to admit that I would share Peterson's opinions had I not experienced it personally. Even after diagnosis, I had my doubts until I heard Dr Barkley speak on it.
I came here today expecting to learn something new, but was pleasantly surprised by 27 minutes of T-shirt wearing, wine drinking Dr. Barkley ripping the dreaded Jordan Peterson a new one. What a treat! 🎉
In all seriousness, thank you for calling out his misinformation and dangerous politically motivated opinions. We need voices like your challenging him.
Barkley repeats the same rebut over and over the whole video saying JP's claims are based on outdated data, yet any data Barkley cites doesn't necessarily contradict JP's sentiment. He then goes on to to say that JP is wrong that ADHD is not only caused by toxin exposure (strawman argument) but instead genetics, yet later admits ADHD can be caused by toxin exposure. Barkley claims JP should admit the limit of his knowledge, yet this is exactly what he (Barkley) is not doing. He is not an expert in the field of genetics, as he doesn't even factor epigenetics. He then goes on to make fallacious arguments such as lack of evidence equals evidence of absence and denying the antecedent (when he said if there was lack of play the a whole school would show symptoms of ADHD).
Barkley's insistence on addressing JP mainly as a celebrity is characteristic of this all being a jealousy and alcohol fueled tirade.
@@patioprimate4740 Why are you repeating yourself? Can't you at least vary your argument instead of pasting the same rebuttal ?
If you are calling Jordan Peterson "dreaded" I assume you are making a broad brush comment on him that he does more harm than good. I've only ever heard that statement out of people who have only seen soundbites from him, or at least haven't done a deep dive. He has hours and hours and hours and hours of unscripted talking on RUclips. He's made thousands of statements and of course everyone will disagree with some of them. There's not a human being alive that I would agree with literally 100% of the time on everything, especially when dealing with that volume of statements. I've never in my life, encountered anyone who thought that he was actually a bad or negative influence on the world who wasn't coming at it from an ideological perspective. On the hall, he's absolutely a force for good. The numbers of people who are their own worst enemy and going down the wrong path in life who he provided the guidance for so that they could get themselves on track are innumerable. He constantly has people coming up to him and telling him how he's convinced them to stop playing video games and smoking weed and actually work to further their lives and repair relationships with family and friends and become a dependable person who contributes to their family and community in the world.
I can't express to you, the sadness in my heart when people take someone that has dedicated their lives to truly helping people and casts them as wholesale bad because they family disagreed with one or two things that person has said out of the thousands of things they've said. I don't know who your absolute hero is, but I guarantee that person has said, and done things that would make you shake your head and be disappointed in them. If you held the same standard for Jordan that you're doing for everybody else, you literally think everybody was bad.
@@EstellaLynn I vehemently disagree with him on a few things, ADHD being one of them because oh boy do I ever have it. So what though? I've heard him say hundreds and hundreds of things. If I disagree with a half dozen of them that still means I agree with 98% of it. The fact you feel I'm coming at him from an ideological perspective because you thought I agreed with him on one particular issue says more about you than me. I can't imagine agreeing with anybody 100% of the time. You think he's a negative on the world and are willing to throw out all the good he's done because you disagree with him on your particular button issue again, says more about you than him.
From France, I thank you so much for having made this video. Peterson has a certain audience here too.
To be fair, he only influences idiots and bad people looking for rationalization. If it wasn't him it would be some other grifter.
Noooooo 😢 that’s depressing
Thank you very much for this, I got evaluated a couple of days ago, and am now waiting for the results, I came across Peterson saying ADHD was a myth and I felt lazy, like an impostor. I sort of always followed him but never too sincerely, and now I have this self-doubt spiral that I'm just making excuses, and the wait till I get my results is going to be very anxiety-ridden. This video was really helpful, thank you for this and all your hardwork in the field.
It’s awful we hear so many negative comments our entire lives from family, friends, peers, work colleagues and society in general accusing us of being lazy when we are the complete opposite. We work 10 times harder to achieve half the results of the average neurotypical person. When we are in our element we outshine all of those around us like the brightest star
In regards to Peterson (and many others): If you ask someone a question, he/she will answer. And it's rarely a "I dont know". If you are a celebrity its probably even harder to say "I dont know" if you dont have a clue.
