The Treaty of Versailles is overblown. Territorially, Germany's losses were moderate and not unreasonable. What made the treaty stink was the war reparations, and the hypocrisy of proclaiming the 14 points and "self-determination" while denying Germany her land.
Very annoyed that I got no notification of this, I was looking forward to tuning in. In any case, you've been on fire as of late AM, as is to be expected.
Prussia's greatest political leader of all times Otto von Bismarck once wrote "Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the disintegration of Russia, which is supported by millions of believers of the Russians of the Greek confession. The latter, even if they are separated as a result of international treaties, will reunite with each other as quickly as separated drops of mercury find their way to each other. This indestructible State of the Russian nation is strong by its climate, its spaces and its simplicity, as well as through the awareness of the need for constant protection of its borders. This State, even after complete defeat, will remain our creation, an enemy seeking revenge, as we have in the case of today's France in the West. This would create a situation of constant tension for the future, which we will be forced to assume if Russia decides to attack us or Austria. But I am not ready to assume this responsibility and be the initiator creating such a situation ourselves." If only his wise words were heeded by his successors, Prussia would still be intact.
He also wrote this: "Hit the Poles so hard that they despair of their life; I have full sympathy for their condition, but if we want to survive we can only exterminate them". Damn prophet!😂
Tyvm Gents! As Lithuanian, I find this deconstruction very valuable and tbh, was looking for similar analysis of Prussia's demise recently for quite a while. Cheers!
It would be interesting to watch a stream about the fall of the Spanish Empire and the so-called wars of independence of Latin American countries from a reactionary (I supposed it would be pro-Spanish) position.
One big theme across that history is that Bolivar and other revolutionaries envisioned a United Latin America, and asking why that didn’t happen will open up separate rabbit holes explaining how the various nations as we know them today were formed.
in case you didn't know; its been done already,even in Span ish speaking historians, both iberian and american. Their positions make it clear that the independence wars were really a civil war between royalists and rich merchant free-masons. Most of the soldiers in the "royalist" army were native people. Even Native Noblemen supported the royalist cause because the Spanish King had granted them privileges and autonomoy. Under the liberalist regimes- the natives got all their identity and lands wiped out.
@@marylamb1407 That's true, but I would also argue it's a pagan tendency. On one end you have the Roman triumph procession where they would humiliate captured enemy leaders and boast about the loot. This was known as Spolia Optima, or "rich spoils". On the other end you have the paganism of the Aztecs which was vastly more brutal and ubiquitous in civilian life. The Ancient Romans already considered human sacrifice to be barbaric. They would make "due" by sacrificing sheep, pigs, bulls, rabbits, chickens. The Roman ritual of Suoavetaurillia is a prime example, but human sacrifice was never normalized. However the soldiers would offer the blood of their slain enemies to Mars. Religious loophole of the time I guess, war provided enough shedding of human blood.
@@hermeticchonk371 Thank you for your reply. I take your point. With the exception of Carthage, neither Rome or the German tribes tried to destroyed all aspects of the conquered peoples. They generally incorporated and blended with them. There existed a respect for the enemy and not a psychopathic hatred.
I would love if AM could do a video on Crown Prince Frederick III and if he didn’t have throat cancer. Frederick William IV is non-existent in the history of Germany and Prussia, don’t think I’ve seen any English biography on him.
@@zafarahmed3468Crown Prince Frederick III was married to one of Queen Victoria’s daughters. Is that correct? Was it possible he didn’t have throat cancer? I don’t know much about Frederick William IV or how long he reigned. I think he died around the time of the American Civil War in 1862-1863, somewhere around that time period. I believe he had no children so his younger brother Wilhelm succeeded him.
@@MichaelTreadwell-jo9bi Yes he was. He was married to Princess Victoria. Bismarck didn’t not like her, he thought she was a spy for the English and put liberal ideas into the Crown Prince. It is said that Queen Victoria was jealous when her daughter became Empress of Germany since she couldn’t gain the title of empress yet (she would became empress of India in 1877). Also a while ago I was at Windsor Castle and a bust of Frederick III was there. I’ve read that he was a favourite of Queen Victoria. As for Frederick William IV, I haven’t read any English biography of him (probably some in German). He is known for his fascination with German nationalism but in a medieval way where all the other kings would submit to Prussian leadership like the electors of the HRE would do to the emperor. You can see this in how Prussia tried to unite Germany through the Erfurt Union. He famously rejected the German crown from Frankfurt as he didn’t want a crown from the gutter implying he believed in divine right of kings. I’ve seen the term romanticist being used for him
@@zafarahmed3468Frederick William IV by David E. Barclay. I have uploaded it to the archive. Go to the I.A. and search for "David E. Barclay" (you must include the quotation marks).
don’t understand why German of today are so weird . Don’t they know that their entire dna is Russian and Irish and Italian form the soldiers of occupation? My friend did random dna and found Slavic dna in 70% of Germans who volunteered and all germans look extremely Russian , they don’t have the German Nordic features of World War Two soldiers . Many German have both grandfathers and great grandfathers who were Russian or Italian American soldiers . The Russians turned your country into a Russian country with your entire population looking Russian with Russian soldiers as fathers and grandfathers. Every single German I see look Mongolian and Russian to me. None of them look like the Germans of world war 2. 😢
@@oooshafiqooo Lot of German colonies and towns in the south, and in general the southern cone has strong european influence. Germany will rise again, for we share the same archetype of the phoenix. deutschland uber alles.
