Riding Every NYC Subway Line and Rating It | IND Edition
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- Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2023
- In this video, we will continue where we left off and take the lettered lines, or the B Division of the NYC Subway. And since there are a ton of lettered lines, we will take the IND lines, or the lines going from A to G, plus the Rockaway Park shuttle.
I really am enjoying this series so far!!! You should ride and rate non subway trains that still run in the metro area. Ideas I have are Metro-North, LIRR, SIR, PATH, AirTrain JFK, Roosevelt Island Tram, NJT Commuter Rail, Amtrak, HBLR, Staten Island Ferry, & your favorite bus route from the metro area. Let me know if you like these ideas :)
I love how people view 7 minutes as unacceptable for frequency! No shade at all. Anywhere else in the US, that would be great. But not in NYC!
In my hometown, buses run every 45 minutes. 😮
Same here in the UK , in London they start crying if they have to wait 2minutes for the next Tube train. Buses where I live are like yours. 😅😅😅
new yorker here: i will flip out if my q27 bus doesn't come within 5 minutes in the morning, i am so guilty of this
we don’t even have buses where i’m from! (other than school buses)
a few weeks ago i tried to use my local bus, it was a half hour walk to the stop. I got there at 3 and the app said it was supposed to come at 3:15, it didn't come till 4:15
@charles8939 man, that's horrible!
As someone who uses the A, B and D I will say that
1. the DeKalb experience you had seems to be universal as the D takes a nap there almost everytime (and pretty much kills the headways for the D as you might have to wait 10-18 minutes for an Uptown D from Bway - Lafayette to even up to 59th St during offpeak hours) which honestly if the MTA isn't planning on deinterlining DeKalb anytime soon they should send the B to the Bronx all times of the day because if not the 4 will just keep taking all the passengers
2. Uptown express trains on CPW usually are faster than downtown express trains (idk why really but they usually get really fast around 103rd - 110th due to the elevation change most likely) and the D usually is faster than the A because it gets priority almost everytime
3. Concouse Express service is pretty good until you get to the section around 167th - 161st where they crawl and where the Local no joke outspeeds it even with it having to stop until the express gets by at 155th st
The rides you got were pretty much right on with the averages which is great because I expected the worst case scenarios with those 3 trains
Any Idea as to why the D gets priority over the A? It would make more sense for the A to get priority over the D since it’s served much more important and populated areas than the D. I can understand the B getting priority over the C but not the D over the A
@@_nolan_nolan I’m not sure but the A needs more capacity because of the amount of terminals that it has. To fix the 59th St Junction the A would be routed between Norwood 205th St and WTC. The B to Inwood would remain but it would run to Coney Island on the Sea Beach Line. The D would also be routed on the Inwood Branch but would run between 168th St and Bay Ridge 95th St. This kicks the C away from CPW and then running along QBL instead to 179th St and then taking over the southbound terminals that the A had, giving Lefferts and Rockaway Residents more Frequent Service and if they want Local Service on Fulton they can transfer at Euclid for an E Train there.
As someone who lives along the G, I can personally agree that its frequencies are horrendous. Most of the times it’s every 7 minutes but there are some occasions where the next train will be in like 4-5 minutes and then the next in like 10-20 minutes, which is just wholly unacceptable for such a used line in the system.
16:33 Is that shot recent? Do I really see an R42 train in service? 😮
Amazing series! Can’t wait for the BMT version! It’s a shame that IND gets so low speeds on such a well thought out and clever system!
idk
I feel the same way as you do, because I enjoyed riding express trains when I was a child. The slow speeds on the express tracks appalled me very much. I look forward to seeing another show about the B-1 Division. Your show is clean and decent without a curse nor a swear word.
Here in Minneapolis, a 10 minutes wait is a blessing, and a bus every 30 minutes is average
5:43 The S already ends on Rockaway Blvd but only on weekends--it's a part-time extension. It's mapped on the weekly weekend maps as well.
Great series! Would you considering doing this for NYC busses?
