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Is the MacBook Pro 2018 REALLY Bad?
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2018
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Apple’s reputation for… Less than stellar thermal performance certainly precedes it. But is that really all there is to the 2018 Core i9-equipped MacBook Pro?
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Dave Lee puts the macbook in the freezer and Linus takes it out of the oven.
I see a pattern here.
Didn't you know those are connected via a portal?
I see! It’s good for cooking!!!
Yep. RUclips "tech reviewers" using dramatic hyperbole to get clicks from fanboys/haters instead of giving actual insight and level-headed opinions for people who actually care about technology and aren't just loyal to/against a brand.
@@JamesR624 If apple cared about technology, they wouldn't mind making the notebook a bit fat to accommodate a bit more battery and cooling.
The wierdest place you used a MacBook.
The next guy will use it in his bath tub and claim the MacBook should be IP-65
We have Intel not using enough solder, Apple using far too much.
Intel's new 9000 series are starting to see soldered chips
gamechaser002 that they are apparently, remember how Intel was defensive on its use of its use of thermal paste over solder, it’s going to produce micro fractures and all that other rubbish. I guess that logic changes when in order to get a chip to run without exotic cooling at decent clocks, solders back. Looking forward to seeing what 8th gen coffee lake with two cores stuck on can do when you take what should have been a i7 9700K and rebrand it as an i9 9900K because marketing thinks you can milk your customers better that way.
[shrugs] All that's really left is to see what the things will cost. They may be plotted at directly threatening an R7 2700X, but not if they're going to cost more....
gamechaser002, as long as as Intel continues to use monolithic die designs they are unlikely to get close on price to AMD. 8700k launched at around $380, 2700X $330 including cooler. Intel didn’t go ahead and give it a higher name without having a higher cost to go with it. Plus the extra processes added to the cost by going soldered. I’m looking forward to the price too, may be interesting to see how low Intel will go to compete or if they are just going to use the word “gaming” so many times to justify the cost. Problem for Intel it is not just going to be competing with 2700x, 2800x is still rumoured and with intel’s generation cycles it will have to go up against 7nm Zen2 which from GF engineers could reach 5ghz as well as the IPC improvement in the architecture with possibly a 12 or 16 core variant in the main Ryzen lineup. Intel is sinking and clocks are the only thing keeping them on top.
What will be interesting is whether the 9000-series maintains prices throughout its lifespan. It has become almost unheard of for Intel to discount products beyond some token amount like $15. The higher end chips can probably continue to command a premium as long as they have the absolute best clocks, but the mid-end is vulnerable vs. AMD parts that will have similar clocks and cores but probably lower prices. For AMD, 7 nm doesn't just represent a process shrink, it also means they're using TSMC rather than GloFlo, at least at first. Intel has to be hoping that Zen won't scale as well as we think it will (chiplets).
400$ for 16 gigs of extra memory, Apple in a nutshell.
Freaking wild man...F'@#$uc#%@#k Apple! I'm done with them this time for good!!
Lmao just buy last year’s model used
It’s hasn’t been $400 in ages
$1000 for a damn pro stand
@@nowieus just a stand 🤣
Still using my Late 2013 15' MacBook and have had 0 problems for the past 4 years. I strongly believe this is the best model they've ever made, and just looking at all these issues in the newer Macbook's makes me sad, because I don't know what I'm going to upgrade to in the future.
Late 2010 MBA and it's lasted 8 years no trouble, but no upgradeable ram has left it chugging through heavy websites. If only it came with 4 :(
Buy the new surface book 2
@@Reyese98 no thunderbolt 3,no buy.. Imo anyway
Agree. Still using my MBP early 2013. Best model ever. They are doing a good job of not making me want to buy a new Macbook Pro... when this thing dies, not sure what to do.
Maybe the Dell XPS 15... all the ports I need... and looks almost as good.
@Xavier Breath ya know there is this thing called hackintosh u can have mac os on a windows laptop
Apple stores : Sorry sir, we can't fix the scratch on your screen. but you can buy a new screen attached to a new macbook
This is the most bullshit thing I've ever read on YT, apple support is unmatched. It's almost half of the reason why people would buy an apple product.
@@turboxide tell that to Luis Rossman.😑
@@turboxide It is unmatched.
Until they find any reason to weasel out of a problem that they would rather you not know.
Oh, a _certain_ component on a chip on the motherboard isn't working ? That'll be a kidney for the replacement motherboard.
Have you seen the LTT video about them refusing to fix his imac? They literally denied one of the top techtubers and tech innovators on YT the chance to pay for the imac to be fixed. Yes, he wanted to pay money to fix something that should have been done for free but they wouldn't let him.
I don't get what you mean by that, but as long as you have applecare they often just replace it with a new laptop.
The way you sponsor stuff never fails to suprise me
Abdullah Nur Why do you jokers like ads?
TheMonroe654HD lol that was your conclusion for this comment?
Because we don't have to pay for this content, or trade our personal info.. as in ANY other transaction.
Abdullah Nur who tf is gonna buy dbrand like cmon no one covers up the Apple logo
I just don't get why they went for the paper-thin laptop trend. I need a portable workstation, not a knife
Because by the looks of it all, Apple is gearing to abandon the MBP and move everything to the iPad. It probably won't work too well. Or maybe it will, by virtue of using their own CPUs instead of Intel that's dead in the water for the time being.
Alienware?!
@@thewiedzmin6062 why the fuck would I want a shitty overpriced laptop ?
Asus gl703
What's wrong with that, Blinging it up at Starbucks? Sounds good to me. @X777 1235813
As people say, 'Pro' stands for 'profit' not 'professional'.
i've never enjoyed using a apple product. From the iPod to the iPhone, I see absolutely no reason to ever purchase a apple product. Especially considering how overpriced they are. People purchase apple products for the perceived status the brand gives them... not for the benefits of the product because there are none. Anything a apple product can no, other companies can do better.
@@BillClinton228 See, you were making a really good point up until you said "people purchase apple products for the perceived status.." Not entirely true. If Apple ran Windows on their Macbooks lets say, then I might buy an XPS or Surface, but the operating system is one of the reasons I'm using Apple at the moment. I prefer using macOS and iOs. That's simply it. There are certain things which push me even more towards apple like the track pad and the design of the macbooks...but that is not the decision maker for me and many others. I'm just saying you can't really put everyone who purchases an apple product in to one group.
so... why aren't you using hackintosh on cheaper and better device in that price?
