Ken Rosenthal on a potential Las Vegas Ballpark for A's | Fair Territory
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- Опубликовано: 29 янв 2024
- Ken breaks down his recent column with The Athletic explaining his stance on the Oakland A's moving to the Las Vegas stadium, pending permanent relocation.
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This situation feels like the beginnings of MLB's equivalent to the Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes. It's going to drag on potentially for decades. Whatever building they finally settle for in Vegas won't be good enough in 10 years, especially once the NBA expands to Vegas and the A's find themselves 4th in the market with dwindling crowds and a small TV market. Then rinse and repeat the whole "We need a better building"/relocation drama again.
nba doesn't overlap much with baseball unless your team makes a deep playoff run
Right on. The A's time in Las Vegas will be short-lived.
I’ve never seen a relocation this disorganized
The Big 4 major leagues seem to be overestimating the potential of the Vegas market. Vegas is far from your typical city and metropolitan area; it's primarily composed of transplants who work in various service-related industries. Additionally, it's a relatively small TV market that saw its peak growth about six years ago.
There is, however, one exception: the NHL. The NHL made a wise move by being the first to enter the market, establishing a team early on and fostering organic growth. The NHL's approach is smart as they don't hinder the development of expansion franchises, ensuring they become competitive as quickly as possible. The city has fully embraced the team as its own.
In contrast, the NFL appears to have miscalculated Vegas; it may just end up being a quick pit-stop for visiting fans. Once the initial excitement of the new stadium wears off, filling seats could prove to be a challenge. Also, locals have not embraced the Raiders as they view as a 'garbage dump' via Cali and not a local home-grown entity.
Now, both the NBA and MLB are expressing interest in entering the market, despite indicators suggesting a limited appetite for professional sports. Baseball might be the biggest loser in this scenario, as it's hard to imagine fans wanting to spend their time indoors watching 80 MLB games per year. And when it comes to TV viewership, apart from games featuring teams like the Dodgers, interest may be limited.
yeah las vegas as the 40th biggest media market in the country are going to get 4 major sports teams in what a 10-15 year span ... you really think all 4 teams are going to thrive in that city, a city that like you mentioned has a lot of transplants ... and that doesn't include all the entertainment options that many would choose over sitting in a sports venue for 2, 3, 4 hours ... i think at least one & maybe even two teams are going to be left behind in the long run
imo baseball is the least likely to thrive .. vegas is an "event" city and baseball is the least "event" sporting experience out of all the 4 major leagues of the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB ... it has the least amount of on surface action during the game itself and probably more importantly twice as many home games with 81 compared to 41 for NBA/NHL and 8 or 9 for the NFL
and unlike the NBA and especially the NFL imo you're not going to consistent draw opposing teams' fans to a road games in vegas ... i mean are royals, twins, tigers, rays, and many other teams fans on the central or east coast of the USA going to travel to vegas for a monday, tuesday, wednesday 3 game road series in vegas in april, may, june ... good luck with that
imagine the money needed for the 2 way plane tickets, 3 or 4 nights at a vegas hotel/motel, and then tickets for 2, 3, or 4 games for the game itself which will be expensive ... that's thousands of dollars every year for maybe 1 or 2 road trips to vegas ... it's easier for the NBA and NFL fans because it's one or two trips at the most on the road and you can get in and out that same day where you don't need to pay for at least a couple of nights of hotels & etc
this relocation process and the future of the a's in vegas has disaster written all over it
You people seem to think Las Vegas operates by the same rules that every other city does. Having lived here 50 years, I can tell you that it does not. Every casino in town will run junkets from all the the major league cities. They will buy 10,000 or more season tickets. "Come watch your team play on the Fabulous Las Vegas Strip and enjoy a Las Vegas vacation at the same time. Take it from me--the Las Vegas A's will be fantastically successful. @@hc1883
Wow, I read that the Raiders are now the highest valued team in the NFL and that the value has tripled since the move to Las Vegas. Strange!
