Warriors Draft Curry I The Pick That Screwed The Knicks
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2022
- NBA draft night in 2009 didn’t unfold as planned for New York. Instead it was the trajectory of another long-suffering franchise, on the country’s opposite coast, that was forever altered.
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Don’t forget, Steve Kerr agreed to coach The Knicks before backing out and accepting The Warriors job. Kerr and Curry were bound to unite.
It was written in the stars.
@@jewunit347 man some real deep shit you talking right there. This is going to make for 1 hellauva documentary one day !
Kerr didn't agreed to Coach the Knicks, he got an offer from the Knicks and Warriors, and he chose the Warriors.
@@yajson Because they have Steph
@@MaxPotentialGreatness man you are so right! I think it’ll be a little more iconic then Jordan’s. Curry had a different approach to basketball as opposed to “if you don’t wanna play that way, then don’t play that way” mentality.
2009 NBA Draft: The Timberwolves passed on Steph Curry, got drafted by the Warriors
2020 NBA season: The Timberwolves traded Andrew Wiggins to the Warriors
The Timberwolves still being a blessing for the Warriors 😂
2009... Timberwolves passed on Steph TWICE. Selected Flynn and Rubio... two fricking guards, at that.
the Twolves are the real champs here. lmao
warriors should send some champ rings to twolves. lol
Tell It Like it Is
NTR vibes here. 😄
As a Golden State Warrior fan for over 20 years.... THANK YOU MINNESOTA 😊
and thanks again for wiggins
@@noreljohnquintal6396 warriors really be out here robbing Minnesota on repeat
no problem bro
this will only haunt me for the rest of my life
edit: probably until the end of our franchise
And a double thank you for Kuminga as well.
The Warriors sure know how to get the most out of those Minnesota draft picks
If Curry went to NY, D’Antoni would have ran his ankle into dust. Everything worked out for Steph.
Either that or Mello would ran him out of town for stealing his spotlight. Just like he did with Lin.
As a Knicks fan, I agree with this. Glad he didn’t go to NY. We woulda ruined this man’s career
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Even if he go to the knicks it doesn't mean they win a chip curry is great but he's a choker he can't even win without green and thompson and k.d give him additional 2 chips but kd is a bitch too so who cares
Precisely. Ending up in Golden State alongside Monte Ellis when he was at his best allowed him to develop. Anyone with half a brain who watched him at Davidson would have known he had the potential to be the best player on a team (not the all-time great he has become, but still an All-Star caliber player), but his slight build and those ankles would have rolled all over the Madison Square Garden floor if they pushed him too soon.
Props to Minnesota for taking 2 (!) different guards before curry in the same draft. Unsung heroes
Timberwolves worst franchise in history and it’s not even close.
@@taigewang3534 I would say the Kings is worse
@@taigewang3534 what are you talking about casual lmao, they're not even close to the worst. It will always be the Kings.
@@taigewang3534 Damn, kings are so bad you forgot they existed
Can’t blame the Kings for taking Tyreke Evans tho he was playing like an All-star his rookie season. If he was healthy, he would be way better than Kat and DLo combined
Thank you Timberwolves
And Sorry for Knicks
@@DarrenStevensohnOfficial never sorry for the knicks
They even gave us wiggins and kuminga lol
*timberfools
Np
Whether the Knicks drafted Curry or not, they would have found a way to mess it up. GSW stuck through the issues with Curry's ankles early in his career. Knicks probably would have traded him for peanuts.
Steph's ankles are irrelevant. As long as they could land Carmelo, Knicks would gladly give up the farm to make this trade a reality🤷♂️
GSW tried trading Curry to the Bucks. The Bucks preferred Ellis in the trade. It's not like the Warriors were behind Curry through everything but everything turned out for the better...unless you're the Cavs.
@@tawfeeqismail9279 Yeahh They decilen curry becsuse of his issue on his Ankle that's the weakness of Curry his fragile Ankle that's why he live on 3's but right now he improve his finishing skills
Bucks fired their medical staff after they sees Curry careers fly high ....
They weren’t trading Curry… lmao the Knicks don’t trade injury riddled players, they get them
@Huey Freeman 😆😆😆 so true!
The Knicks didn’t screw themselves; they did the basketball world a favor.