Citys like Pomerode and São João do Oeste in Santa Catarina (State) Brazil... also Hunsrückisch is a German dialect spoken in the Hunsrück region, in southwestern Germany, being the dialect that gave rise to the Hunsrik language spoken in the Brazilian states of Santa Catarina, Rio Grande do Sul, Paraná and Espírito Santo, and which has a strong influence from Portuguese .
@ To a limited degree, I suppose. Though, much of Sparta’s legacy is quite possibly myth making, whereas Prussia’s I think is somewhat less so. Prussia and the German empire it formed managed to create a pretty functional modern state with excellent industry, a burgeoning welfare system and literally the best army in the world at the time. It was a major player in science, philosophy, ect. On the flip side, it had moments of genuine brutality, that grimly foreshadowed the horrors of the 20th century. But, in the 19th century, that was largely yet to come. I have a lot more respect for the Prussia of Bismarck and Frederick III than that of the 1930s.
Southern Germany retains a bit of its identity, specifically in Bavaria. Speaking as a resident of the also completely extirpated former Kingdom of Hannover, it is rather sobering to think of what we have lost, yet that is the German peculiarity of nationbuilding, after all Prussia all but dominated the "lesser" German kingdoms quite a bit.
Austrians were Germanised Celts. And anyway, in terms of physical traits and capabilities, the fact that they were high Aryan concentration Baltic Sea peoples is far more important than whichever language they spoke. Poles are smarter than Bulgarians, Prussians smarter than Bavarians, Piedmontese smarter than Sicilians etc
@ yes Austria was a Roman province so you had a bunch of Latin settlers there as well before the Slavic migration into the area. East Germany is very evenly mixed where about half of the surnames are of Slavic origins and the other half Germanic.
@ the Old Prussians were Baltic yes, but I am talking about Greater Prussia which is east of the Elbe and stretches over the Oder towards the Vistula. That territory is mix of Slavs & Germans with no Balts since the Balts live east of the Vistula in what is commonly referred to as East Prussia.
9:55 Ha, ha "Growth of Brandenburg-Prussia..." "Acquisitions"... A bit of understatement. Dr. Robert Citino's shortest summary of Prussian(German) history: they believed they can bite off more than they can chew."
@@nigelhornberry8062Very interesting about Princess Sophie also known as Catherine the Great. She was not trusted by the Tsarina Elizabeth probably with good reason since she more than likely had Elizabeth’s heir Peter III murdered to get him out of the way so she could become the next empress. I had a feeling that she was German.
@@MichaelTreadwell-jo9bi the Romanovs and many German dynasties were close. Alexander I was outraged when Napoleon annexed Oldenburg, the ruler was Alexander’s brother-in-law.
Bismarck is referred to as the Iron Chancellor. However, didn’t Bismarck have serious disagreements with the Prussian general Moltke? Didn’t Bismarck actually prevent Moltke from taking even more territory from France?
Bismarck literally orchestrated the war or was one of the biggest influencers in its outbreak. It’s not a saving grace to be like , no, don’t make a bigger mess than I wanted
Bismarck did have a serious disagreement with Wilhelm and the General Military Staff over the 1866 Austrian Peace. The King and the military wanted to march on Vienna and annex parts of Bohemia but Bismarck correctly knew that this would bring about the European powers to intervene. In the end, he won the disagreement with the Crown Prince Frederick agreeing with him.
@@MichaelTreadwell-jo9bi He was dismissed by Wilhelm II. But at that time, Bismarck had no support all his allies were retired or passed away. Out with the old in with the new I guess you can say from Wilhelm II’s perspective. Foreign policy wise, Bismarck and Wilhelm were two different individuals. Bismarck wanted to maintain the 1871 status quo and not let the Reinsurance Treaty lapse while Wilhelm wanted to embark on Weltpolitik. Two completely opposing foreign policy views. Domestically, the new kaiser wanted to be loved by his fellow German population and this meant he wanted to push through bills that would improve social welfare. I’m not too familiar with the domestic situation but the two leaders had different views. I should mention Wihlem’s social policy would have affected Bismarck and his support from the Junker class.
Drang nach osten was slightly reversed, by far not fully. Check the history of Ruegen island...Pomern, Berlin, Brandenburg, Silesia, the Sorbs, Obotrites etc.
@@Julian-d1u yes but this guy is arguing that germany has some kind of evil want to expand eastwords even though the slavs were the first ones to kick out the germanic tribes. Im just proving him wrong by employing your argument.
16:44 "coherent territorial identity" what is that in case of Prussia, what year are you talking about? Prussia was the patchwork of lands that were conquered and which Prussia wanted to digest. When Prussia annexed the third Partition of Poland Prussian authorities sent 10000 biurocrats to control new territory.
22:21 Prussian state under Bismarck entered anti-catholic Kulturkampf madness that was at the end counter-productive, strengthening Catholic population (in the West and in the East)
22:31 Prussian Industrialization - you committed important event. How Prussia got those territories that: 1. became the heart of Industrialization 2. Were bordering France (how convenient:) ) Can you tell which country promoted this idea during negotiations in Vienna ending in 1815. This country thought that it is ok to feed the beast if at that time the beast is not eating them. But the beast is the beast: Prussian army agressively attacks - whether this is XVIII, XIX or XX century.
24:16 "the Polish minority"... After the 3rd Partition of Poland Prussia became the country with Catholic majority. And as I wrote earlier history of Prussia and later Germany is the history of self-generated problems and at the end self-inflicted destruction.
