Gaslighting, lying, denying, blame-shifting, claiming to not remember, playing the victim ... I heard all of this in a single phone call with my mother in 2018. I felt like vomiting all over the phone.
I know the feeling, friend. I would double over with stomach pain every time s text would come through. I would go to bed so confused and my head spinning after a convo with her. Thank God I woke up and deal with things much better. Like very very limited contact. It still ends up being too much. She’s an absolute demon…..
But do not forget that's how they feel internally they deflecting to confuse you for you not to see them for who they are .😂😂😂❤love your self forget about the Narcissistic.
Yeah you can’t talk about your feelings it’s so hurtful especially when you love them and if your hurt by they’re behavior your “feeling bad for yourself”
It’s not about u…is the line I can’t stand hearing when it’s them dragging me into something they caused and then dumping the problem into my lap…and then told it’s not about me.,,if I’m dragged into something..,and it causes me personal issues then yes it’s about me in my world! It’s mind blowing….
My ex would walk away when I tried to talk to him. When I told him that I felt unloved and unappreciated, he would say. "Here you go again. It is all about you. You are so selfish. You are a crazy fool." If I tell him about when I see him flirting with another woman. He would just say, " So you are jealous about your man eh."
She always blamed me for the awful communication every time , she was always do crap that she would never take responsibility and accountability to fix the situation. She would want us to go to therapy for communication, it’s impossible to ever communicate your needs to a person that’s emotionally absent, it will never work
Yes! NEVER reveal that they got to you! They will double down on the behavior!!! When you realize that that is happening you really have no choice but to leave!!
It’s so true! He would ask me questions about how I felt about certain betrayals in which he confessed to because he wanted to come clean 🤦♀️ just another one of his many fake changes since the last “changed Man” (His mask) wasn’t working. He had to switch it up..but anyways, I would tell him how much it hurt me and then I noticed he would do it more and more. He kept revealing his tire self to me. It was soul crushing and it’s like he got joy out of my pain. Then when I’d show emotion or extreme hurt, he would blame me somehow! He was never empathic to my feelings and emotions. It always made him angry and annoyed. Only time he showed he care or understood was when he was trying to Hoover me. I used to just think he finally got it and made changes! But then it was short lived and back at square one. Thinking back over the last 13 years has been hurtful but a lot of things makes sense now. I see the real him and it’s very ugly.
The problem has been that none of us knew there were rules of engagement until recently. We didnt knowit was a battle and onlt they kneq the rules. We thought it was just straightforward communication. But thats not how it is. Very sad that so many people have fallen foul of this and have suffered.
There is no reasoning with them, simply put. Saying, "let's figure this out, let's find a solution, a common ground." They will just keep going in circles and in the end it's all your fault. To them it's about winning a game you never even knew you were playing and didn't want to play.
I have been with a narc for 11 years…. I have heard it all. I have studied it for years!! But this video 🙌🏼 “To a narcissist life is a poker game, they are hiding all their cards, they don’t want you to know how they really feel about things, they don’t want you to know exactly what they are up to or what they want, they don’t want you to know what’s really going on in their head, they don’t want you to know what their real motives are, or really anything about them, they are constantly hiding a whole hand of cards, and when you’re in a relationship with someone like that you are probably a more open book, you probably don’t realize that you’re with someone that wants to hide things from you….” This^^^ 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼Haven’t heard anyone say this part before and trust me I’ve probably watched 90% of narcissistic education vids out there….. But this statement is soooo accurate and helps me make sense of SO much!!!
This is exactly what my soon ex husband is. His lack of conversation was always puzzling to me. I didn't realize exactly what he is until the brutal discard. They are very malicious, vile, and destructive. Youre so correct, looking back, he never appreciated the stability i am. Always grooming others, just evil 😈
I find out I was in a narcissist relationship with someone about 5 years ago, I have read watch videos movies etc. since then. One thing I learned was not to even try to reason with them, It is a waste of my time
I truly believe they lack the ability to think logically and clearly. They can be secretive, conniving and clever - but be a logical, rational person, no.
Is it just easier for those of us who AREN'T masochistic to understand that hitting your OWN head against a brick wall won't ever make a person who's hurting you care?
@@TryM.yVivier I’m so drained and don’t see the end of the tunnel. I find myself always in so much pain and never ending depression and sadness. Hopefully we’ll both get out of this and live our lives freely
@@sassygirl7817 how are you doing today?? I really don't reach out and stay totally isolated since I made the mistake of moving hundreds of miles away from anyone I know & now live in a 1street town where our nearest neighbors are almost 1/2 mile away to live with my narc ,in his family's house, having no idea his brother (who's 76,) &owns the place, has an entire lifelong history of sexually abusing every person he's ever been around, including daughters, and grand daughters, nieces, ECT. Makes for a hell of a good reason to just stay locked in my room all of the time. So I appreciate this type of channel and don't want to sound like Debbie downer, but was thinking that you're probably going through it too. Sorry this for so long winded. I hope you are doing better today .
Speaking about chaos and drama, it is in my experience an inevitable outcome in dealing with them at any point. I was raised in a generationally traumatized family system with high narcissistic traits and manipulations. I am a middle aged self employed carpenter. I no longer have any capacity to deal with them. I do all I can to spot them before actually doing business with them. I have an intake phone call that is a series of questions I give them and I just listen. I also have a section of my contract that is outlines actions and situations that is a breech of contract and allows me to terminate the contract on site. I have been working for myself for over 20 years, through this journey of learning about how I got here I came to realize almost all of my clients were high in narcissistic traits. They would repetitiously play the same games, despite them not knowing each other. Those games are the blueprint that breech of contract came from.
This is all too true. Just last night our 1-year-old was crying, and I told my husband to comfort her, but all he heard was "You're the problem; you made the baby cry", so he defensively played on his phone instead of comforting the baby while I was bathing our 3-year-old. And then he immediately went to bed instead of talk about the situation.
@@cressiddabreo5683 I have been taking on all of the duties of our children on myself, sleepless nights and everything that comes with it for 6 years. He finally moved out two days ago. Now I’m free 🩷 I can’t wait to heal and be happy
Trying to reason or attempting to help them understand how you feel about what they are doing is painful . I literally felt like I was having a burning deep inside my brain while trying to communicate with her how she was making me feel. One time I literally poured my heart out to her over the phone why I feel so hurt by her , and there was dead silence , I asked if she was still there , she said yes . I said I thought maybe we got disconnected as you did not say anything , and she replied that she was just looking outside her window , like she had no interest in even acknowledging what I had said , leave alone to help address what I said .
And they desperately go through lengths to try to get you to understand why they're doing what they're doing lmao they're just as weak as they THINK their target is. Their motives do not concern me & their feelings behind their madness do not matter. They're the ones who really are HURT 😂😂
Every time I tried to engage and communicate with my ex Narc he would turn it into a huge fight ..that went no where except him breaking it off only to get back together a few days later ... saying that the relationship is so great etc. This was a perpetual cycle. He never wanted any communication. He hated it with a passion. While chaos and drama persisted I was immobilised while he just seemed to thrive and be more focused with life than ever before. I asked him about it many times and he said he was able to compartmentalize . Put it in a box in the forest and come back to it later. Of course he just didn't care enough that's all it was. Of course according to him I was argumentative because I tried to communicate. It didn't matter with how much love and kindness I tried to approach the conversations with he always turned it around and it blew up in my face. I realised he will never change. His whole life was based on his ego ...his grandeur idea of who he was. He was angry because I didn't put him on the pedestal he felt he deserved. He would call me out on that all the time. Narcs often hold positions of social standing. Professors, Bishops, politicians, councillors etc Don't think because they are educated especially in areas such as counselling that they can't possibly be a Narc ....that's exactly where they hide .
