As @artdiffuser spotted, there is no way to stack more than one of the Stackable Circular Filter Trays. You can have ONLY ONE. You can stack 4x5.65 filter trays ones only.
This is the best video a filmmaker can find. You explained everything so detailed that many of the starters or solo filmmakers are struggling to find the answers. Thank you so much mate. I appreciate your time in creating amazing content.
Glad I could help. Tilta Mirage is really nice Matte Box for beginners or small camera rig owners but it's kinda overwhelming when you see how many parts are there :D.
Glad I could help. This Tilta matte box is actually whole nice system. When you see exploded view of it there are plenty of different accessories. But Tilta actually fails at the marketing/instructional level. They got some manual like videos on YT, but they are quite general and vague. It's really hard to guess which accessories are compatible with each other (because some unfortunately aren't).
Thx. This video is part of the series, so you got other parts to see if you haven't already. And actually after recording few projects with my BMPCC6k with this matte box lately I guess there will be at least 1 additional part to the series :). So stay tuned.
I asked Tilta about how many filters you could have in front of the matte box as well and their support gave me a detailed explanation about the filter tray option. I just bought the matte box and everything to run 5 filters, super excited. thanks for the video, I haven't been able to find other videos covering these in-depth besides yours, so it's much appreciated!
@@JoATTech Appreciate your curiosity. I asked Tilta support what the maximum expandability would be and using 2x dual circular trays with its holder tray would yield a max of 5. I'm still to explore whether 5 would ever be needed but I'd prefer to have the option than otherwise, but the extreme cases would be to have variable ND with lens streaks filter (love flares), black mist, polarizer. You can argue polarizer with the streak filter defeats the purpose of having both on, so yeah, I don't think I'd ever exceed 4 if even three but it gives me a peace of mind knowing its achievable in case the job calls for it, but I doubt it will. :)
@@JackMajor I'd say VND and polarizer won't work together, but I haven't checked it myself. You can come back to Tilta support and ask them that question. Also seems that VND gives some color cast so do your own research before buying. I'm switching to IRNDs from VAXIS atm. Got them ordered but got only ND2 so far so it's hard to say they are any better.
@@JoATTech I asked them and they agreed that since the VND also uses polarization they encouraged to use IRNDs if I really were to combine the two. Thanks for bringing it up
@@JackMajor That's what I've thought. IRNDs are bit more annoying, but their VND is overrated :). Depends what is your final usage. Cause changing IRND is quite time consuming and hard in the field.
For the thumbscrew issue, you could go to a hardware store and source normal screws with the same threading. It doesn't allow you to remove the second tray as easily, but if you're always using at least one additional tray, that solves the problem with the adjustement between different sized lenses.
That actually a nice idea. I do not plan to remove second stage, so even gluing in will work :). I found another solution (additional SmallRig plane) which solves 2 problems at once. Although I thing there are still some very small lenses that cause this problem on A6x00 series, so I have to look for the screws. I bet they are imperial, so might be hard to source in Poland :(.
Btw, regarding the problem you had with the rods hitting the mattebox: It can be easily fixed by using a baseplate riser that clamps on the 15mm rods raises the camera above the rods. There are many types and some made specifically for your camera. It's generally better to have your camera raised higher from the rods since the mattebox is adjustable vertically.
I know, I even link one in the description. But I actually wanted my rig to be quite minimalistic and not tall at all, to be able to put it easily (without deassembling) into my PELI case. So it's more my fault then matte box fault, although if they make these screws removable it will be better (and made originally 3 tapped holes in the rod clamp).
@@JoATTech ah fair enough! Yeah I figured you already knew about raisers but wanted to mention it for others just in case. The one I use actually works better for portability as it has a quick release lock for quick disassembly and switching of locations so the AC can take the entire camera rig in one go instead of dissembling it to the pelican case. Looking forward to more reviews from you, haven’t found one channel out there that reviewed the Mirage properly in depth like you did. Cheers!
