Helen Joyce on TalkTV - Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act
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- Опубликовано: 28 мар 2024
- Helen Joyce joins Jake Berry on TalkTV to discuss the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act and whether it's "transphobic" to call a biological male "he".
Friday 29th March 2024.
How can expressing biological fact be 'hateful'? This guy - as Helen says - illustrates exactly the problem that will be faced after next week
He probably likes putting on his wife's stockings at the weekend. I can only think the men that support this crap have ulterior motives, why else would they push against reality and the right to free speech so vehemently? Same old, same old, men trying to shut women down. Never ends well.
Same sex gay men and lesbians will be impacted too, as apparently hateful and offence to say a lesbian doesn't have a penis and a gay man doesn't have a vagina.
It can be hateful in the minds of the people who hear it. This law specifically makes the offence something that happens within a complainant's mind. It need not happen anywhere else. There is no provision in the law for "reasonable person", that legal fiction, to feel offence. Only the person who feels offence need feel it, for this law to be invoked.
@@puffin51 and the only way for the courts not to get completely flooded is for the police to pick their favourites.
@@puffin51So it is an entirely subjective 'crime.' It is like 'feeling' that someone has robbed a bank, and have the cops lock that person up without any further investigation.
Helen Joyce is absolutely fantastic, she is a beacon of light here and uses sheer common sense to express the insanity of this new law in Scotland. The people who actually voted for these idiots in my mind would be advised to ditch them as they are running Scotland down big time.
You probably voted for Boris Johnson did you.
@@NoMoreToriesAnymoreAt least he knows what a woman is.
@@NoMoreToriesAnymoreleast she didn't vote snp were sick too teeth laws and failures and stuff Scottish Independence
@NoMoreToriesAnymore and you probably think Karl Marx is a hero rather than the most evil man in history?
Helen Joyce,a book "Trans" is a fantastic book. A must read for anyone interested in human rights let alone the trans debate.
Wow, that got ugly! 😢. Helen is clear and eloquent as ever with that ignorant man and his personal incredulity fallacy proving her point.
@EmperorTalpa exactly
Trans woman is a man! No one can change into the other sex. Fact. Thank goodness we have someone like Helen on women’s side.
That was a great discussion. Thank you Talk TV for platforming this.
I don't think I have ever felt as scared as i have living through this awful, sinister climate.
@EmperorTalpa Yes. I've had enough. They can all go to hell.
@EmperorTalpaWhich is why this has gotten as far as it has. I'm glad to say I never bought into any of it.This hasn't just affected women, its affecting gays, kids and above all else the truth itself.
Helen is an absolute legend!❤
She really is
Helen is not a 'transphobe' - you're a misogynist, mate.
Not a single wavering moment even with that buffoon baiting her.
Indeed she is!!
Believing God changed His nature into a man produced atheism who began doing to themselves what christian ascribe to God. Its a Retribution.
Helen Joyce, you are a saint. I was angry watching that, so I really don't know how she kept so calm. Another masterclass in clarity, decency and restraint in the face of ad hominem attacks from an angry little man.
She is a saint! I began to yell at the screen just listening to his hateful opinion.
@@gabychats just makes me about his slimy, creepy defence of IW.
He is deluded and wrong on almost every subject .
The lefties always get angry and shout and use inflammatory language like 'hateful and transphobic'. Any sensible person uses logic and truth. We do not need to shout or get angry.
The so-called hate crime law is an utter disgrace.
I am embarrassed to be Scottish.
Don't be embarrassed to be Scottish. The SNP clowns are the ones who should be embarrassed and will be voted out next election.
Move to England under the corrupt tories then.
@@NoMoreToriesAnymore Squirrel
And Labour plan to do the same in England
And Trudeaus Liberals in Canada. Global crackdown on human rights and sex-based safe spaces for wommin and chilldren by pervies and preds.
This bill causes me fear and alarm so i want the government to be arrested
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me too.
So if one observes that the "emperor has no clothes" one has committed a "hate crime" - not because one is wrong - but rather because the emperor claims that you - "hurt his feelings." Amazing!
Yep, it’s that insane
After listening to Helen talking about all the problems women are facing with this law, all Matthew has to say is how dare she call IW a man!
