A few other thoughts from a 65yr old benchrest shooter---vertical stringing can be caused by a barrel getting hot---horizontal string can be caused by a cross wind--- split group can be caused by a loose scope mount--all things to look at . All and all a good basic shooting video. Best Regards!
From France; very clear, pedagogical and skilled talk. I add it on my list of helpful shooting videos...and quite understandable english for me 😀. thanks a lot.
this is so helpful. I've just got a new rifle and have shot it at 100 yards for the first time in my life and i found my groups were a little bit off which i figured was from lack of fundamentals. this video just spot on diagnosed all my problems from my groups especially the vertical & horizontal discrepancies. Thanks!!
I’m glad you finally mentioned something about the ammo. Finding the ammo your rifle likes the best is critical to precision shooting. Inconsistent grouping can definitely be caused buy the ammunition.
I've listened to several dozen videos on improving my aim. My goal is to become a very competent sniper or ELR shooter even and I have confidence in my rifle but I lack confidence in myself because I'm at the point where one day I can go out and shoot a fantastic group the next day I go out and I'm all over the page kind of like a golfer who just becomes adequate at golf they've passed the beginner stages and it worked themselves into at least a mildly competent golfer but I still have bad days well that's how it is for my rifle shooting. And I'm trying to take all this information in. You are the first person who came out and said shoot the group then analyze the group I can't wait to try these techniques and try to implement them
Thanks to my Brit Soldiers who I trained with in the jungles. We appreciate you in the USA. When I drop off my military child at the the airport, I will watch for Brit people in trouble and help them. We are soldiers looking after each other.
Vertical group assessment shows good trigger control and poor elevation. Some of the possible causes of vertical grouping are: 1. Poor follow through 2. Changing sight picture 3. A very low position 4. Changing sight alignment 5. Failure to maintain proper eye sight alignment 6. Changing distance from eye to front sight 7. Varying rifle butt position in shoulder 8. Position of left elbow wrong (rifle fired from right shoulder) 9. Not enough head pressure Horizontal group assessment shows good elevation and poor trigger control. Some of the possible causes of horizontal grouping are: 1. High right shoulder 2. High vertical position 3. Jerking the trigger 4. Varying head pressure 5. Movement of the right elbow 6. No stability of position 7. Change in sight picture 8. Failure to maintain proper sight alignment
I would love to pick your brain on some of these things and learn more. What is head pressure? What do you mean exactly by a high right shoulder? also position of left elbow? Thanks for the input.
@@lespotter8293Rying head pressure is about the stockweld whereby the full weight of the head should be resting upon the comb of the stock. Inconsistency means recoil resistance is inconsistent too which alters impact. BTW, reasons given here are not my own notions. They’re from the USAMU SDM Training Program.
The first day of Army Sniper School they told us one thing to always remember............BRASS. Breathe, Release (half), Acquire, SQUEEZE (not pull), Shoot. Practice this over and over and over.
thank you for the great advice. i will take them on board. cannot get my groups as tight as I would like and I'm 100 percent sure it is me. keep getting 2 close and a flyer like you say and I just realized that I do move my position slightly between reloading
i'm from USA. What brand of rifle is this. I have seen this recently in 3 different videos of you and others and I have never seen it before....? Thank You
Why should you shift your head left to right? That sounds like parallax error to me, same with the split group... I use a scope with an adjustable parallax (Optisan EVX 3-12x44 - unbeatable for its price imho) on a .22 Walther MaximaThor FAC airgun and used to have it on a Rem 40x .308 with Federal 168 gr BTHPs and had no problem with my groupings so I´m just curious. A flyer can also by caused by a different powder charge or a bad center of gravity of the bullet - not that common, though. But... just to be said - one should also be able to change the shooting position and keep hitting the mark. May I ask you... why did you choose a Swarovski? They are way too high priced for what they can do in my opinion and I somehow love the mildot system for ranging purposes.
45 angle is usually used when you need to support the fore end with your other hand, but in heavy recoil rifles it can cause a difference in resistance and cause the gun to start walking off target. If more of your body is behind, say, the left side of the gun, it will try to slip back and right under recoil, pointing the barrel left and messing up your alignment with the target.
Hi there just watched your video , great stuff . i have a blaser 6.5x284 home loaded bullets ajusting seating depth for best group problem is any thing reasonable groups well . what seems to happen i get 3 shots touching and then one flyer . this is at 115 meter range . also moving seating just 10,000 closer to lands lifted the group 2" any ideas me or bullet . many thanks David
M95 Same thing, different conception year... Same quality. By the way that's Blazer. I'm on the Browning side of the game... And i get same group sizes. 222/243,. The next coming will be 308 or 300Wing mag, still Browning.
