Slow pushing is news to me and I find that very effective to force the enemy team to have -1 member for teamfights. The only downside I can think of about this strategy is if your team is unable to take objectives or get kills, especially when late game heroes from the enemy team manages to clear the lane you slow pushed on which results to them getting their core items much faster.
Actually youll only use that strat before lord dance. To set up a possible minion push right after killing the lord. So even if you lose in lord dance theyll be able to buy you time to respawn or take down 1turret.
I’ve known all these strats except the slow pushing one, cuz in my mind I don’t really like wasting the siege minions cuz they’re the most valuable xD probably near end-mid to late game is best to do this strategy where teamfights are more prevalent
Additional tips: Minion Hold - This applies when the damage dealer in your team dies or is late in arriving in his lane, try to hold the enemy minions outside the range of your tower so that your damage dealers can still get the gold and exp from that minion wave. (Remember, your damage dealers have the priority in Gold and Exp in order to scale. Without them, you'll lack damage in team fights, so be sure to prioritize giving the resources to them) Another application of cutting the minions - When the enemy team tries to push a lane, you can cut the minion waves in order to prevent or delay that push. It is much safer if you do this with a hero that has high mobility. This usually happens when the enemy team got the Lord and they try to push the towers all the way to your base. Try to cut the minions and escape. (Remember, it is difficult to push a tower without minions. So this is vital.) Use the minions to block skills - there are certain skills that can't go through minions. Use this as an advantage against your enemy. For example, an enemy franco is hiding in the bush in your lane. Use the minions to block the hook.
@@whoasked3677imo, minions still reduces valir cooldown, so it's better to bait his skil at safe distancel and dodge, so the skill passive goes completely ineffective
Slow Pushing is one of the strategies I often do, it's not actually slow but it delays the minion wave to stack and win your minion wave against the lane. And also I learned that Lord spawns together with minion wave hahahaha. Shout out po
Actually it's called slow pushing cuz the name originated from the League of Legends community. They slow push for the same reason as we do on ML but the way they do it is different, which is by only last hitting the minions. The minion timings in both lol and ml are different so the slow push methods are different.
Maybe i would like to add 1 more as a roamer main, maybe i call it "Saving Minion" so, its just freezing the enemy minion with intention so that your gold lane ally did actually get the gold and exp from the minion, especially the siege minion, it can be used when the gold lane dies or recall. This act usually done near tower since you are very vurnerable and you can let go of the minion once your teammate is near, also making them clear it faster with the help of turret
And faramis. And saber dash with first skill on. And any hero with heal. Or any splash hero, that damaging both you AND minions and beating resources out of you while clearing wave. Etc. He told us the principles, not exact tactic
Other tip for match making is the roam/support counter pick Heal supports>"strong against" > poke supports >strng agnst> enchanter/ tank support >strng agnst> burst supports> strng agnst> heal support.... But this it still depends on your team lineup
@@waleedabdullahkhan5706 example is when enemy picks diggie (poke/throws skills repeatedly) one good counter is to pick a healer (like estes to recover lost hp), and if the enemy picked estes(healer) you can pick saber(burst) for example) to instantly kill the healer.... while burst roamer can't instantly kill tanky supports
Natan I've found is quite good at lane freezing because you can constantly force the enemy back with his 2nd skill, you can also prevent minions pushing your tower with his 2nd skill by pushing back, and if enemies try to get aggressive you can force the enemy minions out of the turret just as they come within its range and it'll cause the tower to fire at your counterpart briefly forcing them back
Also Yu Zhong can either Heal with Skill 1 on minions, or Stack Skill 2, making it more dangerous for the enemy (Full Passive Stack on Impact or Activate Second phase of his Skill 2 in order to chase Enemy easily!
*Clint & moskov's passives also work on minions so I'd recommend not standing close to your minions or wall against them* last hit your minions specially in gold lane *pay attention to map or the junglers gold if you can. because you can tell what buff he started with in the first 50 seconds of the match if you watch his gold but don't get to focused on it* *ask for help or play very safe if you're being camped by enemy mage or tank. same if you're lane is freezed poke as much as you can and ask for help so they become an easy gank.*
There are some things that are new to me such as that blocking with grock wall in the early game, slow pushing and the minion timer. Thank you for this. This definitely will help.
I think the grock wall strat can also be applied to some of his early tips like it prevents the enemy minion from sieging yours or meeting your ally minions.
as a solo queue player I never give my strategies a name😅 . Good video btw I hope all players will learn about this. but remember don't just focus on farming , teamwork is a must . don't just farming and watching nearby teamfight . Help our team.