Exactly. Cognitive dissonance!
While posturing that he was humble, as a man, on women's rights 😂🤡🤡🤡
Circus must be in town
I my opinion the only people who may require a certificate would be those born intersex. Anybody who has an able body of either sex cannot change the fact.
I suspect he’s wearing clown shoes under that desk.
Mathew also called her views hateful therefore him saying this proves exactly what is going to happen to Scottish women who won't surrender their sex based rights and culture which includes men misusing female language. Honestly, who'd have thought in 2024 a woman who dare speak the truth about women in plain and direct language could be classed as hate. The Scots who voted SNP should be ashamed.
Only someone full of hate could have created a law like this
It's nuts that a man thinks that being called a man is hateful...
When Helen speaks, I stop and listen.
Helen, the voice of reason as always. Well done.
@trinitybassguitar-ru6dzas are you thinking m are w all over the comments.
trinitybassguitar-ru6dz She’s only irrational to people who believe in delusions.
@Michelle-Davis Anyone who thinks a man is a woman is delusional.
Calling a man a man is not mis-gendering.
Mathew is so wrong. Of course India is a man, by saying he's a women is offensive to women. So stop being ridiculous Mathew. Also, HE is crossing women's boundaries if HE ever uses our spaces. This is not a trivial matter and it's vital that women can discuss it.
This Matthew character is an obnoxious fool and he was really annoying, women's right's are paramount and need to be protected, end of story !
And to keep him out of our spaces we need to be able to call him what he - a man.
What next it’s hateful to call a white person a white person if they ‘identify’ as black? It’s ridiculous and very disrespectful to the group the person claims to be part of when they clearly are not.
We should call no man a fool studios and franceseddles she is a woman and to her doctor and nobody else a transgender woman how dare you throw all that courageous woman has gone thru on the scrap heap.what have you done that supports women what effort have you made to improve the lives of others except to put dow someone so worthy of respect and dignity for the course sh3 has taken. The world of women are that much the better for accepting her and your hang ups with the male lable says more about you and little about her.
Matthew has made his position clear, that when women's rights and trans rights bump into each other, he supports men who believe they are women over women.
Humzah Yusaf will be the first conviction, rising from his "WHITE WHITE WHITE" rant.
I'm reporting him first of April
Hope everyone does
Is hatred of White people is palpable.
I think we all know the law will only apply to certain people.
Let's hope so. Useless is a dangerous clown.
Yes that was really jaw droppingly offensive. I felt insulted. As Maya Angelou said "When people show you who they are, believe them the first time".
Exactly. He should be the first in jail. He is sickening and an obviously racist.
Matthew illustrates the problem with the Scottish 'hate speech' law by describing as what Helen legally says as, 'hateful'.
Bravo
And by being ignorant about the law.
Yup. He immediately weaponised an unfounded claim to try and shut a woman up, which is what MANY men are doing to women thanks to laws like this.
Women are now in danger of men always manipulating language to get them into submission.
Mathew is not respectful of Women at all. He is simply a man's rights activist.
What a genius he is. Did not know what he was talking about and could not maintain one constant position.
How typical
@@billkosses3808 I think the fear in his eyes while Helen was talking was because he was frightened of being cancelled and so he thought he had better besmirch her to make him look good.
And he's saying that he's getting trolled on X a lot. I bet it's just women pointing out his misogyny whom he calls trolls.
It was when he referred to non-existent law, then said he respected "some women". Would that be the women who are actually men? He really doesn't get it because he is in the group with the least to lose. I'm not allowing entitled men to tell mw what a woman is or to take away my rights as a woman because some fetishistic men are impersonating women. It's not transphobic to point out this is a misogynist abusive cult.
Yep. He's a deeply intolerant, authoritarian men's rights activist, who has no respect for basic human rights, like freedom of speech, freedom of belief, and freedom of the press (ironic, since he IS "the press")...
....and also no respect for simple, evidence-based, biological fact...
Blasphemy laws is what this amounts to.
And there is only one club who is pushing that agenda.
Thank goodness for Helen and all the others that speak sense and reason.
Aaaaaaaaaagh it’s so annoying they are still not getting it!!!! Thank god for Helen!!! Misgendering is a made up crime it’s ridiculous. I’m so grateful Helen is so capable and willing to fight for us all. It must be exhausting. It’s exhausting bloody watching it. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ thank you so much.
