I played with someone who did this build, but with Vitriolic Sphere transmuted to Fire damage. All of the d4s get a better increase from Flames of Phlethegos and Elemental Adept. It was really cool.
As a Sorcerer you can use the Bloodwell Vial as a focus. Let’s you regain up to 5 sorcery points after a short rest. 5 sorcery points = one 3rd level spell slot for your 21st fireball in a day.
If we also take the warlock multiclass,. Rod of the pact keeper can help gay more spell slots. Spell storing ring and pearl of power help avoid spell depletion for maximum EXPLOSION!!!!
This is pretty sweet, but I feel like to actually be a good member of a party, you might need 2 levels in Evocation Wizard so you aren't cowbelling your friends to death. It's way better than spending sorcery points on Careful Spell and they take no damage instead of just succeeding on the save.
my campaigns have "careful Spell" automatically in use. So can have friendly fire turned off. For every ally who was removed from being targeted adds another 5ft to the spell range or area of affect.
As a sorcerer, you also have access to empower spell, which allows you to reroll your Cha mod # of dice for added stickiness. Yes, it eats into your sorcery points, but if you're constantly rolling 2s or 3s, you might want to spend the 1 sorcery point to do more damage. This works especially well for those levels when you have a couple extra sorcery points because you don't have enough to convert to another 3rd level spell slot. The way I'd do this is cast the fireball, use the tiefling feat to reroll the ones, if you roll another 1, convert that to a 2, then look at the other rolls and take the 2s (maybe 3s) you rolled and use empowered to reroll those to hopefully get 5s and 6s. I believe the feat follows the same convention as other rerolling abilities, that is you have to take the new value, period. So the 1s you rerolled with the tiefling feat can't be also rerolled with the metamagic. But if you get any 1s with the rerolls, your elemental adept feat kicks in to boost it to 2. It's a bit complicated but so is sorcery point maintenance. Since you're getting fire resistance from your species (man, that sounds dumb every time I say it- "species"), maybe you could go for a wild magic sorcerer instead? I don't like the redundancy, but 4 to 5 extra damage per casting is probably too good to pass up. So if the damage dice consistently go south on you, consider empower spell metamagic. You can swap it out whenever you get an ASI, so if you went with something else for metamagic, you can get it later if you change your mind.
While I suppose it might give you a few less fireballs to cast each day, I'm thinking it would be worth to take a 2 level dip into evocation Wizard. The biggest problems with things like fireball is not wanting to hit your allies, but with that dip you can just ignore that matter, because your allies aren't affected by your own AoE evocation spells. And since you don't lose your total amount of spellslots by multiclassing into another full-caster, you don't really lose out on many extra casts anyways
If you just want fireballs and don’t care about the boosts a 20th level wizard can get infinite fireballs and cast them twice a round. Wish for a simulacrum, long rest, true polymorph simulacrum to pit fiend, long rest, true polymorph yourself into a pit fiend. Now both of you can cast fire ball at will every round.
There is this weird feeling whenever I watch your video on custom builds, flavor for specific classes, or just how you were able to make 20 fireballs possible every 24 hours in game?!?!?!?! I seriously love your content and I hope that you have a wonderful day May your Dungeons home Dragons!!!
Also, I haven't commented on this channel before, I watch most of the build channels (Colby at D4, Dungeon Dudes. Bilbrons, Treantmonk, Minmax munchkin...), but I wanted to say I really enjoy the content. I am an Optimizer at heart, but I also enjoy the character concepts you build. Keep up the good work!
