Highlights from the Indoor Washed Up Loser OIympics

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  • Опубликовано: 2 янв 2025

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  • @Speedojesus
    @Speedojesus 8 лет назад +1647

    It's really cool seeing the Special Olympics getting more funding.

    • @koolaidac
      @koolaidac 7 лет назад +11

      Speedojesus
      It Charity bro

    • @TheRogueMonk
      @TheRogueMonk 7 лет назад +4

      yes the women in the sport are really sepcial

    • @MallNaik
      @MallNaik 6 лет назад +20

      Even the Special Olympics has standards

    • @jmzsil
      @jmzsil 5 лет назад +10

      Even though that’s a funny comment you have that’s almost a insult if not an actual insult to those who are in the Special Olympics. Because even they are smart enough to know “yeah I don’t think so.”

    • @zentao7720
      @zentao7720 4 года назад

      So her are mor special Olymics - right?
      ruclips.net/video/366FtzOMRtE/видео.html

  • @patb5266
    @patb5266 8 лет назад +785

    Pretty bad when the "Athletes" outnumber the audience.

    • @LuisSanchez-cz6bv
      @LuisSanchez-cz6bv 8 лет назад +7

      That was a hell of an observation!!! Good job. Wish I noticed it first. Haha!

    • @patb5266
      @patb5266 8 лет назад +6

      ***** Current Olympics is the same lol.

    • @martinprice8970
      @martinprice8970 8 лет назад +5

      ahahahahaha

    • @LuisSanchez-cz6bv
      @LuisSanchez-cz6bv 8 лет назад +9

      +Pat B You think so? Lol.. maybe.. unless you watch a soccer match, those stadiums fill up! Eat it crossfit! haha..

    • @TheRogueMonk
      @TheRogueMonk 7 лет назад

      its because the atheltes are hte audience

  • @mrkiky
    @mrkiky 8 лет назад +414

    Asian reporter Trisha Trappanawa

  • @doseofreality100
    @doseofreality100 8 лет назад +199

    "Congrats, you won a PE class." Literally laughed out loud on that burn.

  • @WinstonCorneilius
    @WinstonCorneilius 9 лет назад +310

    If I was 15 I would plan on being an orthopedic surgeon. They are gonna be in high demand because of this shit

    • @uchihamadara6024
      @uchihamadara6024 9 лет назад +27

      Imagine how rich their doctors are from them coming in complaining about their 'mysterious' back pain every week

    • @WinstonCorneilius
      @WinstonCorneilius 9 лет назад +8

      +Uchiha Madara and blown rotator cuffs lol. This had to have beaten cheerleading for the dumbest "sport" with worst injuries

    • @uchihamadara6024
      @uchihamadara6024 9 лет назад +22

      OmarsDad a fun little joke is to tell a group of high school girls that cheer is not a sport. watch their estrogen explode

    • @WinstonCorneilius
      @WinstonCorneilius 9 лет назад +1

      +Uchiha Madara HAHAHAHAHAHAHA right!

    • @sereysothe.a
      @sereysothe.a 8 лет назад +10

      +Uchiha Madara i actually thought that until i searched up cheerleading competitions and DAMN that shit is INTENSE
      obviously the competition cheer and the bullshit cheer at football games is different. but DAMN

  • @josemiralrio1746
    @josemiralrio1746 6 лет назад +56

    "San Francisco, a miraculous come from behind" haha 2:46

  • @shaikan0
    @shaikan0 8 лет назад +137

    Truly bizarre event. WTF is this shit?

    • @corridor1142
      @corridor1142 8 лет назад +5

      It's metabolic conditioning brah got a problem?

    • @mikulasriecky6482
      @mikulasriecky6482 8 лет назад +5

      is it for disabled people?

    • @ripperduck
      @ripperduck 8 лет назад +25

      The Snap Your Shit Up Olympics....

    • @blahplayhard4092
      @blahplayhard4092 8 лет назад +2

      It's my fellow bored white people doing dumb white things. If it wasn't this, they'd all be BASE jumping to their certain deaths. So, they're actually pretty smart.