When in late game as a tank/support i always make myself become a target from the turret so the marksman can push the tower safely with the minion , this is for late game when the minion is far away
Another i want to mention is that when you are exp lane and using jawhead you can use second skill on siege minion to Your own tower back right at the time when enemies minion launch their attack while your siege minion is last hit.This make your enemy cannot get the exp from the siege minion
When I'm playing with my brothers, we are doing the lord freeze strat were we delay our lord from going to enemy by not killing the minions in it's path, in this way the next minion wave will still be the bigger minions that we can use to our advantage to easily end the game at late game or destroying a tower.❤
As an exp laner I only use 2 strategies at most and that is the freeze lane and slow push but that doesn't mean I don't use other strategy it's like those are options and those 2 are just my bread and butter.
When laning, when enemy also try to last hit minion, wait for the minion to get low and then start attacking them with skills. If u are stronger zone them but if you are weaker drop your skills and go. This can cause the enemy to not last hit their minion or you to at least win the hop trade.
im occasionaly play ixia and for me as an ixia player. having minion while your lane up to 3 enemies ganking you early game. If you have your ult, dont hesitate using your ult early doors because it can really help you clear out lanes and also getting health from minions and at least you can slow their push towards your tower.
They forgot to mention that hanabi is also really strong when there are minions due to her passive that bounces each time she does a basic attack, one trick to avoid this is to maintain a safe distance from your own minion wave in the laning phase
There's another way just be on the opposing minion while hitting her i usually use brody for this. Doing this is risky since this can easily lead to being ganked. Which it happened more then I'd like
3:30 Slow Pushing was always utilized by M5 Champ Finals MVP Flaptzy. I always wondered why he kept on leaving the big minion since it has the biggest gold until Wolf pointed its purpose out. This information is very important for me as an exp laner. Thanks Elgin!
2 more minnion tips 1. Roamers can help 'freezing' the lane if the gold/mid/exp laner died near thm, to help secure gold n exp 2. Last hitting gives extra gold , no matter which strategy ur using, always time ur basic atk to last hit (mistake on Elgin's part whn he's showing freezing lanes)
Minion mixing: As a Jungler in the early game after I take both buffs and the bear and lizard creep (Idk the name) I go to exp and kill the siege minion to get bonus exp aswell ganking the enemy exp, Then I'll take the insect thing in exp, After that I'll gank enemy marksman and kill the siege, I'll do it repeatedly until my buff respawns or if the siege minions isn't carrying the gold coins/Exp scrolls on their back, After my buff respawns I'll gank Mid lane after I kill purple buff then I'll go red. Minion Targeting: As a roamer like tig can get enemy minions to attack him while the allied minions push, If an allied player arrives you can kill the minions giving them rescource while the allied minions push.
One more addition is managing the minion waves when the opponent has the lord. Freezing some lanes so that the lord wont be in sync with the minion waves is also a crucial strategy to prevent high ground from collapsing
You forgot to mention most noob junglers minion strategy " Clear minions waves without the teammates guarding the lane as fast as possible so they don't get gold or exp "
I personally found out about slow pushing from playing wild rift as wave management was an integral part to ranking up in that game. Been using it in ML to divide enemies in lord fights
here are more heroes you shouldn't fight with minions: Hanabi- can gete free hits on you even when you are far And and is a disadvantage when you 1v1 her bc of her ricochet passive Silvanna - with her ulti and 2nd skill combo, her spell vamp increases so she heals more with minions Dyrroth - he gets more of his passive and health with lifesteal build Khaleed,balmond,yu zhong, terizla - same with ruby and alpha shown in the video (only when he has lifesteal build) Alice and thamuz - with their ulti will gain massive hp Odette - same with hanabi with her passive Selena - inf dashes Bruno - same with hanabi with his ult Moskov - same with hanabi but instead of ricochet, his hits can pierce with the minions and gain him some health when he has lifesteal Layla and Melissa - they can freehit you because of their skill 1s and layla with her passive due to her skill one grants her the ability to have morr range when you are clearing minion waves Beatrix - she can use renner like layla and melissa Belerick and gatot - basically a free passive farm (will work more with lord buffed and enhanced minions)
Midlane, when you are ahead and their midlaner goes back to lane when turtle is almost up, dont clear wave and show yourself in the map. You just wait for their midlaner, to go back and burst out their hp with your skills(no need to commit and kill or use your ult), so they have one less person helping in objective. If they don't go back even with low hp, that midlaner is free to kill after your skill cooldown ends. (But you can only do this if the midlaner doesn't know your position. So, after bursting them the first time, you must back away immediately and go to a different hiding position to where they are most likely to go.