Hot build. The six levels of Celestial Pact Warlock are pretty nice giving you some serious healing options and with pact of the blade a good way to deal with the fire immune creatures, I mean other than eldritch blast I guess Its also great RP, a creature driven by evil influences but aided in keeping control by a celestial pact
Sup. In case you were wondering about the specific numbers, re-rolling 1's with Flames of Phlegethos adds another 0,4167 (5/12) average damage to each d6. For a standard fireball, that is an average increase of 3,3333 damage (+11,9%). Peace. Formula for extra damage when re-rolling dice: ((n-r)/(2*n/r)) n is the die rolled (n=6 for a d6) r is the number you can re-roll (r=1 for Flames of Phlegethos, and r=2 for Great Weapon fighting style) ((6-1)/(2*6/1)) = 5/12 = 0,4167
So, I’ve done something similar. But instead of Fireball it was Aura of Vitality. It was a redone version of Treantmonk’s Over Obsessed Girl Fiend. Heals? Infinite Eldritch? Blasts Hotel? Trivago
IT'S TIME FOR MATH!!!! So if we are talking level 20, then any class that can cast true polymorph (Bards, Warlocks, and Wizards) can true polymorph into pitfiends, which have infinite per day. I can see this as maybe the end result of a Tiefling Warlock's journey and they finally ascend to their ultimate form. For the purpose of this, let's assume that's not going to be the case for infinite, and we want a finite option without having to change everything about our character. Ok, it's time for some math per combination, and for the sake of this, we are going to use the DMG assumption of getting 2 short rests per day: Level 20 Draconic Soul Sorcerer: Spell slots allowing fireball: 15 Spell slots converted into sorcery points: 4 level 1 SS (8 pts) + 3 level 2 SS (9 pts) for a total of 17 sorcery points Natural Sorcery Points: 20 + 4/short rest (8 per day average). Total Sorcery Points: 45 per day (could be more if you spam more short rests, but this is average). Total Fireballs: 24 of different levels. (This could also increase if you take metamagic adept feat for +2 sorcery points and have at least one more short rest) Celestial Warlock 6/Draconic Soul Sorcerer 14: Spell Slots allowing Fireball: 10 Pact Magic Slots allowing Fireball: 2 (recharges on short rest, so an average of 6 per day) Natural Sorcery Points: 14 Sorcery Points from Spells: 17 (Same as pure sorc) Total SP: 31 Total Fireballs / Day: 18 on different levels + 2 per short rest. Average of about 22 per day (Potentially even more) Evocation Wizard 20: Spell Slots allowing Fireball: 15 Arcane Recovery: 3 fireballs + 1 level 1 spell per day. Signature Spells: 1 Fireball + something else level 3 free once per day Total Fireballs: 19 (Although to be honest, I'd use the level 9 SS to become a pit fiend for one hour for the basically infinite fireballs for that time) There's one more build that we have to address, and it's a weird one. Drakewarden Ranger 15/Warlock 5 (Drake's breath is basically a more flexible fireball in terms of damage type, and is improved to 10d6 at level 15. You can use it once free, and then it recharges on a long rest unless you spend at least a 3rd level slot) Spell slots for breaths/fireballs: 5 (+1 free breath per long rest, so 6 total) Pact Magic slots for breaths/fireballs: 2 per short rest Total: 8 (or 12 per day average) Ok, so obviously, that last one was never going to be as much as the pure magic classes, but this way, you can look cool riding on the back of a dragon doing it! If we are going to be honest here.... aside from the pit fiend perma morph/change, wizards (And whoever else gets access to shapechange or true polymorph) are probably the absolute best option here if they use the level 9 slot for a one hour only pit fiend. They have sculpt spells (so yeet those balls everywhere you want) and various damage increasing abilities on fireball as well. Second place, in my opinion, probably goes to the sorlock, because you can pick up ritual casting at the same time through warlocks and have more use otherwise with level 3 rituals. It's not to say that pure sorcerer is bad... on the contrary, it's going to dish out tons of damage and be pretty flexible with all those sorcery points as well, but it lacks the utility that the other class combos/options can bring to the table. At least, this is from what i've found.
While lacking the boosts of Draconic Sorcerer and Celestial Warlock, if you just go straight Divination Wizard you can convert 4th+ level spell slots into 3rd level spell slots at a 1:1 ratio which is better overall than using metamagic to convert sorcerery points into spell slots. You break even on the total number of fireballs compared to a 20th level Sorcerer, but you have the benefit of the intel gained by casting Divination spells at 4th+ level. So you're sacrificing much less than the sorcerer. Edit - Actually it just occurred to me I forgot about a couple Wizard features. Namely Arcane Recovery which can recover up to 10 levels worth of spells at level 20, as well as their signature spell at 20. Arcane Recovery works out to an additional 3 Fireballs (2 3rd level, 1 4th level), and Signature Spells can be cast once for free per short rest. If we assume the two short rests again, that means a Level 20 Divination Wizard can cast 15 Fireballs from 3rd+ spell slots alone, plus 3 Fireballs from Arcane Recovery, plus 3 Fireballs from Signature spell for a total of 21 Fireballs. In addition, you still have all your 1st and 2nd level spells, as well as the benefit of every Divination spell you used to recycle your spell slots. So the Sorlock is casting 20ish Fireballs per day with 2 short rests. The Divination Wizard is casting up to 40 spells per day by using divination spells at 4th+ level to recycle 3rd-5th level slots. 21 of those are Fireball. Of the 40, 12 of them need to be 4th+ level Divination spells. The remaining 7 are your 1st and 2nd level spells. This isn't even accounting for the fact the Wizards are ritual casters and Sorcerers aren't, as well as the Wizard's 1st and 2nd level Spell Masteries which give them a 1st and 2nd level spell at will.
