Tomas Avenarius draws a much more balanced and realistic picture of Turkish politics and Erdogan compared to the other two guest. The others seem to have issues with the Turkish state and their opinion is clearly dominated by this.
Well thats why they are selected. There is a cycle there. Foren interests find peoole against goverment and willing to say what is wanted and they get paid and start saying more things needed from them. Listening to them its hard to inagine if they live in turkey. Libs in turkey have huge bubble too
There's no such thing as moral principles in international politics. Russia invades Ukraine claiming weapons from NATO, US invades Iraq claiming weapons of mass destruction. Turkey condemns war crimes in Gaza, US condemns war crimes in Ukraine, but not vice versa. This is all a political game for those in power, but it's the everyday people that suffers as a consequence. Moral arguments is the fuel that feeds the flame of vengence in politics, rather than self reflection that can bring about peace.
The US is pushing Israel for longer ceasefires to allow civilians to leave while also pushing Egypt to open their borders to allow Gazans out, the US is also getting supplies in to Gazans...what is Turkey doing other than make speeches?
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
That depend entirely on how you define 'moral'. There are political games, but some political parties do care about some moral issues. Of course depending on how it's fits them too.
Do u know your self-determination involves 4 countries, which are syria, turkey, Iraq, and Iran. Get self-determination from each and every country, then come to Turkey. Good luck.
Turkey position in NATO is not changing. They are second largest power in the group. Israel is another matter. Don’t Mix them. Not everyone agree with Israel. How did Germany agree with Israel? Germany help Ukraine to fight Russian occupation The same Germany is helping Israeli occupiers to fight against Palestine. This is double standard Germany ! 😂😂😂
Expelling Türkiye from NATO would be the alliance's biggest mistake. Here why 1/ Turkey will join the alliance of China and Russia that will be a nightmare's for the West 2/ The alliance will lose the second strongest army in the alliance in terms of numbers and military equipment. 3/ Turkey will close all the straits to the alliance, the Strait of the Bosphorus, the Strait of Marmara and the Dardanelles.
Regardless, I think it's good that Turkey is not just following whatever it's NATO allies say, having an opposition voice is crucial to avoid larger conflicts
Hes pissed that sweden have given money to the ypk (not pkk) for aid and says we are supporting terrorist (pkk) while he support hamas. We have recognised Palestine but can still see that hamas is a än issue.
No Soviet Union No NATO and Erdogan and President Putin more must work to bring all former Soviet States under a federation including Russia Turkiyeh and Ukraine and keep watching EU while politically and economically cooperating with EU.
@@vaheeda.mohdrasheed8767 So you want the dictatorships to band together to intimidate the democracies?? How many times must history repeat itself before people realize their "dear leaders" are in it for themselves... not for the people.
It's one thing to disagree, but it's another to seek to harm the alliance you're a memeber of at every opportunity. It kind of begs the question.. why are they a partner.
For me,a Northern Irish/British person, from the minority community, Israel is a Sectarian, Apartheid,Theocracy, populated by immigrants of dual nationality, claiming to be a Western Democracy, yet has no Constitution! It has occupied the Indigenous People’s land, since conception, which was sanctioned by the UN ,over seventy years ago!Yet breaches UN International Law. And before anyone criticises me to much, I totally condemn the horrendous violence committed on the innocents, on both sides, by both sides. 🙏
Lol arabs colonized this land. Only 20% of Israeli citizens have dual citizenship. And the UK and other democrtic countries don't have a constitusion but still democratic.
@@dbtez1212 Relax man, first of all. How is it lying if I say he is making sense. If talking points go over your head, you dont have to be mad about it. Just inform yourself, you'll be better for it in the long run. Good luck to you, may one day come you understand what people are saying and don't embarrass yourself further.
The selection of puppet journalists is concerning. Their discourse is limited to repetitive slogans that undermine our country. Their descriptions lack any sense of patriotism; it's a relentless depiction of negativity, perpetuating the notion of a dictatorial regime. Dear DW, it's imperative to awaken to this reality. By endorsing such individuals as representatives for Turkey, there's a failure to comprehend the nuanced actions of our allies within our borders. Moreover, these self-proclaimed 'journalists' exhibit poor English proficiency, rendering their expression and credibility laughable.
Ok thanks for letting us know you’re a Tayip voter. We understand that. But you write a lot of words saying nothing. As for English, they speak quite well. You? Not so much.
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
Well, technically they reside in "continental Europe" if you will, for example part of Istanbul. Doesn't really matter, it's more a philosophy than a literal thing. Organizations do that, it's normal, chill. Similarly, Israel and Armenia, also Azerbaijan play in European Football leagues and tournaments. Those same countries are invited and are regular members of Eurovision. Geographical position doesn't matter, especially if it's close enough.
Turkey is European more than many European states historically and culturally influence Balkans and had control over trades for many decades during ottoman times.
@@Downunda- Common... How come you say Turkey is European historically and culturally? Turk Seljuks are from the Central Asia, and Islam is not European. 🙂
Do you think nato can afford to lose turkey hahaha most of eu nato members dont have military power like turkey usa 2nd turkey most powerful military in nato
@@michaelagbayani4961 Turkey 2nd!!! joke of the year, almost all the western European countries have strong and pretty advanced military industry sectors, decades ahead of Turkey.
The US military's numbers may be higher. But the terrorists they personally trained in Vietnam, Iraq and most recently in Syria showed us how great they are with their failure. Türkiye proved its power in Syria, Libya and Karabakh. We don't need you. We can also leave Nato, no problem. Good luck to America with the mediocre armies of other countries in NATO.