@@BillClinton228 dumb argument bud
Janek Krawiecki How are you going to take that with you?
Talk shit about mac. You get da Smack.
I’m personally glad I can cook dinner while working. Great for productivity.
I hope people understand this is a joke xd
I was confused as first, then i nearly died
Bro how did u manage that when i tried the egg burnt away instead of getting cooked
Wrap your fingers in batter and tinfoil, for the ultimate pig-in-a-blanket side dish while typing up your due college report!
😂
I do think Apple should have done something to the cooler, but you are right about this being an industry wide problem. It seems like i9s shouldn't be in ultra thin laptops yet.
GODOFGUITAR2112 but muh narrative of Apple sucking!
Apple is just as much to blame as any other manufacture. They are doing just as little as everyone else in this case.
YOU ARE SO DAMN ON POINT!!!!!!
@@GODOFGUITAR2112 but apple is the only one that gets the blame
GODOFGUITAR2112 I'm almost wondering if Intel's architecture downright sucks. ARM-based processors are getting incredible performance now, and they don't need cooling. I expect to see Apple move to ARM someday of Intel doesn't do something major to improve their architecture
If only you could install MacOS on a laptop not made by Apple. Some sort of hackbook, customtosh.. hackmac.. you know what iMean.
ElementaryOS?
g00gle minus there is a way, but macOS hackbooks are very very picky
@@JR-mk6ow hackintosh
Yeah that’d be lit, unfortunately hackintoshes are illegal
Yes that would be ideal
"Pro" is just like "Gamer" for hardware - buzzword for overpricing.
We have soldered everything to prevent you from having to think about repairs or upgrades. If your MAC fails or needs more storage or memory simply buy a new one. We do all this thinking of you.
It just.... needs replacement.
correction -> "we do all this thinking of your wallet"
Think different. Think data loss. _Think extortion._
youtubasoarus if it’s out of warranty, you don’t want to know how much a BGA/Soldered board will cost.
It will cost as much as a new laptop and it will be no surprise if Apple asks you to “get the new model” anyway.
That's the price you pay if you want the slimmest iPoop Pro.
somewhere on this earth every hour an i9 laptop is Thermal Throttling.
Constantly... You could probably cook on these things...
There's actually a video on youtube where they try to cook an egg on it. It didn't fully cook even when the cpu was 90°C+
StarFly can you give me a link? :D or what do i need to search?
Cooking with CPU
Star, Search youtube. It's a great place to search for videos.
What a great video. I loved how it was presented and well researched.
This is why you buy apple 'pro'ducts at least 6 months afrlter the release
Destinct Shaw Used is even better 😁
Haha I'm out here in 2021 getting this model. I'm a bit behind, but paying under $1400
Thanks Linus, I didn't realize that port in the MBP 17 was meant for data recovery! Totally not worth the upgrade now.
Apple now does data recovery through USB-C directly to the T2 chip. It's easier to do that vs opening up the computer
@@eliahd20 what about when the motherboard dies? Say goodbye to usb functionality. Great...
Amen bro
That's cool and all, but a cooked CPU that kills the voltage regulator and shorts out the main DC input power rail on that board is going to take your precious USB-C controller and T2 co-processor with it. and because Apple doesn't *really* do data recovery, they're going to tell you "it's impossible to get anything back. buy a new one." when they plug the USB-C port in and nothing happens.
I hope they haven't paired the T2 or NAND chips to the board, because you may be able to move them to a "donor recovery" system to get the data off. This is one shit show of a product cycle...
Jaden S. Apple: hol maah beer. 🍻
apple needs to fix their cooling solution before making macbooks slimmer
They should call them like this "Thin as a piece of paper, burn like one."
THE CОММUИIST POTATO you'd think because they are worth a trillion dollars they could engineer a proper cooling solution for several thousand dollar laptops
it would probably require a laptop that isn't so fucking thin, you either need more space for heat sinks or more air moving over them. which is either louder or thicker and that's not the apple way, the real solution is to use lower tdp cpu's
el roberto they had a proper cooling system; then people were complaining that they didn’t have the next generation CPUs. They added them and they hadn’t been optimised for by developers. This issue isn’t exclusive to Apple. Find a laptop that cools efficiently with the i9 CPU in a similar form factor to the MacBook Pro. You’ll be hard pressed to find one. That’s not because the cooling in the MacBook isn’t effective, it’s because Devs aren’t properly optimising for the processor in a laptop’s form factor
@@BloodSprite-tan Thin laptops are actually called tablets to me.
I love the way the monitor flickers and blanks out then comes back that just oozes quality.
I agree, I bought a new MacBook pro 2018, and it was slower than my 2014 , I returned it... and will keep using my 2014
No recoverable storage? Why do they even bothering calling them "pro"?
pro-blematic
Marketing ... Make the sheep thinking that he buys a "high quality product".
@@Ryarralk did you just assume gender in 2018. *TRIGGERED*
Higher-end parts, and that's pretty much it. Yes, it's a joke, but my hatred is a little deeper for the Mac and iMac Pro. It feels like a hustle to sell professionals a machine that's either hardly upgradeable or simply not meant to be upgraded or serviced in any capacity.
If you're a pro and you're on the road and your machine breaks down, the last thing you want to worry about is your important data. You just want to buy a replacement machine and pop in the SSD from your broken machine.
Next video: liquid cooling the *2018* MacBook
Video after that: Liquid cooling- failed, next stop Antarctica ...?
I think you mean "Liquid *metal* cooling the 2018 macbook"
The Con d
well. if you cut the heat pipe and run continuous water through it, it would probably work.
I think he means liquid cooling like the macbook air they "liquid cool" before (water around the chasis)
Hey Linus! Just wanted to say that I have the 2018 13"MBP and highly recommend the "Mount-It" tilter laptop riser stand for it's stellar passive cooling and build quality. Thanks for the great (as always) vid!
Us creative folks sure appreciate the knowledge and insight of our techie pals! Cheers for this informative review.
"Pro" just means expensive for Apple
Are we talking about the same Apple? They don't need to put "pro" on it for them to charge way too much for it
Professional money spender haha
@@eddebois4158 let's say, MacBook, MacBook Air and iMac are expensive, but when you put the "Pro" after those words, it gets ridiculously expensive!
