until you start to question whether the main reason she did it was to escape this harsh world and finally have peace. Not saying saving the world wasn't also a big reason, but the more I watched season 6 the more I questioned her heroic act and saw it more of a selfish act.
@@chrispeplinski7306 The First already existed. Buffy's second ressurection is what destabalized the Slayer line and allowed it to make a move to wipe them out. Watch Showtime if you don't believe me
Aqui no Brasil não passou e, se passou, eu não vi. Alguém sabe dizer se essa é a morte definitiva da Buffy e é o fim da série ou ela retorna? Here in Brazil it didn't happen and, if it did, I didn't see it. Does anyone know if this is the final death of Buffy and is it the end of the series or does she return?
Just watched series 5 for the first time and I have an incredibly nerdy question. It was established very early on that the key could be in any form, not necessarily that of a human. Glory states that it could even be a bicycle pump. So how come when she learns that Dawn is the key, all of a sudden her blood is vital to opening the portal? (Or rift or whatever) What if it had actually been a bicycle pump?
it really doesnt make any sense. Dawn is made human by the monks, using Buffy's dna or whatever. But that doesnt make Buffy the key. Only Dawn is the key. SO why would Buffy be able to close the portal??? Makes no sense
The key is a mystical object, I don't see any reason why it can't have properties that seem unusual or even to break the norms of ordinary/physical objects. You could use something like quantum nonlocality as an example. It's a somewhat controversial topic because we don't want to admit anything into our understanding of science that says an object can be in two places at once (and who knows, maybe if we gather more data we'll eventually realize our worldly/every day intuitions that it should be impossible, are in fact correct), but if it is a real phenomenon, then we have to accept that some phenomena within reality just don't abide by our every day logic or assumptions, and that the perspective we have at this macro scale of physical objects isn't a fully exhaustive accounting of reality and is in fact missing something, whether we can readily wrap our minds around that something, or not, it doesn't matter, we just have to accept it. Something like quantum entanglement seems like a pretty easy bridge to getting on board with this. The monks took something mystical and transcendent (a transdimensional pattern or structure of energy) and tied it to/imbued it into a limited physical existence (Dawn). How exactly do you bridge these two levels of reality, anyways? There's a lot of freedom to play around here. Then just say something like the blood link or the connection in identity between these two characters is such that it gets essentially shared or spread out between these two people. It's maybe not neat and tidy but it's more about the emotional logic or impact. Why, for instance, does the key jumping into a portal cause them to die, when apparently everything else can just pass through it to another dimension? Probably because it's more dramatic and less gruesome to have them do some cool swan drive to swelling music, than having them just ganking themselves with a knife to cause their blood to stop flowing or whatever. If absolute adherence to logic will end up diminishing the emotional impact or truth you're going for, then it's absolutely better to prioritize that emotional impact or coherence over everything making complete logical sense or whatever all the time. Obviously everyone might draw that line or boundary a little bit differently, I get that some people have trouble getting on board with this and not some other things. But Buffy the show has always been willing to play a little bit fast and loose with 'the rules' if the outcome or payoff ultimately justifies it, and I don't see this as really being any different in that respect.
Not very smart decision. To sacrifice the life of a sole protector of mystical hell gate in order to save an annoying girl who wasn't even human originally. I mean if Willow was so powerful, she could've just resurrect Dawn. And the First would've not been re-awakened.
