Seraph: doing approximately 5 million jobs at once Cielo: applying charge and voiding ailments when he needs to Argilla: I’m just here to pass turns :)
I like that he mentions Aleph, who is so important that versions of Satan remember him throughout the multiverse, and yet Aleph is cursed to be reincarnated in every universe and live completely inconsequential lives.
@@TJ20232 the best experience is still on a good crt tv or use modern tv and max everything and render in an emulator, obv the game is not in its full potential because of ps2 limitations, like 60fps og shadow of collosus
If I had a nickel for every time a SMT game had a talking cat as a supporting character, I'd have about four nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened four times
i can't be the only one that LOVES Mamudoon in the DDS games for how sinister it looks and sounds. many of the spells in the game arguably lack "punch" or "power" to them, but Mamudoon genuinely feels extremely dangerous.
@@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas they really milked out nocturne engine and assets which a def crazy ROI, i think a decade reusing demons, animation and all the stuff until persona 4 golden
Wow, probably the best tactic I've seen. I'm struggling right now with this boss... think I'm going to try your method. Seraph: Dual ring power charge, divine light, salvation, void death, tarukaja, critical?, max critical?, resolution? Cielo: Syncro ring salvation, void charm, makakaja, mind charge, quick cure?, life surge? close call? Argilla: Turn ring human form, quick cure?, life surge? I'm guessing that's your setup more or less.
He's lucky he got two hits on that Divine Light, otherwise he would have healed back to full. I cant imagine fighting Satan with 30,000 HP at Phase 3 with Retribution Retribution Dekaja Temptation is fun.
Fun fact: Even if a repel shield does nothing against the original attacker (i.e. Death Repel back at any boss), it's still more worthwhile than the void equivalent since it STILL instantly ends their turn phase If an enemy who nulls earth casts Tera, setting up Earth Repel over Void Earth makes no difference EXCEPT for draining all the enemy’s press turns rather than two But of course, if an absorb equivalent exists, then it'll do the same thing but also heal, which you can never go wrong with
BuffMaister Here's a fun fact about the satan fight. When you beat him he says the exact same words from his Shin megami tensei 2 fight... Nice reference. Also 15 MINUTES?
You fight him in other games as well? I've only seen his first appearance in Persona series as a summon but that's it. I don't know why he didn't get an entrance in SMT3 Nocturne but did in here.
@@BuffMaister It would have been lame if Satan appeared again in Nocturne considering he plays such a big role in SMT II, Satan also appears in Apocalypse.
Seems like going offensive and end the battle as soon as possible like your strat is a better approach to lessen chances RNGesus wipe out your party. Using dual ring and Power charge + divine light in a turn is a great setup !
Imagine Persona peeps coming into this. Satan: *turn* *turn* Player: well that was harsh but time to he- *turn* Player: wait wha- *TURN* *TURN* *TURN* *TURN* *TURN* *TURN* *TURN* *TURN* *TURNTURNTURNTURNTURNTURNTUUUUUUUUUUUURN* *turn*
@@erockgoblue6295 Give 'em time, it's planted a seed in a lot of players I've seen a lot who have already expanded into the other Personas and seem well on the way to exploring SMT as whole =3
man your strat was pretty solid, I thought you were going to use gale's special skill to deal damage considering how you've been playing so far, and you didnt even use the impel stone!
Multiple starts could be used here, but it's yet another RNG luck Boss. Especially near the end where it has a chance to use Diahran when you can't finish him off around his last 1.5k HP. I've seen starts where they just finish this off in 4 turns with the Impel stone, but that's like locking DF in Red Star.
Dds had the hardest super bosses by far. Idk of it's just the 3 press turns or if it has something to do with the levels you beat the games at but God damn
Correct. When he refers to "that man", he's talking about Aleph, and after he is destroyed, his words are almost word-for-word from SMT2 in the same manner.
