magic rust spray DIY. secret formula
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places to find phosphoric acid.
farm supply stores. generally named milkstone remover
home depot. concrete etch
Janitorial or industrial cleaning supply stores.
Amazon. I heard it's costly there
Pool supply stores. product to remove scale and calcium buildup
mixture. 19 parts phosphoric acid diluted to your desired strength.
1 part ethyl alcohol (ethanol) 
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Thankyou mate. I love people like you. Big companies sell with little to no results sometimes cos at the end of the day they will tell you what they want you to hear. Cheers
No problem 👍
At a chemical level, phosphoric acid is attacking the iron oxide and converting it into ferric phosphate. The ethyl alcohol is not doing much of anything - but it serves as a wonderful way to dilute the acid.
The resulting black stuff is Ferric Phosphate, and is fairly rust resistant and acid resistant, but not terribly water resistant. If you want to spend the time and make everything clean at this point, the Ferric Phosphate mineral salt accumulation should be a lot easier to remove than rust, and once you're down to clean metal you can apply any sort of surface treatment.
For areas that are not exposed to water frequently, just leaving the ferric phosphate may produce the desired rust resistance. For areas that ARE exposed to water (which can dissolve and penetrate ferric phosphate) a polyurethane coating should serve admirably to prevent further damage.
My personal thought is that the ferric phosphate - the black textured leftovers of phosphoric acid - is rather attractive and nicely chemically inert. I have done a couple of trailer frames with it and just hosed on rustoleum or POR-15 and had decent results. Nothing is perfect, nothing lasts forever. But! Killing rust and sealing the affected area can really slow down the ravages of time.
It definitely has a purpose. Try with and without
@@justahandchannel absolutely! I have a '77 dodge plow truck that's got some serious rust remediation coming, I'll do some mixing and testing!
Glad to be of help
Cool thanks 😊
No problem
You are on the right track. Im an industrial chemist and 40 years ago i worked in a company producing rust removers and other interesting stuff. We produced something equivalent to Jenolite at that time. The key ingredients are the phosphoric and the solvent. Alcohol works. Obviously kerosene and water insoluble solvents dont. It forms a passive film that can be over painted. As another commenter said if there is heavy rust scale it only converts the surface so thick or loose rust is still better removed mechanically. Back in the day I experimented with rinsing or not rinsing after a few days and as long as the film is dry it doesnt make a difference to paint adhesion.
Phosphoric is slow to burn, so it wont damage your hands much, but its bad for your eyes especially with the alcohol in..... Safety first. The Philippines ER isnt where you want to be :) Or the vet......
Thanks for the comment.
What a great post. Thank you
Took a class on automotive refinishing. They suggested a phosphoric acid treatment before painting. The iron/phosphorous black is microscopically shaped like a layer of hay and promotes paint adhesion.
good to know thanks
Are you suppose to sand off the iron/ phosphorus black before applying paint?
It's not necessary. You can if you want to make it smoother.
Mate the formula works great! I mixed up a bottle and sprayed my rusty trailer and now it's ready for a paint job. I used Methylated spirits instead of ethanol and it seems to work just fine. I've been buying rust converters for $20 for 250ml in australia and your formula works better and way cheaper. Thanks for sharing the magic formula.
You're welcome. I'm glad to help!
Just what I need, I'm going to try it. My battle with rust is never ending.
Thanks for clear common sense instructions!
👍😄👍!!
You're welcome
Rust never sleeps
You can win against it if you do it right
Almost any strong acid will work for rust removal. My favorite cheap one is toilet bowl cleaner. As long as it has hydrochloric acid in it it will work. I've saved many motorcycle gas tanks with it.
I can't endorse or deny that claim. But I would worry about contamination and having to neutralize different kinds of acid. Whereas this formula will not need any of that. I wouldn't want to have something in paint and then see it bubble the first time it rains.
Yes, but Phosphoric as was stated does not corrode rubber, plastic , or soft materials. Vinegar works well too, but eats at seals, rubber etc.
That's spot on
Hydrochloric acid will made ferric chloride acid when it dissolves iron (which steel contains), ferric chloride acid will then dissolve steel given enough exposure. It will etch and protect and it may work fine but phosphoric acid will do a better job because it will convert the rust straight to iron phosphate ready to prime and paint and it’s not as bad (toxic gases) to with with
@RobHaag71 good to know. You learn something new every day.
