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How to Learn Perspective - Draftsmen S1E26
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2019
- How do you study perspective? Marshall breaks down the elements of perspective and how you’d go about learning it. Stan also challenges Marshall to draw some boxes and run them through his new Box AI BETA App that’s being developed in the Proko lab.
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What do you wish AI could do for you?
Proko make me a millionaire
Sing like Marshall
Help me with hatch lines
Read book for me , and decrease my mental effort to understand new concept.
I want it to learn cuber-implant-making technology, so it could make a special implant for my brain and spinal cord, so I could learn stuff very fast aaaaaaaand smth else
This episode really put things into perspective.
It's nice to have another point of view once in a while.
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this comment makes me physically angry
i hate you, have a like
I clicked on this video hoping to get some advice on perspective
,but I left wishing Marshall sang more
marshall is such a sweetheart
Yees
Very nice guy. So far anyway... 😉
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I LOVE how Marshall says how the biggest problem with perspective teachers is that they never teach you WHY one-point and two-point perspective is there. It's always just: if you're on a railroad or a street, it's one point, but literally everything else is two-point perspective except when it's not. Thank you!
About to turn 24 and with that comes that mind-frame that I have to have things figured out. Hearing things like Marshall learning perspective at 28 or that in his 40s Karl Kopinski still has insecurities and goals as an artist is so relieving and encouraging. So valuable that your channel has an array of accomplished artists being honest about their process and growth.
I am roughly in the same mindset as you, now being 23. I love music and visual stuff and just started to draw everyday for 2 hours and learn shit, set daily goals and hopefully get into game design. Seeing your comment comforts people like me and really brings things into perspective
@@seeNoEvilhearNoEvil_ Hi. Im 24 and studying every day, most of the time, but its very difficult you know, my goal is to become a game designer too. How are you going after 1 year of this comment? Are you doing art yet?
Why does hearing someone in agony relieve you and encourage you? That's narcissistic af man
Edit, it's like the same vibe as someone saying "I'm glad she has plastic surgery that's making me feel prettier" or "I'm glad he went to prison, that encouraged me to want to do better in life". Why can't you feel encouraged on your own regardless of how much better everyone is?
@@JustAGuySlayingDragons I'm now 27, just to show you how hold this comment was.... but to answer it's because it makes me feel less alone because I felt the same way about my art. It's called "commiseration" and made me feel like I wasn't falling behind. Learn to take people in good faith. I think you wanted to read into my comment some intent that was not there.
@@JustAGuySlayingDragonsthese are people who have OVERCAME the struggle that a lot of artists have gone through. Why is it narcissistic to feel a similarity when someone is going through the same struggle as you? And eventually overcame that same struggle.
I read the book “How to Use Creative Perspective” five months ago from the first word to the last with 120% full attention thanks to Marshall. I don’t know how to put my feelings in words. I was, and still am, so inspired, amazed, mesmerized, and couldn’t wait to start applying the knowledge I got from it. Now I’m revisiting some chapters.
I heard a lot of ppl mentioned that the book is dry, disappoint etc, what do you think of those? And how long do you finish learning the book?
@@GanFloorscope That sounds like people who are used to learning things from one-minute TikTok videos or ten-minute RUclips videos. Every book is dry, boring, and disappointing to them.
damn can't wait for marshall's course
Other Ellie, vocal course, you mean?
I wouldnt get your hopes up about it being released.
@@dogardoogin6201 Why do you say that?
@@hanzflackshnack1158 *because it will take a goOd while to release*
Still waiting…..
I want an mp3 of "Waitin' for Stan" by Marshall Vandruff
For Christmas episode, Marshall sings Silent Night! Who agrees?
Me too haha.
@@DiabolicalAngel It has the garbage truck sound in the background. Ha.
12:12 No Marshall, you have to live forever. We need to get into the age of cloning and only make clones of Marshall.
You hear someone nearby say "Scott Robertson kinda sucks though," and suddenly you see a thousand angry Marshall clones rise above the horizon in formation.
Then we can all have personal Marshall clones to teach / read to us
I love Proko and I think he is one of the best out their to teach Anatomy and stuff BUT I wish I had a chance to meet Marshall and even attend his classes so much! He is just so positive and smiling all the time, it makes me wanna learn!