The decision was fundamentally about what Buffy could live with. A world that would demand that she sacrifice the one person she has a personal overwhelming desire to protect, isn't a world that Buffy could live in or fight for anymore. What use is a supposed protector if they're so burnt out and emotionally devastated they can't even bring themselves to do the work anymore, let alone go on to live anything having the semblance of a real life? This is absolutely how it should have played out. Buffy sacrificing her sister to save the world would have never felt right. She protected her as best she could until that point, turning her back on that at the last moment would have definitely been a betrayal of all of that and the feelings that motivated her to do all of that in the first place. The whole point of Dawn's character is that it challenges what we've come to understand as Buffy's calling or universal/objective responsibility to the world. By season five, we've seen her rise to the challenge to save the world enough times that it has basically become second nature to her. But caring relationships, like that of protecting or raising a young person who needs that care, by definition has to be treated as special or be given a special value, otherwise it's hollow. Parents have to in a sense cherish their children no matter what, not merely tolerate them or do their duty by them, otherwise they've failed a critical part of what it means to be a parent to a child. That special, individual kind of caring (vs the more 'universal' caring or responsibility that Buffy has to the world), is what allows children to grow up into mature and considerate adults who have internalized a sense of valuing themselves. They can have that because those whose responsibility it is to care for them, were able to impress on them how valued or important to them they really are. That is, protecting them is so important it can potentially supersede everything else, and caring relationships have to be that way by their very nature, otherwise they ring hollow. The incredible thing about this scene or this choice of Buffy's, is this essential conflict and how she solves it. She spends the whole season getting more and more emotionally beaten down, more and more burnt out with the work, even losing faith that she can do it anymore. But then, by making the choice that she does, she realizes that she can both continue to do the work/save the world yet again, and protect what's most important to her, all at the same time. Despite the decision that was looming over her, that would seem to demand she betray at least one essential thing (either her responsibility to the world, or her responsibility to her sister), she finds a way to somehow protect and preserve both, only at the cost of her life. At that point, it's not even a real choice anymore, which is why she's so serene and assured of her choice (that, before, seemed utterly impossible). If you can't get that, then you don't really understand the emotional stakes of this scene or set up at all. I don't really love Dawn as a character all on her own, but I absolutely love what the character does for Buffy's continued character development. By season five, Buffy basically reached maturity in her work. She's saved the world many times and the risk to herself isn't even really something she struggles with anymore. The only thing that can really throw a wrench in that, and make her question what her duties really are, is a relationship like this one. It was used well to make Buffy realize a higher level of maturity (finding a way forward despite competing or contradictory duties, even giving up your life to make it happen) that just couldn't have been explored or developed otherwise.
MB Completely agree. Also people like to hate on Dawn but she gave Buffy a reason to keep going after the loss of her mother. Friends are great and all but you need those familial ties. Buffy sacrificing herself for her sister makes sense because the bond between two siblings is always strong, even when you are at each other’s throats you will always protect one another. The older sibling will always try protect the younger one. As for Dawn being annoying that’s pretty much how all younger siblings are, if she weren’t annoying that would be weird 😂
This wasn't about 'smart' or about calculating future risk. This was about love, and about the present moment in which a noble-hearted warrior realized she could save her little sister's life by sacrificing her own. (Buffy previously made it perfectly clear she considered Dawn her sister despite origins, and she had no context to expect Willow could resurrect Dawn after death, or that 'the First' would re-awaken if Buffy died.) Buffy definitely made the _right_ decision; this was definitely a culmination of the good spirit of this character. There's a reason that even within the universe of this show, Buffy went to heaven after this. She never would have lived forever anyways (at some point others would always have to take over the protection of the earth; a new slayer rises every time the previous one dies, and each is just a mortal human in the end), so it was only a matter of when and how she died. As Spike pointed out once, slayers usually die in an otherwise winnable fight when they're just tired of fighting anymore and for a brief moment consider preferring death. Compared to that, going out a still-strong fighter saving her little sister's life the only way possible, is a pretty great when and how.
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The most beautiful moment in TV's history
Anyone still questioning whether Buffy was the greatest hero, show them this 💯💯💯💥💯💯💯
until you start to question whether the main reason she did it was to escape this harsh world and finally have peace. Not saying saving the world wasn't also a big reason, but the more I watched season 6 the more I questioned her heroic act and saw it more of a selfish act.
I cry in this scene everytime😢😢😢 buffy is the true hero
Still sends shivers down me.
Very epic battles. Buffy and her crew. Strive to survive.
I always like that show.
This was such a sad episode 😢
The thing is since faith is main in line slayer another slayer would not be called with buffy dying seeing how she died once
Faith would still be behind bars during this time period too!