@@JoATTech Oh I replied to this but I think it was not sent. I'm using the Tilta cage set for the Sigma fp. I think for your rig something like the SmallRig Baseplate Riser would work better. It's around ~$120 USD on AliExpress.
Can you put (2) Vaxis Circle filters in the single 95mm Circle tray? Or do you need the Dual tray? The single tray looks like it can fit 2 on top of each other with the lock?
You can put 2 filters into 1 Circle Tray, but DUAL Circle Tray (first link in description). So 2 filters in 1 slot via dual circular tray. Single slot won't fit 2 trays, but 2 filters in one dual tray (it has same width but has 1 filter on each side).
I doubt there is one. Maybe something 3rd party, but I do not recall anything like that from Tilta. This is video oriented accessory so I guess that's the reason.
Great review thank you. I have one question for you, do you think it is possible to put the Tilta ND with the motor from the mirage and THEN the CPL Polarizer 95mm after on a second rack. I have the motor and the nd and it is very big, I am afraid to order the tilta Polarizer and a second stack for nothing... Without the motor on top I have no doubt of course.
I kinda doubt it would work. Since VND is set of polarizers. There are new VNDs for which you can also set polarization to your liking, but they work on the principle you set ND first then you rotate whole filter to set polarization. I think it won't work with VND + CPL combo. But I might be wrong :D. Check Philip Bloom video on VND filters ruclips.net/video/LMLs4jXMJRc/видео.html He will probably know the answer, if video won't answer this question for you :D.
@@JoATTech Thanks. I remember that when I bought Polar Pro ND and CP few years back, I couldn't use them at the same time, even though it's the same brand... I had dominant green or red colors. But with a true ND filter (I mean not a VND) and the CP it worked fine.
Thank you so much for this video! So the extra empty tray that comes with the Mirage VND bundle can actually hold two 95mm filters, one on each side? Would love to know if I can stack two IRND filters in one tray. Subbed ❤
No, the one from the bundle can only hold 1 filter. Although this one can be mounted without mattebox via the clamp. If you want to mount 2 IRNDs at the time (which I usually do when I got mist in the other frame) you need this: Tilta MB-T16-DCF Dual Circular Filter Tray amzn.to/3tIMaXA
At the moment I got only VND. The problem is when you have to match shots with and without VND. Simple WB change is not enough, but primary wheels adjustment should be enough. I guess cross pattern is more annoying thing. It's hard to spot it on the monitor, but when you review footage on your computer you see it straight away. Actually single NDs are cheaper. Mattebox alone is 119$, with VND is 369$ but you also got nucleus mount and mattebox rod adapter. Alone VND cost is around 280$. Depends what is your camera base ISO. My BMPCC6k is ISO400. So I would use 5stops ND mostly. I can compensate a bit with ISO settings. If I would buy it now after knowing how VND performs I would buy dual circular frame + ND5 and ND2. That way I would have 2,5 and 7 stops. If your camera base ISO is different then you might prefer 3+5. Or 2,4,6 = 2,4,6,8,10 if you combine them. Individual NDs are 50$ each and dual frame is 39$. So 2 NDs + frame = 139$. And you got 3 levels of ND without cross pattern and color cast. If you buy 3 filters you got 5 or 6 levels depends which NDs you choose and it's less than 200$. Of course its a bit more annoying to change them, but generally you can get away with 1 ND during a session and compensate via ISO.
@@JoATTech Also one thought I had that I wanted to learn about lighting and ratios, using a light meter. When I use single NDs I know exactly how many stops i compensate, with the VND I can just guess. So for learning lighting and cinematography single NDs are better
Not sure it's so important. You got false colors to check if you are exposing correctly (or zebras or waveform). And what is printed on ND might not be exactly true 1stop might be 1.2. Not sure how accurate vaxis is. I guess in real cinema they use constant NDs. But BestBoy Adam (YT channel) shown when VND with motor is very useful, so check his video if you haven't seen it yet.