Strange sentiment in comments: intellectually opposing the Prussians or the Germans to imaginary "Slavs". We are separate people; Poles, Czechs, Muscovites, Slovaks being lumped into one sack. It doesn't work that way. For example, for the majority of its history, Prussia was an ally of Muscovy, united in their hatred of Poland. Czechs became fully germanised and had to revive their own language from scratch in the 19th century. Yet, at the end, the outcome for Prussia was the same across this imaginary Slavorum.
11:27 ..."one nation if you can call it that.." No, it makes no sense to call it nation. What nation is that? Are you claiming that there was one nation living in Bra-Prussia?
don’t understand why German of today are so weird . Don’t they know that their entire dna is Russian and Irish and Italian form the soldiers of occupation? My friend did random dna and found Slavic dna in 70% of Germans who volunteered and all germans look extremely Russian , they don’t have the German Nordic features of World War Two soldiers . Many German have both grandfathers and great grandfathers who were Russian or Italian American soldiers . The Russians turned your country into a Russian country with your entire population looking Russian with Russian soldiers as fathers and grandfathers. Every single German I see look Mongolian and Russian to me. None of them look like the Germans of world war 2.
15:14 you are wrong: "this idea of Prussia" was attack, subdue, annex, exploit and again attack. This is, what you call, "a core identity" of Dutchy of Prussia. So you should use the word self-extintion, self-destruction... And with this basic observation it is easier to understand why "most of these territories are now" -you forgot to ad BACK - "part of Poland".
@@zk1919 Prussia and Russia brought civilisation to the wild polish tribes. To this very day Poland is awfully ungrateful. Prussia may be gone but at least Russia will one day collect this debt.
Greetings from Neustadt von Westpreussen🙋 Germans built us a railway, factory, many churches, schools and hospitals, landkreis neustadt will never forget you.
This is all historically interesting, but if you're undeclared goal is to resuscitate or otherwise excuse Prussian nationalism, you're a fool, and a victim of history besides.
don’t understand why German of today are so weird . Don’t they know that their entire dna is Russian and Irish and Italian form the soldiers of occupation? My friend did random dna and found Slavic dna in 70% of Germans who volunteered and all germans look extremely Russian , they don’t have the German Nordic features of World War Two soldiers . Many German have both grandfathers and great grandfathers who were Russian or Italian American soldiers . The Russians turned your country into a Russian country with your entire population looking Russian with Russian soldiers as fathers and grandfathers. Every single German I see look Mongolian and Russian to me. None of them look like the Germans of world war 2.
Funny how Slavs can resuscitate their tribal nationalisms any time they want ( Poland, modern Russia etc ) but if Germans wanted to do same with Prussian Nationalism then suddenly it would become a problem, hypocrisy at it's finest.
The nation most responsible for the unification of Germany was a calamity for Germany ? WW2 Allied propaganda has really done a number on you ( don't worry you aren't the only one to suffering from this brainwashing ) it's time to wake up and learn the true history of this time period.
You guys are walking a tenuous tight rope not sounding like a pair of ultra right wing punters in a pub. Honestly I feel like there is venom when you say Poland. You say it like when the malfoys say Potter in the Harry Potter movie. I really enjoy your streams but I can't help but think there isn't very much sensitivity to the people died serving during those wars and the civis that lost their lives.
We offered no opinion on Poland because it wasn't the topic of the stream. Whatever "venom" you feel is purely an unsubstantiated inference. It's not as if I've said numerous times across many videos that Frederick II duped Austria and Russia into the partitions.
@ApostolicMajesty I appreciate your hasty response. You are also somewhat correct. The war had effected my family greatly as did so many others and I do get physical reactions to such subject matter. Secondly I want to say that actually this issue is a drop in an ocean ( Of what is this video) of compliments and agreements I have for this cast . I should have opened with that. I just have a terrible habit of highlighting the bad and not the good. This was just one but of friction as to an otherwise great stream.
Separately, the duping into partitioning Poland is fascinating and enlightening, sadly I haven't heard that anywhere else, so I think you would break ground in an empty space with in History that you could easily expand into and monopolize
It was a massive post-war genocide that got memory holed for the sake of a narrative, so I can imagine they find literature and attitudes justifying it distasteful, especially those before and feeding in to the act. Of course many others suffered, it is the hypocrisy of claiming one side is wholly good for their sufferings while also being good for implementing the same on other civilian populations that can't help but leave a bitter taste upon leaving the mouth, especially when those left to the dirtiest work (and who had genuinely suffered to a degree unimaginable in the west) had a much less pathological obsession with erasing people's for it's own sake. Ironic when talking about the Soviets. Of course there is also an element, not very present on this channel as AM is a lover of Austrian and Russian histories and their link to Rome and Christian theology far more than he is an ethnic historian, that people in western countries are far more related to the Germans than the Slavs and that it's weird they don't have sympathy for the sufferings of either group but rather of another. But while those people might watch this channel I think they can appreciate AM's perspective, and I hope, your own (loyalty to your own being a high virtue after all).
You are not missing a bit. Ciech, Both honorable lecturers here offer apologetic imperial views of history, Prussian, Russian, or Anglosphere. Why would they bother over "little people" expirence? To quote Bismarck, "I feel for plaid of Poland, but doesn't one kill a wolf when he has a chance?".
