As a former resident of Bedford, Italy's most Northern city, I can reveal that Italian bureaucracy is constantly reshaped by the ingenious ways in which Italians seek to circumnavigate that bureaucracy. It is a constantly interactive process.
This piqued my interest because I had an Italian Uncle by marriage retire to Bedford after living in Scotland for most of his life. So I googled it. Bedford has a large Italian community, including a Vice-Consulate, apparently a result of the immigration of south Italian brickworkers in the 1950s. I guess Uncle Bert retired to live in UK's "Little Italy"!
Italian here. Excellent example of the bizarre and counterintuitive attitudes of Italian bureaucracy, though I’d argue that one never witnesses “Italian bureaucracy in action”: rather, one sees the effects of Italian bureaucracy contrasting the (attempts) of motion of anything it comes into contact with. It’s truly an exercise in frustration.
‘James’ is not an Italian name and ‘Junghanns’ is not an Italian surname. If I were trying to impersonate an Italian fraudulently I’d be doing a pretty poor job of it. And yet here I am, full citizen since birth and carrying a passport. So… nice try bro.
@@qubex vabbè dai, per farlo stare zitto definitamente dovevi mandarlo a fanculo e mettere un po' di mammamia mafia pizzeria qua e là così lo convincevi
"Fatta la Legge, gia' trovato l'inganno" "Made the Law, already found the Loop-hole". Common saying in 1970s Italy, in all parts of the Bureaucracy. BTW, nowadays, the only Calibri di Guerra are 9x19 Parabellum, and .50 BMG. All the old Military, are now free to own and shoot. But there are a host of other ridiculous limitations and prohibitions. DocAV.
It's interesting to see the different manners in which governments try to justify the regulation of handguns. Here in Canada, lawmakers were obsessed with concealment, whereas it appears they had the opposite concern in Italy.
Laughs in 200 maximum ownable ammunitions in pistol caliber. And if one's a lucky owner of a CCW pemit (19 thousand people) he can buy max 50 ammo per year for his own carry pistol.
About those countries that ban military calibers; in mid-twentieth century Mexico (when they could own guns) Colt sold many thousands of .38 Supers to the Mexican market. So, arguably, Mexican civilians had more potent handguns than the .45 ACP and 9mm that the Mexican military were using.
An interesting factoid is that both guns show Roman numerals on the slide, XVI on the first and XVII on the second which indicate the ‘Year of the Fascist Era’ or ‘Anno dell’era Fascista’ and from that we can deduce a more precise date of manufacture because: XVI is the 16th year 28 October 1937-27 October 1938 and XVII is the 17th year 28 October 1938-27 October 1939
Please thank fireplace guy for not hiding his hoard like so many collectors do. It astounds me how many collectors view it as their duty to gatekeep and bogart their collections because it "raises the value", while ignoring the legitimate historical interest in letting people see these pieces as they exist.
Not genius enough to make it pass, but agreed. =) Though fwiw I don't think "leading European experts" necessarily carries that much weight in Europe, we know what kind of idiots we are...
-Duude i'm so hangover.. -Darn it, Robert, we have that guns thing today, it's important..! -OOff.. just... just sort them by weight alright? bring me a coffee. AND an aspirin! AND a scotch. Double.
Italian gun laws are very lax for European standards: you can buy almost any modern gun, even semi-automatic rifles if you have a sporting license. However, civilian carry is pretty much non-existent. The biggest problem in Italy is that civilians can’t own 9x19mm. Hence the unnecessary 9x21mm...
Meanwhile, with specific licenses you can own full auto guns in Finland, Austria, Malta and if you were lucky or old enough you can own them in Italy too.
@@cardiffpicker1 "miltary calibers" are prohibited by law in Italy since 1931. We can own 7.62 and 5.56 guns thank to civilian counterparts as the .308 and the .223, but for the 9x19 we still have some troubles. It's not a matter of pressures, as far as I know it's a way to avoid criminals from stealing guns by narracks and use them with commercial ammo. But that's just one of the many stories. We can legally own 9x19 and shoot it through carabines; we cannot own (or produce for the civilian market) pistols in 9x19, that's why we use 9x21, that has the same pressures and OAL, just 2 more mm of the case. All milsurp barrels in 9x19 are milled 2mm in so to accomodate the new, legal cartridge.
