The Perfect Rebind Candidate! A Used Collins Long Primer With A Busted Leather Cover And India Paper
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Every once in a while, if you're looking closely, you can find a great rebind candidate for not much money. This is a great example. The Collins KJV Long Primer has a tattered cover, but the inside is still in excellent shape, and it even has the much sough-after India Paper! These sorts of editions pop up all the time, and to the eagle-eyed eBayer, can make a great edition to breathe new life into.
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Here are some specs on this specific Bible for those interested:
Translation: Authorized King James Version (AKJV)
Year: 1957
Info. Stamp: 2690X
Publisher: Collins’ Clear-Type Press
Type: Long Primer 8vo Ref.
Cover: Black, Genuine Leather
Liner: Black Synthetic, Paste Down
Binding: Smyth Sewn, Overcast Stitching (16 & Map 9)
Head/Tail Bands: White
Ribbons: Blue, Single-Sided Satin x 1
Page Edges: Red Under Gold
Words Of Christ: Black
Print Format: Double Column, Verse By Verse
Extras: Reading Calendar, Maps
Issues:
• Very heavy damage to cover
• Heavy damage to page edge gilt
Text Underlines Or Highlights:
• Blue ink pen mark on page 152 in New Testament
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Thank you for your review. Merry Christmas 🎄 Blessings 🙏🏼👍🏼
Thank you! Hope you had a Merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year as well!
Merry Christmas! Great video as usual.
Thank you so much! I hope you had a Merry Christmas and an excellent New Year!
Regarding your opening rant, “genuine” leather is cheap and usually colored with ink or paint. It will look like this book in a couple years. But that $300 goatskin Bible used daily will not look like this. The text block used daily might but not the goatskin covering it. My oldest Oxford Brevier Clarendon was made in the 1880s and the cover is still supple & durable even though the text block looks like it’s a couple page turns away from disintegrating.
An interesting data point. Of the older editions I own, seal skin and morocco (goatskin) leathers are the ones that have begun wearing the worst over time, with most of them having small cracks on the hinges. I'm not sure of the use of these editions, but the wear patterns are fairly consistent with the older editions I own.
Can u do a year long crash test of the BLESSING PRESIOUS SEED WM? Thanks
I used it for about 6 months before I stopped to do a read-through with some family members. It really doesn't look much different from when I film the video. I'll have to get back into it sooner or later; God willing, I will get a chance to do an update video.
I had a question on these types of worn bibles. Could one possibly use like a black shoe polish (kiwi) to work out those rough spaces? Have you tried it? I’d think it might work as long as careful to avoid the text block?
I have a similar Collin’s, and 3 1940’s World Wide Pub-Zipper KJV.s about same size that look like they’d clean up very nicely with a little leather shoe polish. Thoughts?
I would expressly recommend staying away from shoe polish. Most commercial products are not formulated for use on things like books. They will either leach though the leather over time, staining the pages underneath; or they will crystalize over time and form micro-abrasions on the leather, giving it a fuzzy appearance. I've also heard of the fat in some of those products blooming and causing white spots to appear that can be confused with mold.
I only use archival safe products, like Restoration Leather Conditioner from Preservation Solutions, so the Bibles will hold up over the very long run. The other products I use are Cellugel and SC6000 to repair physical wear.
AND they also make several oils and lubricants. that can be rubbed onto the cover to help preserve their longevity... Neap's oil... is one... and then there is Bees wax,... and ..MINK oil.. which has the appearance of a lot of car waxes.. kind of a firm polish that can be rubbed onto the covers...
some.. of these advise that a person rubs them in for a bit.. then wait for it to sit for 20 minutes or so then buff out...others like that Neap's oil.. (which looks like looks like 3 in 1 oil)... you rub a generous coating on the cover and let it sit for at least 24 hours so that it can be absorbed into the grain...then rub off any excess...
I think if any here are worried about there leather covers.. they should try these methods...
I have a video where I speak on Bible storage. I would expressly recommend staying away from the products you mentioned. Most commercial products are not formulated for use on things like books. Some of the ones you mentioned will either leach though the leather over time, staining the pages underneath; or they will crystalize over time and form micro-abrasions on the leather, giving it a fuzzy appearance. I've also heard the fat in some of those products blooming and causing a white spots to appear that can be confused with mold.
I only use archival safe products, like Restoration Leather Conditioner from Preservation Solutions, so the Bibles will hold up over the very long run.
