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My dad was in jadotvile. He went out 3 days after i was born. He never spoke about what happened out there. They all came back alive which was incredable. I followed dad into the military and had 2 tours in Lebanon. My dad died shortly after they were recognised as heros. 22.00 12/6/24.
Sorry for your loss of your Da. I was horrified when I first read of their treatment on return after such a valiant defence and the lack of support from governments of the time. Makes me mad writing it. Much respect for your service also. All the best
Hi tony,where are you from?my dad was in the army a year after jadotvile he did 2 tours to Cyprus,I know he still keeps in touch with some of the army lads
Great video guys. I was the military advisor on this movie back in 2015 . Trained all the cast, stunts and over 300 extras. I ran a two week in-depth boot camp with an excellent armoury team along side me. Not many productions will give me so much freedom and the respect to do it right. I ran all the military sequences, battles and even talked to brave Irish soldiers who fought in the battle. Interesting fact it's that Captain Quinlan's grandson had a small role in the movie. I spent a lot of time getting the Senior NCO into character. Bless them. They put in the work. All in all we had an incredible time shooting this in South Africa. Have a great weekend fellas. Dan Hirst
You did a superb job - I wasn't expecting much considering it wasn't a mainstream production, but once the gunfights got going, it was really gripping.
@@wnose thanks. The biggest difference between a big budget blockbuster flop and a low budget independent epic is whether everybody cares about the project and there is a good script. On many of the big budget movies many of those involved just seen it as a payday rather than a cool story to tell well. We were all passionate and felt fortunate to be telling this story
EXACTLY what the last person said! You good sir, even if you try to be humble, obviously did a MASSIVE job in making this such a good movie!! I threw this movie on late one night in the background... The story and cinematography got me immediately interested, but the battle scenes...! The battle scenes cemented it as my second most recommended movie "that you probably skipped past" lol (Number 1 is Dredd with Urban)
@@TheDylls I definitely put my g heart into these projects and am very blessed to have been recommended for them. Thanks for your feedback. Making movies is my dream and it came true.
If you travel to County Kerry, Ireland, at Coomakista Pass (some of the most stunning views in the world) you'll find a memorial there to Commandant Patrick Quinlan who was born nearby. This is between Caherdaniel and Waterville on the Ring of Kerry tourist route. His son Leo, a distinguished soldier in his own right who has lectured worldwide about the siege itself, now runs a souvenir shop by the car park in Waterville. You can drop in and say hello and engage him in conversation about the siege, it's a fascinating story. The tactics Quinlan used are still studied in military academies worldwide.
Hey Noel, I designed the medal for these men and it was epic to see them get presented to those still alive but tbh they should have all received the top honours of gallantry or DSM instead of a mere remembrance token Medal specific to that one event..
I heard the actual soldiers who were in Jadot Ville interviewed shortly before the movie was released. The mercenaries were shocked to find that all the Irish soldiers were alive. They kept the Irish as prisoners for a while, and during prison exercise time, the Irish soldiers played our national sport, which is hurling. Chek out hurling on RUclips. The prison guards said "If they play games like this, no wonder they can fight". Hurling in Irish mythology is a warrior's game.
Them guys were with the 35th Battalion. They served from July to December 61, seige of Jadotville was in September but they finished their tour after that, it was a 6 month tour. They Irish soldiers were very well trained professional soldiers. I think the Gustav machine gun fired the 9mm rounds, Lee Enfields had the 303 rounds, great rifle for picking off the enemy, Bren and vicars had 303 rounds and FN-FAL has 762 rounds, think these rounds were well capable of picking of the enemy, the mortar crews were well trained and were able to pick off their targets. My Dad who is 84 now was with the 34th Battalion from Jan to June 61. Flew out in an American Aircraft called the Globemaster C124 from Baldonnel near Dublin to Wheelus AFB in Tripoli and then onto Elizabethville. He was a Bren Gunner and had a gustav. He saw several combat situations out there. They were trapped near a mine and were under siege and were rescued by the swedes after being attacked for days. Their water supply was also poisoned by dead animals. They had to fight their way out, no casualties. They were under siege at a train station taken UN supplies to the Swedes. Came under fire from Congolese army, Tshombes men and Luba tribesmen, were held up for hours, being fired upon by machine guns, mortars and arrows and spears. He said they hadn't a clue about mortars, fired them too high and they timed out, they sand bagged them. He was giving cover fire between train station and train, they were only 15 to 20 Irish, he said they left a lot of casualties on the other side. They saw awful things like coming accross a missionary with everyone slaughtered and nuns decapitated in a drain, apparently he suffered nightmares for years. He left the army a short time after getting home, his time was up. No work in Ireland in the 60s so off to London he went working on the buildings. Came home in 69 and met my mother. He was working in the mines near us, drilling and blasting for the 70s, no work after that, a major recession, was on the social. Never got anything ever off anyone for being a veteran, its not like America here, No VA. Unfortunately my poor mother died in 2000 age 55. He was heart broken but anyway he has 6 grown children and 7 grandkids. A hero in our eyes.
My dad was stationed in Leopoldville and Elizabethville in ‘61, the year before I was born. Our lads travelled in their uniforms they wore here in Ireland. They had no tropical uniforms. A Dutch officer couldn’t believe what they were wearing in the heat so he gave my dad his spare tropical uniform. His “best man” was killed in the ambush at Niemba. He wasn’t at Jadotville, he remembered how badly the returning soldiers were regarded in Ireland at the time. It was shameful. I still have his UN medal.
Footnote: The Leader of the Mercenaries was Roger Faulques. was a French Army Colonel, a graduate of the École spéciale militaire de Saint-Cyr, a paratrooper officer of the French Foreign Legion, and a mercenary. Grand officier de la Légion d'honneur (Decree of 16 April 2004. Commandeur, 19 July 1960) Croix de guerre 1939-1945 with 1 citation (bronze star) Battle hardened soldier against 150 Irish soldiers with no battle experience of any kind. They did their Country Proud
In most such cases the defenders of a fortified position will always prevail. Especially when being attacked by waves inexperienced badly trained 3rd world soldiers. So no big achievement at all really.
@@PhansiKhongolozasheer numbers alone it’s an impressive achievement especially with the fewer rounds of ammo and fewer weapons also to have no deaths on your side absolutely an impressive achievement so your trying to downplay people’s actual achievements because you probably have none yourself
@@eoincaomhanach1983 of course I don't! I've been fighting wars and poachers and hunting professionally in Africa since 1981! But you, the gamer from wherever! In your mother's basement......you know better than the professional from Africa!
The Irish government treated these guys as an embarrassment for decades. They were only recognised in the end due to the Irish population. Politicians 🤬 they only care about their own popularity, not about the people.
Irish government?, when are my southern bothers going to relies that Irish government wears union jack underwear, why when half the county is under occupation, is are soldiers of fighting other countries wars??? Clowns
Conor Cruis O Brien the worst of the lot he was happy to sacrifice my uncle and his fellow soldiers but these hero's came home which O'Brien hated and called them cowards. he was the coward.
The Irish 20th century revolution did not bring much justice for the people. It merely set up a self-serving political echelon that installed lackeys to protect it. 100 years same thing.
Great review lads.I am a former Irish soldier,it was an amazing feat for them all to survive and disgraceful the way they were treated by our government.The only thing missing from the movie was the omission of the two armoured cars with the Lewis machine guns that were commanded by my ex CO Kevin Knightly.These were integral to the defence of the post
The mistreatment of the Jadotville soldiers by the Irish government was the big take of this film. It is a period of shame that the UN and Irish government denied those soldiers the help and recognition they deserved to the extent that the phrase "Jadoville Jack" became synonymous with "coward" despite the Irish government and the UN knowing to the contrary. Those soliders were not cowards by any stretch of the imagination. Their compatriots who serve in Lebanon in the same role are of the same ilk. Brave men in a very sad story.
The film underestimates what they did. They took out a fighter with a WW1 machine gun, 3 jeep mounted modern(for the time) machine guns and 6 long range mortars with 3 short range mortars. The outfighting they did was utterly rediculous. There was another similar incident with a patrol in a jungle against the baluba tribe. 7 infantry ambused. All died, killed 100s of Balubas in the ambush when they had the advantage, high ground. There was also another absurd one in Liberia during the civil war there. A unit of Irish rangers(42) took on 250 heavily armed rebels holding dozens of hostages. They routed most of the kidnappers but captured 20 including the commander & rebel commander of the entire rebel force during civil war. No hostages harmed and only 1 Ranger fatality & even then it was due to a burst tyre flipping 1 of their jeeps by chance when extracting. Whats most impressive is they did it while operating under non lethal rules of engagement. Literally went 6:1 against a defended position with heavily armed defenders & a hostage risk using bean bag rounds & tazers & fucked the defender up
I was VFX supervisor on this movie in South Africa. Amazing story that happened on this production... the armorer had to source mp5s for the movie since that was historically what the Irish troops used. He was able to source two which were given to the leads. Part of his job by law is to do an audit of the weapons history and by the end of the shoot the report came back. The MP5 that Jamie and Jason used were issued in Ireland to the ACTUAL troops who fought in Jadotville and floated around warzones in Africa and ended up in the hands of actors portraying the battle they were first used in. Amazing. One other thing to note about this movie which I learned from my own research in prep for this project is that Jadotville was more of a jungle environment than veld / sahara as depicted in the movie. It was also a bigger town with more cover in general.
