The flower image of the R6II looks quite a more clipped than the other two (see the yellow and orange leafs). Even though the exposure is the same. Is this because of the lower dynamic range? Otherwise FF4K/60 is a huge advantage of the R6II. The absolute best quality still goes to the S5II 6K, although it's limited up to 30p.
Very nice comparison. The difference is really quite small between the three. But canon's uncropped 4k50/60 is a great advantage for a lot of peiple when compared to its competitors.
thanks, it's interesting, can we say that the r6ii and a7iv are also representative of r8 and a7cii respectively? I mean, are these two cameras identical in this comparison with their respective bigger siblings ? another interesting aspect to compare would be audio, internal audio quality, pre-amp quality, availability and price of digital audio solutions etc....
I think RUclips compression has cooked the last ISO test as at least on my phone until the last ISO on the lumix there was practically no noise (watxhing at 1080p)
I really wish I could have made it all. I got about halfway through on and off over 18 months, but I just had to draw a line under it and get out this part while it was still relevant,
at 1080 25p lumix best at 1080 50p all equal at 1080 100p r6ii best at 1080 150p r6ii best by no competition (no sound) at 4k 25p lumix last, r6ii best at 4k 50p r6ii best (uncropped) at 5.9k 25p lumix best by no competition at 6k 25p lumix best (r6ii does 6k externally to 6k60p) all look similar in noise performance overall tally the results r6ii best, s5ii second, a7iv third.
If Lumix had introduced phase detect 5 or so years ago they could have been dominating Nikon and Canon especially in the days where those guys were stuck on DSLR's Lumix you really need to learn to stop hating money! The S5ii has had some ridiculous deals recently and it's tempted me even though I don't want or need 35mm
LOL! I was under a similar impression, that the whole line of Lumix cameras was just a tax write off for Panasonic's actually successful businesses... In all seriousness though, I couldn't resist a recent deal on an S5 IIX + 20-60mm kit zoom + 50mm f/1.8 for US $2,200 from the Panasonic Store on Amazon.
@marinrealestatephotography I know right?! They make awesome and reliable products so I don't get why they don't like to actually market their cameras that well.
Lumix + good AF would be a perfect competitor. Current deals might sound good but considering the used market for the lenses, Sony A7 IV is not that expensive.
Everything about Panasonic is good; price, ergos, lens selection, colors etc. DFD is fast and good for photos but really did struggle in video. Now I'm a happy owner of both Sony and Panasonic but I'm hoping one will win out because I keep on buying lenses for both systems. I really can't commit to one 100% at this point in the game
the r6ii allows you to go to ISO 204,800 , you just have to enable it in the menu. Red Camera menu Page 2, ISO speed settings, and increase the ISO speed range.
Why Why Why Why would you STOP a motion video, and compare only single frames??? When watching a movie, who the h.ll stop the movie frame and look??? Just compare real footage, and you'll see the real difference. Rolling shutter is one of the biggest differentiators in a movie.
To compare resolution and noise - the stated content of the video at the start - it's best to use static compositions. I didn't frame grab though, these are all actual video clips I'm showing as you can see from the moving moire or noise patterns. I agree rolling shutter is also important, but again as stated in the video, this isn't a complete test, only a short comparison of a project I was unable to complete.
@@cameralabs Out of curiosity, WHY do you use open gate often? (My reason for open gate, as I mentioned in another comment, is that clients are wanting a vertical edit for social media to go along with their horizontal 16:9 video). But interested in hearing your thoughts.
@@marinrealestatephotography exactly the same. It lets me reframe B-roll for different formats, plus it's 6k on the S5 II which also gives me a bit more detail than 4k.
All 3 of these can get the job done quality-wise for sure. I'd add there's also going to be differences when you're talking autofocus, lens choice, stabilization, and Log profiles as well. All depends kind of stuff you'll mainly be shooting
I was interested to see that the Canon R6 II has a 1080 150p or 180p option. This is a great feature for slow-motion footage. I also noticed that the Lumix S5 II has a 6K 25p open gate mode. This is a very impressive feature, and it should be great for video production. Overall, I think this is a great video that provides a lot of valuable information about these three cameras. you know i am a huge fan of canon camera..so i always go with canon 🤪i will definitely try lumix and sony too😃✌️
Splitting hairs between these in terms of picture quality - they are excellent. If you need great AF, go Sony. Need stabilization, LUMIX. Sadly, there’s no good reason to buy a Canon. 🤪🤣
And great stabilization and AF. Not too sure why you would post such a misleading statement? Most likely you haven't used all these cameras, as I have.