I appreciate you being very clear about his unqualified opinions in regards to ADHD and I would just love to see more people say "I dont know" when they dont.
I suspect ego was at play
You clearly don't listen to the man very often. Jordan says he doesn't know all the time, and often do he will say something and the person interviewing him gives him pushback and an alternative idea, and he will almost always truly contemplate that idea and he very often says that the other person is either completely right or partially right. He's absolutely open to the idea of him being wrong, and there are countless examples of this. I wish people would actually learn about the guy from more than a couple sound bites before attacking him.
Thank you Dr. As an ADHD individual im in tears hearing someone use a platform to speak in defense instead of having to do it alone. Your last point my life proves with my time in the Marine Infantry. I excelled at the training. Instant gratification in improvement of skills that is immediately provable and measurable. Civie life? Well now I work for tips and do well because its instant gratification of my performance.
Psychologist Rob K. Henderson (who does NOT have ADHD) speaks of his time in the military as a success in part because it is set up to have a "tight link between actions and consequences" which he believes is a pretty good set-up for most young men. It struck me that this might be especially useful for those suffering from ADHD; too bad the military (understandably) doesn't accept recruits who take ADHD medication.
As it gives you a dopamine rush.
The best RUclips commentary video I have ever seen!
As usual, Dr Barkley uses his immense expertise and communication skills to lay down the facts. Thank you.
Thanks for clarifying his phallacies. He is perpetuating the wrongful perception people have about ADHD. It is so hard.
Thank you so much, Dr. Barkley.
I struggle so much and people like Jordan Peterson trying to discredit my experience and disability does hurt, it hurts my ability to seen and cared for.
I appreciate that you made this video.
Thank you. You have explained in your videos ADHD in a way that I have known about myself intuitively my entire life. The behaviors you've explained, I already knew about myself. Things I struggled with, things I thought were deficiencies within myself, no matter how much I tried working on, with psychological professional "help" which were not successful, because they didn't understand what I was dealing with. Thank you for calling out Jordan Peterson. My experience with mental health professionals has proven to me, even in psychological circles, confirmation bias is a thing.
Btw, I have ADHD and high functioning ASD, which made dealing with these "pros" even more problematic. The need for sugar, short breaks, small goals, exercise, ✅️✅️✅️✅️. I have a twin brother who is ADHD as well, I have had rough and tumble play, with the knee scars to prove it.
Btw, ASD effects multiple generations of family on my paternal side and ADHD on my mother's.
Dual diagnosis is the double whammy I have it too we just have to find our special niche to be able to use our incredible strengths in the service of humanity and that in itself will give us huge dopamine hits in a positive way
It’s 99 percent genetic mine is from my dad
Would you believe last night I was just thinking how nice it would be to have a real scientist in the field with a good understanding of the relevant literature address peterson’s views on ADHD. The esteem in which Peterson holds psychoanalysis and Jung in particular tells you everything you need to know about where empiricism sits in his epistemological framework.
Great video Dr Barclay. Thank you for responding to this. I think it is important that experts such as yourself come forward when none experts are attmpting to disseminate damging false information. I had to laugh when you apologised for the level of passion and emotion on the video - these are things you will never have to aplogise to us ADHDers about, we feel you. ❤
I watched a video of Peterson sit in a coffee shop with Ben Shapiro "debunking" transgender community by talking in circles about his own personal daddy issues. Not a single word critically debunking anything. Thank you for explaining to the world how ignorant he is.
Jordan Peterson is a case study on projection. The guy has some deep, apparently unresolved psychological issues. How people don't see this is beyond me.
@@DavidLombardo He used to seem relatively normal, prior to all the fame! (And the loss of a loved one, the depression, and the benzo addiction..)
When he first was thrust onto the scene, I watched some of his old lectures, and he really has had great things to say about philosophy, Jungian archetypes, social psych, etc.