@@PeterTrevaskis_per Known in the States as the "Swedish K". Back in 1989/90, I did a tour in Lebanon. The Irish that rotated out when I was there had the "Gustav" and FAL:s, the ones rotating in had been rearmed with the AUG. As a Swedish staffer, I had the m/45, which is the original, Swedish version of the "Gustav"/"Swedish K". It was a great piece of hardware.
I’m a SSG in the Army and I watched this movie with Irish wife. She’s young and never even knew this happened. She was literally in tears because of what happened to them at the end. Great movie, great breakdown! And coming from an Engineer, god bless the proper use of demo! Keep up the videos guys!
I'm proud of you about that statement able "they fatal funnel themselves"that tells me that you're actually learning something from buck and that you know more about tactics than you think you do👍👍
Everyone who ever mentions Irish military boasts of these guys as heroes. I think all soldiers were scapegoats to the public at the time, but once that disgusting trend ended they’ve been legends who inspire their whole nation, and half the world besides.
✨ Thanks guys for covering this, it doesn't get as much coverage as it deserves. As a Paddy - or actually a Biddy, *im so proud of our guys & what they done* .Just to add, *the Irish state was only 40 years old then, we only got rid of the British in the 1920s so the state was still in its infancy, to a degree* . Certainly *the Irish Army were not up to par with the French & Belgian forces then - they were one of the best internationally and the Irish had only a tiny fraction of the forces the French & Belgians had in the Congo* .Also the Irish didn't even have the standard weapons of the day, some of them were *WW1 weapons or defective cast offs* . That they could hold off & inflict that damage on their opponents who had overwheming numbers compared to the Irish really is something to be so bloody proud of. As you said, surrender was the only sensible option if being killed is the other. *How dare anyone call them cowards for that* ? *Only someone who has never been in or knows nothing about combat would say something so utterly stupid & insulting* . They were heros & will always be remembered as such. 🇮🇪 ☘️
As a recovering alcoholic I applaud for abstaining. It wasn't a fun lifestyle. Was in rehab with a guy who literally looked like the C-3PO cause of liver failure.
"Danger Close: The Battle of Long Tan" is another great movie to watch. The song(I was only 19) at the end of the movie is really good too. Made me, my brother and father in law tear up a bit. Plus we were drinking so yeah.
No it’s a shit movie but the actual documentary narrated by Sam Worthington is outstanding and it’s on RUclips also. Look it up. Best military doco I’ve seen
The Irish have the medals to prove how fierce they are. Of the 3,464 Medals of Honor awarded as of September 17, 2009, an estimated 2,021 (58%) have been awarded to Irish-American recipients, more than twice the number awarded any other ethnic group; 257 Irish-born Americans have received the Medal of Honor which represents more than half of foreign-born MOH recipients Historically they made up around 25% of the British military too and their record there is equally as impressive considering Irelands tiny population. Of the 1,350 Victoria Cross medals awarded to date, Irish people have received 190 awards - the highest tally of any country, bar England (614) thus honoured. Scotland emerge in third place in the roll of honour with 158 awards and Australia comes next with 97 awards. Taking into account Irelands population those 190 crosses would be the equivalent of England gaining 2850. An extraordinary amount.
It's been said (on the quite) for years that the OC Pat Quinlan was actually slightly autistic. He was obsessed with WWI and turned the camp into a mass of trenches and fortifications, It's not really shown in the film but he had two WWI era vickers guns on tripods sited in for indirect fire, and it was those the inflicted the majority of the casualties. When they got back the Army just assumed Quinlan had done something wrong.
@@panoramicLight he did retire as a full colonel, which, at the time, was the highest rank Irish officers could aspire to.as there was only one general officer.
This is an unbelievable movie. But one thing which I find that is so interesting about the Irish psyche is how understated we are. Not known for over stating anything this is borne out in the Irish soldier. My own Dad was in the Irish Rangers, back in 1981 I think he trained, and served in Cyprus in the 70s and Lebanon in 83/84 and yet he never really spoke about any of the things he saw. He passed away in 1991, very young, and only last year I found out that he saved a Lebanese woman from being raped and her family treated him like royalty for the remainder of his tour. That was 1984. I only heard this story when someone shared a photo of my Dad with that family only last year. Nearly 40 years later... we never knew a thing... no doubt many other similar stories can be told. Should be told. But for now our thoughts our with my nephew, Dads grandson, who is in the Lebanon right now serving with UNIFIL. We're all very proud of his bravery...
I believe this was the first operation that the Irish army was deployed overseas, they had no kit no air to fly on! Supported by the the USA and UK in believe, did a good job. Went back to Ireland 🇮🇪 and were cast as defeated. Top class chaps, let down by the UN.
The "Never-fit-for-purpose" UN threw these men under a bus. Sad to say that an Irish UN representative, Conor Cruise-O'Brien, was in close proximity when all this was happening. He never raised a hand to help them. Charles de Gaulle contributed 1,000 French troops to the rebel side. Belgium supplied the aircraft that straffed the Irish troops. The shameful treatment they received from their colleagues and the Irish Government should never be forgotten.
Biggest question. Why were the UN and in turn the Irish, getting involved in this conflict which has absolutely nothing to do with either. Especially as the UN took the side of the commies in this conflict.
Here is one for you.@12:19 THE Irish Soldier in the Trench says Quinlan doesn't know what he is doing. is played by Patrick Joyce. Who is the Real Patrick Quinlan's grandson Conor Quinlan
I believe Quinlin studied Caesar's strategy and their strategy was adopted by the Australian army as part of their training, and reemember it was in 1961 .
The people had the highest respect for Col. Quinlan and his men. In the late 60's in school in Dublin he came into our classroom to collect a relation of his, I'll never forget the pride in the teacher's face 'Sin an fear a throid sa Congo' he said. (That's the man who fought in the Congo) Politicians very often don't reflect the people's opinions not unlike today!!
Very good movie about a pretty incredible set-to. The FN FAL was a brilliant rifle, if cumbersome to carry, and was still the primary infantry service rifle, as the British L1A1 rifle, when I joined the British Army in 1981. It was in service from 1954-94, which is pretty incredible and a testament to its quality. The 7.62 NATO round had a big punch and very long range. I recall an incident where a stray round exited over the back of an army range and hit a poor bugger in the head some 1.5 miles away and killed him. The effective firing range was 800m, but with iron sights at that range you could barely see the human-sized target!
An interesting battle was fought in Killmichael,Co Cork Ireland against the British army. The leader was Tom Barry and his tactics are taught at military academy's today.
Another movie like this is Danger Close: the Battle of Long Tan. Really brutal and real battle and the movies cinematography doesn't shy away from that.
Irish have historically had a fantastic rep for fighting some extremely famous regiments in the British Army and Even in America during your civil war Mercenary Regiments that fought all over Europe including the famous Papal war Even the Spanish lord commented that they could endure conditions that his men would not. They also had famous regiments in France and Prussia
The french mercenary in this film is Roger Louis Faulques. He was involved in conflicts all over the world. Interesting story. This film really showed what a small group can do to a larger group when using good tactics.
This is the age old story.....the hidden hand of control over all Irish society. Going non for decades. We are nit allowed to do well unless it fits a certain agenda. Real that.
I think they had water barrels ready because the water doesn't always run or runs small. That way when they need larger ammounts, or if they need water when it stops they have a solution
I respect your sobriety, Abel! It's weird how people seem to take it as a personal offense when you say you'd rather not drink today. I'm not a teetotaller but I'm not a big drinker either, so there are plenty of times when I've said "no thanks", and it's crazy how often people keep pushing, as if I'm insulting them by not drinking alcohol right now. Why can't I just choose to have a soda and be left in peace?