i learned almost half of these just from seeing my enemy using them and i also started using them, you don't have to resort to yt, just see how and why the enemy defeated you (regardless of shitty teammates or none of your teammates ganking your lane while the enemy team is somewhat always ganking your lane)
I do all of this strategy except for grock block, however the slow push strategy are the one I didn't do because of gold advantages.. But I gonna do it alot after listening to your explanation, it's seem OP.. 😂
One thing i like to do with lord is to let it clear waves so its up longer and creates more stronger waves u can get mainly 3 strong waves and 4 if u really prevent the enemy from killing lord
*My best strategy is basketball style. Make sure that my teammates distracts the enemy heroes to gather while I push lane. That way, I can push lane without enemy hero appeared on my lane. Use teamfight for distracting enemy heroes but don’t ever overuse it.*
There's also the Gord strategy: Throw your 2nd and 1st on the minion wave and go for the gank. Its a Shove + near zero map presence. Just gonna need to time it right of course.
5:40 that's what everyone should do in the late game lord push. Usually the enemy will use their lane clearing skills & ults to destroy the lord. Then the other two super waves will march in giving you 2nd attempt to end the game.
As a fighter main, I know all this, and more techniques beyond this. There are times that I am assigned to be the MM, and I never liked being guarded by our roamer, especially if the roamer is touching my minions or hiding in the *safe bush* instead of the *danger bush.* Roamers that hides in the *safe bush* are useless.
I just found out the v2 of freezing lane and it is very helpful i tried it while using zilong against an alpha user and it helped out a lot in early even while getting ganked
Another tips: Slow Lord : this is when you get the lord BUT dont clear the Lane where the Lord went to. Since the Lord turns the minion into enhanced minions. So if your team doesnt clear the Lord's lane essentially you'll have 2 wave of enhanced minions (simultaneously) instead of 1 by 1. (NOTE: It only Works for top and bottom lane, tho it can actually works for midlane if the enemy didn't kill the Lord fast enough.)
As a midlaner, slow pushing never really occured to me to do because I have to shove the minion wave asap to be able to roam to the side lanes and gank.
I would mention lancelot in the heroes and minions, since his passive and first skill can be fully utilized with more targets. If my team lancelot is ready to attack, i wanna make sure theres minions for him so i wont clear it before teamfights.
In case you have a teammate dead after getting the lord, depending on the respawn timer don't clear the wave the lord is in so that you can have a 5 person teamfight with the lord.
For the last one add Hanabi cause it increases her range sometimes Atleast either be on the enemy side of the minion or just snipe the low hp minion while she clear it and try to avoid the bounce
(exp lane) If u want to push the enemy tower while their dead but the minions are far away, u can do this strategy by lane cutting, by rotating between the towers and wait for the minons and kill them. This way u can push the tower with ease
2:00 this is not freeze lane, this is minion zoning. U push the enemy away from ur minion so they can get gold or exp. different from freeze lane where u let enemy kill ur minion, enemy minion will push the lane, and u stop the enemy minion before they get hit by ur tower. Why u do freeze lane? Because it will force ur enemy to come closer to ur side to get gold and exp, make it easier for ur jungler to gank the enemy in ur lane
Freeze lane is also called gap your opponent in lane you will not hit the enemy minions and be aggressive to your lane opponent until the hero goes to own turret similar to bullying a aldous lvl 1
Im the fan of freezing lane method 2, method 1 is too risky in my opinion, they can gank you easily cause you are too far from the save zone (turret) method 2 is very save and my team can easily gank cause of they are focusing on the minion beside they are far away from their turret if they try to take their minion.
And also you should add freezing lanes at late game when you have a higher amount of gold than the enemies, forcing them to come out of the base to clear rather than waiting near their base.
I have seen this kinda strategy like all the time except delay minions tactics I might meet such a condition but I didn't. notice as well thanks man alsi I feels like there's more push tactics you intentionally left for some reasons.
This is an obvious tip but when there's a chance always Destroy the last turret and Never let the enemy Destroy yours. The reason being is that because of the Minions buff it's just more h3ll to defend not to mention even if you have the lord it can have a hard time dealing with Enhanced minions so never let them break the base turrets no matter what and besides if you break theirs then you have insurance to have at least the built up minions on the strategies here.
not very optimal, but you can actually use the beetle camps to freeze lane behind tower. i've never actually seen anyone do this but you can freeze pretty effectively with it
My team always uses an imba strat which is called Power Creeps. Basically they play with zero map awareness just like regular creeps. All they see is their lane, they dont help with objectives, and dont even bother going back to base when low in hp(just like regular creeps oh yeah). And they just die like regular creeps, throwing themselves to the enemy 1 vs 5. They only use their skills to ks, their ult is saved so they can use it next game.