Steph would likely just be a footnote in history had he gone to that clownshow of an organization.
Or his career might cut short because of his injuries
They knicks did nothing. It was the wolves
Steph was drafted BEFORE the Knicks picked
Agreed. One thing about the GSW that gets criminally overlooked is their ability to find diamonds in the rough through the draft or talented players that other organizations gave up on & properly develope them. The NYK haven't had that reputation since Pat Riley left in the mid-90's.
His ingregity,and skills too big to be demized to trash,naw...
He was almost traded to both Phoenix and Milwaukee as well. And then the Clippers. As a Warriors fan I can only thank God none of this happened.
It will forever give me chills hearing Stephen curry picked by the warriors
The best thing that happened to Curry was when the Warriors was sold to the Joe Lacob ownership group. Had Chris Cohen still own it, Warriors would still be in a ditch. Curry would have become maybe a respectable All-Star. LIkely, traded to somewhere else and do better things.
@@falsch4761 Fr, linsanity was one of those "what ifs" in the league
Curry was almost traded to the bucks luckily monta ellis was the sacrificial lamb
Joe is so ballsy, addressing the boing fans that they will add another banner.
@@willc5723 Warriors offered Curry first but Bucks said no thanks due to his ankles. Can't believe how much of a generational blessing those once wobbly ankles were. It kept on giving.
Imagine being in a draft class with griffin and harden and being the only one to have rings
Jrue
@@strongestd8266 s/o to him dude got his ring 🤷🏾♂️
Let’s be honest, even if they drafted curry, you really think the Knicks would’ve allowed him to reach his potential?
Great question. Golden State seems to have run into so much good luck after picking Steph that you can't say it happened by design.
As someone else pointed out, had the Warriors not sold the team to Guber and Lacob, Steph's career could have gone in an entire different direction. You also have to consider the effect of Steph's early ankle injuries and how they contributed to him being the biggest bargain in the NBA for a few years and allowed the team additional financial flexibility. Then you add the drafting of Klay, Draymond along with the shrewd move of trading away Monta Ellis for Bogut, the firing of Mark Jackson, hiring Steve Kerr, signing KD, losing KD and Klay, then Steph to injury then winning the chip 2 years later. Talk about improbable!
Agree , like what happened to Jeremy Lin 😥
@@ericg3496 James Dolan, owner of the Knicks wanted to sign Jeremy to a decent contract under 4 million (most likely below 3 million with possibly only for one year) which he thought was quite generous, but instead of immediately attempting to sign the player, Dolan waited till the end of the season which was a bad move. Houston offered 25 million for a 3 year contract which the Knicks didn't want to match, and also because Carmelo Anthony didn't like the position he was going to be in if Jeremy Lin stayed with the team.
The Knicks never got enough with Carmelo alone on the team, since, he likes playing hero ball, and Houston decided to give the team to James Harden rather than let Jeremy Lin lead. There's a lot of drama up in the box seats on the ownership level and players are just the pawns.
As a knicks fan “we probably would have traded him for an aging star with our shitty front office and horrible player development would have kept him subpar
i find it absolutely amazing that no one ever talks about Minnesota passing up on Curry not once but twice! Chooses 2 point guards in the process but the narrative goes to the Knicks because for some odd apparent reason, its a much more interesting story.
there is a nba team in minnesota? didn't know that...
Because the knicks are willing to draft curry, even curry expected to play for them. Minnesota doesnt care about him
Literally everyone talks about us taking 2 guards over curry
Yea somehow the knicks stay in the media. No matter how bad they are, we still have to talk about the most valuable team in the NBA
Knicks for clicks
Every Warriors fan is grateful to Minnesota 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you Timberwolves!
Sincerely,
Warriors org & fan base
I have lived in New York my whole life and was a Knicks fan until I got tired of the ownership being trash. They had not kept or developed a lottery pick since Ewing, so all that would have happened to Curry is a trade when/if he suffered those early ankle injuries.
As a Knicks fan I can safely say that I'm glad we did not draft him. A Generational talent like Curry would only be held down by our inept organization...
Sorry dude sounds like being a Knicks fan is tough
@@jessISaRicePrincess Ever heard of suckramento kings?
