How to play a 5:4 Polyrhythm - Animation 3D Bounce Metronome Pro
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- bouncemetronome... You can play these rhythms at any tempo and also with a continually varying tempo with Bounce Metronome Pro - after the download look for the Polyrhythm Metronome in the droplist of metronomes in the main window.
The program is for Windows and will run on any PC, laptop or netbook with XP, Vista or Windows 7. It's low cost, easily affordable (with discounts), and you can take it for a 30 day free test drive with all the features completely unlocked.
These polyrhythms are a feature of the Pro metronome (same download, after the install when it runs, choose Polyrhythms such as 4:3 from the main window drop list).
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For this same rhythm divided into ticks:
• Polyrhythm (or cross r...
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If your bar goes from 0 to 100, the normal 4/4 accents would go on 0, 25, 50 and 75, and the 5/4 accents on 0, 20, 40, 60, 80. I think it's an easy way to look at this polyrhythm.
rurzan you can go 0,8,12,16,20 and 0,5,10,15,20 t
it would 4/4 an 4/5. 5/4 is just a 5th beat of 4/4 time
Or just a bar from 1 to 20. 4/4 would be on the 1 ,6, 11 ,16, and the 5/4 on the 1, 5, 9, 13, and 17. This way you could maybe actually count it.
You could also think of 4 groups of 5. Always on the 1 for 4/4, and then 5/4 accents on the 1 and 5, then on 4, then 3, then 2.
THIS totaly Djents bro
Lol the first thing that came to mind was that section towards the end of icarus lives by periphery where they emphasize every 5th 16th note and then switch back to regular 4/4.
actually though, I came here trying to understand Meshuggah's Mouth Licking What You've Bled, that song is insane and based around this polyrhythm
meshuggah bleed is same time signature i think
What a creative visual tool
2X speed for a really sweet Afro-tribal rhythm.
Okay, polyrhythms are significantly easier for me to follow like this.
Nah x2 sucks
Memento mori
In 2x it’s really easy to follow and count the polyrhythm!
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It's fun to sit down and really research quintuplets. Grouping in 2, 3 or 4 is really tough for me. I struggle a lot with polyrhythms and rhythm generally.
Loving this! It took me 10 years to learn how to play "The Broken Bossa" (which has 5 in the bass and 4 in the right hand), though
This animation is super helpful. I now realize the 4 is kinda like the parameter or framework within which the 5 must fit.
Yes that's right. I'm following a common convention to use the same note types to notate all the parts in the polyrhythm, so 5:4 is often shown simply with quarter notes in both rhythms. See for instance Peter Magadini's "Polyrhythms for the drumset". In the new version of the program which I will release very soon, you have the option to use a "polymeter notation" (same quarter notes in all the rhythms, making this 5/5 : 4/4) or the "polyrhythm notation" I use in this video (5/4 : 4/4).
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thanks! not a percussionist but very fun to explore the topic of polyrhythms and now i understand 5:4
How I learned to hear a 5 over 4 polyrhythm is to essentially do this exercise but to displace the 16th note after every beat. Really challenging but fun exercise. These guys made it sound amazing. Really love this channel!
Such a helpful video, would be great to have it loop for way longer, thank you!
It is the same for e.g. 6 : 7, the 4 of the 7 is half way through the 3rd beat of the 6, and each beat of the 7 is slightly further ahead each time, this time by a sixth of a quarter note, so by the time you get to the 4 you are ahead of the 4th note of the 6 by an eighth note.
Or for something like e.g. 16 : 17 or whatever, then it is like a slow steady drift through the beats of the 16, and the mid point here would be at beat 9 of the 17 which would be half way through beat 8 of the 16..
Yes that's right. The 5 beats are slightly further ahead in the 4 beat rhythm each time. So suppose the 4 is counted in quarter notes, then in the 5, relative to the 4, the 1 is in time, the 2 is ahead of the beat by a sixteenth note, the 3 is ahead by an eighth note and the 4 is ahead of the beat by a dotted eighth note.
Or to put it another way if the 4s beat quarter notes, and if you use the same size of quarter note to notate both parts, the 5s beat dotted eighth notes.