I don’t agree with your reason for the flyer, this is often down to the ammunition load being on the edge of an accuracy node. The shooting would need to be a poor shot to create a flyer 1 inch plus from the main POI.
Heavy magnum hunting rifles will throw that 3rd shot in fast follow up shots such as on big brown bears. My Winchester model 70 in 338 win mag did this.
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A few other thoughts from a 65yr old benchrest shooter---vertical stringing can be caused by a barrel getting hot---horizontal string can be caused by a cross wind--- split group can be caused by a loose scope mount--all things to look at . All and all a good basic shooting video. Best Regards!
Fantastic tips and much better explained without over explaining things nice one mate.
You repeatedly speak about the 7 elements and the 3 factors.
I would be happy if you would explain them.
From France; very clear, pedagogical and skilled talk. I add it on my list of helpful shooting videos...and quite understandable english for me 😀. thanks a lot.
this is so helpful. I've just got a new rifle and have shot it at 100 yards for the first time in my life and i found my groups were a little bit off which i figured was from lack of fundamentals. this video just spot on diagnosed all my problems from my groups especially the vertical & horizontal discrepancies. Thanks!!
I’m glad you finally mentioned something about the ammo. Finding the ammo your rifle likes the best is critical to precision shooting. Inconsistent grouping can definitely be caused buy the ammunition.
Old US sodier, . . . been away from long range shooting too long, . . . thanks for the reminders.
I've listened to several dozen videos on improving my aim. My goal is to become a very competent sniper or ELR shooter even and I have confidence in my rifle but I lack confidence in myself because I'm at the point where one day I can go out and shoot a fantastic group the next day I go out and I'm all over the page kind of like a golfer who just becomes adequate at golf they've passed the beginner stages and it worked themselves into at least a mildly competent golfer but I still have bad days well that's how it is for my rifle shooting. And I'm trying to take all this information in. You are the first person who came out and said shoot the group then analyze the group I can't wait to try these techniques and try to implement them
Very well organized class. Presentation was excellent.
This video has so much knowledge in it. Thanks.
good point about analyzing the target hits while shooting. A lot of new shooters do that, both rifle and pistol.
Thanks for such a clear explanation.
Best explanation ever i have seen so for. subscribed
everything you mentioned here happened to me today :D.. Thanks~~~will adjust next range time for sure~!
Im in training with the army tommowe on my shooting this has helped a bit thank you.
By the way ...THANK YOU for your videos !!! I love your Expert, Professional Lessons !!!
Thanks to my Brit Soldiers who I trained with in the jungles. We appreciate you in the USA. When I drop off my military child at the the airport, I will watch for Brit people in trouble and help them. We are soldiers looking after each other.
Great video sir , really enjoyed the way you explained the steps . Stay safe .
Vertical string can also indicate fps variance in your ammo.
Great Video on Key Subject !
Clear and concise. Thank you.
Cracking presentation, thanks and keep them coming
Excellent! And a really nice cammi jacket.
Excellent video. Thanks
Thank you for this video.
very usefull, thank you
Love that Scottish accent Laddie.
Nice tips
very helpful- i have several of these results happen on the range today, I now know why :)
Thanks for info
Vertical group assessment shows good trigger control and poor elevation. Some of the possible causes of vertical grouping are:
1. Poor follow through
2. Changing sight picture
3. A very low position
4. Changing sight alignment
5. Failure to maintain proper eye sight alignment
6. Changing distance from eye to front sight
7. Varying rifle butt position in shoulder
8. Position of left elbow wrong (rifle fired from right shoulder)
9. Not enough head pressure
Horizontal group assessment shows good elevation and poor trigger control. Some of the possible causes of horizontal grouping are:
1. High right shoulder
2. High vertical position
3. Jerking the trigger
4. Varying head pressure
5. Movement of the right elbow
6. No stability of position
7. Change in sight picture
8. Failure to maintain proper sight alignment
I would love to pick your brain on some of these things and learn more. What is head pressure? What do you mean exactly by a high right shoulder? also position of left elbow? Thanks for the input.
@@lespotter8293Rying head pressure is about the stockweld whereby the full weight of the head should be resting upon the comb of the stock. Inconsistency means recoil resistance is inconsistent too which alters impact. BTW, reasons given here are not my own notions. They’re from the USAMU SDM Training Program.