Correction, minion waves spawn at :11 and :41. It used to be :10 and :40. Each minion spawns every second, the first one appears at :11/41, second one at :12/42, third one at :13/43. Lord will spawn after the last minion, so it will spawn at :14/44. Additionally, it takes around 15s for mid minions to reach mid of the map, 20s for side lanes. Minion waves spawns every 30s, use this knowledge to gain advantage.
4:23 shouldn't it be every 10 and 40 seconds of each minute? also i think slow pushing is best used 3 to 4 waves before you do lord dance on the opposite lane. you'll have a good amount of minions on the opposing lane when lord dance comes.
if u head straight to the area between the enemy 3rd and 2nd turret, u can intercept the enemy minion wave before they meet yours, alot of chou players do this
I saw a video by fuego about the triple siege minions when you destroy all of the towers in mid lane before 5 mins. Mark My friends and i tried this (5 man mid only) and it was quite hard to do took us 4 mins before we destroyed all the towers in mid but it works
Lane cutting p3 In the early game the roamer zones out the mid lanner from getting the first wave. This will delay resources and level 2. Instead of helping your Jungler, hide in the mid bush, then assault your prey and boom. The trick is, pressure the enemy mid laner to the jungle or a distance away from his/her minion wave Although I can only work on a handful of mid laners i.e Gusion, Eudora Luo Yi(careful not to trigger her YinYan), Phasa (as long as they have the ability to clear their waves at a close distrant or takes longer to clear their waves it all good While characters like gord, Xavier,Vexana , Lilia e.t.c can clear their waves thanks to their passive and whatnot. For Cecilion it can be a hit or miss tho For the romers, it can be tig(with his s2), Hilda, Lolita, Camila, khufra Also note I've tried this by chance a couple of times and even I haven't mastered it yet. For now it's a theory
The problem is my enemies are watching this and my allies are not lol
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Slow pushing is news to me and I find that very effective to force the enemy team to have -1 member for teamfights. The only downside I can think of about this strategy is if your team is unable to take objectives or get kills, especially when late game heroes from the enemy team manages to clear the lane you slow pushed on which results to them getting their core items much faster.
Yes, if you don’t time the slow push well, instead of creating pressure, it just gives them free gold and denies your team from gold
Actually youll only use that strat before lord dance. To set up a possible minion push right after killing the lord. So even if you lose in lord dance theyll be able to buy you time to respawn or take down 1turret.
I've seen this in the pro League....most common team I often watched for strategy was BL....but that was before when Veewise was still there....
I’ve known all these strats except the slow pushing one, cuz in my mind I don’t really like wasting the siege minions cuz they’re the most valuable xD probably near end-mid to late game is best to do this strategy where teamfights are more prevalent
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am a big fan btw :3
But this strategy is really useful in 5 men and during lord dance. But yeah this sucks in solo q because you rarely see lord dance in solo q.
You can use that strat more effective in late game, glad I notice you Idol shout out
Wait does the seige actually give more xp/gold? How much is it?
Additional tips:
Minion Hold - This applies when the damage dealer in your team dies or is late in arriving in his lane, try to hold the enemy minions outside the range of your tower so that your damage dealers can still get the gold and exp from that minion wave. (Remember, your damage dealers have the priority in Gold and Exp in order to scale. Without them, you'll lack damage in team fights, so be sure to prioritize giving the resources to them)
Another application of cutting the minions - When the enemy team tries to push a lane, you can cut the minion waves in order to prevent or delay that push. It is much safer if you do this with a hero that has high mobility. This usually happens when the enemy team got the Lord and they try to push the towers all the way to your base. Try to cut the minions and escape. (Remember, it is difficult to push a tower without minions. So this is vital.)
Use the minions to block skills - there are certain skills that can't go through minions. Use this as an advantage against your enemy. For example, an enemy franco is hiding in the bush in your lane. Use the minions to block the hook.
Minion wall strat examples:
Flameshot
Franco hook
Granger
Baxia Wheel
Valir
I just need to be more precise at using Franco's 1st skill😅
Lost so many battles but MVP to most of them
Another tip: Yeet the damn minion as Jawhead
@@whoasked3677except flameshot can go through minions. It's the jungle creeps that can block the flameshot.
@@whoasked3677imo, minions still reduces valir cooldown, so it's better to bait his skil at safe distancel and dodge, so the skill passive goes completely ineffective
Will my allies ever watch this vid
Nuh uh
For sure not
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your enemies will watch this video
Nuh
Finally, someone mentioned slow pushing. I tried to tell my teammates about this, but they called me noobs. Well, it's solo que. What should I expect?
Slow Pushing is one of the strategies I often do, it's not actually slow but it delays the minion wave to stack and win your minion wave against the lane. And also I learned that Lord spawns together with minion wave hahahaha. Shout out po
Actually it's called slow pushing cuz the name originated from the League of Legends community. They slow push for the same reason as we do on ML but the way they do it is different, which is by only last hitting the minions. The minion timings in both lol and ml are different so the slow push methods are different.