It's blindness to not see and admire Erdogan's integrity and courage as a leader. His willingness to speak the truth, even in the face of bullying Western leaders, is commendable. He is someone who is not afraid to stand up for what is right, regardless of the challenges presented. it is clear that he is committed to speaking the truth, even when it may not be popular. His unwavering commitment to his beliefs and principles is a testament to his leadership strength. Those who are not misled by Western agendas understand the important role he play for those who are not getting justice I applaud His determination to lead with integrity and transparency, and I am confident that his leadership will continue to inspire others to do the same
First of all, I am not a fan of Erdogan personally, and I do think the panel in this video raise many valid points. Having said that, I wish DW would stop acting as an echo-chamber for America's world views! Also, while Israel is a democratic country to a certain extent, the events of the past few weeks have only proven that it is no more humaine than any of its neighbours, not even Hamas. It's a shame that the political elite in Germany are still unwilling to see that.
I am sure they see it. It is their politics. They can't even say there should be cease-fire or don't cut the communications, water, food medical supplies, fuel. There are no reporters, no third party in Gaza. Just Israeli soldiers. Europe should know better they went through couple of major wars.
This is not about the u.s im swedish and think Bush should be labeled a war criminal but Erdogan is a problem. He support hamas and fight with every neighbour turkey has. He is a corrupt autocrat who calls every kurd who wants their own state a terrorist, even if they arent part of the pkk. I dont hate anyone but I despise him, he is part of the problem.
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
someone presses the button and all media says the same thing and use some special word or sentence and you can notice they getting orders from the big guys. This you can prove when it is morning in the us and afternoon in europe. They get their main manuskript from the big boss who gives it to the smaller boss and so on. Go search graphics of the media sector in western media. Its like supermarket groceries. A few big holdings owning thousands of different companies (in my example news tv channels or paper) The same goes for "experts talking or writing) all from the same foundations or think tanks or other organizations thousands with big names but everytime big time foundations behind them hiding giving scolarship or giving the contact of the "expert" to their "OWN NEWS CHANNELS AND PAPERS"
Thank you Turkey leader for a bold stand against alot if biased views on the Gaza israel issue. World leaders are not listening to war against humanity in Gaza so thank you Erdogan..
Guess the west if they were smart is too cut turkey from nato,no more talks about entering the economic union trade deals,and let them live their dream within a russia,china,north korea and iranian future,india is a BRICS member and many other countries are sympathetic but many commit crimes against all of us.
Erdogan is stating what needs to be stated, whether you like him or not he is No Doormat like all the rest of Europe leaders with the only exception of Putin. The US has no control over Erdogan in fact the opposite is true the same applies to NATO, without Turkey there is no NATO that's hence the only reason the US politically made Turkey is apart of such.
Erdogan is false god. Dogan was the god of Palestinians ended having his neck broken the real God. 1 Samuel 5:4 "But when they arose early the next morning, behold, Dagon had fallen on his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD. And the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off on the threshold; 1only the trunk of Dagon was left to him. "
What a horrible facilitator! Instead of asking questions to learn she only asked questions to make her own points. Just sit and talk alone why do you invite guests and try to push them to agree with you? Asking if Hamas wouldn't have been able to pull off the attack without Turkey's support and then scrambling to make someone agree with her, what a clown
@@GreverManner4512 maybe if he had held onto Turkey’s secular past. They could’ve united former Ottoman empire countries under pragmatism. There is too much identity politics in the region. Are you Arab, Persian, African, Sunni, Shia, etc…?
Putin isn't a troll and also Erdogan isn't a troll. Erdogan is an opportunitist. While Putin initiated the opportunity. Remember when Russian foreign minister was saying "... Imagine being Palestinians..."
This kind of shows me that Turkey is actually a lot more democratic when compared to any other state in the middle eastern. I feel like his language genuinely reflects his own beliefs and the beliefs of the people in Turkey. Other people in Middle Eastern countries feel the same but their leaders would never say this kind of stuff. I think he actually represents the will of the people albeit in a deeply divided society.
1:54 Erdoğan called for the conflict *not* to become a matter of “cross and crescent.” He said the opposite of what the host implied. Geez, you can’t even get that right.
4:11 Erdoğan did not say Israel has no right to exist. Even the subsequent segment proves that Tomas A. guy’s lying. Congratulations, DW, you made me, a life-long opponent of Erdoğan, defend him.
You should be discussing how Israelis are killing civilians in Gaza in barbaric way. But you decided to discuss how to support terrorism and apartheid by Israel.
Erdogan is not a coward like western politicians. His claim is more reasonable compared to NATO. If you are pro humanity you’d resonate with me easily.
Some signs of PSYCHOPATHY are: violating the rights of others, inability to distinguish between right and wrong, manipulating and hurting others. No remorse, AGGRESSION, etc.
Erdogan of Turkey is very smart. He is condemning Israel and the US is saying nothing because America needs Turkey. He's playing his cards well. Turkey is a great countryr and naturally wants to reclaim place as a great power. That is how states behave.
Really do you actually not know what Edogan's goals are? His goals are to resurrect the Ottoman Empire. He wants to be a Sultan with a government filled with his own slaves.
@@maximusaugustus6823and they announced 1 or 2 days ago that they werent gonna vote on it even tho they had given an timeline and said that they would.
Nato doesn't represent the voice of the people, it's a military alliance. And like millions of people around the world we only want the peace and the end of the suffering.
You can’t have elected dictator chosen by the population.. just because you don’t like him doesn’t make him a dictator. His there with my vote and millions of other Turks
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
In your country are to many who killed milions of people around the world, Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Iraq, Libya, Sirya, I have got tired counting you can continue there were many
He always reminds me of like an unpopular uncle, if I may put it in this peculiar way, haha. You know the type, very selfish, vain, difficult, transparent, very easily offended... but also sly, in a not entirely unsophisticated way. A prima donna with a 'stache.