@@lancelistones6782 doing much better than the knicks as of lately thats for sure
Timberwolves were the one screwing themselves, Ricky Rubio and Jonny Flynn lmao
Now Wiggs and their 7th pick that turned into Kuminga
Ricky Rubio is understandable. Who is jonny flynn? Lol
@@ardtob exactly 🤣
To be fair.
Rubio was scouted as the Next Pistol Pete and Flynn was a superstar in college.
Too bad they did not unlock their real game.
When a mid-major player has a legendary NCAA Tournament run, you have to take them seriously as a draft prospect. It takes something special to carry a team of lower talent against the NCAA juggernauts. Respect to Bird, Hakeem, Clyde, Curry, CJ and Ja for their legendary college performances.
You claiming phi-slamma jamma with h
Hakeem and Drexler was a mid major??? Other than that you're right.
Don't forget DWade
@@jw3638 he was a star in college bruh
@@nolanarmstrong2458 That's my point
@@jw3638 Wade went to Marquette not a mid major.
i can't imagine how negative Knicks would do to Curry's career.....so glad that did not happen...
Remember Warriors had garbage ownership around this time we’re trash for almost a decade since 1993. Things changed when new ownership came in 2011-2012. So at the time he wasn’t so lucky. Things changed when new ownership came. The Knicks need new ownership or the NBA should get involved and move Dolan out. It’s sad Knicks haven’t been winners since at least 2000. Same thing in Toronto it was bad management and terrible leadership from MLSE until new leadership came. Allot of these teams are bad because of poor leadership inside the ownership. Same thing in Seattle when the Starbucks guy brought the Sonics in 2001 everything went to hell.
As a knick fan , I think about this everytime the draft comes around . When Minnesota passed on him I got excited he might actually fall into our laps , too bad the front office was that naive as well . Pretty sure Monta Ellis was on golden state so if you swapped picks and gave them a future 1st that prolly would have done it .
Everybody thinking he was too small too skinny not athlethic enough overlooking hes pure talent and skills that is already displayed in davidson. Kudos to warriors talent scouts eagle eye 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Knicks management and coaching would not have had the vision to let Curry take 3s at will.
Curry along with Klay under Mark Jackson revolutionized offense by spreading the floor just to take a 3 a good majority of the time.
Absolutely no way would the Knicks who kill everyone's career would have had the vision to create an offense for Curry to flourish.
Jeremy Lin is the example. They will prefer diva like Carmelo than develop young guys
Mark Jackson did not spread the floor when he was there. Mark Jackson implanted a tough defensive mindset to the team.
Mark Jackson had Steph taking long twos and play a more traditional PG. He was running big man post up/iso to Harrison Barnes and David Lee.
It was Steve Kerr that redesigned the offense to let draymond playmake and run curry off ball. He also implanted a pass heavy offense.
Yep, so true
When you mentioned “spreading” you made my mouth water. 🤸
@@DoesRocksFloat That's true I forgot about David Lee who was an all star in that system.
Yes Steve Kerr designed an offense to take Curry to the next level.
Mark Jackson should get credit those teams consistently made the playoffs.
You know even if the Knicks drafted curry they would of ruined him or traded him in a heartbeat
Thank you Timberwolves for not drafting S' Curry in 2009 NBA draft.
This really should be a video about Minnesota. They had the two picks directly before he was drafted...and they took 2 POINT GUARDS over him!
Exactly, they are the one who shot themselves in the foot.
Curry's dad told the Minnesota management that they dont like to play there.
Minnesota…you da real MVP!!
Let's face it. The only thing that screw the Knicks are the Knicks themselves
😂
Well dolan screwed the knick, if that ever counts as knicks screwing knicks.
@@lk5388 Phil Jackson screwed the Knicks harder than anybody.
“We’re gonna draft two foreign project players that don’t project well and put them next to the aging star Carmelo Anthony”
@@coreyhansen9711 Porzingis was good for the Knicks though, the Knicks pissed him off and he left then became bad
@@olsmellyknuckles9653 His career went south because of injury.
Bro dropped his first 50 on the knicks and broke the 3pt record on the knicks😭. I’d be fed up if I were the knicks
The warriors were dog poop for years and years and years before Steph. Maybe the greatest pickup and turn-around ever.