Thanks Gordon. Doubt I'll ever own any of these cameras but always interesting to see where the better manufactures are directing their resources. Thar being said, I have considered adding the Canon R8 as a lightweight travel cam so it's good to know that it should be capable of creating HQ video if needed .
How did you light your test charts ? The Lumix S5 II has a noticeable magenta tinge on the grey patches on the high resolution shots. I have an S5 II, It's frustrating. That magenta is always there along with some over sharpening and a tendency to moiré. That said sometimes the output at 5.7k is amazing .
I agree. I used the same softbox lighting for all of them, and took custom WB readings, but yes, there does seem to be a magenta shift on some of my Lumix footage. It's particularly noticeable on the chart as it's neutral and next to two others, so even very subtle differences stand out.
It was set to match the lighting. It can look odd though when you put grey / neutral clips from different cameras next to each other - they invariably show a colour cast. But that doesn't affect the results in terms of resolution or noise.
You got to get a wider lens for walks talky shots 😊 my opinion it’s going to be interesting to see when the next gen come out next year. Panasonic look great but not worth switching a whole system for imo
Believe it or not, it IS a wide lens, 18mm, but the problem is the high stabilization made a tight crop. I should have turned down the stabilization a bit...
Oh thank God you made this I'm literally trying to decide if I should jump from the s5iix or the r6mkii my R is hitting its limit in video specifically. I have only 3 RF lenses I have more EF and some adapted lenses as well
Get the S5ii. As an OG R6 user, the image from the S5ii is leaps and bounds over Canon's R6 and even R6ii, but more importantly the dynamic range is better, and the tools on the camera are better and stay on the screen when you hit the record button (unlike Canon).
All looked good; better than most folks would ever actually need in use I suspect. Based on this video alone I would lean perhaps to the R6ii, but in some cases the s5ii. If you had walked with the others I would be surprised if their IBIS was quite as good, but these really aren’t vlogging cameras…stick with your OP3! 😊. I noted S5ii selling at about $1800, R6ii around $2k and A7iv at $2500 on B&H right now.
Sure, and what about rolling shutter, autofocus, stabilization and everything else? There's literally hundreds of things any of us can test on a camera, but when comparing multiple products simultaneously, it becomes very complex and time consuming. As I said at the start, this one became too big to even finish, hence just releasing these two tests rather than abandoning it altogether.
This is great! It would be awesome if you could have a chance to compare the R5II vs the FX3/a7s3/ZVE1 vs the Z6III. I’d be very curious to see which one has the best 4K120 or 2K240 for instance
I could, but again, it's days and days of testing and comparisons which may end up never seeing the light of day! It's harder than people think to source all the products at the same time, retest them all under identical conditions, ideally with the same adapted lens, then analyse them.
That was an excellent comparison that I was wondering about but this is the first video I found that showed side quality by side for all 3. I know it can be knit picky but I was surprised that the Canon R6ii didn’t hold up as well as I had hoped.
I also live in Europe but I do no understand why still lower framerates 25/50/100/150 fps are used if you can get 30/60/120/180 fps. Maybe for "oldschool" TV productions but majority of videos goes online and there it really does not matter if you are in NTSC or PAL region...
True about platforms not minding, BUT I still see a lot of frequency mis-match with artificial lighting, so stick to the old ways of using 50p in Europe and 60p in USA. That said, during a recent trip to Japan, I had to switch between 50 and 60p to deal with a variety of lighting!
@@cameralabs you can manually set the shutter speed on most decent cameras. Ofc then it won't exactly be 180 degrees (if you for example shoot at 30p and 1/50s) but hardly anyone will notice the difference :)
@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 you're right, but I've found some situations where only adjusting the frame rate or only adjusting the shutter will get the result you want. So I always start by selecting the frequency of the region I'm filming in first and work from there.
