FAST FWD using video TIME POINTS in notes below. CREATE your own SCOTT SCORE criteria to examine the floor plans you like the best. DOWNLOAD FREE TOOLKIT at gosmalllivelarge.com/shopping-toolkit-workshee More info and IN-PERSON EVENTS at www.GoSmallLiveLarge.com Thx for watching, commenting & subscribing :)
Hi Scott: We traded our 21 Travato KL for the 2022 Nova 20C Li3. I was so afraid that it was a mistake after thinking about the Nova's storage, but wow, we have realized that this machine is awesome. The refrigerator has the best storage of any RV we have ever owned. You would also be amazed what we have been able to fit in the back. It is deceiving. It has turned out to be my favorite rv, and we have had A Lot of RV's over the years. Coachman did a great job and we could not be more happy. And go Sunshine State RV, an excellent company to deal with. Love your videos, keep them coming.
Hi Carol, I am considering a Nova 20C Li3. What all can you fit in the back? I assume you mean behind the back seat. Will two carry on suitcases fit back there? Just trying to figure out the size of the back storage. Also what is your take on having to make and unmake the bed everyday? I'm not thrilled about that aspect. Thanks!
@@stephanieslack3207 There is way more storage that I could have imagined. My husband puts the bed together at night and takes it down in the morning (yay). We have a duvet cover that fits over a 1-1/2" memory foam. He rolls it up like a sleeping bag and it fits behind the seat along with our two king sized pillows. He made a platform behind the couch which keeps the bedding from falling down to the bottom of the floor. It doesn't get in the way when we put the bed down, but allows for so much more storage below that platform. If you didn't have the bedroll, you could most likely fit soft suitcases.
@@zoflo728 We love our van. We’ve been on the road for 5 months now and love it! Easy to drive and park. So far our style of traveling is “camp to travel” in the next couple years we may change to “travel to camp”. If that becomes true, we will look for a bigger rig
How do you like your Nova 20D with pop up? Although I would not require the pop-up, wondering about how the van handles, and parks in a supermarket space, that kind of thing. Looks like a great way for seniors to get around. A big congratulations to you! -Tim
@@NFL1976 Sure, here’s my honest review... I flew from New York to Texas in late April 2024 to purchase a brand new 2024 Coachmen Nova 20D with a pop-top. However, I regretted the purchase from the first day I drove it home. I reported the issues to Coachmen and tried to contact the service centers they recommended for warranty service, but none of them responded. Fortunately, I found a Forest River authorized RV service center in my area through Google, and I have a service appointment scheduled for July 9th. The problems I've encountered so far are as follows, and I don't know what other issues might arise in the future: 1. The pop-top has been leaking water since day one. 2. The shower curtain track was not installed when I picked it up, so Coachmen sent the curtain track parts, and I had to install it myself at home. 3. The induction cooktop shows an E-1 error and doesn't work. 4. The roof window bug screen won't retract properly. 5. The A/C only works when connected to shore power and only on cool and high mode; it doesn't work while driving or when parked without shore power. 6. The generator doesn't turn on from the control unit panel. 7. Last week, I received a recall notice from the NHTSA stating that the solar panel may detach from the pop-top roof. In addition to the leak, the pop-top is very difficult to open and close (that's why you won't find any videos of the pop-top version being opened or closed on RV RUclips channels). It feels heavy to lift! Also, the space in the pop-top is very limited in height, making it suitable only for sleeping, not for sitting. However, I really love the exterior look and interior finish quality of the Coachmen Nova. One thing I truly miss is a roof fan. It would be great to have a MaxFan for quick air circulation, after using the bathroom or cooking but there isn't one because it's the pop-top version. I had planned to travel the West Coast this summer. However, after a few local day trips as test runs, I have no confidence in taking a long road trip with the Coachmen RV. Due to all these issues with my brand new Coachmen RV, I will not recommend Coachmen in the future. 😔
@@NFL1976 Sure, here’s my honest review... I flew from New York to Texas in late April 2024 to purchase a brand new 2024 Coachmen Nova 20D with a pop-top. However, I regretted the purchase from the first day I drove it home. I reported the issues to Coachmen and tried to contact the service centers they recommended for warranty service, but none of them responded. Fortunately, I found a Forest River authorized RV service center in my area through Google, and I have a service appointment scheduled for July 9th. The problems I've encountered so far are as follows, and I don't know what other issues might arise in the future: 1. The pop-top has been leaking water since day one. 2. The shower curtain track was not installed when I picked it up, so Coachmen sent the curtain track parts, and I had to install it myself at home. 3. The induction cooktop shows an E-1 error and doesn't work. 4. The roof window bug screen won't retract properly. 5. The A/C only works when connected to shore power and only on cool and high mode; it doesn't work while driving or when parked without shore power. 6. The generator doesn't turn on from the control unit panel. 7. Last week, I received a recall notice from the NHTSA stating that the solar panel may detach from the pop-top roof. In addition to the leak, the pop-top is very difficult to open and close (that's why you won't find any videos of the pop-top version being opened or closed on RV RUclips channels). It feels heavy to lift! Also, the space in the pop-top is very limited in height, making it suitable only for sleeping, not for sitting. However, I really love the exterior look and interior finish quality of the Coachmen Nova. One thing I truly miss is a roof fan. It would be great to have a MaxFan for quick air circulation, after using the bathroom or cooking but there isn't one because it's the pop-top version. I had planned to travel the West Coast this summer. However, after a few local day trips as test runs, I have no confidence in taking a long road trip with the Coachmen RV. Due to all these issues with my brand new Coachmen RV, I will not recommend Coachmen in the future.
