he is the best counter for meta hero these days who relies on their skill.he got nerf so bad making him the most underrated assasin.still remember the days where he always got banned :) same goes to karrie.these both two heroes are really good at countering barats tbh
@@wantsomecoffee5994 yea karrie damage is great for destroying tank but is pretty weak compared to miya or hanabi or layla late game wise,plus her range is really short which makes her really hard to poaition
@@kirtimaanlangthasa6845 before the nerf his first skill can apply silence without using ultimate but they nerfed it so he only applies silence when using ultimate
Literally they took part of his story and lore, he is shadow character that can silence enemies. Now they removed his silence from passive and first skill. He is usless right now. Easy to dodge his damage and easy to kill him because he lost his passive.
After the nerf on his 1st and passive, Helcurt has gone pretty downhill. He's now really ult dependent since he can't usually kill someone without his ult because of the small 1st skill AOE and lack of silence especially if he's using retribution and not petrify. His passive on the other hand is like 90% non existence in games. There's only a few situations where you would notice it such as Franco and Tigreal's ult, Guinevere's 2nd skill and purposely standing underneath a Ling ult to silence him but even then it's pretty unlikely to find yourself in most of these situations. But the worst part about his passive is the fact it only works when you are CC'ed and that's pretty bad since most CC last just as long as Helcurt's passive silence so basically you are stunned and can't really do anything but your silenced victims can still pretty much run or do autos and their teammates can still finish you off during your CC duration. Wish Helcurt could somehow get a revamp, I mean it's not impossible to use him in high rank like I still use him and do pretty good but he's not a preferred choice when assassins such as Lancelot, Hayabusa and Ling exist. Maybe a mark mechanic where he gets a reset on his 1st skill and every 3rd cast causes his 1st skill to also do a silence.
giving hc more mobility and cc immunity + silence AND burst damage will make him a great assasin to counter strong fighters that always gets banned (i.e paq, barats)
AND THE HUGE DAMAGE NERF ON SKILL 2!! That gives marksmen too much of a fighting chance so if they build even one defensive item late game, you’re toast!!!
His passive was changed to how it was in the first place, when helcurt was in the ban list. I remember helcurt's passive getting nerfed and then he was removed from the ban list however when he was changed back to how he was, before nerfing, no one played this hero.
His passive literally became the worst in the game. He lost usefull silence on passive now he has useless cc silence lol, and he lost silence on his first skill and that gives enemies easy time to dodge his damage skill with dashes.
There's also the part where I can't remember when, but I think his 2nd skill's dmg was nerfed into the ground, or he just couldn't keep up with the dmg output of other assassins. I just feel like his 2nd skill dealt way more dmg before, when he was released.
@@leikezeold1376 yes, his second skill was nerfed from 140% extra damage scalling to 90% extra damage. Literally doesnt deal damage anymore, just build crit items on him. His passive used to be one of the best, but now its one of the worst and it even has cooldown on it LOL. And he cant silence you with first skill so enemies can literally dodge his damage skill by dashing or stunning Helcurt. He is useless.
Natalia is stronger than HC since she has silence and basic attack immunity while Helcurt only has silence Their damage output is also comparable but Natalia is stronger in the early game and she is still playable in Late Game just like Selena
Well since I’ve playing the game since season 3 the notable nerfs I can remember is 1. He can’t have petrify as his spell since Moonton really wants to copy LoL but won’t allow you 2 spells like LoL (so it’s an indirect nerf) 2. 2nd skill damage nerf for the jungle and creeps 3. Passive nerf and change to him being able to silence when he’s being CC’d and not like before when he gets attacked regardless, since he’s so squishy
@@Sir67-2 yea, that was the reason helc was op. you use second skill to attack, then ultimate to escape. because you don't need to use ultimate to silence enemies, most helc users use the ultimate to split push. but when it was removed, together with the nerf on passive, he became mediocre and underwhelming
@Freak Show Yes,he could silence eneny with his 1st,but now he can only silence with ult 1st,and his passive allowed him to silence enemy that used any skills at him,now he can only silence those who used CC skills at him
Helcurt is the worst assasin ever. He has the most useless passive, he has easly dodgable damage skill, he cant silence you anymore without ult,and his deadly stingers were nerfed so hard that its better to build critical Helcurt.
I still remember the fear I felt everytime a good helcurt player ults, the chills it gives me as a marksman user is forever tattooed in my body. Ngl i clearly forgot about him already.
Helcurt used to be my most favorite assassin and frequently played back in the days he helped me reach epic back in 2018 but now i rarely play him, his passive was so op and skill 1 but moonton decided to screw the cockroach over. Ive been playing him again but as a tank in early game and it works
I used to main helcurt since his release, He got nerfed so much that I decided to switch to Chou. Also I remember when he didn't need to use ulti to silence the hero
My Helcurt Revamp Idea: Passive: (Added)When hit with a cc skill, removes all cc effects. (Buffed)silence the enemy for 2s(Cooldown 8s). 1st Skill: (Buffed)Shorter cooldown and wider radius. (Nerfed) Dash range is reduced. 2nd Skill: (Added)When full stack, the stingers can now do poison damage and slows down enemy by 40% for 1s, poison damage is increase base from enemy's lost hp. (Nerfed) weaker damage of stingers. Ult: (Added)Resets 1st skill cooldown, adds full stack of 2nd skill, and next basic attack deals 150% attack damage and silences target. (Buffed) Reduce Ult cooldown by 5s in all levels.