I remember then the G ended at Forest Hills and went local on Queens blvd, then after 9/11 they put it at Court Sq. Was that because too many people would get off to transfer? The M now is almost a complete Circle from FH to Metropolitan
Hey I have a question! The 63 street tunnel project is complete. Does that mean the BMT Ratings video will come out soon?
take the E more often during rush hours. I understand that the E and F slow down at 65 st and 67th ave in your experiences, but trust me that is not as common as you think. I ride along this route everyday.
22:31 That mini-express section between Kings Highway & Church Ave, is that something permanent or just something that happened this video? The last time I took the FX which was not recent, it didn’t do that but just started going local after Church. Does this have something to do with the new alignments of tracks?
The F on 53rd St should be permanent so that the M can use 63rd St for that to happen I would have the R use the 63rd St Tunnel as the N itself can use the 59th St tunnel to access Astoria. The preserves the R on QBL, and we would have more R Train frequency the R would have to be express as it’s a long route and has a lot of stops to sit through, and it would be express in Brooklyn too, and the N can go local. What do you think of this change as it makes expresses and locals have separate tracks.
I dont think rockaway boulevard can handle the rockaway park shuttle terminating there because it would cause delays to trains coming from both branches
Cant wait for BMT
Only a New Yorker would call a 10-minute wait "an eternity". Go to any other city and see how lucky you are.
I get it, I had to wait 15 minutes on the CTA. But we shouldn't be comparing how bad frequencies are. A 10 minute wait is bad, and there is no way around it.
@@techtransitassociationyeah and most of the long wait times are due to the merging conflicts. The worst Junction in the B Division has to be the 59th St Junction which is why I proposed the A to go to Norwood and the B and D on the Inwood Branch. This would provide a clean separation on the 59th St Junction. The C would be running from 179th St to Lefferts Blvd and the Rockaways leaving the E at Jamaica Center.
10 minute waits in East Asia where I'm from would lead to a meltdown lol.
Japan, having train companies make public apologies for trains that came in 1 second late (the headways are 3 minutes minimum):
I miss the C train going to the Bronx and the B train to Washington Heights.
After you rank the BMT lines, will you rank every line based on your score in order from worst to best?
He’ll probably tear apart the BMT Lines, almost everything about those lines from the frequency to the speeds are just awful, except for the L.
The (E) is a great line that’s held back by its running mates and the signals at Roosevelt
I know. I have taken the E outside of rush hour, and it runs pretty good. But during rush hour it is a mess.
F train gets Packed a few times On the Culver line during midday hours too, it's not that useless
Next! Do the BMT!
You did a very good on your recent review of the B division, but can I ask you a question, going back to your statements of the F train, would you agree that the F train should bypass more stops than it actually does? Meaning, the only place that the F train should be local at is in Manhattan on the 6th Avenue line, and also would you agree that transit should extend the M and the R trains to 179th Street so the F train doesn’t have to make any more local stops after 71st Avenue to 179th Street, I think they should but what are your thoughts and anybody could comment on this.
Just after the Archer Street extension was opened, the R did run to 179th along with the F on the express tracks, at least at some times, but this was changed not long after [I don't remember how long]. Either the MTA determined that the demand wasn't sufficient or they were budger-cutting.
The fact that Bergen Street station lower level is out of commission makes it completely unfeasible to run all Fs express in Cobble Hill and Park Slope; access to/from Manhattan would be awful. One-way express on the Culver el would bypass most of the passengers that the line serves.
@@harveywachtel1091 Very good points that you made about the F train and please let me share my insights with you, historically the transit system of New York made a huge mistake when they had the first two lines of the Queens Blvd line the E and the G trains not run together after 71st Avenue. What should of happened was the G train should have terminated at 169th Street and the E train should have terminated at Parsons Blvd in 1937 initially. When they created the F train in 1940 and had the F train run express all the way to Parsons Blvd and the E train local after 71st Avenue to 169th Street, the created a nightmare for themselves for the future. This is what I mean a nightmare, when the Archer Avenue line opened in 1988, they did keep the F train running express to 179th Street and they did extend the R train to 179th street only for 4 years. Here came the issue, when the transit system extended the R train to 179th Street, they should have extended the G train to 179th as well despite the fact that they extended the G train to 179th Street at nights. I am very aware that this might have caused a overflow at the 179th Street station, but during the rush hours it should have been every other local train that would terminate at 71st Avenue and the others go to 179th Street. If that would have occurred, the passengers would have had far less to complain about when it came to getting service at their respective stations. The MTA had it right, but there was still something missing to the equation at that time. As far as the Brooklyn side of the F train is concerned, years ago when they had the V train, they should of had the V train run as the local duplicate of the F train from Church Avenue to 179th Street via the 53rd Street line.