@@valletas Shekinah is harder than Mem Aleph and a massive test to the player based on the previous Womb of Grief bosses. All Mem Aleph does is spam AoE elemental damage every turn and then changes her weakness at random. Oh, you don't have Gibo Eyes? Too bad. Probably one of the worst final bosses in the series, and iirc correctly she's only Lv. 76
@@tomatopawah6877 i agree that shekinah is a more interesting boss but i still had fun with mem aleph I beated her on my 4th try with difficult Then i spend 10 hours on shekinah No joking in smt i have a rule to never grind when i cant beat a boss but it was only after i spent 10 hours on shekinah that i decided that rules are meant to be broken sometimes
@@Ludro45 it's so fucking good. I have surpassed many of my limits in the gym to this very song. It's like how it sounds to struggle!!!! But you fight on and anyways! B2 gives me that same sensation.
what's the purpose of having argilla in human form? is it just for the light immunity or is there an even bigger galaxy brain play here that i just can't see.
I'm pretty sure Argilla is here for three reasons 1. Aside from how you build Seraph, Argilla has the highest magic stat in the game and won't get hit by Satan's retribution unless Cielo is down, and depending on how you built Seraph, it would come down to a 50/50 to who would die first 2. Like you said, she nullifies Expel magic which cuts down on Satan's turns (which is required to do in a based luck super boss like this) 3. Her demon form is weak to Zan so having her in her human form removes that weakness, that way you can avoid giving Satan half press turns
Hello, I have a question, ¿Do you think that the Human Form Skill is really necessary to kill Satan? ¿Do you think it's possible to kill him without that skill? The thing is starting a playthrough on Hard mode, finishing it and starting New Game Plus on Hard mode from scratch again just for the Berserker Ring and the Human Form Skill makes me a bit lazy xd
The turn ring is equipped. It's a broken overpowered item... but to get it the player has to beat an optional boss who may or may not be second hardest boss in the game.
@@victarr.7428Shiva can be cheesed - if you have over 800 HP, you can just bruteforce him using just human form by spamming guns, amd Shiva can't exactly kill you from full with Third Eye if you have 800+ HP (just bring Null Nerve to not get Stunned)
Poor sales most likely. Avatar Tuner 1 and 2 combined sold less than SMT3 on its own (not even factoring in the Maniax version or the HD Remaster). AT1 only sold about 150k copies, and 2 was barely 80k, while the original release of SMT3 did about 270k. On the other hand, sales alone don't dictate Atlus' decisions to remake things: Strange Journey sold even worse (only about 127k) but got its 3DS remaster, and Devil Survivor 2 got a remaster despite selling half as many copies as AT1. There's a possibility that it's related to the fact that Atlus contracted a famous author (Yu Godai) to draft the story of the games, but due to illness she had to back out of the project and Atlus' screenwriters had to finish the story from her outline. She went on to publish a series of novels with her version of the story, so there's a possibility that it presents a legal hurdle that they don't want to deal with.
You need someone to be in human form to use charge at the end of each turn, or Satan will literally annihilate your entire party in a single hit after 3 turns.
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Seraph: doing approximately 5 million jobs at once
Cielo: applying charge and voiding ailments when he needs to
Argilla: I’m just here to pass turns :)
half turn fodder
Because the only way to kill Satan is to steal his stats and make him feel shit. Wow.
And because she innately resists Mahamon due to human form so if Satan goes for it they waste a press turn.
I like that he mentions Aleph, who is so important that versions of Satan remember him throughout the multiverse, and yet Aleph is cursed to be reincarnated in every universe and live completely inconsequential lives.
Man the mid 00s SMT games still play and look amazing.
On emulator
@@oxicemusic I still play them on my ps2, and they look great. The only issue is my TV being quite big, it drags the pixels out
@@oxicemusic they look better on tv, especially older ones or a crt
@@oxicemusic played it on ps2 on a 4K tv and it rendered at 1080p no problem, idk what’s wrong with yours lol
@@TJ20232 the best experience is still on a good crt tv or use modern tv and max everything and render in an emulator, obv the game is not in its full potential because of ps2 limitations, like 60fps og shadow of collosus
If I had a nickel for every time a SMT game had a talking cat as a supporting character, I'd have about four nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened four times
🐈
The phineas and ferb reference tho
Gouto, Schrodinger, Morgana and...?
@@fukou_da Goto and Raido I think
@@fukou_da zula
I just noticed that you get Atma points for this battle. This means that they eat Satan!
Digital devil saga is just a jrpg based around vore, of course you'd vore satan
Paul Miller why
@@kaidene573 Cumgestion is faster
@@kaidene573 Better question, why not?