People R' Oblivious
Well this is perfect for Apple isn't it?
The "firmware fix" that isn't a firmware fix at all, ensures that nobody can conceivably run Windows on this thing. And the constant near 100 degrees on the CPU under load ensures a nice and short lifetime so they can make money off ludicrously expensive repairs or new devices.
Except there will be no repairs for this device since everything soldered onto the board. People WILL have to buy new devices if their old ones meet their end.
Isheeps will be happy to give more money to mama Apple
No, Apple will still repair it. They don't have to buy a new machine.
steven4570 After what, 3 years, when the heat grilled the machine...you might as well get a new one. Because a completely new board is probably not a smart choice, financially, in those circumstances.
Not exactly sure how thats different than anything else. An i9 in anything other than thick, heavy "aptops" with the big heatsinks will hit 90C under load
I have a 2018 Macbook pro and after seeing your water cooled Macbook video i have been playing with the idea of trying to cool my Macbook Pro so it can perform longer at fast speeds. My first idea was to try to force more air though, that proved to be more difficult than expected. Now i am debating putting some thermal pads on top of the cpu heat sink to transfer some heat to the case, then put a thin heat sink on the bottom of the computer. Let me know your thoughts. I already have taller rubber feet on my computer to allow a little more air flow and also a bit of room if i decide to add a heatsink.
To be honest, I don't mind a slightly thicker machine with a more varied selection of I/O. I'd like some USB 3.0 Type-A connectors (two at least).
Well anything thicker than that model of MacBook would’ve caused bankruptcy
Just download better cooling
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) There’s an app for that.
You can download a 1080 Ti too
James Cruz Can i download a girlfriend? pls
@@ExcedereInInfinitum sure you can only need 10k usd for that addon
Can I get the link?
Watercool it take out that PCB and try to hit 4.8 GHz
Hell yeah !
@TheGengarGaming12 well I just want to see the experiment , I'm not an idiot to buy a MacBook !
@TheGengarGaming12 "take out the motherboard"
Meaning: making a custom water cooler to cool the motherboard outside the laptop
@TheGengarGaming12 you're right...
_we need liquid nitrogen_
I don't think it would leak, I don't think blocks break that easily.
also h e c c y o t e liquid n2 would be awesome
This is a good video. It brought up points I didn't know other manufacturers had thermal problems (prob because i'm kinda a normie). I personally think Apple need to make the MacBook Pros a bit thicker. Not a ton thicker, like 2012-2015 thick (Which is not a lot). I mean, there wasn't really any major problems (that I know of at least) with the older ones. The keyboards worked, and at least the ssd was modular. I had to upgrade in 2017 because my older one which was my daily driver at the time broke, and after thinking I got the 2015 instead of the 2017. I did this because it was cheaper, more useful (had built in usb a, no dongles), about the same specs, and had MagSafe. Anyways, just my opinion.
I used to love Macs but after Steve Jobs passed away there have been some unusual design features, that just don't make a lot of sense , from a consumer point of view. I really don't like having to search for a "Dongle" when trying to use a usb drive etc..
Im just happy that i can cook my eggs while i work
Implying you'll have lunch after working or that you bought the overpriced MacBook to save on condoms?
yes
When these MacBook pros were announced in October 2016, I was watching the keynote with my checkbook open. I had a 27" iMac, a MacBook Pro, and an iPhone (and had owned almost every version of the iPhone since waiting in line on launch day for the first iPhone), and was excited about finally replacing my aging but awesome MacBook Pro. (I'm a developer and a power user.) Flash forward to today.... I have a custom Windows desktop, an Asus laptop, and a Samsung phone. For me, this device was the signal that Apple had lost touch with it's power users.
At the same time - Microsoft under Nadella started showing true technology leadership, and Linux Subsystem for Windows made all of my work possible on a Windows laptop for the first time. I transitioned slowly at first, and then realized everything was fine with Windows.
Apple is now a consumer-brand more than ever. I mourn for the loss, because I loved the experience of Apple products during the "golden years", but they've been making some bad decisions in the last 5-or-so years, and IMO they've lost their touch.
they lost Steve Jobs, and by association their entire marketing department
Let's face it, the iPhone is really the only thing keep them alive. Just like Sony who had to sell off multiple of its own brands, and is now just relying on PlayStation.
exactly
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew Agreee
I've only used windows ever and I really don't like windows 10. I'd rather use Macos if it weren't for the expensive products
Heya- aweome video! Was just doing some research before buying the Macbook Pro 2018, as I do mostly Photo and Video Editing, I believe this is a good upgrade form my current 2012 model. How would you recommend keeping the laptop cool? And protecting it from data loss?
I completely agree, I have a late 2017 model and even that thermal throttles quite badly on light to mid gaming or video rendering. It's especially bad on a warmer day if I'm not using the A/C.
i dont quite understand why making the product a little bit bigger is such a no go and why "Professional Products" have to look like they are straight from heaven. My customers dont really care at all how fancy my laptop looks like and neither do i. Workstations just have to WORK fast without having any trouble an LAST as long as possible.
but yo, we apple, we think different, yo, buy our fruits cuz theyre cool, u see, every cool guy has an iApple something lol u poor if u dont have one
Here's a secret, it's not really meant for professionals. Professionals use Windows machines. "Pro" is just a code word for expensive. It's really just a way for technology illiterate hipsters and frat/srat stars to dick swing while blogging or neurotically checking Facebook.
Because to them. They WANT you do buy another laptop every year or even every 6 months....if they last. how will they make suck more money from you?
< the ultra professionals use linux ^^
Not all customers are tech savvy, in fact small of them are. Most of them gives too much fucks about the badge. I mean look at all those views/likes on booty shots pics in Instagram that includes some kind of luxurious clothing's products
That soldered SSD is IDIOTIC. Me and a friend have the same MacBook Air 13", he spilled beer on his a few years back and we were able to pull the SSD and swap it into mine to backup the data, after that we were also able to fix the logic board.
Yeah ok, but then how would they make billions o' dollars? ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
It's not IDIOTIC if you understand in the first place that Apple in itself is a IDIOTIC company that sells overpriced products and a monopolium in its manipulation and accessories, not worth it
it's rather quite smart if you ask me. apple is a company and companies need to maximize profit.