There were times when playing helcurt I couldn't even stack up anything because teammates would just take everything. They really need to change the cooldown on his ult, allow him to maintain stacks for longer period of time plus widen his 2nd skill and just like barat give him stacks when he respawns from dead and add more slow to his first skill or lower the cooldown. Theres just a lot for him to maintain in this fast paced game where evryone can just spam their skills.
Here i am reaching in Mythic Glory 1k with Helcurt ... and Elgin makes a video of how his stack dependant n useless helcurt is, without his ultimate. 3 Tips for anyone trying Helcurt. 1. Build: Tough boots, Hunters strike, Dhs, golden staff, corrosion scythe and Brute force breastplate. With this build attack speed is on steroids, and golden staff gives u full stacks in 3 basic attacks and Corrosion scythe slows enemies so u can land ur spells properly ... Demon hunter sword n Hunters strike is flexible ... Buy Malefic roar or Blade of despair ... Whatever suits u. 2. Use helcurt's ultimate mainly as a way for u to steal objectives ... Unlike Elgin here. Espically if there's 1 or 2 minions inside enemy base range, use ultimate n start attacking base ... Enemies can't see u nor hear the base being attacked. Elgin had several chances to end the game early but he didn't use them. 3. Use Helcurt with petrify ... He isn't very viable as a jungler that much. Bonus tip: Don't listen to people who really have no experience on actually playing something. Elgin here did it as a way to showcase the re-released zodiac skin for helcurt, his opinions are based on the limited no. of matches he has with helcurt (with or against) and if I'm not wrong ... This isn't a mythic glory gameplay ... It's too slow paced to be mythic.
All of what Elgin said here was valid, all the assassins have better ways to engage and have multiple dashes at a minimum, if you miss your ult with ling? Who cares? If you whiff your Haya ult? Who cares? If you Whiff a Natalia Combo? Who cares just hide or dash away, of Hc dosent get his skills of he's a sitting duck with no way to escape and he is very ultimate reliant, most assasin's ults are there as combo extenders, they should buff him by doing what they did to argus by reducing his ult cooldown and giving him full stacks once i activates
Why helcurt is the most unpopular assasin: 1. Squishy. - Ever notice that assasins have escape skill or heal even without emblems? Yeah. Healthbar is low asf even marksmen have more hitpoints. Because of this, he can't even stay long in teamfights. 2. Escape skill - the same flaw with saber. You chase and you die. Unlike lancelot, ling or natalia that can go undetected with 1 simple skill, or others that have a speedup or reset in blink skill, he has nothing. 3. Damage is good, but not enough. - helcurt is a 1 hit hero. Meaning once he uses 2nd skill, he must run away. The problem is, sometimes enemy lasts longer than his silence and survives his skill 2. For reference, saber's full combo has armor buster and heavy damage with it. His cc duration is also dope. For helcurt, he can only target marksmen. Other than that, and he will not last long enough to kill his target. Take paquito, or chou, or aldous. They can punch away at helcurt even though they have low health because of how squishy he is and how much they are unaffected by his dmg source. 4. Lack of cc - He has silence, yes. ONLY IN THE ULTIMATE Look at ling, he has knockup to have room to deal damage Look at lance, he has lots of slow to help his skills aim easier Look at saber, he has stun to kill the target immediately Any other assasin, they have one cc skill that will get their hands on another kill. Helcurt just have a 30% slow, and a 1.2 silence. The slow is bad cuz anybody can still sidestep eith that slow. 1.2 silence is also not enough cuz he not natalia that can follow up with basic attacks that can chase the enemy. Helcurt? He jumps, lands his skill, then he and enemy (most of the time, enemy can blink away after lasting in the silence duration) can go away casually. They could have buffed his blink skill by resetting it, or could have changed his silence with a 70/80% slow. Look at his damn overall winrate, 45?!
@@vidfreakcreations2644 i'm a helcurt user. It just makes me rage that he is this weak. I understand that he should be easy to kill bcuz he is a threat to enemy team, but after removing his silence, he is not much of a threat any more.
Two things why Helcurt is unpopular: The damage source is heavily relied on skills, and also with the side-step techniques. Helcurt is like Lancelot (exceot Helcurt is more basic attack) but both share the same weakness of easy side stepping to their side.