Gender is already made up.
It’s frustrating! Of course they don’t get it because women invading their spaces isn’t seen as a threat for them personally. They probably also don’t feel threatened by trans women.
Well said Helen.
Who is that bloody bloke attacking Helen for telling the truth 🤯🤯🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
He’s the real life Alan Partidge
I don't know who he is either and I have no desire to find out. Dork! springs to mind.
"Bloke"? Are you assuming his species? He might be a monkey that identifies as human. In fact, the more I think about it ...
Best just ignore him he seems like a troublemaker.
A misogynist. Hiding behind a BS made up untruthful law.
Good on you Helen! No one can change their sex, so to the man telling us that everyone should have to go along with this delusion is unbelievable! I'll respect anyone who is living how they wish to live, but we don't have to be forced into that belief as well!
Nor do we have to accept the encroaching of trans identifying males
How is calling her male and shaming her on this forum showing respect. No one is forcing you but you seem comfortable calling her a male oblivious to the harm it may cause her, the shame the embarrassment she has taken a huge and courageous step to live her truth and should be admired and respected as a woman.
Helen Joyce is women's rights hero.
That is the problem, the use of language when saying willerby is a woman, no matter what piece of paper he has from any department is a man.
Men need to understand that they will never understand, he says he needs to be humble as a male, he absolutely is not.
Exactly. I'm assuming he's going to return to express his humility because I didn't see it in that segment
@@allisonmarie3602 Maybe he has a piece of paper certifying that he is "humble." After all, it's just another word.... to these bloody postmodernists. (Who are fast becoming old-fashioned)
Matthew is awful
TBH I feel sorry for some men because men like Mathew are not doing men in general any favours. Personally, I don't know one man in real life who would be happy to use female pronouns for a man in a dress let alone treat them as a literal woman. They wouldn't be rude they just wouldn't treat or view them as female. I know some men who can feel quite offended if they've got daughters etc. Like women this nonsense can make men feel uncomfortable.
"Needs to be humble to women"? But not to a real biological woman, just "transwomen" ie men?
Offence is taken, not given
And tras rake offence if you look at them "wrong"
@@JaneA544If you don't look at them and admire the stunning bravery.
@@dcollins4679🤢🤢
I fucking love Helen!❤
Helen is 100 per cent legend as is Kelly Jay Keen. I'm so grateful to these two women defending the rights of ordinary women.
No wonder women are losing their identity with so called ladies like you using that kind of language for absolutely no reason at all, I can understand females using that language if provoked,but to use it in normal text shows you have no class at all.
Helen another great person talking sence well said ladies a man's a man no matter what, this hate law is just stupid
As usual, Helen is magnificent in her defence of women's rights and just to reiterate, men can never become women.
Mathew is part of the problem
that guy is a disgrace
Hear, hear Helen Joyce.
The way Helen stays calm in the face of such ignorance and, although I hate the term, "mansplaining", is so admirable. This assertion that refusing to deny biological fact is in some way hateful has got to stop.
I am offended by this law! I am offended that Scotland has lost it’s political mind!
It has already happened, males identifying as women in female jails. Women safeguarding concerns don't matter in Scotland. I stand with Helen Joyce and say that India is a biological male who has XY chromosomes. I stand by biological sex facts. I will not be forced to tell untruths.
Hear, hear.
Untruths unless we're talking F->M transitioners in which case it's all good right? 😂
@Some_Cat_ you cannot transition either way. Your chromosomes don't change.
@@user-cm7kt9xp8kI mean physically not genetically. People have operations and hormone therapy to transition because their brains are telling them they are in the wrong body. Obviously you can't do anything about chromosomes but that doesn't make transitioners liars.
@Some_Cat_ I believe in objective truth. Whether someone believes they are in the wrong body or not, it does not change facts. Males cannot transition. Just because someone believes in a delusion does not mean I should be forced to believe in their delusion. Facts matter more than feelings. I will not follow the new gender ideology religion.
Anyone else just completely unable to get over how bizarre and stupid this whole thing is? And how it just came out of nowhere suddenly about ten years ago, prior to which this just wasn't a thing, and now half the population is on board with it. It's just _weird,_ it's like being in the Twilight Zone.