His responses were 'clinical'. 'Textbook'. He refused and or could not meet me on an emotional page. He would respond with 'psychological babble'. Never a hug, never a sincere effort to comfort me. To me this is disturbing.
So relatable! It’s like his responses would make sense, (sometimes) but I could just tell something was off and there wasn’t any real substance behind it. Like he heard it before or knew it was what I wanted to hear…once I started catching on to him, he would break up with me in the most cruel way…then a couple months later come back with this apology that seemed so sincere…I realized his words were just empty words with no action behind it. So crazy I dealt with this for so many years. Never knew it was a disorder. 🤦♀️
It's too bad because we could have made it as a couple. Because I never felt heard and nothing was ever worked out I went into a deep depression and started self medicating. I stopped wanting to go anywhere with him and be around him and so the relationship fell apart . Now I'm completely turned off from being with a man because I'm afraid this will happen again.
Narcs have asked me the most personal of questions throughout my life - it took me a long time to figure it out - they need to have something on you and it will come flying back in your face sometime down the road.
As an example regarding what you said about an narcissist contacting an ex-girlfriend and the current girlfriend doesn't like it instead of her saying it makes me uncomfortable and then he the narcissist will retaliate with a myriad of excuses or gaslighting. This is what I think the current girlfriend should do. She has to be prepared to let this relationship go in the first place and she should say the following,' If you continue to contact your ex this relationship (meaning the relationship the current girlfriend has with a narcissist) IS OVER." You only have to say it one time, but you have to be sure the narcissist actually hears you and computes it in their narcissistic brain. Then if it happens and you know it, will you simply leave them ghost them? Go gray rock. Block them on your phone. They have to know you mean business. To say that they will just get somebody else or go back to the ex-girlfriend then EXCEPT THAT, because they were never really in a relationship with the current girlfriend to begin with. You are doing yourself a favor. You are lansing something cancerous from your soul. if you say this but don't follow through then you have in effect created a worst case scenario than the original problem. DO NOT allow a double standard in any relationship, whether it's with a narcissist or what is considered a Normal Person. Most narcissists are what is known as a "Playa," They like to have several relationships going on at the same time. Some of it is for sexual gratification to boost their ego, but at the core basis is always the source of supply. You may have your favorite beverage, but if you drink it all you won't have any more of that beverage. However, the narcissist has something else in the back of the refrigerator that will do until you find something to replace your favorite beverage. That's how narcissists operate. They never go without & the sooner the current partner realizes that and cuts ties with a narcissist, the better off they will be. They will be able to move on to a healthy relationship in time with someone else. Can you experience for them? Narcissist will be the shock of being cut off. They will won't even be able to contact the current girlfriend or boyfriend in their life to complain because you will have cut them off. I don't believe that narcissists think that their current significant other will ever follow through with what they say. You have to be very stern with them and let them know the first time will be the last time. You don't have to speak about it again and when you discover that they have done the exact thing you warned them about, YOU MUST FOLLOW THROUGH WITH CUTTING THEM OFF PERMANENTLY AND DON'T GO BACK.
I grew up in a family and married into a family who refused to discuss anything to come to a solution. Reconciliation is only possible when we give up and do what the narcissist wants. Sadly this family system influenced our children and they too cannot be reasoned with about anything. They all just fight when confronted with their rude behavior. It only takes one time of attempting to discuss a matter and we become a target and will gossip using half-truths and lies to influence others against us.
My mother in law is like this. My dad was too, so I put up with her 18 yrs. When I finally started speaking up and having a boundary or difference, she simply began giving me the silent treatment and refuses now to even look at me. Wish I had understood this stuff better 20 yrs ago.
@@dawntreader815 it takes years of experience to understand things very well. We could not have known what was happening just by someone telling us, we had to experience it to believe it.
They definitely talk at you , especially when on the 📱 phone when you say can I just respond to what you’re saying they use ANY excuse .... I have to go to the toilet, my train has just pulled up , my phone battery is on low etc etc .
I am shadow banned so you won't see this, but just wanted to say you are 100% on point and your clarity about these narcs is a bright light. The PhD analysis is great, but you have a PhD is experience. All of us who have battled these demons and survived know you are the real deal. I say survive because it is like being a military veteran because you are never really the same. There is no going back to seeing the world the same way you did before. After battling these demons on many fronts, I no longer see the world along race or class terms, this is a battle between humanity and demons, period. I no longer compromise with these things, once I check the boxes on these narcs, this last round it took be 3 months, I'm out, there is no negotiating with these demons. No compromise. Just take your time back and leave. We need to vote back dueling into law because it is unbelievable these things walk amongst us.
This Woman Really Tells it How it is. Love The Part about Gaslighting and How Partners will Try to Gaslight You just to Break your Boundaries Calling You "Controlling" "Insecure" and Even "Abusive" 😂 The Projection is Incredible Sometimes
I have totally experienced this. It didnt take me long to figure out the more I voiced my wants , needs, whatever.even something as simple as dont give my dog the treats with wheat because he us sensitive, the more he woulddo it. Like he had memory loss or was dumber than a rock.
Your basically Spot ON!! They pretend to be confused like you said. They pretend your not there… and no accountability when you confront the hurt/pain they cause. This is my experience with a vulnerable religious narcissist.
Yes, they’ll even say “I didn’t say that- word for word” and call you a liar 😢 At that point you’re so anxious that you can’t remember what they said “word for word” but that doesn’t even matter & the convo goes in circles.
I've passed this video by several times because I am three years out from ending a 35 year marriage and I thought the information would be too late to make any difference for me. The example you cite (telling them you are uncomfortable with texting an old girlfriend) was so similar to the final straw of our relationship. I told him politely, I was uncomfortable with him meeting other women who I did not know for potentially sailing with him on our boat (I was amazed I had to tell him this!!). He shot back that I was creating drama and there was nothing wrong with what he was doing. Shortly after this, I found a picture posted of another woman on our boat. I realized then what you describe so well in your video (as always) that he just didn't care and nothing I said or asked meant anything to him. He would do as he pleased regardless of how much it hurt me. Its been a rough journey but I'm moving forward. Thanks for another great video that explains the experience so clearly.
I divorced my wife after 6 months because she could not stop talking to her abusive ex BF. She gave me the same lines about controlling, insecure, immature etc etc. Fine. I left. Nobody is controlling her now.
This is so good. I have had relationships with more than one narcissist but one in particular. Have to keep a healthy emotional distance from a narcissist..
You are unbelievable. Wow!!!! Were they born that way or did something trigger them from their youth? His favorite words, especially when I was hurting and wanting an apology.... "let's move on." Can I tell you how that made me feel? He's written me several two-or three-word emails saying nothing really, conspicuously not addressing what broke us up. Instead he sends me back emails I'd sent to him years ago telling him how much I loved him. In one of those 'forwards', he actually asked "where did all that love go?" A proper narcissist, I tell you. I definitely dodged a bullet there. Oh, he says he owns me, every part of me and that he will never let me go. I still can't believe I got involved with him but the love-bombing in the beginning fooled me. What can I say?
I,ll keep it simple this time. No you cant. It's a constant conflict for their pleasure. These blogs are a vivid reminder of what I'm missing...so glad about that, lol. Ps.. I have cats too. The narc hated animals. I think that was to degrade my life choice. No surprise there. One of those huge boundary busters. 😼
The ex narc I was w also did not like animals. Although in certain public situations he would pretend to like dogs and pat the dog on the head bc the narc knows it makes him look good to like animals.
