It’s astounding to me the quality of the information in your videos and the fact that your videos are free compared to the people who create Netflix documentaries being paid millions to make less informative productions. You are definitely under valuing the quality of your research and presentation. THANK YOU for sharing it for free!
Imagine if you were a scholar and realizing that the accepted "truths" of the past are actually seeming to be incorrect. You would also want the world to know it might be wrong rather than being misled by false truths.
15:10 - that cylindrical 'bowl' was in the British Museum of Natural history in London - people walked past it like it was nothing, but being a machinist, one could easily see the level of precision was NUTS.
Yes, that is the issue non mechanically minded people just walk right past this stuff. That is why our history can be easily manipulated by these so called "experts"... How about consult the real experts who can explain using scientific process. Yet, they don't want that to happen, because our understanding will cease to give us a legitimate answer and will thus collapse the History Channel...
As a young electronics engineer I worked in Egypt for a few months in the late 1970's early 1980's. I'm not in the field of archeology or ancient history but because of my situation was fortunate to visit a lot of sites where tourists and guided visitors don't get to go. Even then I could see evidence of engineering in artefacts and constructions that could not be explained by the contemporary narrative of the time. I expected in future years that science would start to investigate the amazing technology which is in obvious evidence everywhere in the ancient ruins. But, no. The same old years old narrative is still shoved down the throats of the public arena. Ancients with hand tools created obviously high technological monuments and implements. To quote an old Australian Physics lecturer : "Why is that so?" The truth must be too dangerous for the general public to handle is it :- "You can't handle the Truth!!!" (as the meme goes.)
Less ivanerrol, after spending a few hours turning this vase, I went and gathered my hunting stones and sling to hunt the food for my family. LOL 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
What stuns me about this apparent attempt to cover-up/hide/misrepresent this older civilisation is that, for me at least, it's far more interesting than the false narrative of these artifacts all being just a few thousand years old, and made by relatively recent people. I presume prestige, as well admitting error, and no doubt wealth and finance play a large role, but I can't help but feel all of those would be enhanced if academia and the other authorities involved actually cared to really study and publicly reveal the truth to all. I also suspect, as I've read in another message, that organised religion likely has a hand in this. Hopefully one day, humanity will actually mature to the point that its governing bodies care to take this seriously and study the complete picture of the history of our species.
I spent over 40 years making a living as a stone Mason and I have made just about anything you can think of out of stone. I can tell you that its impossible to make such vases by hand. The degree of precision is too great. And the stone is unbelievably hard too work without diamond encrusted tools. I could go on and on about what make these vases and bowls a creation of primitive peoples impossible.
@@Joe-nq6hy I don't have 40 years experience as a stone mason, but I have worked in a granite shop for a while, so I've got a little experience in this area and have had an insiders glimpse inside the industry. With that being said, I'll do my best to answer your questions. 1. how would you (personally, unlimited budget) make a stone bowl like those with the handles, all out of one piece? Well, first I would seek out some sort of stone softening technology; and if it doesn't exist, I'd need to invent it, because that's the only way I can possibly think of to be able to accomplish this goal. You truly do not understand how stupendously, amazingly difficult to work this substance is. Even with diamond-tungsten-carbide tipped/encrusted hardened steel tools, one would not be able to create one of these vases/bowls today. Not even with hydraulic and electric power tools can I conceive of a way to replicate these ancient miracles in stone. Because not only are the materials extremely HARD, but they are also extremely BRITTLE. So some stone softening technology, imho, would have had to have been utilized first on these materials to even render them capable of being tooled. And as far as I know, such technology does not even exist to this day. 2 What do you speculate is the use of all these bowls/jars without lids? That's all subjective and speculative. Any attempt to guess at what ancient people's would have used them for (an ancient people whose technological capabilities apparently exceeded ours in being able to produce such artifacts) would merely be imparting our own limited understanding and experience on a completely different civilization who might as well be alien to us. Deep antiquity is an entirely alien world, one in which I doubt we will ever be fully capable of understanding.
1. My heart sank in my chest when you mentioned what happened to the alabaster artifacts that were destroyed. 2. The fine stone jars are, to me, the best example of ancient advanced technology. Size isn't what's impressive, it's capability lol
Man, your channel is amazing. I always thought there is something sketchy about what we know about ancient egypt and every other ancient civilisation, but to see directly such proof that makes so much sense about the topic is mind boggling. thank you for your work, I appreciate the hell out of it.
Please make a video about the 12'000yr old Toshke burial site with the stone vases found. Such percision with such hard materials at that time would freak me tf out! I hope we learn more about our past in coming years. Thank you very much for your contribution. Really fascinating stuff.
@@UnchartedX However the Egyptologists did 'explain' the pottery. They found 1 image of a primitive tool to make pottery... so a study was conducted and I read it. Sounds pretty convincing at first because he shows photo's of each stage.... from Egyptian Alabaster (but of course!!!) which they know is one of the softest pottery rocks they made so easy to explain as coper slices through it like a knife going through butter. And naturally they now claim that all stone pottery was made this way..... including the granite and diorite ones which makes utterly no sense at all, as with copper you probably couldn't even scratch on the surface.
You are spot on, the ancient egyptians literally stumbled upon the remnants of an advanced civilization which was wiped out and inherited their technologically advanced structures but were never able to fathom who or how these earlier people existed.
I agree with you. This explanation makes sense. In other words the dynastic Egyptians basically appropriated the Atlantean culture. And to think those precision statues of "Rameses 2" are really statues of some powerful Atlantean !!!! - JUST MY OPINION
The problem with this idea is that we find no traces of the advanced substrate civilization. Our current civilization is going to leave a _lot_ of traces geologically.
i never abandoned it, but yeah I know I've done a few podcasty things lately. Don't worry, I will continue to make these, I have several more lined up. They just take time.
Ben, I can really appreciate your work and the way that you lay this evidence out. It's absolutely incredible to see these artefacts and the way you present them for people to understand. As a metalworker and machinist I can appreciate the skill and craftsmanship needed to make these jars. To me the difference between the stone jars and pottery is the difference between a machinist and a carpenter. I became a fan of yours since stumbling upon your Puma Punku dissertation and I'm hooked. Please keep documenting, keep digging, keep bringing all of these things to light because they've been cast in the dark for too long!
The precision on the jars is just mind-blowing. And it's not like we only found one. We found thousands! We cannot do the "miniature, model like" versions let alone the "giant statues" versions. If only mainstream archeology would look at this evidence
@@chrisjones8968 not remotely the same thing. Typical ignorance of the details, precision, and geometry involved. just carve some stone and declare victory!
Often, the delicate microscopic are exponentially more difficult than the macroscopic. Tiny, thin jars and vases may be more difficult than the amazing large boxes made of the same material.
@@leonthewise5807 that type of disrespect to someone like Chris Dunn gets you on the ban list here quickly. Lets see how many more of your inane comments i see as i scroll down.
Wow, clearly I missed a thoroughly embarrassing comment from Mr Wise. Chris Dunn is fabulous, anyone who takes the time to research his theories comes to this same conclusion. Ben- I was highly impressed by your presentation on the Snake Brothers podcast with RC. Was great to see those guys eating out of your hand 👍👍👏👌
The question I have is, were the builders aware of giant cataclysmic events and built these monuments to one withstand floods and two to help re-education of future civilisations.
Hi Ben, Over the past couple of days I've watched several of your videos and find them very interesting. Your explanations of just how implausible some of the orthodox narratives are really leave me scratching my head. In the videos I've watched so far I haven't seen and reference to what the implications of your assertions might be. The fact that the suggested "advanced technologies" were in use in many different locations across the planet raises other questions in my mind. Firstly, the old "where are the tools?" question. If the ancient devices were manipulating and re-shaping some of the hardest materials on Earth then, as you say frequently, those tools need to be made of materials harder than the minerals they are working on. And yet none of those tools seem to have been capable to surviving the cataclysms that wiped out the original precursor civilisations. The fragile stone vases survived floods and meteor impacts but the heavy duty lathes and cutting machines didn't...and didn't survive anywhere, in any of the various locations across the globe. Secondly, doesn't high precision usually go hand-in-hand with orderliness and tidiness, consider the care and attention that goes into the organisation of modern engineering plants, so why are the quarries in Egypt such chaotic, disorganised places? Third, has anyone ever done a "time and motion" study of exactly how many man-hours (man-years?) it would take to create the half-finished obelisk using the established "pounding stone/copper chisel" method? You quote a range of "volume of granite removed per hour" (half a golf ball-worth per hour) so it should be possible to calculate how much material has been, and would still need to be, removed from the quarry floor to free the obelisk from the the bedrock and relate that to any feasible "cubic centimetre per hour" removal rate to arrive at a figure. Fourthly, what was the population of Egypt at the time that all this was supposed to have been happening, and. using the "man-hours per obelisk" figure arrived at, how many SEMs ("Standard Egyptian Men") would have had to dedicate their lives to pounding stone for years on end to produce not just one obelisk, but many obelisks, and tens of thousands (millions?) of pyramid blocks, and columns, statues, pedestals, and lintels, and paving stones and don't forget "Most Precise" boxes - and all this being done simultaneously across the country... Fifthly (that seems an awkward word), where are the other aspects of advanced civilisations that we would expect to see evidence of - plumbing, the wheel, windmills, water-wheels, metal (other than brass and copper) artefacts, glass - all things that we might consider to be items that came into existence before powered-lathes and elaborate stone cutting equipment were considered essential. Why are there no other precursor technologies evident in the depths of these pyramids alongside the thousands of hard rock vases? Why now base metal cooking utensils? Why no iron (not even steel) swords, forks, spades, nails, hammer heads, lead water pipes,...? All robbed out by later generations? Every last piece? Everywhere? The vases themselves are the true mystery. I cannot envisage how they were made to such fine tolerances and with such symmetry by just the application of the "pounding/rubbing" technique that is the fallback technology of the establishment. I try to imagine what the wider world must have been like at the height of the "Precursor Civilisation" era and wonder why so much of it and its highly advanced technologies, would seem to have utterly disappeared over the intervening centuries? Why it was so ephemeral to have been utterly eradicated from history - apart from the suggestion of its legacy carved into the architecture in Egypt, South America and the other isolated places across the world.