Maybe i would like to add 1 more as a roamer main, maybe i call it "Saving Minion" so, its just freezing the enemy minion with intention so that your gold lane ally did actually get the gold and exp from the minion, especially the siege minion, it can be used when the gold lane dies or recall. This act usually done near tower since you are very vurnerable and you can let go of the minion once your teammate is near, also making them clear it faster with the help of turret
also a roamer main here. I also do this especially when they still are not done getting other objectives
He forgot to mention luo yi at the end cuz her first skill splashes with the opponents behind them
@@gonez.r yeah its really essential as a luo yi main as it allows you to hit the enemies very easily and even when they are decently far away
Xavier too. His 1 extends its range when hitting any target o passing through his 2
Hanabi too
And faramis. And saber dash with first skill on. And any hero with heal. Or any splash hero, that damaging both you AND minions and beating resources out of you while clearing wave. Etc. He told us the principles, not exact tactic
Lancelot‘s and joy‘s dashes too
Other tip for match making is the roam/support counter pick
Heal supports>"strong against" > poke supports >strng agnst> enchanter/ tank support >strng agnst> burst supports> strng agnst> heal support....
But this it still depends on your team lineup
I am dumb please explain clearly
@@waleedabdullahkhan5706 example is when enemy picks diggie (poke/throws skills repeatedly) one good counter is to pick a healer (like estes to recover lost hp), and if the enemy picked estes(healer) you can pick saber(burst) for example) to instantly kill the healer.... while burst roamer can't instantly kill tanky supports
It's like pokemon type weakness but with supports
Nice tip. You gave me some ideas, thanks bro
My dumbass misread it and think is 9 million strategies💀
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5:39
My teammates: "nah bro just push it on the middle and done"
*Enemy savage*
I had win streak using this, thank youuu😊
I thought he said 9 million 0:03 💀💀
Where do you even get 9 million ml strategies 💀 ☠️
It sound like 1 million
My dumbass read the Title as ' Nine Months strategy'💀
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Are u commenting because u did so?
@@sabintiwari342 yeah. What happened?
Elgin can you flex those biceps for us?
Natan I've found is quite good at lane freezing because you can constantly force the enemy back with his 2nd skill, you can also prevent minions pushing your tower with his 2nd skill by pushing back, and if enemies try to get aggressive you can force the enemy minions out of the turret just as they come within its range and it'll cause the tower to fire at your counterpart briefly forcing them back
Bro Elgin got surprisingly jacked 💪🏽
Keep up the good work
Also Yu Zhong can either Heal with Skill 1 on minions, or Stack Skill 2, making it more dangerous for the enemy (Full Passive Stack on Impact or Activate Second phase of his Skill 2 in order to chase Enemy easily!
*Clint & moskov's passives also work on minions so I'd recommend not standing close to your minions or wall against them*
last hit your minions specially in gold lane
*pay attention to map or the junglers gold if you can. because you can tell what buff he started with in the first 50 seconds of the match if you watch his gold but don't get to focused on it*
*ask for help or play very safe if you're being camped by enemy mage or tank. same if you're lane is freezed poke as much as you can and ask for help so they become an easy gank.*
There are some things that are new to me such as that blocking with grock wall in the early game, slow pushing and the minion timer. Thank you for this. This definitely will help.
I think the grock wall strat can also be applied to some of his early tips like it prevents the enemy minion from sieging yours or meeting your ally minions.
This is an old strat but u kinda need to be good with grock first.
This is just the video i needed after feeling stuck and not being able to effectively end the game with a lead in early
This is actually really useful! Thank you bro! Cheers! 🥂
Thank you it was helpful i knew most of these strategies but the one I did not know was how to build up huge pushes
as a solo queue player I never give my strategies a name😅 . Good video btw I hope all players will learn about this. but remember don't just focus on farming , teamwork is a must . don't just farming and watching nearby teamfight . Help our team.
When in late game as a tank/support i always make myself become a target from the turret so the marksman can push the tower safely with the minion , this is for late game when the minion is far away
Another i want to mention is that when you are exp lane and using jawhead you can use second skill on siege minion to Your own tower back right at the time when enemies minion launch their attack while your siege minion is last hit.This make your enemy cannot get the exp from the siege minion
It's a good thing that these important lane strategies are being taught, especially the lane freezing.