Im so depressed! I can never express my feelings w/out him getting angry. He goes into a rage..He threatened to throw me down the stairs, hit me, threw me to the ground, smashed my phone, hit the wall. Hes a compulsive liar, verbally abusive and has been physically abusive. When I'm vulnerable he'll use my vulnerabilities against me. I'm addicted to him n I think trauma bonding.
You have the best presentation on the narcissist that I have ever heard. Very down to earth! And well spoken! For the clearest truth about why communication does not work, I am so grateful! And you are right about this: A narcissist will cause the chaos, and then, come in and "save the day!"
Holy crap…this is exactly what I’ve been trying to convey to my friend. As I put it: They’ve already made their mind up without even giving any clear communication. They make YOUR mind up FOR YOU. That’s pretty much what my friend has had happen in his marriage. She persuaded him to go to couples therapy and made out as if it could help prevent imminent divorce. But he’s found out she made her AND his mind up FOR him way before even starting it and giving things a chance. It’s like she always does these covert things to control things, but is the first to accuse him of controlling, even when his supportive comments are nowhere near controlling.
They always answer my questions with an answer that are irrelevant to what I asked!! Off the wall from outer space. I’m always confused just being near a narc, or, unfortunately, just thinking about them. It’s horrible.
I’ve always referred to my husband as my roommate whom Is a robot. I never understood him never wanting to talk about the situation / argument that just happened. Never has an now I see ..never will. It’s a loosing battle. I also noticed he says what he wants to say but he doesn’t listen even to the point he will talk over me. never has said I’m sorry what was you saying. But he has in his head what I said or was saying which is not at all what actually came out of my mouth. When he knows I’m mad he will get way more mad he will get loud so I will shut up. Also it feels like he tries his best to pull the worse out of me , he wants anger out of me an have me act up. once got a camera an was going to record me. but when I turned it around on him an showed him what he looks like he threw another fit an acted like what he just watched himself do. Makes no sense to me!!!! Oh yeah almost forgot we’ve been married 21 years.
Ok, i am confused, so what you basically are telling here is that because I don't talk to my husband about what he considers are problems and don't express stress the way he wants me to, then I am a narcissist? Maybe I am, but then I can say so is everyone else. I mean isn't everyone different? I am not allowed to react how I feel? I am normal only if I fight constantly? To what in my opinion doesn't matter since even if I have a 3 day discussion on a subject, no matter what I say the final answer is the one he chose at the very beginning. So if this makes me a narcissist, then by all means, I am a narcissist.
Great info. You've answered the question that I didn't know I needed. Now I know that I can't go forward with the in and out type of person. I believe you've save me from a lot more hurt and toxicity in the future. Thanks for sharing.
Nearly 20 years of stonewalling and abuse has been a challenge to heal from and find a way to communicate with others again. The ex, on the other hand, puts on the mask and is just fine.
Having a conversation with a narcissist is worthless ~ they gaslight ~ then act like everything is ok ~ and don't know why you are so upset over nothing ~ then can we have sex ~ no way no way I can't do this anymore I am so done
Excellent video thank you not until I went no contact and text only with my ex-husband was I finally able to speak and be heard if he deflected or ignored me I just hit send again if he gas let me I just referred to the text to prove that I wasn't crazy it was so amazing to finally hear my own voice for the first time and to trust my own mind again
Yes. It helps that everything is right there in text and not a conversation you have to remember in your head. When I question myself if I made the right choice I just look at the text thread and confirm with myself that I don't want to talk to him.
My ex would project her boredom onto me. She couldn’t admit she was bored with me, so she just accused me of being bored with her. And how did she remedy that situation? By picking fights. She seemed to think we had a fighting deficit. She was addicted to that sense of relief that you get after a fight, felt it was the highest form of bonding. Well it was successful at stopping my boredom!, But it had the unfortunate side effect of turning our relationship into a war zone, causing me to run away from her like my life depended on it, because it did!
Yes!! I’m done with talking to my narc I’m so over it. You were spot on when you said they’re bored without the drama I’ve always noticed this about him he constantly needs drama I said I’m too boring for him he loves drama fighting we can be getting along great and it’s like he’ll find something to argue about anything and I hate it.
Mine literally texted me and said he was bored. I said to myself, watch, he is going to start a fight. Within 15 min we were in a huge fight. I literally called it but got sucked in anyway.
The Poker analogy accurately describes the Narcissist's strategy. My Ex was addicted to an internet game called "Othello" which is a game of strategy. I suspected the game was helping him perfect the manipulation and mind games he was playing on me. The internet game is based on Shakespeare's play, Othello, who was manipulated into murdering his wife, Desdemona, by a malevolent villain, Iago, who deceived him that she had committed adultery. When Othello learned his wife was innocent, he committed suicide. My Ex was also determined to destroy my family relationships and he nearly succeeded. I appreciated your most appropriate analogy for the Narcissists' modus operandi.
The person who is not interested in communication with a close family member or spouse about boundaries, feelings, et cetera, won't give you consistent basic decent behavior, has a severe case of narcissistic personality disorder, so much so that it is interfering with healthy relationships, and we have to face it... they are mentally ill. I have had to face it about a close family member.
When you try to teach them things it’s true they do react that way but they will also take what you said and apply it if it’s something they’re interested in they just won’t give you credit for it. They will just act like they knew already Or leaned on their own
This vitally important video followed on from other ones I'd watched while cooking and eating a meal etc and it's a timely reminder to NOT convey to my highly narcissistic sister that I was triggered by seeing upsetting photos she sent before my birthday last month and at Christmas! I'm not sure if she did it on purpose, or was just oblivious to the effect they'd have on me due to her lack of empathy and compassion, which was caused by various issues. I was going to mention how upset I was at the time, but ended up writing a short message (she lives in another country and don't talk on the phone) and thanked her for sending them, which didn't seem right. Do you and/or any followers think that it's best to leave it at that now?! I want to add that she has the usual narcissistic behaviours, so often uses DARVO when I mention issues. She used to regularly criticise me and has physically assaulted me as well, hence why I asked her to leave when she was staying at my place again. 🙁
It doesn’t sound like there is much to gain from the relationship. Your sister takes your agency & her negativity is taking up space in your mind and heart where other things could be… look into “no contact” videos, some are about family & are immensely helpful.
I'm so glad I just watched this video! I'm arguing with my boyfriend right now about him talking to his ex wife. For 6 years. It's not as bad as it was in the beginning. But he doesn't care what I say.