I JUST WANTED TO START LEARNING PERSPECTIVE! You have the best timing ever ;p
Same!!
Good luck then
Same, I was just thinking about how i wanted to draw more 3d and this video suddenly appeared
What a great metaphor of musicians using a “metronome” until they don’t use it and “forget” it. Thank you Marshall for explaining things in an easily comprehensible way.
I can hardly wait to take the perspective course designed by Marshall and Stan. Wow! It sounds impressive and hard-working course.
I love it when a teacher/mentor like Marshall gets interested in what he's teaching or talking about because it also gets me interested even if the subject is difficult.
EDIT: WHEN CAN WE EXPECT MARHSALL'S COURSE TO COME OUT?
another 6 years..
Another 100 years 😅
and Five hundred twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes
4:26 "You didn't learn perspective until you were 28?"
Me, nearly 24 years old: *breathes out in relaxation*
big _phew_ 😚
I wish A.I could tell me he's proud of me as a son
Im proud of you son . . . I'm so damn proud.
Bruh that's deep shit
Try this ruclips.net/video/M1B3gATS0GE/видео.html
I have been teaching the Visual Arts and Music for 44 years, and I am currently teaching an Introduction to Architecture and a Voice & Choral Music and I truly appreciate your practical and respectful approach to History. I have been blessed to have taught 24 years in our district's Gifted and Talented Program and prefer a left-brained analysis of many techniques, critical thinking and productive / creative thinking. It saddens me to hear how many teachers avoid teaching Spatial and Linear Perspective because it is difficult. I believe our goals as teachers come in showing our students what things they need to practice to develop skill thoroughly and quickly. I still get very excited seeing students enjoy success. I appreciate you videos!
I love how Marshall is discussing a very serious concept of 1 point perspective at 14:55 and proko just responds "yea". And it's definitely a concept he understands so that's a great response.
Gotta say, I love the vibe, knowledge and humour that you guys bring to your show. I’m a freelance artist and beginning art teacher, and your episodes are currently my favourite thing to listen to while I work away in my little studio. thanks for sharing your knowledge, I’m looking forward to taking some of your courses when I find a chunk of time.
Marshall's explanation of cubes to understand perspective lit up a light in my head. That was a brilliantly simple explanation, and I am very thankful.
Please make this Proko perspective course happen soon…I could really use it 🙏 I’m currently going through Marshall Vandruff’s old lectures and I have to say he’s a wonderful teacher! It’s a real pleasure listening to him. I’ll be more than glad to pay for his new perspective course
It's far along in being edited now. We're saving talking about it until it's all done now but I'll let you know it's getting close now!
@@ProkoTV thanks for letting us know. Can't wait!!
You both are amazing! Proko your videos helped me understand things about drawing that before where very difficult and your episodes with Marshall made me want to be able to draw like a master. Marshall you're a very wise person from another dimension, I like listening to you, even singing in the intros. Thank you both for sharing your knowledge with us. Much respect!!
I learned perspective from your 94 course, One thing that really stuck was the lesson on ellipses, it breaks barriers when learning to draw anatomy and figure drawing.
really, how?
I guess I should say Perspective knowledge in general helped, foreshortening comes to mind.
I still always draw foreshortening intuitively and I still don't really see how length can be calculated other than relying on a reference
I'm 28 and just now getting started on seriously learning perspective 😂 It's hard, man. I wish I would've started learning much earlier, but I'm glad I started later, rather than never! lol
David Chelsea's Perspective for the Comic Book Artist is SO GOOD. Could not recommend it more. He explains things in such a fun and engaging way. Great book for beginners.
This has been the most helpful podcast to a beginner artist. Even your rough run down of the types of perspective has been more helpful than any video I've watched.
Marshall is the GREATEST teacher I’ve encountered. And I am a harsh critic.
Just bought his perceptive lectures from his website. I’ve purchased many courses and the instructors range from very good to okay.
I thought I found the best (that instructor is now my second favourite) and then Marshall comes along. He has been teaching for a long and has acquired great skills along the way, but he was a very good lecturer even in his younger years, so he has natural talent for it.