The Great and Almighty RUclips algorithm for once did me a favor! Instead of showing me the same old, same old, I found your channel. This episode has re-kindled all my obsessive interest in this stuff from a decade ago. Thanks! Imma dive back in. Just too fascinating and too important! Your presentation was exceptional.
Hey Ben, another great presentation. Thank you. Being a bit of a "wordsmith", myself I really appreciated, "The reality is, there are vast and frankly, uncrossable leagues of difference". Well, brother, that pretty much covers everything about academia's take on history and the truth, I hope wholeheartedly, we'll one day fully understand. Another little thing that baffles me is the apparently lathe turned jars with handles that would have made lathe work extremely challenging. Edit: Totally agree with your conclusion that we are looking back at several civilisations that have become intermingled. I like to say that time past is like altitude, the higher you go or the further back you look the more everything looks flat. Go high enough and a sky scraper resembles a house. Look back far enough and all previous iterations of civilisation begin to merge. Only through admitting there are layers can we ever hope to see them. Cheers.
@@anzacman5 Unless the handles are epoxied on. Perhaps they are and it is so perfectly done we have yet to notice. The alternatives of lathe or mould are all mind bending, though.
Prior to finding this vid, I have never heard of ANY of these amazing structures and artifacts. You are right about the academic community being completely inadequate to the task. Pisses me off that they keep millions in grants to study these marvels, yet I have to find then watch a documentary made by an outsider to the find out all these things about the step pyramid. Appreciate your thorough work.
The "Grants that get funded" is the noose around the neck of scientists. They all know that there is a stigma against shaking things up, so all they CAN produce is more of the same dross. They started of like us, but found like us, the suit and tie and conformative behavior was a requirement in keeping a paying job. New science occurs by looking at the things that don't fit. Upsetting the order doesn't pay bills however unless you make a career of upsetting the order and find alternative sources of incomes.
Ben, I've watched this video many times and everytime I am blown away at how right you are! It's so obvious that something was going on , that we have no clue. I love your videos and that's why I'm a patron. I will definitely being to Egypt next time with you because there is so much I want to for myself at the incredible things they did. Can you imagine if they had our tools what they could do! If they had cranes, the statues would be the size of sky scapers! Their monuments would be epic in size and perfection more than they already are!
Ben you are getting better and better. This was really interesting. I never heard about the inside of the step pyramid. Also your in depth discussion of the stone jars was more than I have heard before. Keep up the great work. Thank you for your research and videos.
The amazing context to the writing on the jars, is that you will also find OUR writing on the jars as well. This is basically the same thing they could have done thousands of years ago, and in my opinion underlines the theory that they are inherited.
@UnchartedX Ben, your scripts & delivery & sound quality are simply excellent - likewise the timing of the stills or clips - the cloister could not quarrel with your (occasional) suppositions. But you also have a personal, slightly confidential tone. Taken together, that's fantastic.
Superbly and succinctly crafted, confirming for me what I have pondered over since first studying the pyramids as a teenager. The human race goes back much further than is currently thought and who is to say that what happened to wipe out an older civilization couldn't have happened several times before. The rise and fall of civilizations might be simply dependent on the forces of the cosmos.
Antiquity Reborn is a nice resource using a combination of mathematics and geological data to calculate the age of megalithic structures, which is not easy to date as Ben mentioned. Structures have the benefit of being difficult to move, so analyzing their foundation in relation to historical true north makes for very interesting insights 💖🙏
Ben, this is just TOP-NOTCH! Great video content, well written and narrated. Just massively enjoyable! I've wanted more on these vases and bowls for a long time and you delivered such a quality production. Thank you! 🔥❤🔥
the skill and precision on these stones is mind boggling. Their understanding and use of stone is like how we modern people use plastics and composites. We can literally make any shape or size with these materials but these ancients did it with stone! I hope we find the true method of how these peoples made these items.
The method is pretty much "written in stone". The linear tool incisions indicate a diamond tipped electric lathe was used most probably. The giant flawless statues were probably made with huge 3D rotating CNC machines. The ancient giants had UFO-like flying machines and wireless electricity, im sure they could make some 3D milling machines. :) Maybe those small stone jars were made by the inheritors with tools they found deep within the ancient subterranean cities. When the tools finally broke down they just stopped making them because they did not know how to repair them or make new ones. That is what i think happened.
@@mancamiatipoola I don't think computer control is necessary. Just look at the art of woodturning. You can do this by hand. But you'd definitely need diamond tools. And you'd need some machine that allows a very fast rotation of the stone. I don't know if any woodturner ever tried to reproduce this, but it would be an insightful experiment. You don't necessarily need motors either. In Afghanistan, only a few decades ago, I know that they still used the power of their legs to rotate their raw clay vases. But it would still have to be a machine that accelerates the stone faster than this. I can only guess how fast it would have to rotate but it becomes imprecise if it's not as fast as in woodturning.
@@mancamiatipoola But I also think that these Egyptians might have inherited it from the Atlantian civilization. Or they had iron tools and we haven't found a single one, which is unlikely, though possible due to the high demand at the time.
@@matfax My frend, i know you are trying to reconcile their tech with the narrative you have been given by the control mechanism, but we are both here on Uncharted X and, if you have seen most of his videos, you know that the ancient egyptians had massive rotating stone cutting disks, huge power drills and polishing tools. The evidence is right there, in the unfinished or broken pieces. I know a woodturner can produce enough spin to carve a nice cilindrical wooden tool, but we are talking about huge granite and diorite and even tougher stones here. Sure maybe they didn;t have computers like we do today, but they definitely had some type of advanced analogical electrical tech. They precision cut boxes, decoration stones, statues and columns are a testament to that. Just look at those granite pillars which are made of a single piece of granite and are perfectly cylindrical. They were surely cut on a giant lathe machine, that also had the possibility to carve intricate 3D patterns on it (the column's crown). I cannot imagine how anyone could make such flawless patterns and huge cylindrical columns with a hand operated tool. From the archaeological record we can see 2 distinct Egyptian civilizations: the ancient ones who made all these fantastic temples and flawless statues and the later broke-ass egyptians who scribbled some poor graffiti hieroglyphs onto these older statues while they were building mudbrick houses and sailing reed boats. Both of which did NOT build the pyramids, which are from a much older giant civilization from the time of the Atlantiens and Lemurians. TY for your input.
@@mancamiatipoola Regarding wood turning. You don't need speed to cut hard materials. The speed serves two goals. It's supposed to make your carving more precise and it accelerates the carving. So if you use very weak carving materials, you'd need more rotations than theoretically possible. But with a diamond tool, for example, your speed requirements go down. However, it doesn't explain all of it. I only provided one explanation, not a complete theory. Too many findings can't be explained this way. Turning only works with round objects, for instance. But I think it's the most likely case that they used some kind of turning and not a 3d printer or something alike. Personally, I like the theory that they used some chemical or acid that is able to dissolve any stone. This would explain the perfect shiny surfaces and how even weaker tools could quickly drill holes, carve stone, etc. The acidic compound could also be used to create artificial stone from whatever base they use. To they could produce statues and block stones just as we produce them today with concrete. Too many properties remind me of concrete. Not these vases though. This has to be turning, imho.
G'day Ben, just wanted to say that I really like your stuff and how great it is to hear an Aussie talking with such intelligence and conviction, nice work mate!
Great job Ben as always. One thing that I don’t think people appreciate is even todays common lathe would not create perfectly round pots and jars that have handles on them simply because the handles would get in the way of the rotational cutting. Has anyone else considered that or commented on that?
Yeah this geometry problem has always bothered me, the 1st thought is the cut outs were removed after the bowl shaping was done, but how to make them symmetrical?... This leads to thinking some sort of dentist drill that is jigged on a precision arm that can repeat a profile.... That leads to small diamond cutting heads at significant rpms... And then my head starts hurting again...a fascinating subject for those who are afflicted with the engineering curse.
You could do it with a 5 dimension CNC Mill. At least as far as the geometry is concerned. Whether we have tooling capable of precision cutting the objects, is another matter altogether.