You know Ian, here in italy we soffer sort of the same problem even nowdays, in fact we use 9x21 instead of 9 parabellum in our civilian pistol, due to the fact that it is considered a war/law enforcement caliber
@@giorgiosorrentino5106 .....FINALMENTE=AT LAST!!!...the Cal.9÷19 has become a common caliber!!!...the horrible damaged: ex-beautiful/rare pistols WW2 period: Stupidly RUINED, are already in circulation!!!....
Ian just described a problem that still exists in Italy. If you want something or if you want anything done in any area of society, it's who you know and what recommendation you can get from someone influential. It is a fundamental reason why so many Italians left Italy for the USA, including my parents. But I digress, great review thanks!
@asdrubale bisanzio I don't want to wander too off topic but I know why my parents left Italy and the inability to get ahead and the lack of recommendations are inherently tied to earnings so yes, the financial aspect certainly played a part. It still does today as seen by the brain drain that Italy has been experiencing for decades. The UK, Germany, and the USA simply offer more opportunities to move up based on merit.
Another great video sir. Thank you. I thought I knew a lot about Firearms until I started to watch your Channel. I've learned more in the several years of watching your channel than anything I thought I could even know. Keep it up thank you sir
We sometimes forgot that politicians who decide about real life stuff almost always never saw it, use it, have knowledge about it. For example most of politicians that deal with roads and cars don't use car and often all roads they use it from home-office-restaurant-prostitutehome and almost all of them have driver. The same with guns, most of politicians saw guns only on paper as some number...
Dear Ian, I love your channel and being italian myself, this video managed to put both a big smile on my face, and also to make me sad. I know we are messed up, we complain so much about our burocracy that we basically managed to convince the rest of the world about it (we are stubborn as hell and extremely proficient to accomplish those kind of counter-productive and meaningless tasks :D). Anyway I feel just to point out that during this timeframe (that of the production and selling of those pistols) we were kind of under a dictatorial regime that didn't really belived in freedom and neighter was based on some more modern concept such as human rights (ehmm mussolini and fascism, you know). That being sayd I can relate to this sort of messing about with the law, around here we have a way of saying that I can loosely translate it to: "Given a new rule, you find a new loophole". But we manage you know, like anybody else. We are hard working and we can take bad things chin up. We just love to complain, that's all. Keep up the excellent work, love from Italy. (sorry for tha typos, i'm to lazy to double check, you know, italians right?) :D
The aluminum frame like this was also used for the model 948 in the 1950's. That pistol is the same size but chambered to shoot 22lr ammo. Very handy pistols.
In Italy a couple of months ago I ran across two Lugers for sale in a sporting goods store. I would have never have believed they were that easily available. I should have at least asked the prices......
Ga Stone So, about what they go for here. I heard that quite a few years ago with the collapse of the Soviet block many thousands in the armories of Eastern Europe flooded into the US and prices were less than $500. Do you know if that was true, or somebody's pipe dream?
No its not quiete the most italian thing I ever heard. To see these, watch the "Don Camillo" movies from the 1950s. Like when the communist mayor and the catholic priest Don Camillo make a race of who's tower clock is ringing first - the one on the church tower, or the one on the "casa del populo", the "people's house". That's as italian as it gets. :)
Ah, nice memories coming back from my childhood .... thank You very much for this. ... and they both had their own little arsenal of rifles, mg's and mortars hidden under the cows fudder, just in case..... Peppone side had a tank too, an M24....
@@petebeatminister three years ago they have put a tank as monument in the central place of Brescello, the village where the movies of Peppone and Don Camillo where shot, to rember the episode. It Is an M26 though. There are videos on YT of the day the tank arrived there.
Note how and where the ribs on that Tipo Alleggerito are worn. That's just about what I would expect with such a design. On a smooth full diameter barrel it wouldn't matter - here it impacts lightly on each raised rib section that the slide traverses, (looks like it hits as the slide is moving forward).
On the 1934 slide, next to the 1938, it has "XVI". I believe this is in reference to the 16th year of Fascist rule in Italy: 1938 - 1922 = 16 Similarly, on the 1935 slide we see a XVII next to the 1939 Thoughts? Can you confirm Ian?
"... and, we're back at Casa Del Pistole. Behold, the Fireplace of Esoteric Handguns, where our intrepid hero, Gun Jesus McCollum, examines for our edutainment the latest addition to the collection of the Great Bangstick Santa himself..." Ian, please never change, and stay friends with whoever it is that owns all these things...👍🇦🇺
@@tassiehandyman3090 Did you use those 'Avanti!' Italian tapes in class? haahah. Good times. I was lucky; in North Melb, Vic, every second dude was an Italian-Australian so we learnt all the finest swearwords
Oh those silly Italian bureaucrats. In the U.S.A., with our 2nd Amendment, never would a manufacturer need to circumvent a ludicrous law which bans arbitrary characteristics of a firearm by creating a lightweight version like the Carbon-15!
