If you dont mind, i have some non requested sugestions: - When you see NaCl cristals forming in the bleach, add more water, so you'll need to heat it more and increase the NaClO3 forming and also decreasing the contamination of your final product by hypoclorite (dangerous if you are using it for explosives). - When mixing the two saturated solutions you can also boil it until cristals start to form, then you can leave it to cool in the freezer and therefore squeeze more product.
I just finished making some potassium chloride and sodium chlorite mixture and it's currently in the fridge. Not 100% sure it will turn out well, but there seem to be some solids collecting on the bottom, so that's good. I can confirm that it has to be regular bleach without any scent, since the bubbles and other impurities prevent the NaCl crystals from forming during boiling. There are definitely fumes that come off, and if you don't have a fume hood, you should definitely do this outside. I was able to get sodium chlorite from my bleach by using a ceramic type glass in a campfire, and even though it had a small amount of ash that floated in, using a coffee filter made it appear as clear as it does in the video. I also didn't have any precipitate upon the initial mixing, so don't be too discouraged if you do this experiment and don't get an instant return. Hope this helps!
OMG! First I saw your melting aluminium video and when I watched this I recognised the voice and found out it was you again! DUDE YOU ARE ON MY AWESOMENESS RADAR!!!
Thanks a lot! I'm not a teacher, though I do co-host a science stage show for elementary kids through my work. Almost all of my chemistry knowledge is self-taught. Just sitting down and reading a lot about the subject, then going out and trying things myself!
Wow😱, I'm amazed This reaction was my first test in General Chemistry 1 earlier this year(due to the pandemic I never got the chance to practically understand it). Thank you Sir. The feeling of satisfaction I get when I finally understand something reminds me why I love chemistry.
There is always a major side effect from doing pyrotechnics. It's called perma grinning, laughing and it is simply unavoidable, even those who do this for a living, still have a big smile on their faces when they set off a detonation or a chemical reaction that causes a major pyrotechnical result. Take care my Friend, always a joy to learn, and have the type of fun that to be honest is "good clean fun" if we are using our heads.😂
The only side effect of pyrotechnical reactions is Perma grinning, and laughter, I think it has much to do with the child in all of us, and also the fact that you just can't detonate something(in a controlled environment) without giggles and smiles, the bigger the reaction, the bigger the smiles and giggles. This is even the case with those who do this all the time, old lab guys simply can't make a good pyrotechnical reaction without letting out a giggle and a huge smile on our faces. Take care Friend, always nice to see someone notice the same thing as I have.😀
Whenever I'm making any crystals like this whether it's potassium chlorate or ammonium nitrate I like to put my final solution into a pan with alot if surface area to give the crystals more room to grow but this was a great video
It does! To me it tastes more salty than regular salt. I only bought it for science use though :) Potassium chlorate is much less soluble than sodium chlorate, so you're able to separate it from the NaCl easily.
It's chloride - NaCl. Sodium chlorate is very soluble and remains in solution, which is why we add KCl to the solution to get out the much less soluble potassium chlorate. It's possible that if the bleach is boiled down too much you could get some sodium chlorate precipitation, which is why you want to remove it from heat as soon as crystals start appearing.
Hm, I come up with 41.25g hypochlorite to start, then 19.65g sodium chlorate after disproportionation, and a theoretical yield of 22.6g potassium chlorate at the end. Then 9g is about a 40% yield. Check the link in the description for my blog post with some more details. I'm not sure where our math differs. I used 8.25 wt.% of bleach to start. In either case it's not an abysmal yield, but the electrolysis method is much better from what I hear. I'll need to try it out.
Maybe my calculations are off, but 9g seems like a reasonable yield considering the process. There were over 40g of hypochlorite, but that leaves only 13g of chlorate after heating, for a nominal yield of 15g of KClO3. 56% yield is better than a poke in the eye.
It has an important use as a chemical oxygen generator, used in space stations, aircraft, and submarines. It decomposes into oxygen and KCl on fairly gentle heating, so it's an easy source of the gas. It's also much more compact than storing pressurized O2 tanks. It's also, of course, a powerful oxidizer, and can be used in other chemistry that requires such things.
Where would the nitrate come from though? All I used was bleach and potassium chloride. It's possible there was some contamination, but I don't think there'd be enough of it for as many needle crystals as I saw.
hello! I was just wondering if you have tried using Pool Brite Sanitizer Liquid Disinfectant? it has the same properties as bleach except it is 12.5% Sodium Hyperchlorite. I was able to yield twice as much and a higher chance of high purity Chlorate from the pool brite than the 8.25% bleach. You should give it a try if you get a chance!
Another question... Is the precipitate (from the initial boiled bleach) completely sodium chloride, with no sodium chlorate in the precipitate? Could you increase the yield of crystals by, perhaps adding some water, re-dissolve the salts into the solution and THEN add the potassium chloride solution?