4:5
Booo RLoo RoLo RooL Rooo
Booo LRoo LoRo LooR Looo
5:4
BoooL RooLo RoLoo RLooo
BoooR LooRo LoRoo LRooo
Helped me to think of it this way.
*Booo RLoo RoLo RooL Booo
*Booo LRoo LoRo LooR Booo
What are the o’s?
not to be redundant, but:
its just a Polyrhythm. you can think of it in two ways:
1) 5 against 4
2) 4 against 5
it depends on what you are considering the 1/4 note or time signature to be:
*Bell sound as the 1/4 note = 5 against 4, because this would make it 4/4 time
*Drum as the 1/4 note = 4 against 5, because this would make it 5/4 time
Guys it's sound much more better if you make the beater playing 5 the stronger timbre. Then it sounds like:
5/4 ||: 1 2e 3 + 4 a5 :||
Which sounds a hell of a lot better.
That's easier, but then you're feeling 4 over 5 instead of 5 over 4
>More better
It would sound better if you took the word 'more' out of that sentence. You made me pmsl.
@@Skutieos7 That's true.
I've edited the title to 5:4 to help prevent confusion, and I can do a video of 5/4 : 4/4 in the polymeter notation with all the beats the same size after the next release for comparision.
How many times have you watched this?
Me: yes
The 3 on the 5 side is slightly after the middle of the beat (at 3/5 of a beat), the 4 on the 5 side is slightly before the middle of the beat (2/5 of a beat) and the 3 on the 4 side is exactly in the middle of the corresponding beat on the 5 side. Thanks for the correction lrrlrlr
not really
not trying to/intending to "belittle" you or anyone, but: if the BELL is the quarter note (ie 4/4 time) than the group of 5 superimposed on top of it ISNT merely displaced ahead of the quarter note by a 16th, then an 8th, than a dotted 8th
they do "match up" but you have to subdivide the 5's (quintuplets) further (into 16th note quintuplets) and THEN you can see where they align on the beat with each quarter note - THEN - you can figure out the 5 against 4 accurately
Simply the dogs dangly bits in the metronome world!
Amazing.
I put my money where my mouth is and got the pro version.
Well done!
For 3:2 and other polyrhythms see the playlist - url below the video
Funny how this almost sounds like a sloppy 4:3 polyrhythm. Love it!
Sorry got it wrong. You subidivide the 4 beats into quintuplets. Then in the group of 5, the 1 is on the beat the 2 is ahead by 1 quintuplet, the 3 is ahead by 2 quintuplets, the 4 is ahead by 3 quintuplets and the 5 is ahead by 4 quintuplets, and the 1 of the next measure is on the beat again. OR subdivide the 5 beats into sixteenth notes. Then the 1 of the 4 is on the beat, the 2 is ahead by a sixteenth, the 3 is ahead by an eighth, the 4 is ahead by 3 sixteenths and the 1 is on the beat
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finally learnt how to do this properly both ways!! you're the man robert - this stuff changed the game! (for me anyway!)
This is so awesome.
THIS IS REALLY RELAXIIIIING!!!!!!!!
Very helpful! Next time for similar videos maybe try and make it longer, a lot of people like pulling up helpful videos like this and practicing it different ways and for a long stretch of time. I'd say 10 minutes would do it personally :)
I don't know if helped understand polyrhythms but nice animstion
These are great! Thanks for doing the work to make them!
Speed up for that falling down the stairs feel. Sounds awesome on drums, like everything is going wrong.
That's pretty awesome. Thanks for the lesson!
I like to say:
WHAT are YOU guys DO-ing to-NIGHT?
To help with remembering how to do it in my head
Thanks, the notation is equally unfamiliar to me, this is the first time I've seen it mentioned. I've found the article, in wikipedia under "List of musical works in unusual time signatures", but I can't find a description of how the notation works in Wikipedia. I've added a note to that effect to the talk page to the article and will see if anyone answers my question there. At first sight it looks like some kind of fractional beats notation but the 2/2 doesn't make sense that way.
Hi Robert,
thank you for building this software, i'm amazed that it is the only one to meet my needs out of dozens. I use it to practise indian rhythms and they use a lot of different subdivisions.