Beretta 35 ALLEGERITA is a lightened type , thethickness of the slide was reduced for 1mn at each side. It has slide grip grooves on the bolt which are of minor depth.
Nice plum colouration on the slides. Is that age or original? Only time I've seen this elsewhere is when the blueing chemicals were at the wrong temperature.
Immensely happy to own a P. Beretta Alleggerito since 1986. The best .380 ever made, never jammed, accurate, reliable, lightweight. I had and have all known .380s, none better than her. I will never sell or exchange it, for this reason it is my oldest firearm in my collection.
My dad drove from UK to South Africa through France - North Africa - East then South Africa. 1947, they used to get supplies free from the army camps in Egypt as they were using ex army trucks so just followed the tail end of convoys. In one the officers invited them into the mess and upon finding they had no arms gave them a captured Luger and one of these Berettas they packed them behind the headlamp housing with paper to stop rattling. ( the fluted barrel) unfortunately my grandmother threw it in the sea in SA as she did not approve :)
I am literally, holding in my hands, a 1940-XVIII Beretta and watching this. Mine is nickel plated and assumed an Officer's version. Perhaps Ian would like to do Italian Handgun Book next...?
@@NumbDiggers1998 Not a good argument as there are many other factors that influence murder rates. No one is saying the only the only factor explaining homicide rates with firearms is gun ownership rates and availability, but its certainly a part of it. I'm saying that as someone who'd really like their own country to loosen up on some of their annoying firearms related restrictions. Also, not everyone wants firearms regulation just like the US. A lot of us are fine with it being at least somewhat more restrictive than the US.
Hey Ian, when in comes to wacky gun laws, maybe take a look (if you get a chance) at the Airringer developed by Joerg Sprave to circumvent german gun laws. But it was made redundant after one year when the goverment closed that loophole. Greetings from Germany :)
Hey Ian, or anyone else: Given a gun will always fail at the weakest point, assuming that in this hypothetical, the failure is constrained to the barrel, do those "rings" where the barrel hasn't been machined down (in between the go-fast, more speed! Lightening cuts) do they provide any structural integrity against barrel obstruction and over pressurisation. Would it hold up to that in any appreciable amount compared to having most of the barrel turned down, without the rings being left?
What does the reddish bluing represent? I've been told that it's due to a higher temperature during bluing? I have a Russian gas seal pistol that the cylinder is reddish but the rest of the pistol is blued. All components with the same number.
A lot of Italian laws are wacky. An Italian asked me once if I knew why Italy is the shape of a boot and I had no answer. He then told me that it is because you couldn't fit that much shit in a shoe! :)
I know it's outside the scope of the channel, but I would love to get Ians (and Carls for that matter) opinion (or diatribe) on the general state of gun laws. I can make an educated guess, but I'm sure both of them will have nuance I cannot predict.
Slick looking pistol! Just the right proportions, i also really like the ring at the grip and the barrel being weird. I mean it's weird to call weapons beautiful but this one sure is.
Arguing with the government is like arguing with your elderly parents. They don't care how logical you are. They already decided what the truth is going to be.
they are still wacky. Carbines allowed in 9 luger/para (9x19) but STILL forbidden for pistol. Thus the 9 mm pistol on sale are 9 mm imi (9x21 mm)....same bullet caliber, same energy but just a tad longer brass
Can you comment on user friendliness? I found changing magazines cumbersome. The mag holds the slide, the release is the bottom of the well, it's held up by slide tension, and the catch presses on the back of the mag the entire time.
Videos like this make me wonder how many times Fireplace Man/Woman has been burned by fakes in the past. Like yeah, the stuff of his that Ian shows is legit and super rare, but I shudder to think of how many guns in this collection (and big collections all over) are inevitably riddled with fakes, despite the collectors' best intentions and expertise.
why the hell did the lighten the barrel by creating the scallops around the circumference of the barrel? Seems much more straightforward (not to mention better for the front bushing) to have the cutaways go along the length of the barrel.
TBH, I to this day can't understand the logic behind "civilians can't use the same caliber as military" laws. The train of thought that must have lead to these being adopted is a complete mystery to me.