@@NFL1976 Sure, here’s my honest review... I flew from New York to Texas in late April 2024 to purchase a brand new 2024 Coachmen Nova 20D with a pop-top. However, I regretted the purchase from the first day I drove it home. I reported the issues to Coachmen and tried to contact the service centers they recommended for warranty service, but none of them responded. Fortunately, I found a Forest River authorized RV service center in my area through Google, and I have a service appointment scheduled for July 9th. The problems I've encountered so far are as follows, and I don't know what other issues might arise in the future: 1. The pop-top has been leaking water since day one. 2. The shower curtain track was not installed when I picked it up, so Coachmen sent the curtain track parts, and I had to install it myself at home. 3. The induction cooktop shows an E-1 error and doesn't work. 4. The roof window bug screen won't retract properly. 5. The A/C only works when connected to shore power and only on cool and high mode; it doesn't work while driving or when parked without shore power. 6. The generator doesn't turn on from the control unit panel. 7. Last week, I received a recall notice from the NHTSA stating that the solar panel may detach from the pop-top roof. In addition to the leak, the pop-top is very difficult to open and close (that's why you won't find any videos of the pop-top version being opened or closed on RV RUclips channels). It feels heavy to lift! Also, the space in the pop-top is very limited in height, making it suitable only for sleeping, not for sitting. However, I really love the exterior look and interior finish quality of the Coachmen Nova. One thing I truly miss is a roof fan. It would be great to have a MaxFan for quick air circulation, after using the bathroom or cooking but there isn't one because it's the pop-top version. I had planned to travel the West Coast this summer. However, after a few local day trips as test runs, I have no confidence in taking a long road trip with the Coachmen RV. Somehow my initial reply is now showing, so reposted my honest review of my Nova w/ pop-top.
@@NFL1976 It seems like my honest review keep getting deleted because they are negative... I just wanted to share my honest experience with people who are considering buying Coachmen Nova w/ pop-top in the future...
The first thing you could do is get a larger lagune table - easy fix! Thanks for the well thought out video - you're easily one of the best RV RUclipsrs.
Thank you Scott, We have looked at that very Nova Li3 up there at Sunshine State RV and chatted with a number of folks up there also. We love the Nova because of the extra passenger option . However we’re not quite ready to give up on our 2022 Travato. Yet. We appreciate the Shopping Tool Kit download. Thanks again for all of your guidance.
Thank you for the real life critique of the RV vans. I appreciate your well thought out criteria and you taking the time to make and share the videos with the RUclips world.
I just want to say thank you for doing such great videos on class B's. My partner and I have been shopping for a class b and your videos have been so helpful for us to narrow down the list of contenders. One idea for future videos would be to include the dimensions of the bathrooms. Most manufacturers don't put that info on their website and I haven't seen many walk-thru videos where that's covered. Thanks again!
great review- from my experiences in Japan the bathroom will work perfectly if you sit down on the toilet and use the hand extension. sitting showers are kind of cool.
You are one of my top two reviewers. I especially like your comments on both single and couple users, very helpful! Just came home from a rail trip and the wet room toilet/shower were uncomfortably small. I like the focus you put on the bathroom. Thanks.
Scott I think the point you docked because of the separate black and gray dump is a little harsh. It does have a black tank flush and the largest black water capacity in any class b I’ve seen. 19 gal of black.
I agree with you on the lack of garage storage and it’s a deal killer for me. But what a solid interior and feature set! Seems like a comfortable place to be with good systems.
I really like the Scott score! It allows a person to compare different scores they have assessed to make a more informed decision based on criteria. Awesome work Scott. Thank you
The Lagun table need a swing out table extender...I have the Norcold dual compressor refer in my Embassy and it stores a LOT of stuff, especially the lower drawer. I was amazed on my Florida trip that I could add a small bag of ice to all my other frozen goods.
Scott, I would love to see a video on bedding options for these styles of vans. There are many of these drop-down bed options but have never seen anybody discuss how to equip the bed and store the linens.
Great idea. I use a fitted bottom sheet from target in the twin XL size. It fits and works perfectly. There is no storing of linens in the van. It’s the sheets on the bed that you use and then wash and put back on the bed.
This one is on my short list also. No one ever talks about the water tanks capacity on these vans but to me ; how much fresh water I can take on board and how large or small the black and grey tanks are is very important ! Having all the hookups outside and larger capacity tanks than the Travatos is what would make me pull the trigger on this one . I don't want to have to open the back doors to hook up city water etc.. ! 2019 and older Travatos were better in that regard as far as I'm concerned but coachmen still carries more fresh water . I will be doing a lot of boondocking in remote places and you never have enough fresh water on those adventures .Great job grading that van. PS : You are right . It does need a second lagun table in the back.
Hi Eric. Thx for your points. My onboard 18 gallons of fresh water combined with 6 gallon of portable water in “garage storage” last me (solo) about 7-10 days. I use onboard for sink and toilet first supplementing portable for drinking. Easier to fill portable water storage.
Great video Scott, one of the best videos you’ve ever done. Great information. Especially for someone like myself who is going to be retiring soon and will be doing the van life. 😃
Regarding storage, you could stow a cat box or dog kennel in the bathroom? Also that sink could hold some of your toiletries. As far as hand washing, use the kitchen sink?
Welcome to Go Small. Live Large! Thrilled you are here. Plates are by HydroFlask. Did you see this video I did staying in a parking lot Urban Camping, ruclips.net/video/DamOaRoTs0Q/видео.html
Love this Class B van, love your scoring system and I agree with all your comments. Thanks for making and sharing another great informative video. Also thanks for the shoot out to the military.
@@gosmall.livelarge Meet up this weekend. What better time? I am waiting for my Dolphin S (end of this this year) and not changing my mind, but would love to hear your review, especially with some of the new changes
👍👍👍 Thank you, Scott. I am ready to drive there and would love to get it asap. Have to figure out the 6" clearance. We have 9'8" to work with in height. I appreciate your doing this today as I pretty much know it's either this or the Gallleria. It all hinges on my husband's long legs. Love your program! We are only a couple of hours away.
Thank you for your review. I think you were pretty generous. I watched a review on coachman. And I wasn't impressed on the way. They wrothey rushed. I'm putting things together. Meaning they're electrical. I wish you would have done something like when the air conditioner. It made coffee at the same time. Also they could have used The space in the bathroom much better
Thanks for an awesome thorough scoring system and review. We have a 20c Li3 on order and even though we’ve been in one, your measurements and comments are very useful. We are holding out for a 22 chassis and 23 unit so may b a while but this info is really really useful!! Appreciate your efforts!
Very practical way to grade the spaces. Your experience living in a class b definitely shows. My only suggestion is you should incorporate carrying capacity into the score. Please show the CCC on the yellow sticker, carrying capacity matters, especially in a class b.
