Blueberry Epiphone 335 - Chasing Down Some Tuning and Intonation Issues; plus doing a Full Setup
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- This 2021 "Blueberry" Epiphone 335 is on the workbench today - the owner is complaining of tuning and intonation issues. It was recently purchased and setup by the big box guitar store... poorly, one might set. The string action is too high and the nut action is very high as well - probably contributing to the tuning and intonation problems. I will do a full setup and address an problems that we find. Enjoy he video!
-Steve
Manotick StringWorks
Ottawa, Ontario
sroymsw@gmail.com
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Most thorough video explanation I have seen on all aspects that affect tuning and playing experience.
Thanks for what you do.
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A very well spoken procedure on what you performed to evaluate and correct the existing issues! I enjoyed. Keep on with the great posts! Greetings from hot sunny Southern California!
Thanks for your guidance. I was floundering a bit with setting up my Epiphone ES-335 pro. It's much better now.
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How nice living on the beach, the sound of the surf in the background is soothing.
Thanks for showing me how to use my new Fret rocker correctly! I had the same issue with my Epiphone. I am not sure what these Frets are made out of, i played mine loads, they seem to where out super fast.
Best set up advice I've seen for a Gibson type guitar!
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@@ManotickGuitarTech Yes indeed.
Your videos are fantastic one of the best informative I've ever seen
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This is super well done. Thank you. Such expertise. After watching this I’m not sure I should have bought so many cheap guitars (I have this same model and many like Epiphones SG, Les Paul etc). I think got spooked with the fretboard issues. I guess I’m hoping with a more expensive guitar won’t have that. But then the worst quality guitar I have is a Fender Clapton signature strat I bought new in 1990 so I don’t know 🤷♂️
You never know about the quality until you have it in your hands... I always reccomend trying a guitar first and have a tech or luthier look at it before purchasing if possible.
Very helpful. A lot here that I can do on my own. Thank you
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I know this is an older video but thank you. I have similar issues with my new Epi 335 dot and this will be very helpful. I watch all your videos as I'm just starting out trying to learn tonwork on guitars. Quick maybe silly question but what do you use to clean the work mat on your bench? Thanks in advance and keep the great videos coming. You have earned a subsciber!
Thanks for watching and subbing! I just shake it off and then wipe it with a damp cloth every once and while.
Best thing to do is to replace the epi machine heads for Kluson REVOLUTION Tulip pearl keystones locking tuners. They are a direct drop in no mod replacement and they look great. They are the best tuners. I did it to my Epi IBG 335. ITS NOW PERFECT.
This video was fun !! All Asian guitars need Nut action address, then ----- strings off , straighten neck , address frets , move on with rest of setup !! 3/64 action E/e string !! Don't frown -- worked on $5k plus guitars with same issues !! Nut action ? Press string at 3rd fret , and sand nut bottom til slight gap between string and fret at first fret !! Use the metal string gauge as a fret rocker !! Note, if there's more than a few slight frets needing address , then have guitar replace !! Repair tech s at music stores have little knowledge with proper fret leveling !! Manufacturers specs are a guide line !! He/She don't have to obey them !! LoL
My opinion swung back and forth during this video between being totally put off the guitar by the issues but then seeing that really there wasn’t much wrong with it and maybe the owner gave up a bit easily given that the strings weren’t even stretched fully. I suppose the main gripe would be with the retailer who claimed to have set it up. I suppose it’s unreasonable to expect the frets to be completely level in a $500 guitar, would be different if it was the Gibson version. Overall I think I still want one of these to fill the semi/hollowbody gap in my guitar collection. Thanks for the informative video
I just bought one a couple weeks ago, the retailer I bought from set it up perfectly. Nice low action, great fret work, and I really like the pickups. I think the retailer is definitely at fault here.
I really enjoyed this video! I liked and subscribed 👍 Cheers from down the road in Russell, Ontario
Thanks, Ben!
Really nice work 👍
Excellent work on this set up!
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@@ManotickGuitarTech yes!
This gutair is on my wish list
“When I play it in the playing position, I’ll get the same results.” That’s actually not the case. When the guitar is set on the neck rest, you are getting just a vary slight bit of neck relief due to gravity and the weight of the guitar body. It’s subtle, but I’ve seen it cause some slight issues after making adjustments. Not often, but it has happened. Just my 2 cents.
I think this is a great video though! And I ended up getting the sunburst. 😊
True - but the variation is so small as to be negligible. The key is the do your setups the same way every time so you have consistency, that's all... whichever way you prefer. Thanks for watching and I hope you have subbed to my channel?
Very nice! I learned quite a lot watching this. Ty
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@@ManotickGuitarTech I certainly did. I have the burst version of this guitar on the way. I’m expecting to have some work to do on it.
