Springfield Twp Working basement fire
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Springfield Twp 722 Beatty rd 3 30 22 Dispatched for a dwelling fire reported to be a closet. Companies arrived to find a 2 story SFD smoke showing. They had a working basement fire.
They were determined to destroy that building either by letting the fire get established in the basement whilst they messed around in the main doorway or by smashing it to pieces themselves. Even one of the firemen queried the window smashing causing extra damage.
Where was the 360? Perfect basement opening to the C side and guys are committed above the fire through the alpha door ? It got there eventually but a good demonstration of why a 360 and aggressive attack directly to the fire from exterior hit is the fastest and safest strategy.
Love the 2:40 of unchecked PASS alarms. That's how you let everyone know what you're doing.
Wow. Look at ‘em go.
And the camera person found the seat of the fire before anyone else did.
That's why a full 360 degree walk around by the first officer on scene is so damn important!! An experienced firefighter or officer can gather a ton of information by completing a 360 plus turn off the power if there's a disconnect switch on the meter, turn off the propane or natural gas, see if there's a basement and possibly locate an access to the seat of the fire.
A simple 360 would have made a big difference on an ez knockdown.
Exactly my thoughts, quick 360, then stretch thatcfirst line to the back door and put the fire out in a few seconds. 🤷♂️
Let’s not even talk about the horizontal ventilation after the fact (after the sun set!)
I was half expecting the New Kensington fire chief to show up and ask for a brick to throw through the basement windows!
Good job Frank. Glad to see you're still doing your thing. Miss your posts.
no sense of urgency! I've never seen firemen take so long to mask up. definitely need some more training in this dept.
Says the 🤡 who will never even get accepted to a VFD let alone a paid one
Fires almost out boys! Let’s smash every window!
You weren’t there
@@tacticalventilation1786 were you? If so, explain why all the extra damage was caused for no reason.
This can't be the Ian Berger
In case you didn't know... Fire can spread. Use common sense. @@firefighterpk2440
I'm guessing the lines going in the front door were planning on making their way to the basement and pushing the fire out the back, Makes sense. Then the line shows up at the back door. Wouldn't that have made it difficult for the line at the front door ? Did anyone consider bringing a line through the garage ? It probably led to the basement area.
You don't push the fire out of the building, you put it out by using water.
The line into the basement was the correct course of action. As study’s have shown we can’t push fire but we can introduce air which in turn can push heat into a buIlding so just be aware.
Everything you saw here was stupid. No point focusing on individual actions.
@@hihfty air was introduced as soon as the front door was opened, which in turn pulls the fire ( through unburned parts of the house) to that new source of oxygen. Make entry at the visible point of the fire ( in this obvious case) and stop the spread at the source.
3 minutes to get water where it needs. When the fire is out they destroy both the roof and all the windows. Embarrasing
That was done because the can and always have. No thinking required. That's called Zombie Fire Playing.
My uncle was a fireman, and he would sometimes point out to me via old footage about how these fires are serious business when a basement is involved... They are extremely dangerous to knock down from the inside once the fire gets a foothold, as the heat and flame can quickly weaken and structurally compromise the load-bearing components of the whole structure, bringing it crashing down... Also fire can travel upward through the walls, resulting in a massive flashover the minute the flames find some fresh air... Usually basement fires, depending upon the severity, often result in a complete write off and demolition of whatever may remain of the structure...
All that damage from a Black Hat that can't don an SCBA.
Funny how many structure fires break out in houses that are undergoing renovations.
If you have a fire, you are replacing the front door, just a fact of life. Where I get miffed is when they chop holes in the roof even when the fire is almost out, or after the fire is already burned through a wall or roof peak and is venting that way.
Those pass alarm should not have been going off that long. And then some of the guys didn't have flash hoods on? I'm also guessing the one that is walking around with no pack working is a probie? Or a volly?
All of those windows could have very easily been unlocked and opened from inside. No hole was needed in the roof, this was a basement fire, in a basement with a walkout door on the C side. Open up that door and the windows on the first floor, hit that bitch with the PPV fan and it would’ve been clear in about 2 minutes, max. Lot of unnecessary damage here, starting because of no 360° and zero communication or skill.
At the start the smoke is barley lifting, any rookie should be able to tell the fire is very small and could be knocked down with the can, but that requires going inside.
How hard is it to turn your pass alarms off. Lazy firefighters
Beautiful home.
Was!
Until the fire department got their hands on it.
What the hell is with the PASS going off for a long period of time. And why begin busting out windows when the fire is almost out….
Crews/personnel moving at a very disconcerted pace. No expedited effort to get lines in service, ladder the dwelling or ventilate.
So sad what the volunteer fire service has become.
Are all the white helmets chiefs in this area? If so why are they going in and not directing the firemen. Seemed a lil slow on water but not sure on the arrival vs. time time the video started.
That department any line officer has a white helmet from LT through Chief
@patrickklaus1598 thanks for the information. Seems like a confusing idea, but not my circus so maybe it works for them.
Obviously a volunteer department that does not get fires often.
Smdh this is why you do a 360. Fire should have been in check way sooner first line on the ground should have been pulled to basement door at seat of the fire.
They have smash windows and cut holes in the roof to vent the smoke. Snd and vent the heat out
That's What I Worry About When Lightning Hits My House Very Hard
What State is this?
PA
@@fwesnosk Go figure!
The state of confusion.
Look! Fire!
Make sure that door stays open! And he did just that! Lol
Basement fire = hole in the roof???????????????????????????
They do it because they always have and because it's fun. Do you think potential CEO's become firefighters?
