AMD 7840U OLED GOODNESS! AYANEO Air 1S In-Depth Review
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- AYANEO Air 1S - www.indiegogo.com/projects/ay...
00:00 - Want to see my RUclips Stats from the Previous 7 days?
00:39 - AYANEO Air 1S Specs
03:05 - AYASpace 2 really is amazing
04:00 - AYANEO Air 1S TDP Efficiency
04:50 - Thermal Evaluation and Battery Life
06:50 - What's The Optimal TDP on Battery?
08:20 - Heatsink Fan Thermals
09:30 - Benchmarks - Batman Arkham Knight
10:10 - Benchmarks - Cyberpunk 2077
10:52 - Benchmarks - Deus Ex Mankind Divided
12:00 - Benchmarks - Horizon Zero Dawn
13:20 - Benchmarks - Returnal
15:00 - Controller Review
21:12 - Final Review and Things to look out for
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Thanks Phawx. My - we've come a long way in not many years, haven't we?!
Haha yea! To think just a few years ago, I would have never believed we'd be where we are now.
I love your in-depth reviews. I want a handheld pc but the choices are a lot. It seems like a new one comes out every week.
wow that is realy a In-Depth review.... found this channel looking for Oculink, and now there is soo much to learn.
Thanks a lot. keep up with such a good content
Thorough technical review (as always)! I'm starting to believe that you found a way to hypnotise me in these videos, I can't stop watching...
These intros that start from the thumb are tasty as all hell!
I love your videos. I hope they fix whatever is going on. RUclips’s algorithms have sucked lately. So bad that I’m starting to look other places for content.
I love how compact this new Air 1S is and also the OLED screen, but I already have the «Founder» 4500u Ayaneo... I'm really tempted but I'm not sure. I would love to see benchmarks between older handhelds with updated drivers compared to new handhelds to put them into perspective.
I absolutely love mine so far! Just a ton of good. Had the steam deck, still have an Ally….but I think this guy is my favorite 👍🏼
Also, I am very glad you pointed out the hot key issue on the upper buttons. I have experienced the same. Those analog triggers are insanely smooth, aren’t they?
I had the first Air, it's so light and easy to hold. Easy to get lost in a game.
This is pretty damn close to my dream small-form handheld. Looks so good, man.
SAMESIES!
yeah it's hard to choose btw this, the gpd win 4, and then the upcoming aokzoe a2 looks really sleek/similarly bezeless as the ayaneo 2s
Why is it only close and not basically IT
@@lyndongaming maybe the 5.5 screen with the bezels, basically left room for a bigger screen because some of these pc games with small text will have you squint trying to read texts on such a small screen size
@@melxb what about the Win Mini?
Great review and well done to Aya! This unit is impressive! For £630 and 16GB/512GB base model it's really tempting.
Thanks for watching :) and Agreed!
I’m still loving my original Air. Ayaspace 2 is a huge improvement too. You’re right about the ultra thin one though, if I pick up the 1S it’ll definitely be the thicker one. The 5560u in my current one is very toasty if you give it anything challenging.
Yoooo, been waiting for this one, keep up the great work. Amazing reviews.
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching
Great review!
I have a deck. So I've been planning on picking this up. For 32gb ram + 2tb storage @ $1k. It's not bad. The rog ally isn't that far off. And the extra portability will actually make it so much easier to use.
Nice new review style! Love it!
Appreciate the review since there are so few small handhelds.
I want to see a direct 1S vs GPD Win 7840U cage match since they seem to be the closest cousins.
Great in-depth discussion as always from
The Phawx ...
One-X-Fly... Anyone...🤓😎
Great review been looking forward to it. Ayaneo just added 21 days to the indiegogo though
I'm aware that Arthur has mentioned that they are waiting on a supply of 7840U
@@ThePhawx thanks bro
Great review, as always! But I think this dark/light changing effect on the spec list makes it unnecessarily hard to read, as well as the rather small horizontal bar charts in that vertical webcam/chart splitscreen view.