Matthew tried to intimidate Helen by saying the law forbade her to call India Willoughby a man, then swiftly backtracked when he realised she knows the law a lot better than he does. This is why the police are having their time wasted by malicious complainants because most people don't know the law very well.
Helen rocks! Women's rights are under attack and thank goodness women like Helen are able to speak the truth!
Matthew Staddlen needs to explain why gender ID has gone too far. Either trans women should shave in front of terrified young girls in a women's changing room - or they should not. And if not, then what does he think is the difference between a trans woman and the usual occupants of that space? And he needs to give his answer without being 'hateful'.
apparently the government can define a male into a female.
You mean a man who says he’s a woman. Don’t let these men steal our word, don’t call them transwomen!
Go Helen don't let that man speak over you!
The fact that that guy just gave a real time demonstration of the issues Helen and Sex Matters are trying to highlight went clear over his head and the scariest thing was his utter conviction that he was right in what he was saying and his entitlement to scold a grown woman on this issue. Terrifying.
The sad fact is that a lot of people have been inculcated into a culture which denies the existence of objective truth, i.e. there is no such thing as 'the' truth - as established by demonstrable, verifiable facts - but only 'my' truth. People raised in this nonsense believe that when stating their own opinion, they are stating 'my' truth which must be offered unconditional respect and must never be challenged or dismissed or gainsaid. Therefore stating the biological truth about men and women is no defence against legal fiction or one's own feelings. If you think it's bad now, hang around for 10 years. I guarantee it will be a million times worse.
That bloke’s a jerk.
Labour Luvvie he is.
Well done Helen. It’s vital to continue to tell the truth.
Thank goodness we have recently scrapped the hate speech law proposals in NZ
Helen is right, she is a beacon of light in the current trans culture war.
The late Christopher Hitchens nailed it: “You are offended, so what? I’m still waiting to hear your argument.”
Calling someone transphobic is hateful! This law is insane, hate is subjective and actually human nature. The man on panel, has so offended me and as a woman I feel like he hates women and condones the mistreatment of women.
The fact that this man calls Helen Joyce hateful shows once again how much the gender ideologues and the people manipulated by them argue with feelings/interpretations and not with facts. By the way: I have never seen Helen Joyce speak or write in a hateful way.
I don't believe anybody has succumbed to manipulation given the reality everyone knows what a woman and a man is and that includes so-called ideologues and their supporters. Why else do you think they fight so hard to stop women defending women? IMO some people just don't view females as equal to men in social policy, law and culture. Years ago these people didn't have a government back ideology but now they do.
Exactly, how can we have this conversation about women's spaces if we call India a woman? for example "Transwomen like India need to stay out of single sex spaces because India is a woman!" See, it doesn't work because when we're discussing the reasons why we need single sex spaces etc we need to acknowledge the biological reality because that is the reason we have them in the first place.
These days telling the truth is considered hateful, which is rediculous
Pure shadow projection
@@taraelizabethdensley9475 putting her down calling her a male on this public forum, shaming her embarrassing her and that’s not hateful.she has had to earn the right to be called woman,she has courageously claimed that right at the expense of walking as a leper in society because of these hateful comments.she deserves a medal .
❤Helen Joyce ❤
Let's hear it for Helen and her concerns for women
Go Helen, this nonsense must stop
Actually "misgendering " would use she/her to a man . Sex based pronouns are the right ones .
Yes, just because some people choose to misgender themselves doesn't mean the rest of us have to join in.
They are the most immutable and therefore most stable and useful.
It’s a shame she has to resort to going on talk tv because no other mainstream media will have her on.
She’s on so many RUclips channels. We need her in the US to testify before congress. The problem with the human mind is that it will cling to beliefs over facts. Watch that man get triggered because this goes against his beliefs. Helen states facts and because of his deeply held beliefs, he escalates the confrontation. He’s angrier with each fact that is stated. He lost this debate.
Ohh, I heard it's because she's a far-right extremist. Maybe it's because she was so vocally against the Brooming Gangs as were all 5he other feminist orgs
Helen is wonderful!!!!
Thanks Helen for battling the misogynist bloke.