In behalf of the Warriors organization and fans, we would like to thank the Timberwolves for passing Curry TWICE. And for giving us Wiggins and Kuminga 😘😘😘
Hindsight is 20/20, ofcourse the Minnesota Timberwolves did not know that both Steph Curry and Andrew Wiggins would be all Star candidates.
Knicks are easily the most overrated team in the league of all time. The knicks are literally one of those pioneer teams in the nba where almost every player wants to go but the number of chips they won in that time can literally be counted in one hand. Sad to see one of the most passionate fanbase have this shitty team.
They are also a toxic fan base that will turn on their own players
@@Eric42000 so does every fan base. Go to any fan community chat and you’ll find a fan trashing a team player.
I've seen more highlights of Knicks fans booing their own team/players than any other team. But I agree it's happened with other teams too
@@liferealgood nah there’s levels to it. 76ers and Boston are the top level of toxic fans with Knicks, Lakers and maybe Suns at the 2nd level. Rest of the league is average levels of toxicity.
@@olsmellyknuckles9653 those are probably some of the bigger fan bases so yea you would probably see more toxicity because you would see a bigger representation. I can’t remember/recall ever once seeing a Kings fan being toxic because I hardly see one but I know they exist.
From a lifelong Warriors fan, you need to include the fact that Golden State had a trade set up in place with the Phoenix Suns to move the #7 pick to them ONLY if Stephen Curry wasn't still available. The Suns were convinced that they were getting Steph Curry on draft night, but Don Nelson was a key Curry supporter. So it really goes: Steph is a Warrior, or Steph is a Phoenix Sun, but either way Steph Curry doesn't make it to the #8 pick.
As a knick fan this shit still hurt i remember watching the draft and hearing him say he wanted to be a knick just for Don nelson to do us greasy.
If anything the Timberwolves are the ones down bad. They selected 2 PG's before Curry.
The world stayed in balance, and the Knicks continued to be the most dramatic franchise in NBA history.
The Kings will always be worse though.
Very well done, bro
Even if the Knicks were to have drafted him, the front office is so incompetent he likely would've asked for a trade a few years down the line.
Not to mention that curry's breakthrough game was in Newyork and the rest was history.. dubs in 6
He was meant to be a Knick I’m telling you it’s no other way and guess who was a free agent the following summer who became his biggest rival … they would’ve been onna same team
You must be from the future Ryan.... see you at the parade
@@taydafranklin7800 Hahaha,I wish I could fly 500 miles🤣🤣🤣
Knicks skipped on Derozan as well who went 9th.
Larry Riley should also get PROPS. Curry never worked out at GSW but he still drafted him. Bay legend
as a knicks fan i can guarantee that we would’ve traded steph a few years later bc of his ankle issues. probably would’ve ended up in the Melo trade tbh
Somebody send a link to Stephen A Smith lmao
Videos like this make me wish I could see the dislikes so I could see how many knicks fans watch this channel
230 likes, 5 dislikes. There's a nice plug-in for Chrome which enables the dislikes again
@@TheMarslMcFly thank you sir
excellent reporting!
Great vid
If Steph in Knicks
"They do have the timeout, decide not to use it. Curry, way downtown...BA..!! No, Melo demand the ball, Curry pass it to him. Carmelo goes Iso. Anthony way downtown... AIRBALL!!!"
Exactly
Or even better, Melo demands he be traded just like Linsanity.
History is such a fine maestro!
the greatest thing about the Knicks are their fans
Curry became the man he was because of Golden State, this theory credits NYK with too much good player development, which we know they don't have.
This video should be called how bad the Knicks so for 20 years lmao 🤣
During Steph Curry's rookie season Don Nelson gave Curry a dressed DNP during their only game at MSG that year
well made video..
👏🏻👏🏻
This is a well made video.
Thank you, Minnesota. Thank you for passing on Steph and then later on trading Wiggs to the Bay Area...and also for Kuminga.
Even the jerseys Warriors wore, that 3 point record night, looked very similar to a Knicks jersey. Its almost as though reality frequently taunts New York fans.
Knicks would not have had the patience for his injuries; they probably would've traded him by 2011 or 2012, and considering he went to superstar status by 2013...