There is one issue though, when i want to stay in a beat but switch subdivisions by using "page up" and "page down" i have to time that exactly. This becomes a bit messy once i get to higher subdivisions such as going from 8 to 9 due to traveltime of the keyboard and some latency. It would be nice if there was an option to click that would time the switch for me exactly on the next beat after a command.
very cool, I love this!
thanks for uploading, keep them coming!!!
10 hr version plz
Very good!
it can be either 4:5, or 5:4. It depends on what you are considering the quarter note or pulse.
the Bell = 1/4 note (the pulse) this would be 5:4 (5 against 4)
the Drum = 1/4 note (the pulse making it a 5/4 measure) it would be 4:5 (4 against 5)
it all depends on what you are calling the pulse, or I guess you could say time signature
@LongLiveRex Okay thanks for the quote. Obvious thing is to email Phillip Tagg as he has an email address on-line on his bio page - and find out what he meant then I can have a go at doing a demo video. Does look quite intriguing, and thanks for the link.
i find it easy thinking this as the underlying measurement of 5 (so i count i five), but almost impossible to count it as 4 ... its annoys the hell out of me because i can easily switch between all of the basic polyrhythms ... but this one gets me for some reason
Maybe it’s just because the 5 beats sound like a bass drum, so it’s only natural for your mind to associate it with the counting beat.
Thore Elbek dude I'm with you. I think it's because it just lines up super weird. Makes my brain feel like a soggy noodle!
Same. Trying to add 8th notes or other subdivisions between the four 1/4 notes (treating each blue bells as a 1/4 note) is tricky. This is because, i think, you are then essentially trying to simultaneously hear quintuplets. If you reverse it and treat the red drum as the 1/4 note, all you have to do is accent every fifth 16th note. There's a cool song called Handmade Cities by Plini where the pulse is 4/4 but the bass and drums use quintuplets often.
What the guy above me said. It's hard to subdivide a quarter note into quintuplets and at the same time play accents every 4 notes. My advice would be to listen to it very slowly and sing out the groups of five while accenting every 4 notes. Something like:
(1) 2 3 4 (5) - 1 2 3 (4) 5 - 1 2 (3) 4 5 - 1(2) 3 4 5 - (1)..... Accents in the brackets.
Or without numbers, just scat singing:
(TA) ku ta ku (RU) - Ta ku ta (KU) ru - Ta ku (TA) ku ru - Ta (KU) ta ku ru (TA)....
excellent!
AWESOME!!!I'm subscriving your chanel mate :D!!!
Keep up the good work
Rod
I hear this as “pass the golden freaky butter”
@LongLiveRex Yes I think so, that is, if I understand you rightly.
At any rate, did a demo video with 3/8, 2/4, 3/4, 6/8, 4/4, 2/2, 3/2, 4/2 all simultaneously, as conducting patterns.
I found a minor visual bug while preparing the demo video - plays the rhythms fine - just a visual thing, baton falling in the wrong place for the 2/4 when it's combined with the other rhythms, other minor bugs too.
Will fix & upload.
Can you say a bit about the "additive asymmetric subdivisions"?
i do this weird thing where i click my teeth together and make a click noise with my throat and make music and just realized my go to is 4/5 polyrhythm
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Thanks this is cool!
i can finally do this fucking bullshit. i tried for months but i can randomly do it with no practice years later. thank god
This helps.
thanks
Thanks for these vids. Debussy is full of polyrhythms. Got the 2 against 3 good, but the others are not so much fun
1, 6, 11, 16, 21
1, 5, 9, 13, 17, 21
@LongLiveRex Oh btw - with the 2/4 and 3/4 played simultaneously - do you mean played as a 2 : 3 polyrhythm or do you mean played so that both have the same size of quarter note?
I assumed as a polyrhythm, so all the n/4 have the same measure size (polyrhythms over 4/4), and all the /8 have half that measure size (polyrhythms over 4/8), that's how the metronome works, is a good default if you want to play complex polyrhythms.
But can do it so e.g. 3/4 measure is 1 1/2 of the 2/4 measures...
My favourite
Nope, this is actually: 4/5 (right) = equaling to 4 groups of 5/16 over 5/4 (left) = equaling to 5 quarter notes.