Im sure it’s because of his passive because it’s annoying for a skill based hero like chou and badang. His ult is not that annoying unless you play a mm. He become less picked after moonton nerf his passive
Helcurt need some tweaks. Maybe longer/permanent retain on the second skill thorn thing so he don’t need to go back and forth to restack. From 8s to 12s. Shield when using blink skill. To increase survivability. Increase health. Then he might become middle tier.
his skillsets seriously need a revamp because of this meta. His kit is more like entering a teamfight but not having any chances to escape because of his lack of mobility and his first skill long cooldown. If you compare helcurt with ling or lance and fanny, all of these assassins have immunity or high mobility (ling first skill, lance second skill and fanny cables). This actually made him useless in the teamfight/late game and he starts to fall off during mid game.
Its hard for me to maintain every role in epic soloq since im mostly mm and mage main ijust want to rank up to mythic but epic is hell i can barely escape the hell matches sometimes
Helcurt is a great pick if your playing with reliable allies, like a 3 or 5 men team where you know that they know what to do. In solo or duo, is getting more harder to win with Helcurt, since the randoms will keep dying, not knowing what to do when winning to end the game as fast as possible. Would also be great to have like 1 or 2 late game heroes in the team in case the fight becomes long. Helcurt is amazing for first 15, 16 minutes, after that he starts becoming less and less useful. That’s why is important to push the game when leading with Helcurt so the game ends in first 15, 16 minutes.
Helcurt is actually a really good assasin rn, i just hope they lower his ultimate cooldown because that's his main initiation skill. If you didn't know, back then when you deal damage to helcurt you automatically get silenced which was quite op so i understand why they nerfed that. His new passive is actually good because he can cancel a prolonged cc but i hope they adjust so that there's a silence for each individual enemy cc so if he blocks the first cc and another enemy cc him it will be canceled. For better details: Helcurt passive: For the first individual enemy hero cc, helcurt silences the perpetrator. The next enemy hero who applies cc on helcurt will also be silenced and silence duration will be halved every new cc applied by a new enemy hero and has a cooldown of 4 seconds on each different cc and hero. To try to simplify what i mean: An enemy hero will be silenced when they apply cc to you, the second enemy hero who applies cc on you will be silenced but only half the duration and also applies to the next cc and has a cooldown of 4 seconds that will begin after the enemy applies cc.
I'm I the only one that helcurts passive does not work for? Eudora freezes me and should be silenced but she is not. I checked and my passive was not on cooldown yet I did not see any silence icon on eudora. She also did not have any control reduction
I'm convinced that hero design is the most determining factor in the hero's popularity. Faramis, Vexana, Helcurt, Zhask, etc. Even the OP Balmond is only popular for a while before it stabilized somewhere in the middle popularity (the last time i checked)
I still remembered how banned helcurt back then I'm a guinevere user and helcurt's silence really annoys me and now he rarely appears in classic and rank
15:30 it would have been better if you distracted them by pushing so one of their teammates will go back and defend, leaving some of their allies outnumbered, this will make it easier for your teammates to get lord, if their non damage ally goes back to the base, you can go to the lord area and kill their dmg dealer, if the dmg dealer goes back to the base instead of the non damage dealer, then you can go back to the lord area and help your teammates
I think helcurt is pretty good but I just reached epic 2 and I have played for about five weeks so I guess my opinion is not much and there are probably plenty of ways to counter the problems I am having with helcurt
Well firstly he has a tanks passive on an assasin. He can silence the person who CC-ed him but as an asssasin getting CC-ed in a bad spot means you are dead anyways. If his passive was put on a tank it would be pretty distruptive but not helcurt. Second he needs to keep up stacks to deal any damage and his stacks can only be obtained in melee. This is awful when you are behind even just a little as the enemy can simply deny jungle and threaten lane and snowball until you are less than half a hero. Lastly his skill 1 no longer silences without ult. This makes him as dependent on ult as argus, except if the enemy groups up, his ults effectiveness is significantly reduced regardless as he can be bursted down. This is especially true when he is behind as he can end up being nothing but a melee minion when he has no ult.
I wish helcurts ult immediately grants him 5 stingers and doesn't show any notification that you or your teamate slay an enemy(the notification will appear after the duration)thus will ensure enemy not knowing helcurt had been because they dont know which ally had died,it is a good addition because during teamfight,most enemies cannot know which ally if them died and it will grant a more surprise effect to helcurt, Wish devs do it
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he is the best counter for meta hero these days who relies on their skill.he got nerf so bad making him the most underrated assasin.still remember the days where he always got banned :) same goes to karrie.these both two heroes are really good at countering barats tbh
What will be the least picked marksman??? Kimmy?
@@Gian872 karrie
@@wantsomecoffee5994 yea karrie damage is great for destroying tank but is pretty weak compared to miya or hanabi or layla late game wise,plus her range is really short which makes her really hard to poaition
Maybe not the best
They nerfed my helkitty soo bad :(
Hororo’s Karrie video : hunts Helcurt
Elgin’s Helcurt video : hunts Karrie
Perfectly balanced as all things should.
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The Squels
it's so fascinating how before people would ban helcurt almost every game but now,, he's barely played
yeah his passive was nerfed. Before after every skill 1 there was silence. I think so
@@sanketbhattacahrjee6495 they removed the silence of his first skill...
He got a nerf streak
Before he was nerf he was op af....the silence was insane
He is still good.