When I'm playing with my brothers, we are doing the lord freeze strat were we delay our lord from going to enemy by not killing the minions in it's path, in this way the next minion wave will still be the bigger minions that we can use to our advantage to easily end the game at late game or destroying a tower.❤
Yea, idk why it's not mentioned, cuz it's very strong tactic
bro looking buff keep it up king👑
Ikr I didn’t expect Elgin to look so beefed up 🔥
As an exp laner I only use 2 strategies at most and that is the freeze lane and slow push but that doesn't mean I don't use other strategy it's like those are options and those 2 are just my bread and butter.
When laning, when enemy also try to last hit minion, wait for the minion to get low and then start attacking them with skills. If u are stronger zone them but if you are weaker drop your skills and go. This can cause the enemy to not last hit their minion or you to at least win the hop trade.
As an argus main, i am pretty satisfied with this. ❤❤❤
Now, that's what we've been waiting for. This tutorial is game changer. I feel so noob now.
im occasionaly play ixia and for me as an ixia player. having minion while your lane up to 3 enemies ganking you early game. If you have your ult, dont hesitate using your ult early doors because it can really help you clear out lanes and also getting health from minions and at least you can slow their push towards your tower.
When i was freeze laning so that aldous cant stack but my team mates cleared it💀
After 6 years of playing this game , i have learned all these strategies and i try my best apply on battlefield 😙😙
They forgot to mention that hanabi is also really strong when there are minions due to her passive that bounces each time she does a basic attack, one trick to avoid this is to maintain a safe distance from your own minion wave in the laning phase
Which hanabi players want you to do to make you lose gold and exp from the minions.
There's another way just be on the opposing minion while hitting her i usually use brody for this. Doing this is risky since this can easily lead to being ganked. Which it happened more then I'd like
Or just hide in a bush
very nice video, i will add that odette can use 2nd skill to minions to have 100% that it will hit an enemy hero, i use it a lot
Addition to Grock's wall, you can do that on a specific lane e.g. your team EXP Lane when they are being dominated by the enemy exp laner.
3:30 Slow Pushing was always utilized by M5 Champ Finals MVP Flaptzy. I always wondered why he kept on leaving the big minion since it has the biggest gold until Wolf pointed its purpose out. This information is very important for me as an exp laner. Thanks Elgin!
Love the depth in your content
2 more minnion tips
1. Roamers can help 'freezing' the lane if the gold/mid/exp laner died near thm, to help secure gold n exp
2. Last hitting gives extra gold , no matter which strategy ur using, always time ur basic atk to last hit (mistake on Elgin's part whn he's showing freezing lanes)
Minion mixing: As a Jungler in the early game after I take both buffs and the bear and lizard creep (Idk the name) I go to exp and kill the siege minion to get bonus exp aswell ganking the enemy exp, Then I'll take the insect thing in exp, After that I'll gank enemy marksman and kill the siege, I'll do it repeatedly until my buff respawns or if the siege minions isn't carrying the gold coins/Exp scrolls on their back, After my buff respawns I'll gank Mid lane after I kill purple buff then I'll go red.
Minion Targeting: As a roamer like tig can get enemy minions to attack him while the allied minions push, If an allied player arrives you can kill the minions giving them rescource while the allied minions push.
One more addition is managing the minion waves when the opponent has the lord. Freezing some lanes so that the lord wont be in sync with the minion waves is also a crucial strategy to prevent high ground from collapsing
You forgot to mention most noob junglers minion strategy
" Clear minions waves without the teammates guarding the lane as fast as possible so they don't get gold or exp "
Real bro
I feel like i get it but im afraid not.. Can you please explain what you mean by that?
Its about being greedy and not letting your teammates get the resource from the minions
@@zeen8190 ouhhh got it, thanks!
@@zeen8190 thanks for the explanation!
Slow pushing is something I didn't think of. It looks really useful.
I personally found out about slow pushing from playing wild rift as wave management was an integral part to ranking up in that game. Been using it in ML to divide enemies in lord fights
here are more heroes you shouldn't fight with minions:
Hanabi- can gete free hits on you even when you are far And and is a disadvantage when you 1v1 her bc of her ricochet passive
Silvanna - with her ulti and 2nd skill combo, her spell vamp increases so she heals more with minions
Dyrroth - he gets more of his passive and health with lifesteal build
Khaleed,balmond,yu zhong, terizla - same with ruby and alpha shown in the video (only when he has lifesteal build)
Alice and thamuz - with their ulti will gain massive hp
Odette - same with hanabi with her passive
Selena - inf dashes
Bruno - same with hanabi with his ult
Moskov - same with hanabi but instead of ricochet, his hits can pierce with the minions and gain him some health when he has lifesteal
Layla and Melissa - they can freehit you because of their skill 1s and layla with her passive due to her skill one grants her the ability to have morr range when you are clearing minion waves
Beatrix - she can use renner like layla and melissa
Belerick and gatot - basically a free passive farm (will work more with lord buffed and enhanced minions)
Midlane, when you are ahead and their midlaner goes back to lane when turtle is almost up, dont clear wave and show yourself in the map. You just wait for their midlaner, to go back and burst out their hp with your skills(no need to commit and kill or use your ult), so they have one less person helping in objective.