@@Joey-The-Chudactually they were deporting them from Congress Poland. Lands that Nasties annexed after 1939 war. Nasties gave my granpapy houses to Folksdeutsche they resetled from Besarabia. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
@@Matthewt756Allied powers learned from mistakes of Versailles. First on the list was occupation of the Germany. We are still there with the military presence to keep them in check. Removal of German presence east of Oder Neise line was also important part of the peace plan. After the war, cohabitation with the German minority was physically not possible. Look at what happened in Czechia in 1945 and Czech Germans didn't even participate in extermination of their fellow citizens as it happened in Poland.
To all apologists of this bygone German colonial project, here what Bismarck wrote to his sister, "Hit the Poles so hard that they despair of their life; I have full sympathy for their condition, but if we want to survive we can only exterminate them...". HELLO!
Polish nationalists making up stories again to feel good about stealing German land, as if the Slavs don't have enough land already ( reminder that all of eastern Europe besides Romania, Hungary and Greece are Slavic nations ).
@Joey-The-Chud here is the reference for the Bismarck quote: Holborn, Hajo. A History of Modern Germany: 1840-1945. Vol. 3. Taylor & Francis. p. 165. I find offensive that you put all of us into one sack with Ivan. With the same logic ger-maniac holdings in Europa, including Britain, France, Italy, Scandinavia, BRD, Austria, Swiss and etc are not to shabby either. Anyhow stay on your side of the Oder Hans. 😊
@Julian-d1u i think this chud guy is trying to troll. Yes, he probably believes in the hateful stuff he is spouting. I am reaching out because he has commented on my comments with stuff I don't like and find at minimum distasteful. I can see that you have put in a lot of effort to what you have written, I respect it. I study history at an undergrad level so I appreciate you.
@@Julian-d1uFunny how the most hardcore Bismarck quotes still can't compare to the pure hate espoused by Polish politicians during the interwar period against the German people.
The US invaded both Canada and Mexico in the 19th century. Britain invaded Ireland and France many times throughout history. Russia invaded all their neighbours many times. Such is just how independent states operate.
This Video has "radicalised" me almost as much as reading the Versailles-"Treaty" back when I was in School.
The Treaty of Versailles is overblown. Territorially, Germany's losses were moderate and not unreasonable. What made the treaty stink was the war reparations, and the hypocrisy of proclaiming the 14 points and "self-determination" while denying Germany her land.
Very annoyed that I got no notification of this, I was looking forward to tuning in. In any case, you've been on fire as of late AM, as is to be expected.
The "upcoming" notice said 6 am but it started at 4 am AEST.
Look how they murdered my boy 😢
Don Vito !
@@BaronEvola123 Von Dito in this case
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Nothing is like it seams!
Prussia's greatest political leader of all times Otto von Bismarck once wrote "Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the disintegration of Russia, which is supported by millions of believers of the Russians of the Greek confession. The latter, even if they are separated as a result of international treaties, will reunite with each other as quickly as separated drops of mercury find their way to each other. This indestructible State of the Russian nation is strong by its climate, its spaces and its simplicity, as well as through the awareness of the need for constant protection of its borders. This State, even after complete defeat, will remain our creation, an enemy seeking revenge, as we have in the case of today's France in the West. This would create a situation of constant tension for the future, which we will be forced to assume if Russia decides to attack us or Austria. But I am not ready to assume this responsibility and be the initiator creating such a situation ourselves." If only his wise words were heeded by his successors, Prussia would still be intact.
He also wrote this: "Hit the Poles so hard that they despair of their life; I have full sympathy for their condition, but if we want to survive we can only exterminate them". Damn prophet!😂
@@joshuapaul2022 thanks for the quote. You got a source please? I’m doing my thesis on Bismarck and this quote will be useful to me
Proud of my Franconian Bayern Anspach Oberlausitz & Preussen ancestors -military men barons a diplomat and farmers!
@@mikei7498 so what, still nothing useful became of you!
Tyvm Gents! As Lithuanian, I find this deconstruction very valuable and tbh, was looking for similar analysis of Prussia's demise recently for quite a while. Cheers!
Great stream gentlemen, thank you!
It would be interesting to watch a stream about the fall of the Spanish Empire and the so-called wars of independence of Latin American countries from a reactionary (I supposed it would be pro-Spanish) position.
One big theme across that history is that Bolivar and other revolutionaries envisioned a United Latin America, and asking why that didn’t happen will open up separate rabbit holes explaining how the various nations as we know them today were formed.
in case you didn't know; its been done already,even in Span ish speaking historians, both iberian and american. Their positions make it clear that the independence wars were really a civil war between royalists and rich merchant free-masons. Most of the soldiers in the "royalist" army were native people. Even Native Noblemen supported the royalist cause because the Spanish King had granted them privileges and autonomoy. Under the liberalist regimes- the natives got all their identity and lands wiped out.
Started listening thinking Id turn it off in 20 minutes but I'm here two hours later
"....to the winnah go the spoils!" - Bobby, The Sopranos.
“Why don’ you take your little quotations book and shove it up your fat fuckin’ asch!” - Tony Soprano
sacrebleu, where's me mama!?
How is razing your enemy completely winning? It's not a European value, it's a Hebrew one.
@@marylamb1407 That's true, but I would also argue it's a pagan tendency. On one end you have the Roman triumph procession where they would humiliate captured enemy leaders and boast about the loot. This was known as Spolia Optima, or "rich spoils". On the other end you have the paganism of the Aztecs which was vastly more brutal and ubiquitous in civilian life. The Ancient Romans already considered human sacrifice to be barbaric. They would make "due" by sacrificing sheep, pigs, bulls, rabbits, chickens. The Roman ritual of Suoavetaurillia is a prime example, but human sacrifice was never normalized. However the soldiers would offer the blood of their slain enemies to Mars. Religious loophole of the time I guess, war provided enough shedding of human blood.