I'm *REALLY* not certain I'd want to turn all my potential Absorb Elements, Shield and Mirror Image spells into two extra Fireball spells. It's an interesting thought experiment, but there is *absolutely no way* I would ever want to play a one-trick pony like this. "He's a ... one-trick pony, one trick is all that horse can do, He does ... one trick only, it's the principal source of his revenue ..." 😉
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 No, not really. And he wasn't just saying "Dragon", he was saying "Dragon Soul" and Draconic definitely does not mean Dragon Soul
I'm curious to see your take on a Psionic Sorcadin. A mix of Aberrant Mind Sorcerer and any flavor of Paladin. Conquest may be the obvious choice, but Watchers would be an interesting dissonance. Maybe go with a Gem Dragonborn for some early flight.
Elemental Adept and Flames of P... aren't mutually exclusive here. "You *can* treat any 1 on a damage die as a 2", so you aren't forced to. So reroll the 1's with FoP and if the second roll is also a 1, "you must use the new roll", this is where elemental adepts kicks in and you can treat that 1 as a 2. Some other spell commendations. Bypassing your own fire resistance with elemental adept sucks but Tasha's Otherworldly Guise could get you immunity for a combat. Alternatively If you really want to watch the world burn, Draconic Transformation can give you the equivalent of a bonus action fireball with a larger aoe every turn [30' radius circle when delivered from above the battlefield] for a minute, 2 minutes if you extended spell it. Also catnap deserves a mention if you go more than 6 levels into warlock. Peace out while someone is casting a ritual and wake up with hp restored and 2 4th+ level slots for the cost of a 3rd level one.
If you wanna learn how to pronounce Mephistopheles check out the song "Call Me Little Sunshine" by Ghost. I can't hear the name without singing it at least a little bit lol
How about a build based on twin spelling Dragon’s breathe onto two pets (eg two Tiny servants) which you can buff with Aid and inspiring leader/motivational speech? Even if you only spend your action doing cantrip damage the output (and damage type versatility) with the two pets breathing every turn should be pretty good
@@punishedwhispers1218 monks get ki back after meditating for 30 minutes rather than over a short rest. You also get 1d8 of health, more movement, natural armour, stunning strike, at level 14 you get proficiency in every saving throws. Monk is fun and that's what matters.
@@saucewizard7636 No, you get it back after a short rest, 30 minutes of which must be meditation. The worst hit die of any melee martial in the game, terrible dpr, bad AC, and meager subclasses. Monks are terrible
@@punishedwhispers1218 I misread that part of the monk, gonna need to change that in my games now lol so thanks for pointing that out. I suppose that makes them get as many fireballs as a level 5 genie or fiend warlock. However, you can make an attack with a bonus action with a monk weapon whenever you use ki with an action. So that's an opportunity to use stunning strike. Depending on your DM, you may only have one combat per short rest so it's crazy that you can it that often. Also, consider pairing monks against casters in the context of this discussion because martial don't get the opportunity to cast fireball. I agree in terms of ranking classes, monk falls at the bottom due to resource management and low HP. However for this one niche, four elements monks actually have something to offer.
Can you make one with Hypnotic Pattern? I like actually powerful spells. Also technically the most fireballs you can do is unlimited, if you make your Sorcerer into Divine Soul and your warlock into Celestial, you could do the whole 'turn warlock spell slots into sorcery points' thing.
People keep saying it can't be done, but I say they're just not thinking hard enough. Raging artificer to me has tons of flavour too. Like steam boilers going into overload, runaway train style. The synergies are niche, but there are some cool ones. Wolf totem with battlesmith, magic power armor infusion for int-boosted grapples and stuff. Taking mobility spells like jump and Longstrider can be cast before you rage and don't need concentration. I could see a cool build being something of a mecha-dragoon, who uses elk totem and the jump spell, with magic powered armor for stupid long jumping and grapple shenanigans. Like, being able to high jump 10+feet in the air while grappling people to body slam them prone and beat them down with thunder gauntlets (which can be used with strength)
One minor problem with this build I see is if you are doing any of this converting during combat. You can only turn one spell slot into Soercery Points per turn, then wait till your next turn to turn those Sorcery Points into a spell slot. Though, I imagin you'd be doing all this converting prior to combat. Eitherway, is an interesting build idea. Though, do got one question... Would your use a 5th level slot to upcast Fireball, or turn it into a 3rd level Fireball? lol
theoretically a very wealthy lvl 1 spellcaster could cast 21 fireballs in a day if they bought 3 wands.... not at all useful but it's fun to imagine it.
