Vinland Saga Episode 14 Reaction | The Light of Dawn
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Two lines that will define this series as a whole:
"A true warrior needs no sword"
"You have no enemies"
The come back a lot throughout the series definitely
"Everyone is a slave to something"
@@Ryuzaki3737 AOT Kenny. Also a very common quote.
The second quote I posted is one only unique to Vinland.
@@rikumajumder1558 not fair since vinland saga did it before aot
@@Ryuzaki3737 That quote is older than Vinland Saga though.
The most unique and original quote is:
"I have no enemies".
what the priest was saying is unconditional love, its the same as being a pacifist like thors...."he has no enemies". The priest was intrigued on how can a viking that has never practiced Christianity became so similar to jesus.
Jesus loves all and can forgive all. Brotherly lover and the love for alcohol are selfish things, that benefit only the self and not everyone else.
the priest is simply delusional, in scripture jesus commanded his men to buy atleast 1 swords for protection.
@@houseofaction but he also told the men to not use their swords when he was arrested
@@adamyoung6797 that was solely because his arrest and death were necessary
@@houseofaction there's a difference between a pacifists and a slave, a pacifist is someone capable of violence and is ready to apply it when necessary but always strives to do so as the last result, a slave is someone who is incapable of protecting himself and those he loves and therefore cannot actually make a choice between peace or violence, he is forced to be peaceful through fear rather than virtue
Seeing ppl all have their own interpretation for Ann’s monologue but for me when I read the manga it means like ‘here the Danes are so much worse and way more evil than me, and yet they are not punished so I am safe since I am not as evil as them.’
I thought that was the general interpretation even here in the comments?
@@TheOriginalDogLP oh I saw several interpretation? Like some ppl straight up think Ann doubted if God even judge ppl or she felt elated/excited coz she felt freed from the burden of her sin since her greatest fear: separating from family and heading to hell/meet devil all happened(hell as in her whole village massacred and the Vikings as devils) and my sis said she thought she was happy coz someone is not afraid to be evil(unafraid of god)
She is elated because she thought she was evil, but now she knows she’s not compared to the people who killed her family
Yes!
i have very diffrent interpretaion.
@@aemeth5418 Feel free to share it
@@aemeth5418 what's that?
@@aemeth5418 Your opinion is probably wrong then lol
In a way, that girl survives because of the "evil" thing she did.
In another way, she's the only one left to suffer because the "evil" thing she did.
Yes I also realised the second one after rewatching
"Why is brotherly love no love?" The priest hinted at it, when he asked if they would save him if he would fight on the battlefield. He is implying that the brothers only help each other, but he is talking about unconditional love in a christian sense, because... he is christian. The concept of love and kindness to other people was outside of christianity relatively rare. Then this cult came along that had a crucified carpenter as religious figure and spread the message "love everybody, even your enemy". Kinda new for vikings :D He will explain in more detail in a later episode though, so dont worry.
Idk why he made it sound so cryptic when it was so straightforward 😂
@@teddymecheto because he is a drunk
yet jesus commanded christians to sell their posessions and buy a sword.
@@teddymecheto to keep us on our toes haha I don't know why he is like that :D My interpretation is that he is an alcoholic and shocked by the war he witnessed so thats maybe the reason he is not so straightforward with his statements, but jeah he could be more clear. On the other hand I kinda like that he asks this question the brothers they way he did. He don't preach to them, but ask questions so they might find the answer for themselves.
The priest talking the absolute truth
Its a philosophy
If the mom loves her son ... That is not true love ... Its preference or human instinct
Brother love brother ... Wife love husband
All of that
The true love means you can't hate ... You forgive ...you wish the good to every single person on earth
The strongest episode of the series along with a couple of others imo.
Vinland Saga does not shy away from depicting the most brutal aspects of life during the Viking era.
The way this show handles religion is second to none. It’s incredible. The priest is one of my favorite side characters in any show ever.
