Meet the GOAT of Sleeping Pads in 2024! | Zenbivy Ultralight Sleeping Pad
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- Опубликовано: 23 мар 2024
- The Zenbivy Ultralight Sleeping Pad is all new for 2024. How does this pad stack up against a large list of excellent sleeping pads for backpacking and camping? Here's my experience after 10 nights of use with the Zenbivy Ultralight sleeping pad and Flex Air sleeping pad.
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Zenbivy explained the R-Value rating in more detail in a reply below. But here's the full comment and explanation here. From Zenbivy: "We have been using our R5 (R4.8) rating since before the newer ASTM testing protocol was released. We target R4.8 because that is the R value of the mattress used in sleeping bag EN/ISO testing, which has been backed with extensive field testing to support the rating. R4.8 is approximately the thermal resistance that you need for a “3-season” mattress to match “3-season” sleeping bags which match the EN rating system.
But to most manufacturers R5 is incorrectly thought of as an “all season” warmth or even “winter’ warmth, which it is not. Zenbivy is the only brand where every mattress we make is full 3-season warmth, and which will support the rating of your sleeping bag. In other words Zenbivy mattresses are “R5” (actually they range from R4.7 for our Base Mattress to R5.2 for the Light Mattress). That’s why we round them; we judge them to meet our goal of matching the insulation above; the small range in the testing results is largely meaningless. In fact, our Base Mattress, which we measured at R4.7 is built almost exactly (same basic fabric, same non-cored foam, same foam thickness, etc.) like the EN/ISO test mattress we used to calculate the R4.8 in the first place.
The other main reason we avoid the decimals is that they are misleading. Based on the decimals, you would assume as a consumer that our R5.2 Light Mattress is warmer than our R5.0 Flex mattress. But it’s just not the case. And it’s the reason we shy away from “official” EN/ISO ratings: There is variability in the test results that makes analyzing the decimals nonsensical. It’s even worse with EN sleeping bag ratings, which have a testing deviation of +/- several degrees in each direction. But since the numbers given are specific, you would assume that your 23° sleeping bag is warmer than your 29° sleeping bag, while the opposite may be the case. ; and why we don’t use EN/ISO sleeping bag rating system anymore.
The huge value in the EN rating system for sleeping bags is not that you can use it to compare ratings from one bag to another, but that it gives us a correlation of CLO and R-Value for insulation and mattress backed by extensive field testing so that we can create systems that are thermally matched and correlate them a temperature rating system that is widely understood.
There are blogs on our site that explain all of this. Or you can email/chat/or call us to discuss. But rest assured, our goal is to make the mattresses warmer so that they thermally match the insulation above, and to and fight the misconception that R3 is anything more than a summer mattress.
We hope that helps and thanks for your interest in Zenbivy."
I like the fact that they mention that this is a 3-season sleeping pad. Many people indeed seem to think that R5 means you can use it in winter. It's the same thing with my 2024 Big Agnes Rapide SL (R4.8). Big Agnes explicitly mention "3-season pad", but some people seem to expect it to work below freezing. I just slept on it for a couple of nights with a temperature down to about 5 degrees Celsius and it did its job perfectly. None of these are winter pads.
The only issue is that "3-season" is still very vague, because plenty of places on earth are very cold at night in spring & fall.
If a couple of decimal points don’t matter, then why not call it what it is, R-4.7, instead of R-5.0? The verbiage from Zenbivy is an obvious misdirection. This makes them untrustworthy.
The only thing stopping me from trying zenbivy is their return policy. 14 days just isn't enough to make final decisions on something as important as your sleep system esp for a long distance hike. I'm not even sure you can open and inflate the pad before returning.
Tnx for the review! How does comfort compare to S2S etherlight 4 inch deep pad, if you have experience with that one
Thank you! I am primarily a hammock camper, but if I do a trip where there are no trees, I will definitely seek the most comfortable pad. A ZenBivy pad might just be the ticket
I have 6 nights in the uk below -2 with the 25°down Quilt and insulated sheet it's amazing, completely agree it's the best night sleep I've ever had
You could maybe use a tiny bit of silicone grease on the dump valve to make it pull out easier.
Great video Devin Indoors!
in europe the ultralight model is 250 € and the flex 275 !! Crazy all the taxes we get to pay in here
I saw that you posted the weight of the pads that were listed on the zenbivy website. Is this the weight of the pad alone or does this weight include the stuff sack and the repair kit? I was wondering if you weighed the pad alone on your scale and what just the pad weights.
I’m a side sleeper so 20 inch wide pad is just fine since I’m rarely ever fully on my back . 25 inch wide for me is just wasted space at extra weight.