Locals have a hard time getting Raiders tickets because the hotel/casinos buy them up and offer junkets to the visiting teams fans. The A’s will get 10-20,000 fans a game just from the other team. The Las Vegas A’s will be extremely profitable.@@broker4u
Las Vegas gets nearly 40M visitors a year . . . a lot those are families driving over from Southern California in the Summer. I guarantee that plenty of them will enjoy a game in a climate controlled ballpark. Traditional "TV" is yesterday's news. MLB has already announced that they're moving to their own streaming package. TV revenue will be a very different model in five to ten years. And to think that the Raiders aren't successful is lunacy . . . they are now the third most valuable football team in America ($6.2B), behind Dallas & New England, and seventh most valuable North American sports franchise overall. Keep in mind, Nevada has no state income tax which will lure plenty of veteran free agents to the Athletics . . . when the team becomes more successful, their games will be much more attractive to fans.
increase their payroll while potentially sacrificing 60 mil/yr by leaving the bay area while also claiming a 40 mil yearly loss. how's that going to work?
bingo
Sounds like the federal government... 😂
Meanwhile the owners of the Warriors would buy the A's in a heartbeat.
A new owner would Make no difference in Oakland. There is no place to build and their local TV deal sucks.
If Lacob bought the A’s he’d move them to SF next to chase center.
I would buy my neighbors 1970 GTO Judge … but like the A’s it’s not for sale. 🤔🤔🤔
@@805fillmore ??? Hit yer bong again bruh!!!
@scotttild There are plans in place for Howard Terminal. The amount of money that they received from the TV deal is similar to what the rest of teams in the MLB receive.
MLB really screwed over the Oakland/Northern California fan base with all of this.
MLB?? Are you high. Fisher is the one running the team. He is the one screwing this up.
@@vpolite1 Its the economics of Baseball as I keep trying to explain. A's don't get the revenue that other teams get and are at the bottom of the pile. For MLB to work in Oakland they would have to totally re work the CBA to more of an NFL style where all the TV money gets shared equally and there is a cap that all teams have to stay under. Otherwise there is just no way a team in Oakland can be anything but a very small market team.
fisher screwed them over.
@@scotttild what? oakland gets tons of revenue sharing money, national tv money is split evenly and the A's are printing money while refusing to spend any.
Both of their fans are really upset
Tell em Ken!!! Keep the pressure all the way up on this #StadiumScam !!!!
STAY IN OAKLAND
Good point on the TV deal. Who will have TV rights when they move to Las Vegas?
The TV rights in Vegas will go to the A's and the A's only. Other teams ie the dodgers and angels can broadcast local games in Vegas now because there is no team. Once the A's move to Las Vegas they will get a local TV deal with local broadcasters which will be a lot more then what they are getting in Oakland. The Angels and Dodgers will blacked out in that area. MLB has a national TV deal for national broadcast games, then the teams have local deals. The local deals are not shared equally and that's the main issue with baseball. Teams like the Dodgers, Yankees and Cubs get monster local tv deals and only a fraction of that is shared with the visiting teams. So a team like the A's that say is a road team in NY gets a part of that local deal but only when they are playing the Yankees. I hope that makes sense.
Fisher NEVER had the money to build the stadium at Howard Terminal or the baseball district they sold the people of Oakland on.
He wants a free ride
He seriously has to be the worst owner in baseball
That waterfront plan looked great, and could have led to a rejuvenation of a city that is hurting.
@@ktpinnacleExcept the City didnt own the land and Fisher knew it was an absurd project without getting the land first. The Port was not inclined to sell.
I knew he was tight. But didn't know the inside scoop on land acquisition. Too bad. Great looking project.
Not sure John Fisher could run a Dairy Queen franchise.
Have the A's considered Barstow, CA? We have a lady named Nell who can make damn good Nachos. I can bring a case of beer. We have a nice softball field that needs some work.
"Past performance is an indicator of future performance."
Fisher and Kaval got the stadium they wanted for the San Jose Earthquakes soccer team. In the 10 years since, the Earthquakes have ranked near the bottom in payroll and have been non-competitive.
This is what Las Vegas has to look forward to.......a team that's unwatchable. Meanwhile, Fisher gets to make money from MLB revenue sharing.
sell that team, fisher stinks
He will since the team will be more valuable.
@@danjones2164He won’t, he’s going to cash in on someone giving him the money to pay for the stadium (you the taxpayer) and he’ll still refuse to pay for talent and cash in on the revenue sharing which he’ll laugh at you for overspending on tickets and food.
You think he hasnt thought of that? He did. But he doesnt want to sell it at a loss. The only buyer I can think of is MLB. But Fisher would have to be given first dibs at ownership of a new expansion team, which I cant see MLB doing
spend money? all of this wouldve been avoided had they just done that in the first place.