I have a random question. The Elemental Affinity says when you cast a spell that does a the damage type associated...... could you be an efreeti Warlock and get the +Prof Fire Damage on one attack and have that count? Example. Level 6 Dragon Sorc/1 Efreeti, Booming blade but theres the +3 damage Rider from Efreeti, does that trigger the Elemental Affinity>?
Unfortunately, the Genie's ability only applies to attack rolls. Fireball is a saving throw spell, so the Efreeti damage bonus wouldn't apply. It's a great ability for say a Scorching Ray build, but not for Fireball.
guys... if you want to cast as many fireballs as possible just true polymorph yourself into a pit fiend at lvl 20. you have an hour of at will fireballs that's 599 fireballs in an hour with just one ninth level spell slot, then you can use all of your other spell slots plus arcane recovery and signature spell to cast another 17ish fireballs for a total of 616. Sorry but 20 a day is weak compared to this.
Keep up the great work Dum idea glyph of wording alter self and tenser transformation on a abjration wizard melee fighter this is dum but it sounds fun
Your math is short. There are 2 builds that can beat this. 1: You can do the coffee-lock build for any number of fireballs (this is Boring McSnores ville.) (This would be any warlock + divine soul sorcerer) 2: You can take wildmagic sorcerer and fireball centered on self any number of times a day! (After level 17 you can become immune to fireball damage and be the GREATEST melee sorcerer ever!!!
Greetings, can you tell me please how can I message you with an interesting build I've created if I would like you to see the video with this build from you ? It seems that you always need interesting ideas.
So the point is to take Goliath as your race + fathomless warlock. First 3 levels you are playing as basic warlock. When you reach 4th level you take pact of the blade and 'moderately armoured' feat. On 5th level you need to take thirsting blade and tomb of levisthus evocations. Put on some medium armor, grab a shield and a rapier as your pact weapon. Before the combat starts you cast Armor of Agathis on yourself. Then you go fight in melee range. Whenever you get hit (and the damage is worth it) use your racial ability to negate some points of damage and prolong the Armor of Agathis effect. If you take to much damage from one attack use tomb of levisthus. At 6th level you can use your reaction to negate 1d8 points of damage with your tentacle of the deep and there's no limit for this reaction. This build lets you deal a lot of damage from Armor of Agathis since like level 5, you can use Spirit Shroud to deal more cold damage or Summon Shadow Spawn to reduce the movement speed of your enemies and make it hard for them to escape fighting you in melee. It becomes better at level 7 when you will get the spell slot to cast Shadow of Moil. This build is inspired by Frost subclass of Death Knight from WoW.
@@DnD_Daily this build is incredibly action effective, because you always have use for your reaction, bonus action (tentacle) and action as well. You can both deal and take a lot of damage effectively. However this build is not op and DM can nerf you by throwing archers or mages against your group.
Ah yes, casting 18 fireballs at lvl 20 is amazing! Too bad upcasting of damage spells is never actually worth it, especially at those ridiculous levels.. building your entire character around fireball sounds fun in theory, but is horrible in practice.. Also, nobody ever reaches those levels in an average campaign..
And in the eternal words of JoCat,
Just fireball, only fireball, JUST FIREBALL-
I played with someone who did this build, but with Vitriolic Sphere transmuted to Fire damage. All of the d4s get a better increase from Flames of Phlethegos and Elemental Adept. It was really cool.
That’s a really creative player you got there! Nice, idea!
As a Sorcerer you can use the Bloodwell Vial as a focus. Let’s you regain up to 5 sorcery points after a short rest.
5 sorcery points = one 3rd level spell slot for your 21st fireball in a day.
It actually lets you get it on a hit die spent if Im not mistaken. So if you got Wither and Bloom...
@@punishedwhispers1218 so 22 over all. not a bad little blaster
If we also take the warlock multiclass,. Rod of the pact keeper can help gay more spell slots.
Spell storing ring and pearl of power help avoid spell depletion for maximum EXPLOSION!!!!
This is pretty sweet, but I feel like to actually be a good member of a party, you might need 2 levels in Evocation Wizard so you aren't cowbelling your friends to death. It's way better than spending sorcery points on Careful Spell and they take no damage instead of just succeeding on the save.
my campaigns have "careful Spell" automatically in use. So can have friendly fire turned off. For every ally who was removed from being targeted adds another 5ft to the spell range or area of affect.
@Haseo Yamazaki that's insanely powerful!
@@jaerodgers1243 thats actually the weakest house rule I have...my campaigns go to Character level 100.
@@haseoyamazaki8897 I gotta get in there!