  • @Section8dc
    @Section8dc 8 лет назад +344

    I'm not a cross fit hater, but this much bad technique done fast can't be anything but bad for you:/

    • @TheRogueMonk
      @TheRogueMonk 7 лет назад +26

      crossfit is a religion just realize it

    • @TheNamesDitto
      @TheNamesDitto 6 лет назад +7

      I'm just surprised no one's dead

    • @Nonconformist93
      @Nonconformist93 6 лет назад +1

      Shadow Heart that’s like saying Scientology is a religion.

    • @drexxler138
      @drexxler138 6 лет назад +6

      Dito, several people have killed themselves in CrossFit. Most from dehydration, some from accidents. But that’s nothing in compared to the amount of injuries from crossfit

    • @Nonconformist93
      @Nonconformist93 5 лет назад +1

      Th3Aggr3ssiv3 Cons3rvativ3 cult, religion, who gives a fuck?

  • @LeeTheShogun
    @LeeTheShogun 8 лет назад +250

    cross fit. where the women look like the guys should and the other way round xD

    • @locobadger3376
      @locobadger3376 8 лет назад +11

      I thought I was the only one that noticed that.

    • @TheRogueMonk
      @TheRogueMonk 8 лет назад +1

      yes are the whomen the onlyones cheating ? it looks that way

    • @xMrPapadap0lis
      @xMrPapadap0lis 5 лет назад +1

      Ain't gonna lie some of those women are sexy as fuck. From the back at least.

    • @TrustNJesusChrist
      @TrustNJesusChrist 5 лет назад

      @Rich Homie Tron Who told you this?

  • @krispeabacon8008
    @krispeabacon8008 8 лет назад +127

    I can't believe they televise that overrated gym class event only thing missing was a peg board competition followed by a game of kickball ..

    • @LuisSanchez-cz6bv
      @LuisSanchez-cz6bv 8 лет назад +26

      Dude.. kickball was awesome in elementary school! Too cool for these dip-turds..

    • @hugsavage5286
      @hugsavage5286 8 лет назад +2

      Paul Christopher kickball is badass

    • @carmenmirandajunkie
      @carmenmirandajunkie 6 лет назад

      Add some dodgeball to that mix.

  • @demongo2007
    @demongo2007 8 лет назад +18

    "Congratulations, you just won a PE class." Best summary of crossfit ever.

  • @Ax07605
    @Ax07605 7 лет назад +37

    What is the point of lifting, it's to build your body up, make it stronger lift heavier shit out in the world, and look a certain way. And in comes crossfit were essentially all of that goes out the window instead of lifting to help improve your body you literally race each other like the special Olympics to see who can do the lift the fastest with the most shit form completely destroying what benefit lifting had in the first place. Cross fit is for the failed athlete who couldn't play with the big boys on strong man and competitive lifting and any other real sport.

  • @mrkiky
    @mrkiky 8 лет назад +122

    I wanna become a crossfit instructor just so I can go to new people that sign up and tell them "come on, let me show you the ropes", walk 10 feet with them and say "here they are" while pointing at the ropes. Is this wrong?

  • @CatDaddyJeff
    @CatDaddyJeff 3 года назад +3

    I know I'm 6 years late to the party here, but I find it hilarious that they are sponsored by 'Muir Orthopedic Specialists" - the shirt @ 2:37 fucking lol.

  • @gogopowerrangers1
    @gogopowerrangers1 8 лет назад +134

    Little Chinese women at the Olympics can lift more then that dunce who struggled with 240 lbs OHP lol.

    • @pongo713
      @pongo713 8 лет назад +29

      But still more than you?

    • @gabriel.hongkong
      @gabriel.hongkong 7 лет назад +19

      Because at the real olympics they care about lifting a weight once with good form.

    • @notsober4369
      @notsober4369 7 лет назад +52

      Josh C irrelevant.

    • @nikz9735
      @nikz9735 6 лет назад +12

      Josh C well that guy also weighs like 240 so that’s just a body weight snatch that’s not that crazy

    • @olympicfitness
      @olympicfitness 6 лет назад +10

      Nick Z that's his point. That weight is lifted by women about 60kg...

  • @ihtisham724
    @ihtisham724 8 лет назад +18

    having a normal race would actually bring in more audience lol.

  • @zachjungels6219
    @zachjungels6219 7 лет назад +1

    At least at a spelling bee, your parents wouldn't be embarrassed to show up. "Hey my son is pretty good at spelling," is probably better than, "My son is going to need back surgery by the time he's 30."