In italy 9x19 is banned cause it is considered as a "war caliber" so we have all our 9mm chambered in 9x21 that balistically is the same as the 9x19 it just cost more and can't be fit into 9x19 guns
As a former resident of Bedford, Italy's most Northern city, I can reveal that Italian bureaucracy is constantly reshaped by the ingenious ways in which Italians seek to circumnavigate that bureaucracy. It is a constantly interactive process.
What city are you referring to? Maybe Brunico/Bruneck?
This piqued my interest because I had an Italian Uncle by marriage retire to Bedford after living in Scotland for most of his life. So I googled it. Bedford has a large Italian community, including a Vice-Consulate, apparently a result of the immigration of south Italian brickworkers in the 1950s. I guess Uncle Bert retired to live in UK's "Little Italy"!
Keep it up tyranny will never stop trying to gain power.
@@petercain8265 Well, then it's a true statement XD
@@petercain8265 Attempts to withdraw the Vice-Consulate by the Italian government provoked vigorous protests!
"The argument was completely shot down by the Italian government"
I see what you did there! ;)
Italian here. Excellent example of the bizarre and counterintuitive attitudes of Italian bureaucracy, though I’d argue that one never witnesses “Italian bureaucracy in action”: rather, one sees the effects of Italian bureaucracy contrasting the (attempts) of motion of anything it comes into contact with. It’s truly an exercise in frustration.
James is not an Italian name. Nice try bro
‘James’ is not an Italian name and ‘Junghanns’ is not an Italian surname. If I were trying to impersonate an Italian fraudulently I’d be doing a pretty poor job of it. And yet here I am, full citizen since birth and carrying a passport. So… nice try bro.
@@qubex vabbè dai, per farlo stare zitto definitamente dovevi mandarlo a fanculo e mettere un po' di mammamia mafia pizzeria qua e là così lo convincevi
If it's an obscure hard to find firearm, Fireplace Guy has at least two. Thank you for letting us view your collection.
Only one remaining example of a firearm left? Fireplace Guy has two.
"Fatta la Legge, gia' trovato l'inganno"
"Made the Law, already found the Loop-hole".
Common saying in 1970s Italy, in all parts of the Bureaucracy.
BTW, nowadays, the only Calibri di Guerra are 9x19 Parabellum, and .50 BMG. All the old Military, are now free to own and shoot. But there are a host of other ridiculous limitations and prohibitions.
DocAV.
I believe ive seen you around the internet when researching my italian guns
Technically 5,56x45 and 7,62x51 too, but we can have .223 and .308 so the limitation on those caliber is basically non-existent
Technically 50 BMG isn't strictly illegal. No gun with it has ever been approved at the Banco, tho.
We have the same saying here in Buenos Aires, in spanish "Hecha la ley, hecha la trampa".
Yep like the limitation of owning maximum 2kg of powder counting all powder inside the cartridges. Viva Italia.
It's interesting to see the different manners in which governments try to justify the regulation of handguns. Here in Canada, lawmakers were obsessed with concealment, whereas it appears they had the opposite concern in Italy.
"Italian gun laws are wacky" smiles in pistol brace.
-smiles thinking about the letter sent to the ATF about using a Fleshlight as a brace-
Italian gun laws are wacky but we don't need pistol braces to own a 10.5" AR
Smiles thinking of this: ruclips.net/video/UqRC6JyfB1U/видео.html
@@davide.truzzi now that is just beautiful
Laughs in 200 maximum ownable ammunitions in pistol caliber. And if one's a lucky owner of a CCW pemit (19 thousand people) he can buy max 50 ammo per year for his own carry pistol.
Amazing how something that most people would pass off as an oddity could how such an amazing background story. This is why I love this channel.
About those countries that ban military calibers; in mid-twentieth century Mexico (when they could own guns) Colt sold many thousands of .38 Supers to the Mexican market. So, arguably, Mexican civilians had more potent handguns than the .45 ACP and 9mm that the Mexican military were using.
Charming to see the design roots of the model 92 in these.
Look at the 1951 beretta if you get a chance!
@@thomasthomas6533 Yes they slowly iterate and refine through time, but still keep the lines.
1:02 I love the colour of that slide.
An interesting factoid is that both guns show Roman numerals on the slide, XVI on the first and XVII on the second which indicate the ‘Year of the Fascist Era’ or ‘Anno dell’era Fascista’ and from that we can deduce a more precise date of manufacture because:
XVI is the 16th year
28 October 1937-27 October 1938 and
XVII is the 17th year
28 October 1938-27 October 1939
Please thank fireplace guy for not hiding his hoard like so many collectors do. It astounds me how many collectors view it as their duty to gatekeep and bogart their collections because it "raises the value", while ignoring the legitimate historical interest in letting people see these pieces as they exist.