As a sorcerer, you also have access to empower spell, which allows you to reroll your Cha mod # of dice for added stickiness. Yes, it eats into your sorcery points, but if you're constantly rolling 2s or 3s, you might want to spend the 1 sorcery point to do more damage. This works especially well for those levels when you have a couple extra sorcery points because you don't have enough to convert to another 3rd level spell slot. The way I'd do this is cast the fireball, use the tiefling feat to reroll the ones, if you roll another 1, convert that to a 2, then look at the other rolls and take the 2s (maybe 3s) you rolled and use empowered to reroll those to hopefully get 5s and 6s. I believe the feat follows the same convention as other rerolling abilities, that is you have to take the new value, period. So the 1s you rerolled with the tiefling feat can't be also rerolled with the metamagic. But if you get any 1s with the rerolls, your elemental adept feat kicks in to boost it to 2. It's a bit complicated but so is sorcery point maintenance. Since you're getting fire resistance from your species (man, that sounds dumb every time I say it- "species"), maybe you could go for a wild magic sorcerer instead? I don't like the redundancy, but 4 to 5 extra damage per casting is probably too good to pass up. So if the damage dice consistently go south on you, consider empower spell metamagic. You can swap it out whenever you get an ASI, so if you went with something else for metamagic, you can get it later if you change your mind.
While I suppose it might give you a few less fireballs to cast each day, I'm thinking it would be worth to take a 2 level dip into evocation Wizard. The biggest problems with things like fireball is not wanting to hit your allies, but with that dip you can just ignore that matter, because your allies aren't affected by your own AoE evocation spells. And since you don't lose your total amount of spellslots by multiclassing into another full-caster, you don't really lose out on many extra casts anyways
If you just want fireballs and don’t care about the boosts a 20th level wizard can get infinite fireballs and cast them twice a round. Wish for a simulacrum, long rest, true polymorph simulacrum to pit fiend, long rest, true polymorph yourself into a pit fiend. Now both of you can cast fire ball at will every round.
Well, but wish + simulacrum is broken anyways and can be chained endlessly
Yeah, kinda fundamentally broken.
Clever solution!
I always enjoy watching your builds. I always find inspiration in them
Glad you like them!
@@DnD_Daily 100%
There is this weird feeling whenever I watch your video on custom builds, flavor for specific classes, or just how you were able to make 20 fireballs possible every 24 hours in game?!?!?!?!
I seriously love your content and I hope that you have a wonderful day
May your Dungeons home Dragons!!!
Also, I haven't commented on this channel before, I watch most of the build channels (Colby at D4, Dungeon Dudes. Bilbrons, Treantmonk, Minmax munchkin...), but I wanted to say I really enjoy the content. I am an Optimizer at heart, but I also enjoy the character concepts you build. Keep up the good work!
Glad you like them!
Hot build. The six levels of Celestial Pact Warlock are pretty nice giving you some serious healing options and with pact of the blade a good way to deal with the fire immune creatures, I mean other than eldritch blast I guess Its also great RP, a creature driven by evil influences but aided in keeping control by a celestial pact
Sup.
In case you were wondering about the specific numbers, re-rolling 1's with Flames of Phlegethos adds another 0,4167 (5/12) average damage to each d6.
For a standard fireball, that is an average increase of 3,3333 damage (+11,9%).
Peace.
Formula for extra damage when re-rolling dice:
((n-r)/(2*n/r))
n is the die rolled (n=6 for a d6)
r is the number you can re-roll (r=1 for Flames of Phlegethos, and r=2 for Great Weapon fighting style)
((6-1)/(2*6/1)) = 5/12 = 0,4167
So, I’ve done something similar. But instead of Fireball it was Aura of Vitality. It was a redone version of Treantmonk’s Over Obsessed Girl Fiend.
Heals? Infinite
Eldritch? Blasts
Hotel? Trivago
Getting levels into Wizard would give you Arcane Recovery, though you'd need 5 levels for a single bonus fireball
As the DM, I'd give this guy a Staff of Fire for sure
cowbell fireball edit sold this build for me.
IT'S TIME FOR MATH!!!!
So if we are talking level 20, then any class that can cast true polymorph (Bards, Warlocks, and Wizards) can true polymorph into pitfiends, which have infinite per day. I can see this as maybe the end result of a Tiefling Warlock's journey and they finally ascend to their ultimate form.
For the purpose of this, let's assume that's not going to be the case for infinite, and we want a finite option without having to change everything about our character. Ok, it's time for some math per combination, and for the sake of this, we are going to use the DMG assumption of getting 2 short rests per day:
Level 20 Draconic Soul Sorcerer:
Spell slots allowing fireball: 15
Spell slots converted into sorcery points: 4 level 1 SS (8 pts) + 3 level 2 SS (9 pts) for a total of 17 sorcery points
Natural Sorcery Points: 20 + 4/short rest (8 per day average).