There's probably at least some chlorate in it, but the vast majority should be chloride. The chlorate is much more soluble and should remain in solution. Your idea would probably work, but I don't think the increase in yield would be very significant. Remember also that adding more water will dissolve more of your desired product!
Very good video. Thanks for the excellent information and presentation. I like how you went through 100% to the end to show both reactions, with the more pure precipitation and the less impure sludge precipitation.
Do you think if you let the solution cool down very slowly in the recrystallization process that you might get more yield..? I herd somewhere that the slower a solution cools down the more crystals form... Don't know if it's true.. Any thoughts...?
I think pool supply stores sell concentrated sodium hypochlorite as liquid pool shocker. It is usually sold in gallon size tan jugs. Though I could be wrong and it's an entirely different compound.
Yeah I agree. I haven't tried it yet, but I did keep the contaminated product so it couldn't hurt to try it out. Won't have time to do much for the next few weeks, but electrolysis should follow soon after!
Formation of chlorate is favorable at low ph. Bleach typically has a ph of 11 or so. Decrease ph with HCL to about 6.5. This increases efficiency and has the added benefit of decreasing chlorine off gassing during the boiling process. Ph may raise while boiling. Adjust as necessary.
Great video! I just wanted to mention you MUST use glass to boil the bleach. If you use metal you will get side reactions that will ruin your synthesis and you won't get any product. I am sure there is some type of metal that you can use, but I tried a few and they didn't work. Does anyone know what type metal will not ruin the experiment? I want to go large and metal is more practical.
Thanks! A lot of my equipment is from eBay or various other online sellers, as well as buying from other chemistry hobbyists. A fume hood is definitely preferable, and necessary for some experiments - until I get one I do many of my reactions outside, preferably when it's windy.
A car battery's acid is only about 30%, nowhere near the point where you can call it concentrated. You could of course boil the water off, but that takes a while and boiling acid isn't very friendly. Mine was liquid drain opener, and is 98% acid.
From 2024. Remember: chlorine gas reacts with an aqueous solution of sodium hydroxide and the first products are sodium hypochlorite and sodium chloride, while temperature raises. So heating a solution of sodium hypochlorite allows the inverse reaction: NaCl + NaClO -> NaOH + Cl2 (1). Even if you have a pure NaClO solution the following equilibrium exists: NaClO + H2O NaOH + HClO (2) and very unstable acid 2HClO 2HCl + O2 (3) and HCl + NaOH NaCl + H2O (4). So every conditions for (1) are present. Perhaps it's more effective dropping a concentrated sodium hydroxide solution.
On your second crystallization that yielded an impure batch of crystal, is there a method of selective solubilization that could be used separate the potassium chlorate from the other salts, such as heated ethanol?
just take your second crystal lot, dissolve in the minimum amount of fairly hoy water to just disolve it all,then allow to cool slowly to room temp, decant,get crystals,then put left over liquid in the fridge to get last bit out...well, thats the usual method to attempt full recovery....also,during your first step, try to prolong that boiling,adding water to replace any lost.
I never considered an acid to start the flame - I use the chlorate for making colored smoke bombs, and the idea of having a small ampule inside that breaks and starts the reaction when you "throw" the grenade seems appealing (although, not safe at all - the pull tabs I use now are much safer).
I don't know much about chemistry, I did horribly with it in HS, so please bear this in mind when I ask: Is there a way you can "seed" the crystal formulation somehow to increase yield?
Sure, if you have some solid potassium chlorate already you can throw it in to kickstart crystal formation. But it won't increase yield any. It just makes it a bit easier to grow them.
It depends on the experiment, but on average I'd say it's at least a full day of doing the experiment (mixing things, waiting to filter or boil, etc.) and then a few hours editing the video clips together. Even simple things tend to take quite a while to set up, perform, and break down. Good catch on the spill, whoops :P
How much power do you need to melt down the KClO3? Is any regular flame hot enough? The reason I'm asking is because I wanted to try the gummy bear KClO3 lab, but I didn't want to have to buy KClO3 as no one near me sells it.
Mix those crystals (the purer ones) with equal weight amount of 90% melted beeswax/10% vaseline, cool in blocks and add a blast cap and you've got yourself homemade plastic explosive. Just saying...
Or one could add the right fuel to it and you have a high explosive, Ive always used a large floating steel bowl in a dry ice bath that you would drip into, There are also easier and faster ways to scrounge up chlorate without any chemistry, you just know where to look
That's an excellent question! My first thought is yes, higher temperature would speed up the reaction rate and at might force it to completion faster and more completely.
@@mrhomescientist Thank you for replying! Do you think you could try this out and see if you get better yields? Maybe it'll become a semi-efficient way of making KClO3. I made some KClO3 this way and didn't get much at all, so maybe this will help out. I was planning on trying this but I currently don't have the equipment to do this. I might have to rig some copper tubing up and give it a shot.
