Jing Ling there isn’t anything wrong with it. It can snap ledge this guy wasn’t using it to where it would. He’s got to be at a certain depth and the player just wasn’t going low enough
The issue with cloud now is that he has lost almost everything to being a top tier character, i know some people rank him high tier but thats only people who was willing to put in the practise to use this character because people like mew2king, void, and many others rank him mid tier to even below average tier and it dissapoints me how much they messed up cloud i like how hes still usable however besides zero what other "good" competetive player would use cloud to take them to the top cloud is obly my main for a personal reason and he will stay as a main for the remainder of how long i choose to be competetive for i wouldnt say cloud is a bad character definitely good but lets be honest will he ever be a character that someone will take to a tourney and dominate i will have to say if i were to prefer smash4 cloud or smash ult cloud i would obviously prefer smash4 because though he was broken in doubles and even in singles he was still a character that most people in the community would prefer over either diddy or sheik if you didnt want to use either of them everyone has an opinion and mine is they shouldve made better buffs and nerfs when the patch was here
Idk man, sparg0 seems to have some pretty decent results with cloud. Cloud has good kill power, good frame data, great juggling, good out of shield options, and a nice projectile to help control neutral. Just because he's not his Smash 4 iteration doesn't mean that he's mid tier. He's still a great character like Marth and ZSS who are still great -- just not as great as they were in Smash 4
@@Chinpou_ spang0 is likely to drop cloud bc hes inconsistant. Cloud struggles to kill without limit. Cloud can be gimp by every char in the game. Cloud doesnt have a grab. Doesnt have practical follow up and the ones he has does not work on every character. Cloud def needs buffs
chinpou 。 yeah Spargo is trying to pick up a different character, I’ve seen him play some Pokémon trainer, and neutral b doesn’t help control neutral, that’s probably the worst projectile in the game, I honestly can’t think of one worse, even foxes lasers that don’t make you flench at all is way better, but I guess it’s better than no projectile at all, but yeah he’s definitely a mid tier because in like ZSS and Marth cloud gets gimp way to easy and gets destroyed you parrying, marth kinda does but not as much, bc his aerials are safer
Now the best player in the world is a Cloud main, and is also the best Cloud player there is in terms of results. Kola is also a very good Cloud player as well.
@RBG Warrior joker ain't op he pretty balanced the arsene mechanic gives him the kill power he lacks and doesn't even stay as long as it decreases faster if he gets hit in arsene mode
@RBG Warrior I've seen clouds get limit back 2 to 3 times in the same stock doesn't make him "bROkEn" again. In the case of bayo she had clear signs she was a different characters compared to others. And like I said joker struggles to kill without arsene so giving him that reward is justified plus most players are already adapting to rebel guard spams and joker players are getting punished for it not to mention if the move fails it's got 5 million years of lag.
Cloud is definitely not crap. Easily high tier. His recovery is a bit garbage and his limit has to be used wisely, as well as having limited kill options..BUT he does have a great neutral game. Insanely strong fair that can combo into jab, side b or down tilt. He can still juggle and keep people in the air. Bair is really strong, nd up B out of shield is insanely good.
Vishal menon agree but I don’t think you should go from sheik to a ganon mid fight. He also gets it faster than clouds limit and it lasts longer. Want to know what’s scarier than limit? Instead of dodging a b move you have to avoid the whole move set.
if they made regular up B ledge grab detection like limit up B then cloud would be such a better char
Agree
Cloud's up b is the reason I never chase anyone off stage.
You got your wish
Wolf sounds oddly younger and less menacing in japanese.
まさしさんがウルフ苦手なのと、ザクが上手いのが重なってしまうww
Does Masashi’s brother Aniki still play Smash? They were both Melee legends.
3戦目のザクレイやばすぎw
絶対に見てみたかったカード…
全てが見所
that airdodge read at 9:05
fix cloud recovery plz
Jing Ling infinite limit is what he needs
Jing Ling there isn’t anything wrong with it. It can snap ledge this guy wasn’t using it to where it would. He’s got to be at a certain depth and the player just wasn’t going low enough
Why did these two fight so early in bracket?
Oh wait... round robin. Never mind.
I just wanna know why they had to fight so early
256でやるべきカードじゃない
Can cloud's projectile 2-frame?
