Vacheron Constantin needs more attention honestly...every rich guy wearing patek and ap not even knowing that VC exists..amazing history, amazing quality and compared to a patek a real bargain haha :D
I think that’s largely due to the fact that VC is no longer an independent company, unlike Patek, AP and Rolex. Vacheron, like many once strong brands was rescued from extinction by the conglomerate Richemont after having changed hands a couple of times. I’m not questioning their quality and nobody can question their history. It may not seem like a big deal that they’re not independent, but it is. To people who spend that kind of money on watches- it really, really is.
Tree Dillinger yeah thats a good point, but imho it is very questionable to buy a watch under condition that its maker is an independent company...ALS, VC, JLC, companys i‘d choose over patek or ap at any time altough they are under richemont..
Jeff1809 certainly top-tier watchmakers. No question. On one hand I complete agree with your focus on quality. On the other hand I recognize that we’re paying the big bucks for history, as much as quality. The brands you mention have incredibly important histories, it’s just that they’re not uninterrupted histories. ALS, for instance, shut down production for over 40 years and the modern company has only existed since the 90s. Again: that has no bearing on the quality of the product coming out of the factory today. I don’t criticize Richemont or the Swatch Group. I think what those companies did was incredibly important in keeping the Swiss Watch industry alive. They rescued many brands we love from the jaws of death. It’s not their fault those brands were broke- it was a combination of the brands’ own mismanagement and the reality of the cheaper, more reliable Japanese quartz watch. All of that said- I can’t help but respect the independents for bucking the trends and remaining independent, and not only surviving but thriving throughout the decades- and centuries.
Vacheron Constantin Oldest and founder of the Haute Horology . It`s Royal Heritage is unmatched by pp . only early seventies pp started to gain more publicity due to more advertisement .
The biggest problem with Patek Philippe Nautilus range is that once you hold it or wear it, it simply does not feel like a AUS $35-60k watch. It's feels too delicate to the point of almost feeling flimsy (for lack of better words). Looking at the dial of the basic Nautilus makes you wonder where your $35k went, bracelet feels like Omega Speedmaster or equivalent. Nothing wrong with the Speedmaster, but it is problematic at Nautilus' price range. All VC Overseas models have weight and sturdiness to them and the stainless steel bracelet is hands down one of the most comfortable to wear - although I think the previous version of the bracelet was better than the new one. The blue dial of new Overseas is stunning in person, it is almost hypnotic. VC Overseas, or an A. Lange & Sohne is def better than current line up of Nautilus.
The Gen3 Overseas is holding value much better than prior gen watches. It is wonderful watch and has a soul that you will not find in rhe Nautilus. Also the buying experience at VC is nicer IMO than PP. Less pretentious. No snobbery just a simple concept that they want to sell beautiful watches to people that appreciate beautiful watches. No selling games. No BS. The way things should be. An art that is sadly dying. I am not that old in the scheme of things, but I remember a time when buying a Rolex was a nice experience. VC conduct business with old school honour and class and deserve to be commended for it :)
I like the VC overseas So much better than the Nautilis or Royal Oak. I’m actually not a big royal oak fan at all. It looks like a stop sign to me telling me stop, don’t go there
Good God, it's no contest whatsoever. The Vacheron Constantin is a million times better. Have you seen both in person? The VC is so fine. The Patek looks outdated, and just completely outclassed by the VC.
The Nautilus is the grail watch for every serious watch collectors. Vacheron is just another good and well executed watch... but if you have to choose TAKE THE NAUTILUS !!!, even at 60k to get it at second hand market... it’s a way better choice. You won’t loose money. Paid mine 40k, sold it for 50k... now I regret... :(
I was gifted a Pulsar Watch by my grandparents when I was a teen. I had no idea I was a tank homage until just a few years back. I enjoyed the design then so in know I’d enjoy a real tank now. Thanks again for another solid q&a.
Seiko is a junky, cheapo brand that is the darling of the watch community because it is hip to love Seiko. Like it is hip to get tat sleeves. Or to eat avocado toast.
@@locutusdborg126Nonsense. Seiko are all great value. Grand Seiko is probably the best watch made. Yeah, they are boring and I would never buy one, but still superb quality.
Great subject matter. The VC is vastly superior in both looks and quality to the Patek. The Nautilus is just so dated and boring looking watch. If it wasn’t of such obvious quality you could be forgiven for thinking that it was a cheap looking Chinese designed watch, it’s that bad. I have tried both on my wrist . The overseas is stunning and on the secondary market is great value especially compared to the over inflated Patek market The same can be said for Ap. Let’s face it Ap with the Royal Oak is a one watch company all be it a very successful one.