You can get 40lbs of pure KCL at ACE or LOWES for around $25. Great video, I can't wait to see you try electrolysis, it's so fun and exciting when you see those crystals fall out, great feeling.
At what temperature did you boil the bleach? What was the temperature of the bleach solution when you took it off the heat? How long did you have it on the heat for? FYI. I used Jik 3,5% m/v Sodium Hypochlorite solution.
I didn't measure the temperature, but surely it was near 100 C. I simply held it at that point until crystals started forming, I don't recall how long that was. It sounds like you did everything right, but your bleach solution is pretty dilute. How much did you start with? 500mL of my 8.25% solution produced very little yield, so you'd probably need over a liter to get anything worthwhile from yours.
Did you end up attempting any recrystallization, and if so did you get any additional product? I mean sure, given the chemicals were just household bleach and salt substitute, but I hate to see waste on a certain level. Anyway, love the videos, looking forward to the electrolysis version.
Here, low sodium salt are actually a 50/50 mix of sodium or potasium salt... with this: If I add first this salt mix to the bleach and then boile it later: Does it will improve the potassium chlorate yield?...thinking about the extra sodium salt added could balance the reaction into producing chlorates since there already too much chloride ions inside.. is this right?... or it doesn't works this way?
I got plate-like crystals nearly immediately after adding the Potassium Chloride. I put the solution in the fridge. I collected crystals so far nearly catch fire as described, but there is a little too much water. Worked well. Only problem was that I left my hotplate unattended too long and had no liquid in the bleach left. I just added water until it was saturated.
mrhomescientist Thanks, but is there a simpler way to get potassium chlorate? I have Potassium Dichromate if that gives you any ideas. No-Salt is pricey to use!
Camroc37 Well the other route is electrolysis of KCl; much simpler if you can make a cell. You could also try using displacement of another chlorate salt, like calcium sulfate and barium chlorate, but I imagine that's even more expensive.
well i made some last night i boild down 3000ml to 900ml let it cool to room temp filter 3 times through double filter then u want 30 grams of potassium per 200ml so 600ml 90 grams no salt filter through double filter 3 times after letting cool to room temp in separate container then filter through a single filter together in same container let sit in freezer over night i got 42 grams of plate glass crystals i mixed with half mass sugar and i make flash powder from perchlorate and aluminum powder and let me say that the potassium chlorate and sugar i made was way faster and hotter the the flash its really powerful stuff so be careful 9 grams in a half inch pvc piece of pipe 3 inches long and end caps pack semi tight and u got i would say about half a stick of tnt 30 gram is about a full stick so be careful i say again and enjoy my fellow pyros ;)-
perhaps you can use swimming pool chlorinator, it comes as a powder. Not sure if it’s pure NaClO3. Also bleach comes with a small amount of sodium hydroxide, presumably to offset the chlorine in the water turning into hydrochloric acid. Probably irrelevant with all that sodium chloride present.
How would you separate the sodium chlorate from the sodium chloride if you wanted to recover only the sodium chlorate? I think that sodium chlorate increases its solubility with heat while sodium chlorides solubility doesn't change much with heat. Perhaps continued evaporation would increase the concentration of the chlorate in the liquid while the chloride crystallizes out?
Hey there, love the videos. I had a question regarding letting the boiled bleach solution cool; is there any particular reason you let it cool before filtration other than giving time for NaCl to crystallize out? i.e. would covering the dish to retain heat and thus having NaClO3 be much more soluble, while NaCl still precipitates out due to its low solubility-temperature response, retain more NaClO3 per NaCl in solution?
KClo3 has the lowest solubility in 0°C water, that makes washing you salt+Chlorate easy. Rebatch you wash water so not to waste any small quantity of KClO3
Awesome video. I need to learn more on chemistry and your videos are a great source of inspiration. I first started watching you with your sand to thermite video (dash bit of a pyro) and every since I have been loving your videos, even if I don't fully get all of them :3
Hey mrhomescientist! I loved the video and have wanted to try this out. So, I gathered the required chemicals and began. Timeskip to now, and it has *not* worked. I've tried many different methods and still can't seem to place it. I seem to have narrowed it down to what it might be, though. But I don't want to just go ahead and waste another couple 1000 mL of bleach, so I'll ask you what may be wrong. Here are my potential culprits A) Incorrect brand of bleach (Meijers generic) B) When I boil it, crystals don't form until I take it of heating. Do I have to wait longer? C) I haven't filtered the KCl solution D) I haven't used distilled, instead I have used tap water. Could any of those be the cause of why this doesn't work? Or am I just cursed? P.S. I also have a general lab report written on this if you'd want to look through that. Thanks in advance!