I’m following him wherever I find him on the net. His charisma and humour also contributes to his magnificent teaching skills and he is absolutely pleasure to watch and learn from. Grateful to Stan for introducing him to me.
PS if you did a Master class course at Masterclass.com or Udemy OR finally did the Perspective Course here on Proko’s channel (please do) I’d pay for it. Hope to see more of you AND thank you for replying to my email immediately. God bless
Hi guys, a professional 3D artist here. Very nice podcast, good vibes between you both. Keep it up guys you rock!!. I am trying to convince my colleagues at the office to listen to your podcast meanwhile we work :D. Greetings from Poland
Marshall is not just an artist, he is a master pedagogue.
Season 2 will begin on April 7 and on it’s own RUclips channel… Be sure to subscribe!
ruclips.net/channel/UCfvIqreCk628yB9mp3e_ABQ
I'm waiting for a "Marshall's Greatest Hits" compilation. OR... Marshall does voiceover for my GPS. I'm not picky.
There’s a website called DrawABox. They have free lessons with written material and RUclips videos that go with those lesson. The creator of these lessons teaches the fundamentals of drawing. There’s also a subreddit r/fundamentals where you can post your homework and get critiques. 😊
Thank you!
Yes If you’re a complete beginner make sure to master all his lessons. AND ITS COMPLETELY FREE. This will make you good if you have the discipline and determination to do it!
I've been teaching perspective for a few years now and didn't realize until this video how much everyone hates it! I LOVE perspective! I think I love it because it's a technical skill with objectively correct/incorrect execution, and I can easily see where I need to improve. But I guess not everyone sees it that way, lol.
I loved Marshall's metronome metaphor as well as his line "You learn perspective so you can forget it." I also had never heard the term "carried horizon line," but I think I'll be adopting that terminology as well as the exercise where you compare the carried horizon line against your leading Y edge. That's an excellent way to check your work, and I want to give my students as many tools to check their work as they can. In fact, I'm anxiously awaiting Proko's box checking AI!
On that, I'm not sure Marshall's correct when he says that the leading edge will always be at 90˚ to the carried horizon line. In three point perspective, unless the leading edge is in line with our line of sight, the convergence is going to skew it one way or the other.
I get so excited when i see your podcast notification ☺️..
Subject just in time🙏🏽🙏🏽
Love your voice Marshal 😄
I watch a number of podcasts daily, but you guys have produced, by far, my favorite. You guys are great together!! Thanks for an awesome show!!
Marshall I belive in you ! You're going to kill it with you're perspective course and I'll be waiting full support !!!!
Modern Day James does a pretty great job explaining perspective. Even for someone that has struggled with it for years (such as myself).
I occasionally come rewatch this episode just to get hyped about the perspective course
I literally thought about how I wish I could just learn perspective today and I open up RUclips and this came up no joke THIS IS SAVING MY LIFE! THANK YOU!!
I cannot express enough how nice it is to see an almost hour long video that doesn't have 10 ads in it.
If you want an extended version of the song Marshall sings at the start, jump to 52:23
Hey man how to use prespective in real life
What a lovely soul. This gent was a pleasure to listen to for an hour.
About Marshall’s 1994 Perspective lectures : he is one of these teachers you rarely meet in life who have a gift for making difficult subjects appear easy to grasp. He walks his students step by step through increasingly complex topics, which build up upon each other, creating the basis for a deep, almost natural understanding.
More than that, he does it with joy, kindness and generosity.
Marshall and Stan share the same gift for teaching. They form a terrific pair. I can’t wait to buy their upcoming courses.
Marshall sings. Episode title contains the second most important thing about drawing, yet! Really good mood. Right in the feels.
The video I need! I'm always a little bit scared of drawing rooms in perspective..
Also I love it when Marshall sings :D
Greetings from Germany to everyone
Chiara Marker Marshall ist der beste :D Den müsste man als Opa haben!
@@FarQuZeDesigns Jaaaa :D
I've been meaning to post this for months: Marshall is awesome! :)
you two are honestly so funny. i love your intros :'))) Also thanks for teaching me more in a video than my teachers at uni could ever :')
I enjoy these so much, guys.