Nowadays, though, he needs to drop the ego and stay in his damn lane 🤡
@@DannyD-lr5ygjungian archetypes are mostly pseudoscience by modern standard in psychology and he was pretty ignorant on philosophy since his early days
@@ghostxl8525 Archetypes are a helpful tool - neither magical nor hard science. They're what you make of them: a way to think about life, yourself, or others in a metaphorical way, allowing you to open your mind to insight and alternative lines of thinking that you might otherwise be closed off to. Considering archetypes as a way to gain insight is no different than gleaning insight about your life after watching a fictional movie.
@@ghostxl8525if you say that jungian archetypes that reflect the subconscious are pseudoscience then you might as well say that all of psychology and the study of the subconscious mind is pseudoscience. Cause they’re not doing scientific brain scans on everyone when they give out diagnosis and misdiagnose people often
You are like a guardian angel appearing in a time of need and crisis as the heavens cry. I love the "animatedness" I think it's a bonus to how easy you are to hear and understand while listening.
Your emotion and passion is appreciated - I believe I can speak for most of us when I say you are our avatar in this instance. There is a pernicious movement to delegitimize the condition, and for those of us who know first hand how debilitating and life-ruining it can be, that movement can seem like an existential threat - I don't care to dwell on the path my life would certainly have taken if it were not for timely clinical intervention.
It is gratifying and reassuring to have a champion such as yourself.
Absolutely when it needs to be legitimised for government assistance
This might literally be my favourite video of all time. Thank you for addressing this!!
I love your work. I don't much appreciate your hysterical tone. It is not persuasive, it makes you look a little unhinged. Naturally, I understand your frustration, the "ADHD doesn't exist" notion is everywhere and maddening.
Just want to add your youtube channel is such a needed and excellent resource based on science, research and experience. I am always directing people to it to learn more instead of all the misinformation out there.
Thank you Dr. Barkley. I'm 26 and have recently been diagnosed with ADHD. Had seen this Jordan Peterson interview some time ago and was very confused because since I was young I've done Judo and idk what else can be more of a rough and tumble play then that. So seeing this video today was very soothing and confirmed my beliefs
It's not very difficult to debunk JP. All you need on the other side of the debate is someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
Brilliant video by Dr. Barkley, as always.
The legions of people who turn themselves around and gone from someone who is driftless, and purposeless, to people who are now a net force for good, would like to disagree with you. You don't have to agree with everything the guy says, but to dismiss him out right as if he's wrong about everything is either incredibly naïve, or just comes from a hateful ideological place. Neither are good.
@@jasondashney I'm not saying that he hasn't helped people. I'm just saying, he is consistently wrong with pretty much everything.
Thank you, Dr. Barkley for all your work studying and educating people about ADHD. I have a son with ADHD and your book (Taking Charge of ADHD) and your lectures have been so helpful and illuminating for me. Thank you for rebutting this silly BS by Peterson. You're the best, I'm so grateful.
I am a psych clinician. Loved this brilliant, succinct debunk of JP's garbage commentary on the validity of the neurodevelopmental profile/diagnosis. I was cackling with glee at your perfectly caustic commentary. This is my first visit to your channel, can't wait to watch more. Thank you!
My story is a perfect example of ADHD authenticity. I was given dexedrine by my mother's doctor for the purpose of losing weight... in 1968 . I had not heard of ADHD or amphetamines at this point. I did not lose a pound. But I became my mother's best child overnight. When my older sister sent me crosstops in the mail four years later, my love of speed was born. I fought the addiction but couldn't deny how much better I functioned. Decades until I put two and two together. Unfortunately , the best attention I ever got from my mother was the attention she gave me when I was suddenly her favorite child. She hated me and was a source of shame and longing. Perfect setup for a painful life . I wish I could do an autobiography. Amazing story, mine.
What is crosstops?
Dr. Barkley, we may differ in political views but I am very grateful for this video. I've watched many of your lectures and even bought your book since being diagnosed as an adult. I can see your passion for ADHD research and education. It is very heartwarming.
I am so glad you made this video, honestly.
Thank you Dr Barkley. It's about time somebody with your level of expertise puts Jordan Peterson in his place. I can't even watch him without having a visceral reaction. I can't believe he gets the attention that he does.
I used to be a huge fan of Peterson, I listened to hundreds of hours of podcasts, videos, etc. As he became more and more prominent, it became obvious to me that he was cherry picking his information to fit his world view. For all his talking about controlling one self, he lets his emotions guide his arguments and judgements more than the facts on the ground or the arguments at hand.