The M-37 or 82-BM-37 is a Soviet 82 millimeter calibre mortar designed by B.I. Shavyrin and accepted into service in 1937. Elevation 45° to 75° Traverse 6° to 15° Max Range 3000mts
Yeah but they got it wrong regarding the guys in the field. They were mg’s. The mortars were on the back of trucks in the treeline further back. You see the irish guys taking them out later in the movie
The NATO 81mm round could be fired from the Soviet 82mm mortar but the Soviets 82mm round wouldn't fit in the NATO 81mm mortar tubes. Smart tactics by the Soviets.
Couple thoughts: Peacekeeping in the Congo was rather different to more recent missions. The UN at the time did a fair bit of what might today be called "peace enforcement." Incidents like this one are part of why the UN has backed off a bit from such missions, but some missions are still a lot hotter than others. The "talking to the locals to learn what the mood is" part is very much standard Irish doctrine even to this day. There's a lot of emphasis placed on soft power and "winning hearts and minds" as it might be called. That doesn't mean they aren't trained to fight well when the situation arises, but, as in this case, it's not the first choice.
The fighting took place around some villa's and the grassland was like elephant grass. So the enemy attacked out of the grass and close to the trenches in some areas. The water they stored bent bad in the heat. Some soldiers drank their own urine. Pat Quinlan was my grandfather. The story is even more shocking than the movie. Brave men all.
This is why this segment is so great. Sean’s humor on the bad movies is great….. But his tactical assessment (big English word) brings an education. Great episode guys.
@@_Musashi_13 Didn’t say it was a bad movie. Said Sean’s sense of humor on bad movies is great. Loved this movie. Way under rated. Performance and accuracy to the real events are outstanding.
The sad part of all this is the Irish government recognized and restored their reputation after many of the soldiers died. This wouldn't happen until 2005.
Delighted you enjoyed this movie , I remember as a kid being in my back garden and these US Globemasters with florescent orange noses and wing tips flying low over head taking these guys to the Congo . The contingent was subjected to an attack by Beluba tribesmen at Niemba Bridge where the Irish patrol ( just a Truck with infantry ,a Land Rover and a Bren gun carrier ) were overwhelmed by numbers armed with bows and spears .A few survived in the bush , the rest were killed and eaten . The belubas were cannibals . Total warriors ! .
Wellington was Irish. Montgomery was of Irish stock but fought against Irish freedom. The Wild Geese were Irishmen who left to fight the European continental wars. A few years ago an Irish Sniper team won the Fort Benning international competition. Robert Mayne from Newtownards was a founding member of the SAS
Wellington, Wolfe tone, Montgomery, were Anglo -Irish , descendants from the plantation people by Britain into Ireland in the 16th century . Not sure about Mr Mayne, but that is also a non Irish surname.
@@Joseph-bu9tv Wellington's ancestors in Ireland went back to the Normans (like most Irish people), so it's inaccurate to say he was just Anglo-Irish. Wolf Tone's mother converted from Catholicism, so he was ethnically Irish.
@@Joseph-bu9tv , You're trying the usual "hair splitting when it comes to the Irish. If someone is born in Ireland from parents whose parents and whose parents were born in Ireland why are you "suggesting" they should not be Irish. One supposes you would be quick to call people from anywhere who just "happened" to walk in last year as the "new Irish?" Funny how the "political" mind works.And you need not bother "explaining" yourself. You're on very thin ground with your "non Irish surname."
Danger Close: Battle of Long Tan, is a great movie. I read the book and then watched the movie. Watched tons of interviews with the vets of that action. My dad did his all of his artillery gunnery training in Australia as an Officer in the 60's. Danger Close meant some thing else to those guys. I didn't really understand that until I watched the movie.
thanks for your review, my grandad was one of them and yes they were looked down on for years, think they used to call them the jadoville jacks in a sneering way
Those Irish people have centuries of battle experience long before they had guns. They fought amongst themselves and foreign invaders.The Mexican -American war 1846- 1848, thousand of Irish men fought in the Saint Patrick's battalion. 30,000 Irish men fought in the Boer war in South Africa 1899 - 1902. 150,000 Irish men fought in the American Civil War, many of them were not yet citizens. The Irish seem to have a fighting problem, the have, in the past followed wars around the world and fought in them.They're a crazy and funny people.
Dont forget that about 40% of Washington's Continental Army were Irish. If not fighting the British at home they were fighting them abroad or the were fighting in the Irish regiments of the British Army. The Fighting Irish moniker origninally came from this rep and not the drunken brawl stereotype.
We fought the Brits for 800 years and the sad thing is most British people don't even know about it. There's so much that went on over the years the birth of our nation is very messy,it's worth doing a bit of research on
@@weximan1 I quite like the Law of unintended consequences when it comes to looking at Anglo-Irish history. If the Cromwellian campaign and subsequent plantations had not displaced and angered so many Irish in to leaving for the New American Colonies, in the efforts of Irish supression, there wouldnt have been so many eager men wanting to fight the British in the American Colonies. A prized possession of the British Empire was prized away almost directly as a result of mistreatment of the 'native' Irish in their homeland in the dacades prior. I say 'native; Irish to diffrenciate from the Irish Ascendency Class who carry the burden of oppresion of the Irish as much as the British Crown did directly. They were a proxy but they also had autonomy to have just been better people..
We only fought because we had to! If you've had the privilege to grow up and live in rural Ireland, you would find it the most peaceful place! Hopefully it will stay that way.
The Irish have the medals to prove how fierce they are. Of the 3,464 Medals of Honor awarded as of September 17, 2009, an estimated 2,021 (58%) have been awarded to Irish-American recipients, more than twice the number awarded any other ethnic group; 257 Irish-born Americans have received the Medal of Honor which represents more than half of foreign-born MOH recipients Historically they made up around 25% of the British military too and their record there is equally as impressive considering Irelands tiny population. Of the 1,350 Victoria Cross medals awarded to date, Irish people have received 190 awards - the highest tally of any country, bar England (614) thus honoured. Scotland emerge in third place in the roll of honour with 158 awards and Australia comes next with 97 awards. Taking into account Irelands population those 190 crosses would be the equivalent of England gaining 2850. An extraordinary amount..
Soldiers are we whose lives are pledged to Ireland; Some have come from a land beyond the wave. Sworn to be free, No more our ancient sire land Shall shelter the despot or the slave. Tonight we man the gap of danger In Erin's cause, come woe or weal 'Mid cannons' roar and rifles peal, We'll chant a soldier's song - Amhrán na bhFiann, the Irish national anthem
Thank you for sharing the story, the Irish solders didn't surrender, they're taken captive during a ceasefire, they were subjected to mock executions and tortured every day during their imprisonment as one man said "he'd rather have died there than been released" because of what he'd been subjected to not just by the french but by their own government on the return home.. these young men not only served their country in the name of peace but of honour and patriotic to the last...they had no ammo left but were prepared to fight to the last..they were actually buried in the ground from the amount of munitions that had landed on their positions, the men stayed with the defence forces till their retirement and trained many recruited within the Ranks of the PDFs Permanent Defence Forces and the FCA An Forsa Cosanta Aitiuil Irelands National Guard "Local Defence Forces" these service men were known as The Jadotville Jacks affectionately all held in high regard within the services and were honoured to serve with them. The movie was in part true but it was far more intense than what the movie actually portrayed, the free arm of the world was their weapon of choice that was superior to the opposing forces the weapons that the Irish soldiers had was a mix of world war one, two and more reasoned at the time they also had the use of a Irish built Ford Armored Car with a heavy machine gun which wasn't depicted within the movie...
Quinlan did surrender. I don't know where you're getting that they were held in high regard. They were treated as cowards, other soldiers refused to serve with them and they were called all sorts of names. My father in law and my cousin's husband were there. My cousin's husband wrote a book about his experiences.
The weapons depicted in the film were completely correct. We even had serial numbers of some of the sub machine guns from the original conflict. Both sides used FN FAL and 7.62 ammunition. The Irish had FAL as standard plus old Vickers guns that were handed to them upon arrival. I'm reality the Irish even had some old armoured cars that they used to reasonable success. I had the mortar teams pre designate targets as they would have such we touched on as little. The mercenaries were a mix of french, Belgian, Rhodesian, even Irish can you believe. Plus hundreds of local African Gendarme units.
Ive read about this story and heard about it probably 20 different times. Its nuts to me how this went down because you guys hit it on the head, the things the commander did, no one else would have ever thought about until it was too late. great episode. Have a happy thanksgiving and christmas should yall slow down on videos for the holidays to spend time with family and friends. God bless
Hey guys, loved this movie, and your breakdown. Total civilian here, and Irish history/culture buff - appreciated how the leader had no combat experience, but his obvious focus on his training, and the soldiers' commitment to one another carried them through. I've been laid up for several days, and enjoying your content. Nerd request: it would be sick if you reviewed the anime Ghost in the Shell. There seems to be a lot of SWAT and/or Military tactics baked into the action (also crazy scifi and ninja turtle shit) The original 1996 film is best. It was a major influence on Wachowskis making The Matrix.