The Nautilus looks like a 1950s TV set. I have never understood the appeal! I would take an Overseas or Royal Oak over it. In general, I have never been a Patek fan. I find most of their designs too busy. Also, there is something about the look and sound of the name, and the status-obsessed image, that does not appeal to me. Maybe weird that I have a fixation on the aesthetics of the name itself, but when you are talking top-quality by all of these brands, emotions and intangibles play a part. I love VC because their current designs blend tradition and modernity in a perfect, harmonious way. I also love their heritage and that most people have never heard of them!
To be fair the nautilus and the overseas retail for relatively the same price. There’s roughly a 5 grand difference. You practically kick your wallet in the nuts for not waiting for the nautilus. And ever since Richemont bought out Vacheron there has been a dip in quality. On top of that Patek pledges to service your watch no matter how old it is or what it needs. The nautilus is simply better and I feel the market directly reflects that.
On retail, there's about a $10k difference. Where do you see them going for 5k difference? Never tried on the nautilus given their demand, but the VC is an absolute beaut
I got a 40th birthday gift from my wife and it was a brand new from the AD Vacheron Constantin overseas dual time, steel w a blue dial, and the peice of crap stopped moving in the first month! We got a refund , i dont believe in VC anymore..Rolex all the way!!
Oh and loved how u talked about brand identity and its importance .... I hope that resonates with all the people that think seiko is the best watchmaker because it produces quality affordable watches. Not trying to start a fight, but the value and meaning of brand identity is overlooked and misunderstood if not plainly neglected by many watch enthusiasts.
Galahad Of course there more exclusive watches like 1 of 1... But I meant both exclusivity and most well-known with history and image... There is no watch enthusiastic watch collector in this world that you ask for the best high-end watch brand and don't get the answer: Patek Philippe...
@@jhmsmarttv795 if I gave you a lyric sheet from Em, Kanye, MGK, Kendrick, or J. Cole and an hour to dissect all of the literary devices in it, you'd miss more than half. At least rappers are well mannered enough not to leave snarky prejudiced comments on RUclips ;)
The Vacheron Constantin Overseas is the ONLY High-End Watch I would buy.....and prefer it to PP, AP, etc....
AGREE . Oldest Haute Horology member with Greatest Royal Heritage .
2nd! Agreed....
R o l e x
Vacheron Constantin needs more attention honestly...every rich guy wearing patek and ap not even knowing that VC exists..amazing history, amazing quality and compared to a patek a real bargain haha :D
I think that’s largely due to the fact that VC is no longer an independent company, unlike Patek, AP and Rolex. Vacheron, like many once strong brands was rescued from extinction by the conglomerate Richemont after having changed hands a couple of times.
I’m not questioning their quality and nobody can question their history. It may not seem like a big deal that they’re not independent, but it is. To people who spend that kind of money on watches- it really, really is.
Tree Dillinger yeah thats a good point, but imho it is very questionable to buy a watch under condition that its maker is an independent company...ALS, VC, JLC, companys i‘d choose over patek or ap at any time altough they are under richemont..
Jeff1809 certainly top-tier watchmakers. No question. On one hand I complete agree with your focus on quality. On the other hand I recognize that we’re paying the big bucks for history, as much as quality. The brands you mention have incredibly important histories, it’s just that they’re not uninterrupted histories. ALS, for instance, shut down production for over 40 years and the modern company has only existed since the 90s. Again: that has no bearing on the quality of the product coming out of the factory today.
I don’t criticize Richemont or the Swatch Group. I think what those companies did was incredibly important in keeping the Swiss Watch industry alive. They rescued many brands we love from the jaws of death. It’s not their fault those brands were broke- it was a combination of the brands’ own mismanagement and the reality of the cheaper, more reliable Japanese quartz watch.
All of that said- I can’t help but respect the independents for bucking the trends and remaining independent, and not only surviving but thriving throughout the decades- and centuries.
Tree Dillinger wow. Never realized any of that. Great analysis
VC should be WC. 😂
Overseas vs Nautilus @ 8:20 area. You're welcome
yuhhhh now i can save 8 minutes of my life to watch a diff vid
Vacheron Constantin Oldest and founder of the Haute Horology . It`s Royal Heritage is unmatched by pp . only early seventies pp started to gain more publicity due to more advertisement .