Incorrectomondo. USA has the reputation for capitalism (blame murica!) but facts to the table, everyone does it, always did and always will. What really matters is the profit. And it's okay, it's thanks to capitalist profit that we have all these technological marvels today.
Since the SSD is soldered to the board, apple can charge big bucks for data recovery.
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Very well crafted presentation. I definitely agree. Guys like you lead the charge against “form before function” discussions. Cheers Linus.
You mentioned that other laptop makers were doing similar crap like this, I used to have a Dell 2 in one laptop that ran its fan at full speed constantly when I was playing games on it. I ended up taking off the bottom panel and setting it bottom up. (I had it hooked up to my TV via HDMI) It helped a lot.
This years i9 vs this years midrange i7 is a more interesting comparison imo, the two extra cores keep the 2018s mostly above all previous, but the real question is if the i9 is any better than the midrange i7 in the same thermal envelope (in most tests, it's not worth it).
I bought the i7.
Yeah I'm wondering that. Everyone says the i9 throttles but does that mean get the i7? I curious about the same issue with the xps 15
If you check out Max's video the conclusion is pretty much yeah, get the mid range i7, the i9 usually throttles to within a hundred MHz of it (which is nothing).
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The i9 would be useful for bursts of speed. When your doing intensive stuff for a few minutes, the i9 will be there, but it won’t be thermal throttling because it doesn’t have the time to heat up.
Afaik the i9 thermal throttles within a minute once you hit it with a full load.
Lol that one guy in the chat called that they would remove the power gadget utility.
namely Rodrigo Flores. XD
Wow, that's a really good review. I am very impressed. Thanks!
I'm gonna be honest I haven't yet experienced any throttling or other problems on my 2018 MacBook Pro. I really do like what it's done for me so far (though I swapped to it from a really worn-down 2012 Retina model)
I was so waiting for "This video is sponsored by The Rossmann Group. Don't delay"....LOL
buy today
It should've been :D
The man does great work and his prices are pretty reasonable for the repairs he's doing. He should sponsor a video but I don't think he has the cash (or would get the benifits) -not alot of Apple users here.
I9 in laptop is only possible with a proper thermal management, ie= bigger fatter laptops!
even rog zephyrus with such great cooling system couldn't put an i9 in...
Enter the Helios 500
Hi Linus what are you using to film? Hardware and software and editing please. Also what lighting please ???
But yea, my opinion to this is, if manufacturers use high performance components, at least use cooling that can keep the temps optimal for best operation and durability of the components even if you compromise on the thickness of the device.
This is why I went with the GT Line of MSI laptops instead of the much thinner GS/GE/GP or whatever they have.
Have a max temp of 80°C with no thermal throttling and cool and comfortable temperatures around the keyboard area, perfect for longer gaming sessions.
Sorry if that almost sound like I’m advertising MSI here but I’m just talking about the experience I made because I always hear people talk about their notebook thermal throttling when they chosed one with a thin design.
I am actually kinda amazed at how shitty this thing is
It's not the worst expensive product on the market, though I get your point. I think they need to reengineer their cooling, as well as upgrade the GPU by at least one tier, and maybe stop using AMD's shit. Nvidia's cards are much more efficient, I've found. (two systems, with similar performance, i3 8100, 8GB RAM, GTX 1060 6GB > same system except with RX580.) The RX580 got lower FPS in most of the games that I play, while drawing more power (I think it was about 40w, which is not super significant, but it's AMD's highest end non Vega card, vs a no longer current NVidia mid tier GPU)
If you want a shitty product, go take a look at the iMac Pro (I would assume you already have though)
i think the ram deal is bs, like how they couldnt fit a headphone jack into their iphone
But the sheep will keep buying it!
..somehow?
I really don't recommend apple to people, I don't know if they really do plan this stuff or they just legit make stupid moves like omitting headphone jacks.
I’m not. And that’s coming from a Mac user.
Me: watching LTT videos is making me hungry! *Gets my Macbook Pro 2018* time to cook some egg!
I agree. I need this fix or better. I have the 2018 MacBook pro. but falls short of the recall. my laptop gets red-hot and sometimes crashes when the environment gets hot.
They can certainly find a good balance between thinness and performance/longevity, and then they can market based on that, and people would appreciate it. They'd also appreciate being able to swap basic components *on a professional machine.*
This Macbook is an insult to Information Technology. No recoverable storage, heats up to 97°C... on a professional computer ?
Alpha Grisby Fahrenheit mate!
No Celcius actually. Like stated in the video.
Wtf
@Mark Van Rossum 99c overnight ?
oh boi
@@tantrinh3099
LMG is Canadian you dumbfuck.
I sure as hell wouldnt be happy seeing my CPU hit 90+ degrees whenever I wanna do something with it...
My old Lenovo W530 manages to keep an i7 3940xm running at 3.8ghz and an overclocked K2000M under load cooler with only a single fan that's filled with dust ( 92*C on the highest core) than the mac does with no load, a modern processor that runs cooler on average (in computers that are properly built), and dual fans. C'mon apple.
adec avdic I just got a I7 8550u 8 thread laptop and undervolted the cpu and gpu by -0.1V and the temps are around 55c when stress testing. Ofcourse Cinebench scores just 700 points. But still 42c cooler. 😂
To be fair, I don't think most tasks are demanding enough to push the CPU to those temps, unless that's a typical workload for you.
It's a Macbook Pro. Meant for professionals who require high performance. If you're buying this crap to type word documents, you might as well burn money.
The machine is a joke but I think every pro user should know it’s not designed for continuous high work load. For apples defense, my 2006 MacBook intel core 2 duo was frequently hitting 105 C and lasted 10 years for me
Still using my 2015 MacBook Pro - three years later the keyboard works flawlessly, I have (and use) all the ports and the touch pad is the right size. I have absolutely no interest in a 2016, 2017 or 2018 MBP - especially with that faulty keyboard - there's absolutely no way I'd spend my money on that.
you literally got me on 0:38 lol I expected something to eat or so
Just not Worth buying :(
Any other laptop at this price point is more worth buying, and if the mac breakes you have to pay nearly the retail price
waiting for the fanboys to say that macs are the best for programming and graphic editing
COMMERCIALISM COMMERCIALISM COMMERCIALISM COMMERCIALISM COMMERCIALISM COMMERCIALISM COMMERCIALISM
tbf macs are sexy af
I have a Macbook Pro 2015 and I would buy an MSI gaming laptop for $2k if I had the money. Macs are not the best but they are pretty good. I haven't used their new butterfly mechanism keyboard so I don't know if that makes it better.