Just back from a 3-week 6000-mile roadtrip, and I left my digital photo cameras behind (took a Spotmatic SPII) and opted for the GH6 for video. On this, I had the 35mm Sirui anamorphic, and on that I had a diffusion filter, and I am slowly processing the files through Dehancer in Resolve. I tell you this because even as someone who spends an incredible amount of time, effort, and money actively trying to make my video worse than it actually is, I still watched and enjoyed your video, as always. Thanks, Gordon. xoxo
The flower image of the R6II looks quite a more clipped than the other two (see the yellow and orange leafs). Even though the exposure is the same. Is this because of the lower dynamic range?
Otherwise FF4K/60 is a huge advantage of the R6II. The absolute best quality still goes to the S5II 6K, although it's limited up to 30p.
Very nice comparison. The difference is really quite small between the three. But canon's uncropped 4k50/60 is a great advantage for a lot of peiple when compared to its competitors.
Yes, uncropped 4k60 is a big benefit of the R6II and R8, although I use open gate more on the S5 II
thanks, it's interesting, can we say that the r6ii and a7iv are also representative of r8 and a7cii respectively? I mean, are these two cameras identical in this comparison with their respective bigger siblings ? another interesting aspect to compare would be audio, internal audio quality, pre-amp quality, availability and price of digital audio solutions etc....
Yes, definitely, the results here are the same for subsequent models which share the same sensor and image processor.
It is always way harder to compare different objects than to do an isolated review. Kudos that you still managed to release this awesome video!
Thanks, sorry it wasn't more complete!
I think RUclips compression has cooked the last ISO test as at least on my phone until the last ISO on the lumix there was practically no noise (watxhing at 1080p)
Yeah, the compression and small screen will be a big leveller! Watch again on a big screen in 4k!
Watching this only makes me want the original, intended version, even more...
I really wish I could have made it all. I got about halfway through on and off over 18 months, but I just had to draw a line under it and get out this part while it was still relevant,
I got s5iiX 35, 50, and 85 s primes for ~2500usd from B&H during NAB. Value per dollar panasonic remains untouched until you go opt for aps-c
at 1080 25p lumix best
at 1080 50p all equal
at 1080 100p r6ii best
at 1080 150p r6ii best by no competition (no sound)
at 4k 25p lumix last, r6ii best
at 4k 50p r6ii best (uncropped)
at 5.9k 25p lumix best by no competition
at 6k 25p lumix best (r6ii does 6k externally to 6k60p)
all look similar in noise performance
overall tally the results r6ii best, s5ii second, a7iv third.
If Lumix had introduced phase detect 5 or so years ago they could have been dominating Nikon and Canon especially in the days where those guys were stuck on DSLR's
Lumix you really need to learn to stop hating money! The S5ii has had some ridiculous deals recently and it's tempted me even though I don't want or need 35mm
LOL! I was under a similar impression, that the whole line of Lumix cameras was just a tax write off for Panasonic's actually successful businesses... In all seriousness though, I couldn't resist a recent deal on an S5 IIX + 20-60mm kit zoom + 50mm f/1.8 for US $2,200 from the Panasonic Store on Amazon.
@marinrealestatephotography I know right?! They make awesome and reliable products so I don't get why they don't like to actually market their cameras that well.
Lumix + good AF would be a perfect competitor. Current deals might sound good but considering the used market for the lenses, Sony A7 IV is not that expensive.
@@marinrealestatephotography Damn! I paid $2,200.00 for the s5 2x body only!!!
Everything about Panasonic is good; price, ergos, lens selection, colors etc. DFD is fast and good for photos but really did struggle in video. Now I'm a happy owner of both Sony and Panasonic but I'm hoping one will win out because I keep on buying lenses for both systems. I really can't commit to one 100% at this point in the game
the r6ii allows you to go to ISO 204,800 , you just have to enable it in the menu. Red Camera menu Page 2, ISO speed settings, and increase the ISO speed range.
Just moved to the S5II from Fuji. So far magenta in the log files making color grading frustrating but ither than that I love it.
Why Why Why Why would you STOP a motion video, and compare only single frames??? When watching a movie, who the h.ll stop the movie frame and look??? Just compare real footage, and you'll see the real difference. Rolling shutter is one of the biggest differentiators in a movie.
To compare resolution and noise - the stated content of the video at the start - it's best to use static compositions. I didn't frame grab though, these are all actual video clips I'm showing as you can see from the moving moire or noise patterns. I agree rolling shutter is also important, but again as stated in the video, this isn't a complete test, only a short comparison of a project I was unable to complete.