I am a San Francisco Native. I suffered for over 50 years. I finally did get to see my SF Giants win a World Series. You NY fans have your Yankees. I also have my Niners with 5 Superbowl Trophies. Like the ol’e saying goes, “You Can’t win them all”.
Do you really think that Curry would have improved the Knicks fortunes? Management would likely have thrown him away following an ankle injury or failed to provide him with a point forward and fellow splash brother, both of which helped Steph move from outstanding to transcendent. The Knicks are neither strategic nor patient enough to know how to utilize an asset like Curry
Dell Curry made it clear to Nelson that they didn't want the Warriors to select Steph. Nelson's response to Dell was the Warriors are picking Steph if he's available. The Curry's wanted Steph to go to NY, but Nelson wanted Steph regardless.
Thank you Don Nelson, as a Warriors fan 👏.
Damn, your facts and stats for Steph Curry having more championships,MVP’s, and playoff wins than the entire Knicks organization in team history!! That is all very “sobering”, but we Knicks faithful are going to keep believing year in and year out………….!!
It's funny how everyone always makes fun of teams that miss out on super star talent in the draft. Almost as if we can see the future and know 🤦 it's just a gamble. If we could all the see the future life would suck.
damn i wish we would've gotten Steph but who knows if he did come to NYC he may not have ever shined or if he did he probably wouldn't have shined as brightly and having Curry nowhere near guarantees we would've gotten a ring...i remember going to the garden in the 90s when i was a pre teen i had my fingers crossed we'd get one by the end of the decade..with numerous star players coming to NYC and still not getting us anywhere near a ring now I'm just hoping I'll see them win before i die
all they had to do was make a phone call to the 'Wolves: "...... hello, Minny, let's make a deal......."
Warriors didn't "screw" Knicks. Knicks are forever screwed as long as Dolan is in charge. As a Mets fan, the Wilpons screwed that team for years, as long as the Wilpons owned them. Unless there's a Steve Cohen version for the Knicks, they'll be forever screwed. Also, Curry's career wouldn't have been the same with the Knicks. All NBA fans should be thankful for that. That's coming from a Knicks fan. It's reality.
Dolan and his daddy are the absolute worst thing for Knicks and the culture of basketball in general it's seems they don't even remotely care it's all about money to them.
The league was already perimeter-dominated prior to Curry joining the league and before the Warriors rise to elite status.
The rule changes to the league several years prior absolutely made sure of it.
...And the T-Wolves.🤣
I get why they drafted Rubio at #5 at the time, but they could have snagged Curry for the next pick.
Just imagine a trio of Rubio, Curry, and K-Love. That could have been an offensive powerhouse team with great playmaking.
nice vid bro
He also became the All Time 3pt Leader against the Knicks. Talk about pouring salt in the wound.
really always feel bad for NY Knicks fans because of this, what's even worse was Mike D'Antoni was in favor of building an offense that focused on Curry's shooting which was way ahead of its time. IMO if the Knicks draft Curry Curry becomes a superstar much sooner then he did on the Warriors just because the Warriors during those first few years had to make a choice to either focus the team on Curry or Monte Ellis.
Look at the knicks being the knicks
Yep.... 92,93,94 basketball games at the Oakland coliseum games used to be only 2 dollars and we the used to walk to Hegenburger to the movie theater across 880 freeway when it was still there....C. Gatling, V Martinez, T. Hill, T Hardaway, C, Mullin, M, Richmond... now Damn nose bleed at Chase during regular season is 200ish.... but 2022 again a Champion....
Funny thing is curry said in a interview on all the smoke that he thought he was going to the knicks
I always laugh at the footage of Steph and Dell the moment they announced the pick. They both looked so disappointed lol
Let’s be honest - Knicks never drafted well the last 10+ years, except for KP whom is a pretty good player but thinks he’s the unicorn. If Curry landed with the Knicks, he would’ve been traded away for Amir and or Melo or others. With the new ownership who focuses on players development, the Warriors has been making brilliant trades and drafted well. Curry has made his name not only by himself but also with Klay, Green, Jackson before Kerr arrived whom had even made the team better.
Really hope Mark Jackson gets to coach again.
Netflix's movie "Hustle" is like a parallel autobiography of SC30. Movie was fresh and so does this video.
I'm not a basketball fan but this is a good video.