The only reason I want a MBP is because my boss pays for it; and it runs OSX. If it were my own money I would want the Dell XPS because you get more hardware for just over half the price (but with a 4k screen and a wider ports selection). Apple used to have MARKETING at the 2nd place in their list of priorities, TECH came first. The first amazing touch screens, the first amazing fingerprint reader, the whole iPod lineup was magnificent and changed the world for MP3's.
But now? The touch bar that nobody really needs? It's more of a hindrance. And it costs us a lot of money. Crappy key switches shouldn't pass quality control. MagSafe was AMAZING and everybody loved it and they removed it... for USB-C... so they can sell dongles... to make the marketing staff happy.
Apple is out of touch, it's as simple as that. Appeasing the investors and forgetting their clients. The SECOND Microsoft makes W10 have a reliable UI and makes it work effortlessly with a Unix subsystem I'll switch without ever looking back. I'm a programmer and I hate the Windows environment for developing software, but I really really want OUT of the Apple ecosystem. The iPhones are ridiculously expensive too nowadays, unless I opt for a "cheap" version which is still more expensive (in price alone) than most Android flagships... And remember the fingerprint ID thing that Apple did amazingly well? Just like the MagSafe: Everybody loved it! So they removed that on the iPhone X because now they want to reduce the user experience again for who knows what reason.
I'm in the minority I guess. But they're going to meet their end in a couple of years if they stop innovating and continue overpricing their products. The Indian and Chinese and Korean companies are already there, ready to take over. And I want them to. If Dell can make a better specced XPS laptop for about half the price of an Apple MBP, then I'm just wondering what some Indian company could whip up. Bring it on, I say. I'm done with Apple and my iPhone 7 is my last iPhone.
What kind of Indian company?may I know it's name?
mahadevovnl Consider Linux. Not the consumer versions like RedHat or Ubuntu, but the developer focused ones like Debian or Gentoo. I haven't tried their development user interfaces lately, but they all include the same clang compiler Apple uses, tons of libraries and full source for everything in case there's anything missing in the docs. Support is by devs not callcenter monkies.
Did you say indian company? I mean i cant remember any even though i am in india . ! Yes apple has its mistakes but u can’t disagree that the tech is top notch and macs last longer than any dell laptops.
Gowtham V I have a dell inspiron 2600 that still works and is good enough to emulate N64. Not too bad for a dell from 2001. Another solid laptop is the Toshiba Satellite. A real shame they took those put of production. I have had the same Satellite for around 5 years. Apple computers are usually obsolete in that time but my Tosh keeps going no matter what i throw at it.
MagSafe was great, but I find it really funny that there are people that love to rant about Apple using proprietary connectors, and now that they've switched to USB-C, people are moaning about the loss of the proprietary connectors.
USB-C is absolutely the future. If you can't see why it's 100% consistent with well over a decade of Apple history to transition over fully and remove all legacy ports, there's probably not much I can say to show you why it's the case. They want people to see a Mac and marvel at how clean a design it is only needing one port type for every type of wired connection. The third-party Apple accessory market is absolutely massive, and the only way to force a drastic redesign of existing products is to eliminate the legacy connection. They want the USB-C dream, where that single connector can be used to connect anything and everything. To charge, to connect a display, to attach wired peripherals or external storage. No fiddling trying to find the right connector, or looking for that specific cable for the device you want, you can just plug it into whatever port you want.
Yes, this is actually the same reason why they went and pulled the headphone jack from the iPhone. Apple wants their ecosystem moving towards as few cables and ports as possible. Cables are relics of the past, universal connectors with USB-C are a necessary evil until the time comes when wireless tech advances to the point where they can comfortably eliminate those as well. When the iPhone 7 was released, the market for wireless headphones was abysmally small, and manufacturers were almost universally ignoring it because nobody wanted them. So what do you do if you want to get those manufacturers to get off their asses and start producing the products you want to see? Well, you take away the port and suddenly they've got millions and millions of iPhone owners hungry for new, better wireless headphones.
Running Matlab from mathworks creates thermal spikes even under no load. In other subject, Have you notice for a few years now, the keyboard on MacBook Pro devices damage the anti-reflecting coating due to the physical contact that takes place when the machine is closed?
Im going into engineering in the fall, is MacBook pro not ideal for softwares such as matlab?
I honestly don't think Apple is concerned with losing the 'Pro' market.
Do the people that dislike the video within the first 5 minutes really subscribe and put on notifications just to dislike the video?😂😂
Do the people that like the video within the first 5 minutes really subscribe and put on notifications just to like the video?😂😂
Do the people who remain neutral about the video within the first 5 mins really subscribe and put on notifications just to remain neutral about the video?😂😂
They do it because they are linus fans but can't handle anything Apple
Because you don't have to agree with everything someone belives to subscribe to them
I used to dislike these shitty titles but I gave up after a few months. Maybe some people are still at it though.
and people like Austin Evans and Jonathan Morrison continues to be biased about such an obvious mistake on apples behalf. Some reviewers just wont believe their god has flaws...
LiuProduction they are sellouts what do you expect
Sheep
All sheep, they're part of the same company.
I mean I agree, apples turning to shit, but you cant tell me that some of these techie youtubers are blatantly anti-apple biased. Even if a product isn’t that bad. Guys like these have a REALLY hard time telling you.
Does Apple pays them to say good stuff?
Appreciate your input!!! Will stick to my old 2014 mac pro for now XD
Nice work keep up the honest work.
7:17 RIP, the 8750H can pass 1200 points in Cinebench without throttling, so still getting less than an i7 there :/ wonder if it's just due to the difference between windows / macos performance.
it's 8950HK, tho
@Khang yeah it is, it's an i9 and it's slower than an unthrottled i7. That was my point.
Remove features win 8 and win 10 have,you will get same results,windows is better OS overall,specially for people that want to play games as well besides doing something else,no one cares for OS X besides some snowflakes that want to be different.
EyefyourGf or people who use Final Cut Pro X that’s the only reason why I use Mac I can’t even game on it that’s why I still use my Customized XPS 15.