Definitely, if you've written a lab report somewhere I'll take a look. That'll help to narrow down where the problems come from. Even with all your points, you should still have produced /some/ chlorate. It just may be too contaminated by the end to be very useful. C and D will introduce impurities, and can be easily fixed for your next experiment. A would only matter if your bleach has other ingredients (detergents, fragrance, etc.) - I buy Wal Mart brand, the cheapest most generic I can find. As for B I would suggest heating longer. I heat mine until crystals just start to form, then remove from heat. Make sure you're boiling it too - you have to boil for chlorate to form!
have you tried powdered chlorine like what you can buy for pool... Pool shock I think it is. You can re hydrate it to a pretty good concentration. Much more than 8.5%. Good instructional video.
+BennyCFD There's lots of products that go by the name 'pool chlorine', and it's a surprisingly wide variety of different chemicals. So it would depend on what exactly the product contains. Could be possible!
Really Great looking Crystals, I'm no way a chemist- just a thought but if you were to do the same process and while its still hot dump the whole batch in a glass bowl that is sitting in a bowl of ice so it good and cold you might be able to get the crystals drop out (precipitate) of the mix with a much finer grain size as well as maybe more of it? a lot like one of the methods of making strong BLK powder IDK like I said its just a thought cool video though
Thank you! The faster you cool things, the smaller the crystal size will be. As long as you end at the same temperature, though, you'll always get the same amount to precipitate regardless of the rate of cooling. Slow cooling and larger crystals are usually preferred, though, because large crystals are of a higher purity.
do you think thios si impressivie enough for a science project in school? I have to use one chemical and make another as a part of the requirement. You guys think this will get me an a????? PLZ HELP
Greeting! Good video! I found bleach with 26.7% sodium hypochlorite! It also contains 0.09% sodium tosylchloramide! Can I use this to make potassium chlorate?
It could also have lead contamination in it. On the other hand, you could just go to an auto parts store and buy battery acid. MIght be more expensive than drain cleaner but it should be higher purity.
If you dont mind, i have some non requested sugestions:
- When you see NaCl cristals forming in the bleach, add more water, so you'll need to heat it more and increase the NaClO3 forming and also decreasing the contamination of your final product by hypoclorite (dangerous if you are using it for explosives).
- When mixing the two saturated solutions you can also boil it until cristals start to form, then you can leave it to cool in the freezer and therefore squeeze more product.
I can watch hours of chemistry videos and not get bored.
Same
Wow I forgot I even watched this... 8 years later I still haven't gotten bored 😂
Of course you wont. Chemistry is amazing!
Wow, a lot of time has passed my friend.
Especially NileRed videos
What would happen if 66 cows were to ingest this?
D E A T H
I just finished making some potassium chloride and sodium chlorite mixture and it's currently in the fridge. Not 100% sure it will turn out well, but there seem to be some solids collecting on the bottom, so that's good.
I can confirm that it has to be regular bleach without any scent, since the bubbles and other impurities prevent the NaCl crystals from forming during boiling. There are definitely fumes that come off, and if you don't have a fume hood, you should definitely do this outside. I was able to get sodium chlorite from my bleach by using a ceramic type glass in a campfire, and even though it had a small amount of ash that floated in, using a coffee filter made it appear as clear as it does in the video.
I also didn't have any precipitate upon the initial mixing, so don't be too discouraged if you do this experiment and don't get an instant return.
Hope this helps!
OMG! First I saw your melting aluminium video and when I watched this I recognised the voice and found out it was you again! DUDE YOU ARE ON MY AWESOMENESS RADAR!!!
+Hooverblox Huzzah!
Gaydar
mrhomescientist wazza
Hooverblox
Hooverblox awesomeness radar?
Sounds like a 5 year old no offence
Thanks a lot! I'm not a teacher, though I do co-host a science stage show for elementary kids through my work. Almost all of my chemistry knowledge is self-taught. Just sitting down and reading a lot about the subject, then going out and trying things myself!
Great sir
How do you get the supplies tho? I need sodium or potassium chlorate for my science project but I can't find it anywhere
@@MillaGoat In this video is recipe of it, KClO3, but beware of this stuff, cuz its easy to explode, and sensitive to any kind of compressing.
Wow😱, I'm amazed
This reaction was my first test in General Chemistry 1 earlier this year(due to the pandemic I never got the chance to practically understand it). Thank you Sir. The feeling of satisfaction I get when I finally understand something reminds me why I love chemistry.
the giggle after the test :D i know how rewarding it is when it goes off :P
There is always a major side effect from doing pyrotechnics. It's called perma grinning, laughing and it is simply unavoidable, even those who do this for a living, still have a big smile on their faces when they set off a detonation or a chemical reaction that causes a major pyrotechnical result.
Take care my Friend, always a joy to learn, and have the type of fun that to be honest is "good clean fun" if we are using our heads.😂
Oha, du hier
your giggle when it burns confirms my notion that you're a happy pyro :)
Hudda hudda hudda!
The only side effect of pyrotechnical reactions is Perma grinning, and laughter, I think it has much to do with the child in all of us, and also the fact that you just can't detonate something(in a controlled environment) without giggles and smiles, the bigger the reaction, the bigger the smiles and giggles.