@@hermeticchonk371 Thank you for your reply. I take your point. With the exception of Carthage, neither Rome or the German tribes tried to destroyed all aspects of the conquered peoples. They generally incorporated and blended with them. There existed a respect for the enemy and not a psychopathic hatred.
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We certainly should look at the earliest history
Perhaps a presentation on Frederick William IV? What happened to that monarch?
I would love if AM could do a video on Crown Prince Frederick III and if he didn’t have throat cancer. Frederick William IV is non-existent in the history of Germany and Prussia, don’t think I’ve seen any English biography on him.
@@zafarahmed3468Crown Prince Frederick III was married to one of Queen Victoria’s daughters. Is that correct? Was it possible he didn’t have throat cancer? I don’t know much about Frederick William IV or how long he reigned. I think he died around the time of the American Civil War in 1862-1863, somewhere around that time period. I believe he had no children so his younger brother Wilhelm succeeded him.
@@MichaelTreadwell-jo9bi Yes he was. He was married to Princess Victoria. Bismarck didn’t not like her, he thought she was a spy for the English and put liberal ideas into the Crown Prince. It is said that Queen Victoria was jealous when her daughter became Empress of Germany since she couldn’t gain the title of empress yet (she would became empress of India in 1877). Also a while ago I was at Windsor Castle and a bust of Frederick III was there. I’ve read that he was a favourite of Queen Victoria.
As for Frederick William IV, I haven’t read any English biography of him (probably some in German). He is known for his fascination with German nationalism but in a medieval way where all the other kings would submit to Prussian leadership like the electors of the HRE would do to the emperor. You can see this in how Prussia tried to unite Germany through the Erfurt Union. He famously rejected the German crown from Frankfurt as he didn’t want a crown from the gutter implying he believed in divine right of kings. I’ve seen the term romanticist being used for him
The first two were so good, nobody was paying to see anything past the original trilogy.
@@zafarahmed3468Frederick William IV by David E. Barclay. I have uploaded it to the archive. Go to the I.A. and search for "David E. Barclay" (you must include the quotation marks).
Pretty sure Prussia exists to this day in South America, they just moved from Germany to Chile.
don’t understand why German of today are so weird . Don’t they know that their entire dna is Russian and Irish and Italian form the soldiers of occupation? My friend did random dna and found Slavic dna in 70% of Germans who volunteered and all germans look extremely Russian , they don’t have the German Nordic features of World War Two soldiers . Many German have both grandfathers and great grandfathers who were Russian or Italian American soldiers . The Russians turned your country into a Russian country with your entire population looking Russian with Russian soldiers as fathers and grandfathers. Every single German I see look Mongolian and Russian to me. None of them look like the Germans of world war 2. 😢
Given that you are pasting this under multiple comments I'm going to assume it's bait.
thats only the Prussian army, how about the Prussian people, the Prussian homeland?!?
@@oooshafiqooo Lot of German colonies and towns in the south, and in general the southern cone has strong european influence. Germany will rise again, for we share the same archetype of the phoenix.
deutschland uber alles.
Citys like Pomerode and São João do Oeste in Santa Catarina (State) Brazil... also Hunsrückisch is a German dialect spoken in the Hunsrück region, in southwestern Germany, being the dialect that gave rise to the Hunsrik language spoken in the Brazilian states of Santa Catarina, Rio Grande do Sul, Paraná and Espírito Santo, and which has a strong influence from Portuguese .
For all her faults Prussia is probably going to be one of my models for an ideal state. It’s a shame it fell to such corruption, and I mourn its loss.
I suppose you could compare them to Sparta in their militarism.
@ To a limited degree, I suppose. Though, much of Sparta’s legacy is quite possibly myth making, whereas Prussia’s I think is somewhat less so.
Prussia and the German empire it formed managed to create a pretty functional modern state with excellent industry, a burgeoning welfare system and literally the best army in the world at the time. It was a major player in science, philosophy, ect. On the flip side, it had moments of genuine brutality, that grimly foreshadowed the horrors of the 20th century.
But, in the 19th century, that was largely yet to come. I have a lot more respect for the Prussia of Bismarck and Frederick III than that of the 1930s.
yep, its a very militaristic and liberal state for it's time
@@oooshafiqooo It managed to somehow be oddly both. Kinda strange but here we are.
@TitusCastiglione1503 true
Southern Germany retains a bit of its identity, specifically in Bavaria. Speaking as a resident of the also completely extirpated former Kingdom of Hannover, it is rather sobering to think of what we have lost, yet that is the German peculiarity of nationbuilding, after all Prussia all but dominated the "lesser" German kingdoms quite a bit.
It is ironic that the Germanized Slavs in Prussia & Austria became the two principal nations of Germania.
Stuff like that typically happens in history the outsider comes along and takes over.
Austrians were Germanised Celts. And anyway, in terms of physical traits and capabilities, the fact that they were high Aryan concentration Baltic Sea peoples is far more important than whichever language they spoke. Poles are smarter than Bulgarians, Prussians smarter than Bavarians, Piedmontese smarter than Sicilians etc
@ yes Austria was a Roman province so you had a bunch of Latin settlers there as well before the Slavic migration into the area.