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
Turkey is in EU, Austria and Germany have big Turkoman minorities that will represent Turkey in EU and will swing German positions. Certainly is more influential than Hungary in EU. You don't need veto when you can cripple EU countries with your minorities. For now
@@maximusaugustus6823 no they didn't. The parliament couldnt come to an agreement, some parties wanted to say no or "think about the decision". As a Swede, I'm a bit disappointed in NATO but I think most of us have grown tired or reluctant of this "process".
LOL Turkiye will approve Sweden, but Erdogan has a plan. His plan is if Americans don't give F-16 approval, he will tell Hungary to deny their access. Brilliant eyy? :D Erdogan is toying with NATO and EU like a bunch of kiddies with candies.
Well next war, you guys can send your own brother, fathers, and son and daughters. Turkish people lost thousands of soldiers in Korean war before they were accepted. That was the deal. Where are your soldiers going? Such a double standard. BS
Turkey has convinced EU and the US in particular of her strategic importance. This importance has never been tested whenever was needed by the US. Gulf War 2, Ukraine ,Syria? Certain circles in the State Department suffer from the Iran syndrome and they see Turkey like that. Turkey has decided long time ago to follow her destiny in Eurasia. It is a matter for the Americans and the Germans to digest it.
@@raytheon6507 russia is too big for that. Yes, it has a warm port challenge. But that's not what is "motivating" it's agressive foreign policy. Iran is more about control than about geopolitics cause it's aim is mecca and control of the uma (at least it seems that way, I might be wrong). Tuekiye is just the political dance inherited by the ottomans who also played all sides to divide and control (already conquered at that point).
The EU, and Germany in particular, must take a strong stance against Erdogan. If he doesn't allow Sweden to join NATO, respect the rights of minorities, restore democracy and end the occupation of Northern Cyprus (an EU country!), we should sanction the Turkish economy until it collapses and start supporting an independent Kurdish state.
Cyprus was taken into EU as retaliation to Turkey. CYPRUS was not in EU in 1974, when the military operation happened. When Europe is acting so anti Turkey , why do EU expect Turkey to do whatever they want ? Everybody is playing their cards.
We ( NATO) simply cannot afford to continue having an Erdogan-led Turkey in the club……His chumminess with terrorists & other dictators make him extremely dangerous
You yourself are not nato and have no power to do nothing. Just you can comment on it but Wrdogan and turkey is in NATO. Today south korea is a nation because of turkey probably your father wasn’t born back then.
@@Downunda-The problem is not Turkey but dictatorship of Erdogan.Turkish people usually very nice people,Erdogan rules Turkey with an iron fist,he is living in palace like a king and his people suffers poverty.
It's wild that they say Turkey is looking for trouble with NATO for its remarks on Israel when Turkey is the NATO member and Israel is getting the Julius Caesar treatment from the UN! 😂
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
Mr Erdogan escalated his harsh speech against occupant Zienists as Gaza children bloodshed has becomea human shame and cannot blind his eyes same like western leaders.
as a Türk myself he doesnt representate Türks he only representate araps if you wanna hate him you can hate him but you cant hate him as much as we türks hate him
@@ediawarman797 i am a Türk and while you guys are happy that erdogan standing up for palestine We turks suffer the results You guys saying" erdogan helped 30 milion to poor people" We say" we need every single dollar to save Türkiye and you soending them on others"
Real leaders have principles when it comes to ideological positioning. Just like US is an alley of Saudi Arabia and a security guarantor but they ideological differences when it comes to Israel and two state solution. He doesn't need NATO anyway because his military is very well advanced in terms of technology, they're currently leading in drone technology and most favoured drone on the market is the bayrakter and it changed the game in Libya, changed the game in Ukraine/ Russia. Another thing his people love him as a leader.
Soo we are talking about nato whos peace keepers who had accident congo gold bars was in the tanks bags of gold bars which belongs to congo nato has lost its trust and is controlled does to act neutrol and is used like a gang for usa uk france soo pls get ur facts right no one has trust in nato anymore and the rappe figures by peace forces speaks for it self embarrassing .hundred of african girls rapped young age girls by nato forces who are there as peace keepers.
When Erdogan speaks, he also addresses the thousands of Turkick speakers outside of Turkey. They are the remnant of the Ottoman Empire. Years ago I read Erdogan wants to create a new Turkish Empire.
It's called diplomacy. As a president of a country, he has to get leverage for his country. This is nothing new and is practiced by every sovereign country. Not sure, why DW and its analyst hate Erdogan and Turkey so much. Be objective, and have the same criticism for European leaders.
Tomas Avenarius draws a much more balanced and realistic picture of Turkish politics and Erdogan compared to the other two guest. The others seem to have issues with the Turkish state and their opinion is clearly dominated by this.
Well thats why they are selected. There is a cycle there. Foren interests find peoole against goverment and willing to say what is wanted and they get paid and start saying more things needed from them. Listening to them its hard to inagine if they live in turkey. Libs in turkey have huge bubble too
A more informed listener would agree with views from Thomas. Edrogan shall lead Turkyie for 10 years more and Europe have to accept his ways.
I was about to say the same!
There's no such thing as moral principles in international politics. Russia invades Ukraine claiming weapons from NATO, US invades Iraq claiming weapons of mass destruction. Turkey condemns war crimes in Gaza, US condemns war crimes in Ukraine, but not vice versa. This is all a political game for those in power, but it's the everyday people that suffers as a consequence. Moral arguments is the fuel that feeds the flame of vengence in politics, rather than self reflection that can bring about peace.