This is even the case with those who do this all the time, old lab guys simply can't make a good pyrotechnical reaction without letting out a giggle and a huge smile on our faces.
Take care Friend, always nice to see someone notice the same thing as I have.😀
The only reason I'm on this video is to make military explosives lol
I love that chuckle at the end of the reaction lol
I swear to god its like the tell tale sign of a manic pyro.
If you're watching this video than you have been there.
Whenever I'm making any crystals like this whether it's potassium chlorate or ammonium nitrate I like to put my final solution into a pan with alot if surface area to give the crystals more room to grow but this was a great video
It does! To me it tastes more salty than regular salt. I only bought it for science use though :) Potassium chlorate is much less soluble than sodium chlorate, so you're able to separate it from the NaCl easily.
its odd how they promote lo-salt as healthy yet it sets off a geiger counter
@@noimnotarobotcanubeleiveit7024 that’s because it’s made of potassium….
How do you think about use the 12.5% of sodium hypochlorite bleach instead of 8.5% regular house hold bleach to make potassium chlorate?
It's chloride - NaCl. Sodium chlorate is very soluble and remains in solution, which is why we add KCl to the solution to get out the much less soluble potassium chlorate. It's possible that if the bleach is boiled down too much you could get some sodium chlorate precipitation, which is why you want to remove it from heat as soon as crystals start appearing.
Glad to get a second opinion on my math :) I definitely think I could have improved the yield if I hadn't used so much water for my KCl solution.
How do you get your audio quality to be so bad?
Hm, I come up with 41.25g hypochlorite to start, then 19.65g sodium chlorate after disproportionation, and a theoretical yield of 22.6g potassium chlorate at the end. Then 9g is about a 40% yield. Check the link in the description for my blog post with some more details. I'm not sure where our math differs. I used 8.25 wt.% of bleach to start. In either case it's not an abysmal yield, but the electrolysis method is much better from what I hear. I'll need to try it out.
Maybe my calculations are off, but 9g seems like a reasonable yield considering the process. There were over 40g of hypochlorite, but that leaves only 13g of chlorate after heating, for a nominal yield of 15g of KClO3. 56% yield is better than a poke in the eye.
It has an important use as a chemical oxygen generator, used in space stations, aircraft, and submarines. It decomposes into oxygen and KCl on fairly gentle heating, so it's an easy source of the gas. It's also much more compact than storing pressurized O2 tanks. It's also, of course, a powerful oxidizer, and can be used in other chemistry that requires such things.
Why do you boil me:(
I saw all the comments about the "lough". I had no idea, had to replay a couple of times. Loved it!
Where would the nitrate come from though? All I used was bleach and potassium chloride. It's possible there was some contamination, but I don't think there'd be enough of it for as many needle crystals as I saw.
hello! I was just wondering if you have tried using Pool Brite Sanitizer Liquid Disinfectant? it has the same properties as bleach except it is 12.5% Sodium Hyperchlorite. I was able to yield twice as much and a higher chance of high purity Chlorate from the pool brite than the 8.25% bleach. You should give it a try if you get a chance!
Another question...
Is the precipitate (from the initial boiled bleach) completely sodium chloride, with no sodium chlorate in the precipitate? Could you increase the yield of crystals by, perhaps adding some water, re-dissolve the salts into the solution and THEN add the potassium chloride solution?
There's probably at least some chlorate in it, but the vast majority should be chloride. The chlorate is much more soluble and should remain in solution. Your idea would probably work, but I don't think the increase in yield would be very significant. Remember also that adding more water will dissolve more of your desired product!
Very good video. Thanks for the excellent information and presentation. I like how you went through 100% to the end to show both reactions, with the more pure precipitation and the less impure sludge precipitation.
What if you used the powdered bleach shock instead of liquid bleach?
Do you think if you let the solution cool down very slowly in the recrystallization process that you might get more yield..? I herd somewhere that the slower a solution cools down the more crystals form... Don't know if it's true.. Any thoughts...?
I think pool supply stores sell concentrated sodium hypochlorite as liquid pool shocker. It is usually sold in gallon size tan jugs. Though I could be wrong and it's an entirely different compound.
They do! Just be sure to read the labels carefully; there's a huge variety of pool chemicals so make sure you know what you're getting.
Can I disolve Calcium Hypochlorite (pool chlorine) on water and do the same procedure? Would it work? Since both are hipochlorites?
Not too bad. Might be a little expensive in time and $, but the chemicals are stuff that you can get, likely, right now at the local food mart.
Yeah I agree. I haven't tried it yet, but I did keep the contaminated product so it couldn't hurt to try it out. Won't have time to do much for the next few weeks, but electrolysis should follow soon after!
Formation of chlorate is favorable at low ph. Bleach typically has a ph of 11 or so. Decrease ph with HCL to about 6.5. This increases efficiency and has the added benefit of decreasing chlorine off gassing during the boiling process. Ph may raise while boiling. Adjust as necessary.