Thanks a lot for this comprehensive explanation! You solved almost all of my hesitations about stacking circular filters. One question more. Do you use a motor for the VND? If yes are the any issues considering filter stacking?
I do not use the motor (I do not have it). Although I got 3 new circular filters so next part coming soon :), (today/tommorow). I got few findings (good and bad).
I just purchased it recently and I’ve found the stackable additional adapter adds vignetting almost up to 40mm on my 24-70mm 2.8 Sigma with a variable and black pro mist filter. Any thoughts or ideas on a solution?
I assume it's FF camera. What model exactly? I just checked with my Sigma 16mm and 18-35. And wide open on both there is not difference in vignetting with and without matte box. They are more or less 24mm and 27mm equivalent in FF terms. There is really minimal vignette on Sigma 16mm in 4:3 mode (photo). With 16:9 mode I can't see any. Can you see as experiment what happens if you stop the lens to F4, F5.6 and beyond? Does vignette disappears? Vignette is quite easy to remove in post with vignette filter reversed or power window in Davinci and exposure compensation.
Hi, Jo, I've bought 2 stackable round trays but there is no way to stack them on eachother, I can only stack one round tray on the base and that's it. Are you sure that they can be stacked on eachother? You only put one on your self. Let me know, may subscribe if get an answer :)
What an emotional blackmail :P. If you got two of these: tilta.com/shop/95mm-stackable-circular-filter-tray-for-tilta-mirage/ , then seems you are right. I just checked my second stage (I got one) and seems there is no way to connect two of them. Tilta support said you can connect up to 5, but I guess they mean trays for 4x5.65 ... not circular ones :(.
@@UnchartedWorlds Thanks for pointing this out. I repeated that opinion you can stack them without looking at the mechanism. Now pinned the comment that it's not possible. Cheers.
The simple answer is no. Cause Mirage accepts 5.65x4 filters. But there is hope. Because there are few accessories which might be able to hold 4x4 filter. You would have to contact Tilta (or find owner of them) to see what is the distance between the holders. And if it's less than 4 inches you should be good to go. Unfortunatelly I do not own them. 1) tilta.com/shop/rubber-hood-for-tilta-mirage/ - here you lose possibility to use top flag, so it's a trade off. 2) Combo of: tilta.com/shop/4x5-65-stackable-filter-tray-for-tilta-mirage/ tilta.com/shop/4x5-65-stackable-filter-tray-holder-for-tilta-mirage/ But this not accept all filters due to thickness limitation. And is quite expensive option. So you have to investigate it the filter you got is not avail as 95 circular or 5.65x4 rectangular. I'd say that 4x4 filter in 5.65x4 tray would not look very professional, so might be off-putting for some clients (even though it works).
As mentioned in video. It does not cause vignetting on BMPCC 6k + Laowa 12mm. This combo is ~18mm FF equivalent. I just checked Sony A6600 + Samyang 12mm F2. And there is really small vignetting in the corners. It's because A6600 got a but smaller crop factor and Samyang 12mm is wider than Laowa 12mm. Vignetting shows only when lens is focused to minimum focus distance. It disappears on different focus distances due to focus breathing. So any lens below 18mm (full frame equivalent) might cause vignetting with additional circular tray.
@@bentonpix That's weird. Shouldn't make a difference. 18mm - 27mm FF equiv - works fine on S35 sensor. How do you connect your Mirage to the lens? Rings?
@@JoATTech I use the standard adapter rings for the Mirage.. I was hoping to use my Sony 20mm with the stackable tray, but couldn’t because of heavy vignetting. My 40mm works fine and many others reported being able to use as wide as 35.