Elgin: Dominates with helcurt
My teammate helcurt: Always feed and run like a cockroach
Choox: *IPISS*
@@Chrono_topher LMAO TRUE
Ipis is cockroach
HC is situational assasin and cannot carry team... literally whem both offlaner lose eventho i got kills in early still can't do anything
Being core assassin always blame for being useless.
He's the embodiment of "from the top, make it drop"
From being banned to being not picked right after the nerf of skill 1.
How skill1? Explain
@@kirtimaanlangthasa6845 helcurt's previous skill 1 has silence effect. Now, it only has slow effect.
passive silence too.
@@kirtimaanlangthasa6845 before the nerf his first skill can apply silence without using ultimate but they nerfed it so he only applies silence when using ultimate
Literally they took part of his story and lore, he is shadow character that can silence enemies. Now they removed his silence from passive and first skill. He is usless right now. Easy to dodge his damage and easy to kill him because he lost his passive.
Poor helcurt was nerfed so much that everyone forgot him
Faramis was forgotten too
We still remember him on the sewers with the rats.
@@BRUH-lx3jv Bruh?
@@nb-jb8uy haha I see what you did there
@@xxDanielsWorldxx :)
_”The problem of being the fastest running hero in mlbb is that you can only live in darkness”_
*_- Helcurt probably_*
Now you again
_"The problem of me as a hero, is because of enemies always expecting a good user"_
*-- Fanny, probably*
_"Heroes never fade"_
- Zilong Probably
Okay
_"I can't clear minions fast"_
-- *floryn probably*
Helcurt is the perfect embodiment of the phrase
"I once ruled the world'
Helcurt: Why am I so unpopular in high rank lobbies :(
Hanzo: Don’t worry my friend, I have felt worse.
Lmao
As a hanzo user I felt this
"the strongest.... And the loneliest.
.."
@@rubychan9169 I kinda hate when I dominate the game with Hanzo,
But My team is feeding and blame me when we lose the game.
@@simplestickland3367 dudeee i got 2 savage and my team losttttt
After the nerf on his 1st and passive, Helcurt has gone pretty downhill. He's now really ult dependent since he can't usually kill someone without his ult because of the small 1st skill AOE and lack of silence especially if he's using retribution and not petrify. His passive on the other hand is like 90% non existence in games.
There's only a few situations where you would notice it such as Franco and Tigreal's ult, Guinevere's 2nd skill and purposely standing underneath a Ling ult to silence him but even then it's pretty unlikely to find yourself in most of these situations. But the worst part about his passive is the fact it only works when you are CC'ed and that's pretty bad since most CC last just as long as Helcurt's passive silence so basically you are stunned and can't really do anything but your silenced victims can still pretty much run or do autos and their teammates can still finish you off during your CC duration.
Wish Helcurt could somehow get a revamp, I mean it's not impossible to use him in high rank like I still use him and do pretty good but he's not a preferred choice when assassins such as Lancelot, Hayabusa and Ling exist. Maybe a mark mechanic where he gets a reset on his 1st skill and every 3rd cast causes his 1st skill to also do a silence.
giving hc more mobility and cc immunity + silence AND burst damage will make him a great assasin to counter strong fighters that always gets banned (i.e paq, barats)
Oh yeah forgot to mention his ult doesn't give you assist anymore so yeah....that's a nerf I guess
@@Gatoxintoga892 first nerfed passive, 2nd nerfed on his passive, 3rd on his 2nd skill damage and 4th longer ult and no assisy from it.
Oh he was also a auto banned hero back in 2018-2020 even in MPL (MPL S1-S6) if you are a fan of MPL nor watch you already know this thing
AND THE HUGE DAMAGE NERF ON SKILL 2!! That gives marksmen too much of a fighting chance so if they build even one defensive item late game, you’re toast!!!
He was the most banned hero back in the days
Yeah mate, I remember the horror he laid in back old days.
Agree, when his normal 1st skill has silence cc and his passive triggers when enemies are nearby him
elgin:Helcurt is a unpopular assasin
Moonton:but..she is pretty strong,i mean he
Even though hes not picked often, he still intimidates me to hugging my 1hp tower
😂🤣🤣👍🏾 I felt that
I remember back then when his passive is irritating
His passive was changed to how it was in the first place, when helcurt was in the ban list. I remember helcurt's passive getting nerfed and then he was removed from the ban list however when he was changed back to how he was, before nerfing, no one played this hero.
@@hotice4746the reason he in the ban list is because his old passive was silencing enemy that hit him with skill damage
@@KeyBell
Yeah specially who use skill
Ex fanny
@@KeyBell Dont Forget his ultimate that always surprise you outta nowhere
His passive literally became the worst in the game. He lost usefull silence on passive now he has useless cc silence lol, and he lost silence on his first skill and that gives enemies easy time to dodge his damage skill with dashes.