Whoever thought of that "leading european experts" bit about weight and pistols being 'military' was a genius bullshitter
Not genius enough to make it pass, but agreed. =)
Though fwiw I don't think "leading European experts" necessarily carries that much weight in Europe, we know what kind of idiots we are...
-Duude i'm so hangover..
-Darn it, Robert, we have that guns thing today, it's important..!
-OOff.. just... just sort them by weight alright? bring me a coffee. AND an aspirin! AND a scotch. Double.
Just make a bb gun with a heavy ass barrel and see if they have a fit over it.
Italian gun laws are very lax for European standards: you can buy almost any modern gun, even semi-automatic rifles if you have a sporting license. However, civilian carry is pretty much non-existent.
The biggest problem in Italy is that civilians can’t own 9x19mm. Hence the unnecessary 9x21mm...
Meanwhile, with specific licenses you can own full auto guns in Finland, Austria, Malta and if you were lucky or old enough you can own them in Italy too.
What is the regulation of 9mm auto?
@@cardiffpicker1 "miltary calibers" are prohibited by law in Italy since 1931. We can own 7.62 and 5.56 guns thank to civilian counterparts as the .308 and the .223, but for the 9x19 we still have some troubles. It's not a matter of pressures, as far as I know it's a way to avoid criminals from stealing guns by narracks and use them with commercial ammo. But that's just one of the many stories.
We can legally own 9x19 and shoot it through carabines; we cannot own (or produce for the civilian market) pistols in 9x19, that's why we use 9x21, that has the same pressures and OAL, just 2 more mm of the case. All milsurp barrels in 9x19 are milled 2mm in so to accomodate the new, legal cartridge.
@@venceslaobriata9466 as far as I am aware 9mm auto isn't a military cartridge
@@cardiffpicker1 what do you mean as 9mm auto?
Fireplace Guy comes through with the goods again.
Fireplace guy has a fucking great pistol collection, I dunno about you but I'm very envious!
You know Ian, here in italy we soffer sort of the same problem even nowdays, in fact we use 9x21 instead of 9 parabellum in our civilian pistol, due to the fact that it is considered a war/law enforcement caliber
Non più 👍
@@giorgiosorrentino5106 .....FINALMENTE=AT LAST!!!...the Cal.9÷19 has become a common caliber!!!...the horrible damaged: ex-beautiful/rare pistols WW2 period: Stupidly RUINED, are already in circulation!!!....
I had accidentally muted the video for the first 10 seconds. But I knew what was being said anyway
The Beretta 1935 is such a sexy and iconic pistol, alongside the Walther PP and PPK
Ian just described a problem that still exists in Italy. If you want something or if you want anything done in any area of society, it's who you know and what recommendation you can get from someone influential. It is a fundamental reason why so many Italians left Italy for the USA, including my parents. But I digress, great review thanks!
@asdrubale bisanzio I don't want to wander too off topic but I know why my parents left Italy and the inability to get ahead and the lack of recommendations are inherently tied to earnings so yes, the financial aspect certainly played a part. It still does today as seen by the brain drain that Italy has been experiencing for decades. The UK, Germany, and the USA simply offer more opportunities to move up based on merit.
Another great video sir. Thank you. I thought I knew a lot about Firearms until I started to watch your Channel. I've learned more in the several years of watching your channel than anything I thought I could even know. Keep it up thank you sir
We sometimes forgot that politicians who decide about real life stuff almost always never saw it, use it, have knowledge about it. For example most of politicians that deal with roads and cars don't use car and often all roads they use it from home-office-restaurant-prostitutehome and almost all of them have driver. The same with guns, most of politicians saw guns only on paper as some number...
I'm Italian... And yes burocracy here is a pain in the ass and mostly extremely stupid...