Near the end of this video ( one of my favorites) you say that perhaps the jars aren’t as interesting as larger machined objects such as statues, etc. I disagree. The perfection and symmetry and finish of the stone jars is AMAZING and I can never get enough of looking at them. Thank you for making this wonderful and thought provoking video! Keep up the great work, Ben!
Plus the fact that there are so many, it seems like there had to be a 'factory' with some kinda 'machinery' cranking out these things..? ..centuries later and anyone can still make a crummy clay pot.., but to make a stone pot like these we would need purpose built machinery and people with great skills. I hope one day they figure it out.
Really really enjoying your series. Thank you for being factual (as much as can be) and not silly about ancient aliens and the like. Not to say I don't also love that stuff and hope that it comes to fruition, but the actual human historical coincidences and timelines you describe are so plausible and possible that I feel like I have been offered realistic options.
Absolutely gobsmacked. Without any record or illustration found that demonstrates how these exquisite vases were made, and in the absence of tooling remnants especially ; we must assume the ancient Egyptians didn't in fact make them, but were simply curators and custodians.
This was definitely a detailed video that no matter what level you have understanding Engineering Design Products you can see that there is something wrong with the information we're given...
Excellent work Ben. Some of these precise, delicate pieces are more remarkable and difficult to make than the large artifacts. I've done controls design and programming for modern machine tools that make precision objects out of metal or wood. I think modern technology would be hard pressed to duplicate some of these artifacts, if it could be done at all. Can't help but wonder what volume of wooden objects might have been made by these craftsmen that have long since turned to dust!
Absorbing content as usual Ben, Thank you. We really acknowleďge and appreciate all the hard work you put in to making this all possible. Stay safe....
This is excellent. I was so intrigued when I first saw JA West talk about these jars and vessels and exactly how out of place they were. A video that really is a necessary in-depth look at anomalous artifacts. Thank you. I have no idea whether they are an inheritance from an earlier advanced culture or proof that the ancient Egyptians had access to technology that orthodox archaeology can't and won't acknowledge, but they are definitely proof that history and pre-history are much more complex than we've been led to believe.
Thank You for doing these vids and pointing out the discontinuity of our actual history, that it Does go back much further than the traditionally invested scientists will presently admit to
Thoroughly enjoyed this, I would love to see these jars in person. Amazing! Actually I find them more spectacular than the larger engineered artifacts because of the greater degree of difficulty entailed in achieving such delicate work.
"Renovation" in Egypt = Get in there, remove all the good shit and hide it all from the public. Then toss a mummy down the hole, and everyone will believe its a tomb! Absolutely love your work, Ben. It is greatly appreciated!
So many incredible things are hidden from the masses. I'm sure egyptologists have hidden away the good stuff that might give us clues on how they made these things. And can you imagine the amount of knowledge locked away under the vatican?
@@clownindan imagine how much more was lost during the fire at the Library of Alexandria and how much is "stored" at places like the smithsonian as well 😞
@@SideshowDC the library burning is a true tragedy to humanity and probably set us back 500 to 1000 years. I wonder if the knowledge of building megalithic structures was kept there as that technology was lost at some point. Just in south america the newer repairs always look so shoddy compared to the original stones that were placed. It's as if their skill and technology degraded over the years instead of getting better. That seems to be a theme everywhere.
@@clownindan completely agree, don't forget the mass destruction and eradication of people and knowledge caused by the conquistadors too. We are a destructive war like species, or at least those who are "in charge" are.
It truly is baffling the things they were able to create out of stone. The precision and degree of difficulty is what boggles my mind. When you have granite boxes that are within a thousandth of an inch from being square it blows holes in the copper hand tools theory. I can create things within that tolerance but it's with the help of computers lasers and ultrasonic cutting tools on a cnc machine.
Yep totally bud, In fact I’d be amazed if anybody could replicate the most difficult looking ones out of wood on a lathe, maybe if you did it in 2 separate pieces and glued them together. if they did it out of wood with a steel chisel I’d be gob smacked. Out of some of the hardest stone in the world with copper chisels and not really knowing about the wheel............. no, absolutely noway.
Excellent video Ben! Yes, I totally agree that it is inheritance but what shocked me is the quartz removed from the step pyramid and bulldozed?? How does that happen?
So important to understand your revelations .You`re helping us to realise who we are and from whom we are. Is it likely that those directing our "new future " already know.....?
As someone who is loosely familiar with modern day machining equipment I could imagine some of these being man powered machines. But somehow they would need to make the drill bits out of super hard stones (most likely diamonds?). Also my guess is that you would have surviving murals existing of these machines because they would have been pretty important. My point is I could *imagine* man powered precision machining... But the steps to get there from an ancient perspective just indicate we are missing 90% of the picture imo.
You don't need super hard cutting materials for drilling. (not solid, anyway) For turning, I agree solid diamond or another hard natural material is likely, propably attached to a wooden tool stem. Abrasive dust from any hard material embedded in the surface of something softer- hollow bones, plant stems, ... works fine to drill almost anything, if you have the dedication and time. We still do this, when lapping things to incredible surface precision. My favourite example are the ceramic valve plates used in modern single- lever mixing water taps.
Ben, a naive question; has anyone looked at these objects through a microscope to compare their smoothness with modern manufactured vessels? You've made compelling arguments about the precision applied to the Serapeum boxes. But if you could show that, on the micro or nano scale, there's more precision in these objects than in those polished using modern industrial techniques, that would be quite a coup! There are also objects in this video - the one that looks like an ashtray, for example, and the schist disk, obviously, and even some that appear to have rotational symmetry except for cylinders on two sides - that could not be made on a lathe. If you could compare their micro-features with those produces with a modern CNC machine ... you might have something again ...
Look into Chris Dunn, a manufacturing engineer, who goes over the toolpaths and tolerances the machines required would have. Pretty complicated lathe work and tool holding required.
Oh my god. That part about the tons of machined alabaster being discarded in a ditch just ripped the soul out of me. I don't know what that's all about, but you can bet I'll look it up when I think I can stomach the answers.
@@ksp-crafter5907 At 44:00 Ben says that during the 15 year renovation that 50 to 80 TONS of machined alabaster was brought up from somewhere beneath the Step Pyramid. They piled it up, and then bulldozed into rubble and buried it. They walk around back, and sure enough, they find pieces of finely machined alabaster littering the surface, presumably with the bulk of it crushed and buried. They say there are miles of tunnels and chambers beneath the pyramid with places no one has seen or documented. I've never heard of an alabaster room beneath the Step Pyramid, so, apparently, something we haven't seen has been removed, for whatever reason, and discarded.
@@ksp-crafter5907 some of it is, yes. Not all the alabaster work was dynastic, it was (in my opinion, anyway) also a material used by the precursor civilization. It comes down to the individual pieces.
I’d like to complement you on your quality and your intellectual out-of-the-box thinking which is what good science is always rooted in... A lot of guys who got their PhD don’t want to have a new narrative introduced... I think you’re coming pretty close to the real answers to most of these questions as a engineer I admire your thought process and respect the way you attack the problem and reverse engineer potential solutions, great job on this video. I’ll give you the highest possible mark!
I've watched this video about four times (and many others of yours) and the main question I have is how did whoever made these jars make them perfectly round (As if made on lathe) with the handles as part of the jars?
Agreed. In another conversation somewhere, somebody threw at me that those boxes were simple enough that they polished everything by hand with emery they got from Crete. I don't even have a reply... for real. The mind boggles.
@@Robinhood1966 Not impossible. It certainly would explain how they polished straight across several materials with varying hardness. Some interesting polished surfaces in ancient India bear the same astonishing mirror finish and flatness..
Mille grazie 💖 the bowl fragment at 52:03 has the aspect of an exact replica of a finely woven basket, even more difficult to make than turning a round object on a lathe. Very fascinating !!
In the cabinet at 28:08 is a dish with squared/linear edges…not lathe turned. Walls appear to be tapered and not as thin but still polished beautifully. One we get the bowls and jars figured out, the construction method for that one will be next. 😊. Awesome video! I can’t help but think that the reason they were all stashed deep in the catacombs is because the ancient Egyptians couldn’t fathom how they were made either. Perhaps they discovered the abandoned workshop and needed to hide the evidence of all the finished as well as broken pieces so they had all the remnants moved deep underground to be kept hidden from the population so as to not raise concern about “Gods” potentially returning to collect their “stuff”. Our current (and recent past) gevernments are not the first to keep secrets from the general public.
LOL... My sister was really disappointed when she visited the Pyramids of Giza... One, she had to walk stooped over all the way to the center of the pyramid; and Two, "The pharaohs tomb-- that had no tomb, no gold, gems or treasures, and no hieroglyphics on the walls, or even a sargophagus!!" ... LOL I have been sharing with her what I've learned from you, too.
Do we have any reasonably solidified idea of when this advanced civilisation was active? Are we talking 15-20k years ago? 20-40k, 100k or what? Had to have been pre-YD but imagine it must be very difficult to date.