  • @virginiaplain100
    @virginiaplain100 8 лет назад +27

    For some reason I can't help but think of that Monty Python sketch Upper Class Twit of the Year.

  • @EnglishClick800
    @EnglishClick800 8 лет назад +39

    "All that history being made and no one around to hear it..."
    Lol.

  • @angrytom1923
    @angrytom1923 8 лет назад +5

    "Rebound box jumps? You mean achilles tendon snaps?"
    XD

  • @giverofzerophux9051
    @giverofzerophux9051 8 лет назад +13

    more people showed up to my spelling bees. funny shit.

  • @skillful101
    @skillful101 8 лет назад +70

    another way of making average people feel special for doing nothing. this is shame to all sports!

    • @RichieAppel
      @RichieAppel 8 лет назад +1

      +Rich Homie Tron Barista Olympics 2017.

    • @CanSansgetsubswithoutvideos
      @CanSansgetsubswithoutvideos 8 лет назад +1

      Khal Drogo I bet even the women here could destroy you in a workout of your choice

    • @robertsaladino
      @robertsaladino 7 лет назад +4

      Khal Drogo you just described sports in general.

  • @nmartin5551
    @nmartin5551 Год назад

    “You won a gym class.” Hilarious!! And the Achilles’ tendon snapping! So true!

  • @milanmilano8550
    @milanmilano8550 6 лет назад +3

    "Im pretty sure thats more efficient to walk on your fucking feet, evolution got rid of the hand walkers long time ago " LOL

  • @Toersk1
    @Toersk1 6 лет назад +21

    The only thing that impressed me was that hand walk, say what you want about crosshiters but that hand walk was really good 👌

  • @omarmuhammad3242
    @omarmuhammad3242 7 лет назад +6

    WOW! RUclips suggesting me old videos of EIF that I have been missed.

  • @CCGS
    @CCGS 6 лет назад

    why are so many people confused about "high intensity workouts"? it doesn't mean go as fast as you can, sacrificing form and safety... it means putting the muscle under a high level of tension, with proper form and no kipping or momentum training. proper form and a steady, slow pace at an appropriate weight for your skill level is the trick... time under tension, and full extension (without locking out the joint...)

  • @DeshmukhAjinkya
    @DeshmukhAjinkya 8 лет назад

    1:39 What is Travis Bagent doing here?

  • @demongo2007
    @demongo2007 8 лет назад +10

    "Burpee-to-Ring Touch"...
    Smhid

  • @danielziegler4876
    @danielziegler4876 8 лет назад +2

    I can't believe you didn't play on San Franciscos "come from behind win" haha

  • @dawsoncarter1160
    @dawsoncarter1160 7 лет назад

    2:51 girl went for high five, guy came in with a hug

  • @hollywood21639
    @hollywood21639 7 лет назад

    What happened to the Reebok CrossFit shoe episode? Can't find it anywhere.

  • @puglord1176
    @puglord1176 8 лет назад +13

    Why is this even a thing, why does anyone do that to them selfs😂

  • @zain1132
    @zain1132 5 лет назад +16

    These guys having bad form and all that is funny but that girl doing the handstand walk is pretty impressive

    • @clootscalhoun9481
      @clootscalhoun9481 2 года назад +2

      This is a Shit On CrossFit Only comment section. Save your compliments.

  • @JoseCamoesSilva
    @JoseCamoesSilva 9 лет назад +2

    Did the announcer really say "San Francisco, a miraculous come from behind…"? (2:50) !Facepalm!

  • @victore8342
    @victore8342 4 года назад +1

    Dude trying so hard to be an intense coach was even more embarrasing than the exercises

  • @problemchild5050
    @problemchild5050 7 лет назад

    “You won a p.e. Class” 😂😂😩 I died

  • @TheSamuraiGoomba
    @TheSamuraiGoomba 8 лет назад +3

    Haha, holy shit those empty seats. They couldn't even hide that with the camera.

  • @pixartgaming5267
    @pixartgaming5267 8 лет назад

    Lmfao couldn't stop laughing great video man glad I found your channel!

  • @incidentalist
    @incidentalist 6 лет назад

    "Shit has me seein red, all those empty seats." LMAO - "GJ, you won a P E class" R O F L M A O

  • @rustyblade9366
    @rustyblade9366 5 лет назад +1

    Alright, even I gotta admit that woman running on her hands across the field there was actually pretty cool.