Thanks, done it as a video response see above
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so my rhythm isn't too great, and my math isn't either, is the 3 on the 5 side dead center of the metronome beat?
nice
@ robertinventor
It would be helpful / very nice if you had at least a 1 measure count off before this started, as a reference.
Im feeling this in 4/4 time and 5 against it.
If there were 4 1/4 notes to count this off in order to "set up" the time and tempo, it would clearly demonstrate what 5 against 4 feels / sounds like
Either way, thanks for uploading this. Very cool of you to do, thank you.
I think pools by glass Animals has this rhythm
Saw this comment somewhere else but thought it might help:
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@@oscarbarnes708 can you tell me frase to 4:5
@@oscarbarnes708 Can you explain what this meme means? I've seen it on a couple drum / rhythm videos
@@brothermanv it's not a meme, it's a way you can remember these polyrhythms. Check the 4 on 3 "pass the goddamn butter"
Could you put up a vid of a 5/4 over 7/8 polyrhythm? I want to see if it's possible. lol
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@staybrutal216 quarter note triplets man.....3/2 or 6/4 however you wanna stick it
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Just got a reply on the talk page, it's a deliberately nonsensical time signature, you need to click to go to the footnote to find out, easily missed (as I did too) ": "The ‘Reverie der Laputier, nebst ihren Aufweckern’ . . . teases the reader with a nonsensical time signature, 32/2/4, in an apparent allusion to the Laputians’ love for, and incompetence in, mathematics." Dietz Degan, the editor of Telemann 1970, transcribes this piece simply in 2/2."
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Who tf downvoted this??? "Wah my brain can't comprehend this complex rhythm waaaaah". Go cry elsewhere, yeesh
Awesome. Is there an app for this or something similar?
It's a program for Windows. And I'm working on a version for OSX which is already available in beta - using a Wineskin.
It also runs on Linux using Wine. You can get it from bouncemetronome.com
I can't port it to iPad or to Android however, sadly, or to Windows RT. The reason is that it is compiled to x86 code and can't run on an AMD processor. You could run it, theoretically, by using a CPU emulator - but there are other technical issues and also licensing issues. In case of Android then a team is working on Wine for Android, which in theory could run Windows x86 code on Android using a CPU emulator - but the project is at a very early stage.
In case of the iPad, it's not at all certain that Apple would permit a CPU emulator - they pulled a DOS emulator from the store which for a brief time of a few weeks permitted users to run Windows 3.1 on an iPad (by running Windows 3.1 as a program on top of DOS on top of the iPad iOS). You can find youtube videos of old Windows 3.1 era games played on an iPad by this method, but the app is no longer available so you can't do it any more. So would probably do the same if someone made it possible for modern Windows programs to run on an iPad. I'm not sure why that is as they have no problems with Wineskin on OSX, but that's just the way it is, I'd be surprised if it is ever permitted.
But in the future I may write a new program from scratch and make it multi-platform, and focus on an Apps type model for the program.
robertinventor Sounds good thanks!
yea i think i know the differences betwen x:y vs. x/x over y/y when i hear them, but i dont know the math behind it really well. do you know any sources that could help me out?
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Now I can better understand YYZ by Rush xD
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really sucks that they don't have a Mac version of this. that really BLOWS
What are these things called?
Ok
This is 5/5 over 4/4 actually.
AAHH it's the 4th '5' that messes me up
It’s hard for me to feel the 5/4 from the left. The bell is so much louder and it sounds like 4/4. If the sounds were reversed it would help.
this is NOT 5:4 it's 6:4 but you only play 5 of the triplets
Searched this because of an anime opening with a 5:4 polyrhythm.
Santino Aznar which one??
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robertinventor are you the creator of this software?
Yes that's me
I can get 4 against 5, but I can't think of it as 5 against 4... Aaaaahhhh.
There's 2 ways you could think of this.
what BPM is this ?
What is it?
This sounds like TOOL
Quite
Getting some gorillaz 5/4 vibes
its so strange haha
This rhythm, diff-i-cult is not.
Its so easy a cave man can do it. 11 2e 3& 4a 5
Yes. Doesn't take that long. If they reversed the timbres it would be easier. This video sounds like 4/4, when in reality 5/4 sounds much better for this poly rhythm.
This is great! Like this we could learn complicated stuff easy!
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