It _is_ possible to date stone that has been quarried from a certain depth and then have been at the surface of something, exposed to radiation from space, since that affects the stone in certain ways. But I think it's extremely expensive. I suppose it could be used on the casing stones of the pyramids to get a rough estimate of when they were quarried at least.
pre-YD and then another partial recovery up until around 6000BCE when another discontinuity happened. In a biblical narrative the latter corresponds to the tower of Babel, the former to Noah's flood. And there were others before that but scant evidence remains
The Tri-lobed disk is so impossibly fascinating in its existence and it’s hints towards functionality. I made several in 3D print and experimented with it and it is baffling. It seems to have no fluid dynamic push or pull properties, is way too brittle to have rope making/braiding capabilities, and just seems so impractical. I can’t except a decorative vase as it’s explanation. Seeing it in person, it’s larger than expected. Just crazy. Wish I had a window into the past.
I work as an engineer to maintain thermoacoustic refrigeration engines for the industry where waste heat is taken to cool other components. Last year a friend of mine showed me schematics of the Great Pyramid as he is very into the old Egyptians. I immediately found similarities for components we use for the thermoacoustic heat exchanger. It's weird but the Egyptians must have had very deep knowledge of acoustics and thermodynamics. I have seen photos of the tri-lobed disc. The material used and the shape could lead to that this disc maybe was used as a sound generating or sound receiving device similar to our modern sound drivers for speakers. Shist has acoustic properties like for example sheet metal. So if your 3D print is made out of platics it won't work but a disc made out of metal should work generating and receiving sound waves when it's vibrating. It's the same principle tuning forks are working.
As long as it's only round objects, that are made that thin, I'm not impressed (OC I am, but what I mean is, that they are obviously "just" made by spinning them and removing material slooooooowly - is my best explaination/guess)
@@WhereIsTheSpartan I'm not saying, that they didn't - but I had the, by far, fastest 50cc moped in the area, when I was a kid. And I barely knew anything about motors - I just kept on changing things, and went back the things, that worked best.. Maybe they understood less, but recalled what worked.. Like what genes do - what works best get reproduced and survives more.
Yes the "Schist Disk" is fascinating and I can't imagine any practical use for it other than being mounted on a pole and used as an Umbrella stand. Other than that I've got nothing.
That strange disc-shaped object with the curled up sides has me fascinated as a piece of technology. The closest thing today I have seen is a separator or skimmer for different liquids, like oil and water.
Oh, yes. It must be part of a machine, but it had been made of schist, which is not suitable for force work because it tends to break easily, or so I read. I think that it must be a mimic piece, the original being very hard. In other words, it might be just an ornament, a gift, something like that.
I'm an engineer and I work with acoustic devises for the industry. I'm pretty sure it's an acoustic device and working like a tuning fork. Fluid dynamics and acoustics are pretty similar when it comes to pressure waves in a medium. Maybe that's why it looks like it could have been used for fluids.
@@WhereIsTheSpartan@ Leonidas the Spartan I'm an engineer too (mechanical), and I think you are correct. It doesn't actually look like an oil/water separator.From a mechanical standpoint, I was throwing my hands up, because I really didn't know what it was,
@@WhereIsTheSpartan I like your ideas re the ‘Schist Disk’ having something to do with acoustics. It is clearly not some kind of decorative piece and not only because of it’s eye watering complexity, it’s just obvious (to me anyway) that it is made for a purpose, a tool or part of a tool. A very small piece of a very large puzzle indeed, but I’ve at least once heard put forth the idea that acoustic levitation may have something to do with the way the pyramids were built. Quite frankly, on the “preposterosity scale” I would rate acoustic levitation as a method considerably lower than “some guys with a rope” on how this was done, imo of course. What was that old saying about can’t distinguish adv technology from magic or something? I think this thing qualifies!
@@hardway_6823 I agree that this is not a piece of decoration. People also are thinking that acoustics has something to do with music or you would need some kind of speakers which is not true. Acoustics has something to do with pressure waves of air and has also similarities to aerodynamics. You can see that the three lobes are shaped like a parabola. That means that an airflow in the center line of one lobe is the fastest which will create a vacuum converging at the center hole. This will increase the airflow in the center hole. I'm quite certain we can see the backside of a part which was designed to make use of changing air pressure in a specific way. It's a very clever design and you will need mathematical descriptions of aerodynamics and acoustic waves.
Ben, your videos are more insightful than all the documentaries on Netflix.
Dont forget to include pretty much every history textbooks read on school.
@Cro Magnon Preciselly.. Netflix is hardly a legit source or any kind
@Cro Magnon wow. Can't believe that isn't discussed more often. Never knew that til now.
Netflix is part of the mainstream
@Jo An, 100% agreed!
It’s astounding to me the quality of the information in your videos and the fact that your videos are free compared to the people who create Netflix documentaries being paid millions to make less informative productions. You are definitely under valuing the quality of your research and presentation. THANK YOU for sharing it for free!
He's a regular Nikola Tesla World's greatest achiever for the Masses!
I love people's thinking on here 🙏
Couldn’t agree more ❤️
Imagine if you were a scholar and realizing that the accepted "truths" of the past are actually seeming to be incorrect. You would also want the world to know it might be wrong rather than being misled by false truths.
they don't get paid millions - u are misinformed -
Another epic takedown of the orthodox view of prehistory. Great to see Chris & Yousef on there too. Appreciate your detailed analysis.
Thanks Hugh!
@@UnchartedX h kk n
I think you guys are using the word "orthodox" wrong.
@@ItsMrAssholeToYou well, in this case the so called "orthodox view" is also misunderstood, but hey, who cares as long as its entertainment, right.
Do you think these artefacts were made by Giants ?
15:10 - that cylindrical 'bowl' was in the British Museum of Natural history in London - people walked past it like it was nothing, but being a machinist, one could easily see the level of precision was NUTS.
Yeah.. The precision it was made with is something that I can't imagine, I so want to know how they did that.
Yes, that is the issue non mechanically minded people just walk right past this stuff. That is why our history can be easily manipulated by these so called "experts"... How about consult the real experts who can explain using scientific process. Yet, they don't want that to happen, because our understanding will cease to give us a legitimate answer and will thus collapse the History Channel...
I own a small cnc company in the UK… we don’t even own the tooling to make such a bowl… staggering.
Almost seems like it was done with a laser.
@@paulmendolia8483 yes, subtractive material removal plus sand blast?
As a young electronics engineer I worked in Egypt for a few months in the late 1970's early 1980's. I'm not in the field of archeology or ancient history but because of my situation was fortunate to visit a lot of sites where tourists and guided visitors don't get to go.
Even then I could see evidence of engineering in artefacts and constructions that could not be explained by the contemporary narrative of the time. I expected in future years that science would start to investigate the amazing technology which is in obvious evidence everywhere in the ancient ruins.
But, no. The same old years old narrative is still shoved down the throats of the public arena.
Ancients with hand tools created obviously high technological monuments and implements.
To quote an old Australian Physics lecturer : "Why is that so?"
The truth must be too dangerous for the general public to handle
is it :- "You can't handle the Truth!!!" (as the meme goes.)
My guess is that the truth would have some impact on the status quo of religion.
Less ivanerrol, after spending a few hours turning this vase, I went and gathered my hunting stones and sling to hunt the food for my family. LOL 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
What stuns me about this apparent attempt to cover-up/hide/misrepresent this older civilisation is that, for me at least, it's far more interesting than the false narrative of these artifacts all being just a few thousand years old, and made by relatively recent people. I presume prestige, as well admitting error, and no doubt wealth and finance play a large role, but I can't help but feel all of those would be enhanced if academia and the other authorities involved actually cared to really study and publicly reveal the truth to all. I also suspect, as I've read in another message, that organised religion likely has a hand in this. Hopefully one day, humanity will actually mature to the point that its governing bodies care to take this seriously and study the complete picture of the history of our species.
I'd guess Egyptians prefer their culture to be the height of advancement in ancient history. Pushing that timeline back to someone else isn't ideal.
Maybe the truth would free us
I spent over 40 years making a living as a stone Mason and I have made just about anything you can think of out of stone. I can tell you that its impossible to make such vases by hand. The degree of precision is too great. And the stone is unbelievably hard too work without diamond encrusted tools. I could go on and on about what make these vases and bowls a creation of primitive peoples impossible.
pls answer joe
To people like us, the weren't primitive.
@@Joe-nq6hy I don't have 40 years experience as a stone mason, but I have worked in a granite shop for a while, so I've got a little experience in this area and have had an insiders glimpse inside the industry.
With that being said, I'll do my best to answer your questions.
1. how would you (personally, unlimited budget) make a stone bowl like those with the handles, all out of one piece?
Well, first I would seek out some sort of stone softening technology; and if it doesn't exist, I'd need to invent it, because that's the only way I can possibly think of to be able to accomplish this goal. You truly do not understand how stupendously, amazingly difficult to work this substance is. Even with diamond-tungsten-carbide tipped/encrusted hardened steel tools, one would not be able to create one of these vases/bowls today. Not even with hydraulic and electric power tools can I conceive of a way to replicate these ancient miracles in stone. Because not only are the materials extremely HARD, but they are also extremely BRITTLE. So some stone softening technology, imho, would have had to have been utilized first on these materials to even render them capable of being tooled. And as far as I know, such technology does not even exist to this day.