Nation states is amoral artificial beings and only do things that could benefits itself, but that doesn't necessarily means they have to be heartless.
The US is pushing Israel for longer ceasefires to allow civilians to leave while also pushing Egypt to open their borders to allow Gazans out, the US is also getting supplies in to Gazans...what is Turkey doing other than make speeches?
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
Totally correct
That depend entirely on how you define 'moral'. There are political games, but some political parties do care about some moral issues. Of course depending on how it's fits them too.
Palestinians have right to self-determination (fair enough) but Kurds not? what a hypocrite. and if forgot Uyghurs ofc for financial reasons
@@etathomas5013there is a huge spectrum between self determination and no rights.
Making extreme conclusions is part of the problem.
@@etathomas5013 "Yes Palestinians have no rights" - Is this your opinion or your observation?
Do u know your self-determination involves 4 countries, which are syria, turkey, Iraq, and Iran. Get self-determination from each and every country, then come to Turkey. Good luck.
@@yabutmaybenot.6433 neither - I criticized ur sentence didn't issue a personal opinion
@@puraLusa I responded to @etathomas5013, not you. Sorry for the confusion.
Turkey position in NATO is not changing. They are second largest power in the group. Israel is another matter. Don’t Mix them. Not everyone agree with Israel. How did Germany agree with Israel? Germany help Ukraine to fight Russian occupation The same Germany is helping Israeli occupiers to fight against Palestine. This is double standard Germany ! 😂😂😂
If we start taking care of our own security we sont need turkey anymore. No more deals with dictators
@@nenasiek “If”. But they don’t 🤪🤪🤪
@@nenasiek Yes, you are right. Try to care ur own country without involving in Ukraine or Israel. Than we can talk about you will need Turkey or not.
@@luci75d76 theres a e.u election within a year
Expelling Türkiye from NATO would be the alliance's biggest mistake.
Here why
1/ Turkey will join the alliance of China and Russia that will be a nightmare's for the West
2/ The alliance will lose the second strongest army in the alliance in terms of numbers and military equipment.
3/ Turkey will close all the straits to the alliance, the Strait of the Bosphorus, the Strait of Marmara and the Dardanelles.
I had never observed Europeans felling so down while defending Israel's crimes and terrorism using bluntly against civilians.
Erdogan is a politician who knows how to appease his political base by saying what they want to hear.
I hear that, don't change the fact that what he says about Israel is true doe.
@@sevedsplan5932 and that he supports hamas terrorists is fine? Then he shouldnt have any problem with PKK. Hypocrite
like nearly all politicians in west
Erdogan is a not heartless evil .
And he believes in justice.. he is a great leader .. a real man
He did ask for a ceasefire before his stance on isreal changed
Turkey wants a Palestinian state. But what about an independent state for forty million Kurdisch people?
good point..
🤫 Hoops!
Something that was actually thought by the ottomans.
Kurds should join Turkey with a UN decree.. best for them..
They have their independent state. Its called Sweden.
"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians."
Nelson Mandela
Turkey always strives to bring peace and tranquility to both sides, and unfortunately Europe only thinks one-sidedly and closes one eye.
That's funny
Your funny
No u
Regardless, I think it's good that Turkey is not just following whatever it's NATO allies say, having an opposition voice is crucial to avoid larger conflicts
Hes pissed that sweden have given money to the ypk (not pkk) for aid and says we are supporting terrorist (pkk) while he support hamas.
We have recognised Palestine but can still see that hamas is a än issue.
No Soviet Union No NATO and Erdogan and President Putin more must work to bring all former Soviet States under a federation including Russia Turkiyeh and Ukraine and keep watching EU while politically and economically cooperating with EU.
Maybe if they didn’t do it every time
@@vaheeda.mohdrasheed8767 So you want the dictatorships to band together to intimidate the democracies?? How many times must history repeat itself before people realize their "dear leaders" are in it for themselves... not for the people.
It's one thing to disagree, but it's another to seek to harm the alliance you're a memeber of at every opportunity. It kind of begs the question.. why are they a partner.
Turkey should not be in NATO
NATO needs Turkey… 😂😂
Turkey is NATO
Türkiye will leave Nato anyway
@@muzaffer604 good I hope so 😁
I'm too sad for your feelings
For me,a Northern Irish/British person, from the minority community, Israel is a Sectarian, Apartheid,Theocracy, populated by immigrants of dual nationality, claiming to be a Western Democracy, yet has no Constitution! It has occupied the Indigenous People’s land, since conception, which was sanctioned by the UN ,over seventy years ago!Yet breaches UN International Law.
And before anyone criticises me to much, I totally condemn the horrendous violence committed on the innocents, on both sides, by both sides. 🙏
The arabs arent indigenous either
Lol arabs colonized this land.
Only 20% of Israeli citizens have dual citizenship.
And the UK and other democrtic countries don't have a constitusion but still democratic.
I hate to say this, never could stand him, but Erdogan is starting to make sense finally.
He makes no sense at all
Stop lying
@@dbtez1212 Relax man, first of all. How is it lying if I say he is making sense. If talking points go over your head, you dont have to be mad about it. Just inform yourself, you'll be better for it in the long run. Good luck to you, may one day come you understand what people are saying and don't embarrass yourself further.
@@eraldylli 🤣🤣
@@dbtez1212did you fall down and hit your head?