Hardly a reason to justify using Mac,there's ton of video editing software,that professional's use on win machines,but i don't judge,if that's something that works for you,i'm cool with it.
What about the new 13" macbook pro lineup tho? Are they viable enough for an upgrade from last year's macbook pro?
What do you think the best laptop for music production would be??? Thanks! Subscribed!
What would be te best apple macbook pro, that you can still upgrade ssd or ram... Shouln'd they built it a little more high? To enable m2 ssd replacement?
Apple's losing it. They've basically given up on their prosumer customer base and only care about casual users now.
They know who their target audience is. I'm sure they've figured out long before you and I they'd lose out with prosumers. Moving away from upgradability and end user support is a huge kick in the ass to anyone dishing out top spec money. High maintenance white girls ain't giving it up, so they gotta get fucked some kinda way. Haha
@@SuperOpus1 Apple has always sucked... The walled garden approach is shit.
Their target is basically the same ecosystem starbucks lovers. It's just the Apple logo brand and nothing else. Their laptop products are awful to say the least. In Canada it's $3,100 for a Macbook that carries the Radeon Pro 555x shitty low end GPU card. What a joke.
the desire for exclusivity by eliminating any possibility of 3rd party support is their business model. they rather cater to the rich/casual user base who will purchase a new pc every 2~ years. they do not want their products to have longevity
Nimo Kali, never been to starbucks. I have a 8700 980 ti gaming pc, yet still use my Macbook Pro for music production. It’s not because you don’t like their products that other people don’t.. Many people in the music industry use mac because it is more reliable and has aggregated audio drivers compared to windows. I find it incredibly funny that there is people like you who somehow want to express your opinion on a video about mac, while you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. That’s also why many people, like me, would never take your opinion seriously.
It wouldn't be a mac-book without wasting customers money on thermal throttling.
May as well put a lower end CPU in.
I love when James and linus said "hey siri" my iPhone siri legit responds lolol
I worked for a big nationally known company whose policy was to save the HDD or SSD in a safe whenever an employee was terminated and getting a new drive to replace it with to use the machine for another user. I can say confidently that the company I worked for will never ever buy a 2018 MacBook Pro primarily because the SSD is soldered on the board. That’s so stupid.
my how times change... Today is a far cry from the past. In 2000, I spent $4000 on hardware, software, and accessories, on a tricked out Blue and White G3. I was able to upgrade the CPU twice, once to a 1 GHz G3, and again to a similarly clocked G4. I initially had 128 MB of RAM, but was able to max out it's RAM to 1 GB... Not much by todays standards, but back then, not bad. I had a 12 GB hard drive, that I upgraded to 120 GB, then I eventually added four 250 GB drives, using a PCI expansion card and some custom mounting hardware. Eventually, I replaced one of those with a 750 GB drive. I swapped the modem with a serial module, so I could use my old TI graph link cable, and chip programmer cables. It was a nice, expandable computer, with an easy open chassis, and I loved it.
The last Mac I bought was the G5. I bought it at a bad time. Apple had already made the transition to Intel, and it was all I could afford. I quickly saw how rapidly they dropped support for the Power PC equipped models, and I was stuck in a stagnant doldrums for years. The economy took a downturn and I simply couldn't afford a new computer anymore. I suffered and struggled on that out of date, obsolete, and unloved machine till 2013. I was seeing new income. It was time to buy a new machine. I was actually impressed with some of the 2010 and on Mac Pros, and hoped to get a used one when the used prices came down, after their 2013 Pro was announced... And then we learned it was rubbish... A literal trash bin. Those old expandable 2010s never dropped in price, cause they were too sought after.
It was by my luck that the Hackintosh scene had developed much simpler to use tools, and the process was decidedly easier. I ended up building a 3770K based Quad core i7 Hackintosh. It had 18 TB of storage, all migrated over from my G5. It had 16 GB of RAM, and by reusing parts, salvaging, and buying new only what I needed to, I spent a measly $630 to get it up and running! I couldn't have settled on a Mac Mini for that price! I soon spent $50 on a used Radeon HD 5770, and later some $400 on a GTX 980ti. I doubled my RAM, maxing out at 32 GB. I've since upped my storage to over 23 TB, with 1.24 TB of space bing across a pair of SSDs, one for Mac OS, and one for Windows. I'd like to upgrade my core system soon. A new CPU, mobo, and RAM will do wonders, though the hardware, despite being 5 years old, is still holding it's own.
Until Apple changes it's ways... and it's not gonna... I won't buy from them again. Apple has lost their way.
The perfect "PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE" laptop. Since SSDs have a limited lifetime either by usage hours or data written. Also Apple will not sell you the motherboard if yours dies, but your motherboard in this case also contains your Hard Drive, what could be considered a liability in some companies, so if your Ram fails, a sensor fails, the CPU fails, the USB ports fail, the battery connector fails, the motherboard warps because the I9 is running at 98 degrees under load, your company data is going to go to Apple untouched just because you can not remove your hard drive? and they are going to keep it in order to replace your board? This is too much of a problem for a lot of companies that take security and privacy seriously, I have seen them physically destroy Hard drives and SSDs before even disposing of a laptop or a tower, those drives will never leave the company.
Modern SSDs(high end ofc) have 300+ TBW and 1.5 Million Hours Reliability.And if you have enough free space on that SSD that 300 TBW can go up to a couple of Petabytes untill it dies. So in the real world SSDs(sata or NVME) are going to last more than the other hardware.
1.5 Million Hours are 170 years, I am pretty sure you made that number up. But nonetheless the SSDs lifetime will exceed the laptops in any way... Soldering it in is still retarded.
You're wrong actually. The calculated lifespan of a Samsung 850 PRO 1TB SSD is 343 years with typical use. Do some research before telling someone they are wrong. This is why many SSD's like Samsung 850 PRO have a 10 year warranty. They know it will last.
