Question how a person imagination effects imaginary energy but what if happen someone lacks a imagination effect imaginary energy trying to use it, by force or not.
There was one part where Sunday was sitting in a confessions booth listening to the people confess their sins and that references confessionals in Catholicism
Obviously, after all, this man has an halo, the wings and his entire character story is about him trying to usurp god only to be sent to "hell" like Lucifer
I dunno if anyone pointed it out but as a Catholic I was instantly able to see the reference in Agnus Aeon soundtrack to Angus Dei prayer (Latin for Lamb of God.) Also it is fun to see Shaoji use Christian elements in the story after Elysia in honkai impact 3
The important thing to understand about Sunday is that he is NOT a Villain, and he does not want people to suffer. He thinks that the way to help everyone is putting them in "cages" like he did with that one bird in the past, but of course the way he tries to do it was not the correct way and was very chaotic, he should probably work with Robin to find a way that they can find Order while they also find Harmony
There is no way like you said At best robin can do is create a nation where most of people have happy But there is no way everyone can get happy , and the universe is not just penacony Sunday want everyone happy not just people in penacony And that is what robin can’t do
yes he is a villain a realist one the real villains don't tel you they wan to hurt you real villains make it seam they have everyone best interest at heart thats how tyrants are made.
As someone who is born and raised in a Roman Catholic household, I understand what Sunday was going through and why he believes so, he is a pastor or priest, someone who can instill hope and salvation for the people that confess for their "sins" to him. In reality, they just push onto their faults without them moving past them. They just let their human faults take over. But I don't agree with the salvation of paradise he sought for, to create a world that free of suffering and human foley, a cage is but a cage, if he removes all of that suffering, then us humans won't know how to live with it, we'll still drown of our own suffering without external forces. We beget suffering as questioning and pondering the meaning of our existence, even we are in a glided cage. Which is why Order isn't the path of salvation, it's tyranny. To force someone without their conscious choice, to prey on their misfortune under the banner of "harmonic salvation" and simply put it this way: indoctrination. The act of believing in a lie without question, robbing the beauty in creation- the ability to ponder the meaning of it all. His name refers as the final day where God rest after the creation of everything: Does his named means that creating this paradise, would he lay bare under the banner of salvation he has created or was it to give himself a break from the darkness that plagued him. Sunday, the day where the sun comes beckoning. The day where it's at the brightest, and he was loved by The Family and the most arrogant in believing what he's doing is right: The morning star descends on the Garden and tempted others to astray. P.S: I haven't finished the quest yet, but I wanted to share how I want to debunk Sunday's philosophy, and haven't played the video yet.
Nope, there is no human fault in here I think you misunderstand the quest Sunday see the core of the problem, what cause human suffer And that is not evil That is the nature rule The rule about strong live, weak die. The rule about living being need property to live The rule about the strong can take away any thing from the weak And what sunday want is create a world where human not must to obey nature rule
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 Oh really? Then why Sunday gotten worked up over the arrogance and cowardice of humanity? Why is he so fixated in protecting people from their suffering and misery brought by external forces and determined by their self-worth? The more people are exploited by the strong, their own value, which in turn is their future, their own worth will be diminished over time. If I misunderstood the quest line, then the video and the content would be pointless to talk about? The natural rule is our ability to ponder the meaning of it all, our suffering, our joys and harmonious connection. All of it, is our human rule. He is simply stripping free will from us, yes our original sin for why the originators of humanity: Adam and Eve left there, because they violate that rule from God, because the knowledge and the will to make their own choices to live outside the garden. Even though God exiled them, which is why Penacony is the land of Exiles.
@@asbolusarawn5433 nope Strong live, weak die is nature rule Human society not escape that rule, we try to bend it by law and moral but at the end even law and moral can’t change it Even the aeon obey that rule too since stronger aeon can kill weaker aeon Living being need property to alive, the standard about alive of human could be different than animal but we bounded by it same like animal unless we become like the aeon who don’t need those thing The rule about the strong can take away anything of the weak is what even the aeon can’t not escape because we see many time the mortal suffer from the action of the aeon So no one can escape nature rule, even the aeon can’t
Penacony after 2.2, gave me major persona 5 royal flashback. Sunday being Maruki, well except seeing him as a kind therapist, and more crazed, but yeah. Safe to say they wanted people not to suffer, but would become their dictator. What is reality, if you aren't even in control of it.