Nothing shows esprit de corp and fighting spirit like their radio message. "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey."
have you guys ever watched a couple of older movies (I think Australian productions): “Galipoli” and “Breaker Morant” Breaker Morant is one of my all time favorites. Both are seriously top-notch wartime film making. I’m not sure if they will provide you with the opportunity to do a whole lot of tactical analysis, but man… they are great war movies!
The guys in the field were firing mg’s. The mercenary mortars were on the back of trucks in the treeline (you see the irish mortars taking them out later in the movie). Great thoughts on the movie as always
Just came across ur podcast, this has to be 1 of the best you understand this Peacekeepers way of Fighting & Degfence lThese Brave Irish Soliders after Surrendered back i Ireland as Losers, some demoted, that as cowards until 70/80 Years later were the recognised by thre 🇮🇪☘️Country they Bravely stood there as Irish Warriors Loved the odcast watch a few more
great movie review guys! certain scenes it was awesome to watch your faces! Looked like you were ready to go back into battle! This movie was great, such a shame that the Irish soldiers of Jadotville were not honored/recognized until so many years later.
Sean, bro, I know "Beers are Breakdowns" is traditionally a movie assessment. But, I just watched an episode of The Shawn Ryan Show, and he interviewed Tom Satterly. I think it would be the best addendum to the show for just one episode, and we'd all learn a ton from your assessment.
I mean, I know podcasts aren't normally the way you do your thing. But, if not that, there's a movie called "The Hornets Nest" that was a documentary of Afghanistan, and I watched it right after I got home, and the shit was rough. That might also be a great one to do for all the Afghan vets that watch your show. Either way, I fuckin love your channel bro.
One of my favorite movies that has gone under the radar lately. Another great one today! Would also love to see a breakdown of 6 Underground. I'm sure Buck will have some fun opinions on that one
Outnumbered by a force of around 30 to 1, and only 5 Irishmen injured compared to 2500 enemy killed or injured, the figures are astonishing. The Irish are a compassionate and friendly race and so its easy to forget they are also Celtic warriors, you f**k with an Irishman at your own risk. They will be your best friend or your worst nightmare and they leave it up to you to decide, choose wisely.
It's not a 'geographical region' It is a British colloquialism and is not recognized by any nation or international body. Our country as per our constitution is either Ireland or Eire. There is no other name@@rolfharris7508
On the 19:55 part; Isn’t it a war crime to use ambulances to deploy weapon systems from ambulances ? Yes; a medic can carry a weapon, but only to defend himself and the people he’s providing medical care to
The other big factor in the battle was 2 ancient ford armoured cars , basically old ford trucks , armoured with a cupola holding a vickers machine gun , Too heavy to go off road , but effectively a semi mobile armoured pill box with a vickers , Made a huge difference ,
It's even scarier when you read about what happened when they were released from captivity - they were literally back in combat within days prior to being sent home. There are a couple of good books out there about this..."The Heroes of Jadotville" by Rose Doyle lays things out pretty well. The company commander was quite on top of training his troops prior to deployment as well continuing it while they were there.
I like these movies about lesser known battles of forgotten forces that was just as intense and important as the other bookmarked battles of the cold war. The mercenary glory days versus formidable UK badasses
I definitely love this channel. I can't do Special Forces, I've seen the SF assessment and selection course is hard. In other words i can't do shit. Thank you for your service
The main rifle the Irish were using is the FN FAL. It is a 7.62 Nato rifle. Their standard load out should be six mags or 20 rounds. There were no 223 rounds out there. The 223 round basically didn't become some what common until the 80s and the adoption of the South African R4/Galil rifle. While the numbers of hostile forces was large they generally don't have good supply lines so troops can only expect to use what they carry in and generally that isn't much. If they have extra anything they sell it off for money and to save weight. As to the water issue. With water being contaminated in Africa with parasites and disease it has to be purified and that can be time consuming because of the prosses. So it makes sense that they just had not got to the point of purifying the new water. Another great review on your part.
20:17 lol my man that was a 1919 machine gun they set up not a mortar system. The mortar system was behind the tree line in trucks, the Irish blow it up at one point.
Most people are not appreciating the influence; or is it lack of influence; of 'the cruiser' (Mark Strong's character) and his position in a confusing and ever more complex diplomatic situation. Key personnel were dying or disappearing even if they weren't engaged in armed combat. Coincidences do happen of course. Allegedly. Almost certainly out of his depth from the beginning, The Cruiser ended up hung out to dry by the UN after the death of Hammarskjold. His later long career as the BBC's tame Irishman never did his country many favours either.
I know the guy who wrote the book about it and he said intersecting fields of fire and a better, deeper trench system that is shown in the Irish the edge.
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You guys should cover the film "Danger Close" about the Battle of Long Tan with the Aussies in Vietnam.
Guys..please review Danger Close.
Be good to see some Aussie representation.
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Definitely review Danger Close. Most people don’t know about Australia being in the Vietnam War
My dad was in jadotvile. He went out 3 days after i was born. He never spoke about what happened out there. They all came back alive which was incredable. I followed dad into the military and had 2 tours in Lebanon. My dad died shortly after they were recognised as heros. 22.00 12/6/24.
Sorry for your loss of your Da. I was horrified when I first read of their treatment on return after such a valiant defence and the lack of support from governments of the time. Makes me mad writing it. Much respect for your service also. All the best
my uncle served with your Dad in Jadotvile Tony
These men were true heroes. Ashamed how they were treated when they returned home.
Hi tony,where are you from?my dad was in the army a year after jadotvile he did 2 tours to Cyprus,I know he still keeps in touch with some of the army lads
@@weximan1 im from athlone. My dad done 2 tours in cyprus as well
Great video guys. I was the military advisor on this movie back in 2015 . Trained all the cast, stunts and over 300 extras. I ran a two week in-depth boot camp with an excellent armoury team along side me. Not many productions will give me so much freedom and the respect to do it right. I ran all the military sequences, battles and even talked to brave Irish soldiers who fought in the battle. Interesting fact it's that Captain Quinlan's grandson had a small role in the movie. I spent a lot of time getting the Senior NCO into character. Bless them. They put in the work. All in all we had an incredible time shooting this in South Africa. Have a great weekend fellas. Dan Hirst
You did a superb job - I wasn't expecting much considering it wasn't a mainstream production, but once the gunfights got going, it was really gripping.
@@wnose thanks. The biggest difference between a big budget blockbuster flop and a low budget independent epic is whether everybody cares about the project and there is a good script. On many of the big budget movies many of those involved just seen it as a payday rather than a cool story to tell well. We were all passionate and felt fortunate to be telling this story
EXACTLY what the last person said! You good sir, even if you try to be humble, obviously did a MASSIVE job in making this such a good movie!!
I threw this movie on late one night in the background...
The story and cinematography got me immediately interested, but the battle scenes...! The battle scenes cemented it as my second most recommended movie "that you probably skipped past" lol
(Number 1 is Dredd with Urban)
@@TheDylls I definitely put my g heart into these projects and am very blessed to have been recommended for them. Thanks for your feedback. Making movies is my dream and it came true.
You do realize that the Commander at one or two stages has a private 3 star rank marking on arm!!!!!! How did you not see this?!
If you travel to County Kerry, Ireland, at Coomakista Pass (some of the most stunning views in the world) you'll find a memorial there to Commandant Patrick Quinlan who was born nearby. This is between Caherdaniel and Waterville on the Ring of Kerry tourist route. His son Leo, a distinguished soldier in his own right who has lectured worldwide about the siege itself, now runs a souvenir shop by the car park in Waterville. You can drop in and say hello and engage him in conversation about the siege, it's a fascinating story. The tactics Quinlan used are still studied in military academies worldwide.
I'm a former Irish soldier, those brave men only received their honours & medals recently, sad many weren't alive to see the day. GOD bless
Hey Noel, I designed the medal for these men and it was epic to see them get presented to those still alive but tbh they should have all received the top honours of gallantry or DSM instead of a mere remembrance token Medal specific to that one event..
betrayed by the irish government, and the UN. . . just like us irish in general with the government
My father in law was one of the brave men of Jadotville . Gunner Michael Seery Mullingar . Some man was he...
Indeed, they were amazing and intelligent and brave young men..