Thank you! I received a voicemail from my mom( I’m no contact but i don’t block her calls)I NEVER pick up.her voicemail is Always a reminder that I’m doing the right thing. Apparently my brother ( who I have no contact with because he’s a Narc.) had a surgery. Obviously a perfect reason for her to try to prey on me. Then I opened a bday card from her thinking I could handle it. I can but the day of receiving it I was angry. It had a note saying she needs to know what happened in the past. My Mom is telling people I don’t speak to her because she thinks my Uncle molested me . WTF told others he did to her too. With the exception of his creepy predatory behavior I managed to run from his attempt to kiss me when I was about 8. The least of my problems ( & He did that to all my cousins) Absolutely gross that she’s telling people not to mention if he did that to her she didn’t attempt to protect myself & my siblings. Yes, So she has it in her head that’s why I don’t speak to her eventhough I told her 100 times why. I will not be disregarded, disrespected, diminished etc….. So, Thanks again . I will not be trying to explain again. She can take her story to her grave & Answer when she arrives @ the Pearly gates. Soooo sick
I have been blessed with one son that is such a good kid..so sweet and kind..a beautiful soul that everyone seems to want to crush…my Odesa son has turned out to be the worst type of narcissist and I’ve been in denial until I saw what he says about me and his little brother behind our backs..my oldest son has stolen so much from us and now has ghosted us….honestly, after learning what he’s been doing and saying about me and the consequences that have come from his slander..he doesn’t care one bit if I’m dead or alive …thank God my youngest son is nothing like his father and brother and that they’re now completely out of our lives…im not letting him back into our lives for our own protection…my youngest son doesn’t deserve the bs they’re wanting to place on him…my youngest son has such a bright future without his brothers and his fathers abuse and I plan on making sure he has the opportunities to grow into the successful brilliant man I know he will be…I love my sons so much but if I let him continue scapegoating us…then I’m just enabling our own destruction..so I love him enough to let him go…he’s on his own and can just rely on his father 100% now…
I'm so glad your video appeared on my feed, thank you very much for the information shared. I've worked with survivors of domestic violences and feel validated by what you explained. I understand narcissistic abuse but began to doubt what I know about abusers when my job had introduced "restorative justice" practice and I was being told, I'm being "closed minded" for not embracing this for D.V. survivors but after hearing your information, I know I'm wasn't wrong. It would be great to hear your opinion on the practice of "restorative Justice" in cases of domestic violences/narcissistic abuse 🙏
One thing about intentions…when you enter into the relationship with a narcissist they will say that they want the same thing you do. They will assume that you also have a hidden agenda. Their idea of an “equal” relationship is for you to become an unpaid worker in every way the narc wishes for you to please them.
This was very important for me to listen. Already out of a relationship. Did last 4 years, and 4 years too long. I am very happy to be free. Thank you❤
It's a stalemate because the narcissist does not care about hurting your feelings and your awakening is proof that you don't care about his feelings. This is why most relationships involving a narcissist most all expire before the death of one of the relationship participants. A narcissist is a "frienenemy".
many narcs just do not understand. and its not the lack of intelligence but this completely alien to normal life mind of theirs. they just see the whole world and life so much different way than the rest of us, that talking to them is just waste of time. i remember this one narc who just understood nothing i tried to say. he only could talk about stuff he could see at that point of time. only tangible simple stuff. music, art, philosophy, global news, politics, science...all my favourite subjects were just completely impossible things to talk about with him. so we just never talked nothing.
My psychiatrist advised me to stop allowing my ex to pull me into worthless arguments. I wasted so much time trying to be understood, only to be manipulated later.
This video really helped me and I had so many lightbulb moments. He behaved almost to a T, they way you described in most of Your examples. I think having some validation that I wasn’t crazy is going to help me along in my recovery process
A relative om mine has got himself a girlfriend who once (as far as i know) didnt talk to him for a whole week. They live together. Is it likely that this has happened just once? I tend to believe not. Why would he accept such behaviour? I would have kicked her ass out the door after a few days!
I had a sibling who was lame enough to accept the sleeping in different bedrooms arrangement a decade into their marriage. I know people with way more sexual value than me or him had go through this on occasion, and thankfully they got out of that situation because it's hopeless! Silent treatment wars should not be accepted by anyone. That's nothing but a SILENT TEMPER TANTRUM that no one should accept!
This is truth, and it helps. This is helping more than all the others. The others( other people who talk about this subject) are full of revenge, disrespect, but this has the right explainations and focus.
I have recently discovered that my daughter in law has strong narcissistic behavior and view points - in fact she is classic! Wish I had figured it out much earlier in my life, but better late than never. In effort to help my son-in-law to understand what is going on with her, I have watched over 500 videos and read many essays on the topic of personality disorders. I appreciate you approach and insight. Thank you!
My husband used to CONSTANTLY ask a really stupid question when I made a statement of my own, you know, just shared something and instead of engaging with what I said in a normal, continuing type of way to encourage me to keep talking about what I was saying, he'd ask this question that would stop me in my tracks, cause total cognitive dissonance and confusion. He had to control the narrative all the time. It drove me crazy. Towards the end, when he did it, i just ignored him, didn't answer. I also told him to stop it eventually but I didn't know then he was filing that away to be used later on for his pleasure. I do remember that day though I told him to stop it, i was having once again one of those ridiculous attempts at communicating a hurtful thing he did repeatedly and I knew that it was pointless. We got talking about me leaving him and he said i know you'll never leave me, oh yeah I said, why's that, because you came back he said. I remember sitting there and saying, I regularly think about leaving you and he got the shock of his life 😂 he knew i was telling the truth. I paid for that of course but I'm gone now, no contact and a protection order ❤ your videos are amazing ❤ thank you, helping me heal xxx
Talking with a narcissist is exhausting
One good reason to go no contact.
Extremely... 😂😢😅😊😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😢😢😢😢😢😢
Just a circular argument until a silent treatment possibly physical abuse too in my case when i was asleep!
You don't talk to a narc. They talk down to you, and you better listen and agree otherwise your the A-hole.
It is. They NEVER try to see things your way.
Every time I tried to talk to him about my needs or concerns he would leave the room.
Gaslighting, lying, denying, blame-shifting, claiming to not remember, playing the victim ... I heard all of this in a single phone call with my mother in 2018. I felt like vomiting all over the phone.
Nausea is constant when around a narc.
I know the feeling, friend. I would double over with stomach pain every time s text would come through. I would go to bed so confused and my head spinning after a convo with her. Thank God I woke up and deal with things much better. Like very very limited contact. It still ends up being too much. She’s an absolute demon…..
But do not forget that's how they feel internally they deflecting to confuse you for you not to see them for who they are .😂😂😂❤love your self forget about the Narcissistic.
if you talk to a narcissist how you feel. they would say that you have a self centered issue. it is always your problem if you talk to them.
I hear shut up
Needless to say , I learned why talk to him ...I cause him to hit me for what I say ..
Yeah you can’t talk about your feelings it’s so hurtful especially when you love them and if your hurt by they’re behavior your “feeling bad for yourself”
It’s not about u…is the line I can’t stand hearing when it’s them dragging me into something they caused and then dumping the problem into my lap…and then told it’s not about me.,,if I’m dragged into something..,and it causes me personal issues then yes it’s about me in my world! It’s mind blowing….
My ex would walk away when I tried to talk to him. When I told him that I felt unloved and unappreciated, he would say. "Here you go again. It is all about you. You are so selfish. You are a crazy fool." If I tell him about when I see him flirting with another woman. He would just say, " So you are jealous about your man eh."
She always blamed me for the awful communication every time , she was always do crap that she would never take responsibility and accountability to fix the situation. She would want us to go to therapy for communication, it’s impossible to ever communicate your needs to a person that’s emotionally absent, it will never work
Yes! NEVER reveal that they got to you! They will double down on the behavior!!! When you realize that that is happening you really have no choice but to leave!!
It’s so true! He would ask me questions about how I felt about certain betrayals in which he confessed to because he wanted to come clean 🤦♀️ just another one of his many fake changes since the last “changed Man” (His mask) wasn’t working. He had to switch it up..but anyways, I would tell him how much it hurt me and then I noticed he would do it more and more. He kept revealing his tire self to me. It was soul crushing and it’s like he got joy out of my pain. Then when I’d show emotion or extreme hurt, he would blame me somehow! He was never empathic to my feelings and emotions. It always made him angry and annoyed. Only time he showed he care or understood was when he was trying to Hoover me. I used to just think he finally got it and made changes! But then it was short lived and back at square one. Thinking back over the last 13 years has been hurtful but a lot of things makes sense now. I see the real him and it’s very ugly.
The way they revert to the same old hurtful behavior over and over again is soul crushing.