People should be allowed to say what they like. This is not what the police are for. Also, non crime hate is total sh*te.
It's restriction of thought and creating thought crimes. Something North Korea knows a thing or two about. I never thought the time would come where you could compare Scotland to North Korea in any way but here we are.
Mathew in this debate has seriously dangerous ideas.. Its chillng.. Worse than 1984. And its even more chilling that he has no idea how chilling his ideas are!!
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He is typical Labour, and of course if his beloved Labour get in to power, hecwill be really cock a hoop? Labour will carry on with this debacle.
I find that claiming a man is a woman is misogynistic. Can I also make non hate crime complaints against that bloke?
Will probably only work in one direction.
Worth a try. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Exactly that. I find that men pantomiming women and insisting others affirm their fantasies and fetishes to be the worst sort of harassment and infringement of freedom. It's a targeted hate crime against women. It's compelling others to enjoin in any stranger's offensive & deviant behaviors.
Not as it’s written, because women are not one of the categories that is explicitly listed as protected in the act
Which is worrying. On the 1st April there will be lots of complaints about JKR.
Mathew Stadlen complains about getting grief on Twitter, then demonstrates just how ready he is to call people "hateful and transphobic". The two couldn't be related, could they?
Just what I was thinking.
Can dish it but not take it.
Helen Joyce is a legend
The people shouting " thats hateful " are the ones full of hate
I stand with Helen, she fights for the truth. I hope she will be safe. That's nuts that this Matthew guy is jumping on her for the sake of virtue signalling.
P.S.: Something being written on a piece of paper doesn't make it truth. Grown man should know better
Who was the individual politician, or politicians that initially proposed and drafted this law? Who were the backers of this? They should all be named so the people can deal with them appropriately at the ballot box by voting them out.
The legislation was proposed by the Scottish Government (SNP with support of Scottish Greens) and was passed by the Scottish Parliament in 2021. It had the support of both the Scottish Labour Party, the Scottish Lib Dems and most of the Scottish Conservatives. Who is there left to vote for?
He had no argument only name-calling. He did not put any defence up at all other than ‘it’s the law, transphobic, hateful, waaaa!’😤😭
Thankful to all panelists and I very much disagree with the gentleman who interrupted at the end to say that calling India Willoughby a man is offensive and hateful. India is a man because India is an adult human male. Criminalising people for speaking the truth is absolutely insane and has no place in our legal system.
It will be very interesting to see what happens when people living outside Scotland and not subject to Scots law think when they begin to fall foul of this legislation. As Helen correctly pointed out, not living in Scotland is no defence against the provisions of this law. Police Scotland can record a non-crime hate incident against you regardless of where you live. It may well provoke a campaign to force independence on Scotland by the rest of the United Kingdom. Not that this is what the SNP wants of course. Oh no, I couldn't possibly be that cynical.
Why is Matthew so spiteful? Why?
Hmmmmm, yes, has one wondering for sure?👌
He's a Feminist
Labour Luvvie.
Humza anti white speech caused me alarm, he needs to be prosected. Scotish people, lay your complaints.
That guy absolutely demonstrates how dangerous this is. He says Helen is being hateful by stating fact, India is a man. It’s fact. India can live how they choose but it is not right to force other people ( women) to be involved in the fantasy. So he says it’s hateful, under the Scottish law coming on April 1st he could complain to the police and Helen arrested. This is purely his opinion. My opinion is she is being truthful. Can he truly not see that by calling a man a woman give us a lot less power by then saying we don’t want them in our space. If I as a woman said I don’t want India Willoughby in my rest room because I believe “SHE’ a man, the she lessens the argument.
why can't we have our identity and our feelings protected and our offense taken into account? why do we have to be silent and do as we are told? why are we the one area not protected in law when we are protected in the international human rights bill that this country is a signatory to.
@@GreatSageSunWukong Because (as every advocate for this nonsense reverts to when beaten with facts) "kindness" apparently. We're supposed to overlook that forcing this on women is not in actual fact "kind"
@@allisonmarie3602 yeah we all know thats double speak
@@GreatSageSunWukong Because in doing so you are taking away women’s rights! It’s not okay for men to come into our space. Never was okay and never will be okay.