East Germany is very evenly mixed where about half of the surnames are of Slavic origins and the other half Germanic.
The Prussians were not Slavs at all, but Baltics. Prussian language was related to Lithuanian and Latvian language.
@ the Old Prussians were Baltic yes, but I am talking about Greater Prussia which is east of the Elbe and stretches over the Oder towards the Vistula. That territory is mix of Slavs & Germans with no Balts since the Balts live east of the Vistula in what is commonly referred to as East Prussia.
great show guys!
Very interesting stream, thanks
Ich bin ein Preuße, will ein Preuße sein!
You were like a scorpion riding on frogg back in thev proverbial story... it's just your nature to sting.
@Julian-d1u Maybe I am to german to undestand this. But what does your answer even mean?
@@wacherwicht1810 "The scorpion and the frog" is a fable. He is likening Prussia to the scorpion.
@@gravygravyjoshand frog to Poland. I explained this to him, once here but censorship 😂
Great stuff lads!
Prussia will rise again.
@@Interlocutor67 how ?
@, on the ruins of the Bundesrepublik after the Americans leave Europe.
@@Interlocutor67 "Ich habe einen Traum, meine Herren!"
i like you optimisim
It will never happen.
@ , sure it could once Germans are healthy again .
9:55 Ha, ha "Growth of Brandenburg-Prussia..." "Acquisitions"...
A bit of understatement.
Dr. Robert Citino's shortest summary of Prussian(German) history: they believed they can bite off more than they can chew."
Where did Catherine the Great come from? She married the Russian heir to the throne but I know Catherine herself was not Russian.
@MichaelTreadwell-jo9bi She was German. Born in Prussia as Princess Sophie of Anhalt-Zerbst.
@@nigelhornberry8062Very interesting about Princess Sophie also known as Catherine the Great. She was not trusted by the Tsarina Elizabeth probably with good reason since she more than likely had Elizabeth’s heir Peter III murdered to get him out of the way so she could become the next empress. I had a feeling that she was German.
@@MichaelTreadwell-jo9bi the Romanovs and many German dynasties were close. Alexander I was outraged when Napoleon annexed Oldenburg, the ruler was Alexander’s brother-in-law.
@@zafarahmed3468 That is very interesting. Thank you.
@@MichaelTreadwell-jo9bi And Peter himself was of the german house of Holstein-gottorb.
Bismarck is referred to as the Iron Chancellor. However, didn’t Bismarck have serious disagreements with the Prussian general Moltke? Didn’t Bismarck actually prevent Moltke from taking even more territory from France?
Bismarck literally orchestrated the war or was one of the biggest influencers in its outbreak. It’s not a saving grace to be like , no, don’t make a bigger mess than I wanted
Bismarck did have a serious disagreement with Wilhelm and the General Military Staff over the 1866 Austrian Peace. The King and the military wanted to march on Vienna and annex parts of Bohemia but Bismarck correctly knew that this would bring about the European powers to intervene. In the end, he won the disagreement with the Crown Prince Frederick agreeing with him.
@@zafarahmed3468 Bismarck resigned when Wilhelm II was king. Or was he sacked? What was going on between Bismarck and Wilhelm II that caused the rift?
@@MichaelTreadwell-jo9bi He was dismissed by Wilhelm II. But at that time, Bismarck had no support all his allies were retired or passed away. Out with the old in with the new I guess you can say from Wilhelm II’s perspective. Foreign policy wise, Bismarck and Wilhelm were two different individuals. Bismarck wanted to maintain the 1871 status quo and not let the Reinsurance Treaty lapse while Wilhelm wanted to embark on Weltpolitik. Two completely opposing foreign policy views.
Domestically, the new kaiser wanted to be loved by his fellow German population and this meant he wanted to push through bills that would improve social welfare. I’m not too familiar with the domestic situation but the two leaders had different views. I should mention Wihlem’s social policy would have affected Bismarck and his support from the Junker class.
@@zafarahmed3468Thank you. Very interesting.
Drang nach osten was slightly reversed, by far not fully.
Check the history of Ruegen island...Pomern, Berlin, Brandenburg, Silesia, the Sorbs, Obotrites etc.
All of these places were lived by Germanic tribes about 500 years before slavs entered modern day Germany
@philippmulthaup6781 what's your point? Yamnaya or Cordware were there before 😂
@@Julian-d1u yes but this guy is arguing that germany has some kind of evil want to expand eastwords even though the slavs were the first ones to kick out the germanic tribes. Im just proving him wrong by employing your argument.
16:44 "coherent territorial identity" what is that in case of Prussia, what year are you talking about? Prussia was the patchwork of lands that were conquered and which Prussia wanted to digest.
When Prussia annexed the third Partition of Poland Prussian authorities sent 10000 biurocrats to control new territory.
17:10 "Germany is created by Prussia expanding into Germany"
19:58 "Prussian idea of good government".... Good for whom? Poles? Danes? Or Protestants?
22:21 Prussian state under Bismarck entered anti-catholic Kulturkampf madness that was at the end counter-productive, strengthening Catholic population (in the West and in the East)
22:31 Prussian Industrialization - you committed important event. How Prussia got those territories that:
1. became the heart of Industrialization
2. Were bordering France (how convenient:) )
Can you tell which country promoted this idea during negotiations in Vienna ending in 1815. This country thought that it is ok to feed the beast if at that time the beast is not eating them. But the beast is the beast: Prussian army agressively attacks - whether this is XVIII, XIX or XX century.