Vinland Saga gives a really interesting perspective on love which will be explained further in a future episode. I really like the priest, he is kind of a comic relief but also a really interesting character.
my mum and I slow blink every time he comes on and starts his philosophy about love 🤣
This episode is amazing. The show does not hide the fact that the protagonists at the end of the day are bloodthirsty Vikings. The fact that they are charismatic characters with whom we can identify in many aspects does not change a historical reality. I like that the characters are not sanctified and all their dimensions are shown.
I was waiting for you to arrive at this episode. Remember this episode whenever you think that Askeladd is nice.
He's definitely not nice but he's a phenomenal character I absolutely can't hate
@@teddymecheto I wouldnt say that I hate him but this episode reminded me that they're pirates and this is what they did most of the time.
Okay, you might have heard this by now, but what the priest is thinks of as love, and the kind of love he wants to see is called Agape. Back in the day Greek philosophers came up for different classifications or types of love, because love for family is different from love for your closest friends, both of which are different from love for the person you've been dating for a few months and are clicking with, all of which is different from the love from somebody you've been married to for decades, etc.
Agape is more or less the highest form of love, love of everybody equally and without preference, so being just as willing/compelled to help a new acquittance or someone from work that you barely know the same as you would if it was a sibling, a lover, or your closest friend asking for a help or a favor.
The reason he reacts the way he does to the story about Thors is because he sees it as an example of Agape, that a warrior in the middle of fighting against a group of dozens of murderous vikings would go out of his way to make sure not to kill any of them. (In fact Thors even threw that oar to the one dude he knocked overboard, if you remember that.) And it's a big deal to the priest because Agape is supposed to be godly love, the love of god for all people and creation, and yet the priest sees a complete lack of it in the world made by god or in people supposedly created in god's image and such.
To speculate a little, I think the priest is having a massive crisis of faith as a result, maybe struggling with the thought that even god lacks Agape and is actually not good, perfect, all-loving as he's supposed to be, maybe even evil and cruel, and that is driving him into depression and despair. Because if god made the world and humanity and both of those seem to totally lack Agape, and god is willing to punish humanity forever for past sins and such, then what does that say about god? Hence why the priest does so much drinking.
So far I've never seen a correct translation of "dokidoki" said by the girl under the moon. It is either translated as "elated" or "excited". But "dokidoki" is only used to say someone's having a quick heartbeat due to unease, fear, shock, or after intense sports.
This episode is the toughest one for me. I remember crying the first time I saw it
Hope the girl goes on to train and take revenge. I'm no plot-ologist, but I think this show is slowly teaching us that spending your life consumed by hatred is actually good and makes you learn cool knife skills.
You will get what kind of love he's talking about in ep 18.
to me the meaning of true love by the priest mean is something you stop doing something bad/mistake and change to find a happiness in different ways like thors want to change and having great family go somewhere peaceful.
Hayasaca disguise as anya so she can become viking.
🤣
This is one of my favorite episodes in anime. So haunting yet beautiful.
Thors showed love even for the enemy by not killing them. ". .forgive my enemies for They know not what they do.." type of thing
A true warrior doesn't need a sword being the follow up quote that sparked the priests mind makes me think that. Though thors seemed to have come to these conclusions independently. Unless we find out later he was Christian, but I doubt it
yet jesus literally commands christians to buy a sword to defend themselves
The priest's ideas had a significant alignment with the ancient Chinese Mohism where "universal love", or "impartial care" was proposed as a solution to most if not all problems of society. According to Mozi/Mo Tzu, issues such as conflicts, greed and hatred only arise because people care for themselves more than other people, care for their nations more than other nations, care for their possessions more than others' possessions, care for their families more than others' families, etc. The Mohists acknowledged that this ultimate form of compassion was overly idealistic but nevertheless preached and pursued it in many ways.
Another tenet of Mohism was "non-aggression". They believed all conflicts are inherently unethical and that conflicts and bloodshed should be avoided or deterred wherever possible, a belief that was definitely shared by Thors. As an organised group of scholars and engineers with a decent following of able-bodied young men, the Mohists often joined military conflicts on the defending side (which were almost always the weaker) to deter stronger nations from attacking their neighbors.
