Humans don't list themselves as invasive because they just don't like being called invasive but in my opinion I think we are invasive we thrive in a new habitat we have never been too and adapt super quick so I do think humans are invasive
There's certainly some evidence that may be true! But I actually wondered about that and wound up making a video exploring whether the pandemic was actually "good" for nature or not 🤔
I also consider anything that finds itself in another area and becomes naturalized in the area nature... it’s how our world worlds... adaptation and all that..
But all species ancestors are "invasive species" at one point in time. Frederic Clements Ideology of nature being a Climax and fixed is old and outdated which is the majority of peoples belief towards nature. I prefer Henry Gleason view of nature always being in flux which is far more truthful to how the real world works
Being philosophical here I would propose that invasive is a human concept and if we were to encounter a larger predominant species with a higher intelligence and a more advanced state of existence then we would not label ourselves as invasive, but this other species would. We are cosmically similar to ants we both all over earth and are adaptable to our environments, both also have complex social class systems. Our higher “intellect” and ability to use/create tools seems to be the only factor that separates are key similarities
Every time time I think I've got a good response to the question I think of another argument and start over. You're right, it IS a complicated question. And there may not be a right answer, but thinking about the question and what it means about our place in and impact on our local ecosystem is worthwhile.
Exactly! I started out trying to determine an answer to the question and ended up wondering if the answer matters, or whether it's more important for us to focus our energies on making the world a better place regardless of the answer. 🤔
Interesting topic - I’ve been trawling the web for peoples opinions on this. Because the first humans originated and migrated from Africa, populated the planet and have had an adverse/harmful effect on ecosystems and biodiversity all around us, therefore in my opinion, we’re invasive. Yes sure, some populations are not as harmful as others, such as nomadic and exploratory settlers of the world, who are much less harmful to their environment than colonialist + imperialist civilizations. However most still negatively impact the ecosystems around them, and I guess I’m looking at it from a global and fast-forwarded scale as an entire species, not as individual colonies. The only cultures I would say are non-invasive, are some of the most ancient African tribes that still exist such as the Pygmy, Hadza, Nama and Khoi San people, who still live sustainably and non-harmfully to their environment after more than 100,000 years.
It is a really complex topic. I am probably going to say we are a recent colonist species, over an introduced or invasive species, as the initial colonization of humans outside Africa was just us taking advantage of our adaptations, like the birds that arrived in Hawaii and became the native birds, could have also displaced or driven earlier native fauna to extinction, but I would say those ancestors are not invasive or introduced. Or some plant that snags onto bird feathers to reach remote islands could easily act like an invasive species initially but could eventually becomes part of the ecosystem. But that thought creates a whole definition nightmare where any human associated domesticated species could also be considered not invasive, I don't know, maybe the terms are more important in terms of ecosystem management and thinking about human impacts of dragging organisms all over the world then being ecologically different than natural invasions, except of course the shear volume of invasions that is coming to characterize modern ecosystems.
You point you make about how complicated naming conventions are is an important one! These systems are so complex that we can't even agree on how to describe them.
I totally agree with this, especially the last part about invasive species being about ecosystem management. I don´t think it make sense to talk about it in any other context really..
I literally was talking to Nancy about my mad human theory last year, that we have been on other planets before destroying it and then moving on to another 😂😂
The question mark at the end of the title is hilarious. The Amazon rainforest is disappearing. Humans have historically leveled eco systems. We’ve managed to trigger the largest & most dramatic hyper-thermal event in earth’s history. As a collective, human beings are invasive basically anywhere we go. Edit: oh, did we happen to ask how most invasive species wind up on different continents? Like who’s intervention usually causes that to happen?
I think it mostly comes down to the question where we are native. And that depends on the reference time period. Which time periods were used for other animals that migrated without the involvement of humans? Where they considered native?