Based on the national TV contracts that are shared equally, and the pooling of 40% of local revenue, and the A's are a recipient (getting more than they put in), they already start with around $100MM in revenue. Add in the bulk of their TV contract, and the A's should have revenue north of 130 million, without even attempting to put a fan in the ballpark. Why are they allowed to spend so little? Why do the other owners tolerate this?
Well said
This is not going to end well, for the A’s, Oakland, Fisher, or MLB. Time for Congress to revisit MLB’s anti-trust exemption.
Only way that doesn't happen is if the A's stay permanently in my eyes. Congresswoman Barbara Lee (Oakland's Congresswoman) is spearheading the moneyball act which already has bipartisan support. A's move it could become a nightmare
PLEASE CONGRESS
The Courts have already ruled leagues control the movement of a franchise. Even if they lose anti trust they still have control over their own franchises and league. see City of San Jose v MLB.
All fisher has to do is show the attendance numbers dating all the way back to the 70’s. Why should his business have to stay in a crime filled city which doesn’t even support the team?
@@scotttild anti trust is why KC has the royals though. Because it was threatened to be revoked because of the kc mayor at the time the A’s left last time. They are going for something similar
Makes sense that the A’s play seasons 2024-2027 in Oakland due to the TV deal in place.
Fr. That lots of money for greedy cheapass fisher
Didn’t the Nationals play big parts of a couple seasons on Puerto Rico towards the end of the Expos run? As a Braves fan I remember a bunch of game in San Juan.
Yes they did. Back in 2003 and 2004. 22 games apiece.
The Yankees of the Bronx played 2 years at Shea Stadium in Queens while Yankee Stadium was being renovated. I know the same city, but different Borough.
What made that even crazier was that the Jets were still playing there at the time, and even the Giants played there for a year in 1975 while Giants Stadium was under construction.
@@dootuss83 Pete Flynn, the head groundskeeper at Shea when all 4 teams played there must have gone crazy attempting to keep the field playable for all 4 teams.
I don’t see fisher spending $400-$500mil in a free agent superstar 🤣
They need to put a team in North Carolina.
Both Las Vegas and Salt Lake City have nowhere the population that a tram in Charlotte or Raleigh-Durham could draw from.
Carolina Copperheads 🤔. But seriously for a moment thought it would be the Raleigh Ray's until Tampa seemingly got everything squared. There is a huge MLB dead space between Atlanta and Washington DC ..
Sound like someone who has never been to Salt Lake City, its booming
they will never spend a dime
Due to Covid, of course, the Blue Jays played many home games in Buffalo beginning in June 2021. Also, Kenny, it was a little before your time, not mine, but when the A's were still in Kansas City, Charlie Finley TWICE announced he was moving, once to Louisville (fell through) and once to Dallas (also unsuccessful). I share your skepticism.
So basically, it all depends on if the New Mexico market wants to follow the Diamondbacks or the A's
I live in NM and I can tell you that there are many more D-Backs fans here than A's fans.
Fisher only knows how to lie.
Players have families and want to have a solid home front. No way can they attract players being on the road for 3+ years.
I have been a lifelong Oakland A’s fan. I saw my 1st game in 1970. If Fisher and MLB make this farce happen, I’m am DONE with MLB baseball.
New owner or MOVE the team. Oakland is DONE with Fisher
It would be crazy if the A’s went to Oracle Park and ended up making the playoffs ( I know a miracle), and the Giants were to make the playoffs.
Watching baseball in Vegas in July sounds horrible, unless they build a domed stadium. But then you’re watching baseball indoors, and you lose the aesthetic experience of having the Strip be the backdrop. I don’t see it working there.
I don’t know why any non-legacy fan would ever root for a John Fisher owned team. It’s one thing if you’re an existing As fan and Fisher bought the team but imagine living in Vegas and deciding to root for such a depressing franchise. Must be the same people who bought PT Cruisers when they were new.
The A’s are like In-N-Out Burger. Right now they’re in, then they’ll be out, then back in again.
Except In-N-Out Burger is privately owned from supply chains to storefronts. They aren't a franchise conglomerate like the major sports league teams.