Outfit is fire
Hehehe thank you! 😆
This episode is a reminder that all of the glam and glory of a Viking is literally just people going to innocent people's homes and destroying their lives, raping mothers and daughters, and killing fathers and sons. There's alot of pain and sadness for a cause that is anything but righteous nor virtuous.
I think she's happy because the existence of such evil people reassures her she's in a imperfect place and reassures her faith, rather than break it , then she still remains here as punishment
Anyaaaa 🥰😘. Too cute
This episode is only a reminder that our protagonist in this history are vikings, and vikings make vikings things 😿
I like this mentality. Stick to it~
I love the outfitttt🛐🛐
>One brother fighting for the other
As the brothers said, they do love each other but it's not above everything else... They would still sell each other given enough money to compensate for... Thus not "Real Love" as Kaguya would say
I'm seeing other peoples interpretations, but I took it that since she wasn't killed, that she was the only one in her family who was sent to hell, because 'hell' is only to be separated from God. Her family was killed and got to go to heaven, but she was left on earth to suffer detached from God. She was elated because she got to know her family was allowed to go to heaven, even if she wasn't
I think an important apart of the intro and the general theme of 'love' that is brought up throughout the show, is to remember that at this time, 'love' in the biblical context had no definition besides interpretation through the bible. He is confused as to what love means because it is hard to project the purely biblical meaning of the term (generally 'to be close to god') into every single facet of life. This is why he is amazed by a person like Thors, who attempts to show mercy to those around him; he sees Thors as someone close to the meaning of 'love', as he shows a similar mercy to God
Yes. Therefore they use the word "ai" which has a different meaning than the English "love". It is closer to the Christian concept of "agape"
The word "love" refers to different modes of being. It's unfortunate that English, and most languages for that matter, use the same word to refer to different mental states, even if they share some similarity. For example there's the sort of love where you want to be one with something, which involves "lust", e.g. love for food (you want to eat the food so as to become one with it), love for a partner (having sex and being close to them is a way of "being one with them"). And there's love for things that were once part of you but have grown independent, which does not involve lust, and is usually unconditional (love of a parent for their child, and for religious people, love of God for his creatures).
I love that ending scene so much. she's elated to realize you don't have to live your life in fear of god and your sins.
One of my favorite episodes
SO CHREW!
”Ai” means ”Agape” not love in this show.
Agape?
@@teddymecheto In Japanese, you have a few words that have a more specific meaning, and in English, they just mean "love." "Ai" for example will never be used in a context like "I love pizza" its meaning is more like unconditional love similar to the Christian concept of "agape".
@@teddymecheto
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape
@@aemeth5418 I actually have no idea what agape was but I googled thank u!
For most of the series the pagans are portrayed as more hungry for glorious death and the christians as more civilised, see Askeladd/Thorfinn and Canute/Priest for example. This episode questions that, it makes a point out of a sort of deathwish being inherent to christianity as well with their fetishization of heaven and only the "sinner" surviving. On the other hand the two brothers fighting for each other show that the vikings are not all mindlessly fighting to die.
The priest is a interesting character in this episode, at the start him trying to warn the villagers can be seen as noble. However in the end he lets Anne go without alerting anyone, even though she is the only one left alive and is probably going to give their position away. So in that sense the priest can also be seen as selfish because his decision will likely lead to more suffering and death than just killing Anne. For as cruel as he is Askeladds arguments are arguably more rational, killing them all in one swift blow so that they don't die over the winter without food anyway (releasing them) and preventing them from alerting the enemy.
Anne being elated can have two meanings, she mentions that she didn't believe such evil men with no fear of god exist. It can be read as relief that in comparison to the slaughtering danes she really is not a bad person for stealing one ring. Or she can be seen as looking up to the danes for livign their lives without restraints or fear of god. Or both. She feels both liberated by the loss of her family and them no longer potentially judging her for the theft and by the thought that they might have gone to heaven, yet she clings to life.