2 What do you speculate is the use of all these bowls/jars without lids?
That's all subjective and speculative. Any attempt to guess at what ancient people's would have used them for (an ancient people whose technological capabilities apparently exceeded ours in being able to produce such artifacts) would merely be imparting our own limited understanding and experience on a completely different civilization who might as well be alien to us. Deep antiquity is an entirely alien world, one in which I doubt we will ever be fully capable of understanding.
Yet, it was done. You are an expert. How was the impossible accomplished?
@@basedredpilled1809 you work with granite and believe there must be a way to soften stone.
1. My heart sank in my chest when you mentioned what happened to the alabaster artifacts that were destroyed.
2. The fine stone jars are, to me, the best example of ancient advanced technology. Size isn't what's impressive, it's capability lol
The best RUclips channel in the world......I've been waiting for this video so bad , these bowls have had my head wrecked for years
Same with me after seeing many of these in the fab museum oh Heraklion (Crete)
they are incredible. thousands of them !
Man, your channel is amazing. I always thought there is something sketchy about what we know about ancient egypt and every other ancient civilisation, but to see directly such proof that makes so much sense about the topic is mind boggling. thank you for your work, I appreciate the hell out of it.
Cheers Radu!
Please make a video about the 12'000yr old Toshke burial site with the stone vases found. Such percision with such hard materials at that time would freak me tf out! I hope we learn more about our past in coming years. Thank you very much for your contribution. Really fascinating stuff.
I was just about to ask for the same info... I've searched online and can't find much about this but would love to know more.
yeah I am trying to look into this thread and coming up empty. By design i'm sure
more info about Toshke would be great indeed !
Great job Ben. See you in Peru in August.
Say hello to Paddington for me, there's a good chap.
Any chance to join you guys?
@@marcoevers9681 check out the tour page at hiddenincatours.com , there may be spots available. I know a couple of people had to pull out recently.
@@UnchartedX However the Egyptologists did 'explain' the pottery. They found 1 image of a primitive tool to make pottery... so a study was conducted and I read it. Sounds pretty convincing at first because he shows photo's of each stage.... from Egyptian Alabaster (but of course!!!) which they know is one of the softest pottery rocks they made so easy to explain as coper slices through it like a knife going through butter. And naturally they now claim that all stone pottery was made this way..... including the granite and diorite ones which makes utterly no sense at all, as with copper you probably couldn't even scratch on the surface.
Thanks for the information Ben. I'll look into it and maybe I'll join you. Would be like a dream come true!
You are spot on, the ancient egyptians literally stumbled upon the remnants of an advanced civilization which was wiped out and inherited their technologically advanced structures but were never able to fathom who or how these earlier people existed.
I agree with you.
This explanation makes sense.
In other words the dynastic Egyptians basically appropriated the Atlantean culture.
And to think those precision statues of "Rameses 2" are really statues of some powerful Atlantean !!!!
- JUST MY OPINION
The problem with this idea is that we find no traces of the advanced substrate civilization. Our current civilization is going to leave a _lot_ of traces geologically.
THANK YOU so much for going back to your original format. You've found exactly what you should be doing in life, please never stop!
i never abandoned it, but yeah I know I've done a few podcasty things lately. Don't worry, I will continue to make these, I have several more lined up. They just take time.
Ben, I can really appreciate your work and the way that you lay this evidence out. It's absolutely incredible to see these artefacts and the way you present them for people to understand. As a metalworker and machinist I can appreciate the skill and craftsmanship needed to make these jars. To me the difference between the stone jars and pottery is the difference between a machinist and a carpenter. I became a fan of yours since stumbling upon your Puma Punku dissertation and I'm hooked. Please keep documenting, keep digging, keep bringing all of these things to light because they've been cast in the dark for too long!
Your videos are some of the best I have ever seen, so informative and mind blowing. Thank you for your travels and your hard work.
52 minutes, sweet! You and Bright Insight are my two favorite RUclipsrs right now!
Brien Forester, Snake Brothers and Johanna James has also collaborated with Ben also, if you are interested in these types of videos.
I think bright insight retired
The precision on the jars is just mind-blowing. And it's not like we only found one. We found thousands! We cannot do the "miniature, model like" versions let alone the "giant statues" versions. If only mainstream archeology would look at this evidence
that isn't where the money is.
@@survivortechharold6575 it could be.
@@chrisjones8968 not remotely the same thing. Typical ignorance of the details, precision, and geometry involved. just carve some stone and declare victory!
its all to easy to them ..can be the only explanation all the proper ancient stuff ..it just looks like it was so easy for them to make
Often, the delicate microscopic are exponentially more difficult than the macroscopic. Tiny, thin jars and vases may be more difficult than the amazing large boxes made of the same material.
Yessssssss ben, your content is next level. You're like the aussie love child of randall carlson and chris dunn
@@leonthewise5807 that type of disrespect to someone like Chris Dunn gets you on the ban list here quickly. Lets see how many more of your inane comments i see as i scroll down.
@@UnchartedX self proclaimed wiseman's seldom gives Wisdom and just like to Troll by Insults to people's character.
Wow, clearly I missed a thoroughly embarrassing comment from Mr Wise. Chris Dunn is fabulous, anyone who takes the time to research his theories comes to this same conclusion.
Ben- I was highly impressed by your presentation on the Snake Brothers podcast with RC. Was great to see those guys eating out of your hand 👍👍👏👌
The question I have is, were the builders aware of giant cataclysmic events and built these monuments to one withstand floods and two to help re-education of future civilisations.
Bravo! Documented accounts of how they did it, and what tools were used including jeweled implements. Now, modern day jewelers can explain the rest.
Hi Ben,
Over the past couple of days I've watched several of your videos and find them very interesting. Your explanations of just how implausible some of the orthodox narratives are really leave me scratching my head.
In the videos I've watched so far I haven't seen and reference to what the implications of your assertions might be. The fact that the suggested "advanced technologies" were in use in many different locations across the planet raises other questions in my mind.
Firstly, the old "where are the tools?" question. If the ancient devices were manipulating and re-shaping some of the hardest materials on Earth then, as you say frequently, those tools need to be made of materials harder than the minerals they are working on. And yet none of those tools seem to have been capable to surviving the cataclysms that wiped out the original precursor civilisations. The fragile stone vases survived floods and meteor impacts but the heavy duty lathes and cutting machines didn't...and didn't survive anywhere, in any of the various locations across the globe.
Secondly, doesn't high precision usually go hand-in-hand with orderliness and tidiness, consider the care and attention that goes into the organisation of modern engineering plants, so why are the quarries in Egypt such chaotic, disorganised places?
Third, has anyone ever done a "time and motion" study of exactly how many man-hours (man-years?) it would take to create the half-finished obelisk using the established "pounding stone/copper chisel" method? You quote a range of "volume of granite removed per hour" (half a golf ball-worth per hour) so it should be possible to calculate how much material has been, and would still need to be, removed from the quarry floor to free the obelisk from the the bedrock and relate that to any feasible "cubic centimetre per hour" removal rate to arrive at a figure.
Fourthly, what was the population of Egypt at the time that all this was supposed to have been happening, and. using the "man-hours per obelisk" figure arrived at, how many SEMs ("Standard Egyptian Men") would have had to dedicate their lives to pounding stone for years on end to produce not just one obelisk, but many obelisks, and tens of thousands (millions?) of pyramid blocks, and columns, statues, pedestals, and lintels, and paving stones and don't forget "Most Precise" boxes - and all this being done simultaneously across the country...
Fifthly (that seems an awkward word), where are the other aspects of advanced civilisations that we would expect to see evidence of - plumbing, the wheel, windmills, water-wheels, metal (other than brass and copper) artefacts, glass - all things that we might consider to be items that came into existence before powered-lathes and elaborate stone cutting equipment were considered essential. Why are there no other precursor technologies evident in the depths of these pyramids alongside the thousands of hard rock vases? Why now base metal cooking utensils? Why no iron (not even steel) swords, forks, spades, nails, hammer heads, lead water pipes,...? All robbed out by later generations? Every last piece? Everywhere?
The vases themselves are the true mystery. I cannot envisage how they were made to such fine tolerances and with such symmetry by just the application of the "pounding/rubbing" technique that is the fallback technology of the establishment.
I try to imagine what the wider world must have been like at the height of the "Precursor Civilisation" era and wonder why so much of it and its highly advanced technologies, would seem to have utterly disappeared over the intervening centuries? Why it was so ephemeral to have been utterly eradicated from history - apart from the suggestion of its legacy carved into the architecture in Egypt, South America and the other isolated places across the world.
This is the best channel on RUclips.
And I was just about to go to sleep and this video was published.
Guess I'll be sleeping about an hour less tonight.
I had to as well, lol...
Thanks Ben! Your focus on engineering details is essential. Stone jar info and diagrams are eye-opening!
so happy I found
your channel, best on the interweb.