Except In-N-Out puts out a great product 😂
Salt Lake TV Mkt is #27 & Sacramento # 20. SF & Oakland combine to make #10. So the A's would not be losing 'All of that TV $$$." Both of the leading 3 year temporary TV Mkts are larger than Las Vegas. This way the A's build that smaller LV Fan Base.
I was an Oakland A's fan for decades until the recent owner did everything possible to turn it into a minor league club. Yes, it's time for the A's to find a new home. vegas would probably be as good as anywhere else. Hopefully, the sooner the better. BTW, the A's could have built a new stadium but they insisted that the city pay a huge percentage of the cost. That would be nuts.
Need a Cleveland browns Baltimore Ravens situation really. Have Fisher go to Vegas and change the name and branding so Vegas is almost like an expansion team. And then in the future of new Owners what to revive the A’s in Oakland and build the waterfront park and work with the city better they can just like how the Browns got revived by new owners. Manfred and the league office need to do this. If this happens then Nashville could get the 32nd team and be part of the NL. For sure the Vegas club should be in the same division as the revived A’s that would be a new golden rivalry. Baseball needs to do this but Manfred probably won’t. Oh well
That's a very good idea. I think this could work. John Fisher has to go!
@@DougThompson I wish man I wish
There will be no new teams until this is over with the Rays situation is not exactly a done deal yet either
Thank you guys so much for the coverage many others seem to pass over. Fisher is a fraud and is an embarrassment to MLB
I live in Reno, why would the D-Backs do anything for the A's by letting them play at their AAA park here?
An MLB team belongs in N.O.. I know it's not the "best city" or whatever but damn they have entire counties... In that state dedicated to the sport. It's a SUPER baseball factory! And we deserve a team.
Move the team to a up and coming city. If not Vegas, go to Sacramento, Salt Lake, Nashville, or San Antonio. Oakland can’t even keep In and Out in the city, how can they expect to keep the A’s!
When even Vegas isn't on board with having the A's, you know it's messed up.
The A’s have always moved west from Philly to KC, then to Oakland. Next stop Anchorage or Honolulu? Or maybe Auckland or Adelaide? The alliteration options are endless. Somewhere Connie Mack and his white elephants are “trumpeting”.
how about Nagasaki or Hiroshima?
The Raiders have the NFL. VGK are "Vegas Born". Those are both big factors in their popularity. The A's will have nothing like that.
Build a new stadium for Oakland A's best seats about 20 to 23,000 that would be a perfect size Major League ballpark cuz that's going to happen in the future teams are going to downsize their stadiums in the future
My fear is this whole deal with moving to Vegas never happens. The Trop has to be torn down first so we can build, the company that owns it is broke. What happens to the A's when this deal as we currently knows it falls apart? When does the league step in and take over the team, a team that could have no where to play. What happens then?
to be fair to vegas trop has a closing date. first week of April was announced yesterday.
Don't worry. If any place in the world has expertise in blowing up the old and building the new, it's my home town. This is going to happen. I just hope that the A's are more committed to winning that the Raiders--and I think they are. The baseball world will be amazed at how successful Las Vegas is as a Major League city.
@@andywindes4968 that wasn’t a “this is a good thing for baseball” that was a “trophy has a closing date”. Moving to Vegas is gonna be horrible. Fisher gonna have to build the base back up cause no fan from the bay following him. Not even mentioning the tv markets and how they are leaving the 6th market for the 40th, will still be on revenue sharing, won’t own their stadium like they would in oakland, still don’t have plans for after 2024… shall i go on. Also the line of “are we alive back there vegas” after fisher talked to his major donors spoke volumes to how great a baseball city vegas will be for the A’s 😂. The sound of deafening silence.
@@brycelynds3768 did not know that. Thanks
@@andywindes4968lol fisher committed to winning. You must be a comedian
Why no force Fisher to sell and new owner build at HT.
Toronto played in Buffalo NY during the Canadian lockdown
Where did the Blue Jays play home games in 2020? Or 2021?
Was it Buffalo?
@@ChadBest-ug8uoSpring training facility Dunedin FL
Why don't the Big Four major sports leagues require teams to pool money into a stadium fund that any team can use to build a new stadium?
why would they when they can screw the taxpayers?
Salt Lake seems like a more loyal fan base than Vegas would be
Let A’s play in London and pray somebody serious buys club before they move anywhere else.