Chlorine would sure offgas before the boil! But that's an interesting idea to try, thanks for the comment.
mrhomescientist for sure. Gradual/dilute is a good idea. Thanks for the video! This chemistry is always so entertaining.
Great video! I just wanted to mention you MUST use glass to boil the bleach. If you use metal you will get side reactions that will ruin your synthesis and you won't get any product. I am sure there is some type of metal that you can use, but I tried a few and they didn't work. Does anyone know what type metal will not ruin the experiment? I want to go large and metal is more practical.
maybe teflon?????? don't take my word for it tho
Thanks! A lot of my equipment is from eBay or various other online sellers, as well as buying from other chemistry hobbyists. A fume hood is definitely preferable, and necessary for some experiments - until I get one I do many of my reactions outside, preferably when it's windy.
A car battery's acid is only about 30%, nowhere near the point where you can call it concentrated. You could of course boil the water off, but that takes a while and boiling acid isn't very friendly. Mine was liquid drain opener, and is 98% acid.
From 2024. Remember: chlorine gas reacts with an aqueous solution of sodium hydroxide and the first products are sodium hypochlorite and sodium chloride, while temperature raises.
So heating a solution of sodium hypochlorite allows the inverse reaction: NaCl + NaClO -> NaOH + Cl2 (1).
Even if you have a pure NaClO solution the following equilibrium exists: NaClO + H2O NaOH + HClO (2) and very unstable acid 2HClO 2HCl + O2 (3) and HCl + NaOH NaCl + H2O (4).
So every conditions for (1) are present.
Perhaps it's more effective dropping a concentrated sodium hydroxide solution.
I like those videos, even though I don't have anything to do with chemistry.
Your voice is so friendly :D
And chemistry is awesome.
On your second crystallization that yielded an impure batch of crystal, is there a method of selective solubilization that could be used separate the potassium chlorate from the other salts, such as heated ethanol?
4:36 That laugh at the end :D
just take your second crystal lot, dissolve in the minimum amount of fairly hoy water to just disolve it all,then allow to cool slowly to room temp, decant,get crystals,then put left over liquid in the fridge to get last bit out...well, thats the usual method to attempt full recovery....also,during your first step, try to prolong that boiling,adding water to replace any lost.
I never considered an acid to start the flame - I use the chlorate for making colored smoke bombs, and the idea of having a small ampule inside that breaks and starts the reaction when you "throw" the grenade seems appealing (although, not safe at all - the pull tabs I use now are much safer).
Men my blech have, 50 gr of chlorine of 1 liter. It is work?
50 grains? are you sure that's even bleach?
@@pacman10182 grams not grains
@@spoonerman gr is grains, g is grams
@@pacman10182 People type gr for grams despite not being correct. Also the guy is from Europe i doubt he uses grains.
@@spoonerman even more reason for me to make fun of him
I don't know much about chemistry, I did horribly with it in HS, so please bear this in mind when I ask: Is there a way you can "seed" the crystal formulation somehow to increase yield?
Sure, if you have some solid potassium chlorate already you can throw it in to kickstart crystal formation. But it won't increase yield any. It just makes it a bit easier to grow them.
Wtf
Hey, he used Great Value bleach, not Clorox so you're good.
love you. proud of you.
Fuck off were Americans
Clorox i need 1000 kg of clorox
Whats the problem ??
It depends on the experiment, but on average I'd say it's at least a full day of doing the experiment (mixing things, waiting to filter or boil, etc.) and then a few hours editing the video clips together. Even simple things tend to take quite a while to set up, perform, and break down. Good catch on the spill, whoops :P
How much power do you need to melt down the KClO3? Is any regular flame hot enough? The reason I'm asking is because I wanted to try the gummy bear KClO3 lab, but I didn't want to have to buy KClO3 as no one near me sells it.
I boiled bleach but there are no crystals forming Idk why
Thanks! Found liquid fire at ace hardware. Pretty pure stuff, though it does have quite a bit of carbon/organic impurities. :(
Mix those crystals (the purer ones) with equal weight amount of 90% melted beeswax/10% vaseline, cool in blocks and add a blast cap and you've got yourself homemade plastic explosive. Just saying...
Or one could add the right fuel to it and you have a high explosive, Ive always used a large floating steel bowl in a dry ice bath that you would drip into, There are also easier and faster ways to scrounge up chlorate without any chemistry, you just know where to look
🤫
it works with perchlorate
Would boiling the bleach under high pressure to reach higher temperatures make the disproportioning more efficient?
That's an excellent question! My first thought is yes, higher temperature would speed up the reaction rate and at might force it to completion faster and more completely.
@@mrhomescientist Thank you for replying! Do you think you could try this out and see if you get better yields? Maybe it'll become a semi-efficient way of making KClO3. I made some KClO3 this way and didn't get much at all, so maybe this will help out. I was planning on trying this but I currently don't have the equipment to do this. I might have to rig some copper tubing up and give it a shot.