Well it has probably something to do with the nerf on his 1st skill where he can only silence the enemy with his ult. He's still a good assassin tho 💪
He’s a pretty balanced assassin in my opinion and he isn’t so bad once you master him
There's also the part where I can't remember when, but I think his 2nd skill's dmg was nerfed into the ground, or he just couldn't keep up with the dmg output of other assassins. I just feel like his 2nd skill dealt way more dmg before, when he was released.
@@leikezeold1376 He can literally one shot mms and mages with it
Back then you can easily win 1v1 in lane but now you can't without being the team's core
@@leikezeold1376 yes, his second skill was nerfed from 140% extra damage scalling to 90% extra damage. Literally doesnt deal damage anymore, just build crit items on him. His passive used to be one of the best, but now its one of the worst and it even has cooldown on it LOL. And he cant silence you with first skill so enemies can literally dodge his damage skill by dashing or stunning Helcurt. He is useless.
He's very very strong, but extremely squishy. He may even be squishier than Natalia
Natalia can easily escape
Natalia is stronger than HC since she has silence and basic attack immunity while Helcurt only has silence
Their damage output is also comparable but Natalia is stronger in the early game and she is still playable in Late Game just like Selena
@@MewKen did anyone ask bro? Every hero is good
@@im_misfar940 he is just telling his opinion for God sake... And no not every heroes is good that the point of meta
@@MewKen helcurt doesnt even have that much silence anymore.
Well since I’ve playing the game since season 3 the notable nerfs I can remember is
1. He can’t have petrify as his spell since Moonton really wants to copy LoL but won’t allow you 2 spells like LoL (so it’s an indirect nerf)
2. 2nd skill damage nerf for the jungle and creeps
3. Passive nerf and change to him being able to silence when he’s being CC’d and not like before when he gets attacked regardless, since he’s so squishy
I Agree👍
you forgot the time when helcurt can silence with second skill. now he needs to activate ultimate to do that
@@hikarii53 you mean first skill even without ultimate, if his second skill silence too its kinda op
@@Sir67-2 yea, that was the reason helc was op. you use second skill to attack, then ultimate to escape.
because you don't need to use ultimate to silence enemies, most helc users use the ultimate to split push.
but when it was removed, together with the nerf on passive, he became mediocre and underwhelming
@@hikarii53 first Skill was the silence then
When I'm using Guinevere I stay away from Helcurt and mind my business 😂
Its was one of the best assassine,until they remove almost all his silence
Yeah.. wish they bring the old passive back :(
@Freak Show Yes,he could silence eneny with his 1st,but now he can only silence with ult 1st,and his passive allowed him to silence enemy that used any skills at him,now he can only silence those who used CC skills at him
I love the way he uses his brain in the game and not rushing to a decision so much
Helcurt is quite underrated but his quite deadly especially his second skill
His burst is decent like aamons but they can be dodged
Helcurt is the worst assasin ever. He has the most useless passive, he has easly dodgable damage skill, he cant silence you anymore without ult,and his deadly stingers were nerfed so hard that its better to build critical Helcurt.
@@aatroxtheworldender933 facts
@@aatroxtheworldender933 yup she's useless without his ultimate but he's not the worst assassin IMO
@@aatroxtheworldender933 and his passive is really good like Franco guin ruby chou. So his passive is not useless.
Helcurt and zhask and faramis are my all time favorite heroes in this game. Sadly all of them is forgotten
Forgotten but Deadly
I still remember the fear I felt everytime a good helcurt player ults, the chills it gives me as a marksman user is forever tattooed in my body. Ngl i clearly forgot about him already.
Helcurt used to be my most favorite assassin and frequently played back in the days he helped me reach epic back in 2018 but now i rarely play him, his passive was so op and skill 1 but moonton decided to screw the cockroach over.
Ive been playing him again but as a tank in early game and it works
So like fighter?
I guess moonton wanted a flashy game to attract playerz. Having him makes the game like stasis. Lol
I love how Elgin explains everything. I love his voice as well
Remembering my first days in game, when helcurt used to terrorize us. That 'Night Has Fallen' line had pretty accurate meaning then.
I used to main helcurt since his release, He got nerfed so much that I decided to switch to Chou. Also I remember when he didn't need to use ulti to silence the hero
I think he is still good against heroes with CC his passive is very useful when helcurt is low hp
Remember when using this hero people would feed for me so I can get fed and one shot
Elgin : He's simply saying that he loves me.
Me : SUS.
My Helcurt Revamp Idea:
Passive: (Added)When hit with a cc skill, removes all cc effects. (Buffed)silence the enemy for 2s(Cooldown 8s).
1st Skill: (Buffed)Shorter cooldown and wider radius. (Nerfed) Dash range is reduced.
2nd Skill: (Added)When full stack, the stingers can now do poison damage and slows down enemy by 40% for 1s, poison damage is increase base from enemy's lost hp. (Nerfed) weaker damage of stingers.
Ult: (Added)Resets 1st skill cooldown, adds full stack of 2nd skill, and next basic attack deals 150% attack damage and silences target. (Buffed) Reduce Ult cooldown by 5s in all levels.