They hear what they want to hear! Once they think they have you figured out, that's it. You're in a box and you ain't getting out!
A box has never been hard to get out of unless you're deceased
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You are right. They refuse to communicate
I found out early that the Narc had a terminal disability in communication and therefore was a waste of my time. 🤐
Once you know the rules of engagement, it's your decision. Either it's acceptable, and you deal with it. Or it's unacceptable and you move on.
The problem has been that none of us knew there were rules of engagement until recently. We didnt knowit was a battle and onlt they kneq the rules. We thought it was just straightforward communication. But thats not how it is. Very sad that so many people have fallen foul of this and have suffered.
There is no reasoning with them, simply put. Saying, "let's figure this out, let's find a solution, a common ground." They will just keep going in circles and in the end it's all your fault. To them it's about winning a game you never even knew you were playing and didn't want to play.
Well the game is over & they're playing themselves
Exactly!
Liars, Cheaters and Thieves…
And pure EVIL.
I have been with a narc for 11 years….
I have heard it all. I have studied it for years!!
But this video 🙌🏼
“To a narcissist life is a poker game, they are hiding all their cards, they don’t want you to know how they really feel about things, they don’t want you to know exactly what they are up to or what they want, they don’t want you to know what’s really going on in their head, they don’t want you to know what their real motives are, or really anything about them, they are constantly hiding a whole hand of cards, and when you’re in a relationship with someone like that you are probably a more open book, you probably don’t realize that you’re with someone that wants to hide things from you….”
This^^^ 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼Haven’t heard anyone say this part before and trust me I’ve probably watched 90% of narcissistic education vids out there…..
But this statement is soooo accurate and helps me make sense of SO much!!!
Thank you for the feedback! Maybe I will isolate that quote and put it on Instagram.
I'm here 25 yrs ! He's soo much worse last 10
It's spot on...and that's the kind of energy I was often feeling.
Good. Then you also know how to hit back.....That is what YOU need to keep from them. Hit back , and deny for as long as possible...
@@LookingBehindtheMirror Make it a short video on YT.
Oh they'll tell you they HATE drama and are laid back lol
Oh yes. I’ve also heard that from someone that caused constant chaos.
They love the attention the drama brings back on them. The desperately need attention.
This is exactly what my soon ex husband is. His lack of conversation was always puzzling to me. I didn't realize exactly what he is until the brutal discard. They are very malicious, vile, and destructive. Youre so correct, looking back, he never appreciated the stability i am. Always grooming others, just evil 😈
They do random stuff and taking mental note of what you deem hurtful, to use later on. You cant make this s--t up...
I find out I was in a narcissist relationship with someone about 5 years ago, I have read watch videos movies etc. since then. One thing I learned was not to even try to reason with them, It is a waste of my time
I truly believe they lack the ability to think logically and clearly. They can be secretive, conniving and clever - but be a logical, rational person, no.
Is it just easier for those of us who AREN'T masochistic to understand that hitting your OWN head against a brick wall won't ever make a person who's hurting you care?
Yea stalking & harassing someone won't make them respect you either but they still do it like they got sum to gain
I’m breaking down right now because I’ve been going through this for 6 years now and I’m so depressed, disgusted and tired
O.M.G.,this is my situation. The6years, I be Never ever been Soo exhausted, so appalled, and devastated
@@TryM.yVivier I’m so drained and don’t see the end of the tunnel. I find myself always in so much pain and never ending depression and sadness. Hopefully we’ll both get out of this and live our lives freely
@@sassygirl7817 me too.
@@sassygirl7817 how are you doing today?? I really don't reach out and stay totally isolated since I made the mistake of moving hundreds of miles away from anyone I know & now live in a 1street town where our nearest neighbors are almost 1/2 mile away to live with my narc ,in his family's house, having no idea his brother (who's 76,) &owns the place, has an entire lifelong history of sexually abusing every person he's ever been around, including daughters, and grand daughters, nieces, ECT. Makes for a hell of a good reason to just stay locked in my room all of the time. So I appreciate this type of channel and don't want to sound like Debbie downer, but was thinking that you're probably going through it too. Sorry this for so long winded. I hope you are doing better today .
Speaking about chaos and drama, it is in my experience an inevitable outcome in dealing with them at any point. I was raised in a generationally traumatized family system with high narcissistic traits and manipulations. I am a middle aged self employed carpenter. I no longer have any capacity to deal with them. I do all I can to spot them before actually doing business with them. I have an intake phone call that is a series of questions I give them and I just listen. I also have a section of my contract that is outlines actions and situations that is a breech of contract and allows me to terminate the contract on site. I have been working for myself for over 20 years, through this journey of learning about how I got here I came to realize almost all of my clients were high in narcissistic traits. They would repetitiously play the same games, despite them not knowing each other. Those games are the blueprint that breech of contract came from.
This is all too true. Just last night our 1-year-old was crying, and I told my husband to comfort her, but all he heard was "You're the problem; you made the baby cry", so he defensively played on his phone instead of comforting the baby while I was bathing our 3-year-old. And then he immediately went to bed instead of talk about the situation.
Omg this happens with me everyday!!!😮
@@The.Sicilian.Realtorwow!! How do you deal with that?
@@cressiddabreo5683 I have been taking on all of the duties of our children on myself, sleepless nights and everything that comes with it for 6 years. He finally moved out two days ago. Now I’m free 🩷 I can’t wait to heal and be happy
Trying to reason or attempting to help them understand how you feel about what they are doing is painful . I literally felt like I was having a burning deep inside my brain while trying to communicate with her how she was making me feel. One time I literally poured my heart out to her over the phone why I feel so hurt by her , and there was dead silence , I asked if she was still there , she said yes . I said I thought maybe we got disconnected as you did not say anything , and she replied that she was just looking outside her window , like she had no interest in even acknowledging what I had said , leave alone to help address what I said .
And they desperately go through lengths to try to get you to understand why they're doing what they're doing lmao they're just as weak as they THINK their target is. Their motives do not concern me & their feelings behind their madness do not matter. They're the ones who really are HURT 😂😂
Every time I tried to engage and communicate with my ex Narc he would turn it into a huge fight ..that went no where except him breaking it off only to get back together a few days later ... saying that the relationship is so great etc.
This was a perpetual cycle.
He never wanted any communication. He hated it with a passion.
While chaos and drama persisted I was immobilised while he just seemed to thrive and be more focused with life than ever before. I asked him about it many times and he said he was able to compartmentalize . Put it in a box in the forest and come back to it later. Of course he just didn't care enough that's all it was.
Of course according to him I was argumentative because I tried to communicate. It didn't matter with how much love and kindness I tried to approach the conversations with he always turned it around and it blew up in my face.
I realised he will never change. His whole life was based on his ego ...his grandeur idea of who he was. He was angry because I didn't put him on the pedestal he felt he deserved. He would call me out on that all the time.
Narcs often hold positions of social standing. Professors, Bishops, politicians, councillors etc
Don't think because they are educated especially in areas such as counselling that they can't possibly be a Narc ....that's exactly where they hide .
There’s a great video on narcs and compartmentalization on raw motivation site
Guess they are projecting. So spot on a waste of energy.
His responses were 'clinical'. 'Textbook'. He refused and or could not meet me on an emotional page. He would respond with 'psychological babble'. Never a hug, never a sincere effort to comfort me. To me this is disturbing.
So relatable! It’s like his responses would make sense, (sometimes) but I could just tell something was off and there wasn’t any real substance behind it. Like he heard it before or knew it was what I wanted to hear…once I started catching on to him, he would break up with me in the most cruel way…then a couple months later come back with this apology that seemed so sincere…I realized his words were just empty words with no action behind it. So crazy I dealt with this for so many years. Never knew it was a disorder. 🤦♀️
Mine too. I never felt comforted, even when I was emotional and crying.