@@eraldylli
This dude supports terrorists. Can't make sense at all
The selection of puppet journalists is concerning. Their discourse is limited to repetitive slogans that undermine our country. Their descriptions lack any sense of patriotism; it's a relentless depiction of negativity, perpetuating the notion of a dictatorial regime. Dear DW, it's imperative to awaken to this reality. By endorsing such individuals as representatives for Turkey, there's a failure to comprehend the nuanced actions of our allies within our borders. Moreover, these self-proclaimed 'journalists' exhibit poor English proficiency, rendering their expression and credibility laughable.
After watching this I hope Erdogan puts pressure on Germany to send these “journalists” back to Türkiye.
Well said!
Ok thanks for letting us know you’re a Tayip voter. We understand that. But you write a lot of words saying nothing. As for English, they speak quite well. You? Not so much.
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
@@buckwheat1070 hahahahahahahaha go away bully oppressor
Yeah Turkey isn't European so any EU membership is just absurd. This status for Turkey needs to be removed.
Well, technically they reside in "continental Europe" if you will, for example part of Istanbul. Doesn't really matter, it's more a philosophy than a literal thing. Organizations do that, it's normal, chill. Similarly, Israel and Armenia, also Azerbaijan play in European Football leagues and tournaments. Those same countries are invited and are regular members of Eurovision. Geographical position doesn't matter, especially if it's close enough.
Turkey is European more than many European states historically and culturally influence Balkans and had control over trades for many decades during ottoman times.
@@Downunda- lol
Zuhahahahh so funny:) turkey no need to be europan :)
@@Downunda- Common... How come you say Turkey is European historically and culturally? Turk Seljuks are from the Central Asia, and Islam is not European. 🙂
Turkish leader is the only Nato Leader who has the moral courage to speak truth
Delusional
Moral courage, pfffffffff
Say that to Kurds
@ridgemonthigh8h4a haha troll 🤡😅😅
Oh please kick him out nato already
Do you think nato can afford to lose turkey hahaha most of eu nato members dont have military power like turkey usa 2nd turkey most powerful military in nato
@@michaelagbayani4961 Huh? USA 2nd turkey 1st?
@@michaelagbayani4961 Turkey 2nd!!! joke of the year, almost all the western European countries have strong and pretty advanced military industry sectors, decades ahead of Turkey.
The US military's numbers may be higher. But the terrorists they personally trained in Vietnam, Iraq and most recently in Syria showed us how great they are with their failure. Türkiye proved its power in Syria, Libya and Karabakh. We don't need you. We can also leave Nato, no problem. Good luck to America with the mediocre armies of other countries in NATO.
Good luck with that. NATO needs Turkey a lot more than the other way around. Things have changed, you haven’t paid attention.
It's blindness to not see and admire Erdogan's integrity and courage as a leader. His willingness to speak the truth, even in the face of bullying Western leaders, is commendable. He is someone who is not afraid to stand up for what is right, regardless of the challenges presented.
it is clear that he is committed to speaking the truth, even when it may not be popular. His unwavering commitment to his beliefs and principles is a testament to his leadership strength.
Those who are not misled by Western agendas understand the important role he play for those who are not getting justice
I applaud His determination to lead with integrity and transparency, and I am confident that his leadership will continue to inspire others to do the same
Erdogan is like a headless chicken now
Turkey, n o t chicken.
I suppose you're referring to Chicken 🐔 and the goose in the Israeli cabinet.
These turkey/chicken jokes are getting quite old and lame, find new material mate.
I mean, Erdogan's lines are on point... so
First of all, I am not a fan of Erdogan personally, and I do think the panel in this video raise many valid points. Having said that, I wish DW would stop acting as an echo-chamber for America's world views! Also, while Israel is a democratic country to a certain extent, the events of the past few weeks have only proven that it is no more humaine than any of its neighbours, not even Hamas. It's a shame that the political elite in Germany are still unwilling to see that.
I am sure they see it. It is their politics. They can't even say there should be cease-fire or don't cut the communications, water, food medical supplies, fuel. There are no reporters, no third party in Gaza. Just Israeli soldiers. Europe should know better they went through couple of major wars.
This is not about the u.s im swedish and think Bush should be labeled a war criminal but Erdogan is a problem. He support hamas and fight with every neighbour turkey has.
He is a corrupt autocrat who calls every kurd who wants their own state a terrorist, even if they arent part of the pkk.
I dont hate anyone but I despise him, he is part of the problem.
And in a way he is Turkeys Netanyahu, corrupt and has no issue killing ppl who arent fighting if they are on his wrong side.
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
someone presses the button and all media says the same thing and use some special word or sentence and you can notice they getting orders from the big guys. This you can prove when it is morning in the us and afternoon in europe. They get their main manuskript from the big boss who gives it to the smaller boss and so on.
Go search graphics of the media sector in western media.
Its like supermarket groceries. A few big holdings owning thousands of different companies (in my example news tv channels or paper)
The same goes for "experts talking or writing) all from the same foundations or think tanks or other organizations thousands with big names but everytime big time foundations behind them hiding giving scolarship or giving the contact of the "expert" to their "OWN NEWS CHANNELS AND PAPERS"
Thank you Turkey leader for a bold stand against alot if biased views on the Gaza israel issue. World leaders are not listening to war against humanity in Gaza so thank you Erdogan..
Turkey and their way of life/politics reminds me of Russia. There's a reason why many of my relatives from Russia like Turkey and Erdogan so much.
Because we are people of the same land
As a Türk myself...
Because both countries have a dictator
If standing for the truth makes a country looks like Russia then I guess Russia is a great country.
Guess the west if they were smart is too cut turkey from nato,no more talks about entering the economic union trade deals,and let them live their dream within a russia,china,north korea and iranian future,india is a BRICS member and many other countries are sympathetic but many commit crimes against all of us.