So crazy, how they slept on Curry waiting for the 8th pick, when they could have selected him as the 5th or 6th pick. lol...
Good information. While Curry would make any team better, there's no guarantee that Knick fans would have seen titles with him. The Warriors have done a brilliant job of building a team around his talents, and drafting for chemistry and balance, with Green, Thompson so many different players coming in and out of that alignment over the last 8 years.
Great leadership, coaching and of course Steph Curry's brilliant game, and team first mentality, combined to create one of the most successful runs in NBA history.
This guy roasting the NYK like they skipped Curry on the draft night. As you mentioned, they also want him. It's so happened that he's been drafted by GSW
Curry was balling in class an professed from 97 summer when the mic was cut off from Notorious B.I.G. East vs. West. Tupac...lol he's so so def....
The Knick still could've drafted DeRozan but drafted Hill instead.
🤦🏾♂️ 😂
you're wrong about Curry being seen as a wiry guard with bad ankles. he didn't even have any injuries, ankle or otherwise before his second year in the league.
It’s always fun to think of what if… but a lot of the time what made someone who they were was the team AND situation they fell into. Many people who flaired out in the league could’ve been far more if they started elsewhere. Same for stars who were great. They could’ve been nothing if they were in a different system. Plus location and outside issues, which NY is full of. The list of possible reasons for success or failure is huge. We’ll never know for sure but it’s been obvious that NYK is usually a poor fit for most basketball players. Had Curry started there he probably would’ve never became what he did
The Rubio pick was a good one for the Wolves at that time. Rubio's Performance at the Olympics was hyped.
Rubio is a BUST. They compared him to Nash. not even close.
@Confessions Of A Movie Freak : Yes, he was a bust
@Confessions Of A Movie Freak He was a Bust. He never learned to shoot. A Vastly overrated passer as well. You see how dramatically the suns changed when they got rid of him and brought a real point guard in Chris Paul?
But the Flynn one?
Yikes
Am I the only one who got tears after watching this?
Every knicks draft fuck up is a gift to the basketball world
NyK could have drafted Giannis and Halliburton and a few other important players to put together normal teams winning teams. I cannot blame it on one Stephen Curry,. If a franchise is cursed the best player gets injured anyway.
Curry dropping his all time 3 point record on knicks Arena break all the hearts of knicks fan lol.
It reminds me of when MJ came back from his 1st retirement and dropped The Double Nickel on the the Knicks. MSG is THE venue for legendary performances…at the Knicks’ expense! 😂
Minnesota gave the Dubs Curry and more recently, Wiggins and Kuminga (TBD - but a freak athlete as well). TWolves, so generous
Curry would not have become curry if drafted to NY or MN.
that's not true at all , you're forgetting there was almost a moment the Warriors fumbled the bag and would have built around Monta Ellis because of Curry's constant Ankle issues. Meanwhile NY was already heading towards a shooting favored system whichMike D'Antoni was in favor of. It was just badluck for NY, if they get Curry the Knicks never make the horrible trade for Carmelo and the franchise is changed forver.
@@RuskiVodkaaaa yeah you got a decent argument there. I'd forgotten about D,Antoni .
@@19eightyforeisnow and don't forget Warriors back then had a bad ownership team - as in one of the worst in the league in the last 2 decades
Noway...I could've been a Knicks fan!?;)
if a prospect is "too dependent on 3 point shooting" now i bet he's gonna be a top 5 pick in the next draft
Most teams are looking for 6-10 to 7Footer +++ dominant players. They overlooked that shooting 3's are better than driving in the paint for 2 points but consumed more energy.
New York, this is for you!!!!
*Drops a 50*
The real Knicks fans, would study this one video, 24/7/365/Decades. It's all about chronic pain, bad choices, and bad attitude.
After the NBA finals
Now it's more painful for the knicks 😂😂😂
Broke record vs knicks first 50 point game vs knicks his head coach who fully unleashed what curry is capable of spurned the knicks to coach gsw lol tbh it worked out perfect idk if curry would be as great as he is now if he went to knicks
would of been totally different because its the GSW trainers/coach/organization that helped Curry become what he has been.The Knicks might not have done that and stuck by him during all those injuries in the beginning and given up on him which the gsw didnt do they stuck by him and kept training etc and it paid off.