@@RustyBibles
I understand what you are saying... but storing the bible in a flat position.. will do nothing in regards to softening the leather or making it more pliable will it?..
that is one of the issues I have...
when buying bibles... even in the local bible store...
I do Not wish for the store owner JUST to remove the shrink wrap around the bible so that I can "feel" it in my hands first.... before I buy it... because then..... if I do not like the bible... I feel guilty for having them break into it.... AND when buying bibles online... unless I specifically order lambskin or goatskin... many cowhide or genuine leather grain bibles feel too coarse for my liking.. and so THAT is why I try to soften them up gradually by using those various oils.. and solutions..
I have a particular issue with the coarseness of the Dake study bible... they claim to be leather.. but good luck trying to bend the cover over..
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this article seems to specify soring books vertically is best.. Not horizontally..
Preserving Books
Storage - Store books away from sources of heat and moisture. ...
Shelving - Store small- to medium-sized books upright (vertically). ...
Handling - Handle books gently to avoid separating covers and spine pieces from the binding. ...
Making Copies - Do not place books face down on a photocopier or scanner.
are you referring to soft covers.. and the wear the weight of the bible itself will place on the overhang of the cover and the spine..?
by the way... I have heard that the more a genuine leather bible covered gets used... the softer the grain of the cover usually becomes... due to the leather of the covers absorbing... oil from our hands... as well.. and so this would seem to dispel the theory that the more a genuine leather covered bible gets used the more tattered it will become... it sounds to me that the more a bible is handled over the years the more pliable and Less likely to flake and tear it will become..
I think you should be advising people to rub their hands MORE often on their genuine leather covered bibles to increase their durability..
Uh, wow never heard the before, there are ways to care for quality leather. Not sure if rubbing them helps. But, your hands should be clean before using your beloved KJV Bible. Thats a start.
In general, most Bibles will do excellent with daily handling, but not all leathers are created equal, nor are all hands created equal. If you're talking turn of the century leather, they are prone to red-rot, and without chemical intervention, the cover will literally fall apart. After that, from what I've seen, seal skin and older-style morocco leathers (goatskin) tend to be the ones I see falling apart most.
My hands are constantly very dry. I did a single read-through of a CSB Reader's Bible; the leather had already began to abrade because of the condition of my hands and the environment I lived in while reading it. That was a goatskin, and the video is on this channel if you care to see.
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Yes I think I WILL watch that.... I have never had a lambskin or goatskin covered bible.. wear much so far.. but.. I rotate through them quite a bit... so I am also not using the same bible.. day in and day out..
Would you consider send me a free bible. I live in a men's shelter and there is no Christianity here. I have no income at all but really need a KJV, 10 point font if at all possible.
One last thing... generally when there is a higher or better quality of leather used on any bible... the inside cover will reflect this by having a gold.. intertwining or straight edge rim...going all the way around the inner cover of the bible... and I suspect that though this Collins bible.. states it is "genuine leather"... it was really made from leather scraps.. or very cheap leather... .. perhaps.. before a certain year.. the publishers were calling "bonded leather".. "genuine leather"... before the federal trade commission caught up to them and forced them to begin distinguishing between genuine and bonded leather...
I have some Scofields dating back to the 40's with this gold intertwining.. and they look brand new.. but I cannot vouch for their usage over the years since I bought them used off E-bay...
Yes, the gold inner perimeter line in something some Bible-producers use to designate higher-quality models, but they don't always do it, and that was something that didn't catch on until fairly recently (1980s). The perimeter line also wasn't always straight. Thomas Nelson used to do a Florentine Fillet, and most recently, the LSB translation has done something similar.
The words used to designate the cover materials have always been standardized as far as the material used. Of corse there has been a variety of qualities of materials used over the years by various manufacturers. Here's some I've seen and can remember off hand:
Bonded Leather - Scraps of leather glued together to form the particle board of "leather"
Genuine (or Premium) Bonded Leather - Larger scraps of leather are glued, forming more of a plywood "leather"
Genuine Leather - Typically thin pigskin, but I have seen editions with very nice leather stamped "Genuine"
Berkshire and Aniline - Higher-quality pigskin
Calfskin - Leather from a young cow
Calfsplit - The bottom layer of a split leather
Top Grain - The top layer of a split leather
Full Grain - Non-split adult bovine leather
Lambskin
Morocco, Genuine Morocco, Levant, Shamar, Cashmere - Goatskin
French Morocco - higher quality split leather
Antique French Morocco - split goatskin leather
Seal Skin
Pinseal - Baby seal skin leather
Pinseal Morocco - Goatskin leather with a debossed texture that mimics pinseal
Kangaroo
Eelskin
Presstoff - Compressed paper with a debossed texture
Leatheroid, Duravella, Leathersoft, Leatherflex, Leathertech, Poromeric, Pluviusin - Synthetic (Faux) leathers typically formed from a polymer over a substrate material
@@RustyBibles
wow that is quite a list... what material have YOU found to be the best.... as far as feel and durability...?..