Noted on the spec list. Can update. For benchmarks as well, I'll just go to full screen so it's easier to view. But trying to keep people engaged while benchmarks are up. I'll give it a think. Thanks!
@ThePhawx
If you shorted the overall width of the bars on the benchmark chart, you can make them thicker, allowing for a larger font on the numbers.
I watch a lot of RUclips on my phone. Even at full screen I couldn't read the numbers. I had to zoom in.
@@ThePhawx I think you're very engaging as it is, I wouldn't worry too much about that. : )
Making the content less readable to (unnecessarily) increase attention is the wrong way to go about it imho.
What game is that? (The one considtently shown, and shown around 1:40). The one that looks like syonara wild hearts?
Can’t wait to get mine I wanna phawx around and find out what that oled screen is all about
Hahah! Well done :)
So sad that it doesn't have any DC dimming option for this OLED. My smartphone has it and I have zero eye-strain however OLED screens without such option gives me headache and eye-strain 😢
Thanks for the great review Phawx, I hear that the heat from the APU runing at a consistent 25w damages the right side of the screen. What are your thoughts on this? I am really considering getting this one but I plan to use it plugged in on my bedside at all times, would you recommend this or the ROG Ally?
Where did you hear it damages the screen?
Man if they filled up those bezels with more screen I could see upgrading to this from my Geek. 7 feels right
it is indeed hard going to a smaller screen. I feel that
Thanks, can you please try Diablo 4 and Baldurs Gate 3?
I have a 6800U handhelds but reluctant to upgrade to 7840U it is more of a side grade I think imma wait for the 8xxxU series...
Hey, the lasered logo I made is in the background now!
Thank you again!
This device has better screen and processor then upcoming lenovo legion go.
i think we need a battle of the pc handhelds comparison video, maybe one of the best compact ones with this ayaneo air 1s, the gpd win 4, onexfly and such...like a tier of which has the best/better screen, best controls, best ergonomics/material, best UI/overlay features, etc besides performance, so one can really make a decision, like really showing them side by side, i wonder why no one is doing that
Because performance is objective and everything you are listing is subjective....there is no best for preference ,
everyone is different
@@samgoff5289 i get that and I'm sure he would bring up the subjective differences and how one still can prefer either for different reasons, but it still would be great to actually have them all side by side and go over their strengths/pros and cons of each and what one could prefer over the other depending on their preference especially now that he has used them for a while
Excellent review, but having mentioned that the screen doesn't go super bright a few times, I would have liked some commentary on how it stands up to direct sunlight?
This is a good point, so I just checked :D And no it's really hard to see in direct sunlight.
I don't think OLED is meant for direct sun light viewing. If you care about playing outside, LCD is the way to go
@@ThePhawx Thanks for the feedback! Really useful to know for a portable device.
@@ThePhawxhow does it compare to the screen on the ayaneo 2s, any worthwhile difference/which one would u prefer?
Great video! whats the game name at 0:40?
Good Sir, will you review the base model GPD Win 4 Pro the one with the 7640?
I don't think I'm getting that model
Maybe it was mentioned and i missed it, the indiegogo mentions it has usb4, does that mean it can use a tb3 egpu?
I really wish they would have put an oculink on this thing.
Hey Kiera! I didn't test it as only my OneDock Thunderbolt works on AYA devices. Never really worked well enough on Sonnet or Razer
Love how portable it is
Question if you dock it and leave the charge at 50 or 80%. Well, that's Reduce the heat of the system?
There is no mechanism to stop the charge at 50 or 80% on the BMC, but once it hits 100%, yea that would reduce the heat
I'm not a screen-or-nothing guy, but damn, that screen!!!!
Nintendo Switch and Steam Deck have started something beautiful.