Because it is primarily a Presidential democracy society is very dynamic forward thinking principled....❤
Erdogan is stating what needs to be stated, whether you like him or not he is No Doormat like all the rest of Europe leaders with the only exception of Putin. The US has no control over Erdogan in fact the opposite is true the same applies to NATO, without Turkey there is no NATO that's hence the only reason the US politically made Turkey is apart of such.
Erdogan is false god. Dogan was the god of Palestinians ended having his neck broken the real God. 1 Samuel 5:4 "But when they arose early the next morning, behold, Dagon had fallen on his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD. And the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off on the threshold; 1only the trunk of Dagon was left to him. "
What a horrible facilitator! Instead of asking questions to learn she only asked questions to make her own points. Just sit and talk alone why do you invite guests and try to push them to agree with you? Asking if Hamas wouldn't have been able to pull off the attack without Turkey's support and then scrambling to make someone agree with her, what a clown
He’s a fledgling dictator. He is just trying to accumulate as much power and leverage as he can to hold on for as long as he can.
But is he killing 6000 children in 1 month tho?
@@GreverManner4512 maybe if he had held onto Turkey’s secular past. They could’ve united former Ottoman empire countries under pragmatism. There is too much identity politics in the region. Are you Arab, Persian, African, Sunni, Shia, etc…?
@@aj3314it still doesn't change the fact that he's a dictator... as bad as any.
After the hypocrisy that EU has shown no one is going to be taking lessons from EU about rule of law and democracy
@vedatataman5598 if he is dictator what makes 1 that kills 6000 children in 1 month
Tell me
His aim is to become a bigger troll than Putin.
Putin got a back stab.. in the Syrian war..
The two cooperate in Syria.
Putin isn't a troll and also Erdogan isn't a troll. Erdogan is an opportunitist. While Putin initiated the opportunity. Remember when Russian foreign minister was saying "... Imagine being Palestinians..."
A NATO member yet support Russia hahaha he wants the benefit of both sides
as a türk he doesnt representate us
❤ A brave,honest,respectable, patriot leader we respect and adore him the most
( Yeah….I heard that Turkey has a very poor education system….Thanks for offering proof )
Erdogan is saying truth. Western Power need to understand of pealistain right as well
Turkiye should be thrown out of NATO which is odd man out in this group
Dilek Kurban is right on every point. Respect for her accurate analysis.
Free Kurdistan from Turkish occupation.
God bless Great Turks
This kind of shows me that Turkey is actually a lot more democratic when compared to any other state in the middle eastern. I feel like his language genuinely reflects his own beliefs and the beliefs of the people in Turkey. Other people in Middle Eastern countries feel the same but their leaders would never say this kind of stuff. I think he actually represents the will of the people albeit in a deeply divided society.
After the so called “special operations”, who is going to occupy the territory?
1:54 Erdoğan called for the conflict *not* to become a matter of “cross and crescent.”
He said the opposite of what the host implied.
Geez, you can’t even get that right.
4:11 Erdoğan did not say Israel has no right to exist.
Even the subsequent segment proves that Tomas A. guy’s lying.
Congratulations, DW, you made me, a life-long opponent of Erdoğan, defend him.
He is better than those who created the problem
Turkey did create the problem. Or should I say the Ottomans...
He is a dictator nothing else.
@@victorfeinstein1815he was voted into power. A dictator is not voted into power.
Erdogan should be a car salesman after his term😂😂😂😂
He always have been
He is billionaire he doesn’t need any other job, you must be fool thinking that come up with something else
yea a car salesman that has sold millions of cars, done a good job aint it? consumers like eat it up without second thought
Hes selling lots of drones already
To be a salesman means he will earn more tax for his country. What useful trait do you also have that can benefit your country.
Scholz should have promptly disinvited him. There's no point in negotiating with him.
Anti Israel isn’t antisemitism
Kick out from NATO
Kick out NATO. A military arm of the US!
You should be discussing how Israelis are killing civilians in Gaza in barbaric way. But you decided to discuss how to support terrorism and apartheid by Israel.
One sided pro West politics
Erdogan is not a coward like western politicians. His claim is more reasonable compared to NATO. If you are pro humanity you’d resonate with me easily.
Some signs of PSYCHOPATHY are: violating the rights of others, inability to distinguish between right and wrong, manipulating and hurting others. No remorse, AGGRESSION, etc.
Put some respect on his name he says what he feels the only one who aint scared !
NATO countries stood by, when he slaughtered the Kurds in Syria.
Not really. Syria was one of the first and most clear battlegrounds where Turkey clashed with the rest of the alliance, in particular, the US.
@@filipe5722 That doesn't change the reason Turkey was in Syria
@@nurulhudavijapurwala4936 If you consider the Kurds as your pubic hair, I consider your comment the same.
@@MySpace662 It makes your comment false, since they very much clashed and took different sides in the conflict.
@@filipe5722 That was not the point of my comment
Toss him out of NATO
Well done, Turkia , standing with humanity and oppressed nation.
Meanwhile kurds😒😒
So it is a state? Israel hasn't stopped it.
meanwhile kurds who support erdogan:milions of kürds support erdogan@@KKPR533
What one-sided reporting, Dilek and Bülent are known as great opponents of Erdoğan, Thomas is really impartial towards the two of them.
Turkey MUST be out of NATO, PERIOD.
Erdogan of Turkey is very smart. He is condemning Israel and the US is saying nothing because America needs Turkey. He's playing his cards well. Turkey is a great countryr and naturally wants to reclaim place as a great power. That is how states behave.