There’s also the scene when he was questioning the dreammaster and he was asking him the some of the the Ten Commandments and also when he was hearing the people of penaconys sins in what looked like a confessional and was forgiving them of their sins just like how a priest does the same in real life.
Its not surprising Penacony is clearly inspired by America and Harmony in its concept is the closest thing they have to christianity, they believe in helping and protecting the weak, selflessness and many other very traditionally christian values. But sunday in both his ideology and aesthetic (Grand Theater is the best example) screams Soviet Union The soviets had similar goals to that of sunday. Take away your freedom and liberty of choice in exchange of building the utopia they see fit. The Architecture of the Grand Theater looks exactly like the Grandiose buildings made during the Soviet era, like the Supreme Soviet or the 7 sisters in moscow! And even the puppets dancing in baley positions (which was VERY popular in the soviet union and symbolism of times of troubles, baleys were for example played in most TV channels and radios for example when the Communist party tried to restore ORDER to the soviet union) And generally speaking the whole aesthetic surrounding sunday screams Atomic heart (which is also inspired from 50s soviet aesthetic)
I actually stand with Sunday on his take of the world. This world is full with hateful people who are strong and can control the weak. Without the help of someone as strong as Sunday, these people will continue to live in the darkness and die in it. Reality isn't an anime. The power of friendship doesn't exist in it
@@playworld2.017And what exactly will your "will" help you achieve when you are a blind or paralyzed person? It would be WAY more important for these people to see, move and live like normal human beings than having "will"
Nah man he just an egocentrical piece of shit who thinks he is above everyone else and only he can provide them with the "paradise" Like literally dude doesn't stop talking about "self worth" like bro is so fixated on his value and how he is the best shit and how his decisions lead to others happiness when literally it only makes them ignore their problems
So meaning if you support Sunday's plan, then you won't try to think for yourself about it. Let's say about your comment, you still think about others, you though about the power of friendship and the darkness of it all, you're still pondering the suffering of it all, that means you still have free will; to think about others and their opinion on the matter. So if you really support it, you shouldn't advocate your opinions on the matter, just follow his words and heed to them. That you still follow Sunday's philosophy and if he tells you that is your order is to die in the darkness, you'd do so without hesitation, because you are under the banner of Order. Everything is perfect as you believe it so. You're merely an indoctrinated puppet.
@@asbolusarawn5433 well the argument about this topic happen very long ago Until to day, people still thinking what they should choose Free will or happy life Of course people want both but unfortunately that is what not happen If you choose free will, there is no guarantee happy life will come to you If you choose happy life, you give up freedom for your will
Omg this is so in-depth and while I did make a reddit post a while ago about the imagery, you caught onto a lot of points I totally missed! I would like to add though that the enemies the past, present, and eternal show can perform have lyrics from silent night, such as "all is bright." (idk how I noticed at 2x battle speed but I think sunday possessed me or smth) And also another thing about his boss fight is that there are some actions he can perform whose names are in German, and are an allusion to Goethe's Faust. They appear as Faust struggles with translating the first verse of John 1 in the bible. They include "im anfang war das wort," "im anfang war die tat" and "im anfang war die kraft." Anyways I hope you don't mind that I shared some of my observations under your video!
Another important thing that I would like to mention is the name of the very last quest you must complete in order to finish the Penacony story: "And on the Eighth Day..." Giving it this name was basically the only way for the writers to show that the protagonists defy the very essence of the Order's religious teachings and philosophy, which are, of course, based on the concepts and ideas we know from the Bible. Basically that means that our heroes defy Ena's - or God's - world order by making the holiest of all days obsolete and unnecessary, starting their new life on their - eighth - day and obtaining true freedom both for themselves and Penacony. While I think that the execution was done really well, as a Christian, I'm deeply disappointed that MiHoYo has become another company to treat everything related to God as something 100% evil and irredeemable. Even Persona 5 was rather subtle with its core idea, trying to empasize the fact that the deity we're fighting before the end of the game was the Gnosticism iteration of God. But there is basically no way to treat the Penacony story as something even remotely positive or at least neutral towards Christianity. As a gamer and someone who, I hope, is capable of admiring decent storytelling, I think that Shaoji did a really good job with Penacony. But, as a Christian, I feel nothing but disappointment. I was afraid of MiHoYo touching upon those topics the moment I started playing the game. And it happened way sooner than I had expected.