  • @damianganoe2403
    @damianganoe2403 8 лет назад

    I agree with you that the majority of crossfit lifts and exercises aren't correct or safe; but what is the proper way to preform box jumps?

  • @juliodyarzagaray
    @juliodyarzagaray 5 лет назад +2

    you're hilarious bro. subscribed and liked.

  • @quincytrackclub93
    @quincytrackclub93 6 лет назад

    Judge was screaming like Chef Ramsey. You didnt f*cking cook it!!!

  • @robertjones4931
    @robertjones4931 8 лет назад

    describing this as a PE class like you say is very apt

  • @choriel986
    @choriel986 7 лет назад

    3:08 that's a looooooooooooooooooot of people watching this historic moment :^)

  • @MrGatya2
    @MrGatya2 6 лет назад

    I am only an amateur weightlifter who just learned snatch, but am I correct that neither athletes are using their hip drive when doing the exercise?

  • @yoelrenzo
    @yoelrenzo 8 лет назад +3

    My coach would bleed out of his eyes if he sees those snatches

    • @harleyzeth
      @harleyzeth 6 лет назад +3

      Renzo Ragni The guy who smashed his head, the way he was using his arms to curl the weight off the floor was do cringey

  • @ferdi9621
    @ferdi9621 6 лет назад

    Daamn, it's been a year since I didn't watch any of your videos... Now i remember why

  • @lutherv9433
    @lutherv9433 8 лет назад +10

    I can't believe this is a thing smh.

    • @CanSansgetsubswithoutvideos
      @CanSansgetsubswithoutvideos 8 лет назад

      Luther V I can't believe your parents didn't abort smh

    • @lutherv9433
      @lutherv9433 8 лет назад +10

      Jesse McCree lol did I offend you ? Cross shit is the dumbest thing I've seen in a long time. I bet you do this dumb shit and are proud of it.

  • @wontoonaki
    @wontoonaki 8 лет назад

    how do u drop a bar on ur head, then lift it, and it somehow counts for something

  • @randomcrandom3680
    @randomcrandom3680 7 лет назад +4

    I'm 350lbs 15 years old, not that strong, and have only been working out seriously for two years, but even I know these guys are idiots.

    • @Kyle-ng2tq
      @Kyle-ng2tq 7 лет назад

      GI American Joe must be a type but if thats you in your profile pic you dont rlly look much more than maybe 170ish

    • @marijakiran
      @marijakiran 6 лет назад

      My dude 350 pounds is heavier than kali muscle. Are you sure thats your real weight? Hate to break it to ya but it has to be fat because it is physically impossible for a 15 year old kid weighing 350 to be muscular.

    • @ekzpo3876
      @ekzpo3876 6 лет назад

      Obviously the dude is gunna have fat on him. If he's a genetic freak he might have that D-line look going on where he's just a massive ball of muscle at like 28% body fat

  • @carlosb1
    @carlosb1 7 лет назад

    What is next for crosdfit, batting cages? Haha

  • @lamealex17
    @lamealex17 6 лет назад

    This looks as exciting as watching your laundry... who am I kidding at least there's always a crowd in the laundromat

  • @thomasceruzzi1736
    @thomasceruzzi1736 8 лет назад

    "Congratulations, you won PE" Priceless!

  • @nichts_als_die_Wahrheit
    @nichts_als_die_Wahrheit 6 лет назад

    this people are training themself to go as fast as possible into the emergency room

  • @jmzsil
    @jmzsil 5 лет назад

    You’re honestly a much better Commentator then those are getting paid at this just because you can doesn’t mean you should competition.

  • @JunkDrawerVideos
    @JunkDrawerVideos 8 лет назад

    wait, serious question: why on earth did she hand walk? Was that part of the challenge? Was she doing handstands and kept going... or was it really just that she thought it looked cool (I mean, that's the answer either way but was there something on top of this?).

  • @sarahconner9433
    @sarahconner9433 3 года назад +1

    I don't remember where I was but I heard some body saying "burpy" , I said "what's that?"...they said ;: "OMG!!! ....YOU DONT KNOW WHAT A BURPY IS....?!?!?!!!" I just walked away.....