As a shipwright, Phosphoric acid is indispensible. Thanks for laying out the proportions for first-timers. I have not heard of the ethanol addition before.... I will try it out. I have found that a coat of undiluted Phos overnight will actually dissolve rust without the severe pitting caused by HCl. It will leave a sticky residue which I wash off with hot water and air-dry. I then recoat with 1:2 Phos solution and let that airdry. This leaves a whitish powdery coating (the iron phosphate) which is protective, so dont wipe it off. This can then be paint-primed, or be sealed with epoxy. I am keen to see what the ethanol adds.... speeds up the air-drying🤔? Thanks for this neat video. There are a million rust-cure you-tubes, but yours is straight to the point, and I know it works.
Good day sir - i used this method on my hood hinges and springs- bought a gallon jug of 85 percent food grade and diluted to a 30 percent solution and a 45 minute soak and picked up a hinge and said repeatedly no f ing way! They look brand new! ( i did clean dirt/grease off first with oven cleaner) im sold! Thanks bud
That's great. I'm happy to help!
Great information! Thanks to the both of you for sharing!
You bet!
For someone like me, this is like magic! I’ve just bought a second hand car that has a few small rust spots that I can now treat and I’ll have a go at the underside too. Thanks so much for sharing this.👍
You're very welcome!
Dry Ice blasting is lightening fast and works and is safe on "everything" It dries almost instantly and works like "magic" ! It's a little pricey, but when you need it right now, it's worth it ! It also removes old cooked on grease and oil on engines , transmissions and rear ends ! The first time I used it, I could not believe my eyes !
There are various approaches to addressing rust issues. During my years in the media blasting industry, I discovered that crushed glass and plastic media are highly effective for vehicles that have undergone multiple body jobs and paint over the years. These media effectively remove all materials. However, it is important to note that this method may not be financially feasible or practical for many individuals and in many situations. I use the rust spray quite frequently as it's quick and easy.
The only place in metro Detroit area doing dry ice cleaning wants $1000.00 to do the underside of a car.
Dry ice blast is amazing but people are charging $3k+ in many areas for the underside of a vehicle.
I use a product which has phosphorus in it and I rub down any areas after I’ve wire wheeled the heavy stuff off. It works great. Helps the paint bind to it as well.
Yes, it etches the metal as well
Excellent video! I'm going to try this!
I've always sprayed old oil and diesel on old metal I wanted to stop rust. Works good.
Great video.
Thank you!
Thank you for the great tip Bud!
I did exactly as per your directions and it works great "at a fraction of the cost".
Cheers, Lee
You're welcome!
Wow! That's the best rust converter I've seen. Thanks for the info. I really appreciate it!
I spent years looking for the right solution. I'm glad to share it with you
Nice one will try this. Hi from the uk
Thank you, Brother, for sharing knowledge. I have a large trailer smoker I plan on having sandblast. I was worried about overnight rusting from dew forming on the tank. You saved me a headache.
Glad to help!
RUclips is very strange sometimes... I would say that at least 80% of what I watch on YT (I have no cable TV) is restoring old cars and travel channels about the Philippines. Channels such as Fitzee's Fabrications, Uncle Tony's Garage, Dead Dodge Garage on the auto restoration side and Old Dog, Sunshine Shoulders, Q Adventures, The Regular Guy on the Philippines, and yet it appears to have taken a long time for YT's algorithm to put two & two together for me to serve up your channel! And to top it all off, I'm a Mopar guy. Anyways, glad your channel popped up in my feed and I will check it out. Cheers from a fellow Ontarion.
I'm glad you finally found my channel. You're right about the algorithm. It's hard to get myself out there
Same here.. appreciate your video and Texas is in The house.. Very grateful for the info! . I have the cheapo expanded metal table and chairs that have the rust thing going on, so will try your formula. Any thoughts of using muratic acid instead, since I have it on hand. And did I understand correctly that there is no need to rinse, must wire brush and seal, before painting?
You are correct, there is no need to rinse or neutralize the formula. Muriatic acid can do the job, but you have to be very careful. How long you leave it on for it and to neutralize it properly. If you don't do things just perfect, then you will regret using it. If any of the acid remains, then it could ruin your paint down the road
Great info. Love the Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve shirt!
Thanks!
Thank you for sharing this, I purchased a spray can to deal with some lightly pitted areas on a tractor bonnet I did last year (that I couldn't clean up right with my angle grinder and wire brush) and paid 35 euro for it, it did exactly the same job you just did here at a fraction of the cost. That acid is sold here as milk stone remover for use in dairy equipment, all the best to you sir from Co mayo ireland, 🇮🇪
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!!