24:16 "the Polish minority"...
After the 3rd Partition of Poland Prussia became the country with Catholic majority. And as I wrote earlier history of Prussia and later Germany is the history of self-generated problems and at the end self-inflicted destruction.
Poland here, chiming in. If Prussia treated Poles any better way before godwin law monster, I would have some bad feelings.
@@ewok40k fuck Poland. Nobody cares what u think
Godwin law monster lmao
Godwin Law monster is a good phrase
@@ewok40k Its a pity that you don't know the full history. If you knew you may well have felt obliged to apologize to the German people.
@@jaapvandenbergh7430 what is it that he does not know
Strange sentiment in comments: intellectually opposing the Prussians or the Germans to imaginary "Slavs". We are separate people; Poles, Czechs, Muscovites, Slovaks being lumped into one sack. It doesn't work that way. For example, for the majority of its history, Prussia was an ally of Muscovy, united in their hatred of Poland. Czechs became fully germanised and had to revive their own language from scratch in the 19th century. Yet, at the end, the outcome for Prussia was the same across this imaginary Slavorum.
It was practice for modern times
Wilhelm I had the maddest barber
11:27 ..."one nation if you can call it that.." No, it makes no sense to call it nation. What nation is that? Are you claiming that there was one nation living in Bra-Prussia?
Mmm... boy, this is helpful in the current state of geopolitics. ...
tf is the overarching point here? its 3.25hrs long.
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RIP Prussia. Germany today is pathetic, though things can improve.
don’t understand why German of today are so weird . Don’t they know that their entire dna is Russian and Irish and Italian form the soldiers of occupation? My friend did random dna and found Slavic dna in 70% of Germans who volunteered and all germans look extremely Russian , they don’t have the German Nordic features of World War Two soldiers . Many German have both grandfathers and great grandfathers who were Russian or Italian American soldiers . The Russians turned your country into a Russian country with your entire population looking Russian with Russian soldiers as fathers and grandfathers. Every single German I see look Mongolian and Russian to me. None of them look like the Germans of world war 2.
@@mayaasan7201 lmao “friend“ is a funny way of saying scizo rambling
Germany was lost after WW2. They will never allow it to improve now
This was a great episode but you gotta admit, it was funny when the other guy fell asleep 😂
15:14 you are wrong: "this idea of Prussia" was attack, subdue, annex, exploit and again attack. This is, what you call, "a core identity" of Dutchy of Prussia.
So you should use the word self-extintion, self-destruction... And with this basic observation it is easier to understand why "most of these territories are now" -you forgot to ad BACK - "part of Poland".
Preach on, brother! For us, Prussia started in 1226, and we clearly can connect the dots since there. Good riddance of colonial Ubermenshen...
@@zk1919 Prussia and Russia brought civilisation to the wild polish tribes. To this very day Poland is awfully ungrateful. Prussia may be gone but at least Russia will one day collect this debt.
Greetings from Neustadt von Westpreussen🙋 Germans built us a railway, factory, many churches, schools and hospitals, landkreis neustadt will never forget you.
Pomorze. When was it named Westp.. ? What was the political reason to rename it ? Gdansk - Danzig, 1800. Why ?
@metanoian965 Languages exist bro
Prussia died two times
Was the second time when Chuck Berry wrote Roll Over Beethoven and duckwalked on the Kaiser’s grave?
@@blondequijote one was old Prussia, second german Prussia
DDR was Red Prussia.
Thata a decent way of looking at it
Can it really be called prussia without Königsberg :c
@@Longislandenjoyer true :
It truly was, bunch of Trabants from Wartburg😂
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This is all historically interesting, but if you're undeclared goal is to resuscitate or otherwise excuse Prussian nationalism, you're a fool, and a victim of history besides.
Please check your language Ben. Besides, the day of reckoning for the British has arrived.
don’t understand why German of today are so weird . Don’t they know that their entire dna is Russian and Irish and Italian form the soldiers of occupation? My friend did random dna and found Slavic dna in 70% of Germans who volunteered and all germans look extremely Russian , they don’t have the German Nordic features of World War Two soldiers . Many German have both grandfathers and great grandfathers who were Russian or Italian American soldiers . The Russians turned your country into a Russian country with your entire population looking Russian with Russian soldiers as fathers and grandfathers. Every single German I see look Mongolian and Russian to me. None of them look like the Germans of world war 2.
He is not a fan of nationalism as a whole, and has videos on the subject.
Sorry you're stupid :/
Funny how Slavs can resuscitate their tribal nationalisms any time they want ( Poland, modern Russia etc ) but if Germans wanted to do same with Prussian Nationalism then suddenly it would become a problem, hypocrisy at it's finest.
All for the best. Prussia was a calamity for Germany.
Actual average german understanding of history, it‘s surreal
The nation most responsible for the unification of Germany was a calamity for Germany ? WW2 Allied propaganda has really done a number on you ( don't worry you aren't the only one to suffering from this brainwashing ) it's time to wake up and learn the true history of this time period.
@@Joey-The-Chud shut up retard
@Joey-The-Chud lol you have never been in a warzone have you? Pathetic. So how could you possibly comment on a war. Ay kid?
Ps we can see you liking your own comments loser
You guys are walking a tenuous tight rope not sounding like a pair of ultra right wing punters in a pub. Honestly I feel like there is venom when you say Poland. You say it like when the malfoys say Potter in the Harry Potter movie. I really enjoy your streams but I can't help but think there isn't very much sensitivity to the people died serving during those wars and the civis that lost their lives.