I heard the actual soldiers who were in Jadot Ville interviewed shortly before the movie was released. The mercenaries were shocked to find that all the Irish soldiers were alive. They kept the Irish as prisoners for a while, and during prison exercise time, the Irish soldiers played our national sport, which is hurling. Chek out hurling on RUclips. The prison guards said "If they play games like this, no wonder they can fight". Hurling in Irish mythology is a warrior's game.
You should try to see the documentary that was made by TG4 the Irish TV station. They did a great job.
Hurling is not mythology.
It's history.
Them guys were with the 35th Battalion. They served from July to December 61, seige of Jadotville was in September but they finished their tour after that, it was a 6 month tour. They Irish soldiers were very well trained professional soldiers. I think the Gustav machine gun fired the 9mm rounds, Lee Enfields had the 303 rounds, great rifle for picking off the enemy, Bren and vicars had 303 rounds and FN-FAL has 762 rounds, think these rounds were well capable of picking of the enemy, the mortar crews were well trained and were able to pick off their targets. My Dad who is 84 now was with the 34th Battalion from Jan to June 61. Flew out in an American Aircraft called the Globemaster C124 from Baldonnel near Dublin to Wheelus AFB in Tripoli and then onto Elizabethville. He was a Bren Gunner and had a gustav. He saw several combat situations out there. They were trapped near a mine and were under siege and were rescued by the swedes after being attacked for days. Their water supply was also poisoned by dead animals. They had to fight their way out, no casualties. They were under siege at a train station taken UN supplies to the Swedes. Came under fire from Congolese army, Tshombes men and Luba tribesmen, were held up for hours, being fired upon by machine guns, mortars and arrows and spears. He said they hadn't a clue about mortars, fired them too high and they timed out, they sand bagged them. He was giving cover fire between train station and train, they were only 15 to 20 Irish, he said they left a lot of casualties on the other side. They saw awful things like coming accross a missionary with everyone slaughtered and nuns decapitated in a drain, apparently he suffered nightmares for years. He left the army a short time after getting home, his time was up. No work in Ireland in the 60s so off to London he went working on the buildings. Came home in 69 and met my mother. He was working in the mines near us, drilling and blasting for the 70s, no work after that, a major recession, was on the social. Never got anything ever off anyone for being a veteran, its not like America here, No VA. Unfortunately my poor mother died in 2000 age 55. He was heart broken but anyway he has 6 grown children and 7 grandkids. A hero in our eyes.
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damn, your father is a hero
A hero indeed!
My dad was stationed in Leopoldville and Elizabethville in ‘61, the year before I was born. Our lads travelled in their uniforms they wore here in Ireland. They had no tropical uniforms. A Dutch officer couldn’t believe what they were wearing in the heat so he gave my dad his spare tropical uniform. His “best man” was killed in the ambush at Niemba. He wasn’t at Jadotville, he remembered how badly the returning soldiers were regarded in Ireland at the time. It was shameful. I still have his UN medal.
And now a hero in our eyes buddy! Laoch na hÉireann cinnte
Glaine ár gcroí, Neart ár ngéag, Agus beart de réir ár mbriathar
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Footnote:
The Leader of the Mercenaries was Roger Faulques.
was a French Army Colonel, a graduate of the École spéciale militaire de Saint-Cyr, a paratrooper officer of the French Foreign Legion, and a mercenary.
Grand officier de la Légion d'honneur (Decree of 16 April 2004. Commandeur, 19 July 1960)
Croix de guerre 1939-1945 with 1 citation (bronze star)
Battle hardened soldier against 150 Irish soldiers with no battle experience of any kind.
They did their Country Proud
You forgot to mention he was a scumbag.
In most such cases the defenders of a fortified position will always prevail.
Especially when being attacked by waves inexperienced badly trained 3rd world soldiers. So no big achievement at all really.
@@PhansiKhongolozasheer numbers alone it’s an impressive achievement especially with the fewer rounds of ammo and fewer weapons also to have no deaths on your side absolutely an impressive achievement so your trying to downplay people’s actual achievements because you probably have none yourself
@@PhansiKhongolozayou haven’t a clue….
@@eoincaomhanach1983 of course I don't! I've been fighting wars and poachers and hunting professionally in Africa since 1981! But you, the gamer from wherever! In your mother's basement......you know better than the professional from Africa!
The Irish government treated these guys as an embarrassment for decades. They were only recognised in the end due to the Irish population. Politicians 🤬 they only care about their own popularity, not about the people.
Irish government?, when are my southern bothers going to relies that Irish government wears union jack underwear, why when half the county is under occupation, is are soldiers of fighting other countries wars??? Clowns
all govts are enemies of the people they "govern" - the Irish one however has always been particularly treacherous
Conor Cruis O Brien the worst of the lot he was happy to sacrifice my uncle and his fellow soldiers but these hero's came home which O'Brien hated and called them cowards. he was the coward.
@@AndrewFlynn-n5s Conor Cruis O Brien is home now also....in the pits of hell
The Irish 20th century revolution did not bring much justice for the people. It merely set up a self-serving political echelon that installed lackeys to protect it. 100 years same thing.
Great review lads.I am a former Irish soldier,it was an amazing feat for them all to survive and disgraceful the way they were treated by our government.The only thing missing from the movie was the omission of the two armoured cars with the Lewis machine guns that were commanded by my ex CO Kevin Knightly.These were integral to the defence of the post
The mistreatment of the Jadotville soldiers by the Irish government was the big take of this film. It is a period of shame that the UN and Irish government denied those soldiers the help and recognition they deserved to the extent that the phrase "Jadoville Jack" became synonymous with "coward" despite the Irish government and the UN knowing to the contrary. Those soliders were not cowards by any stretch of the imagination. Their compatriots who serve in Lebanon in the same role are of the same ilk. Brave men in a very sad story.
The film underestimates what they did. They took out a fighter with a WW1 machine gun, 3 jeep mounted modern(for the time) machine guns and 6 long range mortars with 3 short range mortars. The outfighting they did was utterly rediculous. There was another similar incident with a patrol in a jungle against the baluba tribe. 7 infantry ambused. All died, killed 100s of Balubas in the ambush when they had the advantage, high ground. There was also another absurd one in Liberia during the civil war there. A unit of Irish rangers(42) took on 250 heavily armed rebels holding dozens of hostages. They routed most of the kidnappers but captured 20 including the commander & rebel commander of the entire rebel force during civil war. No hostages harmed and only 1 Ranger fatality & even then it was due to a burst tyre flipping 1 of their jeeps by chance when extracting. Whats most impressive is they did it while operating under non lethal rules of engagement. Literally went 6:1 against a defended position with heavily armed defenders & a hostage risk using bean bag rounds & tazers & fucked the defender up
Wow.
You don't mess with the Irish Rangers. One big difference between them and the SAS is that they don't go around publicising their work...
I was VFX supervisor on this movie in South Africa. Amazing story that happened on this production... the armorer had to source mp5s for the movie since that was historically what the Irish troops used. He was able to source two which were given to the leads. Part of his job by law is to do an audit of the weapons history and by the end of the shoot the report came back. The MP5 that Jamie and Jason used were issued in Ireland to the ACTUAL troops who fought in Jadotville and floated around warzones in Africa and ended up in the hands of actors portraying the battle they were first used in. Amazing. One other thing to note about this movie which I learned from my own research in prep for this project is that Jadotville was more of a jungle environment than veld / sahara as depicted in the movie. It was also a bigger town with more cover in general.
We never used MP5s. We used the Gustav SMG. It is a similar looking weapon.
@@PeterTrevaskis_per Known in the States as the "Swedish K".
Back in 1989/90, I did a tour in Lebanon. The Irish that rotated out when I was there had the "Gustav" and FAL:s, the ones rotating in had been rearmed with the AUG. As a Swedish staffer, I had the m/45, which is the original, Swedish version of the "Gustav"/"Swedish K". It was a great piece of hardware.
I’m a SSG in the Army and I watched this movie with Irish wife. She’s young and never even knew this happened. She was literally in tears because of what happened to them at the end. Great movie, great breakdown! And coming from an Engineer, god bless the proper use of demo! Keep up the videos guys!
appreciate it!
Essayons!
I served 21 years in the Irish Army. What is an SSG?
It’s a Staff Sergeant, Enlisted Grade 6
@@phillipmarquez-tw3vn means nothing to someone not in your ranking system.
I'm proud of you about that statement able "they fatal funnel themselves"that tells me that you're actually learning something from buck and that you know more about tactics than you think you do👍👍
God bless those brave Irishmen. For the life of me, I cannot understand why their government made pariahs of them after they returned home...
It's complicated...
The usual reason. To cover their own ass. And those above them
Everyone who ever mentions Irish military boasts of these guys as heroes. I think all soldiers were scapegoats to the public at the time, but once that disgusting trend ended they’ve been legends who inspire their whole nation, and half the world besides.