@@justahandchannel the pleasures all mine, it's great to see people like yourself that have knowledge of this stuff and are willing to share it, big industry won't make this info available that's for sure! All the best ,👍
CocaCola also contains a very small proportion of Phosphoric acid.
To clean the water channels in an engine - drain the existing water and
coolant. replace the hoses -
Fill the cooling system with approximately 3 large bottles of CocaCola
7 Litres or so - run the engine at idle for about to 10 to 15 minutes - then
drain - flush with water using a garden hose -
Re-fit the engine cooling system hoses - check first to see if any need
replacing - refill the cooling system with water - add your preferred coolant.
AND HAPPY MOTORING
Stay alert while driving pay attention to detail - and do not be distracted
by passengers or RADIO
Concentrate on driving.
As a former pilot - ex Military - 30 years service -
is why we have a sterile cockpit -
NO unnecessary chit-chat -- concentrate on flying and instruments
I believe that method is effective. However, it would be more efficient to use phosphoric acid directly instead of the entire Coca-Cola composition. As far as I can tell, phosphoric acid is the only active ingredient in this case. The effectiveness of carbonated water and sugar in this situation is uncertain.
I just got my 98 Jeep XJ back and its from Syracuse NY so I definitely needed this. Gonna use flame proof exhaust paint & truck bed liner to survive these Detroit winters. Subscribed
Thank you for your service🖖
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
AWESOME!! Thank you for this!!
Glad you liked it!
You sir are a Godsend, I've been looking for such a remedy!, Just gained a new subscriber!
Glad I could help. I spent years learning the best methods for car restorations. I'm glad to share it with everyone. More to come!
Nice upload Sir, I plan on using your solution to treat the frame on my lincoln town car. Your knowledge and experience is very much appreciated.
Keep informing the people...
Thanks. I plan to make more content like this. Stay tuned.
AWESOME video. It's so organic and yet it's very useful.
Thank you. That's why I like it so much too.
Thank you for the video on the rust remover pretty cool and you seem knowledeable on these type of things and would make someone a good friend .
Thank you Jerry
Thanks Jerry. I could use some friends here. 😁
Awesome info I wish I knew this a long time ago. Thank you for sharing!
Better late than never.
Thank you for your tips on rust removal 🙏 I’ve just bought a used stick welder and your suggestion will come in handy for removing rust from incomplete projects that left outside in the garden as they are too big to go in the garage 🙏
Glad to help
Gold mine of information. Suprising results. Thanks alot.
You're welcome alot! 😁
I have used this phosphoric acid treatment for 40 years. After treatment it usually stays black unless I leave it out side over night and the moisture gets to it. Then I usually have to do it again as overnight the rusting process can begin again.
Thank you very much for this no nonsense video on rust remediation.
You are very welcome!
Awesome. Thanks for the vid!
You bet!
You're Awesome, Thank You!! An alternative to all the expensive products online that are probably the same thing, but you made it cheaper. I have an old Bronco that needs this.
Cheaper and not watered down! You are quite welcome.
You are correct sir rust is a. Form of energy that never sleeps it's to bad we can't harness that form of energy
I got an old bronco as well that needs some help.
How have I lived this long and not known this? Lol Thank you for doing this video. Subscribed.
Thanks for joining. We've been waiting for you 😁
Jeez, that's the first XR150L exhaust that I've heard that sounds GOOD! Got my 2024 XR150L last week (selling the vStrom). The XR needs jets, foot-pegs, front sprocket, ... to get started. (minimal costs). Then handlebars, exhaust, and a taller seat! (that's impossible to find, so far).
I think you confused my video with another. But thanks for watching!
Thanks for the rust removal tips!👍🏽
No problem 👍
This is really interesting. Glad you posted. I would much rather learn what is in the bottles rather than just buying a can of magic.
You're welcome
great video, thank you for sharing. need to try this on a bunch of rusted parts.
Go for it!
Amazing work. O O telega! Beautiful dog too! Thank you kindly.
Salamat!
Fantastic, keep 'em coming!
Thanks
Thanks for the info, hate wasting money when not necessary. Great stuff and newly subscribed, will keep watching.
Thanks for subscribing.
Ahhhh, good ole' Shopee...had to learn about that one when I was in Indonesia. The notification sound is addictive. lol
Great info, many thanks!!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for sharing this awesome tip. Thumbs up. 👍
You're welcome
Thanks for all your great information Brother we Appreciate You Folks! Godspeed, Stay Well and Keep up the good Fight!