You can get 40lbs of pure KCL at ACE or LOWES for around $25. Great video, I can't wait to see you try electrolysis, it's so fun and exciting when you see those crystals fall out, great feeling.
Did you achieve alchemy or nuclear conversion of sodium to potassium? They do have some properties in common, but they’re not the same thing!
Could you do a video extracting the Potassium Chlorate through electrolysis? I'd love to understand the science behind it.
At what temperature did you boil the bleach? What was the temperature of the bleach solution when you took it off the heat? How long did you have it on the heat for? FYI. I used Jik 3,5% m/v Sodium Hypochlorite solution.
I didn't measure the temperature, but surely it was near 100 C. I simply held it at that point until crystals started forming, I don't recall how long that was. It sounds like you did everything right, but your bleach solution is pretty dilute. How much did you start with? 500mL of my 8.25% solution produced very little yield, so you'd probably need over a liter to get anything worthwhile from yours.
Thanks. I got very little but it worked.
700ml
Did you end up attempting any recrystallization, and if so did you get any additional product? I mean sure, given the chemicals were just household bleach and salt substitute, but I hate to see waste on a certain level. Anyway, love the videos, looking forward to the electrolysis version.
Can I use KNO3 instead of KCl precipitate the KCLO3? I mean I provide the K+ ion so I don't see why I can't, or do I need the common Cl- ion?
Enjoy the influx of views on this. It is part of a national trial team competition.
Very helpful video sir
Which bleach to use for this experiment
Here, low sodium salt are actually a 50/50 mix of sodium or potasium salt... with this: If I add first this salt mix to the bleach and then boile it later: Does it will improve the potassium chlorate yield?...thinking about the extra sodium salt added could balance the reaction into producing chlorates since there already too much chloride ions inside.. is this right?... or it doesn't works this way?
Best source of KCL is water softener. Ya can get a 40lb bag for 25 bucks. I did electrolysis of Nosalt and there is quite a bit of mineral oil in it.
It can also be used to turn potassium iodide into potassium iodate, which can be used for titrations.
I got plate-like crystals nearly immediately after adding the Potassium Chloride. I put the solution in the fridge. I collected crystals so far nearly catch fire as described, but there is a little too much water. Worked well. Only problem was that I left my hotplate unattended too long and had no liquid in the bleach left. I just added water until it was saturated.
Camroc37 Good work!
mrhomescientist Thanks, but is there a simpler way to get potassium chlorate?
I have Potassium Dichromate if that gives you any ideas. No-Salt is pricey to use!
Camroc37 Well the other route is electrolysis of KCl; much simpler if you can make a cell. You could also try using displacement of another chlorate salt, like calcium sulfate and barium chlorate, but I imagine that's even more expensive.
Is the crystal left after boiling the bleach pure sodium chloride?
Can we go through this again
W Harris
Just kinda curious say what if ya boost your chloride say add some salt can street salt work or does it have to be no salt
Well that was pretty cool, short, simple and to the point. Nice!
I would like to see how this is done with electrolysis! That would be really interesting.
Hmm, what brand do you use? I have never seen any brand of liquid drain opener containing sulfuric acid.
Is a higher or lower% of sodium hypochlorite in bleach better to get potassium chlorate?
How about if you take the remaining solution, boil it down again until crystallization begins and then re add the potassium chloride?
well i made some last night i boild down 3000ml to 900ml let it cool to room temp filter 3 times through double filter then u want 30 grams of potassium per 200ml so 600ml 90 grams no salt filter through double filter 3 times after letting cool to room temp in separate container then filter through a single filter together in same container let sit in freezer over night i got 42 grams of plate glass crystals i mixed with half mass sugar and i make flash powder from perchlorate and aluminum powder and let me say that the potassium chlorate and sugar i made was way faster and hotter the the flash its really powerful stuff so be careful 9 grams in a half inch pvc piece of pipe 3 inches long and end caps pack semi tight and u got i would say about half a stick of tnt 30 gram is about a full stick so be careful i say again and enjoy my fellow pyros ;)-
I can't get Potassium Chloride where I live, can I use Potassium Hydroxide instead?
Is it better for a bleaching has a bigger or smaller% sodium hypochloride?
4:40 HEHEUAHEUHAHEHEHEH
moody5599 lol
I was going to say that
🤣🤣🤣🤣lllolololololololol
That manic pyro giggle tho
can we froze it instead to get crystals or some type of electrolysis?
You have to boil it a certain way not to release the chlorine gas, right?
I wonder if using pool chlorine would give a higher yield. I expect it has higher percentage sodium hydrochloride than domestic bleach as a precursor.
perhaps you can use swimming pool chlorinator, it comes as a powder. Not sure if it’s pure NaClO3.