If it can run for 340+ years with typical use, why not give it a lifetime warranty ;) Or 30 year warranty? 10 years is a long time, for sure. Longer than most other SSDs. My old Intel SSD with 250 gb came with 5 years, which for me was a big selling point because I wasn't sure about SSD tech at the time xD
This is the correct answer - regardless if a drive will last or not. If you take privacy or security seriously.... your data being soldered on is bad juju. PERIOD
LTT has officially taken over my youtube feed. Bless you Linus!
useful reminder to user preparing to get a new mac book pro!! thanks so much
reviewers need to give negative reviews to any laptop trying to go thinner at this point, no one asked for ridiculously thin laptops with no room for a bloody usb port, its not just the MacBook, even the xps 13 is doing the same crap, seriously give me 20mm thick laptop with a decent key travel and legacy ports . no one likes the bloody dongle life
Totally with you, I have a Dell workstation laptop, which performs amazing with almost anything i can throw at it (eg streaming hd video, uploading to a personal server, airflow simulations, and running Space Engineers at max settings, all simultaneously) with little noise, and stays well below the macbook's 97 degrees. and it has displayport, 10gig ethernet, 4x usb3.1 ports, hdmi, thunderbolt, and a headphone jack. 180W power brick, but thats a small price to pay, and its cheaper than a macbook pro!
What I want to know is who the fuck asked for an i9 in a laptop?
Exactly.
@@onemangeeksqaud which model is it? I think I'll get one of them.
Obviously I'm lying. I can't afford shit.
Laptop whole aim is to be portable in the first place
Ultra slim laptops will NEVER be able to perform as well as a laptop with a little more room for a full-featured cooling solution. The whole idea that EVERYTHING should be thinner is nonsense. A "pro" product ought to focus on performance and connectivity, NOT being the thinnest or lightest solution. As the owner of a 2016 MacBook Pro I was DISAPPOINTED with my purchase in terms of practicality and performance (truthfully I was ripped off and should have just spent around half the money on a modestly-specced ASUS gaming laptop). The 2007 MacBook Pro I used before was a clear example of what a professional product should have been in its day (hideously hot running tendencies and reputation for GPU failures *glares at NVidia* aside)... For a ~£1500 starting price a discrete GPU shouldn't be in question. The i9 edition should be built in an updated version of the 2008-on chassis complete with not only the Thunderbolt 3 ports but ALSO including the basics such as at least 2x USB 3.1 'A' ports and an Ethernet socket. It should also go without saying that a product in this price range should also be repairable. Apple have been design-led for years, however 5 years on from the introduction of the "trash can" Mac Pro it is apparent that the same company who brought us products such as the EXCELLENT pre-2013 Mac Pro and the XServe has become so completely overrun with a form-over-function mentality that I'm less and less likely to continue to invest in Apple products.
yeah but by apple's standards everything does have to be thin and slim and techy, that's just where it stands right now. their religious fans keep buying into it and they are a big % of their customers so I don't see it changing anytime soon. The only fair reason that I see for buying Apple computers is running certain Mac OS software (Logic Pro is unrivaled tbh). but otherwise just buy a normal Windows laptop for half the price and you'll even be able to run games on it.
Well Dave, you are right. But there's one problem... You are a rational consumer. You care for what's best for you, which is performance > aesthetics. 80% of Apple's users are fanboys or mindless sheeple that are sucked into the Apple ecosystem and cannot, or simply won't get out. If they sold a 3-gen old phone and said it was the future, they would buy it. Thank God we have people like you. :D
Yes, I tried Logic on hackintosh first and it was the only thing that actually pushed me to buy the MBP. I like Logic better in terms of stability and resource usage, plus there are not many ways to do things so it helps much more with productivity. But indeed thats the point I was trying to make. Logic, Final cut and the likes.
Even in terms of DAW software it’s very much a question of what you do with it; ProTools is fantastic in an environment focused on traditional recording but loses serious ground when working with loops and AUs. Cubase has always been a perfectly good option but seems to be a very hard sell for a good number of people I work with (which if I’m honest is really the only thing stopping me from getting rid of the Mac). Next step is an eGPU and Bootcamp I think... hopefully that’ll go some way to making it a worthwhile purchase!
Dave Awesome synopsis and I was thinking the same why they have to mess with what already works and just go from there.👍
also i had to replace it the first day i got it because it was running hot. And what was sad was that i was just running garage band. it kept crashing. i didn't understand why . like it was running hot hot
Would you then say that the MacBook Pro with i7 is a better option than latest and greatest i9? I been considering upgrading my 2013 MacBook air
the "thinner and lighter"craze was initiated long ago but significant consumer demand died out around the time intel's first "core I#" cpu's came out as most need for thinner and lighter at that point became efficiency and no longer required smaller designs only better thermal and power systems the problem now is that most manufacturers seem to have stopped listening at exactly the point of the first core I# cpu's and assume that we still wanted smaller and lighter devices (yes a less than 1lb device is nice but give me a 20-30lb laptop for my real gaming and work with 75% of that weight as cooling) we only complain to apple about this yet every oem seems to do this the time of thinner and lighter died 10 years ago now we must focus 100% on making the hardware we have perform to spec (cooling) or beyond (overkill cooling to promote full turbo speeds)
the core i9 is poorly implemented in almost every current laptop except for the Alienware 17 and the larger Asus ROG laptop. Apple shouldn't have stuck it into their 15 with no updated thermals. The update to the 13 inch though is very refreshing and probably the fasted 13 inch laptop I have had the pleasure of using.
I thought the oven going off was an old Dell prebuilt of mine shitting itself.
Just got my first MacBook Pro for my RUclips channel and just used your code for dbrand to get my covers and got one for my phone too! Thnx it’s good quality cuz they are nice 👍🏾
I am an Apple user, I have always been a fan. But for the last couple of years, I completely disagree with their philosophy of every edition of a newer machine having to be much thinner instead of actually improving and upgrading the machine with adequate components and cooling. I mean my gosh, the 2012 or so version of the MacBook Pro WAS PLENTY THIN. I would much rather it be that size, and have plenty of cooling and be SSD and RAM upgradable. My dad bought a HP convertible (detachable) laptop where the screen comes off and all of the components are actually in the screen area which has NO FANS OR COOLING WHATSOEVER and from being left in his car for an hour or so in a briefcase the laptop completely fried the display and CPU. Absolutely ridiculous that was like $700-$800 professional use laptop... So it’s not just Apple. The whole thing is just silly. With the technology we have now these machines can only be so thin. Most people would agree that performance, cooling, reliability and upgradability is more important than size.
Is that the HP-Elite x2?