Hear me out (great work Ken, btw) what if the city allows Mr. Fisher to play at the Coliseum RENT FREE until the the new park in Vegas is ready, in exchange for Mr. Fisher re-branding the franchise. Can open it up to Vegas residents, have a contest, whatever....Give the franchise a Vegas name. Then - Oakland can get an A's - reboot under a different owner (Lacob?)
It makes the most sense for win-win-win - for Fisher, for Oakland, for MLB, for Vegas.
RENT FREE! C'mon, that's a sweet deal.
This has definitely been brought up and recommended by quite a few of us in the Bay Area (not exactly playing rent free but perhaps keeping their measly $1M annual rent). But Fisher/Kaval want to drag the A's past accomplishments (that neither had anything to do with) to LV to showcase they're "bringing a winner" to town.
@@stu4313 Yeah, to be fair, I get why weasel Kaval and Mr. Burns, I mean Fisher would want to come in fresh into town (LV) with the A's brand - for 1 - it's cheaper than needing to secure copyright fees and all the things associated with a whole new team design & logo.
Not saying I like it, but I can understand (still don't agree it's the best thing to do).
It seems to be the only way all sides can achieve something resembling a win.
But you're right Oakland wouldn't let him use the facility rent free (although if he agreed to leave team name & heritage here, he won't, but if he did, that would be a fair trade)
Name and brand is worth millions. Ok stay and play for free, saving millions.
Sigh. I'm very sad about the whole thing. I could use a hug. 😢😣
thats what Mayor Thao i think is holding over Manfred right now. Maybe not rent free, but at a cheaper deal than this current lease 100%, and they play in Oakland while BOTH HT, and the Trop Ballpark (which now could be somwhere else) get built.
@@brycelynds3768 Man... I hope you're on to something. I'm desperate. Perhaps I'm being overly critical, but I have this feeling that Mayor Thao is over it and is kind of relieved the team is leaving. I mean, I want to be wrong about that. I would LOVE to know she (or her administration) is fighting, clawing, doing all that they can, to try to preserve the A's in Oakland, sadly, unfortunately, I don't get that vibe from her and seems like she's willing to accept this dreadful fate. Again, to emphasize, I WANT to be wrong about this. Willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, God knows I am... Just a rookie mayor going up against billionaire & MLB... Sigh... Don't like our chances. Prove me wrong mayor. I will readily sing your praises....
@@someguy7222Oakland wants to have her impeached due to her horrible job as a mayor.
This whole situation is so stupid
And it’s the fault of the A’s, the Giants, & MLB
Jay's just played 2020 in Buffalo
There must be a team in Vegas to stop the cable money going to the LA doghairs...ANY team
John Fisher needs to sell the team he doesn't care about the fans
Raiders have at least doubled in value since moving to Vegas. So be skeptical all you want they are moving.
If we look back on it, John Fisher's has been dealing in bad faith, and planning to move the team all along. The team's stadium proposals in Oakland have been farcical. The team unilaterally decided that they would build on the spot of an active community college in the center of the city. Then the decided decided that they would build a stadium in the middle in one of the biggest shipping ports in the US.... Given that he's having a hard time raising money for a Las Vegas stadium, my $0.02 is has "liquidity issues". I don't think the team is staying in Oakland, but I wouldn't be shocked if Fisher loses the team. Similar things have happened recently. Frank Mccourt was forced to sell the Dodgers. MLB stepped in and bought the Expos from Jeffrey Loria
Vegas has a great AAA stadium. They’ll figure out the conflict with the Aviators
The "A" s are a baseball team..................................................... 😮 Lost In Place 😮 : Danger , danger ⚡ Will Robinson !!!!
There is an MLB ballpark in Arlington. Why is that not an option?
1) I heard that the renovations to turn it into a soccer/ football stadium have taken their ability away to host baseball. 2) I don't think the Rangers want to share their territory with anyone for the 1st time ever.
@@HHSGDFootballJPD The rangers market is bigger than the Bay Areas.
@@805fillmore Whether the market is large enough to be split isn't the crux here; it's would I want potential ticket and concession sales and ad opportunities to go to someone else. And I don't see why the Rangers would want to share, especially with an AL West rival.
@HHSGDFootballJPD There isn't going to be 2 teams that play across the street from each other in the same city
@@michaelleroy9281 they could and they wouldn’t be dead last in attendance like Oakland.