Vacheron watches are stunning pieces. They just do not get enough presence to pop up on the radars.
AGREE . Oldest Haute Horology member with Greatest Royal Heritage .
Yup i think VC probably is a better proposition the multistrap provision tips the balance for me
That whole strap thing really can be a deal breaker, no doubt!!
The biggest problem with Patek Philippe Nautilus range is that once you hold it or wear it, it simply does not feel like a AUS $35-60k watch. It's feels too delicate to the point of almost feeling flimsy (for lack of better words). Looking at the dial of the basic Nautilus makes you wonder where your $35k went, bracelet feels like Omega Speedmaster or equivalent. Nothing wrong with the Speedmaster, but it is problematic at Nautilus' price range. All VC Overseas models have weight and sturdiness to them and the stainless steel bracelet is hands down one of the most comfortable to wear - although I think the previous version of the bracelet was better than the new one. The blue dial of new Overseas is stunning in person, it is almost hypnotic.
VC Overseas, or an A. Lange & Sohne is def better than current line up of Nautilus.
The Gen3 Overseas is holding value much better than prior gen watches. It is wonderful watch and has a soul that you will not find in rhe Nautilus.
Also the buying experience at VC is nicer IMO than PP. Less pretentious. No snobbery just a simple concept that they want to sell beautiful watches to people that appreciate beautiful watches. No selling games. No BS. The way things should be. An art that is sadly dying. I am not that old in the scheme of things, but I remember a time when buying a Rolex was a nice experience.
VC conduct business with old school honour and class and deserve to be commended for it :)
4:59
That time stamp is pure gold hahahaha
Vacheron Constantin 6:03
Don’t apologize about Seiko as most of what you say is straight up truth
Vacheron constantin overseas chronograph blue dial is 1000% better looking than Patek Philippe Nautilus
tastes....
All Day!
I like the VC overseas So much better than the Nautilis or Royal Oak. I’m actually not a big royal oak fan at all. It looks like a stop sign to me telling me stop, don’t go there
What about the new released vacheron rose gold skeleton perpetual calendar It is absolutely stunning
Who is a kinder boss to you: Theo or Harris?
Does that Rolex 1601 you are wearing have hacking second’s hand? TYIA.
Vacheron Constantin. Oldest Haute Horology member with Greatest Royal Heritage .
VC is dying. They are a follower not a leader and followers in the ultra-luxury niche get killed off.
My next watch might just be the VC Overseas...like the round case and full polish better
Good God, it's no contest whatsoever. The Vacheron Constantin is a million times better. Have you seen both in person? The VC is so fine. The Patek looks outdated, and just completely outclassed by the VC.
Publius Velocitor because the overseas came out a year after the nautilus. Nautilus still nicer than overseas, gerald genta was the man.
An absurd comment by someone who only knows these watches via IG or YT. Some of us actually own them and realize the ridiculousness of your post.
the market prices say otherwise
The Nautilus is the grail watch for every serious watch collectors.
Vacheron is just another good and well executed watch... but if you have to choose TAKE THE NAUTILUS !!!, even at 60k to get it at second hand market... it’s a way better choice. You won’t loose money. Paid mine 40k, sold it for 50k... now I regret... :(
no one knows the future
This guy probably has the tightest traps in the world the way he constantly has elevated shoulders in excitement.
How many Datejusts have you bought since you've started? 😅😅😅
ALL the Datejusts!!!!! Mwahahaha
james LL proof? Unless you have proof, you're just speculating.
You mean DD's. Thank me later.
I was gifted a Pulsar Watch by my grandparents when I was a teen. I had no idea I was a tank homage until just a few years back. I enjoyed the design then so in know I’d enjoy a real tank now. Thanks again for another solid q&a.
Patek has become the new Hublot.
Vacheron all the way, very cool and beautiful watch.
Why do this guy hates Seiko?
Seiko is a junky, cheapo brand that is the darling of the watch community because it is hip to love Seiko. Like it is hip to get tat sleeves. Or to eat avocado toast.
@@locutusdborg126Nonsense. Seiko are all great value. Grand Seiko is probably the best watch made. Yeah, they are boring and I would never buy one, but still superb quality.
Painful to watch
Great subject matter. The VC is vastly superior in both looks and quality to the Patek. The Nautilus is just so dated and boring looking watch. If it wasn’t of such obvious quality you could be forgiven for thinking that it was a cheap looking Chinese designed watch, it’s that bad. I have tried both on my wrist . The overseas is stunning and on the secondary market is great value especially compared to the over inflated Patek market The same can be said for Ap. Let’s face it Ap with the Royal Oak is a one watch company all be it a very successful one.