  • @sicksT6
    @sicksT6 4 года назад

    “San Francisco come from behind” that’s not the only time those dudes from San Francisco came from behind.

  • @maggpi717
    @maggpi717 6 лет назад

    "good job, you won a PE class"...epic!

  • @RenegadeVile
    @RenegadeVile 6 лет назад

    Apparently, it's o-kay!
    Oh god... The guy even looked around uncertain and thinking to himself: Did I get away with that?

  • @lenxvanzyl3133
    @lenxvanzyl3133 8 лет назад

    2:50 "Come from behind" and no joke?

  • @drkRoss89
    @drkRoss89 4 года назад

    After collecting his Participation Trophy, this man got word from his wife's boyfriend he can play his Nintendo Switch until Midnight.
    This was his response: 2:10

  • @MandenTV
    @MandenTV 7 лет назад

    Wow, so nice to see the special olympics get more fans. When will Jason Genova compete?

  • @haris000000
    @haris000000 5 лет назад

    Elgin how am I not suprised you competed in the spelling bee ... Still got more gains there than those schmucks in crossfit.

  • @nicholaslilly4775
    @nicholaslilly4775 8 лет назад

    I literally saw a rogue fitness ad before this video

  • @SuperAussie999
    @SuperAussie999 5 лет назад

    "Good job, you won a PE class" 😂

  • @idk-rr5nf
    @idk-rr5nf 5 лет назад

    I know I may be late but Elgin, I bet you wouldn’t talk smack on PE class to me face.

  • @SwanintheSwamp
    @SwanintheSwamp 8 лет назад

    The only crossfitter I've ever known was a Starbucks barista, saw her working as a trainer at the gym I go to two weeks ago. I started lifting a month and half ago and I've made more gains than she has in a year.

    • @SwanintheSwamp
      @SwanintheSwamp 8 лет назад

      By the way, no supplements other than basic whey protein powder and no more than one scoop (22g protein) a day. I do get more protein from meat, almonds, cashews, peanut butter, etc.

    • @highstax_xylophones
      @highstax_xylophones 8 лет назад +1

      +Isaac Wolstenholm you realize you are posting this to a guy who probably laughs at his own fan's stupidity on the way to the bank...and you act like anyone here is going to care and/or relate to your exaggerated gains.....ha

    • @CanSansgetsubswithoutvideos
      @CanSansgetsubswithoutvideos 8 лет назад +1

      Sadly MyNameIsPrivate it's not all about "gains" they don't want to be super huge

  • @jolierouge2463
    @jolierouge2463 6 лет назад

    What ever happend to the Trapsquatch t-shirt?

  • @Farrrdoos
    @Farrrdoos 6 лет назад

    I aint even fit but even I cringed for those rings

  • @jorgereyes84
    @jorgereyes84 7 лет назад

    1:14... what a disgrace to our solar system!

  • @kurojin97
    @kurojin97 8 лет назад

    XD More people show up to Spelling Bees aaahh hahahaha

  • @caucasianafrican1435
    @caucasianafrican1435 8 лет назад

    Do they test crossfitters for steroids before competitions?

  • @charlessimons4668
    @charlessimons4668 6 лет назад

    Kind of ironic sixpackabs.com advertisements pop up before your video lmao

  • @REDandBLUEandORANGE
    @REDandBLUEandORANGE 5 лет назад

    Why are box jumps bad for Achilles’ tendon
    Can someone explain the mechanics of that to me

    • @AzraelDA01
      @AzraelDA01 5 лет назад

      you basically use them as pogo sticks to catch your body weight after you jump down from the box. going up isn't a problem, but going down like that is.

    • @REDandBLUEandORANGE
      @REDandBLUEandORANGE 5 лет назад

      S Rijnbout
      Don’t you do that when you jump high anyway??

  • @kostyay.4071
    @kostyay.4071 8 лет назад

    This camerawork/editing belongs in a motivational RUclips video, not a sports event coverage. At the very least they could've tried to angle it so that it would hide the fact that >90% seats are empty...

  • @Tmadman19
    @Tmadman19 5 лет назад

    It looks like only close family members are there to see these cringy competitions. I can’t believe how empty the place is

  • @jeffree6996
    @jeffree6996 6 лет назад

    "It is ok. I'm all for these dipshits bouncing weights off their heads" haha dude your burns are golden

  • @rocker816
    @rocker816 8 лет назад

    @2:36 I Lol'ed so bad. A big strong guy, who very easily should be able to pull 500 if he put in any work, struggles to improperly pull 365... Or at least what looks like 365.