S5 Baby!!
s5ii for the win
I use the Open Gate surprisingly often
@@cameralabs Out of curiosity, WHY do you use open gate often? (My reason for open gate, as I mentioned in another comment, is that clients are wanting a vertical edit for social media to go along with their horizontal 16:9 video). But interested in hearing your thoughts.
No 4k60p full frame...
@@marinrealestatephotography exactly the same. It lets me reframe B-roll for different formats, plus it's 6k on the S5 II which also gives me a bit more detail than 4k.
@@Pavel_Masek neither a7iv record 4k 60 fps in ff..
All great to be fair. seems customer preference for handling, workflow and hardware/software ecosystem will be the main deciding factor
All 3 of these can get the job done quality-wise for sure. I'd add there's also going to be differences when you're talking autofocus, lens choice, stabilization, and Log profiles as well. All depends kind of stuff you'll mainly be shooting
What bitrate and format are these in for the Sony? All intra ?
Low compression as i recall vut Unfortunately by the time RUclips has finished with them, it doesn't matter too much!
I was interested to see that the Canon R6 II has a 1080 150p or 180p option. This is a great feature for slow-motion footage.
I also noticed that the Lumix S5 II has a 6K 25p open gate mode. This is a very impressive feature, and it should be great for video production.
Overall, I think this is a great video that provides a lot of valuable information about these three cameras. you know i am a huge fan of canon camera..so i always go with canon 🤪i will definitely try lumix and sony too😃✌️
Please make friends with Gordon @nikon!
Winners:
1080 25P: S5II
1080 50P: A7IV
1080 100p: S5II
Splitting hairs between these in terms of picture quality - they are excellent. If you need great AF, go Sony. Need stabilization, LUMIX. Sadly, there’s no good reason to buy a Canon. 🤪🤣
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And great stabilization and AF. Not too sure why you would post such a misleading statement? Most likely you haven't used all these cameras, as I have.
Thanks Gordon. Doubt I'll ever own any of these cameras but always interesting to see where the better manufactures are directing their resources. Thar being said, I have considered adding the Canon R8 as a lightweight travel cam so it's good to know that it should be capable of creating HQ video if needed .
Yep, the R6 II results here also apply to the R8
How did you light your test charts ? The Lumix S5 II has a noticeable magenta tinge on the grey patches on the high resolution shots. I have an S5 II, It's frustrating. That magenta is always there along with some over sharpening and a tendency to moiré. That said sometimes the output at 5.7k is amazing .
I agree. I used the same softbox lighting for all of them, and took custom WB readings, but yes, there does seem to be a magenta shift on some of my Lumix footage. It's particularly noticeable on the chart as it's neutral and next to two others, so even very subtle differences stand out.
SONY A7R5 IS BEST FOR VIDEO. BETTER STABILIZATION, DYNAMIC RANGE ALSO.
WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?
HOW MUCH IS A7R5 ???!?!??! :D
@@engineer4862 ABOUT A GRAND MORE THAN ANY OF THE THREE I COMPARED. SO THE OP MESSAGE IS 'MORE EXPENSIVE CAMERA PERFORMS BETTER THAN CHEAPER MODELS'
your white balance is wrong, too blue
It was set to match the lighting. It can look odd though when you put grey / neutral clips from different cameras next to each other - they invariably show a colour cast. But that doesn't affect the results in terms of resolution or noise.
You got to get a wider lens for walks talky shots 😊 my opinion it’s going to be interesting to see when the next gen come out next year. Panasonic look great but not worth switching a whole system for imo
Believe it or not, it IS a wide lens, 18mm, but the problem is the high stabilization made a tight crop. I should have turned down the stabilization a bit...
👍👍👍
Shame you didn’t have the Nikon…
They don't supply me with review samples. I've no idea why not.
@@cameralabs I saw you mention this with the PP guys. Come on Nikon!!
R6ii for me! Speed demon! Sharp as samurai
Canon won overall in my opinion. No cropping in 4K 50/60p and lots of details.
Yes, the uncropped 4k up to 60p is a major plus for this category.
And the unspoken hero issssss.... The S5ii image stabilisation. It is so jext level
You're seeing it in action on my intro and outro, using Digital High, but it has quite a severe crop, as this was with the 18mm!