Why on earth didn't you consider Allegiant Stadium? It's the absolute most obvious fit. I've been in Las Vegas for over 20 years and there is absolutely no good reason, except Mark Davis' disdain for John Fisher and the A's, for this not to happen. It's the simplest and most obvious solution. A little surprised that it hasn't occurred to anyone.
Major league sports have dusted Oakland bigtime for some reason.
I hope they find a way to stay in Oakland. But If they leave Oakland, bring them to Salt Lake City.
MLB should deny relocation of the A’s but vote to put an expansion team in Las Vegas. That’s a double win for MLB if they want a team in Las Vegas at some point. IMO, an MLB team is Las Vegas is a stupid idea. 1. nobody wants to watch baseball in a dome which it would have to be 2. Las Vegas is not large enough to support 80 baseball games a year in a large stadium. Hockey works because it’s a smaller venue and fans are more passionate about their home NHL team than a baseball fan. 3. Attendance at MLB games is declining anyway.
I don't think LV is a viable MLB market. They already have the Knights and Raiders. Eventually, they'll get an NBA team too. I'd move the team to SLC. They'd only be competing with the Jazz for local attention.
I think they should move to Little Rock Arkansas call them the Little Rock a
I'm not a big fan of baseball and I think the A's move to Vegas is a foolish decision. They are planning to construct a new stadium which will be the smallest in the entire Major League Baseball. Also, it's surprising that they are not considering the extreme heat waves that Las Vegas experiences in the summer. It's similar to the hot summers in Phoenix, so it doesn't make sense to not build a retractable roof just like the Diamondbacks have done. They have it for a reason it gets over 100 degrees in the summer, which is no different in Vegas. It's absolutely ridiculous to expect fans to sit in the open sun and watch a game. I am baffled as to why MLB is allowing this move to happen.
They should move to Utah
Moving the A's to Las Vegasis a recipe for disaster!
Billionaire sports owners should pay for their own stadium, and stop the corporate welfare crap.
Portland is the perfect match
Is he forgetting the Expos in Puerto Rico?
The Expos played a couple of series in Puerto Rico for a couple of years. They didn’t play an entire season in Puerto Rico.
The TV contract gives more incentive for the A’s to move to the State of Utah.
A whole State for MLB baseball which can lead to the Eastern side of Nevada getting a share of fans. To which, can lead to a fanbase in Nevada.
The problem with the A’s in Northern California is that the Giants dominate this market.
I’m from Nor Cal but I see Utah getting the A’s.
Oakland fans deserve so much better. Fisher has intentionally dissolved this team to try and force the taxpayers to fund him a dream park. Had he been patient he would have a beautiful stadium at Howard Terminal. This fan base will and has supported this team, through thick n thin.
Fisher is a horrible business man and an incompetent owner. Vegas already sees through his line of bull and the Nevada taxpayers don't want to fund this billionaire and his AA run team. Tourists won't pay to attend a team that fields young unproven players.
Fisher needs to be forced to sell to Oakland area buyers and ride off in the sunset....leave the A's in Oakland where they belong!
Let em play on Alcatraz Island 🏝️ maybe even permanently.
Nothing gets a new fan base more excited then a tightwad owner courting a state/city with no plans to make it happen or any reason to get said state/city interested.
The Raiders don't have the fan base in Vegas like they did if you watch there games it's 50/50 on fan base so do the As think there going to get 50/50 fan base like the Raiders in there?
The A's, MLB and Fisher screw up this move. Las Vegas does not want this team.
It's amusing and rather odd how certain ideologues are desperate to find anything to justify the team remaining in Oakland. They see this as a political battle with the A's moving to Las Vegas as a victory for the opposition.
The A's organization is a hot mess 😂
There is nothing hot about them
I've been watching professional baseball in Las Vegas since the Stars opened old Cashman Field in 1983. The current AAA field, Las Vegas Ballpark, is brand new and very, very nice. It could easily be upgraded to seat around 12,000 fans, and it would easily sell out every game. With some work, it could seat even more. I don't think major league players would have the slightest problem with playing there. Fifty years of living in Las Vegas have taught me there is no such thing as a "sure thing" when it comes to gambling, but I would bet my lunch money that the A's will be playing in Las Vegas in 2025.