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i have the thermarest yellow one in regular wide, this is intriguing to me but it is a bit heavier.
I'm in the market for my first summer pad... not sure this is it for me though, thinking a sea-to-summit atm... but we'll see if I even get time to get out during the summer...
Awesome video! I have had my eye on this pad since its release. I may grab one for testing. Do I spy another OV item you are testing? I like the look and am interested in the materials used. Alpha direct inner, with polyester outer? Thanks again for the video. Love the channel!
There’s actually a couple of OV products I’m testing that you see in this. I can’t share to much detail, but it’s a grid fleece mixed with a breathable face fabric and polartec fleece. It’s honestly a pretty phenomenal layer.
@@BackcountryExposure i love how they innovate. Im very excited to see what they have cooking up. Thanks for the sneak peek 👀
Can you comment on how this pad compares with the grand-daddy all-rounder of them all; the Thermarest X-Lite (NXT)? Warmth vs weight and comfort?
I absolutely love my Zenbivy Light & Big Agnes Rapide SL!!
Which Rapide version do you have? 2024 years model? I guess you dont have any problems with colds spots since you love it? :) Ive seen some comments on cold spots unfortunately.
@@henriknilsson6020 I belive its the 2023 model. SL Insultated. No cold spots so far. I'm a side and stomach sleeper and I sleep like a baby!
Do you have any issues fitting the sheet on the Rapide? Zenbivy sheet seems to fit on 3 inch thick pads while the rapide is over 4 inches I believe
I’m very interested in this pad. Have you used the REI helinox, they seem similar. Wandering if you have experience to compare. Love your quality videos 😎
I had the helix but ended up selling it to a friend. I had two nights on the helix, and it’s really a great pad. I personally feel the Zenbivy is more comfortable, which is subjective. Justin outdoors, he has said to me that he feels the Helix is more comfy than the Zenbivy. So really, both pads are amazing.
With r5, do you think either this one or the tensor all conditions would be ok sleeping on snow? Usually r5+ is the recommendation for snow, but I’m not sure how the dimples would do. Thanks.
Honestly either, but I'd still recommend use of a closed cell foam pad under, even the 1/8" for at least some barrier against the frozen snow. There's something to be said of the offset design of the Zenbivy that gives me a little more confidence.
Great video. What R-Value do you consider too high for warm/hot summer backpacking??
I've used an insulated tensor 4.5r in mid 60s and didnt have any issues.
Anything above 6 is probably overkill. But I’ve known many people to use a Xtherm year round.
@@BackcountryExposure I’ve got an X-therm. I get decent sleep , and it insulates well. Love it when I’m next to Lake Superior camping. Used it on a few hot summer nights and sweat more than I liked. I’m thinking about an uninsulated Nemo tensor (about $100 right now with model change), coolmax liner and a lightweight quilt/blanket for nights over 65-70 for overnight temperatures.
I use the xtherm all year round and I see no problem with it.
Great job highlighting this pad out of the zenbivy system. When the Ultralight was released, this pad was the first thing I noticed that surprised me. We’ve heard from other gear designers that Thermarest and Nemo have their patents so buttoned up that it’s hard to design different systems that work as well. I guess it took an insider to know how to crack that code! And $200 is competitive with those brands.
I’ve been a fan of the Nemo tensors for a while, mostly because they get close to Thermarest’s warmth to weight ratio while being appreciably more comfortable. At least my limbs don’t fall asleep or get painfully sore like on the Thermarest. Looking forward to eventually trying the zenbivy and having a new option to recommend to others.
Those round, flat valves must be tricky to design. It took Nemo until the newest iteration to figure out the right balance. My 2021 tensor ripped from the repeated force it took to get that dump valve open and closed.
Thanks, John! I expect this pad to be quite popular.
Thanks for the review Devin. I'm settling in on buying a pad soon, and I believe I have decided on the flex air. However this is making me wonder if it will work for me. I'm a side sleeper and a bigger buy (6'3" 230 lbs) and I'm wondering if I'd be able to use this without my hips touching the ground. Based on your experience, do you think I should still give it a shot?
Thanks as always for the great reviews.
what other pads are you considering? I am thinking of trying this or the big agnes rapide sl
@@RequiosWoW That was the other pad I was considering, but moved away from it after concerns with the r value. It seems to have the same issues that the UL zoom had sleeping colder than advertised.
The Paria Outdoors Recharge XL looks like a pretty awesome pad at $99. The Kilos Gear Aerocloud also looks awesome at $150.
You’d obviously want the long wide size. I do think it’d still work. Once you get the pad firm enough it will support your weight. That’s the general idea of any pad. You need the pad to have enough PSI to support your weight. Once I’m laying down on my back or my side I don’t have issues. It’s only when very direct pressure is pushed into one spot.