Hmm makes sense
Really do you actually not know what Edogan's goals are? His goals are to resurrect the Ottoman Empire. He wants to be a Sultan with a government filled with his own slaves.
The Kurds are not impressed.
Israel should give Turkey the control over Gaza
Israel just wants the natural gas in Gaza
Because what? Extortion? Israel isn't part of NATO.
Its time to define what is terrorism??!
the occupier can’t complain about the resistance
Is DW a free press? It behaves like being on a short leash.
Turkey also blocked Sweeden from NATO; it might be time to re eval NATO memberships.
The Protocol on Sweden's NATO Accession was signed by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on October 23, 2023.
That was a temporary measure to win the elections.
NATO is bunch of cowards. It has no meaning without Turkey is in it. Turkey is powerfully acting in NATO started with Korean war until today.
@@maximusaugustus6823 Doesn't matter Sweeden does not support terror groups, but Erdogan sure seems to like them all of a sudden.
@@maximusaugustus6823and they announced 1 or 2 days ago that they werent gonna vote on it even tho they had given an timeline and said that they would.
I dont want a religious turkey again
Türkiye is doing the right thing, the rest of the nato is too partisan on israel despite so many human rights violations.
Dilek plz when was the last time you been turkey 😂😂
Nato doesn't represent the voice of the people, it's a military alliance. And like millions of people around the world we only want the peace and the end of the suffering.
100%
What is any dictators goal, to stay alive by staying in power.
You can’t have elected dictator chosen by the population.. just because you don’t like him doesn’t make him a dictator.
His there with my vote and millions of other Turks
you sir are making yourself look very unintelligent by saying things you seem not to understand the meaning of.
@@shev1970 I'm sure the "Elections" are totally legit! LoL!!!!
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
In your country are to many who killed milions of people around the world, Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Iraq, Libya, Sirya, I have got tired counting you can continue there were many
Let's let the US and Germany lecture us who is terrorist and who is not
I think Erdogan is great and intelligent leader because he knows how to bend time towards it's interests at domestic and international..
And Dilek is from where?
He knows how not to waste a good conflict 😂
He always reminds me of like an unpopular uncle, if I may put it in this peculiar way, haha. You know the type, very selfish, vain, difficult, transparent, very easily offended... but also sly, in a not entirely unsophisticated way. A prima donna with a 'stache.
@@eraldylli your comment resemble you perfectly. lol
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
The anchor wants to know what happened since Erdogan met Netanyahu six weeks ago to make Erdogan so angry😱! DW definitely employs brilliant anchors😂.
He was extremely upset the Türkiye was left out of EU discussions and the Indian-Middle East-European corridor.
Turkey needs Thanksgiving.
Powerful leaders do not need of mercy
🦃🦃
@@babblo1389 Bok! Bok!
Turkey is in EU, Austria and Germany have big Turkoman minorities that will represent Turkey in EU and will swing German positions.
Certainly is more influential than Hungary in EU. You don't need veto when you can cripple EU countries with your minorities.
For now
He's just saying what people think.
Free Anatolia(turkey)from turkish occupation
First you free ottoman lands 😂 Turkish presence in Anatolia since 1071
@@Downunda- you mean occupation
Whatever his aim is he should be kicked out of NATO
The older I get, the less I understand this world we live in
Money and power. Everyone wants it. Thats all
The evil has won and does not know shame when it acts.
No one like the truth Islam
Give Turkey the golden boot out of International Community of nations!
Antisemitism has no place in our modern societies!!!
Turkiet still hasn’t approved our NATO application. We have to rethink NATO. NATO 2.0
👍👍👍 Anyways🤔
Yes they did.
@@maximusaugustus6823 no they didn't. The parliament couldnt come to an agreement, some parties wanted to say no or "think about the decision". As a Swede, I'm a bit disappointed in NATO but I think most of us have grown tired or reluctant of this "process".
LOL Turkiye will approve Sweden, but Erdogan has a plan. His plan is if Americans don't give F-16 approval, he will tell Hungary to deny their access. Brilliant eyy? :D Erdogan is toying with NATO and EU like a bunch of kiddies with candies.
Well next war, you guys can send your own brother, fathers, and son and daughters. Turkish people lost thousands of soldiers in Korean war before they were accepted. That was the deal. Where are your soldiers going? Such a double standard. BS
The cultures are just not compatible.
He wants his auttoman empire😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
what's wrong with that?
Turkey has convinced EU and the US in particular of her strategic importance.
This importance has never been tested whenever was needed by the US.
Gulf War 2, Ukraine ,Syria?
Certain circles in the State Department suffer from the Iran syndrome and they see Turkey like that.
Turkey has decided long time ago to follow her destiny in Eurasia.
It is a matter for the Americans and the Germans to digest it.
Nope - its importance is due to its geolocation: next to both russia and iran.
There is no way to circumvent this.
Is the Nato country that has more access to Russia and Iran at the same time. That´s the main reason why they are even part of anything.
@@puraLusa "There is no way to circumvent this" For Russia, it is Finland. For Iran, it's the Gulf States.
@@raytheon6507 russia is too big for that. Yes, it has a warm port challenge. But that's not what is "motivating" it's agressive foreign policy. Iran is more about control than about geopolitics cause it's aim is mecca and control of the uma (at least it seems that way, I might be wrong). Tuekiye is just the political dance inherited by the ottomans who also played all sides to divide and control (already conquered at that point).
Turkey has never been fully and officially aligned with the West. Knows it's place and uses the leverage they have, which is not negligible.