Thx David. If you’re shopping for a Camper Van, create your own criteria using the Toolkit & Worksheet … gosmalllivelarge.com/shopping-toolkit-workshee
I changed up the bedding setup in my Beyond, so that I can have a living space during the day. Went from using a Beddy and keeping the bed made up (day bed during the day) to using a Duvalay and putting the seat back up during the day - gained a foot of space. It does mean having to make up the bed each night - class Bs mean trade-offs lol!! So for that floorplan Nova C and Beyond C, the duvalay makes a great option. It's comfortable and easy to roll up and store behind the seat during the day.
Scott I'm sure you are familiar with different and limited floor plans in a Class B van. There are other manufacturers with the same layout but might have some things in different locations. And the same floor plan on a different chassis, van. Could you do a comparison? Maybe on a different van such as a Sprinter,the bathroom would be a little larger. There are few with the front seat and table like yours.
I like the Nova 20 C . Travato doesn't offer this floor plan. I also consider the firefly system to be a great feature. The genny (Onan QG 2800 i )can be programmed for various demands and has an auto start feature (for one's furry friends, etc.). I've read about too many failures of the new all battery systems to totally rely on them with out a generator. Therefore, I would go with the non lithium version (saving $10,000 plus) and add my own lithium battery system later.
Love tour refrigerator criteria. There is so much you could do to make that bathroom better. A nautilus door for instance. A bit of a garage would be nice too. Maybe make the bed/couch a smidge higher?
It’s very smart and well thought out. The closet/pantry areas actually look usable. I’m not sure what the engineering decisions were for taking up an *entire* overhead storage area for the electronics and gauges and such. Travato manages to do it on the wall and not use up valuable storage space, but I’m not gonna second guess engineering decisions and systems and what lies behind that storage area. Could be a ton of electronic spaghetti and control boxes. Still and all, though, there’s a lot of storage in this. And I love the bathroom - much more than a Travato G‘s. And if you want a second bed for a smaller person, you could get one of those inflatable ones that they sell for the Solis that go across the cab seats. I like it!
Thanks for such a great tour of this unit. It has a couple nice points, but for my use too many deal breakers! I think the bathroom is a very poor design for multiple reasons, don't like a bed I have to mess with every day, kitchen sink is too small to do dishes, no exterior storage is the biggest problem. I question the plexiglass windows. Easily scratched?
Great video. We were wondering, what do you mean by "wrapping" the RV? We are also wondering what is the distance below the generator on a non-lithium Nova 20C? Thanks!
Hi Steven. Appreicate your comment. I wrapped my Winnebago Travato with a vinyl “sticker’ turning it from a standard silver Promaster van to a one-of-a-kind-on-earth Camper Van. Cost $5K, and will do it again on my next van. No clue on distance as that rig did not have a generator
I get lagoon table is small.. but I prefer small one..best if it was able to open up to be bigger for eating for 2. Are there options for a fold out one?
Fine review as an experienced class b owner could provide. I do like the wood work, cabinets and good taste exhibited in this van. Quality materials throughout. I am not sure about the electric bed in the back as my tendency is to go with something like the Thor A model class b's. With those, the rear bed folds down and is probably a lot easier to set up and the end of a travel day. Again, good review and i hope to see more from you.
Love my Li3 and Aventa, however Firefly, Coachmen and Truma are having an issue getting the Aventa and Firefly to work together, the remote will control the AC but there is no thermostat connected so it is either off or on. Still love it just a little inconvenient.
hubby saw this plan and loved the layout. we can't wait to watch this video! I'm very curious if the Lithium package is good. We are the family with 3 adults and dog traveling to dog events. Finding out that there is a Luno air mattress for the front is a game changer
Hi Scott! These reviews are quite helpful! It must be "the new math": there is NO garage storage (a typical trade-off for rear couch floorplans?), yet you gave the Nova a full six points for storage!? (And yes, I agree there is fantastic storage for smaller items and that the cabinetry is stunning!) Also, I recognize that these are your criteria and that you have set this up so that each of us can develop our own criteria; nevertheless, an RV is a vehicle; is it just my eyes, or is it the case that the bath is so far forward that the driver's seat can not be both full aft travel and a reasonable amount of recline? (For me, if the driving position isn't comfortable, that is an absolute deal breaker).
Are there brush guards that work with the lane keep assist, adaptive cruise sensors? I would think you would have to be very carful not to interfere with sensors
No personal experience with that as my Promaster does not have that function. I prefer to travel the back roads VS freeways, so adaptive cruise would not matter anyway . Thx for watching !
Scott on that back bed, Can it be slightly reclined or is it all or nothing? Thx for your help deciding, a year or two out but never to early to learn.
Very good review with real world examples of what makes it liveable. From looking at the recent Travato price sheet on the 2023 with 2022 chassis, it looks like the new chassis will add about $13k to price. I think it's worth it. Were the cushions comfortable when you laid down? Scott you need to get an icemaker to take along!
Scott, I really like this video; good approach to evaluating an RV. I would add two more categories. Category 1 electrical systems, whether I can use USB outlets or 12V without turning on the invertor. Does it have a charging alternator to use the AC even for a short while? Category 2, four seasons, can I drive the RV to go skiing without fear that the black tank may explode. Good job! 👍👍👍!!!
I’m just wondering if that new nine speed transmission gets any better miles per gallon? I was thinking about getting this particular RV, but I’m leery of this new nine speed transmission the first year it’s out in the pro master. Also what are the pros and cons for the Winnebago Travato, versus coachman Nova 20 C?
Hi Kevin. Haven’t tried the new transmission on Promaster. Pros n Cons on those two brands… I have done a couple of videos on that. Please search my YT Channel for those videos. go see them at the dealers too. Here is a video… ruclips.net/video/7Qm9c4mz0y4/видео.html on the Nova
Hi Steve. Not sure about the Nova 20C, but in my Travato 59GL using my Volta lithium system with a 8,600 watt storage battery I routinely get the A/C running on a single charge of 10-12 hours in a comfy interior
I did a lithium power test for my Nova 20C Li3 and got about 4.5 hours with a very long recharge rate. The video is up on my channel. The Coachmen brochure states 10 hrs of AC runtime* and Nick stated in an interview I did with him (also on my channel if you are curious) that it should do 8 hours minimum in 80-90 degree weather with sun and humidity included. I have unfortunately not seen numbers anywhere close to this.