Total Sorcery Points: 45 per day (could be more if you spam more short rests, but this is average).
Total Fireballs: 24 of different levels. (This could also increase if you take metamagic adept feat for +2 sorcery points and have at least one more short rest)
Celestial Warlock 6/Draconic Soul Sorcerer 14:
Spell Slots allowing Fireball: 10
Pact Magic Slots allowing Fireball: 2 (recharges on short rest, so an average of 6 per day)
Natural Sorcery Points: 14
Sorcery Points from Spells: 17 (Same as pure sorc)
Total SP: 31
Total Fireballs / Day: 18 on different levels + 2 per short rest. Average of about 22 per day (Potentially even more)
Evocation Wizard 20:
Spell Slots allowing Fireball: 15
Arcane Recovery: 3 fireballs + 1 level 1 spell per day.
Signature Spells: 1 Fireball + something else level 3 free once per day
Total Fireballs: 19 (Although to be honest, I'd use the level 9 SS to become a pit fiend for one hour for the basically infinite fireballs for that time)
There's one more build that we have to address, and it's a weird one.
Drakewarden Ranger 15/Warlock 5 (Drake's breath is basically a more flexible fireball in terms of damage type, and is improved to 10d6 at level 15. You can use it once free, and then it recharges on a long rest unless you spend at least a 3rd level slot)
Spell slots for breaths/fireballs: 5 (+1 free breath per long rest, so 6 total)
Pact Magic slots for breaths/fireballs: 2 per short rest
Total: 8 (or 12 per day average)
Ok, so obviously, that last one was never going to be as much as the pure magic classes, but this way, you can look cool riding on the back of a dragon doing it! If we are going to be honest here.... aside from the pit fiend perma morph/change, wizards (And whoever else gets access to shapechange or true polymorph) are probably the absolute best option here if they use the level 9 slot for a one hour only pit fiend. They have sculpt spells (so yeet those balls everywhere you want) and various damage increasing abilities on fireball as well. Second place, in my opinion, probably goes to the sorlock, because you can pick up ritual casting at the same time through warlocks and have more use otherwise with level 3 rituals. It's not to say that pure sorcerer is bad... on the contrary, it's going to dish out tons of damage and be pretty flexible with all those sorcery points as well, but it lacks the utility that the other class combos/options can bring to the table. At least, this is from what i've found.
Nice analysis!
While lacking the boosts of Draconic Sorcerer and Celestial Warlock, if you just go straight Divination Wizard you can convert 4th+ level spell slots into 3rd level spell slots at a 1:1 ratio which is better overall than using metamagic to convert sorcerery points into spell slots. You break even on the total number of fireballs compared to a 20th level Sorcerer, but you have the benefit of the intel gained by casting Divination spells at 4th+ level. So you're sacrificing much less than the sorcerer.
Edit - Actually it just occurred to me I forgot about a couple Wizard features. Namely Arcane Recovery which can recover up to 10 levels worth of spells at level 20, as well as their signature spell at 20. Arcane Recovery works out to an additional 3 Fireballs (2 3rd level, 1 4th level), and Signature Spells can be cast once for free per short rest.
If we assume the two short rests again, that means a Level 20 Divination Wizard can cast 15 Fireballs from 3rd+ spell slots alone, plus 3 Fireballs from Arcane Recovery, plus 3 Fireballs from Signature spell for a total of 21 Fireballs. In addition, you still have all your 1st and 2nd level spells, as well as the benefit of every Divination spell you used to recycle your spell slots.
So the Sorlock is casting 20ish Fireballs per day with 2 short rests. The Divination Wizard is casting up to 40 spells per day by using divination spells at 4th+ level to recycle 3rd-5th level slots. 21 of those are Fireball. Of the 40, 12 of them need to be 4th+ level Divination spells. The remaining 7 are your 1st and 2nd level spells. This isn't even accounting for the fact the Wizards are ritual casters and Sorcerers aren't, as well as the Wizard's 1st and 2nd level Spell Masteries which give them a 1st and 2nd level spell at will.
I'm *REALLY* not certain I'd want to turn all my potential Absorb Elements, Shield and Mirror Image spells into two extra Fireball spells. It's an interesting thought experiment, but there is *absolutely no way* I would ever want to play a one-trick pony like this.
"He's a ... one-trick pony, one trick is all that horse can do,
He does ... one trick only, it's the principal source of his revenue ..."
😉
Megumin: 'goes into cardiac arrest due to intense Heavy Breathing'
Just be a 20th level wizard. Throw as many as you want.
get a bloodwell vial (ideally a +3) and you can do this evern more when you can expend hit dice to heal from spells.