Well played Dw but you need to be transparent with your journalism not one sided bias news right here they probably paid you well
They are always biased lol DW love Erdogan
Just to talk blustery and bravado but put his tail between his leg after all that tough talk
The EU, and Germany in particular, must take a strong stance against Erdogan. If he doesn't allow Sweden to join NATO, respect the rights of minorities, restore democracy and end the occupation of Northern Cyprus (an EU country!), we should sanction the Turkish economy until it collapses and start supporting an independent Kurdish state.
Cyprus was taken into EU as retaliation to Turkey. CYPRUS was not in EU in 1974, when the military operation happened. When Europe is acting so anti Turkey , why do EU expect Turkey to do whatever they want ? Everybody is playing their cards.
i never ever will understand, why erdogan is allowed to speak in germany...
why not?
Millions of ethnic Turks lives in Germany
ı never understood how he can still elected
Ergodans aim is to seem as important as he dreams he is.
@workoutwarriorzone maybe nato should sever them?
he is actually important
Ergodans is better sending $1 billion USD to Palestinian peoples for humanitarian aid 🙄
@workoutwarriorzone . Yes he is all talking and more talking
Yeah, he's nato's "I'll hold your coat".
No one can come near me so easy!
We ( NATO) simply cannot afford to continue having an Erdogan-led Turkey in the club……His chumminess with terrorists & other dictators make him extremely dangerous
You yourself are not nato and have no power to do nothing. Just you can comment on it but Wrdogan and turkey is in NATO. Today south korea is a nation because of turkey probably your father wasn’t born back then.
@@Downunda-The problem is not Turkey but dictatorship of Erdogan.Turkish people usually very nice people,Erdogan rules Turkey with an iron fist,he is living in palace like a king and his people suffers poverty.
@@victorfeinstein1815 mate that’s your problem not NATO’s
Nato should kick him out.
The problem you have is that Europe needs Turkey for border control. So obviously your never going to kick him out. He has a great leverage 😅
Only is he practices border control. He currently isn't.
Turkey was an ottoman empire and dreams of becoming one once more
It's wild that they say Turkey is looking for trouble with NATO for its remarks on Israel when Turkey is the NATO member and Israel is getting the Julius Caesar treatment from the UN! 😂
Thats due to mainly the u.s and then the u.k who isnt part of the e.u anymore, europeans arent against Palestine but against Hamas.
Its because Turkey is not their military base in the west asia, but Israel is.
Brits have more balanced stance at least on social aspect of it. EU is just playing race bate and racism
Putin is so smart, he shows the world how deep the USA pocket is by creating war in Ukraine and Israel and as predicted the USA has chosen to protect Israel. Israel closes than there will be no the fed. Imagine if Putin crates 5 wars, can America finance them while dismantling the USA economy by boycotting the USA products and services? Which countries the USA will choose if there are wars in Israel, the UK, France or German?
Mr Erdogan escalated his harsh speech against occupant Zienists as Gaza children bloodshed has becomea human shame and cannot blind his eyes same like western leaders.
as a Türk myself
he doesnt representate Türks
he only representate araps
if you wanna hate him you can hate him
but you cant hate him as much as we türks hate him
Well stated. People need to understand that Erdogan doesn't represent all Turks.
He still won which means a big portion of the pop likes him. Also, u seem to be racist against arabs.
Ты не турк скажи адрес я завтра господин Эрдогана вышлю он скажет кто он по нация Эрдоган хороший человек не обсуждай Иво
Your comment;s are very embarrassing as a Turkish nation becausr only Erdoan has empathy for israel's atrocities.. regardless of his politics !!!
@@ediawarman797 i am a Türk and while you guys are happy that erdogan standing up for palestine
We turks suffer the results
You guys saying" erdogan helped 30 milion to poor people"
We say" we need every single dollar to save Türkiye and you soending them on others"
Why western media don't asking to USA how they are settling in Syria.
I’ve been asking this same question for years. They act more like an adversary at times than an ally.
Some of you don't understand the boundaries of an alliance, you confuse it with a cult
Turkey always follows their country's interest, and the west wants turkey to be their lapdog,..that's why the witch hunts from the west media
Real leaders have principles when it comes to ideological positioning. Just like US is an alley of Saudi Arabia and a security guarantor but they ideological differences when it comes to Israel and two state solution. He doesn't need NATO anyway because his military is very well advanced in terms of technology, they're currently leading in drone technology and most favoured drone on the market is the bayrakter and it changed the game in Libya, changed the game in Ukraine/ Russia. Another thing his people love him as a leader.
Soo we are talking about nato whos peace keepers who had accident congo gold bars was in the tanks bags of gold bars which belongs to congo nato has lost its trust and is controlled does to act neutrol and is used like a gang for usa uk france soo pls get ur facts right no one has trust in nato anymore and the rappe figures by peace forces speaks for it self embarrassing .hundred of african girls rapped young age girls by nato forces who are there as peace keepers.
@@winmugaru6347His popularity is an indictment of the Turkish population and mindset.
Its all too much for me , i dont know what im going to do
When Erdogan speaks, he also addresses the thousands of Turkick speakers outside of Turkey. They are the remnant of the Ottoman Empire. Years ago I read Erdogan wants to create a new Turkish Empire.
God bless Great Turks
Where did you read it?
Erdogan has no problem with Turkey's illegal occupation of the Northern Cypress and denial of Kurd's legitimate right for its nation state.
This guy love to talk but no action done from him
You should read more and get out of your echo chamber once in a while..just for a change 😊
What is that about at the end, very last seconds of the video?
It's called diplomacy. As a president of a country, he has to get leverage for his country. This is nothing new and is practiced by every sovereign country. Not sure, why DW and its analyst hate Erdogan and Turkey so much. Be objective, and have the same criticism for European leaders.
50 million baht every meeting!