If I’m standing in Manhattan, how will I be able to know if my D train is going to run express or local in the Bronx?
the D only runs express only during rush hours with it running Manhattan Bound in the AM rush and Norwood Bound in the PM rush (unless theres a service change)
Listen! I know the powers that be in the past years say DeKahlb but when I was growing up in NYC it was pronounced DeCAB by MANY and I'll continue with that. Tomato ToMAHto ,🤷🏽♂️😂
don’t worry DeCAB is probably correct! that’s also how the county is pronounced here in Georgia
@@lilacfields Oh I know that too. I used to live in DeKalb Co. in Atl.😊
I love how ppl in nyc are complaining abt 7 min headway’s when here in Atlanta our average headway on our trains is 15 min on peak 20 min off peak this is a subway btw
excuse me what the actual fuck? the metro north comes every 15 minutes off peak and like every 10 minutes peak. The metro north serves upstate new york not even the suburbs. Shouldn't Atlanta be stupid crowded?
@@EastGermany-pc2lwmost large American cities are not dense at all really
@@22k_LOL then they aren’t cities?
@@EastGermany-pc2lw they have large populations but not dense like nyc
U should see the B. I follow the C, D, n Q all day. It sucks getting stuck behind a slow ass Charlie crews.
Speaking of Rockaway Beach Branch, I am curious why you propose for it be reactivated as a subway instead of a lirr branch(I do support Queenslink, just curious about the way it is reactivated)
I mean it makes sense since the tracks that the Rockaway Beach Branch uses are connected to the IND Rockaway line. They are hoping to make Woodhaven Boulevard an express station as on the local tracks on QBL. You can see the Bellmouths ready in place. You can see the abandoned Rockaway Beach Branch at 3:34
In addition I would personally send the G down to Rockaway Park but I don't mind the M going there instead. I just preferably want to keep the M to run to Jamaica 179th St instead of Rockaway Park since the F will run local on QBL so having the G going to Rockaway Park for me makes sense.
Essentially TTA on his video about De-interlining the IND Fulton Street line to its limits video he has
E: Jamaica 179th St to Lefferts Blvd and Far Rockaway
C: (It's denoted as the K but we are going to reroute the C away from CPW) Run from Jamaica Center to Euclid Avenue
F: Jamaica 179th St to Coney Island
M: Jamaica 179th St to Metropolitan Avenue
G: Church Avenue to Rockaway Park
Essentially to summarise how they will operate
E and C will run Express on QBL and the E will run Fulton Express while the C runs Fulton Local
F and M will run QBL, 6th/63rd St Local and the F will run Culver Express
While the G will run Culver and Crosstown Local
Extra Notes: For this to work more efficiently I would personally upgrade the G to 10 cars
@@RBMapleLeafthat’s almost what I proposed but sending the C on QBL leaves the E as is but the E would go Local in Brooklyn.
@@Reformperson It doesn't really matter if the E or C runs to Euclid, Lefferts or the Rockaways.
I would send the E up to 179th St and the C to takeover the E's current northern terminal at Jamaica Center. But again, it doesn't really matter since they will traverse QBL and 8th Ave Express but yeah whatever goes to Jamaica Center must run local on Fulton and terminate at Euclid Ave and that would use Pitkin Yard while the other uses Jamaica Yard.
@@RBMapleLeaf true but the E already ends at Jamaica Center so we might get as well keep it that way, the only change the E will get is that it will go Local on Fulton, while the C remains on Fulton but on the Express Tracks. All the lines that the C runs on will be express, as the C would be sent on QBL requiring it to end at 179th St.