It's too bad because we could have made it as a couple. Because I never felt heard and nothing was ever worked out I went into a deep depression and started self medicating. I stopped wanting to go anywhere with him and be around him and so the relationship fell apart . Now I'm completely turned off from being with a man because I'm afraid this will happen again.
Give yourself at least a year to heal and feel stronger on your own ❤️🩹 I beleive in you.
Narcs have asked me the most personal of questions throughout my life - it took me a long time to figure it out - they need to have something on you and it will come flying back in your face sometime down the road.
As an example regarding what you said about an narcissist contacting an ex-girlfriend and the current girlfriend doesn't like it instead of her saying it makes me uncomfortable and then he the narcissist will retaliate with a myriad of excuses or gaslighting. This is what I think the current girlfriend should do. She has to be prepared to let this relationship go in the first place and she should say the following,' If you continue to contact your ex this relationship (meaning the relationship the current girlfriend has with a narcissist) IS OVER." You only have to say it one time, but you have to be sure the narcissist actually hears you and computes it in their narcissistic brain. Then if it happens and you know it, will you simply leave them ghost them? Go gray rock. Block them on your phone. They have to know you mean business. To say that they will just get somebody else or go back to the ex-girlfriend then EXCEPT THAT, because they were never really in a relationship with the current girlfriend to begin with. You are doing yourself a favor. You are lansing something cancerous from your soul. if you say this but don't follow through then you have in effect created a worst case scenario than the original problem. DO NOT allow a double standard in any relationship, whether it's with a narcissist or what is considered a Normal Person. Most narcissists are what is known as a "Playa," They like to have several relationships going on at the same time. Some of it is for sexual gratification to boost their ego, but at the core basis is always the source of supply. You may have your favorite beverage, but if you drink it all you won't have any more of that beverage. However, the narcissist has something else in the back of the refrigerator that will do until you find something to replace your favorite beverage. That's how narcissists operate. They never go without & the sooner the current partner realizes that and cuts ties with a narcissist, the better off they will be. They will be able to move on to a healthy relationship in time with someone else. Can you experience for them? Narcissist will be the shock of being cut off. They will won't even be able to contact the current girlfriend or boyfriend in their life to complain because you will have cut them off. I don't believe that narcissists think that their current significant other will ever follow through with what they say. You have to be very stern with them and let them know the first time will be the last time. You don't have to speak about it again and when you discover that they have done the exact thing you warned them about, YOU MUST FOLLOW THROUGH WITH CUTTING THEM OFF PERMANENTLY AND DON'T GO BACK.
ITS LIKE TALKING TO THE FATHER OF LIES, YOU ONLY GET LIES, IF YOU TRY TO COMMUNICATE, I'M CONVINCED THEY'VE SOLD OUT!
I grew up in a family and married into a family who refused to discuss anything to come to a solution. Reconciliation is only possible when we give up and do what the narcissist wants. Sadly this family system influenced our children and they too cannot be reasoned with about anything. They all just fight when confronted with their rude behavior. It only takes one time of attempting to discuss a matter and we become a target and will gossip using half-truths and lies to influence others against us.
My mother in law is like this. My dad was too, so I put up with her 18 yrs. When I finally started speaking up and having a boundary or difference, she simply began giving me the silent treatment and refuses now to even look at me. Wish I had understood this stuff better 20 yrs ago.
@@dawntreader815 it takes years of experience to understand things very well. We could not have known what was happening just by someone telling us, we had to experience it to believe it.
@@gwendolynwehage6336 I agree. Thank you
They definitely talk at you , especially when on the 📱 phone when you say can I just respond to what you’re saying they use ANY excuse .... I have to go to the toilet, my train has just pulled up , my phone battery is on low etc etc .
THIS explained my previous relationship
This has brought so much validation
One-way conversation, not dialogue ❤
I am shadow banned so you won't see this, but just wanted to say you are 100% on point and your clarity about these narcs is a bright light. The PhD analysis is great, but you have a PhD is experience. All of us who have battled these demons and survived know you are the real deal. I say survive because it is like being a military veteran because you are never really the same. There is no going back to seeing the world the same way you did before. After battling these demons on many fronts, I no longer see the world along race or class terms, this is a battle between humanity and demons, period. I no longer compromise with these things, once I check the boxes on these narcs, this last round it took be 3 months, I'm out, there is no negotiating with these demons. No compromise. Just take your time back and leave. We need to vote back dueling into law because it is unbelievable these things walk amongst us.
Narcissists don't respect you. They don't respect your boundaries, your feelings, your opinions, or your belongings.
This Woman Really Tells it How it is. Love The Part about Gaslighting and How Partners will Try to Gaslight You just to Break your Boundaries Calling You "Controlling" "Insecure" and Even "Abusive" 😂
The Projection is Incredible Sometimes
I have totally experienced this. It didnt take me long to figure out the more I voiced my wants , needs, whatever.even something as simple as dont give my dog the treats with wheat because he us sensitive, the more he woulddo it. Like he had memory loss or was dumber than a rock.
It’s all mental and if we didn’t have you we would go crazy mental !
Thank you ❤your videos are priceless xxxxx
Oh my goodness... You are explaining my life with a narc. 😢
Your basically Spot ON!! They pretend to be confused like you said. They pretend your not there… and no accountability when you confront the hurt/pain they cause. This is my experience with a vulnerable religious narcissist.
They "find religion" when they start to lose control. This is my mother, husband and co-worker.
When you say they’re wrong they’ll make u explain and explain and explain and find ways to confuse you and make you second guess your own explanations
Yes, they’ll even say “I didn’t say that- word for word” and call you a liar 😢 At that point you’re so anxious that you can’t remember what they said “word for word” but that doesn’t even matter & the convo goes in circles.
I've passed this video by several times because I am three years out from ending a 35 year marriage and I thought the information would be too late to make any difference for me. The example you cite (telling them you are uncomfortable with texting an old girlfriend) was so similar to the final straw of our relationship. I told him politely, I was uncomfortable with him meeting other women who I did not know for potentially sailing with him on our boat (I was amazed I had to tell him this!!). He shot back that I was creating drama and there was nothing wrong with what he was doing. Shortly after this, I found a picture posted of another woman on our boat. I realized then what you describe so well in your video (as always) that he just didn't care and nothing I said or asked meant anything to him. He would do as he pleased regardless of how much it hurt me. Its been a rough journey but I'm moving forward. Thanks for another great video that explains the experience so clearly.
I hope you’re doing ok. ❤️
I divorced my wife after 6 months because she could not stop talking to her abusive ex BF. She gave me the same lines about controlling, insecure, immature etc etc. Fine. I left. Nobody is controlling her now.
Same here, amongst a million other reasons
Wow, I finally now realize that I've dodged a bullet leaving the narcissist!
Run people run!
This is so good. I have had relationships with more than one narcissist but one in particular.
Have to keep a healthy emotional distance from a narcissist..
You are unbelievable. Wow!!!! Were they born that way or did something trigger them from their youth? His favorite words, especially when I was hurting and wanting an apology.... "let's move on." Can I tell you how that made me feel? He's written me several two-or three-word emails saying nothing really, conspicuously not addressing what broke us up. Instead he sends me back emails I'd sent to him years ago telling him how much I loved him. In one of those 'forwards', he actually asked "where did all that love go?" A proper narcissist, I tell you. I definitely dodged a bullet there. Oh, he says he owns me, every part of me and that he will never let me go. I still can't believe I got involved with him but the love-bombing in the beginning fooled me. What can I say?