Gotta love how this comment chain progressively gets more cursed
I like how the three bosses that lead up to Satan just disappear when they die, and Satan himself *FUCKING EXPLODES* . It's a cool animation.
Now these two games could really use a remaster now that Nocturne is on the table.
Or at the very least re-releases. A PC port would just be a guaranteed profit for ATLUS lol
All of my yes. A remaster of this duology would be great!
i can't be the only one that LOVES Mamudoon in the DDS games for how sinister it looks and sounds. many of the spells in the game arguably lack "punch" or "power" to them, but Mamudoon genuinely feels extremely dangerous.
I close my eyes and hope It doesnt hit on me
Pls miss pls miss pls miss
*death*
Whyyy
@BigOmegaTV same engine so obviously all spell effects are carryovers
Meanwhile Hama be like: oh no floating paper
@@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas they really milked out nocturne engine and assets which a def crazy ROI, i think a decade reusing demons, animation and all the stuff until persona 4 golden
Wow, probably the best tactic I've seen. I'm struggling right now with this boss... think I'm going to try your method.
Seraph: Dual ring power charge, divine light, salvation, void death, tarukaja, critical?, max critical?, resolution?
Cielo: Syncro ring salvation, void charm, makakaja, mind charge, quick cure?, life surge? close call?
Argilla: Turn ring human form, quick cure?, life surge?
I'm guessing that's your setup more or less.
Yeah, that's about right. You still need to have a lucky run to get through this, and you can also use the stone that gives you extra turns.
You didn't even use that stone. Amazing fight.
He's lucky he got two hits on that Divine Light, otherwise he would have healed back to full. I cant imagine fighting Satan with 30,000 HP at Phase 3 with Retribution Retribution Dekaja Temptation is fun.
Fun fact: Even if a repel shield does nothing against the original attacker (i.e. Death Repel back at any boss), it's still more worthwhile than the void equivalent since it STILL instantly ends their turn phase
If an enemy who nulls earth casts Tera, setting up Earth Repel over Void Earth makes no difference EXCEPT for draining all the enemy’s press turns rather than two
But of course, if an absorb equivalent exists, then it'll do the same thing but also heal, which you can never go wrong with
That seems all well and good...but in DDS, if a unit drains an element, repelled attacks of that element will heal them
BuffMaister
Here's a fun fact about the satan fight.
When you beat him he says the exact same words from his Shin megami tensei 2 fight...
Nice reference. Also 15 MINUTES?
You fight him in other games as well? I've only seen his first appearance in Persona series as a summon but that's it. I don't know why he didn't get an entrance in SMT3 Nocturne but did in here.
He is one of the final bosses before YHVH
Rumia Rumiante
Since in the SMT series he's God Right Man...
@@BuffMaister It would have been lame if Satan appeared again in Nocturne considering he plays such a big role in SMT II, Satan also appears in Apocalypse.
@@Xeper616 but I mean, what about Lucifer?
Ah yes let us eat Satan Himself
Seems like going offensive and end the battle as soon as possible like your strat is a better approach to lessen chances RNGesus wipe out your party.
Using dual ring and Power charge + divine light in a turn is a great setup !
Imagine Persona peeps coming into this.
Satan: *turn* *turn*
Player: well that was harsh but time to he-
*turn*
Player: wait wha-
*TURN* *TURN* *TURN* *TURN* *TURN* *TURN* *TURN* *TURN*
*TURNTURNTURNTURNTURNTURNTUUUUUUUUUUUURN*
*turn*
Hey, not all us Persona peeps are lightweights
I've beat the original SMT, neutral route including Baal Zebul =P
BlueMageDanny we know some of you aren’t it’s mostly the persona 5 fans
@@erockgoblue6295 Give 'em time, it's planted a seed in a lot of players
I've seen a lot who have already expanded into the other Personas and seem well on the way to exploring SMT as whole =3
BlueMageDanny sorry i must’ve forgotten about that thanks for reminding me
@@erockgoblue6295 Also, since I posted that, I'm nearly finished with Soul Hackers! =3
man your strat was pretty solid, I thought you were going to use gale's special skill to deal damage considering how you've been playing so far, and you didnt even use the impel stone!
Multiple starts could be used here, but it's yet another RNG luck Boss. Especially near the end where it has a chance to use Diahran when you can't finish him off around his last 1.5k HP.