An unusual question for you. Are there any Class B vans that can be towed behind another RV, class C or A? Best scenario would be a van with a driveshaft disconnect so that it can be towed flat on all fours without using a transmission pump.
Hmmm I politely disagree, Even with smaller plates the table set for two to enjoy a meal together = not fun. Maybe you have the Nova 20C and can coach me and others ?
A A … didnt forget at all. Those are not MY criteria for a van. that is why I provided a Worksheet for you to determine your “Scott Score” criteria to judge a van.. gosmalllivelarge.com/van-shopping-toolkit Thx for commenting
Come on, it's a 20ft Class B not a 30 ft Class C or travel trailer. So, yeah there are going to be compromises in some areas. I think this would be a perfectly acceptable 2 person rig. It's not a family coach and isn't intended to be.
I like the Nova, I just don’t want the length. My Silos Pocket is the ideal length for me as a single traveler. I have no interest in a shower with in my van as I prefer to have a membership at planet fitness.
This is not very useful. All the stuff you mentioned is something that can be changed. Plates? Dining, what is important T is how the van drives. Nobody and I mean nobody discusses, passing, uphill, handling parking backing up, wind, bumps etc.
The bathroom is a huge waste of space in this van. The toilet looks uncomfortable to use (for me), No storage in the bathroom, and the bed, would get super old to make it up every day, Plus no storage in the garage, well, actually no garage for the grill or a kayak (folding) or tools. That is a huge no-no. Terrible floorplan for me, and the solar panels are flat ones, who know how many watts they are, but they aren't the traditional solar ... I'd give this van 50 points, the fridge is great, sink-in the galley is small, the induction cooktop, I prefer to cook with gas. But I suppose it would be ok. So... Yeah, 50 points. So the pros would be, a lithium battery, fridge, and awesome cabinets and drawers... Excellent walkable floorplan but I'd rather have the Winnebago 59K. Than this.
FAST FWD using video TIME POINTS in notes below. CREATE your own SCOTT SCORE criteria to examine the floor plans you like the best. DOWNLOAD FREE TOOLKIT at gosmalllivelarge.com/shopping-toolkit-workshee More info and IN-PERSON EVENTS at www.GoSmallLiveLarge.com Thx for watching, commenting & subscribing :)
Hi Scott:
We traded our 21 Travato KL for the 2022 Nova 20C Li3. I was so afraid that it was a mistake after thinking about the Nova's storage, but wow, we have realized that this machine is awesome. The refrigerator has the best storage of any RV we have ever owned. You would also be amazed what we have been able to fit in the back. It is deceiving. It has turned out to be my favorite rv, and we have had A Lot of RV's over the years. Coachman did a great job and we could not be more happy. And go Sunshine State RV, an excellent company to deal with.
Love your videos, keep them coming.
Hi Carol. Thx for sharing. Glad you are thrilled with your Nova 20c
Hi Carol, I am considering a Nova 20C Li3. What all can you fit in the back? I assume you mean behind the back seat. Will two carry on suitcases fit back there? Just trying to figure out the size of the back storage. Also what is your take on having to make and unmake the bed everyday? I'm not thrilled about that aspect. Thanks!
@@stephanieslack3207 There is way more storage that I could have imagined. My husband puts the bed together at night and takes it down in the morning (yay). We have a duvet cover that fits over a 1-1/2" memory foam. He rolls it up like a sleeping bag and it fits behind the seat along with our two king sized pillows. He made a platform behind the couch which keeps the bedding from falling down to the bottom of the floor. It doesn't get in the way when we put the bed down, but allows for so much more storage below that platform. If you didn't have the bedroll, you could most likely fit soft suitcases.
I love "SCOTT SCORE", so well thought out! I can't wait for the next one! You could consider making one for the Wingamm Oasi 540!
Cool idea on Wingamm
We pick up our Nova 20C this week!
Hi Peggy. So excited for you !!!! Let us know how things go!
@@gosmall.livelarge will do!
A year later, what is your experience so far?
@@zoflo728 We love our van. We’ve been on the road for 5 months now and love it! Easy to drive and park. So far our style of traveling is “camp to travel” in the next couple years we may change to “travel to camp”. If that becomes true, we will look for a bigger rig
Thanks for your honest review. I just bought a 2024 Coachmen Nova 20D with Pop Top and now eagerly awaiting my pick-up date in two weeks.
How do you like your Nova 20D with pop up? Although I would not require the pop-up, wondering about how the van handles, and parks in a supermarket space, that kind of thing. Looks like a great way for seniors to get around. A big congratulations to you! -Tim
@@NFL1976 Sure, here’s my honest review...
I flew from New York to Texas in late April 2024 to purchase a brand new 2024 Coachmen Nova 20D with a pop-top. However, I regretted the purchase from the first day I drove it home.
I reported the issues to Coachmen and tried to contact the service centers they recommended for warranty service, but none of them responded. Fortunately, I found a Forest River authorized RV service center in my area through Google, and I have a service appointment scheduled for July 9th.
The problems I've encountered so far are as follows, and I don't know what other issues might arise in the future:
1. The pop-top has been leaking water since day one.
2. The shower curtain track was not installed when I picked it up, so Coachmen sent the curtain track parts, and I had to install it myself at home.
3. The induction cooktop shows an E-1 error and doesn't work.
4. The roof window bug screen won't retract properly.
5. The A/C only works when connected to shore power and only on cool and high mode; it doesn't work while driving or when parked without shore power.
6. The generator doesn't turn on from the control unit panel.
7. Last week, I received a recall notice from the NHTSA stating that the solar panel may detach from the pop-top roof.
In addition to the leak, the pop-top is very difficult to open and close (that's why you won't find any videos of the pop-top version being opened or closed on RV RUclips channels). It feels heavy to lift! Also, the space in the pop-top is very limited in height, making it suitable only for sleeping, not for sitting.
However, I really love the exterior look and interior finish quality of the Coachmen Nova. One thing I truly miss is a roof fan. It would be great to have a MaxFan for quick air circulation, after using the bathroom or cooking but there isn't one because it's the pop-top version.