@@bentonpix That is strange because it worked on my 12mm on S35, but this 12mm Laowa is more 13.5 then 12. So in FF terms is 20-21mm. When tried real 12mm on Sony APS-C I got vignette only on half of the focus range, cause this lens got quite a focus breathing :) Maybe Sony 20mm is a bit less than 20, that's why vignetting or maybe front element is big so it's closed to the edges of the circular tray. Or maybe it's because my 12mm is 2.8 not 1.8 as Sony so actually lens IRIS is smaller. This might be the case. Try stopping your 20mm Sony to F2.8 to see if you still got vignetting (or even F4) just as experiment. Definetely works 100% fine with sigma 18-35 @F1.8, which is 27-52 in FF terms.
i have tried using this with NISI circular polarizer on the back (closest to lens) + nisi VND on the front (furthest from lens), it kinda works but is a bit difficult to rotate only one of them at a time
+ filter price (~70EUR). It is expensive, but I do not know cheaper solution to this :(. You can always buy rectangular 4*5.65 filters to mount in the mattebox frame, but basic ones start from 120EUR and they are quite annoying to handle.
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As @artdiffuser spotted, there is no way to stack more than one of the Stackable Circular Filter Trays. You can have ONLY ONE. You can stack 4x5.65 filter trays ones only.
This is the best video a filmmaker can find. You explained everything so detailed that many of the starters or solo filmmakers are struggling to find the answers. Thank you so much mate. I appreciate your time in creating amazing content.
Glad I could help. Tilta Mirage is really nice Matte Box for beginners or small camera rig owners but it's kinda overwhelming when you see how many parts are there :D.
Best video about this matte box extensions :D. Even tilta ones does not explain this topic :o.
The best review out there in RUclips! You explained everything that I didn’t understand about this piece of staff, thank you so much
Glad I could help.
This Tilta matte box is actually whole nice system. When you see exploded view of it there are plenty of different accessories.
But Tilta actually fails at the marketing/instructional level. They got some manual like videos on YT, but they are quite general and vague.
It's really hard to guess which accessories are compatible with each other (because some unfortunately aren't).
Thanks, this is the most practical & informative user vid on this product so far.
Thx.
This video is part of the series, so you got other parts to see if you haven't already.
And actually after recording few projects with my BMPCC6k with this matte box lately I guess there will be at least 1 additional part to the series :).
So stay tuned.
Best in depth tilta mirage reviewer out there. Thanks for your lovely attention to detail approach. Thanks.
Thx. Doing my best :).
I'm using tilta mirage quite often, so can share hands on experience.
I asked Tilta about how many filters you could have in front of the matte box as well and their support gave me a detailed explanation about the filter tray option. I just bought the matte box and everything to run 5 filters, super excited. thanks for the video, I haven't been able to find other videos covering these in-depth besides yours, so it's much appreciated!
5 filters sounds a bit excessive if you plan to run them at once :).
Can you share your final config of matte box elements and filters?
@@JoATTech Appreciate your curiosity. I asked Tilta support what the maximum expandability would be and using 2x dual circular trays with its holder tray would yield a max of 5. I'm still to explore whether 5 would ever be needed but I'd prefer to have the option than otherwise, but the extreme cases would be to have variable ND with lens streaks filter (love flares), black mist, polarizer. You can argue polarizer with the streak filter defeats the purpose of having both on, so yeah, I don't think I'd ever exceed 4 if even three but it gives me a peace of mind knowing its achievable in case the job calls for it, but I doubt it will. :)
@@JackMajor I'd say VND and polarizer won't work together, but I haven't checked it myself. You can come back to Tilta support and ask them that question.
Also seems that VND gives some color cast so do your own research before buying. I'm switching to IRNDs from VAXIS atm. Got them ordered but got only ND2 so far so it's hard to say they are any better.
@@JoATTech I asked them and they agreed that since the VND also uses polarization they encouraged to use IRNDs if I really were to combine the two. Thanks for bringing it up
@@JackMajor That's what I've thought.
IRNDs are bit more annoying, but their VND is overrated :).
Depends what is your final usage. Cause changing IRND is quite time consuming and hard in the field.
For the thumbscrew issue, you could go to a hardware store and source normal screws with the same threading. It doesn't allow you to remove the second tray as easily, but if you're always using at least one additional tray, that solves the problem with the adjustement between different sized lenses.
That actually a nice idea. I do not plan to remove second stage, so even gluing in will work :).