Politics…
Ireland is a weird place
✨ Thanks guys for covering this, it doesn't get as much coverage as it deserves. As a Paddy - or actually a Biddy, *im so proud of our guys & what they done* .Just to add, *the Irish state was only 40 years old then, we only got rid of the British in the 1920s so the state was still in its infancy, to a degree* .
Certainly *the Irish Army were not up to par with the French & Belgian forces then - they were one of the best internationally and the Irish had only a tiny fraction of the forces the French & Belgians had in the Congo* .Also the Irish didn't even have the standard weapons of the day, some of them were *WW1 weapons or defective cast offs* .
That they could hold off & inflict that damage on their opponents who had overwheming numbers compared to the Irish really is something to be so bloody proud of. As you said, surrender was the only sensible option if being killed is the other.
*How dare anyone call them cowards for that* ? *Only someone who has never been in or knows nothing about combat would say something so utterly stupid & insulting* .
They were heros & will always be remembered as such. 🇮🇪 ☘️
As a recovering alcoholic I applaud for abstaining. It wasn't a fun lifestyle. Was in rehab with a guy who literally looked like the C-3PO cause of liver failure.
"Danger Close: The Battle of Long Tan" is another great movie to watch. The song(I was only 19) at the end of the movie is really good too. Made me, my brother and father in law tear up a bit. Plus we were drinking so yeah.
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No it’s a shit movie but the actual documentary narrated by Sam Worthington is outstanding and it’s on RUclips also. Look it up. Best military doco I’ve seen
The Irish have the medals to prove how fierce they are. Of the 3,464 Medals of Honor awarded as of September 17, 2009, an estimated 2,021 (58%) have been awarded to Irish-American recipients, more than twice the number awarded any other ethnic group; 257 Irish-born Americans have received the Medal of Honor which represents more than half of foreign-born MOH recipients
Historically they made up around 25% of the British military too and their record there is equally as impressive considering Irelands tiny population. Of the 1,350 Victoria Cross medals awarded to date, Irish people have received 190 awards - the highest tally of any country, bar England (614) thus honoured. Scotland emerge in third place in the roll of honour with 158 awards and Australia comes next with 97 awards. Taking into account Irelands population those 190 crosses would be the equivalent of England gaining 2850. An extraordinary amount.
It's been said (on the quite) for years that the OC Pat Quinlan was actually slightly autistic. He was obsessed with WWI and turned the camp into a mass of trenches and fortifications, It's not really shown in the film but he had two WWI era vickers guns on tripods sited in for indirect fire, and it was those the inflicted the majority of the casualties. When they got back the Army just assumed Quinlan had done something wrong.
I bet that was a rumour put out by authorities to further belittle him. He really is a highly attained, wide heart and deep souled man. A Wellington.
@@panoramicLight he did retire as a full colonel, which, at the time, was the highest rank Irish officers could aspire to.as there was only one general officer.
@johnkilcullen well as the jadotvillejacks so called. He never got the full level of respect that was deserved .
A new housing estate named Quinlan Estate in his honour.
@@jayo4266 great. Where please
This is an unbelievable movie. But one thing which I find that is so interesting about the Irish psyche is how understated we are. Not known for over stating anything this is borne out in the Irish soldier. My own Dad was in the Irish Rangers, back in 1981 I think he trained, and served in Cyprus in the 70s and Lebanon in 83/84 and yet he never really spoke about any of the things he saw.
He passed away in 1991, very young, and only last year I found out that he saved a Lebanese woman from being raped and her family treated him like royalty for the remainder of his tour. That was 1984. I only heard this story when someone shared a photo of my Dad with that family only last year. Nearly 40 years later... we never knew a thing... no doubt many other similar stories can be told. Should be told. But for now our thoughts our with my nephew, Dads grandson, who is in the Lebanon right now serving with UNIFIL. We're all very proud of his bravery...
I believe this was the first operation that the Irish army was deployed overseas, they had no kit no air to fly on! Supported by the the USA and UK in believe, did a good job. Went back to Ireland 🇮🇪 and were cast as defeated. Top class chaps, let down by the UN.
... let down by one of their own at the UN, you should have said... CCO'B was only out for his own career, not for his own countrymen.
It lookslike nothing ever changes
@@RossoVerdeNeroI wouldn't expect t anything from that turn coat Connor Cruser O Brine.
The "Never-fit-for-purpose" UN threw these men under a bus. Sad to say that an Irish UN representative, Conor Cruise-O'Brien, was in close proximity when all this was happening. He never raised a hand to help them. Charles de Gaulle contributed 1,000 French troops to the rebel side. Belgium supplied the aircraft that straffed the Irish troops. The shameful treatment they received from their colleagues and the Irish Government should never be forgotten.
Biggest question. Why were the UN and in turn the Irish, getting involved in this conflict which has absolutely nothing to do with either. Especially as the UN took the side of the commies in this conflict.
Here is one for you.@12:19 THE Irish Soldier in the Trench says Quinlan doesn't know what he is doing. is played by Patrick Joyce. Who is the Real Patrick Quinlan's grandson Conor Quinlan
Mount street bridge 1916 210 casualties of isherwood foresters against about 6 irish volunteers in a house above the bridge
Those Irish men had a tactical genius in their commander, they had real back bone in those days
sure did
And they were all green too, not seasoned vets.
Pat Quinlan R.I.P.
Met him (Quinlen) years ago by then he was a man in his 70s and looked as hard as nails
They still do
I came across ths one randomly years ago and never regretted it. Wish they were recognized for what they were able to at the time
Oh this was a bad ass movie. So very underrated
Movie wasn't entirely accurate. My friends father who was there hated it cos it wrong
I believe Quinlin studied Caesar's strategy and their strategy was adopted by the Australian army as part of their training, and reemember it was in 1961 .
The people had the highest respect for Col. Quinlan and his men. In the late 60's in school in Dublin he came into our classroom to collect a relation of his, I'll never forget the pride in the teacher's face 'Sin an fear a throid sa Congo' he said. (That's the man who fought in the Congo)
Politicians very often don't reflect the people's opinions not unlike today!!
Very good movie about a pretty incredible set-to. The FN FAL was a brilliant rifle, if cumbersome to carry, and was still the primary infantry service rifle, as the British L1A1 rifle, when I joined the British Army in 1981. It was in service from 1954-94, which is pretty incredible and a testament to its quality. The 7.62 NATO round had a big punch and very long range. I recall an incident where a stray round exited over the back of an army range and hit a poor bugger in the head some 1.5 miles away and killed him. The effective firing range was 800m, but with iron sights at that range you could barely see the human-sized target!
Loved this movie. Glad their story got told.
An interesting battle was fought in Killmichael,Co Cork Ireland against the British army.
The leader was Tom Barry and his tactics are taught at military academy's today.
The word 'awesome' gets over used but Quinlan and his men were AWESOME.
Another movie like this is Danger Close: the Battle of Long Tan. Really brutal and real battle and the movies cinematography doesn't shy away from that.
The film Zulu with Michael Cane
Irish have historically had a fantastic rep for fighting some extremely famous regiments in the British Army and Even in America during your civil war Mercenary Regiments that fought all over Europe including the famous Papal war Even the Spanish lord commented that they could endure conditions that his men would not. They also had famous regiments in France and Prussia
They also fought for Mexico and Argentina. It was an Irishman who started the Argentinian Navy.
@@rolloloftbrook9558 And don't forget Bernardo O'Higgins; and Bolivar had many Irish in his army including the son of Daniel O'Connell
I've recommend this movie for a long time. Glad you finally got around to watching it and extremely glad you liked it.
so good!
I served with some of the veterans of the Congo in the early 70s great and unassuming men one and all.
The french mercenary in this film is Roger Louis Faulques. He was involved in conflicts all over the world. Interesting story. This film really showed what a small group can do to a larger group when using good tactics.
Him and Mad Mike Hoare. Those are the usual names that come up when they talk about mercenary activities in Africa of the 60's and 70's.
agreed
just life SF
He wasn't actually involved at Jadotville though.
This is the age old story.....the hidden hand of control over all Irish society. Going non for decades. We are nit allowed to do well unless it fits a certain agenda. Real that.
I think they had water barrels ready because the water doesn't always run or runs small. That way when they need larger ammounts, or if they need water when it stops they have a solution
I respect your sobriety, Abel!
It's weird how people seem to take it as a personal offense when you say you'd rather not drink today. I'm not a teetotaller but I'm not a big drinker either, so there are plenty of times when I've said "no thanks", and it's crazy how often people keep pushing, as if I'm insulting them by not drinking alcohol right now. Why can't I just choose to have a soda and be left in peace?