@@Reformperson Not only that but its needs to be on Fulton Express anyway since it's A) Running 24 tph and B) needs to serve Lefferts or Far Rockaway to get the most capacity of Queenslink is or isn't there
I have a feeling you’re gonna give the R a very low rating when you do the BMT video. I only had a few problems with the R, and one of them was due to DeKalb shenanigans (a D train was running local in front of it on the 4th Avenue line). My other gripe with the R was the frequency on QBL. Since the M train wasn’t around due to the reconstruction of the 63rd Street branch, the R was all on its own as the MTA didn’t even bother extending the G to Forest Hills to provide extra service on QBL Local.
My plan to improve the R would be to send it to Astoria and have the G take its place, while the E and F handle 53rd and the M handles 63rd. I know that is reverse branching, but I’m not a big fan of the F running local on QBL. I would also have the N run with the R along 4th Avenue local while the B and D handle 4th Avenue express, and West End, with the B terminating at Bay Parkway while the D continues on to Coney Island. The N will handle Sea Beach while the R heads to Bay Ridge-95th Street. The Q and W will handle Brighton, with the Q running express and the W running local. The W will run local to Brighton Beach while the Q continues on to Coney Island. There might still be some delays at DeKalb but this is to have the N and Q split from each other, as I have both of them headed to 96th Street on the 2nd Avenue branch.
Thankfully the B and D will be unaffected as both will skip the station. To split the B and D, however, we would have the B replace the C to 168th Street, and the C run with the D along Grand Concourse.
While the R won’t have proper access to a yard, it can share trains with the W at Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard, until a yard is constructed next to the ConEdison plant to store both R and W trains.
Feel free to express your thoughts on my plan.
The better plan for the R would be to send it on the 63rd St Line with the M so that the express trains are separate from the local trains. This also means that the R would be express in Brooklyn and Manhattan requiring it to use the Bridge. The N would still remain as Astoria but run on the West End Line the Q then takes the Sea Beach Line while the R goes express in Brooklyn until 36th St and then go local south of there to access Bay Ridge.
The B and D would run together but on Brighton.
The C and D lines would be swapped as the C would end at Norwood While the D goes at 168th St by having the A and C express on CPW and running extra E Trains we can have the A/C running express on all of Manhattan and then send all C Trains to Lefferts Blvd, and the A Trains to Far Rockaway. The B remains unaffected and this provides a clean separation while maintaining express service on both branches. By doing this we have some E Trains alternate between 179th St and Jamiaca Center until we can extend the E past Jamaica Center to either Springfield Blvd or Rosedale. Preferably I would want to extend the E to Rosedale Francis Lewis Blvd to connect with the LIRR, and so that it can handle more trains.
@@ReformpersonI see that as a no brainer but I won't try and argue
Remember the IND Fulton Street video on how he booted the A off Fulton and rerouted the C to go via QBL instead?
Here is how I would go and using his videos
A: CPW and 8th Ave Local from Norwood 205th St to WTC
B: CPW, 6th Ave & 4th Ave Express from 168th St to Coney Island via Sea Beach
C: QBL, 8th Ave Express and Fulton Local from Jamaica Center to Euclid Ave
D: CPW, 6th Ave, 4th Ave Express & 4th Ave Local (After 36th St) from Inwood 207th St to Bay Ridge-95th St
E: (Without Queenslink) QBL, 8th Ave & Fulton St Express from Jamaica 179th St to Lefferts Blvd, Far Rockaway and Rockaway Ok
E: (With Queenslink) Same thing as without Queenslink except without having to serve Rockaway Park more about that later
F: QBL, 6th/63rd St Local & Culver Express from Jamaica 179th St to Coney Island
G: (Without Queenslink) No Service Changes
G: (With Queenslink) Extended from Court Square to Rockaway Park via Culver, Crosstown and QBL Local meaning G trains will run between Church Avenue and Rockaway Park
M: QBL, 6th Ave/63rd St Local and only service change is being extended from Forest Hills to Jamaica 179th St
N: 2nd Ave, Broadway and Brighton Express from 96th St to Coney Island
Q: 2nd Ave, Broadway Express and Brighton Local from 96th St to Ocean Pkwy (Note the N and Q can switch if liked)
R: Broadway and 4th Ave Local from Astoria to Coney Island via West End
W: Also with the R but ending at Bay Parkway
The Reason why I have the A go to Norwood instead of 168th St is that it can use Concourse Yard and the B and D can share 207th St. However, B trains will have its primary yard at Coney Island and B trains will also use the small 174th St Yard. 207th St Yard is there for the B train to store extra trains
C and E trains will mainly use Pitkin Yard while F, M and G trains share Jamaica Yard
B, R, N and Q trains will use Coney Island Yard.