I've gotten used to these anime games constantly portraying Christianity as evil, Final fantasy does it as well. I think it might be a cultural or regional thing since Christianity isn't practiced as much in Eastern countries, so it's perverted and misconstrued in these types games.
I completely disagree with your interpretation and the idea that Star Rail is anti-Christianity. Sunday is explicitly stated to not be loyal to either Xipe/Harmony or Ena/Order. He is only using the power of the Aeons to achieve his own aims. To your point about the eighth day, it is Sunday that is trying to upset the existing order of seven days in a week in order to freeze time on the seventh day (Sunday). Sunday is a very clear Lucifer figure who attempts to position himself as a sort of "god" over the rest of humanity, and this is clearly framed in the story as wrong, leading him to be defeated by the protagonists. You can also view Sunday as someone who was very religious but ultimately lost faith, leading him to take matters into his own hands. If you're curious about that interpretation I recommend Luna Wilde's video on Sunday. Overall, Harmony represents modern Christianity, while Order represents ancient Christianity and/or heretical sects such as Gnosticism. The Order is stated to be "absorbed"/adapted into the Harmony and is never fully rejected. Robin is basically a Christian popstar/missionary, it is clearly shown that her goal is to spread the Harmony through her music. So overall I would say HSR is more pro-Christian than not.
The use of Christianity inspired themes put a sour taste in my mouth (as a Christian) only because when it was revealed, I kinda thought it was cast in a negative light. As a protestant, their is more freedom in our faith which is boiled down to Jesus is the only way, Jesus being the bridge between us and God, and that Jesus wants us to come to Him of our own free will. The only reason why I didn't riot was because the flavour of the representation was more Catholic than protestant. And how controlling Catholicism has been ober history I can see how it would resonate with the Order.
Well, they have to be "negative" because of the CCP, because Christianity is illegal over there, but never forget, the underground Church in China is enormous.
So you're ok with the representation because it doesn't offend your denomination? Also, if you think Catholicism is about control, then you have a pretty warped view of it.
@@GuyInHisOwnWorld From outside, it does seem pretty controlling. Maybe not as controlling as say Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormons, but I've heard things that give me concern. Like how, if you stray, but then shape up again and rejoin, you're not accepted like you once were. And the whole Vatican thing and the libraries worth of church history that's sealed away. I mean, protestantism is not perfect. Things waver between churches and denominations. Catholics killed protestants in the past and protestants killed catholics. A lot of protestant churches have strayed into the dangers of "the prosperity gospel", and some have turned into thinly veiled cults. But a lot of good protestant churches exist and all that comes to mind when I think of catholics is judgement, that catholics only seem to be Christian on Sundays, and the whole Praying to Mary, mother of Jesus instead of praying to Jesus! We should only pray to Jesus, not Mary. Nowhere in the standard, non-catholicised Bible does it say that Mary is the bridge between us and God or us and Jesus. Catholicism is extremely regimented. And now its becoming more liberal, but that hasn't stopped the rules and traditions that actively works against the "love your neighbor as yourself" (being kind to those around you") or being the "salt of the world". That doesn't mean I dislike anyone who is Catholic. J.R.R. Tolkien is my favourite author, and Father Brown is one of my favourite mystery series. But to someone from the outside, Catholicism seems controlling.
You’re comment is actually a very fitting example of what Sunday was talking about… You only didn’t give into your desire from anger because you felt it justifiable that from your perspective it was tearing down something you didn’t value… the strong taking down the weak because of sheer convenience… words may not show how this idea is destructive but it really does show itself in reality I’m not a religious guy… but it kind of felt obvious to notice how fitting that is
the 1 detail are not comment, is at the moment on the lore, Sunday is Cleric design and at the moment the people are confess their sins this is other detail of the crystianims religion
That's not christianism , that's catholicism Quite literally sins should not confess sins to some one else, only to god , since only they are the ones that would forgive them ,
@@vergil9981 is possible because on ghe christianism are soo variants ( on my country is the catholicism) but i didn't know of the protestants and the other roots are the similar
@@rengokiri that's just a fk lie , they are way different on how they handle themselves , catholics are literally the biggest lie as a religion they delivertly use the the fate of god for their own self interest , not to mention they also have saints and stuff like that which is straight up herecy Christianism is way different at its core , it only beliefs in god nothing else nothing more , is simple just like and straight no strings attached
@@rengokirino it's not, original Christianity came from around 30 a.D, the Catholic church only came to exist around the 4th century when Rome accepted Christianity as the State religion. It was never about symbols (such as the Dove, blond Jesus, A bearded Old Man in a chair as God The Father, crosses, Holy Water, Globus Cruciger, et cetera)like it is in the Catholic church. The original Jesuits (not to be mistaken with the Catholic missionaries) were being persecuted by the Roman Empire (that became Catholic later on) until around 380 a.D.