Great information my friend. Thanks so much,
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@@ManotickGuitarTech , I did indeed my friend.
great video thanks for sharing your expertise !
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I got the same problem on me Epi 335 mainly with the 1st & 2nd fret. I even turn B and E flat so it will play in tune when chording and noting.
I had same guitar...had tuning and intonation issues... and muddy pickups. I didn't want to deal with it and spend more so I sold it. Too many other guitars that you don't have to deal with that... these issues seem to be common on these...
That is why people should really try multiple versions of the same model, if they can...some can be lemons.
@@ManotickGuitarTech agreed. I bought mine online used so couldn't test... but I typically do test well first....
I agree had mine set up multiple times and was told that's the best it can be. Ill keep it a bit longer then it's gotta go !
I took an expensive Taylor acoustic guitar to a "guitar engineer" here in the UK. I explained that I thought it needed a neck reset because the action was way too high. He was expensive, but recommended. When I collected the guitar the action was still way too high for me. He brushed my observation aside saying that this was how he set ALL acoustic guitars. I have tried to play it a couple of times since then but mostly it just sits in it's case as it just reminds me that no matter how much you pay in this stupid country, you can never get what you ask for.
@@undercrackers56 sounds like he didn't explain his process beforehand- I always explain ahead of time to manage expectations. Try another tech or luthier.
Excellent video. I guess I miss the part where you did the intonation procedure. Can anybody point it to me (at what time)? I always get confused to which direction to turn the screw (most of the times if is sharp). Thank you so much for this tutorial
Pretty sad that a new Epi goes out the door supposedly set up with this many bad problems.
it happens...
I’ve just got the same guitar in red. The tuning issue i have is the tuner post distorts towards the body of the guitar, the tuner knob is hard to turn then there is a click, the post flicks back to upright, it is then possible to get the string in tune.
Never a bad idea tonipgrade the tuners on these guitars... locking or nonlocking grovers
@@ManotickGuitarTech I let the shop know about the problem and they exchanged the guitar, great service from them. It arrived yesterday so watching again to get familiar with the setup steps.
Thank you for sharing this.....probably one of the most useful I've seen for setting up my 335 Pro. Followed you step by step and got pretty good results. Just a few questions? I am certain the nut slot needs to be filed on multiple strings. Is this something a novice should attempt (assuming I had the proper tools)? Also, over time I have developed the infamous ABR-1 Tune-o-Matic "Bridge Buzz". Only Low E fretting 7th and higher. Nothing on open strings. Perhaps it can be adjusted out.....? You mentioned in another post you replaced this on your ES-335 DOT. Was curious which bridge replacement you went with (i.e. Gotoh, Tone Pros, Faber)? Appreciate any advice you might have... Thx
You can tackle eh nut slots - just go slow and take a little at a time. Tone pros would be a good choice for a replacement bridge... just check the specs first against your actual bridge.
Very happy with TonePros bridge on this. Big improvement in clarity and sustain. Probably should have replaced the stoptail as well....(next time). I took it to a Tech to take care issues with nut. Everything is sounding very good. Thx again for the advice. Enjoying your videos, learning a lot!!!
Great demo..... one question, if these pickups were to be swapped for say Tony Iommi's(Black Sabbath and he is noted for playing Gibson SGs) pickups would this guitar or any of Gibson semi -acoustic guitars be able to have that 'new' sound? Thanks and keep it up.
Very thorough & detailed setup. I noticed when you adjusted the string height, you used a screwdriver to change the height of the bridge. I've seen other videos where they turn the bridge thumbwheels. Are they both the same? Thanks
Usually I slacken the strings to raise them -you dont need to slacken them to lower them. Screwdriver or thumbwheel - whatever is easier on your fingers.
Dude, love the video. I bought the same guitar and believe I'm going to level the frets properly. Where did you get those sweet wooden handled string gauges? I love them and cannot find them! Thanks!! Appreciate it.
Glad you liked the video - I hop you have subbed. I make the gauges and will be selling them soon... stay tuned
do you work on fenders I have a telecaster that I really like but it string e does not cross pick up exactly so sound is slightly less on the string.
That probably is not the issue- I would look at the nut and makes sure the string is seated properly and able to resonate better. Minute variation over the pole piece does not affect volume.
They really did a bad frett job on the guitar. My Les Paul 59 reissue was the same way.
I hate epiphones for these reasons, almost every single epiphone I’ve had or played has a similar issue and notes choking up when bending. This is an insult for the asking price
I find that with a good fret job, Epiphones can play really well
That fan or A/C in the background is really annoying and makes it hard to understand your voice.