Can you mail me these 3 cameras so I can test them?
Sure thing, let me know when you get them
Oh thank God you made this I'm literally trying to decide if I should jump from the s5iix or the r6mkii my R is hitting its limit in video specifically. I have only 3 RF lenses I have more EF and some adapted lenses as well
I love my s5iix and s primes, but if you are already invested in canon glass, the choice is probably clear
Get the S5ii. As an OG R6 user, the image from the S5ii is leaps and bounds over Canon's R6 and even R6ii, but more importantly the dynamic range is better, and the tools on the camera are better and stay on the screen when you hit the record button (unlike Canon).
I'd say in the run-up to Christmas there may be some good reductions
The image stabilization and built in luts are the game changer for the S5ii
@@benjamin.kelley r6ii got false color, and it stays on the screen when you hit the record button. you can toggle it.
All looked good; better than most folks would ever actually need in use I suspect. Based on this video alone I would lean perhaps to the R6ii, but in some cases the s5ii. If you had walked with the others I would be surprised if their IBIS was quite as good, but these really aren’t vlogging cameras…stick with your OP3! 😊. I noted S5ii selling at about $1800, R6ii around $2k and A7iv at $2500 on B&H right now.
That's a high price for the A7 IV right now - I'd expect a replacement in the next 6 months
It seems you didn't test out the images at their native ISO when comparing noise.
No, again, this was all I had time to do.
Comparing resolution is good, but what about dynamic range ?
Sure, and what about rolling shutter, autofocus, stabilization and everything else? There's literally hundreds of things any of us can test on a camera, but when comparing multiple products simultaneously, it becomes very complex and time consuming. As I said at the start, this one became too big to even finish, hence just releasing these two tests rather than abandoning it altogether.
This is great! It would be awesome if you could have a chance to compare the R5II vs the FX3/a7s3/ZVE1 vs the Z6III. I’d be very curious to see which one has the best 4K120 or 2K240 for instance
I could, but again, it's days and days of testing and comparisons which may end up never seeing the light of day! It's harder than people think to source all the products at the same time, retest them all under identical conditions, ideally with the same adapted lens, then analyse them.
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Welcome!
That was an excellent comparison that I was wondering about but this is the first video I found that showed side quality by side for all 3. I know it can be knit picky but I was surprised that the Canon R6ii didn’t hold up as well as I had hoped.
Thankyou, the side by side is very time consuming to make and present.
Fantastic
Thanks for this. I'll share it.
Thanks!
Always a very well done comparisons! A pleasure 🙏🏻
thanks!
I also live in Europe but I do no understand why still lower framerates 25/50/100/150 fps are used if you can get 30/60/120/180 fps. Maybe for "oldschool" TV productions but majority of videos goes online and there it really does not matter if you are in NTSC or PAL region...
True about platforms not minding, BUT I still see a lot of frequency mis-match with artificial lighting, so stick to the old ways of using 50p in Europe and 60p in USA. That said, during a recent trip to Japan, I had to switch between 50 and 60p to deal with a variety of lighting!
It matters because of matching grid frequency
Sorry, I have forgot as I do not shoot often under artifical light.
Thanks for the review...
@@cameralabs you can manually set the shutter speed on most decent cameras. Ofc then it won't exactly be 180 degrees (if you for example shoot at 30p and 1/50s) but hardly anyone will notice the difference :)
@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 you're right, but I've found some situations where only adjusting the frame rate or only adjusting the shutter will get the result you want. So I always start by selecting the frequency of the region I'm filming in first and work from there.
Instant click!👍🏾😎
6:50 - 7:50 It's a bit suspicious - I didn't notice a single mosquito buzzing around (even in 4K)...
What's suspicious?
Just back from a 3-week 6000-mile roadtrip, and I left my digital photo cameras behind (took a Spotmatic SPII) and opted for the GH6 for video. On this, I had the 35mm Sirui anamorphic, and on that I had a diffusion filter, and I am slowly processing the files through Dehancer in Resolve. I tell you this because even as someone who spends an incredible amount of time, effort, and money actively trying to make my video worse than it actually is, I still watched and enjoyed your video, as always. Thanks, Gordon. xoxo
Glad you watched and enjoyed!