If they don't go back even with low hp, that midlaner is free to kill after your skill cooldown ends. (But you can only do this if the midlaner doesn't know your position. So, after bursting them the first time, you must back away immediately and go to a different hiding position to where they are most likely to go.
i learned almost half of these just from seeing my enemy using them and i also started using them, you don't have to resort to yt, just see how and why the enemy defeated you (regardless of shitty teammates or none of your teammates ganking your lane while the enemy team is somewhat always ganking your lane)
This is very informative. because a lot of player have no idea how much it helps when you have knowledge on this minion management tricks.
6:51 and dyroth because of his passive it is a very important thing fr diroth in early
I do all of this strategy except for grock block, however the slow push strategy are the one I didn't do because of gold advantages..
But I gonna do it alot after listening to your explanation, it's seem OP.. 😂
Thank i buff-gin for that knowledge. Btw U did bulk than cut or str8 to cut ?
One thing i like to do with lord is to let it clear waves so its up longer and creates more stronger waves u can get mainly 3 strong waves and 4 if u really prevent the enemy from killing lord
*My best strategy is basketball style. Make sure that my teammates distracts the enemy heroes to gather while I push lane. That way, I can push lane without enemy hero appeared on my lane. Use teamfight for distracting enemy heroes but don’t ever overuse it.*
A perfect video for those need an upper rank like me, thanks Elgin😊
There's also the Gord strategy: Throw your 2nd and 1st on the minion wave and go for the gank. Its a Shove + near zero map presence. Just gonna need to time it right of course.
I do it all the time.
5:40 that's what everyone should do in the late game lord push. Usually the enemy will use their lane clearing skills & ults to destroy the lord. Then the other two super waves will march in giving you 2nd attempt to end the game.
Thanks. I always do the freeze version 2, also effective in exp and gold lane that have no support from allies 👌
As a fighter main, I know all this, and more techniques beyond this.
There are times that I am assigned to be the MM, and I never liked being guarded by our roamer, especially if the roamer is touching my minions or hiding in the *safe bush* instead of the *danger bush.*
Roamers that hides in the *safe bush* are useless.
Pls share ?
I just found out the v2 of freezing lane and it is very helpful i tried it while using zilong against an alpha user and it helped out a lot in early even while getting ganked
Another tips:
Slow Lord : this is when you get the lord BUT dont clear the Lane where the Lord went to. Since the Lord turns the minion into enhanced minions. So if your team doesnt clear the Lord's lane essentially you'll have 2 wave of enhanced minions (simultaneously) instead of 1 by 1. (NOTE: It only Works for top and bottom lane, tho it can actually works for midlane if the enemy didn't kill the Lord fast enough.)
My tips when using dyrroth, 1v1 near the minions can gain more life steal so you can survive more
As a midlaner, slow pushing never really occured to me to do because I have to shove the minion wave asap to be able to roam to the side lanes and gank.
I would mention lancelot in the heroes and minions, since his passive and first skill can be fully utilized with more targets. If my team lancelot is ready to attack, i wanna make sure theres minions for him so i wont clear it before teamfights.
This veido is really helpful even I'm in Matic Gelory I don't know about minions that much thanks for this veido
In case you have a teammate dead after getting the lord, depending on the respawn timer don't clear the wave the lord is in so that you can have a 5 person teamfight with the lord.
I do this when i use exp for early game I thought many already knows this I guess only few now u know goodluck winning 😊❤
For the last one add Hanabi cause it increases her range sometimes
Atleast either be on the enemy side of the minion or just snipe the low hp minion while she clear it and try to avoid the bounce
Thanks for the guide Mr. Elgin
(exp lane) If u want to push the enemy tower while their dead but the minions are far away, u can do this strategy by lane cutting, by rotating between the towers and wait for the minons and kill them. This way u can push the tower with ease
Very useful tips. Thank you
Despite knowing all of these, I love the fact Elgin actually makes a video for this. Hopefully more players will improve thanks to Elgin
2:00 this is not freeze lane, this is minion zoning. U push the enemy away from ur minion so they can get gold or exp. different from freeze lane where u let enemy kill ur minion, enemy minion will push the lane, and u stop the enemy minion before they get hit by ur tower. Why u do freeze lane? Because it will force ur enemy to come closer to ur side to get gold and exp, make it easier for ur jungler to gank the enemy in ur lane
That freeze lane v2 is effective late game when you're losing too. But that needs more attention
Don’t fight Hanabi when you’re with minions. Better to Solo with no allies.