This was the first UN Peacekeeping mission I believe.
My dad was there for a year as a UN Peacekeeper. He saw some pretty horrible stuff.
The M-37 or 82-BM-37 is a Soviet 82 millimeter calibre mortar designed by B.I. Shavyrin and accepted into service in 1937.
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Traverse 6° to 15°
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Yeah but they got it wrong regarding the guys in the field. They were mg’s. The mortars were on the back of trucks in the treeline further back. You see the irish guys taking them out later in the movie
The NATO 81mm round could be fired from the Soviet 82mm mortar but the Soviets 82mm round wouldn't fit in the NATO 81mm mortar tubes. Smart tactics by the Soviets.
Couple thoughts:
Peacekeeping in the Congo was rather different to more recent missions. The UN at the time did a fair bit of what might today be called "peace enforcement." Incidents like this one are part of why the UN has backed off a bit from such missions, but some missions are still a lot hotter than others.
The "talking to the locals to learn what the mood is" part is very much standard Irish doctrine even to this day. There's a lot of emphasis placed on soft power and "winning hearts and minds" as it might be called. That doesn't mean they aren't trained to fight well when the situation arises, but, as in this case, it's not the first choice.
We see it in the Leb were lots of locals speak with Irish accents from talking to the Irish soldiers every day for years.
The fighting took place around some villa's and the grassland was like elephant grass. So the enemy attacked out of the grass and close to the trenches in some areas.
The water they stored bent bad in the heat. Some soldiers drank their own urine.
Pat Quinlan was my grandfather. The story is even more shocking than the movie. Brave men all.
Thank you for bringing this movie to my attention. And this part of history that never gets covered.
This is why this segment is so great.
Sean’s humor on the bad movies is great…..
But his tactical assessment (big English word) brings an education.
Great episode guys.
thanks dude!
It was a great movie not a bad one!
@@_Musashi_13 Didn’t say it was a bad movie. Said Sean’s sense of humor on bad movies is great.
Loved this movie. Way under rated. Performance and accuracy to the real events are outstanding.
The sad part of all this is the Irish government recognized and restored their reputation after many of the soldiers died. This wouldn't happen until 2005.
Delighted you enjoyed this movie , I remember as a kid being in my back garden and these US Globemasters with florescent orange noses and wing tips flying low over head taking these guys to the Congo .
The contingent was subjected to an attack by Beluba tribesmen at Niemba Bridge where the Irish patrol ( just a Truck with infantry ,a Land Rover and a Bren gun carrier ) were overwhelmed by numbers armed with bows and spears .A few survived in the bush , the rest were killed and eaten . The belubas were cannibals . Total warriors ! .
Wellington was Irish. Montgomery was of Irish stock but fought against Irish freedom. The Wild Geese were Irishmen who left to fight the European continental wars. A few years ago an Irish Sniper team won the Fort Benning international competition. Robert Mayne from Newtownards was a founding member of the SAS
Wellington, Wolfe tone, Montgomery, were Anglo -Irish , descendants from the plantation people by Britain into Ireland in the 16th century . Not sure about Mr Mayne, but that is also a non Irish surname.
@@Joseph-bu9tv Wellington's ancestors in Ireland went back to the Normans (like most Irish people), so it's inaccurate to say he was just Anglo-Irish. Wolf Tone's mother converted from Catholicism, so he was ethnically Irish.
@@Joseph-bu9tv , You're trying the usual "hair splitting when it comes to the Irish. If someone is born in Ireland from parents whose parents and whose parents were born in Ireland why are you "suggesting" they should not be Irish. One supposes you would be quick to call people from anywhere who just "happened" to walk in last year as the "new Irish?" Funny how the "political" mind works.And you need not bother "explaining" yourself. You're on very thin ground with your "non Irish surname."
@adammartin7007 98% of Irish people are indigenous to Ireland dating back thousands of years.
@@gerardflynn7382 True, but most Irish people also have Norman ancestry.
I recommend “Danger close” 2019 its pretty interesting historical battle and how it was filmed was amazingly
ill add it to the list
@@FNGACADEMY That is a good movie and another pretty amazing story!
Danger Close: Battle of Long Tan, is a great movie. I read the book and then watched the movie. Watched tons of interviews with the vets of that action.
My dad did his all of his artillery gunnery training in Australia as an Officer in the 60's. Danger Close meant some thing else to those guys. I didn't really understand that until I watched the movie.
It’s crazy accurate to what actually went down at Long Tan. Even the weird things that don’t make sense actually happened.
I met and spoke to a jadotville vet recently. I had the privilege to shake his hand
Absolutely my favorite war movie ever
thanks for your review, my grandad was one of them and yes they were looked down on for years, think they used to call them the jadoville jacks in a sneering way
Those Irish people have centuries of battle experience long before they had guns. They fought amongst themselves and foreign invaders.The Mexican -American war 1846- 1848, thousand of Irish men fought in the Saint Patrick's battalion. 30,000 Irish men fought in the Boer war in South Africa 1899 - 1902. 150,000 Irish men fought in the American Civil War, many of them were not yet citizens. The Irish seem to have a fighting problem, the have, in the past followed wars around the world and fought in them.They're a crazy and funny people.
Dont forget that about 40% of Washington's Continental Army were Irish. If not fighting the British at home they were fighting them abroad or the were fighting in the Irish regiments of the British Army. The Fighting Irish moniker origninally came from this rep and not the drunken brawl stereotype.
We fought the Brits for 800 years and the sad thing is most British people don't even know about it. There's so much that went on over the years the birth of our nation is very messy,it's worth doing a bit of research on
@@weximan1 I quite like the Law of unintended consequences when it comes to looking at Anglo-Irish history. If the Cromwellian campaign and subsequent plantations had not displaced and angered so many Irish in to leaving for the New American Colonies, in the efforts of Irish supression, there wouldnt have been so many eager men wanting to fight the British in the American Colonies. A prized possession of the British Empire was prized away almost directly as a result of mistreatment of the 'native' Irish in their homeland in the dacades prior. I say 'native; Irish to diffrenciate from the Irish Ascendency Class who carry the burden of oppresion of the Irish as much as the British Crown did directly. They were a proxy but they also had autonomy to have just been better people..
We only fought because we had to!
If you've had the privilege to grow up and live in rural Ireland, you would find it the most peaceful place!
Hopefully it will stay that way.
The Irish have the medals to prove how fierce they are. Of the 3,464 Medals of Honor awarded as of September 17, 2009, an estimated 2,021 (58%) have been awarded to Irish-American recipients, more than twice the number awarded any other ethnic group; 257 Irish-born Americans have received the Medal of Honor which represents more than half of foreign-born MOH recipients
Historically they made up around 25% of the British military too and their record there is equally as impressive considering Irelands tiny population. Of the 1,350 Victoria Cross medals awarded to date, Irish people have received 190 awards - the highest tally of any country, bar England (614) thus honoured. Scotland emerge in third place in the roll of honour with 158 awards and Australia comes next with 97 awards. Taking into account Irelands population those 190 crosses would be the equivalent of England gaining 2850. An extraordinary amount..
Soldiers are we whose lives are pledged to Ireland; Some have come from a land beyond the wave. Sworn to be free, No more our ancient sire land Shall shelter the despot or the slave. Tonight we man the gap of danger In Erin's cause, come woe or weal 'Mid cannons' roar and rifles peal, We'll chant a soldier's song - Amhrán na bhFiann, the Irish national anthem
Thank you for sharing the story, the Irish solders didn't surrender, they're taken captive during a ceasefire, they were subjected to mock executions and tortured every day during their imprisonment as one man said "he'd rather have died there than been released" because of what he'd been subjected to not just by the french but by their own government on the return home.. these young men not only served their country in the name of peace but of honour and patriotic to the last...they had no ammo left but were prepared to fight to the last..they were actually buried in the ground from the amount of munitions that had landed on their positions, the men stayed with the defence forces till their retirement and trained many recruited within the Ranks of the PDFs Permanent Defence Forces and the FCA An Forsa Cosanta Aitiuil Irelands National Guard "Local Defence Forces" these service men were known as The Jadotville Jacks affectionately all held in high regard within the services and were honoured to serve with them. The movie was in part true but it was far more intense than what the movie actually portrayed, the free arm of the world was their weapon of choice that was superior to the opposing forces the weapons that the Irish soldiers had was a mix of world war one, two and more reasoned at the time they also had the use of a Irish built Ford Armored Car with a heavy machine gun which wasn't depicted within the movie...