Thanks for singing, it was a treat for the ears
I check the latest comments on this video once every couple of months to find any new information on Marshall's perspective course. His 1994 perspective course has always been my favourite explanation of perspective. An updated course with Proko's production value, in my opinion, would easily become the definitive guide on perspective for modern artists. As someone who's been self-studying art for the past 3 years and fell into the rabbit-hole of perspective, I eagerly await any news on the course ^^.
Thanks for your continued interest! We're working hard on it full time now and are close to getting to share more details about it soon.
We don't want to announce it before it's fully ready to go this time!
@@ProkoTV That's great news! I wish you guys all the best.
We need more singing, Marshall you are the King of singing :)
I watched so many perspective videos, but the clearest approach to me was the one at Drawabox. Other lessons did not mention that different objects tend to have different vanishing points, which got me understand why it looks stiff when I follow the same vanishing points for every object in the scene.
I'll be waiting for Marshall's perspective course.
Just make it already!
I am so impressed with Mr. Vandruff's skill and knowledge. When, or if, Mr. Vandruff's perspective course comes out on Proko, I'm going to jump on that, if I can.
I’m glad you mentioned Mr. Robertson’s book because there came a point where I was drawing with the techniques laid out in the book and hankered for a more in depth look on the perspective techniques that were used. Like, “Okay I like this multiplication technique, but what’s the science behind it?”
I need the Proko perspective course like yesterday dude :(
I love Marshall singing so much, it's always a treat!
I dont really enjoy interviews but something about the guests you interview make me immersed!
200-300 hours at the higher end to master perspective does not seem like such a bad deal. Especially considering people spend that amount of time on a single video game sometimes. I myself spent almost 1000 hours in the Witcher 3 over the years. Many more hours in countless other games. I just started my art learning journey. I am almost 26 years old. But to me, interest in perspective an an intuitive understanding has always been there. So this episode made me quite optimistic about my learning potential. Where I really struggle though is something like shading. But maybe a better understanding of basic shapes and perspective will actually clear that up quite a bit too.
You can do it. Hope you’re keeping at it!
37:10 this is exactly what I did today, and I'm extremely happy that I finally know what Marshall meant. The idea of a "horizon line" was the most confusing of all to a student like me, I thought that I initially understood it and moved on, without realising that it can be anything but horizontal.
I really hope Marshal's perspective course is going to be complete soon. I'm looking to commit a lot of time to perspective sometime in the next few months and the lessons releasing soon would line up perfectly with that.
I hope the program is almost done! I'm trying hard to learn perspective :)
Great 'cast! Marshall, I'd love to see you include in your upcoming course the reverse-engineering of perspective that was used in selected published works of art. Please include images from comics, stills from movies and animated movies. I'd also like a section of commentary on various artist's approach to and adaptation of perspective to their work, such as Neal Adams. Also please address using perspective to tell a story. Finally it would be neat to have perspective examples and exercises where perspective is utilized on the same composition at 3 to 5 levels of complexity (e.g. freehand to fully-ruled). Thanks for mentioning the "Framed Perspective" books by Marcos Mateu-Mestre; his book "Framed Ink" is one of my favorites! Another book I like, though I don't love the artist's style, is "Vanishing Point: Perspective for Comics from the Ground Up" by Jason Cheeseman-Meyer. In particular, I liked his sections on curvilinear perspective and drawing people in perspective.
it's a great course, luckily, I had learn Joseph D'amelio's perspective book, and how to draw boxes, machine parts, and so on. Enjoy this class so much. Thanks for sharing here.I am going to watch all your videos. This is my luck day I found this program.
Marshall sounds like my mum.
His Voice.
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That chalkboard video is no joke, it’s awesome!!!
Hi Guys, do you have any news on Marshall's new perspective course? Also any news on the Proko Basics course? I'm a premium member on Proko's site and can't wait for new content!