We offered no opinion on Poland because it wasn't the topic of the stream.
Whatever "venom" you feel is purely an unsubstantiated inference.
It's not as if I've said numerous times across many videos that Frederick II duped Austria and Russia into the partitions.
@ApostolicMajesty I appreciate your hasty response. You are also somewhat correct. The war had effected my family greatly as did so many others and I do get physical reactions to such subject matter.
Secondly I want to say that actually this issue is a drop in an ocean ( Of what is this video) of compliments and agreements I have for this cast . I should have opened with that. I just have a terrible habit of highlighting the bad and not the good. This was just one but of friction as to an otherwise great stream.
Separately, the duping into partitioning Poland is fascinating and enlightening, sadly I haven't heard that anywhere else, so I think you would break ground in an empty space with in History that you could easily expand into and monopolize
It was a massive post-war genocide that got memory holed for the sake of a narrative, so I can imagine they find literature and attitudes justifying it distasteful, especially those before and feeding in to the act.
Of course many others suffered, it is the hypocrisy of claiming one side is wholly good for their sufferings while also being good for implementing the same on other civilian populations that can't help but leave a bitter taste upon leaving the mouth, especially when those left to the dirtiest work (and who had genuinely suffered to a degree unimaginable in the west) had a much less pathological obsession with erasing people's for it's own sake. Ironic when talking about the Soviets.
Of course there is also an element, not very present on this channel as AM is a lover of Austrian and Russian histories and their link to Rome and Christian theology far more than he is an ethnic historian, that people in western countries are far more related to the Germans than the Slavs and that it's weird they don't have sympathy for the sufferings of either group but rather of another. But while those people might watch this channel I think they can appreciate AM's perspective, and I hope, your own (loyalty to your own being a high virtue after all).
You are not missing a bit. Ciech, Both honorable lecturers here offer apologetic imperial views of history, Prussian, Russian, or Anglosphere. Why would they bother over "little people" expirence? To quote Bismarck, "I feel for plaid of Poland, but doesn't one kill a wolf when he has a chance?".
Just or not, the erasure of Prussia and deportation of populations in eastern Europe resulted in one of the longest periods of peace Europe has known.
As a son of parents who both went through German led deportations as children, I have limited pitty on Prussians. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
@@Julian-d1u Clearly they didn't deport enough Poles considering that they are still occupying Silesia, Danzig and Western Prussia.
@@Joey-The-Chudactually they were deporting them from Congress Poland. Lands that Nasties annexed after 1939 war. Nasties gave my granpapy houses to Folksdeutsche they resetled from Besarabia. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The subjugation of Europe by the Soviets and the US is what caused “peace” to happen. Not the expulsion of millions of Germans.
@@Matthewt756Allied powers learned from mistakes of Versailles. First on the list was occupation of the Germany. We are still there with the military presence to keep them in check. Removal of German presence east of Oder Neise line was also important part of the peace plan. After the war, cohabitation with the German minority was physically not possible. Look at what happened in Czechia in 1945 and Czech Germans didn't even participate in extermination of their fellow citizens as it happened in Poland.
To all apologists of this bygone German colonial project, here what Bismarck wrote to his sister, "Hit the Poles so hard that they despair of their life; I have full sympathy for their condition, but if we want to survive we can only exterminate them...". HELLO!
Polish nationalists making up stories again to feel good about stealing German land, as if the Slavs don't have enough land already ( reminder that all of eastern Europe besides Romania, Hungary and Greece are Slavic nations ).
@Joey-The-Chud can someone remove this offensive troll r@cist please? I just want to history and not have to put up with boys who wish they were men.
@Joey-The-Chud here is the reference for the Bismarck quote: Holborn, Hajo. A History of Modern Germany: 1840-1945. Vol. 3. Taylor & Francis. p. 165. I find offensive that you put all of us into one sack with Ivan. With the same logic ger-maniac holdings in Europa, including Britain, France, Italy, Scandinavia, BRD, Austria, Swiss and etc are not to shabby either. Anyhow stay on your side of the Oder Hans. 😊
@Julian-d1u i think this chud guy is trying to troll. Yes, he probably believes in the hateful stuff he is spouting.
I am reaching out because he has commented on my comments with stuff I don't like and find at minimum distasteful.
I can see that you have put in a lot of effort to what you have written, I respect it. I study history at an undergrad level so I appreciate you.
@@Julian-d1uFunny how the most hardcore Bismarck quotes still can't compare to the pure hate espoused by Polish politicians during the interwar period against the German people.
Two poshumous children of colonial empire cry over the destruction of a German colonial project in the East. 😅
If Prussia is a colonial experiment in the East then Poland is a Slavic colonial experiment in Western Europe, two can play this game Slav boy.
@@Joey-The-Chudyep, and still ticking one thousand fifty eight years later... Stay on your side of the Oder Turkler.
From 1820s onwards Prussia went to war and invaded at one time or another nearly every other state or nation around itself.
Oh nooo.... and other nations didn't do that? For instance like my own, like the Ottomans and many others?
The US invaded both Canada and Mexico in the 19th century.
Britain invaded Ireland and France many times throughout history.
Russia invaded all their neighbours many times.
Such is just how independent states operate.
Welcome to European history
@@free_boiling4502 True but it was Germany that started 2 wwars
@@maryhook9478 when?