How much percent the stinger will the creeps and minion recieve
@@admiralbeluga6438
Helcurt's stinger damage is higher on minions by 10% and 20% on Jungle
This is beautiful
This is one of the best matches i saw on elgin channel. GG for both teams
11:45 almost like old argus, depending on ult, i swear helcurt needs rewamp with smaller cooldown
Being a guinevere main, I hate his passive.
As a alucard main his passive doesn't bother me
As a Helcurt main, I love ennemies who pick guinevere 😊
@@troll2jeux486 and I love how helcat got nerf so badly :)
@@chitaranjan8067 that was a good burn.
As a phoveus main, hes passive doesn't bother me
There were times when playing helcurt I couldn't even stack up anything because teammates would just take everything. They really need to change the cooldown on his ult, allow him to maintain stacks for longer period of time plus widen his 2nd skill and just like barat give him stacks when he respawns from dead and add more slow to his first skill or lower the cooldown. Theres just a lot for him to maintain in this fast paced game where evryone can just spam their skills.
Here i am reaching in Mythic Glory 1k with Helcurt ... and Elgin makes a video of how his stack dependant n useless helcurt is, without his ultimate.
3 Tips for anyone trying Helcurt.
1. Build:
Tough boots, Hunters strike, Dhs, golden staff, corrosion scythe and Brute force breastplate. With this build attack speed is on steroids, and golden staff gives u full stacks in 3 basic attacks and Corrosion scythe slows enemies so u can land ur spells properly ... Demon hunter sword n Hunters strike is flexible ... Buy Malefic roar or Blade of despair ... Whatever suits u.
2. Use helcurt's ultimate mainly as a way for u to steal objectives ... Unlike Elgin here. Espically if there's 1 or 2 minions inside enemy base range, use ultimate n start attacking base ... Enemies can't see u nor hear the base being attacked. Elgin had several chances to end the game early but he didn't use them.
3. Use Helcurt with petrify ... He isn't very viable as a jungler that much.
Bonus tip:
Don't listen to people who really have no experience on actually playing something. Elgin here did it as a way to showcase the re-released zodiac skin for helcurt, his opinions are based on the limited no. of matches he has with helcurt (with or against) and if I'm not wrong ... This isn't a mythic glory gameplay ... It's too slow paced to be mythic.
All of what Elgin said here was valid, all the assassins have better ways to engage and have multiple dashes at a minimum, if you miss your ult with ling? Who cares? If you whiff your Haya ult? Who cares? If you Whiff a Natalia Combo? Who cares just hide or dash away, of Hc dosent get his skills of he's a sitting duck with no way to escape and he is very ultimate reliant, most assasin's ults are there as combo extenders, they should buff him by doing what they did to argus by reducing his ult cooldown and giving him full stacks once i activates
Helcurt unpopular assasin?
*laughs in Epic*
Elgin: least picked hero, helcurt
Epic ranked: nah..
HEHEHE HIS MY MAIN GOT SAVAGE ON THE WAY THOUGH
Wait really I never seen Helcurt users in Epic
Elgin:Dominates the enemy team
Me:Running around like a cockroache
This is what they also did to Natalia. They should made his 2nd cast skill faster or made him a little bit tanky since they nerf his passive.
Helcurt ult doesn't even gives assists now when our ally kills enemy during our ult.. back it used to...
Yeah
12:00
I feel the same way. They should max his stack when he uses his ult, just like how Argus work.
Hc and Hanzo are forgotten META heroes way back season 15-16 (i can't remember exactly what season)
Even Gildark no longer uses helcurt because of the damage in his 2nd skill
Yeah, I noticed that....How Time passed for Helcurt :(
7:51 NICE EDITS
Even he is unpopular, I'm still fear his ult.
Enemy Helcurt:*uses ult*
Teamates and Me: RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
Hellcute's 1st skill must have blind effect on it and slow but while in ult it has blind effect and silence at the same time
As a Helcurt main I'm kinda sad that he's not receiving any attention at all :(
Am I right that we helcurt mains felt the same?
Why helcurt is the most unpopular assasin:
1. Squishy.
- Ever notice that assasins have escape skill or heal even without emblems? Yeah.
Healthbar is low asf even marksmen have more hitpoints.
Because of this, he can't even stay long in teamfights.
2. Escape skill
- the same flaw with saber. You chase and you die. Unlike lancelot, ling or natalia that can go undetected with 1 simple skill, or others that have a speedup or reset in blink skill, he has nothing.
3. Damage is good, but not enough.
- helcurt is a 1 hit hero. Meaning once he uses 2nd skill, he must run away. The problem is, sometimes enemy lasts longer than his silence and survives his skill 2.
For reference, saber's full combo has armor buster and heavy damage with it. His cc duration is also dope.
For helcurt, he can only target marksmen. Other than that, and he will not last long enough to kill his target. Take paquito, or chou, or aldous. They can punch away at helcurt even though they have low health because of how squishy he is and how much they are unaffected by his dmg source.
4. Lack of cc
- He has silence, yes. ONLY IN THE ULTIMATE
Look at ling, he has knockup to have room to deal damage
Look at lance, he has lots of slow to help his skills aim easier
Look at saber, he has stun to kill the target immediately
Any other assasin, they have one cc skill that will get their hands on another kill.