Leaving 5 years old blind Tommy alone without any help to protect himself against this cruel world sounds like a great idea. Why would we give him a happy life, if we can leave him to suffer
@@shallot7697 The point never is about did you should try to achieve happy life or give any one happy life But happy life is not a guarantee thing and can’t happen with everyone A world only exist happy is just a broken world with many problem come with the factor “ happy for every one”
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 I doubt Tommy agrees with that. The only thing Tommy would want is to live like a normal human being and be able to see. He doesn't care about whether it is a broken dream or not. Firefly herself is a prove to this point, because in the first arc of this story she admitted that she is way happier in the dreamscape because it allows her to live normally like other people. But then she started her anime protagonist speech in the last arc acting as if life is an anime where the power of friendship can help you
@@shallot7697 in the first contact she feel happy with dreamscape yes She still not deny it But it only is first impression when she can do what she can’t do in reality the first time But she not want to achieve it only in dream Because at the end , dream is just dream, doesn’t matter how goos it is, it still fake What she want is a real achievement, she not want a illusion come from dream She not even need it need to be perfect like dream What she really want is a result in the real world, not just a illusion in dream
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 an illusion is still something at least. In reality she would achieve NOTHING (without the power of friendship, which doesn't exist in reality). She will just continue on dying slowly until she disappear. I doubt anyone would want that over an illusion where they are living happily
He quite literally is not a christianism , quite the opposite is catholicism You shouldn't confess to another only to god , clerics are quite literally catholics , his idea of paradise is also catholic as its core, Christians know that god came to earth and died for our sins , they know they are gods childs , that all the wrong in this world is planted by the enemy, beacuse life in on itself is one of the greates gifs god give us , quite literally running away from the problem and not face it is not christianism
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 they do not, they literally go to him If they were to confess to xipe , they could had done it anywhere and everywhere even on the shower
@@vergil9981 they talking to him because he is connection between they and xiphe Do what you said is just talking with the wall Only special person like sunday can send message to aeon Normal people can’t talking with the aeon
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 there you go , you literally just admitted they whole concept is catholic (also this is literally debunked by the quest since robin outright says that the harmony energy in penaconny is not pure , because they're turn their back on harmony) In christianism god is Christ , father and holy spirit , he is present everywhere anywhere, watching over his kids , and you can talk and confess with him anywhere
@@vergil9981 it not pure because a part of the family follow order , not because people in penacony And what you talking about christian only is what you believe This quest make by people who see christian how they see This is how people who is not christian see the christian So you don’t need to argue with me about “ your christian” because i don’t need to hear it This quest is imitate christian, that is the fact you can’t deny
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Question how a person imagination effects imaginary energy but what if happen someone lacks a imagination effect imaginary energy trying to use it, by force or not.
please do a video matching eons to religions
There was one part where Sunday was sitting in a confessions booth listening to the people confess their sins and that references confessionals in Catholicism
Obviously, after all, this man has an halo, the wings and his entire character story is about him trying to usurp god only to be sent to "hell" like Lucifer
A dove (kind of symbolling the whole bird word play with his story with his sister and appearance) is the bird of Christianity.
The dove is the Catholic representation of the Holy Spirit, no other denomination besides the Catholics uses that symbol by the way.
I dunno if anyone pointed it out but as a Catholic I was instantly able to see the reference in Agnus Aeon soundtrack to Angus Dei prayer (Latin for Lamb of God.)