Sell the team, keep the A’s in Oakland. Everyone’s happy
The A's will go on the contraction block after Fiaher sells back the team to MLB. Manfred will then consolidate the franchise with the Giants. That leaves an open slot for a new expansion team. Same thing will happen to KC & Tampa Bay, Arizona. The MLB schedule wouldnt be balanced for over 30teams.
Major League Baseball is not going to play with 29 teams last time I checked that is an odd number you want to talk about scheduling problems there you go right there 28 teams could be in action one day and one team is going to have to take a series off? absolutely not they cannot put together one expansion teams together all that fast Colorado Rockies and Florida Marlins were awarded in 1991 they didn't start playing until 1993 Arizona Diamondbacks and Tampa Bay Rays were awarded in 1995 didn't play until 1998
@@michaelleroy9281 no no what I meant was, once MLB completes the contraction process, the A's slot would then be open for the expansion city. If the A's final yr be 2027, Vegas comes in 2028. The more teams you add, the harder itll get for teams to chase the division crown since theyre asked to sacrifice more intradivisional games. Balanced schedule is only suitable for 30 teams. No more, no less
Fisher and Kaval have made the once great Oakland A's into a laughing stock.
You’d think MLB would’ve learned something from the Milwaukee Braves fiasco in 1965. Never subject a franchise to a lame duck scenario. All it does is devalue a franchise. It’s so incredibly stupid.
lol Ken said 2 professional teams...even the pro writers think the WNBA is not a pro league
Las Vegas is getting scammed by Mr Fisher!
This proposed move makes no sense
There is no way fans will show up there in the summer unless it's indoors. But baseball wants to get away from indoor only facilities. LV is balking at the expense of a removable roof. Salt Lake City has 2.5x the fan base, and way better weather. I don't understand why that's not a consideration from a business standpoint.
theres more money to be made in vegas. manchild has already referred to the town as another asset in their portfolio. salt lake just doesnt have that cache. at least not yet.
@@dimwit818 I wonder if beer would be allowed in the Salt Lake stadium.........or even beer advertising. Just wondering.
The Salt Lake Valley (Salt Lake City, Ogden, Provo, Sandy, West Valley City, etc.) and Las Vegas have very comparable markets, about 2.5 million each. Both of these are far smaller than the number of people a team in North Carolina could draw from.
@@willp.8120 for sure Salt Lake City is better than Oakland but Vegas has the edge over SLC. Think about that fanbase. It’s all white people.
The idea of going to Vegas is too entrenched in the minds of Fisher and his minions. What they ignore is they need to get a stadium, they need to build the right Stadium, and that the people in Vegas are not stupid. They won't back this team if it is run on the cheap. The tourists coming into town to watch their team is not business model that is real reliable. And it is sad.
Salt Lake would love to have a team. But not sure they would like this owner. The guy has run the team into the ground
Oakland sucks as a city and their leadership is worse .. They’ve already lost the Raiders and the Warriors, and the A’s are smart to leave as well….
Rob manford and MLB should be ashamed about how they're handling the A's. Absolute clown show going on. I would be embarrassed as a player or any professional to play or be associated with that franchise unless John Fisher sells the team. #Sell FU John Fisher. #Boycott gap and Old Navy
Nobody actually believes he’s gonna spend the money. Lol
Kinda feels like Fisher wants MLB to buy this team so he can wash his hands of it. He's a horrible owner.
This dude is going to sell the team within 10 years of getting to Vegas, If it even happens
Just go to San Jose. MLB tell the Giants to F off.
Wrong Rosenthal ! The Milwaukee Braves were lame ducks the last year before they moved to Atlanta,
Pure poison owner needs to look at what John Angelos just did and follow along. BYEEEEEE
It just stinks!
Trying to understand what you’re saying. The A’s are not being logical, but what do you think is actually going to happen? They can’t stay in Oakland. That means they have to go somewhere else, right?
OK, but where?
They certainly can stay in Oakland. They were 90 plus percent done on a deal last spring. The mayor has said theyre welcome back to the table anytime.
Whole thing is ridiculous. Why is Manfred giving the worst owner in baseball so much support? Even lying on his behalf to help push this thing through. Please stay on this story. Something very untoward is really behind this poorly conceived plan.
@@gregjensen370Salt Lake City. They really want the As and fisher could actually get something done there.
@@tomandrews2887Oakland and the A's were never close to a deal.
The Fish(er) stinks from the head down....