Dr. Barkley, this is a great video, thanks for tackling it.
I used to be a fan of his content but I've come to my senses since and as someone who wants to pursue clinical psychology I consider him an absolute disgrace to the field
Same for me. My older brother introduced me to his lectures on youtube (both me and my brother have adhd). Peterson’s speeches made so much sense, I found myself agreeing with every word he said. He is so good at speaking, dangerously good. After a while I realized he is just a lunatic who eats vulnerable boys/men. I havent spoken to my brother in well over a year, he cut ties with my parents also. Because he thinks this family is poison and full of unhealthy relations. I miss my brother, and it tears me apart to see my parents so confused and heartbroken to why their first child suddenly shut them out of his life. Pardon my english, its not my first language.
A lot of of have had this experience with Peterson. It’s embarrassing to watch his content these days
That makes two of us, started studying Psych because of him, now I cant stand to watch anything he posts.
@@martinmyhre9815 1000% my experience also. And your English is 100% fine, dw (and this is coming from someone who is self-taught and German) ;) But yeah, I mentioned this all the time back then also until I became more confident in my abilities etc.
@@martinmyhre9815 eats vulnerable boys/men xd You mean help them? Sure, Jordan Peterson likes to talk a lot about everything and it's tiresome but he sure also had a good deal of positive influence on people.
This is interesting. I've been grappling with the possibility of me having ADHD after having seeing a lecture of yours from 9 years ago. You explained it in such a way that it basically explained my entire 28 years of living, and it left me relieved but sad that I now knew why I've been such an awkward, nerdy, lazy underachiever. I thought you had to be a hyperactive, disruptive bundle of energy to have it. I've only begun to change my life this year because my depression peaked as I looked back at my life and realized I wasn't the person I wanted to be ever since I was 13. Not even close...and I have no idea why I have such a hard time changing it. Lots of other issues were also explained, that I've long had justified as "just being me".
It made me wonder recently why motivational oriented Jordan Peterson never really spoke about the implications of ADHD and how it can flip your life upside down. I guess it's because he doesn't believe in it
i have been learning from your content and i am utterly grateful for you for speaking about adhd and encourging others to get educated and for allowing me to get into headspace of accpting that this is a real imbalance and life has been much better since i starting meds under a doctor supervision, also i am fan of dr peterson he has helped me setting my life straigh and analysing my actions
but i was shocked about his views regards ADHD and it made me sad but i have to say i am extremlly happy for you to be relasing this video even if it didnt reach jordan it is extremly necessary that there to exist content on the internet that shows the truth and it couldnt come from more knowldgble and educated person that you dr barkley thank you and apprciate all the work
Thank you so much for addressing this because people will see PHD behind someone’s name and just assume that everything they say is 100% accurate vetted for authenticity. he is a charlatan in my opinion and anything he promotes should be taken with a grain of salt.
Thank you! as someone diagnosed at 42, the feeling of validation that gave to me is indescribable. thank you for your work and rebuttal.
Yes! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thank you Dr Barkley… this is SO helpful for us, as the ADHD Community… you’re arming us against this onslaught of misinformation with your credibility and profound knowledge of the research literature. THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thank you for addressing this! No better person to do so than you.
Love you Dr. Barkley. Love your ending of telling him to say 'I don't know' re: a field he's not qualified to speak on. But if you see Peterson speak on pretty much anything, "I don't know' isn't in his vocab. Truly dangerous info, especially since he's so popular and reinforcing a lot of other dangerous mental health theories long debunked.
Thank you for your service to the wellness of people struggling with ADHD.
I am a girl and had ADHD since I was in grade 4. I played A LOT in my childhood. I used to play with other kids in my neighborhood every day, I used to run, bike, and socialize with my peers in school and outside of school. Unlike my siblings who had same opportunity of play, I struggled a lot with this conditions. Just like my dad struggled before (unlike any of his siblings)
This was a joy to watch! Thank you for your passion and dedication to upholding scientific standards.
BRAVO Dr Barkley, and thank you for calling out J Peterson in such no-nonsense terms.