Also it is fun to see Shaoji use Christian elements in the story after Elysia in honkai impact 3
I definitely got alot of Christianity through the grand theatre arc and his third phase
Robin was literally singing christian worship❤
Ena the Order and Xipe the Harmony are the references to the Old Testament and the New Testament
The important thing to understand about Sunday is that he is NOT a Villain, and he does not want people to suffer. He thinks that the way to help everyone is putting them in "cages" like he did with that one bird in the past, but of course the way he tries to do it was not the correct way and was very chaotic, he should probably work with Robin to find a way that they can find Order while they also find Harmony
There is no way like you said
At best robin can do is create a nation where most of people have happy
But there is no way everyone can get happy , and the universe is not just penacony
Sunday want everyone happy not just people in penacony
And that is what robin can’t do
yes he is a villain a realist one the real villains don't tel you they wan to hurt you real villains make it seam they have everyone best interest at heart thats how tyrants are made.
As someone who is born and raised in a Roman Catholic household, I understand what Sunday was going through and why he believes so, he is a pastor or priest, someone who can instill hope and salvation for the people that confess for their "sins" to him. In reality, they just push onto their faults without them moving past them. They just let their human faults take over.
But I don't agree with the salvation of paradise he sought for, to create a world that free of suffering and human foley, a cage is but a cage, if he removes all of that suffering, then us humans won't know how to live with it, we'll still drown of our own suffering without external forces. We beget suffering as questioning and pondering the meaning of our existence, even we are in a glided cage.
Which is why Order isn't the path of salvation, it's tyranny. To force someone without their conscious choice, to prey on their misfortune under the banner of "harmonic salvation" and simply put it this way: indoctrination. The act of believing in a lie without question, robbing the beauty in creation- the ability to ponder the meaning of it all.
His name refers as the final day where God rest after the creation of everything: Does his named means that creating this paradise, would he lay bare under the banner of salvation he has created or was it to give himself a break from the darkness that plagued him. Sunday, the day where the sun comes beckoning. The day where it's at the brightest, and he was loved by The Family and the most arrogant in believing what he's doing is right: The morning star descends on the Garden and tempted others to astray.
P.S: I haven't finished the quest yet, but I wanted to share how I want to debunk Sunday's philosophy, and haven't played the video yet.
This is very well written and I agree with this
Nope, there is no human fault in here
I think you misunderstand the quest
Sunday see the core of the problem, what cause human suffer
And that is not evil
That is the nature rule
The rule about strong live, weak die. The rule about living being need property to live
The rule about the strong can take away any thing from the weak
And what sunday want is create a world where human not must to obey nature rule
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 Oh really? Then why Sunday gotten worked up over the arrogance and cowardice of humanity? Why is he so fixated in protecting people from their suffering and misery brought by external forces and determined by their self-worth? The more people are exploited by the strong, their own value, which in turn is their future, their own worth will be diminished over time.
If I misunderstood the quest line, then the video and the content would be pointless to talk about?
The natural rule is our ability to ponder the meaning of it all, our suffering, our joys and harmonious connection. All of it, is our human rule. He is simply stripping free will from us, yes our original sin for why the originators of humanity: Adam and Eve left there, because they violate that rule from God, because the knowledge and the will to make their own choices to live outside the garden. Even though God exiled them, which is why Penacony is the land of Exiles.
@@asbolusarawn5433 nope
Strong live, weak die is nature rule
Human society not escape that rule, we try to bend it by law and moral but at the end even law and moral can’t change it
Even the aeon obey that rule too since stronger aeon can kill weaker aeon
Living being need property to alive, the standard about alive of human could be different than animal but we bounded by it same like animal unless we become like the aeon who don’t need those thing
The rule about the strong can take away anything of the weak is what even the aeon can’t not escape because we see many time the mortal suffer from the action of the aeon
So no one can escape nature rule, even the aeon can’t
Yeah Sunday's ideology is totally something that is opposing to Christianity
Penacony after 2.2, gave me major persona 5 royal flashback. Sunday being Maruki, well except seeing him as a kind therapist, and more crazed, but yeah. Safe to say they wanted people not to suffer, but would become their dictator.
What is reality, if you aren't even in control of it.
I knew Sunday was sus from minute one because you NEVER trust a priest who isn't wearing his collar.
I think a neat detail is his halo looks like a crown of thorns
There’s also the scene when he was questioning the dreammaster and he was asking him the some of the the Ten Commandments and also when he was hearing the people of penaconys sins in what looked like a confessional and was forgiving them of their sins just like how a priest does the same in real life.