Has Elgin been hitting the gym hard lately? He's buffed now
as a minsitthar main, freeze lane is my favorite strat because it's normal they'll hide from me in the tower
Freeze lane is also called gap your opponent in lane you will not hit the enemy minions and be aggressive to your lane opponent until the hero goes to own turret similar to bullying a aldous lvl 1
dang howd you make your lord have those cool ass colors and wings
Please note some of these advice will be hard to apply to some heroes as some are better at one job than the other.
Stay safe in early game guys!
Nah thats pszsy sit open war at level 1 😈🙏😼👍
With these strategies, I can secure more victories from now on.
6:33 dont forget hanabi because her basic attack bounces on the player and the minions which deals more damage
Im the fan of freezing lane method 2, method 1 is too risky in my opinion, they can gank you easily cause you are too far from the save zone (turret) method 2 is very save and my team can easily gank cause of they are focusing on the minion beside they are far away from their turret if they try to take their minion.
Yup I do this with thamus and alpha so the enemy tank mage and jungler shift to exp lane😂. Our mm farms peacefully.
If this is happening to you I would suggest to do a lane cut and rotate
And also you should add freezing lanes at late game when you have a higher amount of gold than the enemies, forcing them to come out of the base to clear rather than waiting near their base.
I have seen this kinda strategy like all the time except delay minions tactics I might meet such a condition but I didn't. notice as well thanks man alsi I feels like there's more push tactics you intentionally left for some reasons.
This is an obvious tip but when there's a chance always Destroy the last turret and Never let the enemy Destroy yours.
The reason being is that because of the Minions buff it's just more h3ll to defend not to mention even if you have the lord it can have a hard time dealing with Enhanced minions so never let them break the base turrets no matter what and besides if you break theirs then you have insurance to have at least the built up minions on the strategies here.
I have another strategy, change your Layla teammate for one line of minions
not very optimal, but you can actually use the beetle camps to freeze lane behind tower. i've never actually seen anyone do this but you can freeze pretty effectively with it
you sure that's mlbb and not dota?
@@cristarchi6961 it does sort of work like pulling but since minions aggro range goes back to lane if they're too far it's pretty niche
Quality to pre ah. More of these in the future 💯
This video was seriously needed
My team always uses an imba strat which is called Power Creeps. Basically they play with zero map awareness just like regular creeps. All they see is their lane, they dont help with objectives, and dont even bother going back to base when low in hp(just like regular creeps oh yeah). And they just die like regular creeps, throwing themselves to the enemy 1 vs 5. They only use their skills to ks, their ult is saved so they can use it next game.
Correction, minion waves spawn at :11 and :41. It used to be :10 and :40.
Each minion spawns every second, the first one appears at :11/41, second one at :12/42, third one at :13/43. Lord will spawn after the last minion, so it will spawn at :14/44.
Additionally, it takes around 15s for mid minions to reach mid of the map, 20s for side lanes. Minion waves spawns every 30s, use this knowledge to gain advantage.
4:23 shouldn't it be every 10 and 40 seconds of each minute?
also i think slow pushing is best used 3 to 4 waves before you do lord dance on the opposite lane. you'll have a good amount of minions on the opposing lane when lord dance comes.
Well i can't cut lane cuz by the time I'm in the game the timer already at 00:10 😂💀
if u head straight to the area between the enemy 3rd and 2nd turret, u can intercept the enemy minion wave before they meet yours, alot of chou players do this
Me to
I saw a video by fuego about the triple siege minions when you destroy all of the towers in mid lane before 5 mins. Mark
My friends and i tried this (5 man mid only) and it was quite hard to do took us 4 mins before we destroyed all the towers in mid but it works
if your team is behind, you can freeze minions close to your tier 2 or base towers to guarantee gold income
Lane cutting p3
In the early game the roamer zones out the mid lanner from getting the first wave. This will delay resources and level 2.
Instead of helping your Jungler, hide in the mid bush, then assault your prey and boom.
The trick is, pressure the enemy mid laner to the jungle or a distance away from his/her minion wave
Although I can only work on a handful of mid laners
i.e Gusion, Eudora Luo Yi(careful not to trigger her YinYan), Phasa (as long as they have the ability to clear their waves at a close distrant or takes longer to clear their waves it all good
While characters like gord, Xavier,Vexana , Lilia e.t.c can clear their waves thanks to their passive and whatnot.
For Cecilion it can be a hit or miss tho
For the romers, it can be tig(with his s2), Hilda, Lolita, Camila, khufra
Also note I've tried this by chance a couple of times and even I haven't mastered it yet. For now it's a theory