Hunter Parleir couldn’t agree more. what is it with this absurd pursuit of thinness? even the old macbooks are perfectly fine. i guess because the customers demography right now simply demanding laptops to be thinner and thinner, and now the industry is pushing beyond what they’re capable of, simply to get that thin and powerful title while sacrificing usability. what a stupid “trend”
When it comes to your dad.. treat electronics like shit and they break, your point?
Howard Lam No it’s the HP Split X2 I believe.
David Folsom What the hell is the supposed to mean? Obviously that’s true. Who said it was treated like shit? I said it was left in a briefcase in his car for an hour...
Playing on a toaster gets an entirely new meaning....
Battery swells eminent.
Spilled my coffee laughing!
my macbook is def a video toaster
Nick Sande your mom
I still have my mid-2012 MBP Retina, in which I did have to replace the keyboard and top case due to a few keys failing earlier this year... past that, though, it still runs flawlessly. I bought a 2017 MBP 15" Touchbar around that time as well and honestly for some things the 2012 is actually a better/faster machine. I'm probably going to offload the 2017 model at some point if and when they re-engineer things again, even though I have no major complaints. My luck with Apple products and their service has generally been positive.
Here in Canada, jumping up to the i9 is almost $500 more. I decided to go for the top-spec non-custom build ( i7/500GB HD/16GB RAM) because if I have any problems under warranty, a replacement machine is readily available in-store.
I have 2016 MBP TB 15 inches. I have a few but very uncomfortable problems:
1. Bluish spots on my screen
2. Strange clicks after some load. I think that this sound is caused by board deformation which was caused by high cpu temps (10-12 hours on max load)
Take it to apple and get a free replacement then
@@eliahd20 i dont think apple works that way
My Mac has those clicks, but you can just go to the apple store and get it replaced
I hope someday soon they will announce replacement program and I will be able to do it. Right now my 1 year limited warranty is expired. It is worth to note that i live in Russia and we don’t have official apple store here. Apple products are officially serviced through their partners and it is possible to get free replacement in warranty period only. Otherwise screen replacement costs around 700$
Iva had those clicks as well even after like waking up or start up or when I open the lid and it hasn’t really affected anything so if you’re tight on money you’re good
How to know when get a new laptop:
When your $1000 MacBook Air takes an hour+ to render a 5min video at 1080p...
You're supposed to have a coffee in starbucks in a meantime. It's a rule of hipsta.
exactly, waste money on your computer and your average tasting overpriced coffee.
try a non mac pc next time. apple.. just isn't measuring up..
Gotta stay hipsta compliant
Id rather a $1000 macbook Air then a $1000 surface pro
Did you recommended for Mac Book Pro and what model, spec , for video editing user. Tks for yr feedback
So what's the best laptop for video and photo editing?
Said it before and will say it again; a video on laptop undervolting would be really interesting! Really improved my experience with the Blade 2017 and could see it being something that might produce interesting results on this too!
LETS GOOO RAZER!!
So apple has learned nothing from its iphone or older Mac pro generations. Chips burn out, repeated stress bends, graphics card temperature problems. The same old problems returning and now they are cutting off known good solutions like the data recovery port. This forces people to replace their technology, sue or as said in the video go to a tech store willing to work on the board. The last one is less of an option given the novelty of the design and prospective shortage of donor boards and chip availability.
And according to apple if you get third party repairs you turn the mac into a pc
Alex C You can't learn anything without making mistakes. And by that I mean, blame their incredibly ignorant customers who despite all the horrible flaws in their products, keep buying Apple because they think it's prestigious or whatever. It's dumb, and for the same reason people buy overpriced clothes just because it says "Supreme" on them.
people greetings i have a macbook pro 2012 and i am very happy , i used for design and video editing ,do you recommend me to upgrade to a 2015 or some
I'm due for a new MacBook Pro but I have decided to wait until 2020 to see if Apple listen to its customer and come out with a computer that is worthy of its cost and its origin.
If they don’t meet your tastes, I’d say you should switch, and give Windows a try (Linux as well)
Apparently a new 16-inch MBP will be out in the next year or two. Let's hope they beef it up a bit and ditch that problematic butterfly keyboard. The ultra-thin display ribbon cables are problematic, too. And the only way to fix either is complete replacement.
Unfortunately, this trend in electronics is not new; it's been evident since the late 1980s. Before then, if your computer or disk drive or TV broke, you could actually get it fixed. Has anyone here ever heard of aligning a disc drive? Or replacing a picture tube? Not very recently, because since the 90s the philosophy has been that if the thing breaks, you just buy a new one. It's the same with car engines-if your head gasket goes, it's almost cheaper to buy a new motor.
This being a trend of long standing, it's not surprising that companies are making products that are literally unrepairable.
They are fixing the keyboard now
I desperately needed a new Macbook Pro in 2018 so I went with a decent spec MBP'18 like in this video, and I'm not unhappy but DAMN am I looking forward to getting either the current (new) 16" or whatever next iteration of the 16" is. They really fixed a lot of shit that has been subpar on MacBook Pros for a couple of years.
Look, I don't care if my ram is soldered onto the logic board, in a laptop with that formfactor, i feel like the device wont be supported at all anymore by the time you need more than 32gb of ram, but a soldered on ssd seems somewhat stupid, that makes data recovery so much more difficult when your drive is literally stuck to a device that may not be functioning anymore!
They've been designing computers this way for three decades. The Apple 3 had no cooling, so the board would warp and the chips would pop out of their sockets. Apple's tech support fix? "Have you tried dropping it?"
I don't understand why people buy Apple products.
People are saying Apple is going downhill because Jobs died. But the irony is, Steve Jobs himself is 100% to blame for that horrible design on the Apple 3.
The Garden of Eatin if I remember Jobs hated Fans ~ (the fan noise) so the old macs had huge Heatsinks just so you wouldn’t hear fans with you’re Mac .
Steve jobs hated fans. That's why the G4 Cube overheated.
Fans aren't a bad thing, fans running higher than 800 RPM, I hate them too. That's why I am building the most overkill water cooling system I've ever done just so I can have 3+ timed the fans I need and run them at
enjoy the pump noise instead =D
Do you guys recommend the i5, 8gb ram MacBook Pro? I’m just using it mainly for logic x & school. I have a 2011 that works fine but it’s not very fun carrying it everywhere. Is the upgrade worth it?
Ok I have had macs for ever. I need to edit the new GoPro 7 videos. What should I get instead of the map with Vega 20? What is close in the pc would thanks!