I had planned to travel the West Coast this summer. However, after a few local day trips as test runs, I have no confidence in taking a long road trip with the Coachmen RV. Due to all these issues with my brand new Coachmen RV, I will not recommend Coachmen in the future. 😔
@@NFL1976 Sure, here’s my honest review...
I flew from New York to Texas in late April 2024 to purchase a brand new 2024 Coachmen Nova 20D with a pop-top. However, I regretted the purchase from the first day I drove it home.
I reported the issues to Coachmen and tried to contact the service centers they recommended for warranty service, but none of them responded. Fortunately, I found a Forest River authorized RV service center in my area through Google, and I have a service appointment scheduled for July 9th.
The problems I've encountered so far are as follows, and I don't know what other issues might arise in the future:
1. The pop-top has been leaking water since day one.
2. The shower curtain track was not installed when I picked it up, so Coachmen sent the curtain track parts, and I had to install it myself at home.
3. The induction cooktop shows an E-1 error and doesn't work.
4. The roof window bug screen won't retract properly.
5. The A/C only works when connected to shore power and only on cool and high mode; it doesn't work while driving or when parked without shore power.
6. The generator doesn't turn on from the control unit panel.
7. Last week, I received a recall notice from the NHTSA stating that the solar panel may detach from the pop-top roof.
In addition to the leak, the pop-top is very difficult to open and close (that's why you won't find any videos of the pop-top version being opened or closed on RV RUclips channels). It feels heavy to lift! Also, the space in the pop-top is very limited in height, making it suitable only for sleeping, not for sitting.
However, I really love the exterior look and interior finish quality of the Coachmen Nova. One thing I truly miss is a roof fan. It would be great to have a MaxFan for quick air circulation, after using the bathroom or cooking but there isn't one because it's the pop-top version.
I had planned to travel the West Coast this summer. However, after a few local day trips as test runs, I have no confidence in taking a long road trip with the Coachmen RV. Due to all these issues with my brand new Coachmen RV, I will not recommend Coachmen in the future.
@@NFL1976 Sure, here’s my honest review...
I flew from New York to Texas in late April 2024 to purchase a brand new 2024 Coachmen Nova 20D with a pop-top. However, I regretted the purchase from the first day I drove it home.
I reported the issues to Coachmen and tried to contact the service centers they recommended for warranty service, but none of them responded. Fortunately, I found a Forest River authorized RV service center in my area through Google, and I have a service appointment scheduled for July 9th.
The problems I've encountered so far are as follows, and I don't know what other issues might arise in the future:
1. The pop-top has been leaking water since day one.
2. The shower curtain track was not installed when I picked it up, so Coachmen sent the curtain track parts, and I had to install it myself at home.
3. The induction cooktop shows an E-1 error and doesn't work.
4. The roof window bug screen won't retract properly.
5. The A/C only works when connected to shore power and only on cool and high mode; it doesn't work while driving or when parked without shore power.
6. The generator doesn't turn on from the control unit panel.
7. Last week, I received a recall notice from the NHTSA stating that the solar panel may detach from the pop-top roof.
In addition to the leak, the pop-top is very difficult to open and close (that's why you won't find any videos of the pop-top version being opened or closed on RV RUclips channels). It feels heavy to lift! Also, the space in the pop-top is very limited in height, making it suitable only for sleeping, not for sitting.
However, I really love the exterior look and interior finish quality of the Coachmen Nova. One thing I truly miss is a roof fan. It would be great to have a MaxFan for quick air circulation, after using the bathroom or cooking but there isn't one because it's the pop-top version.
I had planned to travel the West Coast this summer. However, after a few local day trips as test runs, I have no confidence in taking a long road trip with the Coachmen RV.
Somehow my initial reply is now showing, so reposted my honest review of my Nova w/ pop-top.
@@NFL1976 It seems like my honest review keep getting deleted because they are negative... I just wanted to share my honest experience with people who are considering buying Coachmen Nova w/ pop-top in the future...
The first thing you could do is get a larger lagune table - easy fix! Thanks for the well thought out video - you're easily one of the best RV RUclipsrs.
Thanks for your compliment, Mike. Trying to work hard for you. Yes, first thing is to replace table with a larger size.
GREAT IDEA Scott! You’ll be the Doug de Muro of Van Life!
Have to look up “Doug de Muro of Van Life” !!!
Thank you Scott, We have looked at that very Nova Li3 up there at Sunshine State RV and chatted with a number of folks up there also. We love the Nova because of the extra passenger option . However we’re not quite ready to give up on our 2022 Travato. Yet. We appreciate the Shopping Tool Kit download. Thanks again for all of your guidance.
Happy to help Anita.
Thank you for the real life critique of the RV vans. I appreciate your well thought out criteria and you taking the time to make and share the videos with the RUclips world.
Glad you enjoy
I just want to say thank you for doing such great videos on class B's. My partner and I have been shopping for a class b and your videos have been so helpful for us to narrow down the list of contenders.
One idea for future videos would be to include the dimensions of the bathrooms. Most manufacturers don't put that info on their website and I haven't seen many walk-thru videos where that's covered.
Thanks again!
Hello Mr. Day. Great idea. I think bathroom measurements are incorporate in upcoming Scott Score vids. Glad you find these videos helpful.
great review- from my experiences in Japan the bathroom will work perfectly if you sit down on the toilet and use the hand extension. sitting showers are kind of cool.
Thx Matt. More of a standing shower 🚿 guy myself. a little too soon in age for me to sit to shower !
You are one of my top two reviewers. I especially like your comments on both single and couple users, very helpful! Just came home from a rail trip and the wet room toilet/shower were uncomfortably small. I like the focus you put on the bathroom. Thanks.
Appreicate you T Mark. Rail trip from Chicago to New Orleans is still on my bucket list.
Scott I think the point you docked because of the separate black and gray dump is a little harsh. It does have a black tank flush and the largest black water capacity in any class b I’ve seen. 19 gal of black.
Appreciate your sharing your personal experience with your Camper Van systems Tim !
I agree with you on the lack of garage storage and it’s a deal killer for me. But what a solid interior and feature set! Seems like a comfortable place to be with good systems.
You make good points.
Awesome idea! I’m so happy you decided to do this type of video! 👍 27:30
Glad you liked it!! Did you see this video I did staying in a parking lot Urban Camping, ruclips.net/video/DamOaRoTs0Q/видео.html
I like these Scott Scores. Please keep them coming. I would like to see how you score a Solis 59px.