Another thing these handhelds really need asap, is some on die V-RAM, even a very modest small amount would make a night & day difference, Intel proofed this with their Iris Pro iGPU's, with just 128mb of native eDRAM, they doubled the FPS, if AMD added say just 1GB of fast HBM2 V-RAM to the APU, we should see minimum 50% FPS increase thanks to opening up the memory bandwidth, even a small eDRAM cache would do the trick, I know there is a handheld gaming PC win the works with a dedicated discreet GPU, which will have actual V-RAM of course, that factor alone will be a huge upgrade, not even counting the GPU specs improvement, I hope they use a 120hz 800p display with it, preferably AMOLED, I'd love to see a handheld with Nvidia's ULMB 2 on a 120hz+ AMOLED display, this would make it a power house for retro games, being able to play them how they were meant to be played with perfect CRT grade motion clarity and a scanline filter.
This is limited by tdp. Improving memory bandwidth probably wouldn't do anything.
Iris pro had 2x the EUs compared with the regular graphics too.
@@johnm91326There are identical SoC packages with a single difference, the iGPU lacks the eDRAM, as I said the FPS in doubled or more in some cases, TDP is not effected, the RAM modules have miniscule amounts of power draw, even desktop DDR4 fast 16GB modules use a 3watts tops, a 1GB eDRAM package would draw no more than 150mw, and for that tiny power draw max average FPS would climb 50% minimum (up to 150% in some cases), add to that much improved minimum FPS, much improved frame-times and lower input latency, it's just so much improvement for so little, see how well the one-off chip, the Intel/Vega-GPU SoC with on board HBM2 V-RAM performed, in huge part thanks to a much fatter memory pipeline, this is the best way forward for massively upgrading performance for pretty much no battery life penalty, AMD only needs to add 1GB of either eDRAM or HBM2 V-RAM to their upcoming Z2 SoC, I'd like to see a full V-RAM package eventually, but you what these tech companies are like, they like to drip feed us with improvements for maximum profits, so before we get 6GB+ LPGDDR6 V-RAM, a more modest eDRAM or HBM2 cache will do, and that will suffice to give us a 50% minimum upgrade along with all the other gaming benefits direct on-die RAM packages bring.
@Phawx What do you have say about the low palm rest height with an xbox controller layout? It looks like having the right analog stick reach below towards your palm makes holding the device uncomfortable especially with games that keeps your fingers on the triggers. It reminds me of the Gamesir X2 Pro controller for android phones. The grips need extensions of some sort. Especially if people plan to play on Gamepass besides focusing on the retro classics / EMUs.
So, I prefer the xbox layout myself. As such I have a bias towards how it's presented and operates. I have no real issue using the device or get any fatigue, I think my only complaint is that AYASpace 2 could offer sensitivity options for the analog sticks instead of only have 3 very large options to choose from.
@@ThePhawx I don't mind the layout as much when there is a decent amount of grip or palm rest to support my pinky and ring finger somewhere. It's more of an issue for us older gamers I suppose. It's hard to weigh in on how these all feel in hand when you have to wait for an overseas preorder. I try to envision the decks grip vs the GPD Win Mini vs Win4 Pro vs the Ally vs the Ayn Neo Slide. My hands ache and head spins just thinking about all the different form factors that equal buyers remorse.
@@tomoprime217There's a handheld specifically designed for this problem where you can screw on larger grips for that exact problem. Forgot the name since there's so many handhelds
@@TheUltimateHacker007 GPD Win Mini?
@@tomoprime217 yes that's the one. I'm sure you've seen the review tho
Phawx, love your videos. Can I ask a favor? I love my gpd win 4 with 6800u . However, I would love a better screen on it. I know you are in touch with gpd brand so if you can ask them if they will have never version of gpd win 4. Can they choice better and vibrant color for gpd win 4. But thank you for the video.
I have been asking them to find and source an OLED panel forever. I continue to look :D
@@ThePhawx even not an oled but if they can do screen like ayaneo devices, I would love to get new gpd win 4 for that reason. I know vibrancy of the colors can be subjective who likes do more or less but only one thing I am sad about my gpd win 4 is screen.
What is the most performance one could squeeze out of a psp go sized pc handheld today?
small handheld gang
Is it have vibro engine ?