This is a very productive episode.. i like when you get into detail about art techniques, styles, ect. 👍👍👍👍
I‘ve done some Drawabox, drawing all these boxes and cylinders in perspective and it really improved my understanding of perspective. Then I started on the Scott Robertson How to Draw and that introduced me to some of the measuring and transposition tricks as well as grids. I got really lost with the elipses though, because he explains some of the stuff in that chapter only very superficially and it seems that he presupposes knowledge which he only explains in later chapters. I have a Robotics degree so this kind of thing really isn‘t that hard for me, I’m also pretty ok at constructing stuff in 1 point or 2 point perspective, but it’s the curves and elipses that get me. And there is just essential stuff missing from the How to Draw book to be useful for learning. Basically that book is great if you learned perspective elsewhere and need to refer to a specific technique quickly, but for learning from scratch I found it confusing as soon as he gets into more organic shapes. I have been trying to find a good resource to get the missing bits, but most of the resources seem to be too low level - 1 point or 2 point, maybe some grids, that‘s the easy stuff. I‘ll check out your lectures Marshall, they sound like they might be at just the right level for me!
Andrew Loomis "Successful drawing" has some good examples when it comes to constructing curves and organic drwing in perspective.
Oh damn, Marshal is love!
I want that Proko perspective course!
At 39:27 I just about cried. I've seen that mistake a bunch of times because of all the times I've made it. Something about seeing a perspective master do the same was just... Comforting, somehow? Like I'm not _actually_ a spectacular breed of idiot, drawing boxes is just something that requires a series of checks that anyone can miss.
Of course! No one is perfect, not even the masters lol. They’ve just been studying so long and frequent that they can control those mistakes more “often” then not.
God Love when Marshall sings
Where's the best place to pose a question for a future episode? Here?
Thanks for making this series - sometimes an off-hand comment or small bit of advice from you guys changes the way I approach a drawing task.
One thing about perspective that Marshall hinted at that I find interesting is that, if you picture a cube in space, there are the edges of the cube that are closer to the viewer and those that are further away. Those in the back are generally smaller (and of course never greater), but the closer the viewer is from the object, the more extreme the difference between those edges.
Also the closer the viewer is, the more you need to use curves to represent those edges.
3 years later, did Marshall launch his perspective course?
perfect! perspective is just the fundamental that i really need to improve for my art! this episode couldn´t come in a better moment
This episode is surely a building 'block' to learning perspective.
Perspective = for me play with your Camera [ close-up, and telelens effecten is your friend]
Pure for understanding ''Perspective'' you can take a closer look at things.........
And when you use a type '' viseye-lens'' it's even getting better.....learned a lot with this.
ThnXs for share of it Proko!
Holy shit, no one has ever explained WHY you use the different points. So helpful.
Love your perspective lectures Marshall!
Well that's just magnificent. Marshall explained in a few sentences some things about perspective it took me weeks (and several books) to find on my own.I eagerly await the Proko course and I'm off to buy Marshall's current offering.What would I like AI to do? An extended version of this would be great. If I think I've exaggerated linear perspective or color to achieve an effect/mood, it would be nice for AI to impose normative lines and colors so I can check my exaggeration.
this is what i have in the background while practicing as a beginner xD
I've been waiting so long to learn perspective, thank god I'm 28 now I can start
You guys are great - really, anybody who can make perspective entertaining is number 1 in my book. I want AI to guide my skill and creativity to marketability so that what pleases me also makes it possible to make a living. Find the people who like my style and encourage my style to a ready marketplace. My apologies to those who believe this is a sell out but not everybody has a patron or somebody else to pay the bills.
what do you guys think of Draw a Box? I've heard people complain about the site, but I found it very useful for someone who have drawn for a while but is seriously lacking fundamentals. When reading through the perspective lesson and doing the excercises, I felt something click for the first time in my life. I feel like I should recommend it to some of my friends, but maybe this way of teaching is not ideal? Idk, I just felt like it helped me a lot.
I am enjoying this lesson about perspective.
Here is some remark on your review on the app-test (great fun to watch).
On the 2nd box (the one that was far off) you asked why the box made by the app was so much shorter.
I think it has to do with the fact that lines made by the app suggest that the vanishing point is on a different place and you are looking more on top of the box. So… the box looks shorter.
learn it, to mess with it. nice one marshall
"I'm going to sing and Proko won't be a jerk.""WTH man?" lol nice intro.