Also bleach comes with a small amount of sodium hydroxide, presumably to offset the chlorine in the water turning into hydrochloric acid. Probably irrelevant with all that sodium chloride present.
How would you separate the sodium chlorate from the sodium chloride if you wanted to recover only the sodium chlorate? I think that sodium chlorate increases its solubility with heat while sodium chlorides solubility doesn't change much with heat. Perhaps continued evaporation would increase the concentration of the chlorate in the liquid while the chloride crystallizes out?
Lool at the end the ant is happy that the second batch dident start to burn :D, nice way of explaining it, respect.
Okay. So what is Potassium Chlorate normally used for?
Hey there, love the videos.
I had a question regarding letting the boiled bleach solution cool; is there any particular reason you let it cool before filtration other than giving time for NaCl to crystallize out? i.e. would covering the dish to retain heat and thus having NaClO3 be much more soluble, while NaCl still precipitates out due to its low solubility-temperature response, retain more NaClO3 per NaCl in solution?
You sir, deserve more subscribers and views!
KClo3 has the lowest solubility in 0°C water, that makes washing you salt+Chlorate easy. Rebatch you wash water so not to waste any small quantity of KClO3
Hi, Have a good Day, Please you can explain how to make sodium chlorite = NaClO2? 🤔
Can you use potassium hydroxide instead of potassium chloride?
Awesome video. I need to learn more on chemistry and your videos are a great source of inspiration. I first started watching you with your sand to thermite video (dash bit of a pyro) and every since I have been loving your videos, even if I don't fully get all of them :3
Hey mrhomescientist! I loved the video and have wanted to try this out. So, I gathered the required chemicals and began. Timeskip to now, and it has *not* worked. I've tried many different methods and still can't seem to place it. I seem to have narrowed it down to what it might be, though. But I don't want to just go ahead and waste another couple 1000 mL of bleach, so I'll ask you what may be wrong. Here are my potential culprits
A) Incorrect brand of bleach (Meijers generic)
B) When I boil it, crystals don't form until I take it of heating. Do I have to wait longer?
C) I haven't filtered the KCl solution
D) I haven't used distilled, instead I have used tap water.
Could any of those be the cause of why this doesn't work? Or am I just cursed?
P.S. I also have a general lab report written on this if you'd want to look through that.
Thanks in advance!
Definitely, if you've written a lab report somewhere I'll take a look. That'll help to narrow down where the problems come from. Even with all your points, you should still have produced /some/ chlorate. It just may be too contaminated by the end to be very useful. C and D will introduce impurities, and can be easily fixed for your next experiment. A would only matter if your bleach has other ingredients (detergents, fragrance, etc.) - I buy Wal Mart brand, the cheapest most generic I can find. As for B I would suggest heating longer. I heat mine until crystals just start to form, then remove from heat. Make sure you're boiling it too - you have to boil for chlorate to form!
I worked it out! Turns out, I wasn't boiling it long enough. Thanks a ton for your reply!
Define tu going to try this someday when I get over my fear of boiling liquids in glass. When are you going to upload more?
so what will be cheaper to get kcio3 from matches or bleach?
I think your yield is not as bad as the numbers suggest. Some of the bleach may have already decomposed before you used it.
True! I should have tested it before using it.
@@mrhomescientist Also can you start with bleach for electrolysis rather than salt water? It would give you a head start.
is kclo3 safer to leave wet with h2o when storing ?
so what is this element used for? how is it turned into an explosive
Do you have a video to do this using electrolysis?
have you tried powdered chlorine like what you can buy for pool... Pool shock I think it is. You can re hydrate it to a pretty good concentration. Much more than 8.5%. Good instructional video.
+BennyCFD There's lots of products that go by the name 'pool chlorine', and it's a surprisingly wide variety of different chemicals. So it would depend on what exactly the product contains. Could be possible!
Really Great looking Crystals, I'm no way a chemist- just a thought but if you were to do the same process and while its still hot dump the whole batch in a glass bowl that is sitting in a bowl of ice so it good and cold you might be able to get the crystals drop out (precipitate) of the mix with a much finer grain size as well as maybe more of it? a lot like one of the methods of making strong BLK powder IDK like I said its just a thought cool video though
Thank you! The faster you cool things, the smaller the crystal size will be. As long as you end at the same temperature, though, you'll always get the same amount to precipitate regardless of the rate of cooling. Slow cooling and larger crystals are usually preferred, though, because large crystals are of a higher purity.
your laugh makes my day
Can it be ignited by a match or a fuse?
do you think thios si impressivie enough for a science project in school? I have to use one chemical and make another as a part of the requirement. You guys think this will get me an a????? PLZ HELP
Greeting! Good video! I found bleach with 26.7% sodium hypochlorite! It also contains 0.09% sodium tosylchloramide! Can I use this to make potassium chlorate?
It could also have lead contamination in it. On the other hand, you could just go to an auto parts store and buy battery acid. MIght be more expensive than drain cleaner but it should be higher purity.