Springfield Twp Working basement fire

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  • Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
  • Springfield Twp 722 Beatty rd 3 30 22 Dispatched for a dwelling fire reported to be a closet. Companies arrived to find a 2 story SFD smoke showing. They had a working basement fire.

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  • @robp1316
    @robp1316 2 года назад +20

    They were determined to destroy that building either by letting the fire get established in the basement whilst they messed around in the main doorway or by smashing it to pieces themselves. Even one of the firemen queried the window smashing causing extra damage.

  • @Rescue-mt7fl
    @Rescue-mt7fl Год назад +7

    Where was the 360? Perfect basement opening to the C side and guys are committed above the fire through the alpha door ? It got there eventually but a good demonstration of why a 360 and aggressive attack directly to the fire from exterior hit is the fastest and safest strategy.

  • @lilwoowoo884
    @lilwoowoo884 2 года назад +13

    Love the 2:40 of unchecked PASS alarms. That's how you let everyone know what you're doing.

  • @JBart3112
    @JBart3112 2 года назад +10

    Wow. Look at ‘em go.
    And the camera person found the seat of the fire before anyone else did.

    • @jackburgess9482
      @jackburgess9482 10 месяцев назад

      That's why a full 360 degree walk around by the first officer on scene is so damn important!! An experienced firefighter or officer can gather a ton of information by completing a 360 plus turn off the power if there's a disconnect switch on the meter, turn off the propane or natural gas, see if there's a basement and possibly locate an access to the seat of the fire.

  • @davidanderson7958
    @davidanderson7958 2 года назад +16

    A simple 360 would have made a big difference on an ez knockdown.

    • @firefighterpk2440
      @firefighterpk2440 Год назад +2

      Exactly my thoughts, quick 360, then stretch thatcfirst line to the back door and put the fire out in a few seconds. 🤷‍♂️

    • @johnellwoodtaylor4769
      @johnellwoodtaylor4769 Год назад

      Let’s not even talk about the horizontal ventilation after the fact (after the sun set!)
      I was half expecting the New Kensington fire chief to show up and ask for a brick to throw through the basement windows!

  • @gregggoss2210
    @gregggoss2210 2 года назад +3

    Good job Frank. Glad to see you're still doing your thing. Miss your posts.

  • @zekeharley
    @zekeharley 2 года назад +11

    no sense of urgency! I've never seen firemen take so long to mask up. definitely need some more training in this dept.

    • @virgilhilts3924
      @virgilhilts3924 2 года назад

      Says the 🤡 who will never even get accepted to a VFD let alone a paid one

  • @ianberger4899
    @ianberger4899 2 года назад +21

    Fires almost out boys! Let’s smash every window!

    • @tacticalventilation1786
      @tacticalventilation1786 2 года назад +2

      You weren’t there

    • @firefighterpk2440
      @firefighterpk2440 Год назад +1

      @@tacticalventilation1786 were you? If so, explain why all the extra damage was caused for no reason.

    • @FastRoperN4
      @FastRoperN4 Год назад

      This can't be the Ian Berger

    • @musicnerd72
      @musicnerd72 4 месяца назад

      In case you didn't know... Fire can spread. Use common sense. ​@@firefighterpk2440

  • @jodyrockhill7200
    @jodyrockhill7200 2 года назад +10

    I'm guessing the lines going in the front door were planning on making their way to the basement and pushing the fire out the back, Makes sense. Then the line shows up at the back door. Wouldn't that have made it difficult for the line at the front door ? Did anyone consider bringing a line through the garage ? It probably led to the basement area.

    • @andyoxleyonhistravels
      @andyoxleyonhistravels 2 года назад +2

      You don't push the fire out of the building, you put it out by using water.

    • @hihfty
      @hihfty 2 года назад +2

      The line into the basement was the correct course of action. As study’s have shown we can’t push fire but we can introduce air which in turn can push heat into a buIlding so just be aware.

    • @JB91710
      @JB91710 2 года назад +1

      Everything you saw here was stupid. No point focusing on individual actions.

    • @firefighterpk2440
      @firefighterpk2440 Год назад +1

      @@hihfty air was introduced as soon as the front door was opened, which in turn pulls the fire ( through unburned parts of the house) to that new source of oxygen. Make entry at the visible point of the fire ( in this obvious case) and stop the spread at the source.