Glad you enjoy the Scott Score videos. Solis 59PX in the queue for you !
I really like the Scott score! It allows a person to compare different scores they have assessed to make a more informed decision based on criteria. Awesome work Scott. Thank you
Glad you like the Scott Score TD46
@@gosmall.livelarge where is Texedo?
The Lagun table need a swing out table extender...I have the Norcold dual compressor refer in my Embassy and it stores a LOT of stuff, especially the lower drawer. I was amazed on my Florida trip that I could add a small bag of ice to all my other frozen goods.
Great points
Very impressed with your walk-thru.
Glad you like. TY for watching
You can add a storage box on the hitch or storage rack with totes
That is an idea to stow/carry stuff
Scott, I would love to see a video on bedding options for these styles of vans. There are many of these drop-down bed options but have never seen anybody discuss how to equip the bed and store the linens.
Great idea. I use a fitted bottom sheet from target in the twin XL size. It fits and works perfectly. There is no storing of linens in the van. It’s the sheets on the bed that you use and then wash and put back on the bed.
This one is on my short list also. No one ever talks about the water tanks capacity on these vans but to me ; how much fresh water I can take on board and how large or small the black and grey tanks are is very important ! Having all the hookups outside and larger capacity tanks than the Travatos is what would make me pull the trigger on this one . I don't want to have to open the back doors to hook up city water etc.. ! 2019 and older Travatos were better in that regard as far as I'm concerned but coachmen still carries more fresh water . I will be doing a lot of boondocking in remote places and you never have enough fresh water on those adventures .Great job grading that van. PS : You are right . It does need a second lagun table in the back.
Hi Eric. Thx for your points. My onboard 18 gallons of fresh water combined with 6 gallon of portable water in “garage storage” last me (solo) about 7-10 days. I use onboard for sink and toilet first supplementing portable for drinking. Easier to fill portable water storage.
Totally agree. The capacity of tanks on the Nova with mid bath are the best I’ve seen on a class B.
Scott keep this going. Great review and scoring. 👍🏼
Thanks Mike. Just getting started
Great review using the Scott score. Like that Great room and big fridge.
Hi Cheri !
Stellar presentation unlike any I have seen. Nice job for both you and Coachman.
Glad you like the “Scott Score” tours. Have done a couple with more coming !
Thank you! These videos really help!
Gald you find them useful Amy
Love the worksheet decision making model. Spot on!
Glad you like it Sue !
Great video Scott, one of the best videos you’ve ever done. Great information. Especially for someone like myself who is going to be retiring soon and will be doing the van life. 😃
Excited for your upcoming travel journeys after retirement William
Thank you Scott. Keep 'em coming.
Yep!
Regarding storage, you could stow a cat box or dog kennel in the bathroom? Also that sink could hold some of your toiletries. As far as hand washing, use the kitchen sink?
No room in the Nova 20C bathroom for stowing cat box, dog kennel or a grill. Sorry M T
Thanks for showing/telling and scoring this bro 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Glad you enjoyed it Jade !
Great video, this review was spectacular, no one comes close .
Hooray !
Great format, people will love the details! 👏👏👏💪😎🇺🇲
Glad you like :)
I am just finding your channel - great review!!! Love the dinner plates - where from?
Welcome to Go Small. Live Large! Thrilled you are here. Plates are by HydroFlask. Did you see this video I did staying in a parking lot Urban Camping, ruclips.net/video/DamOaRoTs0Q/видео.html
I love your videos and reviews. I swear I’m going to take your RN shopping with me. Well, maybe driving/traveling too. 😝
Hi Lori Jo !
Love this Class B van, love your scoring system and I agree with all your comments. Thanks for making and sharing another great informative video. Also thanks for the shoot out to the military.
Glad you enjoyed the video. You can create your own Scott Score criteria using the template… gosmalllivelarge.com/shopping-toolkit-workshee
@@gosmall.livelarge I will next time I go out and check out class B’s in the future.
Scott, love to see a Scott Score on the Embassy Dolphin S (Traveler)
Hmmmm.
@@gosmall.livelarge Meet up this weekend. What better time? I am waiting for my Dolphin S (end of this this year) and not changing my mind, but would love to hear your review, especially with some of the new changes
👍👍👍 Thank you, Scott. I am ready to drive there and would love to get it asap. Have to figure out the 6" clearance. We have 9'8" to work with in height. I appreciate your doing this today as I pretty much know it's either this or the Gallleria. It all hinges on my husband's long legs. Love your program! We are only a couple of hours away.
Glad it was helpful for you
My husband is 6’2 and fits fine in the Nova 20C. The rear bath model was tight for his legs in the driver seat
@@peggyconway2900 Thank you, Peggy. That is very helpful.
Thank you for your review. I think you were pretty generous. I watched a review on coachman.
And I wasn't impressed on the way.
They wrothey rushed. I'm putting things together.
Meaning they're electrical.
I wish you would have done something like when the air conditioner. It made coffee at the same time. Also they could have used The space in the bathroom much better
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for an awesome thorough scoring system and review. We have a 20c Li3 on order and even though we’ve been in one, your measurements and comments are very useful. We are holding out for a 22 chassis and 23 unit so may b a while but this info is really really useful!! Appreciate your efforts!
Glad you found it helpful. Congrats on your 20c on order
Very practical way to grade the spaces. Your experience living in a class b definitely shows.
My only suggestion is you should incorporate carrying capacity into the score.
Please show the CCC on the yellow sticker, carrying capacity matters, especially in a class b.
Thanks Ajoys. I made the worksheet so you can score your own criteria. Please add those element to your Scott Score !!
I loved this way to rate the a van!
Thx David. If you’re shopping for a Camper Van, create your own criteria using the Toolkit & Worksheet … gosmalllivelarge.com/shopping-toolkit-workshee
Lots of value in these vids!
Appreciate your Tom. Thx for commenting
Scott, I Just bought a new Nova 20C Li 3 at 40% off MSRP. What do you think????