I recently watched youtube of JP, out of curiosity, opining on ADHD and found his views and arrogance nauseating and his open disdain wholly insulting to individuals and families affected by this disorder.
Like a B grade horror movie, I could not stomach watching JP all the way to the end, and found myself wondering what Dr Barkley would indeed think of such a tasteless spectacle. So thank you again for all your wonderful work and for sharing your valuable and helpful knowledge, providing hope and encouragement.
I was recommended to read 12 rules for life by a psychologist. And I can say, he often takes speculation and wishful thinking as a known finding. In some topics like religion he just has the answers and looks for support no matter how weak it is. He is a great storyteller and that's how he managed to make compelling arguments of opinions. Plus most of his advice is basic psychological principles. This type of practice is why scientists didn't take serious psychology for so long. From Freud to him, you can see some part of the profession still doesn't hold proper scientific method standards, casting doubts on the exemplarity of the whole research field with it.
Thank you Russell for being one of the most rigorous places on the internet to get informed by ADHD. It really makes a difference.
I read it as well. The book itself was pretty good because as you say, he is a good story teller and the advise was pretty basic. Then I kept reading things after that he would say in the media and he thinks far too highly of his own opinions. LOL
His gift of the gab is what made Jordan Peterson Famous
@@tonyadamson641I’d agree it’s his own hubris as the Greeks call it. we would call it ego or arrogance
0440am - Dr. Barkley, your elevation of awareness through decades of research and contemplation. After 40 years struggling to define events, social isolation and poor choices I was unable to reliably avoid or see coming. It has been an exhausting life but your books and research allowed me to grasp the “how/why” part of my behavior, motivation and time awareness. Your work and spoken delivery saved my sanity and inspired me to seek therapy. I am still learning to anticipate and/or visually structure responsibilities. My greatest achievements have come since I began treatment. Your voice will remain foundational in any future discussion.
I am so glad you did this. Its especially been hard on the center right with this stuff. There is a serious and quite frankly deliberate ignorance about it right now.
Deliberate ignorance is a perfect way of putting it
Dr. Barkley, you are a gem, please continue making lovely content like this!
I have tears in my eyes! Thank you for standing up for me!
I haven't watched the full video, but thank you so much for this, we need more discussions like these where people have disagreements or do not believe in adhd
Thank you, thank you, thank you. As someone who was raised in fundamentalist religious circles, surrounded by people who hang on Peterson's every word and refuse to medicate their children, THANK YOU. I am so sick of Peterson being lauded as an oracle of genius. Your talks have really helped me to get help for, and accept the reality of, my own ADHD instead of trying to pretend I was fine and just suffering.
We are so lucky to have someone like Dr. Barkley still fighting and advocating for us with ADHD, despite the immense amount of societal stigma surrounding this disorder. Thank you, doctor.
Just thank you. I honestly felt so defeated after hearing his stance on ADHD. I'm an educated, intelligent, ADHD'er, and it was STILL very upsetting to hear what he believes about ADHD, even though I disagree. It made me question myself, even more than I already do, especially because I value his stance on so many other things. I truly feel like you really stuck up for us, kind of getting intellectually bullied and gaslit by him on this topic. Just thank you. ❤
Fabulous. So grateful you’re doing these videos. Thank you!!
Wow! No "WOW!" This one bothered me too! Im just a victim of ADHD and dyslexia, no scholar, but my flags were up on his take. You and Dr. Hollowell have helped me achieve more in my life than ever before my diagnosis. You don't know this but I have been awarded 3 US Patents since following you guys. Thats huge! The ability to obtain a goal over time! Humm, I stole that one from you too! Lol! So i was at my first CHADD conference and i watched you put my life story up on the wall and you had never met me. You nailed me. I have been a fan ever since. My daughter lives in your area and i would be honored to buy you a bottle of your favorite vino just to celebrate! Im not sure about Peterson. Something is just not right. I would love to meet you one day.