Helcurt just have a 30% slow, and a 1.2 silence. The slow is bad cuz anybody can still sidestep eith that slow. 1.2 silence is also not enough cuz he not natalia that can follow up with basic attacks that can chase the enemy. Helcurt? He jumps, lands his skill, then he and enemy (most of the time, enemy can blink away after lasting in the silence duration) can go away casually.
They could have buffed his blink skill by resetting it, or could have changed his silence with a 70/80% slow.
Look at his damn overall winrate, 45?!
Excellent explaination
@@vidfreakcreations2644 i'm a helcurt user. It just makes me rage that he is this weak. I understand that he should be easy to kill bcuz he is a threat to enemy team, but after removing his silence, he is not much of a threat any more.
He got nerfed so hard, I wish they buff him like make him have full stacks when he ults
Like Miya when she ults
Yes
Or make his ult like aldous like a maphack XD
just bring back what they nerf, or , make the stacks permanent and not vanishing
@applesilon his first skill should has silence like he used to have...
Or mabe if he uses ult enemies cant use skills/blinks within the duration
Helcurt getting ban Photo
Other assasin:Is that You?
Helcurt:Yeah,but that an old photo
Two things why Helcurt is unpopular: The damage source is heavily relied on skills, and also with the side-step techniques. Helcurt is like Lancelot (exceot Helcurt is more basic attack) but both share the same weakness of easy side stepping to their side.
Yeah
And the severe nerfs on him and low survibability rate
im still waiting for his revamp... hoping it'll be sooner
Moonton should give him a 2nd blink on skill 1 with a stun effect.
The moment he got nerfed, I'm no longer scared of him. That's how bad the nerf is
Man, I miss helcurt. He was nerfed so badly 😢
After immortality:*running around*
Enemy see you after immortality:why are you running helcurt
I remember helcurt was one of the most banned heroes before season 20 (I’m not sure if it’s correct) because of his annoying ultimate
Im sure it’s because of his passive because it’s annoying for a skill based hero like chou and badang. His ult is not that annoying unless you play a mm. He become less picked after moonton nerf his passive
Helcurt need some tweaks.
Maybe longer/permanent retain on the second skill thorn thing so he don’t need to go back and forth to restack. From 8s to 12s.
Shield when using blink skill. To increase survivability.
Increase health. Then he might become middle tier.
Still remember the time when Helcurt gets ban every single game, now i barely see a Helcurt user
Last time I actually see a Helcurt user is like 6 months ago
"Did I explain it right?"
Me:literally didnt understand what he said but just come in with the flow
I more love to build this build to helcurt
Battle axe,endless battle, windtalker BOD, Malefic roar
Immortality and Sea halberd for spare equipment
U forgot swift boots or tough boots dude
Helcurt with war axe,hunter strik,malefic roar using petify is a nightmare even for tank in mid game
@@josiahablog8242 i know but u know it already that boots is important so thats why I didn't put it in comments
his skillsets seriously need a revamp because of this meta. His kit is more like entering a teamfight but not having any chances to escape because of his lack of mobility and his first skill long cooldown. If you compare helcurt with ling or lance and fanny, all of these assassins have immunity or high mobility (ling first skill, lance second skill and fanny cables). This actually made him useless in the teamfight/late game and he starts to fall off during mid game.
this is my own opinion
I think helcurt is still good. He just need 1 mm for late game, and mm needs tnk, and tnk needs mage.♻
Ye pretty useless.
Lol
Ohohoho in epic rank soloq nowdays to get that kind of teamates are very frikin rare
Its hard for me to maintain every role in epic soloq since im mostly mm and mage main ijust want to rank up to mythic but epic is hell i can barely escape the hell matches sometimes
@@tea2562 I quit to be hyper so I can play some hero like support and tank ... It was fun game until they blamed you for no reason
Helcurt is a great pick if your playing with reliable allies, like a 3 or 5 men team where you know that they know what to do. In solo or duo, is getting more harder to win with Helcurt, since the randoms will keep dying, not knowing what to do when winning to end the game as fast as possible. Would also be great to have like 1 or 2 late game heroes in the team in case the fight becomes long. Helcurt is amazing for first 15, 16 minutes, after that he starts becoming less and less useful. That’s why is important to push the game when leading with Helcurt so the game ends in first 15, 16 minutes.
Helcurt is actually a really good assasin rn, i just hope they lower his ultimate cooldown because that's his main initiation skill. If you didn't know, back then when you deal damage to helcurt you automatically get silenced which was quite op so i understand why they nerfed that. His new passive is actually good because he can cancel a prolonged cc but i hope they adjust so that there's a silence for each individual enemy cc so if he blocks the first cc and another enemy cc him it will be canceled.
For better details:
Helcurt passive:
For the first individual enemy hero cc, helcurt silences the perpetrator. The next enemy hero who applies cc on helcurt will also be silenced and silence duration will be halved every new cc applied by a new enemy hero and has a cooldown of 4 seconds on each different cc and hero.