Good job
I changed up the bedding setup in my Beyond, so that I can have a living space during the day. Went from using a Beddy and keeping the bed made up (day bed during the day) to using a Duvalay and putting the seat back up during the day - gained a foot of space. It does mean having to make up the bed each night - class Bs mean trade-offs lol!! So for that floorplan Nova C and Beyond C, the duvalay makes a great option. It's comfortable and easy to roll up and store behind the seat during the day.
thanks for sharing your expereince Theresa! Very valuable.
Scott I'm sure you are familiar with different and limited floor plans in a Class B van.
There are other manufacturers with the same layout but might have some things in different locations. And the same floor plan on a different chassis, van.
Could you do a comparison? Maybe on a different van such as a Sprinter,the bathroom would be a little larger. There are few with the front seat and table like yours.
Great idea. Thx for wathcing and commenting
I like the Nova 20 C . Travato doesn't offer this floor plan. I also consider the firefly system to be a great feature. The genny (Onan QG 2800 i )can be programmed for various demands and has an auto start feature (for one's furry friends, etc.). I've read about too many failures of the new all battery systems to totally rely on them with out a generator. Therefore, I would go with the non lithium version (saving $10,000 plus) and add my own lithium battery system later.
Thanks Charlie. Failures of high-end lithium systems? Hmmm…
Love tour refrigerator criteria. There is so much you could do to make that bathroom better. A nautilus door for instance. A bit of a garage would be nice too. Maybe make the bed/couch a smidge higher?
great points Lisa
It’s very smart and well thought out. The closet/pantry areas actually look usable. I’m not sure what the engineering decisions were for taking up an *entire* overhead storage area for the electronics and gauges and such. Travato manages to do it on the wall and not use up valuable storage space, but I’m not gonna second guess engineering decisions and systems and what lies behind that storage area. Could be a ton of electronic spaghetti and control boxes. Still and all, though, there’s a lot of storage in this. And I love the bathroom - much more than a Travato G‘s. And if you want a second bed for a smaller person, you could get one of those inflatable ones that they sell for the Solis that go across the cab seats.
I like it!
Hi Trish !!
Scott, this helped me a lot. I value your opinion. We might buy this model as a second RV.
Thank you for watching
Thanks for such a great tour of this unit. It has a couple nice points, but for my use too many deal breakers! I think the bathroom is a very poor design for multiple reasons, don't like a bed I have to mess with every day, kitchen sink is too small to do dishes, no exterior storage is the biggest problem. I question the plexiglass windows. Easily scratched?
Awning windows are awesome. Some scratched probably, but worth it
If solo, the passenger area (seat, floorboard, etc.) is available for storage.
Agree with you Ann Anne.. but not for bulky items I do not think
Thank you! I'd forgotten about that area. I've heard of people putting litter boxes there.
Storage possible on the roof with convenient ladder configuration
Yes, Pat. But getting things off the roof is way more hassle then one would think.
Please do the Beyond rear bath and the D. Would really be interested to see measurements on the D’s bathroom.
Thx Pam
This video was exactly what I needed! I love the floor plan but would it work for us? You were able to answer that. Thank you!
Happy to help get your #vanlife journey on !
Great show!
Glad you like!
Great video. We were wondering, what do you mean by "wrapping" the RV? We are also wondering what is the distance below the generator on a non-lithium Nova 20C? Thanks!
Hi Steven. Appreicate your comment. I wrapped my Winnebago Travato with a vinyl “sticker’ turning it from a standard silver Promaster van to a one-of-a-kind-on-earth Camper Van. Cost $5K, and will do it again on my next van. No clue on distance as that rig did not have a generator
I get lagoon table is small.. but I prefer small one..best if it was able to open up to be bigger for eating for 2. Are there options for a fold out one?
Not that I am aware of ..
Fine review as an experienced class b owner could provide. I do like the wood work, cabinets and good taste exhibited in this van. Quality materials throughout. I am not sure about the electric bed in the back as my tendency is to go with something like the Thor A model class b's. With those, the rear bed folds down and is probably a lot easier to set up and the end of a travel day. Again, good review and i hope to see more from you.
Thx R Fleming !
Love my Li3 and Aventa, however Firefly, Coachmen and Truma are having an issue getting the Aventa and Firefly to work together, the remote will control the AC but there is no thermostat connected so it is either off or on. Still love it just a little inconvenient.
Hi Lynn. Time will likely resolve issues hopefully. You have a great camper van !
Yes I love it and as far as brushing your teeth and spitting I have found if you sit on the toilet the angle for spitting is better. 😂
hubby saw this plan and loved the layout. we can't wait to watch this video! I'm very curious if the Lithium package is good. We are the family with 3 adults and dog traveling to dog events. Finding out that there is a Luno air mattress for the front is a game changer
Full walkthrough video is here, JustMe… ruclips.net/video/qgpEbuLr-Dc/видео.html
Scott, When you are looking at the van, would youu please check the clearance underneath? Thank you!
Howdy The Kidd… your wish is my command. Ground Clearance is the first criteria on the Scott Score of a van.
@@gosmall.livelarge Thank you, Scott!
Hi Scott! These reviews are quite helpful! It must be "the new math": there is NO garage storage (a typical trade-off for rear couch floorplans?), yet you gave the Nova a full six points for storage!? (And yes, I agree there is fantastic storage for smaller items and that the cabinetry is stunning!) Also, I recognize that these are your criteria and that you have set this up so that each of us can develop our own criteria; nevertheless, an RV is a vehicle; is it just my eyes, or is it the case that the bath is so far forward that the driver's seat can not be both full aft travel and a reasonable amount of recline? (For me, if the driving position isn't comfortable, that is an absolute deal breaker).
Glad you like the Scott Score videos. Thx for your comments
Are there brush guards that work with the lane keep assist, adaptive cruise sensors? I would think you would have to be very carful not to interfere with sensors
No personal experience with that as my Promaster does not have that function. I prefer to travel the back roads VS freeways, so adaptive cruise would not matter anyway . Thx for watching !
Scott on that back bed, Can it be slightly reclined or is it all or nothing? Thx for your help deciding, a year or two out but never to early to learn.
The power sofa bed can recline I think
Very good review with real world examples of what makes it liveable. From looking at the recent Travato price sheet on the 2023 with 2022 chassis, it looks like the new chassis will add about $13k to price. I think it's worth it. Were the cushions comfortable when you laid down? Scott you need to get an icemaker to take along!