I’m thinking about that too! A larger guy that sleeps on my side and stomach. Adding too much PSI means failure at some point I would think. Kinda like tubes in a bicycle.
Sorry , the weight of the sleeping pads in the video is the packed weight or pad-only weight?
Packed weight
How about noise of the pad between the ZenBivy and the Tensor? Thanks
Both pads have suspended insulation so they are both really quiet. Any real noise is more from coatings on tent floors that squeak when the fabrics rub against each other.
Awww man. I JUST purchased the all season last week.
You'll still be super happy with the All-Season. It's a solid pad.
Return it😂
After hearing your interview with Michael Glavin I got the warm fuzzies about him and his company. I can tell by how he talks about the industry and his thought process that he's the real deal.
He's a rad dude!
When simply choosing based on comfort... would you go with the Flex Air or the Ultralight?
I’d go Flex Air.
Devin ❤ Zenbivy
Devin, in your experience does the nemo tensor all-season sleep warmer than the flex ultralight? The r-values are really close, but sometimes that's not the whole story. Curious if you've found a discernible difference.
Both pads have kept me warm in reasonably cold conditions and from cold ground. Haven’t had cold spots from either pad. So I can’t say one kept me warmer than the other. For me, the Zenbivy UL/Flex Air pads are significantly more comfortable than the Tensor, so I’ll opt for the Zenbivy over the Tensor because of that.
@@BackcountryExposure That makes sense. Really appreciate you sharing you wealth of knowledge.
I’ve had other pads with those dimpled cutouts (sea to summit). In my anecdotal experience with this style of pad those dimpled spots seem to be a point of failure. Two times I sprung leaks in those cutout areas. I can’t trust this style pad anymore unfortunately.
Hmm that’s interesting to me. I’ve had good luck with this style of pad. Can’t say I’ve ever had a pad actually fail, just get puncture holes.
Have your failures happened at the weld points?
They still don’t have a good distribution network in Europe right?
Edit: Oh they do. If they had earlier I probably would have bought a zen bivvy quilt bed thing and not my sleeping bag I got from a different company
Have you slept on the new big Agnes rapide SL? It also has an astm rating of 4.8 with the two layer Mylar. Both of these are similar in weight and price for the regular wide. It would be an interesting comparison for comfort and warmth since many think the rapide is up near the top for comfort.
I haven't had a chance to use the new 2024 Rapide. Others that I know who have had not an ideal experience with it from a warmth standpoint. So I am interested to try it when I decide to order one.
@@BackcountryExposure I’ve heard mixed reviews with the warmth.. thanks!
How does it do side sleeping? Thanks! :)
It’s awesome!
Do you prefer it to the REI Helix?
I only spent 2 nights on the Helix. The two pads are pretty similar, but I do prefer the Zenbivy pad over the Helix.
Sleep is very subjective, and I know many like the comfort of the Helix.
Great video as always! What’s the tent at 1:49 ? 👀👀👀👀
It's a prototype tent I've been testing from Outdoor Vitals.
@@BackcountryExposure AH! That was my first guess! I was like... that looks like the interior shape of a fortius but with a different color, maybe a new LIGHTER material 👀👀👀👀
The dimple pattern looks similar to the REI Helix, how does the comfort compare? Will the flextail zero pump work with these Zenbivy pads?
Yes, the Helix and this are similar in design. I prefer the Zenbivy pad. Yes. One of the Nemo attachments works on this valve.
does the flextail zero pump fit on this pad's inflation valve?
Yes, I don’t remember which attachment exactly, but one of the included attachments for that pump does work. It’s just a little tight.
It's the one for the nemo pads I believe
@@BackcountryExposureawesome, thanks!
The only problem I see is the pump won’t fill it up firm enough so you would have to top it off with the inflation bag.
What kind of sunglasses are you wearing here? I like them
They are Columbia frames and prescription lenses.
between this and the expad... which one to get?
Zenbivy!
@@BackcountryExposure ill give it a shot. i was thinking of buying exped last night, then i saw this vid
Zenbivy pad vs Rei Helix!!!! Why has nobody made a comparison video yet?
Likely cause this pad is still so new. :)
Gotta pin the zenbivy comment at the bottoms.
Really impressive weight and size for that R value.
Well, I picked up the production version of this ultralight pad the day it was released, and it’s…okay. It’s not particularly light, it’s not notably more comfortable, it’s not warmer, and it’s not cheaper. It is, in my opinion of course, not outstanding in any way.