I found another solution (additional SmallRig plane) which solves 2 problems at once. Although I thing there are still some very small lenses that cause this problem on A6x00 series, so I have to look for the screws.
I bet they are imperial, so might be hard to source in Poland :(.
This was extremely helpful to me. Thank you!
Vaxis now got magnetic system for their circular filters, worth exploring if you want something smaller than a mattebox.
Cheers
Thank you for explaining. I appreciate it. 🙏
Love the music at the end!
Hope you like also anything else in the video ;)
@@JoATTech yes of course. Very helpful and well said!!
Btw, regarding the problem you had with the rods hitting the mattebox: It can be easily fixed by using a baseplate riser that clamps on the 15mm rods raises the camera above the rods. There are many types and some made specifically for your camera. It's generally better to have your camera raised higher from the rods since the mattebox is adjustable vertically.
I know, I even link one in the description. But I actually wanted my rig to be quite minimalistic and not tall at all, to be able to put it easily (without deassembling) into my PELI case. So it's more my fault then matte box fault, although if they make these screws removable it will be better (and made originally 3 tapped holes in the rod clamp).
@@JoATTech ah fair enough! Yeah I figured you already knew about raisers but wanted to mention it for others just in case. The one I use actually works better for portability as it has a quick release lock for quick disassembly and switching of locations so the AC can take the entire camera rig in one go instead of dissembling it to the pelican case. Looking forward to more reviews from you, haven’t found one channel out there that reviewed the Mirage properly in depth like you did. Cheers!
Can you share the model of the raiser you use?
@@JoATTech Oh I replied to this but I think it was not sent. I'm using the Tilta cage set for the Sigma fp. I think for your rig something like the SmallRig Baseplate Riser would work better. It's around ~$120 USD on AliExpress.
Can you put (2) Vaxis Circle filters in the single 95mm Circle tray? Or do you need the Dual tray? The single tray looks like it can fit 2 on top of each other with the lock?
You can put 2 filters into 1 Circle Tray, but DUAL Circle Tray (first link in description). So 2 filters in 1 slot via dual circular tray.
Single slot won't fit 2 trays, but 2 filters in one dual tray (it has same width but has 1 filter on each side).
thanks for this video,
Ur a legend
Glad it helps
Keep up the great work! I appreciated the video (:
Thx!
How about a stackable add on filter tray holder that's rotatable for using graduated ND or color filters?
I doubt there is one. Maybe something 3rd party, but I do not recall anything like that from Tilta. This is video oriented accessory so I guess that's the reason.
Great review thank you. I have one question for you, do you think it is possible to put the Tilta ND with the motor from the mirage and THEN the CPL Polarizer 95mm after on a second rack. I have the motor and the nd and it is very big, I am afraid to order the tilta Polarizer and a second stack for nothing... Without the motor on top I have no doubt of course.
I kinda doubt it would work. Since VND is set of polarizers. There are new VNDs for which you can also set polarization to your liking, but they work on the principle you set ND first then you rotate whole filter to set polarization.
I think it won't work with VND + CPL combo. But I might be wrong :D.
Check Philip Bloom video on VND filters ruclips.net/video/LMLs4jXMJRc/видео.html
He will probably know the answer, if video won't answer this question for you :D.
@@JoATTech Thanks. I remember that when I bought Polar Pro ND and CP few years back, I couldn't use them at the same time, even though it's the same brand... I had dominant green or red colors. But with a true ND filter (I mean not a VND) and the CP it worked fine.
@@JoATTechmy mistake, the tilta VND 0,3 to 2,07 is also a polariser, I just needed to turn it more 🙏👌
This guy sounds like Russian mafia.
But over all useful information. Thank you.
Polish mafia actually 😅
Thank you so much for this video! So the extra empty tray that comes with the Mirage VND bundle can actually hold two 95mm filters, one on each side? Would love to know if I can stack two IRND filters in one tray. Subbed ❤
No, the one from the bundle can only hold 1 filter. Although this one can be mounted without mattebox via the clamp.