How is Ayaneo's software support? I always worry about small companies' software wrecking the experience
Honestly very top notch. They're consistently adding and adjusting their ayaspace 2
What is the battery life at like 5 and/or the lowest wattage? A pocket emulator and computer would be an insane thing to have, if it could give some decent battery life..
Roughly 4 hours at 5w
I really hope you're available to answer this, but would you recommend this for something like the fallout and elder scrolls games. I don't care to play the newer AAA titles. Just the older ones during that fallout 3 timeframe and of course emulators
Yeah you should have no problems playing those games at a nice frame rate, as they’re old games
So compared to your Stam Deck Video where you got mostly 30 Fps settings (not recommended but possible) that is no more possible here? You got 60FPS with 6800U in this video so I would think it should be possible here as well. :D The question for me is if its a worthy upgrade from the steam deck?
From a performance perspective, no it isn't a worthy upgrade from Steam Deck. The only reason you'd get this device is OLED and smaller formfactor.
@@ThePhawx Thanks, this is what i mostly interested in :) Now i think thats what you said the hole video and i just dont understand it. As you multiple times said that its mostly the OLED and size that sets this device apart xD
I preordered on IGG and I'm really looking forward to he compact size. Tired of all these behemoths being released
On a brick of a device like the Steamdeck it feels dumb to play retro/indie games Having the smaller form factor is much much better.
these "muh gigantic screen" people have turned handhelds into tablets with controllers attached
hi phasw are you going to do the aya neo kun when it comes out
Hi! Yea I hope to review it! :)
Thank you
I love the shirt haha
tyty haha :D
I heard Aya and OneX don't support their devices after 2 years. Devices from 2021 no longer get support or updates!
I know the warranty is over by then but I haven't heard about them not fixing them for a cost. That is concerning, I'll have to look into it
What game is that? 0:38 Looks awesome! Reminds me of Contra III
Blazing Chrome
Gna wait for zen 5 strix point/ halo that 16 to 40cu gpu need to see that rdna3.5 aswell
Yea man! I am really hoping Shenzhen companies can get these 256bit wide memory parts.
I genuinely just enjoy watching the phawx videos
Great video!
Please Ayaneo, give us a native landscape display! Please!
IYKYK
Man, I just want an oled steam deck. I really wish valve didn’t cheap out on the screen, even on its most expensive model.
These windows handhelds just don’t do it for me. Windows jank, subpar low TDP efficiency, and it’s hella expensive.
Is your shirt the conclusion of the Xbox shirt we talked about haha ?
lol
I am so excited to get mine, I love this form factor. I only have a retroid pocket 3+ so this will be an upgrade for me and my first Windows pc in a long time, since I use a Mac for work
I have to admit I love it as well. The OLED is killer.
Yeah the OLED screen and the small form factor is a winner
just remember that AyaNeo durability leaves much to be desired
What do you mean? My air plus is super durable
The lip syncing for the sound is off by like 0.1 seconds.
Strix point is arriving Q1/Q2 2024 so it's best to hold off
Too late
Nope.
The thing I care about most.
How does ChimeraOS work on it?
I'm actually going to start installing soon!
@@ThePhawx Nice :D
Thanks Phawx
Thank you!
Thanks for another informative and deep review, Phawx. I have to say, the 7840u does not fare at all well on these low battery, low wattage devices. IMO a chip with less cores and CUs would've gained better performance at lower watts due to higher clocks (Like Steam Deck) and been cheaper. The 7840u shines at 15-20W. I have the AokZoe and I can't imagine using this chip on a smaller battery, or a smaller screen. It really is AAA-competent chipset and at low wattages, all its potential is just wasted. IMO a 5'5 screen is also just too small for modern HD games. I feel like this device is perfect for games that don't need the 7840u. In that sense, it's an odd construction. If drivers come that boost low watt performance, sure. But I doubt it will.
I feel you as well. Hell, I still play mostly on my Win Max 2 just because I love playing on a 10.1" screen. But some people just refuse to play on "big" handhelds
If it wasn’t for the Win Mini I would seriously get this. Top Tier performance with an OLED is amazing. I also really like AYA Space from what I’ve seen.