In fact when using the new ultralight sheet from Zenbivy the Nemo pad (any rectangular pad would work) works much better. The ultralight sheet is a half sheet with cutouts for the top corners of the sleeping pad, and since the Zenbivy pad doesn’t have corners it slips around more than it does on the Nemo pad. Odd that Zenbivy didn’t design their pad to work better with their own sheet.
I still reach for Nemo or Thermarest when I am backpacking, as they are in my opinion simply better (in different ways). Zenbivy would be my third choice.
That's the interesting thing about sleep, is it's very subjective. We all sleep differently, and our bodies are different.
So basically they’ve copied sea to summit with both the sleeping pad & the carry/pump sac???!
this should be a 1 minute video
Send me a link after you film it! 😁
Sweet advertisement!
ha! Thanks...
Why are they inflating the rating? ASTM is the only number that matters. They should change their site if they want people to trust them.
I don’t think the .2 amount of rounding up is that much of an inflation. Honestly what’s more important to me is that the pad actually performs whether it’s 4.8 or 5. Unlike Big Agnes who claimed a 4+ r value on the Zoom and it consistently sleeps cold. The Big Agnes Zoom is also ASTM rated…
In elementary school we learned how to roundup numbers. 4.5 and up =5 😊 But seriously, it’s such a minuscule inflation that I highly doubt ASTM itself is so precise down to decimal points that make any real-world difference.
@@BackcountryExposure in the world of ultralight gear numbers matter. Even 2/10 R.
@@dcentral it absolutely is measured down to the decimal. Hence the 4.8 rating.
We have been using our R5 (R4.8) rating since before the newer ASTM testing protocol was released. We target R4.8 because that is the R value of the mattress used in sleeping bag EN/ISO testing, which has been backed with extensive field testing to support the rating. R4.8 is approximately the thermal resistance that you need for a “3-season” mattress to match “3-season” sleeping bags which match the EN rating system.
But to most manufacturers R5 is incorrectly thought of as an “all season” warmth or even “winter’ warmth, which it is not. Zenbivy is the only brand where every mattress we make is full 3-season warmth, and which will support the rating of your sleeping bag. In other words Zenbivy mattresses are “R5” (actually they range from R4.7 for our Base Mattress to R5.2 for the Light Mattress). That’s why we round them; we judge them to meet our goal of matching the insulation above; the small range in the testing results is largely meaningless. In fact, our Base Mattress, which we measured at R4.7 is built almost exactly (same basic fabric, same non-cored foam, same foam thickness, etc.) like the EN/ISO test mattress we used to calculate the R4.8 in the first place.
The other main reason we avoid the decimals is that they are misleading. Based on the decimals, you would assume as a consumer that our R5.2 Light Mattress is warmer than our R5.0 Flex mattress. But it’s just not the case. And it’s the reason we shy away from “official” EN/ISO ratings: There is variability in the test results that makes analyzing the decimals nonsensical. It’s even worse with EN sleeping bag ratings, which have a testing deviation of +/- several degrees in each direction. But since the numbers given are specific, you would assume that your 23° sleeping bag is warmer than your 29° sleeping bag, while the opposite may be the case. ; and why we don’t use EN/ISO sleeping bag rating system anymore.
The huge value in the EN rating system for sleeping bags is not that you can use it to compare ratings from one bag to another, but that it gives us a correlation of CLO and R-Value for insulation and mattress backed by extensive field testing so that we can create systems that are thermally matched and correlate them a temperature rating system that is widely understood.
There are blogs on our site that explain all of this. Or you can email/chat/or call us to discuss. But rest assured, our goal is to make the mattresses warmer so that they thermally match the insulation above, and to and fight the misconception that R3 is anything more than a summer mattress.
We hope that helps and thanks for your interest in Zenbivy.
“The Greatest Of All Time” sleeping pad…. in 2024….. hmm.. I’m not the smartest dude but this video description makes absolutely zero sense. Just another clickbait title to get people to watch and ultimately buy a sponsored product for a commission. Perfect example of why you can’t take the word of most youtube gear reviewers.
Did you even watch the video or are you just complaining for no reason?
I checked their site. $200, 25x72, no thickness, but looks to be about 2”, maybe 2 1/2” thick. It’s yours after 2 weeks. Thermarest is 4” thick, same price, guaranteed for life.
Hey. It worked. You thought you were just coming here to complain, but it was the title that got you to stay.
It's actually that in the year 2024... you are meeting the Goat. You haven't met it in any previous years because it has only just appeared
Any time I see "the GOAT" in a title like this, I instantly click "don't recommend this channel".
You really showed up with the negative energy in the comments on a few of my videos. Are you this way with every video you watch?
Andy hasn’t gotten laid yet
And yet you clicked on the video and commented......