If you want to mount 2 IRNDs at the time (which I usually do when I got mist in the other frame) you need this:
Tilta MB-T16-DCF Dual Circular Filter Tray
amzn.to/3tIMaXA
@@JoATTech Thanks a lot, thanks to your help I have completed my Mirage build.
Do you think single ND Filters are good to work with? Wouldnt you pick the VND just for convenience and fix color cast with WB setting?
At the moment I got only VND. The problem is when you have to match shots with and without VND. Simple WB change is not enough, but primary wheels adjustment should be enough. I guess cross pattern is more annoying thing. It's hard to spot it on the monitor, but when you review footage on your computer you see it straight away.
Actually single NDs are cheaper. Mattebox alone is 119$, with VND is 369$ but you also got nucleus mount and mattebox rod adapter. Alone VND cost is around 280$.
Depends what is your camera base ISO. My BMPCC6k is ISO400. So I would use 5stops ND mostly. I can compensate a bit with ISO settings.
If I would buy it now after knowing how VND performs I would buy dual circular frame + ND5 and ND2. That way I would have 2,5 and 7 stops.
If your camera base ISO is different then you might prefer 3+5. Or 2,4,6 = 2,4,6,8,10 if you combine them.
Individual NDs are 50$ each and dual frame is 39$. So 2 NDs + frame = 139$. And you got 3 levels of ND without cross pattern and color cast. If you buy 3 filters you got 5 or 6 levels depends which NDs you choose and it's less than 200$. Of course its a bit more annoying to change them, but generally you can get away with 1 ND during a session and compensate via ISO.
@@JoATTech Also one thought I had that I wanted to learn about lighting and ratios, using a light meter. When I use single NDs I know exactly how many stops i compensate, with the VND I can just guess. So for learning lighting and cinematography single NDs are better
Not sure it's so important. You got false colors to check if you are exposing correctly (or zebras or waveform).
And what is printed on ND might not be exactly true 1stop might be 1.2. Not sure how accurate vaxis is.
I guess in real cinema they use constant NDs.
But BestBoy Adam (YT channel) shown when VND with motor is very useful, so check his video if you haven't seen it yet.
Thanks a lot for this comprehensive explanation! You solved almost all of my hesitations about stacking circular filters.
One question more. Do you use a motor for the VND? If yes are the any issues considering filter stacking?
I do not use the motor (I do not have it).
Although I got 3 new circular filters so next part coming soon :), (today/tommorow).
I got few findings (good and bad).
@@JoATTech I'm staying tuned ))
@@danielromashov92 Should be up here in 3hours.
I just purchased it recently and I’ve found the stackable additional adapter adds vignetting almost up to 40mm on my 24-70mm 2.8 Sigma with a variable and black pro mist filter. Any thoughts or ideas on a solution?
I assume it's FF camera. What model exactly?
I just checked with my Sigma 16mm and 18-35.
And wide open on both there is not difference in vignetting with and without matte box. They are more or less 24mm and 27mm equivalent in FF terms.
There is really minimal vignette on Sigma 16mm in 4:3 mode (photo). With 16:9 mode I can't see any.
Can you see as experiment what happens if you stop the lens to F4, F5.6 and beyond? Does vignette disappears?
Vignette is quite easy to remove in post with vignette filter reversed or power window in Davinci and exposure compensation.
Hi, Jo, I've bought 2 stackable round trays but there is no way to stack them on eachother, I can only stack one round tray on the base and that's it. Are you sure that they can be stacked on eachother? You only put one on your self. Let me know, may subscribe if get an answer :)
What an emotional blackmail :P.
If you got two of these: tilta.com/shop/95mm-stackable-circular-filter-tray-for-tilta-mirage/ , then seems you are right. I just checked my second stage (I got one) and seems there is no way to connect two of them.
Tilta support said you can connect up to 5, but I guess they mean trays for 4x5.65 ... not circular ones :(.