Much appreciated will do!
nice video mate well done , you really do come across very well and remember we are all different but all the same ! good for you mate i look forward to more vids
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Thanks 👍
❤😂 Your beautiful dog is like a bratty little kid,talking back when you told him to get away from the chemicals 🤣
Yes, she has quite the attitude 😆
Thank you for sharing this!!
You are so welcome!
I have to say this mix works fairly well. I tested on a rusty crusty spare rim. Wire wheel the rim then put mix on with paint brush. Now I will prime it and it should be good to go. 02 tundra underneath up next. Xxx finger!!! Heavy pitted rust gives you a hammered type look,but it gets in the bumps. Thank you for the video. Got my stuff from duda in AL, but check local farm stores,as it is also a fertilizer! +
Glad it worked well for you!
Will give it a shot, thanks! I love your beautiful German Shepherd!
You're welcome. Thanks! She has a lot of videos dedicated to her on this channel, too.
I watch all the old car restoration stuff I can on RUclips. And I'm happy the algorithms brought me to you sir. I loved basic chemistry explanation as well, I love to know how things actually work. I've done several restorations, with the pre made stuff. I'll be using this 65 Stang coupe, I'm doing with my high school buddy. We'll be using this to kill our rust instead.. Thanks for the education!!!! Be well my friend!!!
You're very welcome. I'm glad I can help you with your restorations!
Great tip. thanks for sharing.
You're welcome!
Phosphoric acid is also the main ingredient for parkerizing solution in gunsmithing.
It is used for many different purposes. And the companies slap their name on it and charge ridiculous amounts to purchase it. You can buy a pass all of that and save a ton of money.
I have always wondered how the parkerized. Had a shotgun parkerized in the early 80’s .still have it and it looks like it did when it was done. It is my beater gun.
@@marshallcollins8634I’m
I have been using Kleen Strip Concrete prep, available at most home improvement stores in the states and far less expensive than the Ospho brand with the same chemicals.
Phosphoric acid is the key though, thanks for the video.
You're welcome!
Me and hubby have classic cars and we buy shed loads of rust treatments so this will save us money
Thanks matey
Mandy
Devon
Uk 🇬🇧
It is my pleasure to assist my fellow car enthusiasts. It is crucial that we make every effort to preserve as many of these automobiles as possible.
Did similar spray under my car when i replaced a subframe, worked well
That's great!
@@justahandchannel my only regret was it dripped on to a concrete floor and the acid did a number on it
Phosphoric acid is also used as concrete etcher, So that doesn't surprise me. You must have had a coating on it because it wouldn't hurt the concrete if it was bare
Awesome. Live in Maine and I have a good paid for truck that I want to keep going. Thanks
No problem!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge..this sharing of knowledge is what makes youtube a good thing
It is great when people share the proper information and not fake.
Klean-strip metal etch and prep (contains phosphoric acid) at lowes/home depot is the best Ive used for dipping rusted parts in but I imagine pure phosphoric acid works even quicker.
Great vid. Thanks for sharing.
Subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
Great! Now, here in Norway i pay ca 10 $ for 250 ml of water based rust converter which works great, and that amount covers a lot of metal. To keep the rust away from my 1977 Ford Escort long term more is needed - Fluid Film.
Fluid Film is great stuff. I use it to protect high carbon steel.knives and outdoor equipment in storage. Apply as THIN a coat as possible in those cases, a literal film is all you need
Thank you for this video it really helped me out. I used the the bed liner stuff and paint brushed builds up on my under body of the car . If I sprayed it on it should eat throw all that stuff underneath the car. Maybe? I have a 2005 mercury montego with only a 116,000 mile and had this car for 5 years now. 5 years ago it had 75,000 miles then. The transmission use to Bang in over drive and kick down. Only under pressure. I changed the transmission fluid 2 qts at a time and started this at 78,000 miles it has a toyota transmission and had to use mobil 1 3309 mineral oils and since that time it's working pretty good and there is a way to reprogram the car with a wire . Take the negative wire off the battery and lift it off and put a towel over the negative post and then get a wire and connect from the positive cable to the negative wire without it touching the negative posts for a few minutes and then take it off and connect the negative back . Make sure everything in the car is off . Lights, air conditioning, and start car and let it idle for 10 minutes to relearn and then take it for a ride slow and then build up slowly relearn the way you drive and that's it. Not like old school, 70s and 80s car a screw driver and a pack of matches will get you started.
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That’s Super Cool! Thanks
You're welcome!