If my boy is christian then im pulling for him asap. WERE CHRISTIAN BUDDIESS
Hes actually supposed to represent Lucifer more I think....
@@mat7258 IM THE DEVIL? 🫣
@@MiloHanya2 no??? not what im saying at all
@@mat7258 my bad-
Its not surprising Penacony is clearly inspired by America and Harmony in its concept is the closest thing they have to christianity, they believe in helping and protecting the weak, selflessness and many other very traditionally christian values. But sunday in both his ideology and aesthetic (Grand Theater is the best example) screams Soviet Union
The soviets had similar goals to that of sunday. Take away your freedom and liberty of choice in exchange of building the utopia they see fit. The Architecture of the Grand Theater looks exactly like the Grandiose buildings made during the Soviet era, like the Supreme Soviet or the 7 sisters in moscow! And even the puppets dancing in baley positions (which was VERY popular in the soviet union and symbolism of times of troubles, baleys were for example played in most TV channels and radios for example when the Communist party tried to restore ORDER to the soviet union)
And generally speaking the whole aesthetic surrounding sunday screams Atomic heart (which is also inspired from 50s soviet aesthetic)
I actually stand with Sunday on his take of the world. This world is full with hateful people who are strong and can control the weak. Without the help of someone as strong as Sunday, these people will continue to live in the darkness and die in it. Reality isn't an anime. The power of friendship doesn't exist in it
It’s not just about the power of friendship. If Sunday achieve what he wanted to do everyone would have loose their will and their self control.
@@playworld2.017And what exactly will your "will" help you achieve when you are a blind or paralyzed person?
It would be WAY more important for these people to see, move and live like normal human beings than having "will"
Nah man he just an egocentrical piece of shit who thinks he is above everyone else and only he can provide them with the "paradise"
Like literally dude doesn't stop talking about "self worth" like bro is so fixated on his value and how he is the best shit and how his decisions lead to others happiness when literally it only makes them ignore their problems
So meaning if you support Sunday's plan, then you won't try to think for yourself about it. Let's say about your comment, you still think about others, you though about the power of friendship and the darkness of it all, you're still pondering the suffering of it all, that means you still have free will; to think about others and their opinion on the matter.
So if you really support it, you shouldn't advocate your opinions on the matter, just follow his words and heed to them. That you still follow Sunday's philosophy and if he tells you that is your order is to die in the darkness, you'd do so without hesitation, because you are under the banner of Order. Everything is perfect as you believe it so. You're merely an indoctrinated puppet.
@@asbolusarawn5433 well the argument about this topic happen very long ago
Until to day, people still thinking what they should choose
Free will or happy life
Of course people want both but unfortunately that is what not happen
If you choose free will, there is no guarantee happy life will come to you
If you choose happy life, you give up freedom for your will
Omg this is so in-depth and while I did make a reddit post a while ago about the imagery, you caught onto a lot of points I totally missed!
I would like to add though that the enemies the past, present, and eternal show can perform have lyrics from silent night, such as "all is bright." (idk how I noticed at 2x battle speed but I think sunday possessed me or smth)
And also another thing about his boss fight is that there are some actions he can perform whose names are in German, and are an allusion to Goethe's Faust. They appear as Faust struggles with translating the first verse of John 1 in the bible. They include "im anfang war das wort," "im anfang war die tat" and "im anfang war die kraft."
Anyways I hope you don't mind that I shared some of my observations under your video!
I am not Christian but I could tell of the heavily religious influences. 2.2 was subtle and 2.3 amplified it.
Damn, I didn't notice that. Now I like him even more
actually he just like an person that always say "i want this mean good for you" then do it, deny you thought, and think he always right.
Another important thing that I would like to mention is the name of the very last quest you must complete in order to finish the Penacony story: "And on the Eighth Day..." Giving it this name was basically the only way for the writers to show that the protagonists defy the very essence of the Order's religious teachings and philosophy, which are, of course, based on the concepts and ideas we know from the Bible. Basically that means that our heroes defy Ena's - or God's - world order by making the holiest of all days obsolete and unnecessary, starting their new life on their - eighth - day and obtaining true freedom both for themselves and Penacony. While I think that the execution was done really well, as a Christian, I'm deeply disappointed that MiHoYo has become another company to treat everything related to God as something 100% evil and irredeemable. Even Persona 5 was rather subtle with its core idea, trying to empasize the fact that the deity we're fighting before the end of the game was the Gnosticism iteration of God. But there is basically no way to treat the Penacony story as something even remotely positive or at least neutral towards Christianity. As a gamer and someone who, I hope, is capable of admiring decent storytelling, I think that Shaoji did a really good job with Penacony. But, as a Christian, I feel nothing but disappointment. I was afraid of MiHoYo touching upon those topics the moment I started playing the game. And it happened way sooner than I had expected.