@@JoATTech will subscribe 😁🫡 thank you for feedback 👏👏
@@UnchartedWorlds Thanks for pointing this out. I repeated that opinion you can stack them without looking at the mechanism. Now pinned the comment that it's not possible.
Cheers.
I have 27 tiffen 4x4 filter , can I use them with Tilta mirage ?
The simple answer is no. Cause Mirage accepts 5.65x4 filters.
But there is hope. Because there are few accessories which might be able to hold 4x4 filter. You would have to contact Tilta (or find owner of them) to see what is the distance between the holders. And if it's less than 4 inches you should be good to go.
Unfortunatelly I do not own them.
1) tilta.com/shop/rubber-hood-for-tilta-mirage/
- here you lose possibility to use top flag, so it's a trade off.
2) Combo of:
tilta.com/shop/4x5-65-stackable-filter-tray-for-tilta-mirage/
tilta.com/shop/4x5-65-stackable-filter-tray-holder-for-tilta-mirage/
But this not accept all filters due to thickness limitation.
And is quite expensive option.
So you have to investigate it the filter you got is not avail as 95 circular or 5.65x4 rectangular.
I'd say that 4x4 filter in 5.65x4 tray would not look very professional, so might be off-putting for some clients (even though it works).
Thanks a lot !!!
Using the stackable circular filter tray cause any vignetting?
As mentioned in video. It does not cause vignetting on BMPCC 6k + Laowa 12mm. This combo is ~18mm FF equivalent.
I just checked Sony A6600 + Samyang 12mm F2. And there is really small vignetting in the corners. It's because A6600 got a but smaller crop factor and Samyang 12mm is wider than Laowa 12mm.
Vignetting shows only when lens is focused to minimum focus distance. It disappears on different focus distances due to focus breathing.
So any lens below 18mm (full frame equivalent) might cause vignetting with additional circular tray.
On the Sony FX3 FF camera, you can use no wider than about a 35mm when using the 95mm stackable filter tray.
@@bentonpix That's weird. Shouldn't make a difference. 18mm - 27mm FF equiv - works fine on S35 sensor. How do you connect your Mirage to the lens? Rings?
@@JoATTech I use the standard adapter rings for the Mirage.. I was hoping to use my Sony 20mm with the stackable tray, but couldn’t because of heavy vignetting. My 40mm works fine and many others reported being able to use as wide as 35.
@@bentonpix That is strange because it worked on my 12mm on S35, but this 12mm Laowa is more 13.5 then 12. So in FF terms is 20-21mm.
When tried real 12mm on Sony APS-C I got vignette only on half of the focus range, cause this lens got quite a focus breathing :)
Maybe Sony 20mm is a bit less than 20, that's why vignetting or maybe front element is big so it's closed to the edges of the circular tray. Or maybe it's because my 12mm is 2.8 not 1.8 as Sony so actually lens IRIS is smaller. This might be the case.
Try stopping your 20mm Sony to F2.8 to see if you still got vignetting (or even F4) just as experiment.
Definetely works 100% fine with sigma 18-35 @F1.8, which is 27-52 in FF terms.
You need a second cam for the other lenses :)
If you mean FF cam, then I need the lenses too :).
Thinking about Sony A7IV, but here in Poland is freaking expensive compared to our wages :(.
is anybody else just trying to figure out how to use the vnd and the polariser ?
I think it's not possible to do, since VND is a ND filter with Polariser build in.
i have tried using this with NISI circular polarizer on the back (closest to lens) + nisi VND on the front (furthest from lens), it kinda works but is a bit difficult to rotate only one of them at a time
"I say infinite".. hahah...
Technically you can stack how many you want, if you got really long rods :).
Looks like wide lenses are hit by vinneting on 2nd frame though ...
I think its really expensive to pay 120-150€ only to be able to add another filter
+ filter price (~70EUR). It is expensive, but I do not know cheaper solution to this :(. You can always buy rectangular 4*5.65 filters to mount in the mattebox frame, but basic ones start from 120EUR and they are quite annoying to handle.