Those are great questions! From my research, it looks like animals/plants are often only called "invasive" if humans moved them, which implies the last few hundred years. I don't know how ecologists would classify range expansions prior to that (they may just be called "range expansions" and described as natural phenomena).
I really enjoy your channel! I guess this question involves a deeper look at localized regions where we started "harming" the environment and behaving like a classic definition of an invasive species. Humans dispersed and migrated throughout the world way before I'd consider us to be harmful. Maybe it's more of a sometimes or it depends answer than yes vs no? I guess that's what your video is trying to get at hahaha
Thanks, glad you're here! Lol, yes, a lot of my video questions are best explained by "it depends," which I think is a really important point to explore.
That's a great question! Besides the fact that I naturally talk kinda fast, there's some evidence that people who speak quickly in educational videos are seen as smarter by the audience - weird, right? I also don't want my videos to be too slow-paced or boring. If I can deliver a lot of information in a relatively short amount of time, I'm hoping it will be more useful to y'all in the audience!
This gets brought up frequently when I do invasive species removal. I think the part that is missed, that part of the human population has called POC and others things similar to invasive, and commit genocide. So using this terminology with humans is close to ecofacism.
Yes we are invasive, but not like a python let go in the Florida Everglades, but more like coming from another planet, as we have very little in common with any other animal on earth
We're all smart here - distinguish yourself by being kind.
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We are so invasive that we are a totally different category
I asked all my animal buddies and they all agree that yes, humans are an invasive species.
Humans don't list themselves as invasive because they just don't like being called invasive but in my opinion I think we are invasive we thrive in a new habitat we have never been too and adapt super quick so I do think humans are invasive
Humans are very self centered they'll argue with you that there opinion is always right .
The answer is YES. And it deserved capitalized letters.
I needed sources on this topic for a seminar I'm leading in my class. Helped a ton! And your nonbiased view is admirable.
Glad to help!
We do do a fair bit of invading
During 2020, nature improved in quality, just with humans being out of it for a year.
There's certainly some evidence that may be true! But I actually wondered about that and wound up making a video exploring whether the pandemic was actually "good" for nature or not 🤔
yes..humans are
Linking this video every time someone stands too close to me.
😂
Comedy gold
I also consider anything that finds itself in another area and becomes naturalized in the area nature... it’s how our world worlds... adaptation and all that..
But all species ancestors are "invasive species" at one point in time. Frederic Clements Ideology of nature being a Climax and fixed is old and outdated which is the majority of peoples belief towards nature. I prefer Henry Gleason view of nature always being in flux which is far more truthful to how the real world works
Not really
Being philosophical here I would propose that invasive is a human concept and if we were to encounter a larger predominant species with a higher intelligence and a more advanced state of existence then we would not label ourselves as invasive, but this other species would. We are cosmically similar to ants we both all over earth and are adaptable to our environments, both also have complex social class systems. Our higher “intellect” and ability to use/create tools seems to be the only factor that separates are key similarities
Every time time I think I've got a good response to the question I think of another argument and start over. You're right, it IS a complicated question. And there may not be a right answer, but thinking about the question and what it means about our place in and impact on our local ecosystem is worthwhile.
Exactly! I started out trying to determine an answer to the question and ended up wondering if the answer matters, or whether it's more important for us to focus our energies on making the world a better place regardless of the answer. 🤔
Yes period
We are ultimate and most destructive invasive species
The answer is obviously:
Yesn't...
Right? So many complicated details to consider.
Me before watching the video: Yes.
Me after watching the video: Yes. Kinda. To a certain extent at least. It's complicated.
Lol, same before/after writing it 😅
Interesting topic - I’ve been trawling the web for peoples opinions on this.
Because the first humans originated and migrated from Africa, populated the planet and have had an adverse/harmful effect on ecosystems and biodiversity all around us, therefore in my opinion, we’re invasive.