The Great and Almighty RUclips algorithm for once did me a favor! Instead of showing me the same old, same old, I found your channel. This episode has re-kindled all my obsessive interest in this stuff from a decade ago. Thanks! Imma dive back in. Just too fascinating and too important! Your presentation was exceptional.
these blew my mind when i first learned of these. the extra small ones, chrystaline, the interior, wtf? how did they do it?
Hey Ben, another great presentation. Thank you.
Being a bit of a "wordsmith", myself I really appreciated, "The reality is, there are vast and frankly, uncrossable leagues of difference". Well, brother, that pretty much covers everything about academia's take on history and the truth, I hope wholeheartedly, we'll one day fully understand.
Another little thing that baffles me is the apparently lathe turned jars with handles that would have made lathe work extremely challenging.
Edit: Totally agree with your conclusion that we are looking back at several civilisations that have become intermingled.
I like to say that time past is like altitude, the higher you go or the further back you look the more everything looks flat. Go high enough and a sky scraper resembles a house. Look back far enough and all previous iterations of civilisation begin to merge. Only through admitting there are layers can we ever hope to see them. Cheers.
Thanks Paul!
Not just challenging. Frankly impossible.
@@anzacman5 Unless the handles are epoxied on. Perhaps they are and it is so perfectly done we have yet to notice. The alternatives of lathe or mould are all mind bending, though.
How can this evidence you present be discarded by anyone of mind. Amazing job Ben! Only problem is how fast the hour fly by! Lol
Prior to finding this vid, I have never heard of ANY of these amazing structures and artifacts. You are right about the academic community being completely inadequate to the task.
Pisses me off that they keep millions in grants to study these marvels, yet I have to find then watch a documentary made by an outsider to the find out all these things about the step pyramid.
Appreciate your thorough work.
The "Grants that get funded" is the noose around the neck of scientists. They all know that there is a stigma against shaking things up, so all they CAN produce is more of the same dross.
They started of like us, but found like us, the suit and tie and conformative behavior was a requirement in keeping a paying job.
New science occurs by looking at the things that don't fit. Upsetting the order doesn't pay bills however unless you make a career of upsetting the order and find alternative sources of incomes.
Ben,
I've watched this video many times and everytime I am blown away at how right you are! It's so obvious that something was going on , that we have no clue. I love your videos and that's why I'm a patron. I will definitely being to Egypt next time with you because there is so much I want to for myself at the incredible things they did. Can you imagine if they had our tools what they could do! If they had cranes, the statues would be the size of sky scapers! Their monuments would be epic in size and perfection more than they already are!
Ben you are getting better and better. This was really interesting. I never heard about the inside of the step pyramid. Also your in depth discussion of the stone jars was more than I have heard before. Keep up the great work. Thank you for your research and videos.
Ben your videos keep getting better. THIS is the kind of content I like.
The amazing context to the writing on the jars, is that you will also find OUR writing on the jars as well. This is basically the same thing they could have done thousands of years ago, and in my opinion underlines the theory that they are inherited.
one of the best YT channels on ancient Egypt 👏👏👏
@UnchartedX
Ben, your scripts & delivery & sound quality are simply excellent - likewise the timing of the stills or clips - the cloister could not quarrel with your (occasional) suppositions.
But you also have a personal, slightly confidential tone.
Taken together, that's fantastic.
Something finally worth watching! top bloke and thanks for sharing.
Thanks Ben. You're on fire dude. This is really really good.
I love your common sense approach. So true!
How else would you approach it
Thank you for these incredible videos and information it’s mind blowing to to see all the facts not just the ones mainstream wants us too
Superbly and succinctly crafted, confirming for me what I have pondered over since first studying the pyramids as a teenager. The human race goes back much further than is currently thought and who is to say that what happened to wipe out an older civilization couldn't have happened several times before. The rise and fall of civilizations might be simply dependent on the forces of the cosmos.
Yeah it seems like only a matter of time before a giant solar flare or meteor is bound to hit.. again.. and then again.. and then
Antiquity Reborn is a nice resource using a combination of mathematics and geological data to calculate the age of megalithic structures, which is not easy to date as Ben mentioned. Structures have the benefit of being difficult to move, so analyzing their foundation in relation to historical true north makes for very interesting insights 💖🙏
Indeed, and from Earth itself. I believe we're just about due for another mega eruption at Yellowstone. 🤔
Ben, this is just TOP-NOTCH! Great video content, well written and narrated. Just massively enjoyable! I've wanted more on these vases and bowls for a long time and you delivered such a quality production. Thank you! 🔥❤🔥
the skill and precision on these stones is mind boggling. Their understanding and use of stone is like how we modern people use plastics and composites. We can literally make any shape or size with these materials but these ancients did it with stone! I hope we find the true method of how these peoples made these items.
The method is pretty much "written in stone". The linear tool incisions indicate a diamond tipped electric lathe was used most probably. The giant flawless statues were probably made with huge 3D rotating CNC machines. The ancient giants had UFO-like flying machines and wireless electricity, im sure they could make some 3D milling machines. :)
Maybe those small stone jars were made by the inheritors with tools they found deep within the ancient subterranean cities. When the tools finally broke down they just stopped making them because they did not know how to repair them or make new ones. That is what i think happened.
@@mancamiatipoola I don't think computer control is necessary. Just look at the art of woodturning. You can do this by hand. But you'd definitely need diamond tools. And you'd need some machine that allows a very fast rotation of the stone. I don't know if any woodturner ever tried to reproduce this, but it would be an insightful experiment. You don't necessarily need motors either. In Afghanistan, only a few decades ago, I know that they still used the power of their legs to rotate their raw clay vases. But it would still have to be a machine that accelerates the stone faster than this. I can only guess how fast it would have to rotate but it becomes imprecise if it's not as fast as in woodturning.
@@mancamiatipoola But I also think that these Egyptians might have inherited it from the Atlantian civilization. Or they had iron tools and we haven't found a single one, which is unlikely, though possible due to the high demand at the time.
@@matfax My frend, i know you are trying to reconcile their tech with the narrative you have been given by the control mechanism, but we are both here on Uncharted X and, if you have seen most of his videos, you know that the ancient egyptians had massive rotating stone cutting disks, huge power drills and polishing tools. The evidence is right there, in the unfinished or broken pieces. I know a woodturner can produce enough spin to carve a nice cilindrical wooden tool, but we are talking about huge granite and diorite and even tougher stones here.
Sure maybe they didn;t have computers like we do today, but they definitely had some type of advanced analogical electrical tech. They precision cut boxes, decoration stones, statues and columns are a testament to that. Just look at those granite pillars which are made of a single piece of granite and are perfectly cylindrical. They were surely cut on a giant lathe machine, that also had the possibility to carve intricate 3D patterns on it (the column's crown). I cannot imagine how anyone could make such flawless patterns and huge cylindrical columns with a hand operated tool.
From the archaeological record we can see 2 distinct Egyptian civilizations: the ancient ones who made all these fantastic temples and flawless statues and the later broke-ass egyptians who scribbled some poor graffiti hieroglyphs onto these older statues while they were building mudbrick houses and sailing reed boats. Both of which did NOT build the pyramids, which are from a much older giant civilization from the time of the Atlantiens and Lemurians. TY for your input.
@@mancamiatipoola Regarding wood turning. You don't need speed to cut hard materials. The speed serves two goals. It's supposed to make your carving more precise and it accelerates the carving. So if you use very weak carving materials, you'd need more rotations than theoretically possible. But with a diamond tool, for example, your speed requirements go down. However, it doesn't explain all of it. I only provided one explanation, not a complete theory. Too many findings can't be explained this way. Turning only works with round objects, for instance. But I think it's the most likely case that they used some kind of turning and not a 3d printer or something alike. Personally, I like the theory that they used some chemical or acid that is able to dissolve any stone. This would explain the perfect shiny surfaces and how even weaker tools could quickly drill holes, carve stone, etc. The acidic compound could also be used to create artificial stone from whatever base they use. To they could produce statues and block stones just as we produce them today with concrete. Too many properties remind me of concrete. Not these vases though. This has to be turning, imho.
I absolutely love your videos and well thought out content! Please always continue posting, I appreciate your channel like no other
I have used lathes for years. Those jars are just stunning.
G'day Ben, just wanted to say that I really like your stuff and how great it is to hear an Aussie talking with such intelligence and conviction, nice work mate!
Excellent video
Great job Ben as always. One thing that I don’t think people appreciate is even todays common lathe would not create perfectly round pots and jars that have handles on them simply because the handles would get in the way of the rotational cutting. Has anyone else considered that or commented on that?
Kind of kills the lathe theory, doesn't it. We're they glued or fixed on subsequentially
Cont... if the handles weren't fixed on at a later point, what are we left with? An impossibility.
Yeah this geometry problem has always bothered me, the 1st thought is the cut outs were removed after the bowl shaping was done, but how to make them symmetrical?... This leads to thinking some sort of dentist drill that is jigged on a precision arm that can repeat a profile.... That leads to small diamond cutting heads at significant rpms... And then my head starts hurting again...a fascinating subject for those who are afflicted with the engineering curse.