Thanks for the wonderful video. You could be my neighbour any day. It seems like you have an active mind with lots of stuff going on in it. I look forward to viewing mor of your videos.
Indeed, you are correct. My mind is constantly active, and I have numerous projects that I am eager to undertake. Please stay tuned for more videos. I appreciate your joining us.
Thanks so much. This makes sense as people have used pop to clean rust. Great to see the formula. Subscribing :P
Thanks for the sub!
I was trying to go back to these two videos of yours and went under “Just a Hand” I never saw that you have so many videos out. I will have to look them over.
I have made quite a few. Most have not gotten the views they should have.
Outstanding Information
Great and thanks!
Great tip. Thanks!
No problem!
❤this is so timely for me,thank you very much❣️❣️🙏🙏🙏🙏🥳🎉💃
You are so welcome!
My favorite rust treatment is rough sandpaper and a product called Extend. No need to was afterward and it dries like fibreglass and can then apply fiberglass or bondo or prime and oaint.
Give my formula a try, and it may just change the way you do things.
Good job! Thanks bro! I'll try it!
Thanks
That's the first exhaust on an XR150L that I've heard that SOUNDS GOOD!
Wrong video?
Great video I got my asset from a cleaning supply company they sell it to clean coffee machines here in Australia cheers Graham
Good to know thanks
New to me. Thank you for the information that will surely save money.
Glad it was helpful!
Just a hand, I like the pun. love your outlook on life as it is.
Thank you. Keep watching as our channel will get better!
Great information guys ty so much !
Our pleasure!
That’s great ……
Thank you very much
I’ve been looking for something like that for the underside of my cars and I can’t wait to put it to use
You're welcome, and thank you for watching!
Thanks for the great work. Do we need to paint over it or can leave as is? I am planning to do this in my cars engine compartment hard to reach places and underbody as well.
You're welcome. It will definitely last much longer if you paint it
Great video. Thank you!
Thank you!
Thanks for the info!!
You bet!
Awesome, thanks Sir!
You're welcome
As I sit here with my Willys project and muster new ideas on how to preserve this great piece of Americana. Thanks as I will definitely be using this technique.
Glad to help. Now get to work! 😄
Informative
Thanks!
Great video thx for sharing 👍
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Good video, Thanks!
No problem!
Excellent. Thankyou 😊
You’re welcome 😊
Thanks For your tip , answered my needs ! As im cleaning an undercoating a 30 year old truck today...THANKS
Glad to help
Thank you for the informative video. By the why I like your dog. 😊😊😊
Thank for watching. There are videos of her as well on the channel
Thanks for sharing.
I have gor some parts to try this on.
Just subscribed to your channel.
Thanks for sharing. 👍
Thanks for the sub!
Excellent advice thanks 🖖
No problem
Thank you for this information!
My pleasure!
The cheapest concrete etcher at HD right now is the Klean-Strip Concrete & Metal Prep. Is 20 bucks for a gallon and I believe is like 30% solution, pretty strong for my needs anyways and I use it straight out of the bottle on rusty metal. It turns light rust black and prevents bare steel from rusting a few weeks if left to dry on it. Good paint substrate for hard to reach rust. I usually go with that but I appreciate when something I use so much (restoring a classic but rusty car currently) can be made even cheaper. I plan to make a big bath of this stuff to dip large suspension component rusty parts. I will definitely use this mix for that If I can find a cheaper source for phosphoric acid. I live on an island as well and a local industrial supply wants $90 for a gallon of 85% pure phosphoric acid. Nuts.
Super tip thanks for the video!
No problem!
Thanks for a great video which is going to save me hundreds of rands. Surely going to buy these 2 products and have a go at the rust.
Glad to help!
Thanks for the information amigo. I appreciate tips like this.
No hay problema 😁
great info thanks
Glad it was helpful!
well done Sir must try that mix cheers
Please do!
No need to wire brush or clean is a bonus. Thanks for the video
No problem 👍
Thanks, Hope you're enjoying the Philippians, I have been considering a move that way for a while now. So I take it after such a treatment Tremclad could be used, and it would also act as a primer to avoid the rust coming back.
I would not suggest applying tremcled directly on the metal surface, as it may cause rust to reappear. Instead, consider using a high-quality epoxy primer as a base coat before applying the topcoat of your choice. This approach will provide long-lasting protection against rust.
@@justahandchannel Thanks for that tip I will use it.
Thank you so much for your video, and may God bless you and your family
We really appreciate that. Thank you so much!