Dear Ian, I love your channel and being italian myself, this video managed to put both a big smile on my face, and also to make me sad. I know we are messed up, we complain so much about our burocracy that we basically managed to convince the rest of the world about it (we are stubborn as hell and extremely proficient to accomplish those kind of counter-productive and meaningless tasks :D). Anyway I feel just to point out that during this timeframe (that of the production and selling of those pistols) we were kind of under a dictatorial regime that didn't really belived in freedom and neighter was based on some more modern concept such as human rights (ehmm mussolini and fascism, you know). That being sayd I can relate to this sort of messing about with the law, around here we have a way of saying that I can loosely translate it to: "Given a new rule, you find a new loophole". But we manage you know, like anybody else. We are hard working and we can take bad things chin up. We just love to complain, that's all. Keep up the excellent work, love from Italy. (sorry for tha typos, i'm to lazy to double check, you know, italians right?) :D
The aluminum frame like this was also used for the model 948 in the 1950's. That pistol is the same size but chambered to shoot 22lr ammo. Very handy pistols.
Ian: Lightened
Me: Ribbed for her pleasure
YES!!!
In Italy a couple of months ago I ran across two Lugers for sale in a sporting goods store. I would have never have believed they were that easily available. I should have at least asked the prices......
they usually go from 1000 euro up to 6000 for rare models.
Ga Stone So, about what they go for here. I heard that quite a few years ago with the collapse of the Soviet block many thousands in the armories of Eastern Europe flooded into the US and prices were less than $500. Do you know if that was true, or somebody's pipe dream?
No its not quiete the most italian thing I ever heard. To see these, watch the "Don Camillo" movies from the 1950s. Like when the communist mayor and the catholic priest Don Camillo make a race of who's tower clock is ringing first - the one on the church tower, or the one on the "casa del populo", the "people's house". That's as italian as it gets. :)
italian comedy was pretty good back in the day haha!
Ah, nice memories coming back from my childhood .... thank You very much for this.
... and they both had their own little arsenal of rifles, mg's and mortars hidden under the cows fudder, just in case.....
Peppone side had a tank too, an M24....
@@luisantolafrancis519 that would be Don Matteo. Don Camillo was french actor Fernandel
@@georgesmith5708 yes, "surplus" from WW2... :)
@@petebeatminister three years ago they have put a tank as monument in the central place of Brescello, the village where the movies of Peppone and Don Camillo where shot, to rember the episode.
It Is an M26 though.
There are videos on YT of the day the tank arrived there.
8:33 A slip of the tongue? "Templar" :D
In Roger Moore's tv series "The Saint" Simon Templar quite often carried a '35, which is how I ended up here.
Something about the beretta signature slide, it's too weird to live too rare to die. I love it
American assault weapon ban had weight limitations on pistols too, Ian made a video on the Olympic Arms AR-15 pistol that was heavily skeletonized.
Note how and where the ribs on that Tipo Alleggerito are worn. That's just about what I would expect with such a design. On a smooth full diameter barrel it wouldn't matter - here it impacts lightly on each raised rib section that the slide traverses, (looks like it hits as the slide is moving forward).
As a rare Italian handgun forger, I am eternally grateful to Gun Jesus for his tutorials... 😂
Ah, the Lamborghini marketing strategy. Leave a bunch of stuff off, label it "Superleggera", sell it for more. :)
On the 1934 slide, next to the 1938, it has "XVI". I believe this is in reference to the 16th year of Fascist rule in Italy: 1938 - 1922 = 16 Similarly, on the 1935 slide we see a XVII next to the 1939 Thoughts? Can you confirm Ian?
The one I have is a military version 1940. Mine has a barrel that's turned plum while the slide is still blued.
The Dan Wesson 'barney' phenomenon?
"larger caliber not as effective" for a ...380acp
Someone was dipping into the wine.
We are taking a look to the grand grand parents of the Beretta 92fs. That slide is meant to be loved.
Ian: ...because italian gun laws are wacky.
Me, an italian: ...just the gun laws!?
7/10 on the attempt to say "alleggerito"
Si dai, mi sembra onesto 😂
Almeno ci ha provato, su
"Alle(g)grito" è più simpatico 😝
Di solito la sua pronuncia italiana è molto buona.
Purtroppo non era "alla legge"
"... and, we're back at Casa Del Pistole. Behold, the Fireplace of Esoteric Handguns, where our intrepid hero, Gun Jesus McCollum, examines for our edutainment the latest addition to the collection of the Great Bangstick Santa himself..." Ian, please never change, and stay friends with whoever it is that owns all these things...👍🇦🇺
it should be "Casa Delle Pistole. "Del" is singular masculine, Della is singular feminine and Delle is plural feminine, as "Pistole" is. ;)
@@howtopronouncegewehr I did one year of Italian, in about 8th grade, so I concede my grammar leaves a great deal to be desired...🙏😂🇦🇺👍
Oak Mantle-piece has one hell of a collection.