  • @Bjohan75
    @Bjohan75 2 года назад +3

    3 minutes to get water where it needs. When the fire is out they destroy both the roof and all the windows. Embarrasing

    • @JB91710
      @JB91710 2 года назад

      That was done because the can and always have. No thinking required. That's called Zombie Fire Playing.

  • @Jhihmoac
    @Jhihmoac Год назад

    My uncle was a fireman, and he would sometimes point out to me via old footage about how these fires are serious business when a basement is involved... They are extremely dangerous to knock down from the inside once the fire gets a foothold, as the heat and flame can quickly weaken and structurally compromise the load-bearing components of the whole structure, bringing it crashing down... Also fire can travel upward through the walls, resulting in a massive flashover the minute the flames find some fresh air... Usually basement fires, depending upon the severity, often result in a complete write off and demolition of whatever may remain of the structure...

  • @williamheber2118
    @williamheber2118 2 года назад +4

    All that damage from a Black Hat that can't don an SCBA.

  • @paulladuke2259
    @paulladuke2259 2 года назад +2

    Funny how many structure fires break out in houses that are undergoing renovations.

  • @watchthe1369
    @watchthe1369 Год назад

    If you have a fire, you are replacing the front door, just a fact of life. Where I get miffed is when they chop holes in the roof even when the fire is almost out, or after the fire is already burned through a wall or roof peak and is venting that way.

  • @djlouyang98
    @djlouyang98 2 года назад +1

    Those pass alarm should not have been going off that long. And then some of the guys didn't have flash hoods on? I'm also guessing the one that is walking around with no pack working is a probie? Or a volly?

  • @itsdillon04
    @itsdillon04 Год назад +1

    All of those windows could have very easily been unlocked and opened from inside. No hole was needed in the roof, this was a basement fire, in a basement with a walkout door on the C side. Open up that door and the windows on the first floor, hit that bitch with the PPV fan and it would’ve been clear in about 2 minutes, max. Lot of unnecessary damage here, starting because of no 360° and zero communication or skill.

  • @patrick9440
    @patrick9440 Год назад

    At the start the smoke is barley lifting, any rookie should be able to tell the fire is very small and could be knocked down with the can, but that requires going inside.

  • @adambaker6699
    @adambaker6699 Год назад +1

    How hard is it to turn your pass alarms off. Lazy firefighters

  • @moemcgovern7345
    @moemcgovern7345 2 года назад +1

    Beautiful home.

    • @williamheber2118
      @williamheber2118 2 года назад

      Was!

    • @JB91710
      @JB91710 2 года назад

      Until the fire department got their hands on it.

  • @emt8756
    @emt8756 Год назад

    What the hell is with the PASS going off for a long period of time. And why begin busting out windows when the fire is almost out….

  • @johnmarshall5453
    @johnmarshall5453 2 года назад

    Crews/personnel moving at a very disconcerted pace. No expedited effort to get lines in service, ladder the dwelling or ventilate.
    So sad what the volunteer fire service has become.

  • @mcmullinyardhaunt
    @mcmullinyardhaunt Год назад

    Are all the white helmets chiefs in this area? If so why are they going in and not directing the firemen. Seemed a lil slow on water but not sure on the arrival vs. time time the video started.

    • @patrickklaus1598
      @patrickklaus1598 8 месяцев назад

      That department any line officer has a white helmet from LT through Chief

    • @mcmullinyardhaunt
      @mcmullinyardhaunt 8 месяцев назад

      @patrickklaus1598 thanks for the information. Seems like a confusing idea, but not my circus so maybe it works for them.

  • @watchthe1369
    @watchthe1369 Год назад

    Obviously a volunteer department that does not get fires often.

  • @hackmanoutdoors1626
    @hackmanoutdoors1626 9 месяцев назад

    Smdh this is why you do a 360. Fire should have been in check way sooner first line on the ground should have been pulled to basement door at seat of the fire.

  • @ChrisGillmer
    @ChrisGillmer 9 месяцев назад

    They have smash windows and cut holes in the roof to vent the smoke. Snd and vent the heat out

  • @EGM5135
    @EGM5135 5 месяцев назад

    That's What I Worry About When Lightning Hits My House Very Hard

  • @moemcgovern7345
    @moemcgovern7345 2 года назад +2

    What State is this?