Human Man only if you B-reverse Limit bladebeam falling off the ledge. Regular blade beam does jack shit lmao
It hit‘s below the ledge so technically yes if the opponents ledgegrab isn‘t too low
復帰ミスしまくるお眠りザクレイ
復帰ミスではない
The results came back positive...
Zackray is my biological father
これザクさんプロコンでやってる
ゲームキューブじゃない
ザクレイ寝てんのか？復帰ミス多すぎ。それでも圧勝かよ。
タミスマ以外でもやってらしたかこの二人はww
このカードすこ
まさしクラウドがほぼ詰みカードだから見てて悲しくなるけど熱い
KSB決勝カードなのにこんなにはやく当たったの悲しいなぁ
The issue with cloud now is that he has lost almost everything to being a top tier character, i know some people rank him high tier but thats only people who was willing to put in the practise to use this character because people like mew2king, void, and many others rank him mid tier to even below average tier and it dissapoints me how much they messed up cloud i like how hes still usable however besides zero what other "good" competetive player would use cloud to take them to the top cloud is obly my main for a personal reason and he will stay as a main for the remainder of how long i choose to be competetive for i wouldnt say cloud is a bad character definitely good but lets be honest will he ever be a character that someone will take to a tourney and dominate i will have to say if i were to prefer smash4 cloud or smash ult cloud i would obviously prefer smash4 because though he was broken in doubles and even in singles he was still a character that most people in the community would prefer over either diddy or sheik if you didnt want to use either of them everyone has an opinion and mine is they shouldve made better buffs and nerfs when the patch was here
Idk man, sparg0 seems to have some pretty decent results with cloud. Cloud has good kill power, good frame data, great juggling, good out of shield options, and a nice projectile to help control neutral. Just because he's not his Smash 4 iteration doesn't mean that he's mid tier. He's still a great character like Marth and ZSS who are still great -- just not as great as they were in Smash 4
The voice inside my head ran out of breath reading this comment.
@@Chinpou_ spang0 is likely to drop cloud bc hes inconsistant. Cloud struggles to kill without limit. Cloud can be gimp by every char in the game. Cloud doesnt have a grab. Doesnt have practical follow up and the ones he has does not work on every character. Cloud def needs buffs
chinpou 。 yeah Spargo is trying to pick up a different character, I’ve seen him play some Pokémon trainer, and neutral b doesn’t help control neutral, that’s probably the worst projectile in the game, I honestly can’t think of one worse, even foxes lasers that don’t make you flench at all is way better, but I guess it’s better than no projectile at all, but yeah he’s definitely a mid tier because in like ZSS and Marth cloud gets gimp way to easy and gets destroyed you parrying, marth kinda does but not as much, bc his aerials are safer
Now the best player in the world is a Cloud main, and is also the best Cloud player there is in terms of results. Kola is also a very good Cloud player as well.
So stupid how Cloud is crap now.... Makes me so mad...
@RBG Warrior joker ain't op he pretty balanced the arsene mechanic gives him the kill power he lacks and doesn't even stay as long as it decreases faster if he gets hit in arsene mode
Bruh Cloud is not crap. Still good
@RBG Warrior I've seen clouds get limit back 2 to 3 times in the same stock doesn't make him "bROkEn" again. In the case of bayo she had clear signs she was a different characters compared to others. And like I said joker struggles to kill without arsene so giving him that reward is justified plus most players are already adapting to rebel guard spams and joker players are getting punished for it not to mention if the move fails it's got 5 million years of lag.
Cloud is definitely not crap. Easily high tier. His recovery is a bit garbage and his limit has to be used wisely, as well as having limited kill options..BUT he does have a great neutral game. Insanely strong fair that can combo into jab, side b or down tilt. He can still juggle and keep people in the air. Bair is really strong, nd up B out of shield is insanely good.
Vishal menon agree but I don’t think you should go from sheik to a ganon mid fight. He also gets it faster than clouds limit and it lasts longer. Want to know what’s scarier than limit? Instead of dodging a b move you have to avoid the whole move set.
Cloud sucks now it’s so sad
He doesn't suck at all. Do you think it is easy to fight against the #1 player in Japan?
Nah cloud is not good. Sure the player he's facing has something to do with it but he's bad regardless.
Cloud isn't that bad. It's nerfed quite alot compared to s4 but still good with its aerials and ground moves
Cloud doesn't suck. Lmfao
Cloud is not bad... until he is offstage.