Also interesting that Askeladd talks about raiding being a tradition, but he himself has said previously that he hates the danes, whose tradition he is citing.....
It's an incredibly disgusting preposition to imply that Ann is elated that her family has died a gruesome death because she felt guilty for stealing. I doubt she is that evil of a person considering the simple, peaceful, and humble life they lived
Space buns teddy is life
I was waiting for this scene, it's just so memorable to me.
Actually, what's Tedd's first language? Does anyone know?
Bulgarian I think?
@@miladsterdoesstuff1568 correct 🙆
Oh man. This episode.
I think the priest is talking about Agape love. In greek, there is like 3 different words for love eros (Physical love), Philos (friendship or family relationships), and Agape (sacrificial unconditional love of god). I don't know enough about the Danes so I'm not too sure how accurately they are portrayed in the anime but it seems in the anime at least the Danish culture doesn't have a concept of agape love.
yeah, but to save his brother in battle you would have to kill the enemy right? You would still have to take someone's life. Thors managed to protect his loved one without killing any of Askeladd's men.
Ah this episode...
This episode messes with my emotions because I picture my family as the ones in the show before they all got murdered 🥺
I like this chapter a lot, because despite being characters that we like and are charismatic, sadly they are still Vikings, who kill and torture, even our protagonist.
Her sins cannot compare to there’s
Try watching Dororo. I bet you're gonna love it.
Anya Teddy!
she felt elated because she felt that her sin of stealing the ring is nothing compared to the evil the likes of Askelad can do
Cutest Anya ever 😋
A true Anya doesn't need cute
omg people are so over sensitive with spoilers. There is only one implicit spoiler in the second OP regarding a side character. The rest are is spoilerfree, expect you are regarding the fact that a super obvious fight is happening a spoiler (the outcome of the fight of course does not get shown). IMO you miss out on a cool opening that hypes you up for the show.
I literally spits out my food when you said “she committed suicide(but in Japanese)”, I know it’s not supposed to be funny but I just can’t help laughing on what you just said lol
Maybe she felt elated because she realized God makes justice in the other life. Furthermore, he does it without preferences. It should be a relief for anyone who suffered from or has done maleficence. In any case, this series is somewhat cryptic hehehehehe
I believe that the repeated emphasis on her fear of God's punishment and the fact that the awareness of being watched all the time creeps her out is the reason why she was elated after this traumatic event. On one side, she was terrified because her family had been murdered, but at the same time seeing people performing such atrocities showed her that it was possible to live without fear of god and hell.
@@aemeth5418 Could it be that the reason why those verses appear at the start of the episode? I mean... Those that speak about God forsaking the world. The next chapters where (this is some sort of spoiler of the anime) characters become aware that this world has been abandoned and that there is no justice here would make sense as well. That everyone does whatever they want. However, I do believe that the girl still believes in afterlife since she asks God if her family is with him, in his kingdom, which is far away from this corrupt world... I agree with you that the purpose of this chapter is that human nature enjoys on doing evil and sinning. That is true. This also will be coherent (this is an spoiler of the anime) with Canute's resolution to create a kingdom out of "resentment" for the abandonment of his "father" (God)
It's crazy that you watched Spy X Family last episode for cour 1 then you watch ep 14 which was not so much "slice of life" ep... 😳🤣🤣
Thors understand
oh i thought you were christian since it's the dominant religion in bulgaria
I think it's getting rarer and rarer in Bulgaria. I don't know anyone in mine or my family's circle who is religious - at least openly I guess
Impactful female characters? In a show that's serious in following real history? History is pretty sexist so no big female characters for you(and for me. But Hild still exist in my heart, she's real. She's kind enough to forgive Thorfinn, she's best girl period.).
Yep history was pretty sexist back in the day.
leave ragnar alone
HEEEELLL NO 😂
😍😍😍😘