Quinlan did surrender. I don't know where you're getting that they were held in high regard. They were treated as cowards, other soldiers refused to serve with them and they were called all sorts of names. My father in law and my cousin's husband were there. My cousin's husband wrote a book about his experiences.
“The Jadotville Jacks” was not an affectionate name
FCA does not translate to Local Defence Force.
It translates to Reserve Defence Force.
Great breakdown. There’s a great old 80s military movie called Southern Comfort. Y’all should break that one down. It’s old but really good.
The weapons depicted in the film were completely correct. We even had serial numbers of some of the sub machine guns from the original conflict. Both sides used FN FAL and 7.62 ammunition. The Irish had FAL as standard plus old Vickers guns that were handed to them upon arrival. I'm reality the Irish even had some old armoured cars that they used to reasonable success. I had the mortar teams pre designate targets as they would have such we touched on as little.
The mercenaries were a mix of french, Belgian, Rhodesian, even Irish can you believe. Plus hundreds of local African Gendarme units.
That Frenchman was Roger Faulques. His story alone is wild.
@@Andy-te1mw I must find his book.
Grandfather served with Irish defence forces in the Congo. Some crazy stories quiet crap how the Irish government ended up treating these lads
big ups abel for not succumbing to peer pressure
Ive read about this story and heard about it probably 20 different times. Its nuts to me how this went down because you guys hit it on the head, the things the commander did, no one else would have ever thought about until it was too late. great episode. Have a happy thanksgiving and christmas should yall slow down on videos for the holidays to spend time with family and friends. God bless
2:50 if youre interested in that read up on the last stand of the swiss guard. its one of those long lasting stories like that with a sad outcome.
Hey guys, loved this movie, and your breakdown. Total civilian here, and Irish history/culture buff - appreciated how the leader had no combat experience, but his obvious focus on his training, and the soldiers' commitment to one another carried them through.
I've been laid up for several days, and enjoying your content. Nerd request: it would be sick if you reviewed the anime Ghost in the Shell.
There seems to be a lot of SWAT and/or Military tactics baked into the action (also crazy scifi and ninja turtle shit)
The original 1996 film is best. It was a major influence on Wachowskis making The Matrix.
I saw this on HBO years ago and it was very surprising how good this movie was.
My great uncle Ed was there at that time in the Irish defence forces. Also was a great athlete.
Nothing shows esprit de corp and fighting spirit like their radio message. "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey."
have you guys ever watched a couple of older movies (I think Australian productions): “Galipoli” and “Breaker Morant”
Breaker Morant is one of my all time favorites. Both are seriously top-notch wartime film making. I’m not sure if they will provide you with the opportunity to do a whole lot of tactical analysis, but man… they are great war movies!
They should also do The Battle of Long Tan. Another great and modern Aussie war movie.
@@angrymetalhead Year, that's a pretty good movie and an amazing story, too.
Can't watch Gallipoli ever again. Sad how troops were treated as "canon fodder".
@@sharonlawrence4830yeah. It’s even harder to watch the second time.
Trench dug..... The most important thing on the battlefield.... If you're defending.
I no a lad from Carrick on suir in South Tipperary his father was there. Legends
To defend a position... First is defence, ammo, water, food, then dig and keep digging, then pray for air.... Or fight.
Thanks lads for Highlighting these brave Irish men.
That was great perspective..
The guys in the field were firing mg’s. The mercenary mortars were on the back of trucks in the treeline (you see the irish mortars taking them out later in the movie). Great thoughts on the movie as always
Only thing they missed was the single loading the bren in favour of the Lee-Enfield for the sniper shot
Great movie and great round up
Great stream!!! Stay hydrated!
Just came across ur podcast, this has to be 1 of the best you understand this Peacekeepers way of Fighting & Degfence lThese Brave Irish Soliders after Surrendered back i Ireland as Losers, some demoted, that as cowards until 70/80 Years later were the recognised by thre 🇮🇪☘️Country they Bravely stood there as Irish Warriors
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great movie review guys! certain scenes it was awesome to watch your faces! Looked like you were ready to go back into battle! This movie was great, such a shame that the Irish soldiers of Jadotville were not honored/recognized until so many years later.
Sean, bro, I know "Beers are Breakdowns" is traditionally a movie assessment. But, I just watched an episode of The Shawn Ryan Show, and he interviewed Tom Satterly. I think it would be the best addendum to the show for just one episode, and we'd all learn a ton from your assessment.
I mean, I know podcasts aren't normally the way you do your thing. But, if not that, there's a movie called "The Hornets Nest" that was a documentary of Afghanistan, and I watched it right after I got home, and the shit was rough. That might also be a great one to do for all the Afghan vets that watch your show. Either way, I fuckin love your channel bro.
One of my favorite movies that has gone under the radar lately. Another great one today! Would also love to see a breakdown of 6 Underground. I'm sure Buck will have some fun opinions on that one
we did that 6 underground check it out
Outnumbered by a force of around 30 to 1, and only 5 Irishmen injured compared to 2500 enemy killed or injured, the figures are astonishing. The Irish are a compassionate and friendly race and so its easy to forget they are also Celtic warriors, you f**k with an Irishman at your own risk. They will be your best friend or your worst nightmare and they leave it up to you to decide, choose wisely.
There’s a reason the peoples of the British isles, conquered so much of the world.
@rickb.4168 Ireland is not part of the British Isles
@onkouth too right we're not!
@@onkouthWe are. It's a geographical region and has nothing to do with being part of Britain.
It's not a 'geographical region' It is a British colloquialism and is not recognized by any nation or international body. Our country as per our constitution is either Ireland or Eire. There is no other name@@rolfharris7508
On the 19:55 part; Isn’t it a war crime to use ambulances to deploy weapon systems from ambulances ? Yes; a medic can carry a weapon, but only to defend himself and the people he’s providing medical care to
I'm always bummed when the episode ends. But that's a good thing I guess 😁 Thanks gents! As always 💯
The other big factor in the battle was 2 ancient ford armoured cars , basically old ford trucks , armoured with a cupola holding a vickers machine gun ,
Too heavy to go off road , but effectively a semi mobile armoured pill box with a vickers ,
Made a huge difference ,
It's even scarier when you read about what happened when they were released from captivity - they were literally back in combat within days prior to being sent home. There are a couple of good books out there about this..."The Heroes of Jadotville" by Rose Doyle lays things out pretty well. The company commander was quite on top of training his troops prior to deployment as well continuing it while they were there.
And of course you mentioned that at the end - guess I shouldn't type until the end of the piece, lol
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He swore to his men before he left Ireland he'd bring them back safe and he did.
Great stuff guys and I love The movie too.. And the main guy was a great leader.
This was a good movie. Thanks for doing a Break Down of it.
I like these movies about lesser known battles of forgotten forces that was just as intense and important as the other bookmarked battles of the cold war. The mercenary glory days versus formidable UK badasses
Dude they were Irish army, nothing to do with the UK
I definitely love this channel. I can't do Special Forces, I've seen the SF assessment and selection course is hard. In other words i can't do shit. Thank you for your service
The barrels of water were probably collected rain water. I remember my grandparents used to do that.
The main rifle the Irish were using is the FN FAL. It is a 7.62 Nato rifle. Their standard load out should be six mags or 20 rounds. There were no 223 rounds out there. The 223 round basically didn't become some what common until the 80s and the adoption of the South African R4/Galil rifle. While the numbers of hostile forces was large they generally don't have good supply lines so troops can only expect to use what they carry in and generally that isn't much. If they have extra anything they sell it off for money and to save weight. As to the water issue. With water being contaminated in Africa with parasites and disease it has to be purified and that can be time consuming because of the prosses. So it makes sense that they just had not got to the point of purifying the new water. Another great review on your part.
20:17 lol my man that was a 1919 machine gun they set up not a mortar system. The mortar system was behind the tree line in trucks, the Irish blow it up at one point.
Most people are not appreciating the influence; or is it lack of influence; of 'the cruiser' (Mark Strong's character) and his position in a confusing and ever more complex diplomatic situation. Key personnel were dying or disappearing even if they weren't engaged in armed combat. Coincidences do happen of course. Allegedly. Almost certainly out of his depth from the beginning, The Cruiser ended up hung out to dry by the UN after the death of Hammarskjold. His later long career as the BBC's tame Irishman never did his country many favours either.
Buck: "The English language is kicking my ass." Abel: "The Jamesons is kicking your ass." You guys are THE BEST.
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Great movie and great review both of which i enjoyed to sub. Thnx lads 👍👍
Didnt know about this movie, now I gotta watch it!
I know the guy who wrote the book about it and he said intersecting fields of fire and a better, deeper trench system that is shown in the Irish the edge.