  • @rockyfortune3537
    @rockyfortune3537 4 месяца назад

    Look! Fire!

  • @johnsonwilliam1023
    @johnsonwilliam1023 2 года назад +2

    Make sure that door stays open! And he did just that! Lol

  • @thenussbaum44
    @thenussbaum44 2 года назад +2

    Basement fire = hole in the roof???????????????????????????

    • @JB91710
      @JB91710 2 года назад

      They do it because they always have and because it's fun. Do you think potential CEO's become firefighters?

    • @firefighterpk2440
      @firefighterpk2440 Год назад

      Would make sense on an old balloon construction because a basement fire would be in the attic, but not on this place. Set up a fan, open doors and windows and horizontal vent

    • @JB91710
      @JB91710 Год назад

      @@firefighterpk2440 Suffocation is the key to slowing extension. VVing only increases air flow and oxygen content. In a balloon constructed house, VVing destroys everything much faster as there is little chance of getting water between the studs in the walls that are covered with plaster or drywall.

    • @firefighterpk2440
      @firefighterpk2440 Год назад

      @@JB91710 I agree with you to an extent, hopefully when the first in crew gets downstairs, the fire hasn't vented the roof, and they can get steam up the walls and into the attic space and lay the fire down.......... I started out in rural farm country with primarily old balloon construction farm houses, and ran on several of them. Also did a lot of ( in service training) ride along shifts with Detroit FD, and pretty much everything we ran on there was BC. There, they opened up a lot of roofs and put a master stream off a ladder or platform. I, myself really don't like VV and would rather do HV with a PPV fan. Usually we're short on manpower and don't have the guys to put on the roof anyway.

    • @JB91710
      @JB91710 Год назад +1

      @@firefighterpk2440 Being inside the basement during or after a basement fire is dangerous. Flammable liquids are usually stored in basements. If you know you have a basement fire and it is most likely in the walls, you can run a pair of horizontal chain saw cuts between the windows at ground level while other FFers rip out the boards and then use a 90-degree nozzle to blast a stream up the space into the attic.
      Then you can open a hole in the top floor ceiling and shoot a stream around the attic with another 90-degree nozzle to get water down the walls. To do this efficiently, practice makes perfect. The benefits of finding an abandoned house to test the theory.

  • @jonprendergast7705
    @jonprendergast7705 8 месяцев назад

    wear your flash hoods always fellas

  • @frankrizzo6186
    @frankrizzo6186 2 года назад +1

    Ain’t nobody wants to go inside

  • @babigos73
    @babigos73 9 месяцев назад

    These guys need a little lesson in flow path. This could have ended very poorly

  • @brianbyrnell3254
    @brianbyrnell3254 2 года назад +1

    Lol "make sure that door stays open" FF #1 ok, FF#2 just pull that bitch out of their!

  • @FastRoperN4
    @FastRoperN4 Год назад

    Bro your airpack reset that shit

  • @roguemodel
    @roguemodel Год назад

    Obviously did not do a 360.

  • @1Brianjohnson.
    @1Brianjohnson. 2 года назад +1

    Mr Adams forgot to pull his hood up over his head

    • @jmchinch
      @jmchinch 2 года назад +1

      Didn’t matter, he was doing everything he could to stay out of the building

  • @jasonribaudojr.2039
    @jasonribaudojr.2039 2 года назад

    2:57 kicking the door 🚪 😳

  • @poconos66
    @poconos66 Год назад

    like how they just break the door off as if there saying fu** it not my house.. there gonna need to build a new home by the time these guys get done...smh

    • @cjritchie9701
      @cjritchie9701 10 месяцев назад

      The door that’s basically destroyed from heat and smoke damage? Right buddy

  • @ffvasey3601
    @ffvasey3601 2 года назад +1

    Un…real……..

  • @newtonmoreria4915
    @newtonmoreria4915 Год назад

    ???

  • @BigDuke-md8ec
    @BigDuke-md8ec 2 года назад

    Yikes

  • @tompinnef6331
    @tompinnef6331 Год назад

    If you attack a fire in the back where it's venting. You can and will push the fire though out the house. You need to vent / open up the house / building to get rid of heat and smoke.

    • @CBB-dg9jy
      @CBB-dg9jy Год назад

      Not if you use a smooth bore or a straight stream. UL has done multiple studies on this.