@@Reformperson
The 63rd Street Tunnel would exclusively serve superexpress and the (M) and (R) will also serve Queenslink while the (C), (E,), (F) will serve the 53rd Street Tunnel and Queens Blvd Exp while the (G) and (V) will serve Queens Blvd Local
(N): Astoria to Coney Island via Broadway Local/Montague/4th Avenue Local/West End
(Q): 96th Street to Bay Ridge-95th Street via Broadway Express/Bridge/4th Avenue Express
(Local South of 36th Street)
(R): Coney Island to Rockaway Park via
Sea Beach/4th Avenue Express/Bridge/Broadway Express/63rd Street Tunnel/Superexpress/Queenslink
(B): Inwood to Coney Island via CPW Express/6th Avenue/Express/Bridge/Brighton Express
(D): 168th Street to Ocean Parkway via
CPW Express/6th Avenue Express/Bridge/Brighton Local
@@CR1Creative the Bridge requires the Lines to go express to avoid Merging with the Locals so the Q and R would use the Bridge and the N would be the only line going local while the Q and R go express this will require the B and D to go on Brighton with the Staten Island Subway we would use the Q Train as the R would be way too long.
Do some locals pronounce it, "Lefferets"?
The MTA should bring back G service to the Queens Blvd line nights and weekends to and from Forest Hills!!!
Kevin b, I think we should extend the G it to Jamaica- 179th street since it would avoid the merge seen at east of forest hills with some alterations of each line of QBL.
E: 53 Street lcl/ 8 Ave Express, QBL express all times(always express).
F: express after Chruch avenue or Jay Street, 53rd Street/ 6 avenue lcl, QBL/ Hillside Express, all times.
G: Full local to 179th Street
All times.
V: 63rd Street/6 Avenue local, QBL local, Culver local
To rockaway park.
All times
@@ECRALSE40LPSI'll add modifications
C: To Jamaica Center from Euclid Ave running Fulton Local, 8th Ave and QBL Express
All times: (Including Late Nights because C trains don't run during late nights)
E: To Jamaica 179th St from Lefferts Blvd and Far Rockaway running Fulton, 8th Ave and QBL Express
F: Culver Express, 6th Ave/63rd St Local and Hillside Local to Jamaica 179th At from Coney Island
G: Now why would I send the G to Rockaway Park instead of the M/V train? I personally don't mind if either the G or M gets sent to Rockaway Park but I personally would keep the M with the F.
So G trains will run Culver, Crosstown and QBL Local from Church Avenue to Woodhaven Boulevard then via the Rockaway Beach Branch to Rockaway Park.
Also at All times as well
M: I'm keeping as it is but extending it past Forest Hills to end at Jamaica 179th St with the F but in order to improve capacity we need to rebuild Myrtle Junction between BMT Jamaica line trains and IND 6th Ave Trains
Oh and Yeah M running there at All times since they only run there between like 6:30 and 10:30 before cutting back to Delancy til 11:30 then becoming a shuttle overnight.
Can u rank the bmt lines
When the MTA finished the 63rd St reconstruction project, I will begin the process of making the video.
I need to vent some rage right now. I know safety is supposed to be a top priority, but it is possible to be too safe. Starting in 2014, downtown 6 trains have to stop at a red signal about 1/3 the way into the 125 St station. Why? Downtown 4/5 trains enter the station at the same speed, but don’t have a red signal. Uptown 6 trains entering Union Square have to stop at a red signal about 1/3 the way into the station. Why? Uptown 4/5 trains have no red signal, and they enter the station at a much higher speed.