You kept saying "Dragon Soul Sorcerer" and it confused me for awhile.
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 No, not really. And he wasn't just saying "Dragon", he was saying "Dragon Soul" and Draconic definitely does not mean Dragon Soul
I GOTTA HAVE MORE FIREBALL!
I'm curious to see your take on a Psionic Sorcadin. A mix of Aberrant Mind Sorcerer and any flavor of Paladin. Conquest may be the obvious choice, but Watchers would be an interesting dissonance. Maybe go with a Gem Dragonborn for some early flight.
Elemental Adept and Flames of P... aren't mutually exclusive here. "You *can* treat any 1 on a damage die as a 2", so you aren't forced to. So reroll the 1's with FoP and if the second roll is also a 1, "you must use the new roll", this is where elemental adepts kicks in and you can treat that 1 as a 2.
Some other spell commendations. Bypassing your own fire resistance with elemental adept sucks but Tasha's Otherworldly Guise could get you immunity for a combat. Alternatively If you really want to watch the world burn, Draconic Transformation can give you the equivalent of a bonus action fireball with a larger aoe every turn [30' radius circle when delivered from above the battlefield] for a minute, 2 minutes if you extended spell it.
Also catnap deserves a mention if you go more than 6 levels into warlock. Peace out while someone is casting a ritual and wake up with hp restored and 2 4th+ level slots for the cost of a 3rd level one.
If you wanna learn how to pronounce Mephistopheles check out the song "Call Me Little Sunshine" by Ghost. I can't hear the name without singing it at least a little bit lol
I didn't ask how big the room is. I said I cast fireball!
How about a build based on twin spelling Dragon’s breathe onto two pets (eg two Tiny servants) which you can buff with Aid and inspiring leader/motivational speech? Even if you only spend your action doing cantrip damage the output (and damage type versatility) with the two pets breathing every turn should be pretty good
you can do 2 fireballs every 30 minutes with an 11th level four elements monk
For one, thats an hour, two, the cost is being a monk. Which is never good in any situation.
@@punishedwhispers1218 monks get ki back after meditating for 30 minutes rather than over a short rest. You also get 1d8 of health, more movement, natural armour, stunning strike, at level 14 you get proficiency in every saving throws. Monk is fun and that's what matters.
@@saucewizard7636 No, you get it back after a short rest, 30 minutes of which must be meditation. The worst hit die of any melee martial in the game, terrible dpr, bad AC, and meager subclasses. Monks are terrible
@@punishedwhispers1218 I misread that part of the monk, gonna need to change that in my games now lol so thanks for pointing that out. I suppose that makes them get as many fireballs as a level 5 genie or fiend warlock. However, you can make an attack with a bonus action with a monk weapon whenever you use ki with an action. So that's an opportunity to use stunning strike. Depending on your DM, you may only have one combat per short rest so it's crazy that you can it that often. Also, consider pairing monks against casters in the context of this discussion because martial don't get the opportunity to cast fireball. I agree in terms of ranking classes, monk falls at the bottom due to resource management and low HP. However for this one niche, four elements monks actually have something to offer.
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Can you make one with Hypnotic Pattern? I like actually powerful spells. Also technically the most fireballs you can do is unlimited, if you make your Sorcerer into Divine Soul and your warlock into Celestial, you could do the whole 'turn warlock spell slots into sorcery points' thing.
Xp to lvl 3 has this guy
Can you design a build around an Artificer/Barbarian multi class?
People keep saying it can't be done, but I say they're just not thinking hard enough.
Raging artificer to me has tons of flavour too. Like steam boilers going into overload, runaway train style.
The synergies are niche, but there are some cool ones. Wolf totem with battlesmith, magic power armor infusion for int-boosted grapples and stuff. Taking mobility spells like jump and Longstrider can be cast before you rage and don't need concentration.
I could see a cool build being something of a mecha-dragoon, who uses elk totem and the jump spell, with magic powered armor for stupid long jumping and grapple shenanigans. Like, being able to high jump 10+feet in the air while grappling people to body slam them prone and beat them down with thunder gauntlets (which can be used with strength)
Armorer-Totem Warrior, make your Armor Half Plate. Rage, use the temporary hit points.
Added to the list!
One minor problem with this build I see is if you are doing any of this converting during combat. You can only turn one spell slot into Soercery Points per turn, then wait till your next turn to turn those Sorcery Points into a spell slot. Though, I imagin you'd be doing all this converting prior to combat. Eitherway, is an interesting build idea.
Though, do got one question... Would your use a 5th level slot to upcast Fireball, or turn it into a 3rd level Fireball? lol
Hopefully the fireball wizard from XPtoLevel3 sees this video so he can reoptimize!