I've seen starts where they just finish this off in 4 turns with the Impel stone, but that's like locking DF in Red Star.
Thanks for the party setup, managed to beat Satan yesterday after 8 attempts where i didn’t get mamudoon’d or vanity for charm on an important turn
It’s cool that after almost 20 years he became a super boss in a major megaten game again
Am I seeing things, or is Satan "firing his laser" for lack of a better term out of his eyes as he dies?
Our favorite Angel,six tiddy scooby doo monster
Poor Cielo, he's always the one eating Retribution in this fight.
James Staton
Eh someone gotta be constantly taking one for the team...
Retribution basically says "delete whoever has the lowest magic stat", so...
@@apocalfailed8090 😴 lul
Retribution: 100% chance of instant-death against comic relief characters.
@@ivanlagrana878 That's f*cked up!
NOT TODAY SATAN!!!
Dds had the hardest super bosses by far. Idk of it's just the 3 press turns or if it has something to do with the levels you beat the games at but God damn
Dayum, 15 minutes!?
SOmeone killed Satan in just 2 turns. 2 TURNS!!
@@jaderabbit898 I've only seen the 3 Turn. That sounds nuts.
@@manuelmateo3392 ruclips.net/video/6Z25gEdBJ60/видео.html
Nuff said.
Its crazy dawg
0:14 sorry to ask but what is this song's name?
tandebing paposma Epic battle prelude
Hunting Betrayal
so from what I can tell, this is probably Zayin himself if he’s referencing SMT2 in the battle dialogue correct?
Correct. When he refers to "that man", he's talking about Aleph, and after he is destroyed, his words are almost word-for-word from SMT2 in the same manner.
This feels like they wanted to one up Demi-Fiend in DDS1 with these insane abilities, negating passive abilities and a complete party wipe? Nah mate
Harder than Lucifer in Nocturne or Mem Aleph
Well he is a super bonus boss so yes. He's ment to be hard
Mem Aleph isn't hard, just annoying
@@tomatopawah6877hard disagree though i found root shekinah to be way harder
@@valletas Shekinah is harder than Mem Aleph and a massive test to the player based on the previous Womb of Grief bosses.
All Mem Aleph does is spam AoE elemental damage every turn and then changes her weakness at random. Oh, you don't have Gibo Eyes? Too bad.
Probably one of the worst final bosses in the series, and iirc correctly she's only Lv. 76
@@tomatopawah6877 i agree that shekinah is a more interesting boss but i still had fun with mem aleph
I beated her on my 4th try with difficult
Then i spend 10 hours on shekinah
No joking in smt i have a rule to never grind when i cant beat a boss but it was only after i spent 10 hours on shekinah that i decided that rules are meant to be broken sometimes
Jogo lindo jogo maravilhoso :)
Esse jogo é incrível mesmo
Um remaster dos dois pro ps4 seria uma benção de YHVH ^_^
Eu e meus manos virando demônios e fazendo vore
When everyone keeps evading mamudoon even without the anti-death shield up, that's just luck? (Literal luck, not the stat.) Or is it good stats?
RNG luck does nothing
What's the song that plays outside the fight?
I found it.
It's call "Nirvana ".
Thanks
Anybody knows the music for this battle?
Hunting Betrayal.
Hooked On A Feeling Thank you kind Stranger
@@Ludro45 it's so fucking good. I have surpassed many of my limits in the gym to this very song. It's like how it sounds to struggle!!!! But you fight on and anyways! B2 gives me that same sensation.
what's the purpose of having argilla in human form? is it just for the light immunity or is there an even bigger galaxy brain play here that i just can't see.
I'm pretty sure Argilla is here for three reasons
1. Aside from how you build Seraph, Argilla has the highest magic stat in the game and won't get hit by Satan's retribution unless Cielo is down, and depending on how you built Seraph, it would come down to a 50/50 to who would die first
2. Like you said, she nullifies Expel magic which cuts down on Satan's turns (which is required to do in a based luck super boss like this)
3. Her demon form is weak to Zan so having her in her human form removes that weakness, that way you can avoid giving Satan half press turns
👋🏽
Does anyone know what builds he used for everyone? It’s definitely not the same as the strat im using, so im very curious
Ashly graham likes snake from metal gear solid.