Cushions were comfortable. Glad you like the Scott Score videos !
Scott, I really like this video; good approach to evaluating an RV. I would add two more categories. Category 1 electrical systems, whether I can use USB outlets or 12V without turning on the invertor. Does it have a charging alternator to use the AC even for a short while? Category 2, four seasons, can I drive the RV to go skiing without fear that the black tank may explode. Good job! 👍👍👍!!!
Yes please use the worksheet to creat your own criteria. Four season is not important to me. gosmalllivelarge.com/shopping-toolkit-workshee
Very well, I accept!
Very good
Thanx Scott - One question I had was if the bed is sleepable crosswise since I believe the Nova is in a Ram Promaster?
Nova is on the Promaster chassis, the widest of the three van chassis. So, if one could fit that way it could be an option
I’m just wondering if that new nine speed transmission gets any better miles per gallon? I was thinking about getting this particular RV, but I’m leery of this new nine speed transmission the first year it’s out in the pro master. Also what are the pros and cons for the Winnebago Travato, versus coachman Nova 20 C?
Hi Kevin. Haven’t tried the new transmission on Promaster. Pros n Cons on those two brands… I have done a couple of videos on that. Please search my YT Channel for those videos. go see them at the dealers too. Here is a video… ruclips.net/video/7Qm9c4mz0y4/видео.html on the Nova
How long will lithium batteries run the AC (In Florida)?
Hi Steve. Not sure about the Nova 20C, but in my Travato 59GL using my Volta lithium system with a 8,600 watt storage battery I routinely get the A/C running on a single charge of 10-12 hours in a comfy interior
I did a lithium power test for my Nova 20C Li3 and got about 4.5 hours with a very long recharge rate. The video is up on my channel. The Coachmen brochure states 10 hrs of AC runtime* and Nick stated in an interview I did with him (also on my channel if you are curious) that it should do 8 hours minimum in 80-90 degree weather with sun and humidity included. I have unfortunately not seen numbers anywhere close to this.
I’ll be interested in this. This one is on my short list. What does your Travato GL score?
Hi Tim. Nova is a sweet rig. Travato 59GL (prior to 2022) coming soon
Thank you for all of those great well-thought-out ,thorough vids. I think the travato stills reigns supreme.
Hi Rodney
Does rear bench have seat belts?
Just got a Nova 20C, non-lithium. It has 3 sets of seat belts for the rear seat.
I believe it did
Would a litter box fit in front of the passenger seat (if traveling solo)?
Litter box for kitty would not fit in the cab of the Promaster.
Simply add a gear box for bulky stuff (that isn't dogs/cats/pets) lack of garage storage can be solved
Wish it came with a Volta system
Yes of Volta. Not a big fan of exterior boxes and baskets to store yet more STUFF. Hi Cathy !
There is a tiny bathroom storage, you can put your shampoo and stuff in the sink! :)
Okay 👌
An unusual question for you. Are there any Class B vans that can be towed behind another RV, class C or A? Best scenario would be a van with a driveshaft disconnect so that it can be towed flat on all fours without using a transmission pump.
I do not know on your question. I have zero experience with that type of scenario
What score did Travato 59GL get? 92?
Planning that video. !
We don't us plates that large. By using a smaller plate that table will work just fine.
Hmmm I politely disagree, Even with smaller plates the table set for two to enjoy a meal together = not fun. Maybe you have the Nova 20C and can coach me and others ?
I think you forgot to score it based on Driving the Unit.....things like MPG...driving confort....acsessability....maintenance...etc....
A A … didnt forget at all. Those are not MY criteria for a van. that is why I provided a Worksheet for you to determine your “Scott Score” criteria to judge a van.. gosmalllivelarge.com/van-shopping-toolkit Thx for commenting
Instead of a top possible score of 99 make it an even 100 with an additional one point--- does the van have 4 separate areas.
Love mine but the WiFi-Ranger is terrible
Is there enough room for your spirits????
Oh yes :)
Scott,
If you come south to Pinellas County, Clearwater, let me treat you to lunch or dinner.
Get a hold of me ...
Jeffrey
Thank you for your lovely invitation. Be in FL again around end of year probably
I want only a twin bed! It is only me.
Travato 59G(L) in your future then !?
Come on, it's a 20ft Class B not a 30 ft Class C or travel trailer. So, yeah there are going to be compromises in some areas. I think this would be a perfectly acceptable 2 person rig. It's not a family coach and isn't intended to be.
Thx Marie
Hello, are you going to get another cat?
My next pet are SEA MONKEYS … www.sea-monkeys.com
@@gosmall.livelarge Scott, at least they won't run away, lol.
I guess for some….the point of these RVs is to ditch the house and apartment. Nova 20C seems small for full timing though.
For some, you are correct. But for most I think folks just want a simpler and slower way to travel using a Camper Van
I like the Nova, I just don’t want the length. My Silos Pocket is the ideal length for me as a single traveler. I have no interest in a shower with in my van as I prefer to have a membership at planet fitness.
Thanks for sharing!
Personally I would get horrible neck aches from the angle of the TV viewing. 0 points there.
Thx Joy
Coachmen is my least favorite, bad use of space and the use of heavy wood.
Okay !
This is not very useful. All the stuff you mentioned is something that can be changed. Plates? Dining, what is important
T is how the van drives. Nobody and I mean nobody discusses, passing, uphill, handling parking backing up, wind, bumps etc.
The bathroom is a huge waste of space in this van. The toilet looks uncomfortable to use (for me), No storage in the bathroom, and the bed, would get super old to make it up every day, Plus no storage in the garage, well, actually no garage for the grill or a kayak (folding) or tools. That is a huge no-no. Terrible floorplan for me, and the solar panels are flat ones, who know how many watts they are, but they aren't the traditional solar ... I'd give this van 50 points, the fridge is great, sink-in the galley is small, the induction cooktop, I prefer to cook with gas. But I suppose it would be ok. So... Yeah, 50 points. So the pros would be, a lithium battery, fridge, and awesome cabinets and drawers... Excellent walkable floorplan but I'd rather have the Winnebago 59K. Than this.
Thx Eric
terrible sound the noise is terrible the a/c sucks
You are right Angelo. Thx for sticking through it, if you did.