Where is the course?
Very lucky to have learned perspective at very rudimentary level while in school aged 13. It has to be internalised and becomes an organic intuition which extends into the physical. What is fascinating is that many people have no concept or experience of perspective. I will never forget the look of terror on a young girl in South Africa who had never used stairs before...
did the perspective course come out yet?
Like math a student of perspective needs to have a good instructor. I was lucky to have the best teacher at Art Center, Ted Youngkin. It was a hard class and the teacher expected alot, but I learned perspective. Thank you Mr. Youngkin.
legend says hes still making that course
3rd time listening to this podcast series!
His story resonates with me. I am 31 years old and have drawn my whole life but don’t know perspective. And I also failed all my math classes in school 😂
I came here to learn perspective and it was wonderful to learn it, then I ended up learning a bit of AI this channel I for sure the best!!
Hey Proko team! Umm, Where’s the course? It’s 2023!! 😧
Marshall was in studio last week shooting video for it! He's committed to it being out soon. But I'll wait until you can actually buy it to say more.
@@ProkoTV first of all, thank you so much for the quick response! Thank you everyone in Proko team and every way they’re involved. The dedication and time you’ve all put in products and other content is greatly appreciated.
Why did I leave this comment? Because if it wasn’t for Marshal’s perspective course I wouldn’t be where I’m at in understanding perspective in drawings. Anxiously knowing that the Proko team is gonna be involved in a modern better version of it! Is just so exciting and can’t wait for it! He “Marshall” responded to my email years ago. Critiqued my art. Freaking awesome Marshal is one of the greatest Art teachers to date. A master in perspective. Much love from NY!! 🌹
the way marshall describes what an AI art teacher could be really sounds like my dream. i never know what exactly i do right and wrong, an AI to tell me exactly what i need to work on would be amazing
Our brains are amazing. What most people don't realize is that everything in a "bigger picture" is actually closer to 5 point perspective. But the focal point and the "framing" of the scene determine the amount of perspective points you need to make a convincing scene.
Same happens in photography. If you have a really wide lens, you're getting warping because of the effect of 5 point. A more normalized lens will capture at least 3 points (around 55mm). And a 200mm long range lens flattens things down so you don't need much more than 2 points to draw that barn in the distance (rough examples).
But in reality your eyes are "capturing" the warping effect in your vision all the time. But it's just like your peripheral vision being unable to capture color because of the direction of the light cones in your eyes. Your brain makes up for it by "winging" the colors even if you can't see them. The same thing happens to the warping effect that is always happening, your brain compensates so you're not seeing any warping. Where ever your eyes focus is the "frame", and you won't notice that things warp in your peripheral vision (it would likely be weird to process, so brain does it's thing).
If you "zoom" out an image so everything in the observable area is visible, you'll see the warping effect (if you could). If you put a frame just at the outside of the focal area of your vision you'll get a pretty normal image within that without distortion. And of you frame something only in the inner most focus point of your vision you'd get that 2 point effect. Of course our visions are not perfect spheres unlike cameras, but it's one of those things that helped me grasp perspective, and I learned about it through photography (though I am not a photographer the information was invaluable).
It's probably easier to demonstrate. Perhaps there is someone out there who knows what I'm talking about
Yesss thank you oh my gosh yeah Marshall ask my very big question.
"WHY WE USE WHEN WE USE THE ACTUAL POINT(s) IN PERSPECTIVE??? Yeah thank you Marshall.
Everyone says they exist (one point, two ponits, three points) but not WHY and WHEN to use them...
When someone would like to understand why we use techniques how we use them just blah blah blah. So hard to find the answear. Nobody tells you how to build this whole "Let's learn to draw" thing.
My understanding of vanishing points took a huge leap forward once I understood the cone of vision (Scott Robertson's book does a great job of explaining it). Sometimes points are inside our cone of vision, and sometimes they aren't. Trying to bring those points inside our cone of vision (using the points when we shouldn't) makes things look WILD. I know this comment is a year after yours, but I hope you've found your answers and are continuing to love learning to draw!