Yes sure, some populations are not as harmful as others, such as nomadic and exploratory settlers of the world, who are much less harmful to their environment than colonialist + imperialist civilizations. However most still negatively impact the ecosystems around them, and I guess I’m looking at it from a global and fast-forwarded scale as an entire species, not as individual colonies.
The only cultures I would say are non-invasive, are some of the most ancient African tribes that still exist such as the Pygmy, Hadza, Nama and Khoi San people, who still live sustainably and non-harmfully to their environment after more than 100,000 years.
love this video!!
It is a really complex topic. I am probably going to say we are a recent colonist species, over an introduced or invasive species, as the initial colonization of humans outside Africa was just us taking advantage of our adaptations, like the birds that arrived in Hawaii and became the native birds, could have also displaced or driven earlier native fauna to extinction, but I would say those ancestors are not invasive or introduced. Or some plant that snags onto bird feathers to reach remote islands could easily act like an invasive species initially but could eventually becomes part of the ecosystem. But that thought creates a whole definition nightmare where any human associated domesticated species could also be considered not invasive, I don't know, maybe the terms are more important in terms of ecosystem management and thinking about human impacts of dragging organisms all over the world then being ecologically different than natural invasions, except of course the shear volume of invasions that is coming to characterize modern ecosystems.
You point you make about how complicated naming conventions are is an important one! These systems are so complex that we can't even agree on how to describe them.
I totally agree with this, especially the last part about invasive species being about ecosystem management. I don´t think it make sense to talk about it in any other context really..
I literally was talking to Nancy about my mad human theory last year, that we have been on other planets before destroying it and then moving on to another 😂😂
Mars?
The question mark at the end of the title is hilarious. The Amazon rainforest is disappearing. Humans have historically leveled eco systems. We’ve managed to trigger the largest & most dramatic hyper-thermal event in earth’s history. As a collective, human beings are invasive basically anywhere we go.
Edit: oh, did we happen to ask how most invasive species wind up on different continents? Like who’s intervention usually causes that to happen?
Found the link to this over on SciBugs, think I'll watch a few more of your videos.
Welcome! Glad you like what you've seen 🙂
It's not invasion if It's already ours by right
I think it mostly comes down to the question where we are native. And that depends on the reference time period.
Which time periods were used for other animals that migrated without the involvement of humans? Where they considered native?
Those are great questions! From my research, it looks like animals/plants are often only called "invasive" if humans moved them, which implies the last few hundred years. I don't know how ecologists would classify range expansions prior to that (they may just be called "range expansions" and described as natural phenomena).
Consider this is not the first planet destroyed by us.
We humans have a big ego when compared with other animals. But we are invasive and overpopulated
I really enjoy your channel! I guess this question involves a deeper look at localized regions where we started "harming" the environment and behaving like a classic definition of an invasive species. Humans dispersed and migrated throughout the world way before I'd consider us to be harmful. Maybe it's more of a sometimes or it depends answer than yes vs no? I guess that's what your video is trying to get at hahaha
Thanks, glad you're here! Lol, yes, a lot of my video questions are best explained by "it depends," which I think is a really important point to explore.
Is there some reason why you are talking so fast?
That's a great question! Besides the fact that I naturally talk kinda fast, there's some evidence that people who speak quickly in educational videos are seen as smarter by the audience - weird, right? I also don't want my videos to be too slow-paced or boring. If I can deliver a lot of information in a relatively short amount of time, I'm hoping it will be more useful to y'all in the audience!
@@TheRovingNaturalist Great answer.
Eat their young.
Yes humanity is an invasive specie
I would have thought we'd have invaded Mars by now
Long answer, yes. Short answer, we need a meteor.
This gets brought up frequently when I do invasive species removal. I think the part that is missed, that part of the human population has called POC and others things similar to invasive, and commit genocide. So using this terminology with humans is close to ecofacism.
Yes we are invasive, but not like a python let go in the Florida Everglades, but more like coming from another planet, as we have very little in common with any other animal on earth