@@tassiehandyman3090 Did you use those 'Avanti!' Italian tapes in class? haahah. Good times. I was lucky; in North Melb, Vic, every second dude was an Italian-Australian so we learnt all the finest swearwords
Oh those silly Italian bureaucrats. In the U.S.A., with our 2nd Amendment, never would a manufacturer need to circumvent a ludicrous law which bans arbitrary characteristics of a firearm by creating a lightweight version like the Carbon-15!
Very interesting history. Love the deep dives. Thanks Ian 😀
Beretta 35 ALLEGERITA is a lightened type , thethickness of the slide was reduced for 1mn at each side. It has slide grip grooves on the bolt which are of minor depth.
Nice plum colouration on the slides. Is that age or original? Only time I've seen this elsewhere is when the blueing chemicals were at the wrong temperature.
I've seen it recently on the new Kalashnikov PLK pistol. That burnt crimson/plum color looks so nice to me. I think it would look great on a p320.
I think it's original and caused by both the bluing salts and the steel itself.
Man, I'd love to get one of those .32s. Such a nice addition to any collection.
The plum-colored bluing on that first Beretta is just gorgeous.
"Tipo Allegrito" made me smile
Usually brought red things 🏁
I always love seeing these old spaghetti canons. Laws make things so weird.
"A-leh-jeh-ree-toe"
Allegrito
@@Odraodez Alleggerito
@@Ni999 no bro è allegrito
@@Odraodez It's good to be cheerful, but the pistol says that it's lightened.
@@Ni999 bro, I'm just joking on how Ian pronounces "alleggerito". I'm Italian, I know that there isn't written "allegrito".
Immensely happy to own a P. Beretta Alleggerito since 1986. The best .380 ever made, never jammed, accurate, reliable, lightweight. I had and have all known .380s, none better than her. I will never sell or exchange it, for this reason it is my oldest firearm in my collection.
The bit toward the end reminds me of the lecture Ian did on proof marking
If the barrel fails, MAYBE the material rings will stop a crack propagation?
My dad drove from UK to South Africa through France - North Africa - East then South Africa. 1947, they used to get supplies free from the army camps in Egypt as they were using ex army trucks so just followed the tail end of convoys. In one the officers invited them into the mess and upon finding they had no arms gave them a captured Luger and one of these Berettas they packed them behind the headlamp housing with paper to stop rattling. ( the fluted barrel) unfortunately my grandmother threw it in the sea in SA as she did not approve :)
I can understand the officer's concern, 1940's Africa was not a particularly safe place for anyone
The absurd-stupidity of a certain kind of women (my mother/RIP, not excluded) it is a international"reality".
I am literally, holding in my hands, a 1940-XVIII Beretta and watching this. Mine is nickel plated and assumed an Officer's version. Perhaps Ian would like to do Italian Handgun Book next...?
Hmm, so it's banned due to a 'cosmetic feature'. Well that wouldn't happen here. 😉
*cries in a brace on my 15.9" barreled AR*
"Marco, good news! We scored a military contract!"
"Oh, porco Dio!"
i think those 35's and 36 berretta's are just gorgeous, probably my dream gun aside from a sig amt but amt's arent too hard to find for a good price.
Once again we see the effect of irrelevant, intrusive government restrictions on perfectly reasonable firearms.
Well we also see the lack of weekly mass shooting.
There's a lot of countries with more restrictive gun control and bigger kills amount per 100tsnd people than the US
@@NumbDiggers1998 Not a good argument as there are many other factors that influence murder rates. No one is saying the only the only factor explaining homicide rates with firearms is gun ownership rates and availability, but its certainly a part of it.
I'm saying that as someone who'd really like their own country to loosen up on some of their annoying firearms related restrictions. Also, not everyone wants firearms regulation just like the US. A lot of us are fine with it being at least somewhat more restrictive than the US.
@@feibdegrassi1646 And that of a bunch of your IQ points
I love how the slides have turned a nice reddish plum color from age.
That bluing on the slide is gorgeous.
Very interesting video, Ian: great as usual.
BTW, 'alleggerito' is pronounced "Al-leh-jeh-reeto" (I am a bilingual British/Italian).
I don't care who lives there I only know it as the Bergmann house
Old Berettas look fantastic!