I,ll keep it simple this time. No you cant. It's a constant conflict for their pleasure. These blogs are a vivid reminder of what I'm missing...so glad about that, lol. Ps.. I have cats too. The narc hated animals. I think that was to degrade my life choice. No surprise there. One of those huge boundary busters. 😼
Neither of my narc parents liked animals. We had to have goldfish for pets until we got out.
The ex narc I was w also did not like animals. Although in certain public situations he would pretend to like dogs and pat the dog on the head bc the narc knows it makes him look good to like animals.
@@KleeKaiBreeders yep. Then behind closed doors Hector the Hannibal reappears. Good freaking riddens to them.
Im so depressed! I can never express my feelings w/out him getting angry. He goes into a rage..He threatened to throw me down the stairs, hit me, threw me to the ground, smashed my phone, hit the wall. Hes a compulsive liar, verbally abusive and has been physically abusive. When I'm vulnerable he'll use my vulnerabilities against me. I'm addicted to him n I think trauma bonding.
It is a trauma bond. Get out. You can do much better.
The narc always has a deer in the headlights look, proving that they don’t want to reveal what they are doing.
You have the best presentation on the narcissist that I have ever heard. Very down to earth! And well spoken!
For the clearest truth about why communication does not work,
I am so grateful! And you are right about this: A narcissist will cause the chaos, and then, come in and "save the day!"
"Love is listening."
cc. 👀🐡🌿
Great points! This makes the most sense from my personal experience. They(narcissists) fear invalidation.
Holy crap…this is exactly what I’ve been trying to convey to my friend. As I put it: They’ve already made their mind up without even giving any clear communication. They make YOUR mind up FOR YOU.
That’s pretty much what my friend has had happen in his marriage. She persuaded him to go to couples therapy and made out as if it could help prevent imminent divorce. But he’s found out she made her AND his mind up FOR him way before even starting it and giving things a chance. It’s like she always does these covert things to control things, but is the first to accuse him of controlling, even when his supportive comments are nowhere near controlling.
Mine even talk me outa buying a box cake , lol that way to controll what I pick . Takes time to see
They always answer my questions with an answer that are irrelevant to what I asked!! Off the wall from outer space. I’m always confused just being near a narc, or, unfortunately, just thinking about them. It’s horrible.
They are never wrong. They live in an alternate reality where they are angels and you the devil. They are incapable of love or maturity.
I’ve always referred to my husband as my roommate whom Is a robot. I never understood him never wanting to talk about the situation / argument that just happened. Never has an now I see ..never will. It’s a loosing battle. I also noticed he says what he wants to say but he doesn’t listen even to the point he will talk over me. never has said I’m sorry what was you saying. But he has in his head what I said or was saying which is not at all what actually came out of my mouth. When he knows I’m mad he will get way more mad he will get loud so I will shut up. Also it feels like he tries his best to pull the worse out of me , he wants anger out of me an have me act up. once got a camera an was going to record me. but when I turned it around on him an showed him what he looks like he threw another fit an acted like what he just watched himself do. Makes no sense to me!!!! Oh yeah almost forgot we’ve been married 21 years.
Ok, i am confused, so what you basically are telling here is that because I don't talk to my husband about what he considers are problems and don't express stress the way he wants me to, then I am a narcissist? Maybe I am, but then I can say so is everyone else. I mean isn't everyone different? I am not allowed to react how I feel? I am normal only if I fight constantly? To what in my opinion doesn't matter since even if I have a 3 day discussion on a subject, no matter what I say the final answer is the one he chose at the very beginning. So if this makes me a narcissist, then by all means, I am a narcissist.
Haaaaaaaa!!!
You hit it right on the head!
Good job!! Stay away from these people, people!
It’s _amazing_ how you’re able to encapsulate these (utterly futile) interactions with narcissists.
They already have a story about you in their mind. Like a kid playing with Playmobil. Everyone has his role and toys don't have opinions
Great info. You've answered the question that I didn't know I needed. Now I know that I can't go forward with the in and out type of person. I believe you've save me from a lot more hurt and toxicity in the future. Thanks for sharing.
Nearly 20 years of stonewalling and abuse has been a challenge to heal from and find a way to communicate with others again. The ex, on the other hand, puts on the mask and is just fine.
Having a conversation with a narcissist is worthless ~ they gaslight ~ then act like everything is ok ~ and don't know why you are so upset over nothing ~ then can we have sex ~ no way no way I can't do this anymore I am so done
Pretend you like sex , they take it away fast ...
Cnt admit 2 being wrong.
This is hindsight 20/20… I wish I was strong enough to have left when I saw all the signs from her.
I’m sure you were strong. But our strength can’t help us when we’re so confused.
Mine slept at his ex's place because she needed help with her kid. When we had a fight he celebrated christmas with another ex.
Hell this is the best explanation that I have ever heard!!!
You are so articulate and erudite! I really appreciate your communication skills!
Life is a constant game to them 🤯 accepting this is a game changer
Excellent video thank you not until I went no contact and text only with my ex-husband was I finally able to speak and be heard if he deflected or ignored me I just hit send again if he gas let me I just referred to the text to prove that I wasn't crazy it was so amazing to finally hear my own voice for the first time and to trust my own mind again
Texting the Narc to set the record straight and to get my point across worked until I went full no contact.
Yes. It helps that everything is right there in text and not a conversation you have to remember in your head. When I question myself if I made the right choice I just look at the text thread and confirm with myself that I don't want to talk to him.
My ex would project her boredom onto me. She couldn’t admit she was bored with me, so she just accused me of being bored with her. And how did she remedy that situation? By picking fights. She seemed to think we had a fighting deficit. She was addicted to that sense of relief that you get after a fight, felt it was the highest form of bonding. Well it was successful at stopping my boredom!, But it had the unfortunate side effect of turning our relationship into a war zone, causing me to run away from her like my life depended on it, because it did!
Yes!! I’m done with talking to my narc I’m so over it. You were spot on when you said they’re bored without the drama I’ve always noticed this about him he constantly needs drama I said I’m too boring for him he loves drama fighting we can be getting along great and it’s like he’ll find something to argue about anything and I hate it.
Yeah, from a outa the blue text from work ! Drama from text .
Mine literally texted me and said he was bored. I said to myself, watch, he is going to start a fight. Within 15 min we were in a huge fight. I literally called it but got sucked in anyway.
The Poker analogy accurately describes the Narcissist's strategy. My Ex was addicted to an internet game called "Othello" which is a game of strategy. I suspected the game was helping him perfect the manipulation and mind games he was playing on me. The internet game is based on Shakespeare's play, Othello, who was manipulated into murdering his wife, Desdemona, by a malevolent villain, Iago, who deceived him that she had committed adultery. When Othello learned his wife was innocent, he committed suicide. My Ex was also determined to destroy my family relationships and he nearly succeeded. I appreciated your most appropriate analogy for the Narcissists' modus operandi.
If yove been threw it healed from it are aware an awake did your time ❤😊you are a proffessional yes you are!
Like speaking to a Alien of sort🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔…and your so right.,it’s confusing.,moves to frustration.,and then I’m done.,.no contact🤨
The person who is not interested in communication with a close family member or spouse about boundaries, feelings, et cetera, won't give you consistent basic decent behavior, has a severe case of narcissistic personality disorder, so much so that it is interfering with healthy relationships, and we have to face it... they are mentally ill. I have had to face it about a close family member.
You are 100% correct!