And ?
Will we ever get rpgs as incredible and deep as DDS again?
Yes
DDS was mid af
the guy above me said the biggest bs ever
@@Junpeidaman190 he might have been influenced by a cock in his mouth
@@jojomicheldu59 nah.
Hello, I have a question, ¿Do you think that the Human Form Skill is really necessary to kill Satan? ¿Do you think it's possible to kill him without that skill? The thing is starting a playthrough on Hard mode, finishing it and starting New Game Plus on Hard mode from scratch again just for the Berserker Ring and the Human Form Skill makes me a bit lazy xd
You don't have to have the Human Form skill, just use that first turn to revert them to human form and that's it.
@@twilight684 Ok, thanks
Nope, but you can make him waste turn cause the human form is inmune to hama skills
I just realized that seraph has 2 press turns lol
That's because someone in the party has the Turn Ring equipped which gives you an extra turn icon in battles.
How do you get the 4th turn icon? Thanks.
The turn ring is equipped. It's a broken overpowered item... but to get it the player has to beat an optional boss who may or may not be second hardest boss in the game.
@@victarr.7428 are you talking about Meganada?
No, the Turn Ring is from an optional boss.
It's from beating shiva in one of the 2 rooms before the meganada boss fight
@@victarr.7428Shiva can be cheesed - if you have over 800 HP, you can just bruteforce him using just human form by spamming guns, amd Shiva can't exactly kill you from full with Third Eye if you have 800+ HP (just bring Null Nerve to not get Stunned)
Wait, this is made on same engine as Nocturne, I mean it certainly looks like Nocturne... Why they didn't remaster these games too?
I think it's cause DDS is one of their lesser popular games + Why remaster DDS when you can make bank off of 50 Persona 4 or 5 spin offs?
Not popular enough
Poor sales most likely. Avatar Tuner 1 and 2 combined sold less than SMT3 on its own (not even factoring in the Maniax version or the HD Remaster). AT1 only sold about 150k copies, and 2 was barely 80k, while the original release of SMT3 did about 270k. On the other hand, sales alone don't dictate Atlus' decisions to remake things: Strange Journey sold even worse (only about 127k) but got its 3DS remaster, and Devil Survivor 2 got a remaster despite selling half as many copies as AT1.
There's a possibility that it's related to the fact that Atlus contracted a famous author (Yu Godai) to draft the story of the games, but due to illness she had to back out of the project and Atlus' screenwriters had to finish the story from her outline. She went on to publish a series of novels with her version of the story, so there's a possibility that it presents a legal hurdle that they don't want to deal with.
That seems way harder than nocturne
It is
Remember you fought Demi Fiend here with whopping large huge HP of his. That battle almost took an hour
Why Argilla is in human form?
Because in the human form she is immune to mahamoan
plus her demon form is weak to zan.
Also she looks pretty, so that can help
You need someone to be in human form to use charge at the end of each turn, or Satan will literally annihilate your entire party in a single hit after 3 turns.
@@user-us7ri5us9fwhat the?! Thats so unfair!!
you might not remember, but how did you grind for this boss?
Why are there 4 press turn blocks?
Accessory, don't know which one but you could always look it up
Turn Ring, I think
An item called Turn Ring, you get it from defeating Shiva
*sees [HARD] in the title*
My brother in all things, you can ONLY fight this man on hard. there's literally no point to pointing that out in the title
Second cycle or first cycle ?
What?
@@Kira22558He asks if NG+ was used. It was, because Argilla had the Human Form passive equipped
...Zayin?
Not him
Unless he say something about aleph
@@fuckingking6796 this clearly zayin
@@fuckingking6796Yup, it is him. When he says "that man", he means Aleph
@@fuckingking6796it is him. he’s referencing SMT2
Satan and the Archangels are from SMT2. they all reference SMT2’s events
PERSONAAAAAAA
Why heat is 52 level :D now serph is stronger than him
Jones Joseph Moore Ruth Young Kenneth
Hey they stole satan from Persona
This design of him was used for most of the megami tensei games as well
I used to think that but I now know
Please tell me this is a joke
@@jackour8167 Nope, it isn’t.
@@donaldmerritt1861 actually nocturne is a really good game