But it did destabilize the line of slayers allowing the first to emerge. 🤔
@@mmusya793 that's what the scoobies ressurecting her after this did
Faith was the last of the original Slayer line. Buffy resurrection inadvertently resulted in the emergence of the first
@@chrispeplinski7306 The First already existed. Buffy's second ressurection is what destabalized the Slayer line and allowed it to make a move to wipe them out. Watch Showtime if you don't believe me
I remember when this first aired. It was so dramatic and heartbreaking lol. Oh to go back to this time
The music though 😢
Wow, this made me cry
RIP Buffy, but then resurrected 😇
This scene should've been the series finale.
I was so sad as a kid
Aqui no Brasil não passou e, se passou, eu não vi. Alguém sabe dizer se essa é a morte definitiva da Buffy e é o fim da série ou ela retorna?
Here in Brazil it didn't happen and, if it did, I didn't see it. Does anyone know if this is the final death of Buffy and is it the end of the series or does she return?
Just watched series 5 for the first time and I have an incredibly nerdy question.
It was established very early on that the key could be in any form, not necessarily that of a human. Glory states that it could even be a bicycle pump.
So how come when she learns that Dawn is the key, all of a sudden her blood is vital to opening the portal? (Or rift or whatever)
What if it had actually been a bicycle pump?
They should have just killed dawn off like buffy to iconic
Why the death is buffy gift?
What if this was the original ending to the series?
it was actually.. They decided afterwards to shoot another 2 seasons considering the show had more viewers thanks to this scene :)
Nawwww dawn would have been pushed in
it really doesnt make any sense. Dawn is made human by the monks, using Buffy's dna or whatever. But that doesnt make Buffy the key. Only Dawn is the key. SO why would Buffy be able to close the portal??? Makes no sense
The way I see it is that the monks basically put the essence of the key into both Buffy and Dawn, so Buffy acted as a spare Key
The key is a mystical object, I don't see any reason why it can't have properties that seem unusual or even to break the norms of ordinary/physical objects. You could use something like quantum nonlocality as an example. It's a somewhat controversial topic because we don't want to admit anything into our understanding of science that says an object can be in two places at once (and who knows, maybe if we gather more data we'll eventually realize our worldly/every day intuitions that it should be impossible, are in fact correct), but if it is a real phenomenon, then we have to accept that some phenomena within reality just don't abide by our every day logic or assumptions, and that the perspective we have at this macro scale of physical objects isn't a fully exhaustive accounting of reality and is in fact missing something, whether we can readily wrap our minds around that something, or not, it doesn't matter, we just have to accept it.
Something like quantum entanglement seems like a pretty easy bridge to getting on board with this. The monks took something mystical and transcendent (a transdimensional pattern or structure of energy) and tied it to/imbued it into a limited physical existence (Dawn). How exactly do you bridge these two levels of reality, anyways? There's a lot of freedom to play around here. Then just say something like the blood link or the connection in identity between these two characters is such that it gets essentially shared or spread out between these two people. It's maybe not neat and tidy but it's more about the emotional logic or impact. Why, for instance, does the key jumping into a portal cause them to die, when apparently everything else can just pass through it to another dimension? Probably because it's more dramatic and less gruesome to have them do some cool swan drive to swelling music, than having them just ganking themselves with a knife to cause their blood to stop flowing or whatever. If absolute adherence to logic will end up diminishing the emotional impact or truth you're going for, then it's absolutely better to prioritize that emotional impact or coherence over everything making complete logical sense or whatever all the time. Obviously everyone might draw that line or boundary a little bit differently, I get that some people have trouble getting on board with this and not some other things. But Buffy the show has always been willing to play a little bit fast and loose with 'the rules' if the outcome or payoff ultimately justifies it, and I don't see this as really being any different in that respect.
Not very smart decision. To sacrifice the life of a sole protector of mystical hell gate in order to save an annoying girl who wasn't even human originally. I mean if Willow was so powerful, she could've just resurrect Dawn. And the First would've not been re-awakened.