When you try to teach them things it’s true they do react that way but they will also take what you said and apply it if it’s something they’re interested in they just won’t give you credit for it. They will just act like they knew already Or leaned on their own
Spot on❤
This vitally important video followed on from other ones I'd watched while cooking and eating a meal etc and it's a timely reminder to NOT convey to my highly narcissistic sister that I was triggered by seeing upsetting photos she sent before my birthday last month and at Christmas!
I'm not sure if she did it on purpose, or was just oblivious to the effect they'd have on me due to her lack of empathy and compassion, which was caused by various issues.
I was going to mention how upset I was at the time, but ended up writing a short message (she lives in another country and don't talk on the phone) and thanked her for sending them, which didn't seem right.
Do you and/or any followers think that it's best to leave it at that now?!
I want to add that she has the usual narcissistic behaviours, so often uses DARVO when I mention issues. She used to regularly criticise me and has physically assaulted me as well, hence why I asked her to leave when she was staying at my place again. 🙁
It doesn’t sound like there is much to gain from the relationship. Your sister takes your agency & her negativity is taking up space in your mind and heart where other things could be… look into “no contact” videos, some are about family & are immensely helpful.
Thanks. Just what I need to hear right now!!
I'm so glad I just watched this video!
I'm arguing with my boyfriend right now about him talking to his ex wife.
For 6 years. It's not as bad as it was in the beginning. But he doesn't care what I say.
They don't care 😢
Thank you! I received a voicemail from my mom( I’m no contact but i don’t block her calls)I NEVER pick up.her voicemail is Always a reminder that I’m doing the right thing. Apparently my brother ( who I have no contact with because he’s a Narc.) had a surgery. Obviously a perfect reason for her to try to prey on me. Then I opened a bday card from her thinking I could handle it. I can but the day of receiving it I was angry. It had a note saying she needs to know what happened in the past. My Mom is telling people I don’t speak to her because she thinks my Uncle molested me . WTF told others he did to her too. With the exception of his creepy predatory behavior I managed to run from his attempt to kiss me when I was about 8. The least of my problems ( & He did that to all my cousins) Absolutely gross that she’s telling people not to mention if he did that to her she didn’t attempt to protect myself & my siblings. Yes, So she has it in her head that’s why I don’t speak to her eventhough I told her 100 times why. I will not be disregarded, disrespected, diminished etc….. So, Thanks again . I will not be trying to explain again. She can take her story to her grave & Answer when she arrives @ the Pearly gates. Soooo sick
This is so true and yet I keep spinning my wheels trying to get my narcissistic sister to get it.
I have been blessed with one son that is such a good kid..so sweet and kind..a beautiful soul that everyone seems to want to crush…my Odesa son has turned out to be the worst type of narcissist and I’ve been in denial until I saw what he says about me and his little brother behind our backs..my oldest son has stolen so much from us and now has ghosted us….honestly, after learning what he’s been doing and saying about me and the consequences that have come from his slander..he doesn’t care one bit if I’m dead or alive …thank God my youngest son is nothing like his father and brother and that they’re now completely out of our lives…im not letting him back into our lives for our own protection…my youngest son doesn’t deserve the bs they’re wanting to place on him…my youngest son has such a bright future without his brothers and his fathers abuse and I plan on making sure he has the opportunities to grow into the successful brilliant man I know he will be…I love my sons so much but if I let him continue scapegoating us…then I’m just enabling our own destruction..so I love him enough to let him go…he’s on his own and can just rely on his father 100% now…
Thankyou 💯 percent
Spot on 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
This is a great video! That’s exactly how they are!
I'm so glad your video appeared on my feed, thank you very much for the information shared. I've worked with survivors of domestic violences and feel validated by what you explained. I understand narcissistic abuse but began to doubt what I know about abusers when my job had introduced "restorative justice" practice and I was being told, I'm being "closed minded" for not embracing this for D.V. survivors but after hearing your information, I know I'm wasn't wrong.
It would be great to hear your opinion on the practice of "restorative Justice" in cases of domestic violences/narcissistic abuse 🙏
One thing about intentions…when you enter into the relationship with a narcissist they will say that they want the same thing you do. They will assume that you also have a hidden agenda. Their idea of an “equal” relationship is for you to become an unpaid worker in every way the narc wishes for you to please them.
Talking w a narc makes it worse and that’s why we stop talking to them.
This was very important for me to listen. Already out of a relationship. Did last 4 years, and 4 years too long. I am very happy to be free. Thank you❤
It's a stalemate because the narcissist does not care about hurting your feelings and your awakening is proof that you don't care about his feelings. This is why most relationships involving a narcissist most all expire before the death of one of the relationship participants. A narcissist is a "frienenemy".
"We are just friends. You can't tell me what to do." but if you did it there'd be hell to pay.
many narcs just do not understand. and its not the lack of intelligence but this completely alien to normal life mind of theirs. they just see the whole world and life so much different way than the rest of us, that talking to them is just waste of time.
i remember this one narc who just understood nothing i tried to say. he only could talk about stuff he could see at that point of time. only tangible simple stuff. music, art, philosophy, global news, politics, science...all my favourite subjects were just completely impossible things to talk about with him. so we just never talked nothing.
Thank You so much!!! Finally you say it just the way I love it!!!!
Love your fur baby!!!❤😂
My psychiatrist advised me to stop allowing my ex to pull me into worthless arguments.
I wasted so much time trying to be understood, only to be manipulated later.
This video really helped me and I had so many lightbulb moments.
He behaved almost to a T, they way you described in most of
Your examples.
I think having some validation that I wasn’t crazy is going to help me along in my recovery process
A relative om mine has got himself a girlfriend who once (as far as i know) didnt talk to him for a whole week. They live together. Is it likely that this has happened just once? I tend to believe not. Why would he accept such behaviour? I would have kicked her ass out the door after a few days!
I had a sibling who was lame enough to accept the sleeping in different bedrooms arrangement a decade into their marriage. I know people with way more sexual value than me or him had go through this on occasion, and thankfully they got out of that situation because it's hopeless!
Silent treatment wars should not be accepted by anyone. That's nothing but a SILENT TEMPER TANTRUM that no one should accept!
This is truth, and it helps. This is helping more than all the others. The others( other people who talk about this subject) are full of revenge, disrespect, but this has the right explainations and focus.
I have recently discovered that my daughter in law has strong narcissistic behavior and view points - in fact she is classic! Wish I had figured it out much earlier in my life, but better late than never. In effort to help my son-in-law to understand what is going on with her, I have watched over 500 videos and read many essays on the topic of personality disorders. I appreciate you approach and insight. Thank you!
My husband used to CONSTANTLY ask a really stupid question when I made a statement of my own, you know, just shared something and instead of engaging with what I said in a normal, continuing type of way to encourage me to keep talking about what I was saying, he'd ask this question that would stop me in my tracks, cause total cognitive dissonance and confusion. He had to control the narrative all the time. It drove me crazy. Towards the end, when he did it, i just ignored him, didn't answer. I also told him to stop it eventually but I didn't know then he was filing that away to be used later on for his pleasure. I do remember that day though I told him to stop it, i was having once again one of those ridiculous attempts at communicating a hurtful thing he did repeatedly and I knew that it was pointless. We got talking about me leaving him and he said i know you'll never leave me, oh yeah I said, why's that, because you came back he said. I remember sitting there and saying, I regularly think about leaving you and he got the shock of his life 😂 he knew i was telling the truth. I paid for that of course but I'm gone now, no contact and a protection order ❤ your videos are amazing ❤ thank you, helping me heal xxx
My egg donor takes in ZERO stories of mine. Recently I was talking about when my dog rescue partner passed away in 2012 - she has ZERO clue… zero.