The Nautilus looks like a 1950s TV set. I have never understood the appeal! I would take an Overseas or Royal Oak over it. In general, I have never been a Patek fan. I find most of their designs too busy. Also, there is something about the look and sound of the name, and the status-obsessed image, that does not appeal to me. Maybe weird that I have a fixation on the aesthetics of the name itself, but when you are talking top-quality by all of these brands, emotions and intangibles play a part. I love VC because their current designs blend tradition and modernity in a perfect, harmonious way. I also love their heritage and that most people have never heard of them!
VC is kinda struggling now. I love their watches but resale is very terrible for them.
Richard Bonanno wish they were ...I’m looking for one and there are pretty much close to retail
To be fair the nautilus and the overseas retail for relatively the same price. There’s roughly a 5 grand difference. You practically kick your wallet in the nuts for not waiting for the nautilus. And ever since Richemont bought out Vacheron there has been a dip in quality. On top of that Patek pledges to service your watch no matter how old it is or what it needs. The nautilus is simply better and I feel the market directly reflects that.
On retail, there's about a $10k difference. Where do you see them going for 5k difference? Never tried on the nautilus given their demand, but the VC is an absolute beaut
There has been NO dip in quality.
I vote for the overseas...so sick of the Nautilus
"Coming into Newark airport. Get right on the Pulaski, pal. Don't look down..." ~ Max Payne 3
Those hi-beat movements tho.
That killed me hahahaha
I got a 40th birthday gift from my wife and it was a brand new from the AD Vacheron Constantin overseas dual time, steel w a blue dial, and the peice of crap stopped moving in the first month! We got a refund , i dont believe in VC anymore..Rolex all the way!!
Good video enjoyed watching 👍
simple answer NO
I think vincero is better! 😂😜
SEIKO? GRAND SEIKO? CREDOR? Oh yes, they have a big brand problem.
His hands gestures is bordering on being annoying
You will fucking always have a question about Seiko.
Does christian have anger issues 😂😂😂
Greeting from Italy🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
christian would know a thing or two about stretch if you know what I'm saying.... just kidding... btw feel the same about Cartier!!
You speak so much about wear/size/etc. You should know that the Overseas wear huge. You would probably not like it.
Relax bro the seiko love is strong do a review on a skx 🤓 .
Oh hell yes.
hold up, does Christian have an anger management issue?
Rome Levant doing it repeatedly can lose subscriber.
I'm not going anywhere, I love Theo and Harris, but I was just wondering if it's a joke or if it's legit... if so, kind of scary.
It's obviously a joke. He could have cut it out completely while editing, but he just cut out "f%^k" as a joke.
Oh and loved how u talked about brand identity and its importance .... I hope that resonates with all the people that think seiko is the best watchmaker because it produces quality affordable watches. Not trying to start a fight, but the value and meaning of brand identity is overlooked and misunderstood if not plainly neglected by many watch enthusiasts.
Fuck me, Christian you're more anointing to watch/listen then Archie.
THERE IS NO BRAND (WATCH) BETTER AND MORE EXCLUSIVE THAN PATEK PHILIPPE
THERE IS NO BIGGER AND MORE VALUABLE WATCH BRAND THAN ROLEX
It's O.K to be a straight white alpha male! There is more exclusive brands
Galahad
Of course there more exclusive watches like 1 of 1... But I meant both exclusivity and most well-known with history and image... There is no watch enthusiastic watch collector in this world that you ask for the best high-end watch brand and don't get the answer: Patek Philippe...
Define better? Great appreciation in value? Yes but quality might go to Lange
It's O.K to be a straight white alpha male! Yeah that’s what I thought you meant
It's O.K to be a straight white alpha male! I see a lot of “value” in a Seiko or even a Timex. Resale value though, I’d agree.
Rappers can not pronounce Vacheron Constantin. Ignorance sells.
Why is it that people associate rap with ignorance? Smh.
@@TommyTombstone Yeah, because rappers are known for their good manners and high education?! LoL! 🤣
@@jhmsmarttv795 if I gave you a lyric sheet from Em, Kanye, MGK, Kendrick, or J. Cole and an hour to dissect all of the literary devices in it, you'd miss more than half. At least rappers are well mannered enough not to leave snarky prejudiced comments on RUclips ;)
@@TommyTombstone In your dreams buddy...