It looks like CNC work, or 3D printed work. The ones with handles haven’t been worked on any lathe that we would be familiar with.
You could do it with a 5 dimension CNC Mill. At least as far as the geometry is concerned. Whether we have tooling capable of precision cutting the objects, is another matter altogether.
I got onto your work a few months back- once you see it, you can’t really look at other people’s content the same way again 👍🏻
Iam surprised they’ve not taken this videos down yet great information
Near the end of this video ( one of my favorites) you say that perhaps the jars aren’t as interesting as larger machined objects such as statues, etc. I disagree. The perfection and symmetry and finish of the stone jars is AMAZING and I can never get enough of looking at them. Thank you for making this wonderful and thought provoking video! Keep up the great work, Ben!
Plus the fact that there are so many, it seems like there had to be a 'factory' with some kinda 'machinery' cranking out these things..?
..centuries later and anyone can still make a crummy clay pot.., but to make a stone pot like these we would need purpose built machinery and people with great skills. I hope one day they figure it out.
thats the beautiness of its exactly. I saw them and thought, thats done by rotating machine long ago.
I’ve got notifications turned on... just saw this pop up super excited thank you 🙏 Ben!!
glad to hear the notifications worked!
@@UnchartedX I only get notifications if your videos have a " set reminder " for them otherwise I do a daily search.
Awesome job on putting this together!
Thank you for all you do; especially your attention to detail. 😀
At 43:18 , there's a square vase / jar ! ! !
I'm stumped !
👍 😲
Awesome video !
Like wise, I had to rewind and pause the video. how the hell was the inside of it made? Diamon CNC machine?
@@Timbo_tango Imagine the stuff that was destroyed because it defied logic.
Another fantastic video. Thank you, Aaron, for your consistent level of research and elevated commentary.
Really really enjoying your series. Thank you for being factual (as much as can be) and not silly about ancient aliens and the like. Not to say I don't also love that stuff and hope that it comes to fruition, but the actual human historical coincidences and timelines you describe are so plausible and possible that I feel like I have been offered realistic options.
Ben, you just made my day. An hour long!
Does anyone remember the old game "Serious Sam", I always feel like digging up and playing that game once more whenever I watch Ben's videos...
Haha yes, me too
Another great video Ben, Thank you for sharing.
Absolutely gobsmacked.
Without any record or illustration found that demonstrates how these exquisite vases were made, and in the absence of tooling remnants especially ; we must assume the ancient Egyptians didn't in fact make them, but were simply curators and custodians.
Looking at these precision stone objects gives "Stone Age" a whole new meaning.
This was definitely a detailed video that no matter what level you have understanding Engineering Design Products you can see that there is something wrong with the information we're given...
Excellent as always!
Thankyou!
Excellent work Ben. Some of these precise, delicate pieces are more remarkable and difficult to make than the large artifacts. I've done controls design and programming for modern machine tools that make precision objects out of metal or wood. I think modern technology would be hard pressed to duplicate some of these artifacts, if it could be done at all. Can't help but wonder what volume of wooden objects might have been made by these craftsmen that have long since turned to dust!
Pietre and Dunn's work are the most interesting to me, both are great men in my books.
Hi Ben, I'm a geologist that enjoys your work. Keep going.
Absorbing content as usual Ben, Thank you. We really acknowleďge and appreciate all the hard work you put in to making this all possible. Stay safe....
Aaaand the night just got a helluva lot better. Cheers!. 🍻!
This is excellent. I was so intrigued when I first saw JA West talk about these jars and vessels and exactly how out of place they were.
A video that really is a necessary in-depth look at anomalous artifacts. Thank you.
I have no idea whether they are an inheritance from an earlier advanced culture or proof that the ancient Egyptians had access to technology that orthodox archaeology can't and won't acknowledge, but they are definitely proof that history and pre-history are much more complex than we've been led to believe.
Thank You for doing these vids and pointing out the discontinuity of our actual history, that it Does go back much further than the traditionally invested scientists will presently admit to
Thoroughly enjoyed this, I would love to see these jars in person. Amazing! Actually I find them more spectacular than the larger engineered artifacts because of the greater degree of difficulty entailed in achieving such delicate work.
ANOTHER excellent installment.
Been waiting weeks for this video.
"Renovation" in Egypt = Get in there, remove all the good shit and hide it all from the public. Then toss a mummy down the hole, and everyone will believe its a tomb!
Absolutely love your work, Ben. It is greatly appreciated!
Shhhhh, stop spilling all their secrets to the gullible masses 🙄🤣
So many incredible things are hidden from the masses. I'm sure egyptologists have hidden away the good stuff that might give us clues on how they made these things. And can you imagine the amount of knowledge locked away under the vatican?
@@clownindan imagine how much more was lost during the fire at the Library of Alexandria and how much is "stored" at places like the smithsonian as well 😞
@@SideshowDC the library burning is a true tragedy to humanity and probably set us back 500 to 1000 years. I wonder if the knowledge of building megalithic structures was kept there as that technology was lost at some point. Just in south america the newer repairs always look so shoddy compared to the original stones that were placed. It's as if their skill and technology degraded over the years instead of getting better. That seems to be a theme everywhere.
@@clownindan completely agree, don't forget the mass destruction and eradication of people and knowledge caused by the conquistadors too.
We are a destructive war like species, or at least those who are "in charge" are.
Great channel, Benno !
Your examination of this subject is so in depth, so interesting, just makes for fascinating listening, thank you! Now wish for lots more answers!
Would be tricky to imitate some of them stone vases, even out of wood on a lathe today.
It truly is baffling the things they were able to create out of stone. The precision and degree of difficulty is what boggles my mind. When you have granite boxes that are within a thousandth of an inch from being square it blows holes in the copper hand tools theory. I can create things within that tolerance but it's with the help of computers lasers and ultrasonic cutting tools on a cnc machine.
Yep totally bud, In fact I’d be amazed if anybody could replicate the most difficult looking ones out of wood on a lathe, maybe if you did it in 2 separate pieces and glued them together.
if they did it out of wood with a steel chisel I’d be gob smacked.
Out of some of the hardest stone in the world with copper chisels and not really knowing about the wheel............. no, absolutely noway.
We can’t create things like them vases out of them materials today, otherwise we would be, it’s almost like the creators were showing off, amazing
@@Joe-nq6hy yes, that's been bothering me, too.🤔
@@Joe-nq6hy yes, it’s baffling.
Excellent video Ben! Yes, I totally agree that it is inheritance but what shocked me is the quartz removed from the step pyramid and bulldozed?? How does that happen?
That seemingly impossible and frankly eerie disc thing made from thin hard stone is a mystery to say the least.
In my mind is part of some impressive piece of technology we have lost. Maybe having to do with sound?
So important to understand your revelations .You`re helping us to realise who we are and from whom we are. Is it likely that those directing our "new future " already know.....?
Man, hard to pull myself away from these videos. Seems like everywhere you look in life there's a deep mystery.
As someone who is loosely familiar with modern day machining equipment I could imagine some of these being man powered machines. But somehow they would need to make the drill bits out of super hard stones (most likely diamonds?). Also my guess is that you would have surviving murals existing of these machines because they would have been pretty important.
My point is I could *imagine* man powered precision machining... But the steps to get there from an ancient perspective just indicate we are missing 90% of the picture imo.
You don't need super hard cutting materials for drilling. (not solid, anyway)
For turning, I agree solid diamond or another hard natural material is likely, propably attached to a wooden tool stem.
Abrasive dust from any hard material embedded in the surface of something softer- hollow bones, plant stems, ... works fine to drill almost anything, if you have the dedication and time.
We still do this, when lapping things to incredible surface precision.
My favourite example are the ceramic valve plates used in modern single- lever mixing water taps.
Depictions of tools:
If i remember correctly, there are egyptian stone carvings of a lathe and of a bow- driven drill.
@@nos9784 to maintain their dimensions constant like this you do indeed need " super hard cutting tools"
@@nos9784 and I'm not even gonna discuss how good your tools and knowledge need to be to hold both tools and material in place during the process
@@mudzanin9986 (edit: my comment referred mostly to the shist disk, so it didnwt make too much sense in this context and i deleted it)
Ben, a naive question; has anyone looked at these objects through a microscope to compare their smoothness with modern manufactured vessels? You've made compelling arguments about the precision applied to the Serapeum boxes. But if you could show that, on the micro or nano scale, there's more precision in these objects than in those polished using modern industrial techniques, that would be quite a coup!
There are also objects in this video - the one that looks like an ashtray, for example, and the schist disk, obviously, and even some that appear to have rotational symmetry except for cylinders on two sides - that could not be made on a lathe. If you could compare their micro-features with those produces with a modern CNC machine ... you might have something again ...
Look into Chris Dunn, a manufacturing engineer, who goes over the toolpaths and tolerances the machines required would have. Pretty complicated lathe work and tool holding required.
Oh my god. That part about the tons of machined alabaster being discarded in a ditch just ripped the soul out of me. I don't know what that's all about, but you can bet I'll look it up when I think I can stomach the answers.
Ikr...🥺
What do you mean? That the soft and asymmetrical alabaster is also machined?