REPEAL THE GRA! Helen is fantastic 😊.
It's a DISCRACE that trans are protected but NOT women !
The SNP should be prosecuted for hate against people who are ethnically British.
Helen = Hero
india willoughby is a biological male and for me to say that is protected by law.
He should not be allowed to change his documentation, because if he became involved physically with another biological male, without divulging he is a 'trans' woman, he could seriously affect that mans mental health.
No sober, sane and truly straight man with eye-sight will be tricked (I'd argue blind men even less, as I would think blind people focus more on voices and are even beter at discerning male from female voices, but that is speculation on my part). Pressured, blackmailed, yeah, but not tricked.
The brain is really good at sniffing out frauds. And in my limited experience, male straightness is basically non-negotiable. As in, a straight woman will be much more open to the idea of fooling around with another woman. A straight man wouldn't make out with his best male friend if you paid him a million bucks for it (on average).
India might have some staged photos where he passes well, but in reality ... I've seen two of such specimens IRL.
They were put together very well, dressed well (as in the clothes were fitted well), clearly had a lot of work done (including huge boob implants)... and yet my brain (straight female speaking, at that time very unaware of the whole trans thing) immediately picked up that something was off, and as soon as they spoke, despite clearly making an effort to sound feminine, I was certain. And an about 5 year old boy also was confused, as he innocently asked 'are you a man or a woman'. To be fair, they were very chill about it, albeit it still a creepy cosplay of what those (clearly gay) men thought womanhood is.
And the truth is, most of them aren't that high-effort. Just recently, I noticed an obvious balding man in horrible female clothes (ill-fitting, not matching) from around 100m away when I was just walking home from the shops. I don't pay attention to people walking past me, yet my brain immediately picked up this abnormality in my peripheral vision, just from his silhouette, his walk. Yes he was tall and tall scews male, but I never mistook a tall woman for a man.
1984 was not meant to be handbook
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Aw! Little Matty is rattled! Poor little petal! Pathetic!
He's thick skinned though🙄
Pathetic! Absolutely! I don't even believe he believes what he says.
I must confess I did have to chuckle! Matthew was just done saying how very thick-skinned he was and then started foaming at the mouth when Helen said something he disagreed with. All you have to do is label your opponent 'phobic' and you don't have to produce any logical, reasonable or rational statements.
Stand strong, Helen. You are doing what we are too scared to do!
Vote all of those politicians out of office!
Thank you, Helen! You are at beam of light and logic, integrity and brilliance.
Good for you, Helen!
Helen what a voice of logic. God bless her🙏
Thank God for people like Helen Joyce.
This government is a complete embarrassment to the Scotland and the sooner they are out of power the better, and this is from someone who supports Scottish Independence.
Well said Helen Joyce!
what an utter mess. close holyrood.
Helen is a gem.
God love him that Matthew chap got owned by two excellent females
Helen Joyce, rational, sane and calm as ever, in spite of the nastiness of that other guest!
Call it what it is the SNPs Anti-human rights bill
If I was a criminal I would be heading for Scotland as the police will be too busy investigating these "crimes" to do any proper police work.
Cloe and Helen are fantastic. Matthew is very much the opposite
So, on Sunday, if you live in Scotland make up a list of SNP MPs and mass report every little thing they've said as offensive, and every Scottish tra for every homophobic and threatening thing they've ever said on twitter.
Not old fashioned transphobia 🙄 Reality matters, as Chloe put so clearly.
The SNP needs to be voted out in every single seat across Scotland. Like, yesterday...
Trouble is, if you vote Labour in power, it will carry on.
Stating the truth is not hateful.
In Canada we have the same problem, bill c63. People don't want this law to pass, it will cause too much abuse. Changing the definition of hate speech opens the door to censorship.
They can’t define hate though. “Could create fear or alarm” might be anything. If someone tells me the building’s on fire, is that a hate crime?
"Can I jump in here to lecture and police Helen on her language" 😂
Matthew Stadlen brags about how "thick skinned" he is, but then instantly starts clutching his pearls and is seemingly almost brought to tears by Helen stating simple biological facts.😂
Love these ladies ❤❤
This ill thought out legislation will only result in the settling of old scores.
Helen Joyce, you have my support and love. Keep up the good work ❤