I've gotten used to these anime games constantly portraying Christianity as evil, Final fantasy does it as well. I think it might be a cultural or regional thing since Christianity isn't practiced as much in Eastern countries, so it's perverted and misconstrued in these types games.
I completely disagree with your interpretation and the idea that Star Rail is anti-Christianity. Sunday is explicitly stated to not be loyal to either Xipe/Harmony or Ena/Order. He is only using the power of the Aeons to achieve his own aims. To your point about the eighth day, it is Sunday that is trying to upset the existing order of seven days in a week in order to freeze time on the seventh day (Sunday). Sunday is a very clear Lucifer figure who attempts to position himself as a sort of "god" over the rest of humanity, and this is clearly framed in the story as wrong, leading him to be defeated by the protagonists. You can also view Sunday as someone who was very religious but ultimately lost faith, leading him to take matters into his own hands. If you're curious about that interpretation I recommend Luna Wilde's video on Sunday. Overall, Harmony represents modern Christianity, while Order represents ancient Christianity and/or heretical sects such as Gnosticism. The Order is stated to be "absorbed"/adapted into the Harmony and is never fully rejected. Robin is basically a Christian popstar/missionary, it is clearly shown that her goal is to spread the Harmony through her music. So overall I would say HSR is more pro-Christian than not.
The use of Christianity inspired themes put a sour taste in my mouth (as a Christian) only because when it was revealed, I kinda thought it was cast in a negative light. As a protestant, their is more freedom in our faith which is boiled down to Jesus is the only way, Jesus being the bridge between us and God, and that Jesus wants us to come to Him of our own free will. The only reason why I didn't riot was because the flavour of the representation was more Catholic than protestant. And how controlling Catholicism has been ober history I can see how it would resonate with the Order.
Well, they have to be "negative" because of the CCP, because Christianity is illegal over there, but never forget, the underground Church in China is enormous.
So you're ok with the representation because it doesn't offend your denomination? Also, if you think Catholicism is about control, then you have a pretty warped view of it.
@@GuyInHisOwnWorld From outside, it does seem pretty controlling. Maybe not as controlling as say Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormons, but I've heard things that give me concern. Like how, if you stray, but then shape up again and rejoin, you're not accepted like you once were. And the whole Vatican thing and the libraries worth of church history that's sealed away.
I mean, protestantism is not perfect. Things waver between churches and denominations. Catholics killed protestants in the past and protestants killed catholics. A lot of protestant churches have strayed into the dangers of "the prosperity gospel", and some have turned into thinly veiled cults. But a lot of good protestant churches exist and all that comes to mind when I think of catholics is judgement, that catholics only seem to be Christian on Sundays, and the whole Praying to Mary, mother of Jesus instead of praying to Jesus! We should only pray to Jesus, not Mary. Nowhere in the standard, non-catholicised Bible does it say that Mary is the bridge between us and God or us and Jesus.
Catholicism is extremely regimented. And now its becoming more liberal, but that hasn't stopped the rules and traditions that actively works against the "love your neighbor as yourself" (being kind to those around you") or being the "salt of the world".
That doesn't mean I dislike anyone who is Catholic. J.R.R. Tolkien is my favourite author, and Father Brown is one of my favourite mystery series. But to someone from the outside, Catholicism seems controlling.
You’re comment is actually a very fitting example of what Sunday was talking about…
You only didn’t give into your desire from anger because you felt it justifiable that from your perspective it was tearing down something you didn’t value… the strong taking down the weak because of sheer convenience… words may not show how this idea is destructive but it really does show itself in reality
I’m not a religious guy… but it kind of felt obvious to notice how fitting that is
I wonder do any Christian HSR players use Sunday? Just curious.
the 1 detail are not comment, is at the moment on the lore, Sunday is Cleric design and at the moment the people are confess their sins this is other detail of the crystianims religion
That's not christianism , that's catholicism
Quite literally sins should not confess sins to some one else, only to god , since only they are the ones that would forgive them ,
@@vergil9981 is possible because on ghe christianism are soo variants ( on my country is the catholicism) but i didn't know of the protestants and the other roots are the similar
@@vergil9981Catholicism is Christianity. It’s the original Christian religion following Jesus and his disciples.