    • @hackmanoutdoors1626
      @hackmanoutdoors1626 9 месяцев назад

      You can't push fire with water smh

    • @tompinnef6331
      @tompinnef6331 9 месяцев назад

      @@hackmanoutdoors1626 sure you can. basic firefighter classes will teach you that.

    • @hackmanoutdoors1626
      @hackmanoutdoors1626 9 месяцев назад

      @@tompinnef6331 literally you can't lmao. Idk what classes you been in but that's a myth.

    • @hackmanoutdoors1626
      @hackmanoutdoors1626 9 месяцев назад

      @@tompinnef6331 it's literally been study after study that proves this is a myth and it's a old firemens fable. You should checkout all the studies by the ATF this has literally been proven with live fires that you can not push fire with water into unburned portions of a structure.

  • @bobdoe8771
    @bobdoe8771 Год назад

    Terrible!!

  • @JB91710
    @JB91710 2 года назад +5

    1:00 YOU NEVER GET ON TOP OF A FIRE YOU CAN EXTINGUISH FROM THE FIRE LEVEL. That was brain dead stupidity to go inside the first floor to extinguish the basement fire you have complete access to from the exterior. The camera person could find the fire, why not the officer in charge?
    2:45 This is a perfect example of the incompetence of USA fireplaying.
    3:00 guess what officers shouldn't be doing. Performing physical work. If they find they have to, then they aren't leaders.
    3:35 Then the officers go inside while they leave the Lawn Statues outside to think for themselves? Where's a fully dressed RIT to go inside to relieve or rescue those Zombie officers?
    5:20 With the basement fire knocked down, all you have to do is go inside and lower the top sashes. But hey, we have a Break Windows Because We Can card to play so why not?
    6:25 Now we perform the brain-dead tactic of cutting holes in the roof because heat rises. And without our SCBA working.

    • @eldoradoboy
      @eldoradoboy 2 года назад

      alot of things done wrong, however if this is a volunteer dept with possibly a single mutual aid that hadnt arrived yet then yeah officers are gonna turn out and go attack.. they have to... but I 100% agree with other points.. so often i see departments smash windows when they could easily be opened from the inside.. THAT SAID.. in the USA a lot of PLASTIC WINDOW FRAMES are used.. and it was easy to see the fire was near that lower window.. may have actually melted it shut on the inside.. those frames warp easy so its possible it couldnt be opened.. also a lot of cheap vinyl windows in the USA dont have moving top sashes... they are single-hung.. when I built my house I had to pay extra to have wood-frame interior windows with both sashes that open..

    • @JB91710
      @JB91710 2 года назад

      @@eldoradoboy Most USA firefighters wouldn't bother to check. That would require a strong and responsible work ethic.

    • @eldoradoboy
      @eldoradoboy 2 года назад

      @@JB91710 true!.. I do see some departments that only ever open windows vs break them during overhaul.. I cant say that this fire was in overhaul at the time but sure looked like the Lower level was pretty dark at the time... i also found it looked interesting.. appeared at the end someone was trying to perform hydraulic ventilation in the upper level... they already had a fan prepared.. im used to only seeing hydraulic ventilation during active fire conditions to try and clear down an area quick to gain visibility.. not to fully empty the room of residual smoke...

    • @CBB-dg9jy
      @CBB-dg9jy Год назад +1

      @@JB91710 you sure make some big assumptions about all US firefighters.

    • @JB91710
      @JB91710 Год назад

      @@CBB-dg9jy I've been STUDYING their PERFORMANCE for the past 13 years, not just watching the pretty fire trucks and the flames. I also have 40 years of experience in the USA workforce to know how childish people are at that LOW end of the employment scale. Window breaking and water squirting isn't brain surgery. No assumptions in my comments! You Assume, I assume.

  • @tomfuller1579
    @tomfuller1579 5 месяцев назад

    So the fire is in the basement. Let's send a line in the front door. Then send a line in the back door, not knowing where the other crew is, no coordination. Let's bust out every window. Then let's vent the roof. Who in the hell was in command of this pooch screw. So much damn freelancing and no command structure at all.

  • @BC-of7qx
    @BC-of7qx 10 месяцев назад

    Crazy, they have no sense of urgency here they need more training for sure