Intresting pocket pistol from beretta I never new about. Hope you still continue making more videos on wacky firearms
Hey Ian, when in comes to wacky gun laws, maybe take a look (if you get a chance) at the Airringer developed by Joerg Sprave to circumvent german gun laws. But it was made redundant after one year when the goverment closed that loophole. Greetings from Germany :)
Hey Ian, or anyone else:
Given a gun will always fail at the weakest point, assuming that in this hypothetical, the failure is constrained to the barrel, do those "rings" where the barrel hasn't been machined down (in between the go-fast, more speed! Lightening cuts) do they provide any structural integrity against barrel obstruction and over pressurisation.
Would it hold up to that in any appreciable amount compared to having most of the barrel turned down, without the rings being left?
What does the reddish bluing represent? I've been told that it's due to a higher temperature during bluing? I have a Russian gas seal pistol that the cylinder is reddish but the rest of the pistol is blued.
All components with the same number.
Cool looking ones too!
Thanks, Ian!
A lot of Italian laws are wacky.
An Italian asked me once if I knew why Italy is the shape of a boot and I had no answer.
He then told me that it is because you couldn't fit that much shit in a shoe! :)
Now i want a video about italian gun laws with Ian, valdsparastoria and Paul
It would be the greatest video EVER!
Vlad>>>>
I get the feeling the letter proved ineffective at swaying the legislators' opinions because the envelope wasn't lined with any banknotes.
I'd love to know more about the 9x21mm cartridges history.
I know it's outside the scope of the channel, but I would love to get Ians (and Carls for that matter) opinion (or diatribe) on the general state of gun laws. I can make an educated guess, but I'm sure both of them will have nuance I cannot predict.
So... I have a request... Could you do the Stg-45 Horn prototype? There's almost nothing on the internet about it.
how about an episode on the Beretta that was 007's original gun in the books 'Beretta with skeleton grips' - if it really existed.
Thank you for all you do
Slick looking pistol! Just the right proportions, i also really like the ring at the grip and the barrel being weird. I mean it's weird to call weapons beautiful but this one sure is.
It looks like a baby 92FS, it's adorable.
Looks like the lovechild of a 92FS and a 1911 at least on the surface level imo
Check the beretta 84, you won't be disappointed.
3:49 that... looks like 1934. I’m assuming they used crossed sevens, but even still, that looks like 4
Those old Beretta's are beautiful.
Arguing with the government is like arguing with your elderly parents. They don't care how logical you are. They already decided what the truth is going to be.
they are still wacky. Carbines allowed in 9 luger/para (9x19) but STILL forbidden for pistol.
Thus the 9 mm pistol on sale are 9 mm imi (9x21 mm)....same bullet caliber, same energy but just a tad longer brass
I still have one question why does the slide look like its copper plated
Can you comment on user friendliness? I found changing magazines cumbersome. The mag holds the slide, the release is the bottom of the well, it's held up by slide tension, and the catch presses on the back of the mag the entire time.
Thank you , Ian .
Videos like this make me wonder how many times Fireplace Man/Woman has been burned by fakes in the past. Like yeah, the stuff of his that Ian shows is legit and super rare, but I shudder to think of how many guns in this collection (and big collections all over) are inevitably riddled with fakes, despite the collectors' best intentions and expertise.
"Non-gender specific fireplace owner"
Better then California guns
Doubt
Poco ma sicuro
Today in Italy the problem is military or non military calibers.
Pocket sand! Or pocket Berretta! In this case
Never got pocket sand from Ft. Jackson out of my pockets until I DX'd my uniforms.
Nice video. Thanks for Your work.
"Tipo Alleggerito" is fun to say
But it is not said that way...well, tipo is right but allegerito has a different pronunciation 🤷
@@francescogiovannimura7621 all-edge-er-eto I guess....
@@davecompton5847 pretty much, not sure about that d in edge 🤔
why the hell did the lighten the barrel by creating the scallops around the circumference of the barrel? Seems much more straightforward (not to mention better for the front bushing) to have the cutaways go along the length of the barrel.
I recommend turning closed captions on. You will get a laugh.
TBH, I to this day can't understand the logic behind "civilians can't use the same caliber as military" laws.
The train of thought that must have lead to these being adopted is a complete mystery to me.
Love the plum color
"Italian gun laws are wacky" *chuckles in Roth-Krnka *
In italy 9x19 is banned cause it is considered as a "war caliber" so we have all our 9mm chambered in 9x21 that balistically is the same as the 9x19 it just cost more and can't be fit into 9x19 guns
Me: Fireplace guy; what exactly do you collect?
Fireplace guy: Idk... cool shit.
Such beautiful pistols.