    • @gushersrock
      @gushersrock 8 лет назад

      Lol dyel those red plates are 55 and the blue are 45 that 465lb

    • @theBoarSkinner
      @theBoarSkinner 8 лет назад

      465 is still sad for a guy who claims to be super strong and is about 250lbs with about 5-10% bodyfat.
      Bradley Martyn can do 700 and is 260. I'm 16 years old, 210, been lifting for 8 months struggling to keep consistency and can do 365, about 20-25% bodyfat and I dropped from 235lbs with 35% bodyfat in 4 weeks.

    • @TheZooCrew
      @TheZooCrew 8 лет назад

      That dude has pulled over 600 like ass, but he was also on an NFL roster a few years ago. That's why he's huge. Elgin is dead-on when he says this is where washed-up athletes go to die.

    • @CanSansgetsubswithoutvideos
      @CanSansgetsubswithoutvideos 8 лет назад

      TheDarksyder not when you have been lifting almost the whole day and have been doing a lot of extra work

  • @LWLProductions
    @LWLProductions 6 лет назад

    The handstand walking was pretty impressive I thought

  • @richardfancher7524
    @richardfancher7524 8 лет назад

    That looked like Jim Harbaugh on the sideline coaching this mess.

  • @Eccentricplum
    @Eccentricplum 3 года назад

    That coach watches European soccer coaches go off, and wants to be the same.

  • @rexduranzelandony
    @rexduranzelandony 5 лет назад +1

    Crossfit is incoherent as hell. Mixing heavy lifting with cardio and explosive movements is a recipe for disaster. This people are clueless of how the human body works

    • @LORDwalii
      @LORDwalii 4 года назад

      i like the idea of an all around competition. but this.... this is the worst adaptation of that concept.

    • @rexduranzelandony
      @rexduranzelandony 4 года назад

      @@LORDwalii it's fine to do all of it, but not on the same day at the same time

  • @vivh9379
    @vivh9379 8 лет назад

    What about Ninja Warrior?

  • @456japan
    @456japan 8 лет назад

    looks like they got one-way tickets to snap city.....probably on the L4-L5 train......

  • @jeffbrown1829
    @jeffbrown1829 6 лет назад

    Soooooo....wheres your official lifts buddy. I couldn't find one, just hate

  • @byzantineJesusLov3R
    @byzantineJesusLov3R 2 года назад

    Honestly thought this was crossfit, had no idea this was something completely different lmao

  • @quincytrackclub93
    @quincytrackclub93 6 лет назад

    Wait, What?? That wasn't Crossfit??? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ruptures achilles like a duck.......... Oh I forgot ducks have enough sense to not do stupid shit like this.

  • @abe8825
    @abe8825 8 лет назад

    That awkward moment when the only non-white person in the video is a judge and a broadcast member.

  • @456japan
    @456japan 8 лет назад

    what's his name?

  • @tcswag801
    @tcswag801 5 лет назад

    Love the titles !

  • @user-ll7fv6tu7k
    @user-ll7fv6tu7k 7 лет назад

    Congratulations, you won a PE class...lol

  • @a.f.s.3004
    @a.f.s.3004 5 лет назад

    Crossfit is basically “unnecessary” abuse of ones body.

  • @SuperDurv
    @SuperDurv 7 лет назад

    TIL you can use your c-spine and skull to lift weights

  • @lizzzzzzzzzzzzz7233
    @lizzzzzzzzzzzzz7233 8 лет назад

    omg so fucking funny! love your videos :) you from hawaii btw?

  • @agentblack3090
    @agentblack3090 8 лет назад

    "San Francisco come from behind victory..."

  • @lucasrfma
    @lucasrfma 6 лет назад

    Man, why the fuck are you all comparing this to the paralympics (aka special olympics)? i went to the paralympics at rio and those guys deserve mad respect. If you enjoy tennis,try watching wheelchair tennis someday, that shit is beyond impressive, i could not believe it.

  • @TheRogueMonk
    @TheRogueMonk 8 лет назад +7

    how come the women look like men and the men like whomen ...thats eery to say the least