Would make sense on an old balloon construction because a basement fire would be in the attic, but not on this place. Set up a fan, open doors and windows and horizontal vent
@@firefighterpk2440 Suffocation is the key to slowing extension. VVing only increases air flow and oxygen content. In a balloon constructed house, VVing destroys everything much faster as there is little chance of getting water between the studs in the walls that are covered with plaster or drywall.
@@JB91710 I agree with you to an extent, hopefully when the first in crew gets downstairs, the fire hasn't vented the roof, and they can get steam up the walls and into the attic space and lay the fire down.......... I started out in rural farm country with primarily old balloon construction farm houses, and ran on several of them. Also did a lot of ( in service training) ride along shifts with Detroit FD, and pretty much everything we ran on there was BC. There, they opened up a lot of roofs and put a master stream off a ladder or platform. I, myself really don't like VV and would rather do HV with a PPV fan. Usually we're short on manpower and don't have the guys to put on the roof anyway.
@@firefighterpk2440 Being inside the basement during or after a basement fire is dangerous. Flammable liquids are usually stored in basements. If you know you have a basement fire and it is most likely in the walls, you can run a pair of horizontal chain saw cuts between the windows at ground level while other FFers rip out the boards and then use a 90-degree nozzle to blast a stream up the space into the attic.
Then you can open a hole in the top floor ceiling and shoot a stream around the attic with another 90-degree nozzle to get water down the walls. To do this efficiently, practice makes perfect. The benefits of finding an abandoned house to test the theory.
wear your flash hoods always fellas
Ain’t nobody wants to go inside
These guys need a little lesson in flow path. This could have ended very poorly
Lol "make sure that door stays open" FF #1 ok, FF#2 just pull that bitch out of their!
Bro your airpack reset that shit
Obviously did not do a 360.
Mr Adams forgot to pull his hood up over his head
Didn’t matter, he was doing everything he could to stay out of the building
2:57 kicking the door 🚪 😳
like how they just break the door off as if there saying fu** it not my house.. there gonna need to build a new home by the time these guys get done...smh
The door that’s basically destroyed from heat and smoke damage? Right buddy
Un…real……..
???
Yikes
If you attack a fire in the back where it's venting. You can and will push the fire though out the house. You need to vent / open up the house / building to get rid of heat and smoke.
Not if you use a smooth bore or a straight stream. UL has done multiple studies on this.
You can't push fire with water smh
@@hackmanoutdoors1626 sure you can. basic firefighter classes will teach you that.
@@tompinnef6331 literally you can't lmao. Idk what classes you been in but that's a myth.
@@tompinnef6331 it's literally been study after study that proves this is a myth and it's a old firemens fable. You should checkout all the studies by the ATF this has literally been proven with live fires that you can not push fire with water into unburned portions of a structure.
Terrible!!
1:00 YOU NEVER GET ON TOP OF A FIRE YOU CAN EXTINGUISH FROM THE FIRE LEVEL. That was brain dead stupidity to go inside the first floor to extinguish the basement fire you have complete access to from the exterior. The camera person could find the fire, why not the officer in charge?
2:45 This is a perfect example of the incompetence of USA fireplaying.
3:00 guess what officers shouldn't be doing. Performing physical work. If they find they have to, then they aren't leaders.
3:35 Then the officers go inside while they leave the Lawn Statues outside to think for themselves? Where's a fully dressed RIT to go inside to relieve or rescue those Zombie officers?
5:20 With the basement fire knocked down, all you have to do is go inside and lower the top sashes. But hey, we have a Break Windows Because We Can card to play so why not?
6:25 Now we perform the brain-dead tactic of cutting holes in the roof because heat rises. And without our SCBA working.
alot of things done wrong, however if this is a volunteer dept with possibly a single mutual aid that hadnt arrived yet then yeah officers are gonna turn out and go attack.. they have to... but I 100% agree with other points.. so often i see departments smash windows when they could easily be opened from the inside.. THAT SAID.. in the USA a lot of PLASTIC WINDOW FRAMES are used.. and it was easy to see the fire was near that lower window.. may have actually melted it shut on the inside.. those frames warp easy so its possible it couldnt be opened.. also a lot of cheap vinyl windows in the USA dont have moving top sashes... they are single-hung.. when I built my house I had to pay extra to have wood-frame interior windows with both sashes that open..
@@eldoradoboy Most USA firefighters wouldn't bother to check. That would require a strong and responsible work ethic.
@@JB91710 true!.. I do see some departments that only ever open windows vs break them during overhaul.. I cant say that this fire was in overhaul at the time but sure looked like the Lower level was pretty dark at the time... i also found it looked interesting.. appeared at the end someone was trying to perform hydraulic ventilation in the upper level... they already had a fan prepared.. im used to only seeing hydraulic ventilation during active fire conditions to try and clear down an area quick to gain visibility.. not to fully empty the room of residual smoke...
@@JB91710 you sure make some big assumptions about all US firefighters.
@@CBB-dg9jy I've been STUDYING their PERFORMANCE for the past 13 years, not just watching the pretty fire trucks and the flames. I also have 40 years of experience in the USA workforce to know how childish people are at that LOW end of the employment scale. Window breaking and water squirting isn't brain surgery. No assumptions in my comments! You Assume, I assume.
So the fire is in the basement. Let's send a line in the front door. Then send a line in the back door, not knowing where the other crew is, no coordination. Let's bust out every window. Then let's vent the roof. Who in the hell was in command of this pooch screw. So much damn freelancing and no command structure at all.
Crazy, they have no sense of urgency here they need more training for sure