To try to simplify what i mean:
An enemy hero will be silenced when they apply cc to you, the second enemy hero who applies cc on you will be silenced but only half the duration and also applies to the next cc and has a cooldown of 4 seconds that will begin after the enemy applies cc.
I think you should just have to play better. Than relying too much from your hero spamming skills.
Hes so terrifying they didnt even bother making him a halloween skin
He’s easy to use but he’s hard to control due to how fast he can be in my opinion
Just wanna tell I found a bug on cyclops ult with silvanna cause when you hold dash after you use first skill you can still dash while immobilized
As an Helcurt main, my favorite part in a game is in rank when I hear the ennemy pick with their wonderful voice : GUINEVERE !
I'm so happy 😊
Bruh... Cringe kid.
elgin ikaw pinaka magaling mag turo sa lahat ng content creator sa pinas, thankyuuuuu labyuuu
I think moonton should revamp him or at least buff him :3
I think buff him and make his stack permanent that's good enough
@@istoletxtsbraincells2164 ikr,if he die the stack gone
Why no one has ever mentioned the game brand in the description? It displays as League of Legends!
Making the adjustment on helc ult where he gets full stacks might be useful
@MR THROW BOSS yea I think his ult has one of the longest cd in the game
The visual bug also happens on Odette’s Virgo skin, but only when she’s in the bush.
Part of her skirt turns completely black as well.
Badang Aurora & Hilda: We also have Zodiac skin and forgotten....you don't even mention us at all
Guys,I'm so curious how to have that build set navigator below on the mini map because it's gonna be a usefull tool for me
I'm I the only one that helcurts passive does not work for? Eudora freezes me and should be silenced but she is not. I checked and my passive was not on cooldown yet I did not see any silence icon on eudora. She also did not have any control reduction
Elgin plays Helcurt:
Also description has League of Legends👀
Hey elgin, can you review the buff martis?
Elgin: Helcurt is the peast picked hero with Zodiac skin.
*Sad Hilda and Minotaur noises*
I'm convinced that hero design is the most determining factor in the hero's popularity. Faramis, Vexana, Helcurt, Zhask, etc. Even the OP Balmond is only popular for a while before it stabilized somewhere in the middle popularity (the last time i checked)
I still remembered how banned helcurt back then I'm a guinevere user and helcurt's silence really annoys me and now he rarely appears in classic and rank
Moonton did him dirty
Miya is probably the hero with the most identical skins, but her legend skin is underrated👀
hey men can you make a vid about bugs cause i recently found 1 its from vale you can't upgrade his skill once you hit lvl 4
Ilove the part that when Elgin try to steal the Lord than Ending the Game by pushing in mid lane while enemy distracted in killing the Lord
I remember last time i use helcurt ult for free assist😂
this guy and lancelot has been a real nightmare back then, they're always banned 😂
15:30 it would have been better if you distracted them by pushing so one of their teammates will go back and defend, leaving some of their allies outnumbered, this will make it easier for your teammates to get lord, if their non damage ally goes back to the base, you can go to the lord area and kill their dmg dealer, if the dmg dealer goes back to the base instead of the non damage dealer, then you can go back to the lord area and help your teammates
I can only imagine eyok screaming for help when he was getting killed😂😂😂
hey bro. can you ask moonton to do something about blinks that cant go tru obstacles. like hc blink and gush ss. cant pass those obstacles
I think helcurt is pretty good but I just reached epic 2 and I have played for about five weeks so I guess my opinion is not much and there are probably plenty of ways to counter the problems I am having with helcurt
His jokes are not cringe at all😂 and I love his humor.
Excellent Explanation
Explain Other hero's please so the moontoon understand you anytime
Well firstly he has a tanks passive on an assasin. He can silence the person who CC-ed him but as an asssasin getting CC-ed in a bad spot means you are dead anyways. If his passive was put on a tank it would be pretty distruptive but not helcurt.
Second he needs to keep up stacks to deal any damage and his stacks can only be obtained in melee. This is awful when you are behind even just a little as the enemy can simply deny jungle and threaten lane and snowball until you are less than half a hero.
Lastly his skill 1 no longer silences without ult. This makes him as dependent on ult as argus, except if the enemy groups up, his ults effectiveness is significantly reduced regardless as he can be bursted down. This is especially true when he is behind as he can end up being nothing but a melee minion when he has no ult.
Look how they massacre my little cockroach
The shade to Aamon on 2:47 😂😂
I wish helcurts ult immediately grants him 5 stingers and doesn't show any notification that you or your teamate slay an enemy(the notification will appear after the duration)thus will ensure enemy not knowing helcurt had been because they dont know which ally had died,it is a good addition because during teamfight,most enemies cannot know which ally if them died and it will grant a more surprise effect to helcurt,
Wish devs do it
Yes u absolutely explained the ult right 🤣...u never fail to make me giggle Elgin...keep it rolling my man
THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS GAMEPLAY EVERYTIME SO CALM UGH 😩