I do have a question regarding two older Matthew Henry study bibles I have,.. they are both identical.. I am sure they are early editions.. both show a print date of 1994 and the iside publishing info is 100% identical.. yet neither has an ISBN number on the bible...
I am not sure which printing either of the bibles are.. the page lay out is identical... YET.. in the first one I purchased...around 1996... the Birth Marriage papers in the front are in a beige ish colored parchment paper... yet the other one.. is in white... same kind of paper yet white in color... I am assuming the beige ish colored one is slightly older...
here is another difference.. in the first one... there is an editorial error.. where.. beginning... on page 1567 or Ezekiel chapter 7 clear through Ezekiel to page 1643...most of the references.. are like a page behind.. it appears one page of references got missed.. but in the other Matthew Henry bible... this has been corrected.. and so everything is fine..
have you heard much about these editions.. or can you find out which printings they are?..
thanks...
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I watched that video.. by the way.. regarding the cover deterioration of your CSB readers bible... I only have 1 bib le that has a cover that is cracking such as that one... I bought it used off E-bay .about 3 months ago and that is how it came... cracks along the edges.. I have tried everything to get those cracks to disappear.. but it loos as if they are there to stay.. I do Not know where this bible originated now.. but it could have come from a drier climate as you mentioned....I live in a moderate climate zone.. where most of the days are between 40- 60% humidity.. the lowest it ever gets here is maybe 20% and even those days are far and few .between. .AND in the winter months...
Never in the summer does the humidity.. drop to much lower than 60%.. those days are blessings here.. that could explain why all... of the bibles I have used daily over the years.. are free from that cracking.. as you are showing..
the bible that I mentioned that I bought used and is cracking as a soft leather cover as well.. that is way I could Not understand its cracking like that... I was beginning to think the seller lied in the description regarding the cover.. but now I know..
I will say this much .. from what I can see of the bible you are showing.. my bible that is cracking has a WAY softer looking cover than that CSB.. shown..
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I have to admit... I Also fold my bibles in half,,.. especially when it church,. .I look at it like this if the bible is constructed well enough .. it can take the handling... if Not.. I'd rather know right away...
I think most Smythe sewn bibles one should be able to fold in half though..
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one time after I had come home from a trip on a 100 degree day. .I went to get my bi le out of the trunk.... I think it has a lambskin cover not sure.. but it was wrinkled from and back like a prune.. literally... I took out the wife's iron.. and went over the bible cover from and back a couple of times with a little steam. and the wrinkles came right out..
I was mortified at first.. because it had been a re-bind...
It has been My experience after having dealt with a variety of different bible covers over the last 30 years that the absolute WORST bible covers as far as durability are the "Bonded Leather".. ones... my advice to any.. is to avoid these like the plague..
for a few extra dollars the genuine leather of ANY kind... are way more durable... AND there are such a variety... from Cowhide.. to goatskin to lambskin.. to Moroccan... etc.. the list is endless... ..some grains are stiffer than others..
flex covers for their price are a pretty good cover .. but I have never really enjoyed the feel of leather flex.. or leather faux....
I would have to say you are wrong in regards to a bible's usage... and wear on leather covers... I have some bibles that have lasted me almost 30 years now... and have NOT shown ANY wear on their covers...
OF COURSE.. I do not leave my bibles exposed to the elements... if one is going to leave their bible outside.. or in a Hot car trunk or even inside.. a car when the temperature outside is close to100 degrees.. forget it..
I have a bible from 1976 that was left to me by my grandfather... that I use every day for bible study... and though it does Not appear to be brand new... the cover is still attached.. and none of the pages are falling out...AND the cover is Not ripped or flaking..
FYI... I would NEVER pay to have any kind of genuine leather covered bible.. re-bound... maybe a bonded leather one... but NEVER a genuine leather one...
I do believe that the leather quality from about 1960 or so has improved over the leather that was available in the first half of this century... I have seen many bibles pre 1960.. with covers that appear like the one you are showing...