@@rengokiri that's just a fk lie , they are way different on how they handle themselves , catholics are literally the biggest lie as a religion they delivertly use the the fate of god for their own self interest , not to mention they also have saints and stuff like that which is straight up herecy
Christianism is way different at its core , it only beliefs in god nothing else nothing more , is simple just like and straight no strings attached
@@rengokirino it's not, original Christianity came from around 30 a.D, the Catholic church only came to exist around the 4th century when Rome accepted Christianity as the State religion. It was never about symbols (such as the Dove, blond Jesus, A bearded Old Man in a chair as God The Father, crosses, Holy Water, Globus Cruciger, et cetera)like it is in the Catholic church. The original Jesuits (not to be mistaken with the Catholic missionaries) were being persecuted by the Roman Empire (that became Catholic later on) until around 380 a.D.
The funny thing is this arc basically deny the idea of christian heaven where people only have happy life
Leaving 5 years old blind Tommy alone without any help to protect himself against this cruel world sounds like a great idea.
Why would we give him a happy life, if we can leave him to suffer
@@shallot7697 The point never is about did you should try to achieve happy life or give any one happy life
But happy life is not a guarantee thing and can’t happen with everyone
A world only exist happy is just a broken world with many problem come with the factor “ happy for every one”
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 I doubt Tommy agrees with that. The only thing Tommy would want is to live like a normal human being and be able to see. He doesn't care about whether it is a broken dream or not. Firefly herself is a prove to this point, because in the first arc of this story she admitted that she is way happier in the dreamscape because it allows her to live normally like other people. But then she started her anime protagonist speech in the last arc acting as if life is an anime where the power of friendship can help you
@@shallot7697 in the first contact she feel happy with dreamscape yes
She still not deny it
But it only is first impression when she can do what she can’t do in reality the first time
But she not want to achieve it only in dream
Because at the end , dream is just dream, doesn’t matter how goos it is, it still fake
What she want is a real achievement, she not want a illusion come from dream
She not even need it need to be perfect like dream
What she really want is a result in the real world, not just a illusion in dream
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 an illusion is still something at least. In reality she would achieve NOTHING (without the power of friendship, which doesn't exist in reality). She will just continue on dying slowly until she disappear. I doubt anyone would want that over an illusion where they are living happily
He quite literally is not a christianism , quite the opposite is catholicism
You shouldn't confess to another only to god , clerics are quite literally catholics , his idea of paradise is also catholic as its core,
Christians know that god came to earth and died for our sins , they know they are gods childs , that all the wrong in this world is planted by the enemy, beacuse life in on itself is one of the greates gifs god give us , quite literally running away from the problem and not face it is not christianism
They not confess to him, they confess to xiphe
Xiphe is the christian god in penacony
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 they do not, they literally go to him
If they were to confess to xipe , they could had done it anywhere and everywhere even on the shower
@@vergil9981 they talking to him because he is connection between they and xiphe
Do what you said is just talking with the wall
Only special person like sunday can send message to aeon
Normal people can’t talking with the aeon
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 there you go , you literally just admitted they whole concept is catholic (also this is literally debunked by the quest since robin outright says that the harmony energy in penaconny is not pure , because they're turn their back on harmony)
In christianism god is Christ , father and holy spirit , he is present everywhere anywhere, watching over his kids , and you can talk and confess with him anywhere
@@vergil9981 it not pure because a part of the family follow order , not because people in penacony
And what you talking about christian only is what you believe
This quest make by people who see christian how they see
This is how people who is not christian see the christian
So you don’t need to argue with me about “ your christian” because i don’t need to hear it
This quest is imitate christian, that is the fact you can’t deny
naw he's more of catholic specially that where hes forgiving sins the the confessional.
Sunday if anything is Catholic not Christian there not the same thing but he is very religious
Sunday is literally a God ( God of Siscon )
What 😨
He isn't siscon. Stop being a weirdo and thinking of familial relationships as sexual