The first day of Army Sniper School they told us one thing to always remember............BRASS. Breathe, Release (half), Acquire, SQUEEZE (not pull), Shoot. Practice this over and over and over.
thank you for the great advice. i will take them on board. cannot get my groups as tight as I would like and I'm 100 percent sure it is me. keep getting 2 close and a flyer like you say and I just realized that I do move my position slightly between reloading
3:33 my man didnt even blink
Excellent video
Brilliant video
Great tips. Thanks bud
Thanks ❤
Good shit mate.
Thank you!!!
i'm from USA. What brand of rifle is this. I have seen this recently in 3 different videos of you and others and I have never seen it before....?
Thank You
Blaser R8 Professional Success www.blaser.de/en/products/firearms/bolt-action-rifle-r8/r8-models-with-synthetic-stock/r8-professional-success/
I thought it might be the new version of the Ross straight pull. Lol
A blaser rifle
Dunno if it's the R8 or another model
thank you. I leave a sub.
Why should you shift your head left to right? That sounds like parallax error to me, same with the split group... I use a scope with an adjustable parallax (Optisan EVX 3-12x44 - unbeatable for its price imho) on a .22 Walther MaximaThor FAC airgun and used to have it on a Rem 40x .308 with Federal 168 gr BTHPs and had no problem with my groupings so I´m just curious.
A flyer can also by caused by a different powder charge or a bad center of gravity of the bullet - not that common, though.
But... just to be said - one should also be able to change the shooting position and keep hitting the mark.
May I ask you... why did you choose a Swarovski? They are way too high priced for what they can do in my opinion and I somehow love the mildot system for ranging purposes.
hips, not head, basicly trying to make your spine at a natural angle to the rifle
Cause the swarowsky is the perfect pair with a Blaser. Just read a bit more about it...
Thank you comment section. I had no idea what he was saying. Shift yah hips!
Can you tell me the name of the cushion sleeve you use on your stock to raise your cheek?
In the old days, we use to have our bodies at a 45 degree angle. Is the straight alignment position just better?
45 angle is usually used when you need to support the fore end with your other hand, but in heavy recoil rifles it can cause a difference in resistance and cause the gun to start walking off target. If more of your body is behind, say, the left side of the gun, it will try to slip back and right under recoil, pointing the barrel left and messing up your alignment with the target.
Hi there just watched your video , great stuff . i have a blaser 6.5x284 home loaded bullets ajusting seating depth for best group problem is any thing reasonable groups well . what seems to happen i get 3 shots touching and then one flyer . this is at 115 meter range . also moving seating just 10,000 closer to lands lifted the group 2" any ideas me or bullet . many thanks David
Will you do a grouping video from shooting off Quad sticks?
What kind of rifle is that, it looks like you got a straight bolt action like a Swiss k31??
Minh Vu That's a 4000 € straight pull Blazer 93 riffle.
No it's a Blaser R8
M95 Same thing, different conception year... Same quality. By the way that's Blazer. I'm on the Browning side of the game... And i get same group sizes. 222/243,. The next coming will be 308 or 300Wing mag, still Browning.
Philippe FRATER There are some major differences!
Philippe FRATER Blazer? It's called Blaser just so you know. They are overpaid and I don't like them. I once shot one but I wasn't that impressed.
Good stuff
What rifle is that ?
What kind of scope are you using?
I cannot see my grid at 200 yards and there is no more adjustment left. That's why I asked....
Bothy Ballad song - The Hash O'Bennagoak. That's where the accent comes from. Check it out.
My man is wearing CENS hear protection. Anybody who can afford $1200 US hearing protection has probably spent a loooooong time behind the sights LOL
Shaft yer heps ya feckin coo !
Sit feckin rainin too.
Yasee aboot dat...
You don’t need to learn all of this if you are a natural like a lot of us are 👍
I don’t agree with your reason for the flyer, this is often down to the ammunition load being on the edge of an accuracy node. The shooting would need to be a poor shot to create a flyer 1 inch plus from the main POI.
Heavy magnum hunting rifles will throw that 3rd shot in fast follow up shots such as on big brown bears. My Winchester model 70 in 338 win mag did this.
Split group, yepp I can do that... (And do)
Did anybody else think it was Dr. Phil in the thumbnail?
Great vid. Nothing against them but the yanks make a mess of videos like this.
@6:17 not inline with the gun
Trigger control
You can't defeat filipino sniper.... They don't use scope they still hit the target ,from Philippines.
Sorry but If I put a suppressor on My rifle I would be looking at loosing my license to own a fire arm forever, and looking at time in prison.
Joe, what country?
Massachusetts.
Then don't put a suppressor on your rifle. Not that difficult is it
What rifle is that?