I used to ask myself what was the purpose of the red signals in the 14 St tunnels. Seriously. Granted I haven’t ridden the L train regularly in years, but when I did ride and look out the front of the train, I noticed that many operators wouldn’t bother slowing down for the red signals in the tunnels. It was because they knew that right before they reached the signals, they would turn from red to amber. So I really couldn’t help wondering what the purpose was. And finally, a few years ago I read an interview with an operator on the 4 or 5. The operator stated that the express run from Franklin Avenue to Atlantic Avenue used to be a breeze. But once they “improved” the signals with timers, the express run is brutal.
So like I said before, there is such thing as being too safe, even in the NYC subway. (And with the 6 being my local subway lines, I can assure you that I’ve only discussed the tip of the iceberg.)
6:56 - *six tracks* !? I have seen 4 tracks wide plenty of times, but why 6 tracks wide?
The section is 6 tracks because the concourse line is combining with the 8th ave line, B and C merge on the local tracks and the A and D merge on the express track
You didn’t do the full B line. The full line terminates at Bedford Park and serves the local Concourse stops the D doesn’t. The B is to the D as the C is to the A
It is a rush hour extension. Also, the B on Concourse is the same as the D local on Concourse. I have taken the B on Concourse before, just not for this video.
I ride the e train a lot. It does speed fast on qbl. You probably got a bad day on the e . Try again, train never slow down at 65 st and 67 ave.
I take the E a lot during peak times. More often than not, it slows down there.
@@techtransitassociationI’ve taken the E only a few times on the QBL. It was going at an average speed of around 30 mph past 65th Street. I have yet to ride it to Forest Hills-71st Avenue if it usually crawls past 67th Avenue.
Anyways, when you do a video rating the BMT, my guess is you’re gonna give the R a really bad score, and I can understand why. It’s been rather infrequent on QBL, and even more since the M is unable to run to Forest Hills due to reconstruction of the 63rd Street tunnel (if only the MTA would just send the G back to Forest Hills to provide extra service for the R). The one other problem I’ve had with the R was when it got delayed due to DeKalb shenanigans, not to mention that there was a D train running local in front of it.
@@VinceHere98 I will do the BMT when the MTA finishes the 63rd St project.
The R shouldn't get delayed at DeKalb. It emerges after all the switching takes place. Literally after Whitehall, the R has no merges.
@@techtransitassociationtrue as I have ridden the R but the length of the route and it being local everywhere is annoying. A partial change would be to route the R on the 63rd St Tunnel with the M so that it doesn’t interfere with the N Trains going to Astoria. The R would use the Bridge and we would have to send the D Trains on Brighton for that Deinterling plan to work as that would fix DeKalb Junction as well.
@@Reformperson
Under that proposal the (F) will get rerouted via 53rd Street Tunnel along with the (C), (E) with the (C), (E), (F) Running QBL (Hillside) Express and the (G) and my Proposed (V) via QBL (Hillside) Local to do all of this you're going to have to reconfigure the tracks on QBL while the 63rd Street Tunnel will exclusively serve superexpress and with the (M) and (R) on Queenslink we could send all (C) trains to Lefferts and all (E) trains to the Rockaways to do that you're going to have to reconfigure the tracks past Euclid Aveune and convert Rockaway Blvd into an express station
So now only the C train goes local on CPW? The B used to go local also.
Will you rate the L Train?
He will when he does the BMT video. I think it’ll have a perfect score near 40.
@@VinceHere98Yeah since the L train runs by itself, and it serves the north and south of Brooklyn.
Continental is the problem on Queens Blvd.
7.5 is not average, imo an average is 4-6
Idk, the ranges are different for all of us. 7.5 is a C, and that is the average that I did, but you could have a different range. C is still not good though.
I feel like the A train is a replacement for the c line because the A train is local during late nights
Ima be real here:
7 > QBL anytime
SUTfin, not STUFFIN