@@ksp-crafter5907 At 44:00 Ben says that during the 15 year renovation that 50 to 80 TONS of machined alabaster was brought up from somewhere beneath the Step Pyramid. They piled it up, and then bulldozed into rubble and buried it. They walk around back, and sure enough, they find pieces of finely machined alabaster littering the surface, presumably with the bulk of it crushed and buried. They say there are miles of tunnels and chambers beneath the pyramid with places no one has seen or documented. I've never heard of an alabaster room beneath the Step Pyramid, so, apparently, something we haven't seen has been removed, for whatever reason, and discarded.
@@ksp-crafter5907 some of it is, yes. Not all the alabaster work was dynastic, it was (in my opinion, anyway) also a material used by the precursor civilization. It comes down to the individual pieces.
@@UnchartedX but wouldn't something like that be at least worth documenting? Like a few pictures of what it looked like before it got removed...
I’d like to complement you on your quality and your intellectual out-of-the-box thinking which is what good science is always rooted in... A lot of guys who got their PhD don’t want to have a new narrative introduced... I think you’re coming pretty close to the real answers to most of these questions as a engineer I admire your thought process and respect the way you attack the problem and reverse engineer potential solutions, great job on this video. I’ll give you the highest possible mark!
Pre-flood stuff, for sure. Just mind-blowing.
I've watched this video about four times (and many others of yours) and the main question I have is how did whoever made these jars make them perfectly round (As if made on lathe) with the handles as part of the jars?
Turn the jar, leaving a band of material, then carve the band away, leaving just the handles
What I find even more amazing is that some people actually disliked this video, who isn't in awe of what you have presented here?
Egyptologists
Saqqara is one of my favorite places to research. The 24 boxes in the Serapeum, the most mysterious and spectacular examples of precision machinery.
Agreed. In another conversation somewhere, somebody threw at me that those boxes were simple enough that they polished everything by hand with emery they got from Crete. I don't even have a reply... for real. The mind boggles.
@@Gamerock82 Can't polish contours and cracks by hand. Appears a liquid glaze.
@@Robinhood1966 Not impossible. It certainly would explain how they polished straight across several materials with varying hardness. Some interesting polished surfaces in ancient India bear the same astonishing mirror finish and flatness..
A vase can't be made on a lathe if it has handles or other features on the outside,
which most of them have.
@@Gamerock82 I think that the Egyptians failed attempt to put hieroglyphs on the Box and then polish them prove it wasn't feasible to do this process.
Mille grazie 💖
the bowl fragment at 52:03 has the aspect of an exact replica of a finely woven basket, even more difficult to make than turning a round object on a lathe.
Very fascinating !!
Thank you!
Love your work fella, well researched, well presented and you come across as a lovely lad.
Keep it up dude
They've known for 60 years.. I hope our shared history will soon be revealed to us.
What happened 60years ago?
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In the cabinet at 28:08 is a dish with squared/linear edges…not lathe turned. Walls appear to be tapered and not as thin but still polished beautifully. One we get the bowls and jars figured out, the construction method for that one will be next. 😊. Awesome video! I can’t help but think that the reason they were all stashed deep in the catacombs is because the ancient Egyptians couldn’t fathom how they were made either. Perhaps they discovered the abandoned workshop and needed to hide the evidence of all the finished as well as broken pieces so they had all the remnants moved deep underground to be kept hidden from the population so as to not raise concern about “Gods” potentially returning to collect their “stuff”. Our current (and recent past) gevernments are not the first to keep secrets from the general public.
Good eye! In that same dish, there is a large fragment with 2 perfect 90° edges!
LOL... My sister was really disappointed when she visited the Pyramids of Giza... One, she had to walk stooped over all the way to the center of the pyramid; and Two, "The pharaohs tomb-- that had no tomb, no gold, gems or treasures, and no hieroglyphics on the walls, or even a sargophagus!!" ... LOL I have been sharing with her what I've learned from you, too.
She’d appreciate it much more if she was in Charge of placing the very top stone during the original construction.🤷🏻♂️
What is your sister's response when you show her these videos?
What an fascinating set of ideas and possibilities this raises.
Your channel and the work you put into this research takes my breath away - so grateful - finally somebody is doing it Wow thank you thank you ❤❤👌
Do we have any reasonably solidified idea of when this advanced civilisation was active? Are we talking 15-20k years ago? 20-40k, 100k or what?
Had to have been pre-YD but imagine it must be very difficult to date.
It _is_ possible to date stone that has been quarried from a certain depth and then have been at the surface of something, exposed to radiation from space, since that affects the stone in certain ways. But I think it's extremely expensive. I suppose it could be used on the casing stones of the pyramids to get a rough estimate of when they were quarried at least.
pre-YD and then another partial recovery up until around 6000BCE when another discontinuity happened. In a biblical narrative the latter corresponds to the tower of Babel, the former to Noah's flood. And there were others before that but scant evidence remains
original must be pre-deluvian 12K + years ago, remnants of that one may have survived to 9-8K years ago
i think the dating of 15-20 thousands year is correct , we were told when visiting Egypt in 2020 of tombs with dating of 15,00 around Giza plateau
It's probably been a slow constant.
The Tri-lobed disk is so impossibly fascinating in its existence and it’s hints towards functionality. I made several in 3D print and experimented with it and it is baffling. It seems to have no fluid dynamic push or pull properties, is way too brittle to have rope making/braiding capabilities, and just seems so impractical. I can’t except a decorative vase as it’s explanation. Seeing it in person, it’s larger than expected. Just crazy. Wish I had a window into the past.
I work as an engineer to maintain thermoacoustic refrigeration engines for the industry where waste heat is taken to cool other components. Last year a friend of mine showed me schematics of the Great Pyramid as he is very into the old Egyptians.
I immediately found similarities for components we use for the thermoacoustic heat exchanger. It's weird but the Egyptians must have had very deep knowledge of acoustics and thermodynamics.
I have seen photos of the tri-lobed disc. The material used and the shape could lead to that this disc maybe was used as a sound generating or sound receiving device similar to our modern sound drivers for speakers. Shist has acoustic properties like for example sheet metal. So if your 3D print is made out of platics it won't work but a disc made out of metal should work generating and receiving sound waves when it's vibrating. It's the same principle tuning forks are working.
As long as it's only round objects, that are made that thin, I'm not impressed (OC I am, but what I mean is, that they are obviously "just" made by spinning them and removing material slooooooowly - is my best explaination/guess)
@@WhereIsTheSpartan I'm not saying, that they didn't - but I had the, by far, fastest 50cc moped in the area, when I was a kid. And I barely knew anything about motors - I just kept on changing things, and went back the things, that worked best.. Maybe they understood less, but recalled what worked.. Like what genes do - what works best get reproduced and survives more.
Shits crazy, the people who made this stuff had tools imo... Maybe not electric but some type of machines
Yes the "Schist Disk" is fascinating and I can't imagine any practical use for it other than being mounted on a pole and used as an Umbrella stand. Other than that I've got nothing.
That strange disc-shaped object with the curled up sides has me fascinated as a piece of technology. The closest thing today I have seen is a separator or skimmer for different liquids, like oil and water.
Oh, yes. It must be part of a machine, but it had been made of schist, which is not suitable for force work because it tends to break easily, or so I read. I think that it must be a mimic piece, the original being very hard. In other words, it might be just an ornament, a gift, something like that.
I'm an engineer and I work with acoustic devises for the industry. I'm pretty sure it's an acoustic device and working like a tuning fork. Fluid dynamics and acoustics are pretty similar when it comes to pressure waves in a medium. Maybe that's why it looks like it could have been used for fluids.
@@WhereIsTheSpartan@ Leonidas the Spartan I'm an engineer too (mechanical), and I think you are correct. It doesn't actually look like an oil/water separator.From a mechanical standpoint, I was throwing my hands up, because I really didn't know what it was,
@@WhereIsTheSpartan I like your ideas re the ‘Schist Disk’ having something to do with acoustics. It is clearly not some kind of decorative piece and not only because of it’s eye watering complexity, it’s just obvious (to me anyway) that it is made for a purpose, a tool or part of a tool. A very small piece of a very large puzzle indeed, but I’ve at least once heard put forth the idea that acoustic levitation may have something to do with the way the pyramids were built. Quite frankly, on the “preposterosity scale” I would rate acoustic levitation as a method considerably lower than “some guys with a rope” on how this was done, imo of course. What was that old saying about can’t distinguish adv technology from magic or something? I think this thing qualifies!
@@hardway_6823 I agree that this is not a piece of decoration. People also are thinking that acoustics has something to do with music or you would need some kind of speakers which is not true. Acoustics has something to do with pressure waves of air and has also similarities to aerodynamics.
You can see that the three lobes are shaped like a parabola. That means that an airflow in the center line of one lobe is the fastest which will create a vacuum converging at the center hole. This will increase the airflow in the center hole.
I'm quite certain we can see the backside of a part which was designed to make use of changing air pressure in a specific way. It's a very clever design and you will need mathematical descriptions of aerodynamics and acoustic waves.
another great video. Glad to see you keeping at it!
Another superb upload Ben. Thank you.