Nice job as always.
What about a barbarian/monk multiclass? I think rage is a really good feature on monks
Oh, I can tell you a good build centered around that. Its actually quite simple; none of them.
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Sounds fun! I added it my ideas list
Spell points exist so i can get more with that one simple change
Thanks.
theoretically a very wealthy lvl 1 spellcaster could cast 21 fireballs in a day if they bought 3 wands.... not at all useful but it's fun to imagine it.
With celestial warlock you can also cokelock
Nice concept, how about saying you are descended from a red Abashai? Think that is fits a draconic tiefling.
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I have a random question. The Elemental Affinity says when you cast a spell that does a the damage type associated...... could you be an efreeti Warlock and get the +Prof Fire Damage on one attack and have that count?
Example. Level 6 Dragon Sorc/1 Efreeti, Booming blade but theres the +3 damage Rider from Efreeti, does that trigger the Elemental Affinity>?
Very interesting!
I think yes
Unfortunately, the Genie's ability only applies to attack rolls. Fireball is a saving throw spell, so the Efreeti damage bonus wouldn't apply. It's a great ability for say a Scorching Ray build, but not for Fireball.
Unfortunately Elemental Adept only applies to damage from spells, and Genies Wrath is not considered damage dealt by the spell.
guys... if you want to cast as many fireballs as possible just true polymorph yourself into a pit fiend at lvl 20. you have an hour of at will fireballs that's 599 fireballs in an hour with just one ninth level spell slot, then you can use all of your other spell slots plus arcane recovery and signature spell to cast another 17ish fireballs for a total of 616. Sorry but 20 a day is weak compared to this.
Sure lemme just wait til 20th level for my build to come online 😂
Sure is! Haha nice
Keep up the great work
Dum idea glyph of wording alter self and tenser transformation on a abjration wizard melee fighter this is dum but it sounds fun
Your math is short. There are 2 builds that can beat this.
1: You can do the coffee-lock build for any number of fireballs (this is Boring McSnores ville.) (This would be any warlock + divine soul sorcerer)
2: You can take wildmagic sorcerer and fireball centered on self any number of times a day! (After level 17 you can become immune to fireball damage and be the GREATEST melee sorcerer ever!!!
As someone who has played an actual coffeelock in a game, its not boring at all. He was a schizophrenic cult leader who went crazy from never sleeping
What about the 6 lvl feature for divination wizard. Where the gain spell slots dam near everytime the cast a spell
They only get refunded if a divination spell was cast. Would work for another spell though :)
@@DnD_Daily ohhhh myb. A player at my table cheesed me then. Guess ill be reading into all his builds now then. Tyvm
Greetings, can you tell me please how can I message you with an interesting build I've created if I would like you to see the video with this build from you ? It seems that you always need interesting ideas.
Your best bet is to write it as a fresh comment. Can’t wait to see it!
So the point is to take Goliath as your race + fathomless warlock. First 3 levels you are playing as basic warlock. When you reach 4th level you take pact of the blade and 'moderately armoured' feat. On 5th level you need to take thirsting blade and tomb of levisthus evocations. Put on some medium armor, grab a shield and a rapier as your pact weapon.
Before the combat starts you cast Armor of Agathis on yourself. Then you go fight in melee range. Whenever you get hit (and the damage is worth it) use your racial ability to negate some points of damage and prolong the Armor of Agathis effect. If you take to much damage from one attack use tomb of levisthus. At 6th level you can use your reaction to negate 1d8 points of damage with your tentacle of the deep and there's no limit for this reaction. This build lets you deal a lot of damage from Armor of Agathis since like level 5, you can use Spirit Shroud to deal more cold damage or Summon Shadow Spawn to reduce the movement speed of your enemies and make it hard for them to escape fighting you in melee. It becomes better at level 7 when you will get the spell slot to cast Shadow of Moil. This build is inspired by Frost subclass of Death Knight from WoW.
@@DnD_Daily this build is incredibly action effective, because you always have use for your reaction, bonus action (tentacle) and action as well. You can both deal and take a lot of damage effectively. However this build is not op and DM can nerf you by throwing archers or mages against your group.
I'm pretty sure a level 20 wizard gets the most Fireballs.
You’d be correct ^^
Minor point- Can’t convert spells into sorcery points just slots. So unless a class or species has a slot attached to the spell it is not a slot.
Ah yes, casting 18 fireballs at lvl 20 is amazing! Too bad upcasting of damage spells is never actually worth it, especially at those ridiculous levels.. building your entire character around fireball sounds fun in theory, but is horrible in practice..
Also, nobody ever reaches those levels in an average campaign..
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