I also can't wait for the GPD Win Mini :D
@@ThePhawxadd me to the list. Being a featherweight lover, the Mini seems to have everything for me. This one has a really small screen for a Windows daily use, IMHO... Sorry Aya, OLED is nice but way on the smallish side...
To small for my liking, but it's got a ton going for it
ChimeraOS please
On it!. Going to try and install today.
The lowest tier should not cost more than $700. These Chinese handhelds are so frustrating. They seem amazing but just never seem worth the purchase considering what we have available to us in the states.
If 13w was the best perf per watt on the devices, why wasnt it included in the benchmarks graphs?
Would you still buy this over the 1S geek?
When I look at these devices, I try to think about it from the perspective of what's available from the competition. The Air 1S is great because there is no other device like it in it's size nor with OLED. The Geek is a good buy from a 32GB ram perspective.
@@ThePhawxAlso the geek has a way bigger screen. But damn, I love oled. Ayaneo is making this hard for me lol
@@unknown183yep wish we could have the best of both worlds
I’ve made a decision having giving some thought. I’m sold on the Geek 1S. It was a tough decision but I am able to get this and upgrade the 512GB ssd to a 4TB version still be under cutting the cost of an air 1S. Plus a bigger screen. Yeah I weighed in. That’s the one.
@@unknown183 yeah it's a hard choice the onexfly looks nice too, then the upcoming aokzoe a2 looks really clean might be my favorite yet, has the bezelless look similar to the ayaneo 2s
Wow, $1100😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Lite model isn't even that mush smaller. e-waste as the slightly larger model is better
I Phawx wit dat shirt
It wouldn't hurt for them to opt for mini-led instead but with a slightly larger screen.
They should enable an 80% lock on the battery. Only 100% is terrible
Not really.
I'm not a fan to play PC games with small fonts on this device. 7 inchs up would be better.
If it wasn't for these huge bezels...
Yea, if this could be 6" OLED mannnn
Hard pass. I had so many issues with my ayaneo air plus I ship it for warranty and I'm still waiting on an update. It's been over a month, people go for the steam deck or Asus rog these Chinese corps have horrible warranty
Sorry to hear about this experience. It will take a month at a minimum to get it serviced from them directly. Have they been keeping you updated via emails or anything?
@@ThePhawx I get emails only when I keep pushing them. Since last email I sent them it was a few days ago (4)and I've been left in the dark. I also got DHL returned 2 times in the whole process. It's very frustrating
Not 120hz a hard pass
5.5 inch is a hard no for me.
Same. 6.5 is minimum for AAA games.
:D I feel this. I love looking at the OLED but I won't like that it's 7" minimum (that's what she said)
My ex wife said the same thing
Landscape display is the only way forward.none of these vertical screen are good. Will never buy an vertical display as 7 out of 10 games won't work properly. I not even gonna mention older games......
If only this was 120hz (or 144hz) AMOLED with BFI, it would be a really nice option, but 60hz has just far too low of a motion resolution, about 200 TVL at the most, so under 20% of the advertised resolution @ anything over 10 FPS, only static images will be the full advertised 1080p .
You're crazy. 60fps is absolutely perfect. Anything more will destroy the battery and is absolutely unnecessary in portable gaming, and often times in full on gaming as well.
OMG, that’s too hot for handheld not comfortable to hold .
this device makes 0 sense.
The Phawx, your videos have been getting very verbose and overly technical. Hard to watch at times, perhaps simplifying the structure could prove beneficial.
I wonder if I should do a quicker first impressions video and following it up with a more technical one
Idk he is the only one that goes this in depth which i like.
@@ThePhawxhe's giving bad advice.
great vid
@@ThePhawx its your channel, just wanted to share some feedback from a relatively technical person. I do like hte idea of an impressions video which maybe more subjective and to the point then a follow up deep dive.
Completely agree with you. It can be too technical. I think a first impressions video followed by a "in depth" video would be beneficial.
Hi
Hello
at that price its not worth it
The base model is the same price as its competitors what are you talking about?