The decision was fundamentally about what Buffy could live with. A world that would demand that she sacrifice the one person she has a personal overwhelming desire to protect, isn't a world that Buffy could live in or fight for anymore. What use is a supposed protector if they're so burnt out and emotionally devastated they can't even bring themselves to do the work anymore, let alone go on to live anything having the semblance of a real life?
This is absolutely how it should have played out. Buffy sacrificing her sister to save the world would have never felt right. She protected her as best she could until that point, turning her back on that at the last moment would have definitely been a betrayal of all of that and the feelings that motivated her to do all of that in the first place.
The whole point of Dawn's character is that it challenges what we've come to understand as Buffy's calling or universal/objective responsibility to the world. By season five, we've seen her rise to the challenge to save the world enough times that it has basically become second nature to her. But caring relationships, like that of protecting or raising a young person who needs that care, by definition has to be treated as special or be given a special value, otherwise it's hollow. Parents have to in a sense cherish their children no matter what, not merely tolerate them or do their duty by them, otherwise they've failed a critical part of what it means to be a parent to a child. That special, individual kind of caring (vs the more 'universal' caring or responsibility that Buffy has to the world), is what allows children to grow up into mature and considerate adults who have internalized a sense of valuing themselves. They can have that because those whose responsibility it is to care for them, were able to impress on them how valued or important to them they really are. That is, protecting them is so important it can potentially supersede everything else, and caring relationships have to be that way by their very nature, otherwise they ring hollow.
The incredible thing about this scene or this choice of Buffy's, is this essential conflict and how she solves it. She spends the whole season getting more and more emotionally beaten down, more and more burnt out with the work, even losing faith that she can do it anymore. But then, by making the choice that she does, she realizes that she can both continue to do the work/save the world yet again, and protect what's most important to her, all at the same time. Despite the decision that was looming over her, that would seem to demand she betray at least one essential thing (either her responsibility to the world, or her responsibility to her sister), she finds a way to somehow protect and preserve both, only at the cost of her life. At that point, it's not even a real choice anymore, which is why she's so serene and assured of her choice (that, before, seemed utterly impossible). If you can't get that, then you don't really understand the emotional stakes of this scene or set up at all.
I don't really love Dawn as a character all on her own, but I absolutely love what the character does for Buffy's continued character development. By season five, Buffy basically reached maturity in her work. She's saved the world many times and the risk to herself isn't even really something she struggles with anymore. The only thing that can really throw a wrench in that, and make her question what her duties really are, is a relationship like this one. It was used well to make Buffy realize a higher level of maturity (finding a way forward despite competing or contradictory duties, even giving up your life to make it happen) that just couldn't have been explored or developed otherwise.
MB
Completely agree. Also people like to hate on Dawn but she gave Buffy a reason to keep going after the loss of her mother. Friends are great and all but you need those familial ties. Buffy sacrificing herself for her sister makes sense because the bond between two siblings is always strong, even when you are at each other’s throats you will always protect one another. The older sibling will always try protect the younger one. As for Dawn being annoying that’s pretty much how all younger siblings are, if she weren’t annoying that would be weird 😂
This wasn't about 'smart' or about calculating future risk. This was about love, and about the present moment in which a noble-hearted warrior realized she could save her little sister's life by sacrificing her own.
(Buffy previously made it perfectly clear she considered Dawn her sister despite origins, and she had no context to expect Willow could resurrect Dawn after death, or that 'the First' would re-awaken if Buffy died.) Buffy definitely made the _right_ decision; this was definitely a culmination of the good spirit of this character. There's a reason that even within the universe of this show, Buffy went to heaven after this.
She never would have lived forever anyways (at some point others would always have to take over the protection of the earth; a new slayer rises every time the previous one dies, and each is just a mortal human in the end), so it was only a matter of when and how she died. As Spike pointed out once, slayers usually die in an otherwise winnable fight when they're just tired of fighting anymore and for a brief moment consider preferring death. Compared to that, going out a still-strong fighter saving her little sister's life the only way possible, is a pretty great when and how.