Thanks for your support of my work. No need to send any wine, we have plenty as you can imagine. I am delighted my work has been of value to you and your family. Be well. Russ
As soon as a saw Jordan Peterson talk about adhd, I was hoping you two would have a debate. Thank you for this video
"…It constantly strikes me that, "Oh my God, you should be able to debate these people and show how nonsensical they are," and then realizing any sane person who is coming from my field would be out of their minds to even engage in such a debate or discussion.
…Why? Because the undercurrent of their claims is not anything that's solvable by rational arguments and facts. The men's rights types and others who parrot their claims are just trying to appeal to unpleasant emotions. You cannot reason somebody out of a stance they were not reasoned into in the first place.
Jordan Peterson doesn't have followers because his arguments are logically airtight. There are many men who are fed up with feeling that they are somehow marginalized or made peripheral. Peterson is someone who is telling them what they want to hear on an emotional level.”
~Robert Sapolsky
You are a good man. Thank you for being a strong voice for those with ADHD.
Thank you for your continued efforts to share the facts of this condition with the public.
At first I wanted to refer to what you were doing as "advocacy" but that sort of implies you merely have strong opinions but no, you're not refuting Jordan Peterson's feelings with your own, but with the real, relevant data and research about the disorder.
THANK YOU!!
I'm ASD-1 and ADHD, 45yrs old male, still 'technically' undiagnosed...
Being FORCED to adapt our behavior to match neurotypicals DOES NOT "FIX" anything. It's more like being pushed through and emotional cheese-grater... and I've only recently, in the last few years, realized how much emotional damage that process has caused. I was in Panic-Response mode around 90% of my waking life from 10yr old to around 35-ish. Still there... but it doesn't ENTIRELY control my life any longer.
No it ruins your life and makes you more determined to flip the switch and take control of your own circumstances that’s where I’m at age 42 I’ve decided f it I’m sick of other people dictating to me how to live my life and a lifetime of bullying. Only diagnosed this year
I thought I couldn't respect you more, but you really are my hero❤
Thank you thank you Dr. Barkley! I was diagnosed as a child but my parents were also told I could “control it but choose not to cause I’m rebellious” so I wasn’t medicated til an adult. I now fight for my children as half of them have this disorder. It truly does hurt us when people posing as experts say these things. I truly appreciate your passion for this and this channel. It helps to have rebuttals when people bring up such asinine, outdated comments.
Dr Russell, your lectures from 2014 have profoundly impacted my life. Thank you. My son turned 4 today. We are just alike. I never knew my birth parents so I’ve never known anyone else like me. I’m trying to be a scientist for his sake, both our sakes, hopefully he won’t suffer the way I still do.
He won’t because you will pave the way for him and support him so the future outcome will be far more positive
I'm here from a Tiktok & just want to thank you ❤
I'm disappointed with Dr. Peterson's nonchalant attitude towards ADHD. "Playing more" never fixed my problems in school. Exhausting kids to quiet their mind isn't a reasonable solution lol. Thanks for this video, Dr. Barkley.
@@laymanlinguistExactly.
Thank you very much, as a recently diagnosed 52 year old woman, who has felt stupid for most of those years, thank you for standing up to JP. Also, as a Canadian, thank you for also quoting my favourite author - Vive Gamache 😊
You are very welcome. Ruth Zardo is my favorite character, after the inspector.
@@russellbarkleyphd2023 I am glad to hear that. Louise Penny is a treasure.
Yass 🎉This is what dialogue looks like! 🖖🏼 ❤ Thank you for your opposing opinion and perspective. This is what fosters healthy progress and calling him out is all about. 👨🏼🎤 🍿
Ill be going through all your videos since I finally found your channel, but Ive been seeing clips of your lectures on tiktok and Ive been amazed. I'm 33 years old and was diagnosed with ADD at a very very young age and have grown up my entire life just blindly finding ways to cope and reinventing the wheel. You've quickly become one of my favorite people. You really do understand our brains and it's amazing to hear it all.
I grew up right in the heart of ADD/ADHD fever in the 90s where every kid was diagnosed and put on medicine and as such wasn't really taken seriously by many, including my father where he claimed I didn't actually have it. I also hated the way Ritalin and Concerta affected me, though less with Concerta, though mentally I also just hated having to take a pill to "be normal" but now I wonder if It's worth it even though I've learned to cope enough to work efficiently.